How to send emails in bulk which are not opted in?

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Hey guys,

I am fairly new in email marketing. I am looking for ways and suggestions on how to send around 10,000 emails at once? I do not have optin for those emails, but I do need to send same content to them.

So how to do it to deliver them ? It's not spammy offer. Email I will send them is laser targeted to its recipients, so there is no relevant reason why they should mark it as spam, because it's not spam. But I never received an optin for those emails, as I am scraping them. The email I will send them has no link inside, no attachment, just a few word text which looks just like a regular email, which I could send them one by one.

What about software like sendy.co ? If I import those emails and send them, do they deliver or fall to spam folder? Why they would fall to spam, or not deliver at all? Or is it just better to send them manually one by one from my email client?

Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
    Is email spam?

    If it is sent in bulk, unsolicited and commercial in nature, it is spam. Simple as that.

    There are places that might let you get away with sending batches like that once or twice, but I wouldn't count on it being a long term strategy.
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    • Profile picture of the author longhotsummer
      Once your email marketing provider receives the inevitable and numerous complaints arising from spamming a large list like 10k, your account will likely be closed.

      One way is to do it yourself via gmail, which is fairly tolerant. I seem to recall that up to 500 Bccs may be added to a single sent email. 419 Scammers use it to 'Mail Bomb' the world their formats, often with a different 'Reply To' address, since the outgoing address may be closed at any time and without notice.

      Still, you will be spamming and I'd guess that most of us here would not support that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Neurropatic
    It's weird how everyone keeps telling me that it is spam, but nobody exactly answers my question. And I posted this on other forums too.

    The thing is, I have a list of businesses which I build myself, and I want to work with them. I have something I can do for them, and they have something they can do for me. I did it earlier manually and most of them replied me back. Thats why I am looking at ways how to simplify process for me, so I do not have to send them manually one by one, since every email is with same content.

    I am not supporting spam at all too. But what is spam then? On my other business, I have a regular list of subscribers who subscribed on my blog with double optin, and sending them classic newsletter with new posts every week without any ad. But everytime new newsletter is sent, a few people mark it as a spam. Even when they double opted in for receiving those emails. So, is it spam too? I don't think so.

    But I would like to get back to my question. How to send those emails to deliver them in recipients inbox safely? I do not need to send them all at once. It can be even only 1000 per day, but I do not want to risk they will fall to spam folder, and recipients will never have a chance to read it.

    PS. sorry guys for my poor english.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
    The reason you are not getting a good answer is that the choices available to send unsolicited, bulk commercial email safely have dwindled to pretty much nothing.

    You either have to do it yourself and suffer a poor deliverability rate, or do it the way the mailing services want you to do it which is to build your lists of optins organically by offering something of value.

    You are not going to get any company (that I am aware of) that will be able to accomplish both deliverability and permission for what you want to do.

    Time to rethink your strategy.
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    • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
      Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

      The reason you are not getting a good answer is that the choices available to send unsolicited, bulk commercial email safely have dwindled to pretty much nothing.
      There are plenty of platforms that can help you accomplish this. These sweeping generalizations are simply untrue. Hit me up in private and I can introduce you to some people who can help you out.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
        Originally Posted by ProducerK View Post

        There are plenty of platforms that can help you accomplish this. These sweeping generalizations are simply untrue. Hit me up in private and I can introduce you to some people who can help you out.
        Please, share with the group.

        As I said in my first email, you may find a few places that will do it at first.

        But what happens when too many people start hitting the spam button?
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        • Profile picture of the author Neurropatic
          Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

          Please, share with the group.

          As I said in my first email, you may find a few places that will do it at first.

          But what happens when too many people start hitting the spam button?
          Thanks for your replies. I think not too many people will hit spam button, because email will be personalized and targeted to right people. But I need to deliver those emails one time in bulk. So even in case that provider would block my account to send more, its not big problem, because I will not send them anything in bulk again. I need to contact them one time, and then comunicate with them individally once they reply to me. But as I said in previous posts. I am afraid that email will fall in spam or junk folder, earlier than they will read it. Thats why I am looking for best solution how to deliver those emails without risk of small deliverability rate.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
            Originally Posted by Neurropatic View Post

            Thanks for your replies. I think not too many people will hit spam button, because email will be personalized and targeted to right people. But I need to deliver those emails one time in bulk. So even in case that provider would block my account to send more, its not big problem, because I will not send them anything in bulk again. I need to contact them one time, and then comunicate with them individally once they reply to me. But as I said in previous posts. I am afraid that email will fall in spam or junk folder, earlier than they will read it. Thats why I am looking for best solution how to deliver those emails without risk of small deliverability rate.
            Do you realize how deluded this all sounds?

            You are trying to spam, without your messages falling in spam folders.

            Who is smarter, you or Google?
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              Emails are scraped from yellow pages, and other places on internet
              ...but you aren't sending spam....? Technically, if you are emailing businesses it might not meet the definition of spam but no reputable autoresponder is going to allow you to scrape emails and send thousands of unsolicited emails. If you find an A/R that does allow it - their emails likely end up in spam folders.


              Jack -
              Best to leave him to the one person who said "PM me - I can help"....Some people don't believe the truth until they run headlong into it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
            Originally Posted by Neurropatic View Post

            Thanks for your replies. I think not too many people will hit spam button, because email will be personalized and targeted to right people. But I need to deliver those emails one time in bulk. So even in case that provider would block my account to send more, its not big problem, because I will not send them anything in bulk again. I need to contact them one time, and then comunicate with them individally once they reply to me. But as I said in previous posts. I am afraid that email will fall in spam or junk folder, earlier than they will read it. Thats why I am looking for best solution how to deliver those emails without risk of small deliverability rate.


            I have to add this... if you know anything about marketing, you know that one communication is not enough to break through with your message. It takes multiple attempts, preferably through a variety of media, to start getting any traction on any particular effort. I don't care if you are selling water in a drought. Nobody makes a viable impact with a single email.

            You have a lot of work to do. Even if you can find someone to send this broadcast for you, it is not going to be the magic bullet you are expecting.

            Slow down, back up, recalibrate.

            (I know you won't, you are obviously married to this idea. But when it fails, hopefully you'll come back here and listen to what people are trying to tell you)
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  • Profile picture of the author bobby_shahzad
    Before sending emails to 10K lists, you have to make sure it does not contain any bad email addresses. If you clean your list from bad addresses you are probably going to get better results than sending a blind emails to all 10k.
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    • Profile picture of the author Neurropatic
      Originally Posted by bobby_shahzad View Post

      Before sending emails to 10K lists, you have to make sure it does not contain any bad email addresses. If you clean your list from bad addresses you are probably going to get better results than sending a blind emails to all 10k.
      I already did it. Emails are scraped from yellow pages, and other places on internet, but every contact is manually checked, so I believe the list is already good. But I am afraid if those emails will deliver into inbox, and will do not fall to spam folder.
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  • Profile picture of the author Granulr
    This has crash and burn written all over it - One way to give your company bad rep with unsolicited SPAM emails :S
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    • Profile picture of the author SEOexpertSEO
      That is very illegal in the US and many other countries. Even if you country allows it, you will probably piss somebody off enough that they talk bad about your company on the internet (yelp, ripoffreport, ect)
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  • Profile picture of the author Haroldimpaibive
    I am trying to determine the device that sent emails from a Microsoft Exchange account. I have the email headers but because the emails are coming through a Microsoft Exchange account the Originating IP address is the same for each device.
    Does anyone know if there is another way of finding out which type of device sent an email? Any information would be helpful and/or is there a tutorial or website that anyone could recommend?

    Thanks very much,

    neo1234
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  • Profile picture of the author kingdatas
    Before you send, you need clean the bad address, you can using Email Worker to clean it.
    For email sender software you can have a try Bulk EDM Chef
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  • Profile picture of the author sagwa02
    are you sending "SEO Proposal" emails? lol
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  • Profile picture of the author OTrap
    SMH ...

    Originally Posted by Neurropatic View Post

    Emails are scraped from yellow pages, and other places on internet, but every contact is manually checked, so I believe the list is already good.
    If they're scraped ... from ANYWHERE ... then they fit the CAN-SPAM definition of 'spam'.

    There's a lot of misinformation about what is legally defined as spam floating about the Internet. If we're looking at US law, then technically, sending bulk email that is unsolicited is legal as long as it follows a few other guidelines.
    - It cannot be adult-related.
    - The sending cannot be done via "dictionary sending" (nobody really does this anymore, but it's still part of the law).
    - The leads cannot have previously opted out or requested that you not send to them.
    - The emails must contain a viable and prompt way for the lead to remove themselves (ie, unsubscribe).
    - The emails must contain a legitimate physical address.
    - The emails must come from real email addresses.
    - The email subject line must not be deceptive.
    - The email copy must not be deceptive.
    - The links within the email must go to safe pages.
    - And for our purposes here, THE EMAIL ADDRESSES MAY NOT BE SCRAPED.

    There is no way in which you may violate any of the above without sending spam. If you violate any of the aforementioned rules, it's spam. Period.

    There are probably others I'm forgetting as well. Those were just off the top of my head.

    Originally Posted by Neurropatic View Post

    But I am afraid if those emails will deliver into inbox, and will do not fall to spam folder.
    Frankly put, the spam folder is where it belongs.
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  • Profile picture of the author kazimuhith
    You can use auto-responder services like aweber or getresponse. They will allow you to send bulk emails and help you with the spam score as well .
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  • Profile picture of the author viewvital
    The best software you can use is Fast Mailer It’s very fast to send bulk emails. The thing that you have to provide is
    smtp. You can get smtp from your own hosting ( best on PVS or dedicated server), And if you want to rotate IPs you can also use PowerMTA. Iam sure all your emails would be sent to inbox (not spam folder)
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