Help. Big lists but no sales.

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I have amassed about 14,000 subscribers in 5 different niches in under 9 months. I easily get between 80-120 new subscribers per day over the 5 niches. Nobody buys anything from me ever and I use the email swipes from the biggest offers online. I should easily be making over $100 a day and I can't even make that a week. I have no idea why I am promoting the offers on clickbank and making nothing using their swipes. Looking for someone to help me out. Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
    hey there you seem to be doing well and getting a lot of subscribers!


    However, what a lot of us marketers are finding is CB is not converting well now especially through email.


    The product has to be super perfect to even make a few sales!


    What are your open rates?


    What is your product sales to help emails?
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      open rates for my biggest list is 54% first email, 34% 2nd email, 32% third, 29%, 4th 28% 5th 26% then drop down from there.
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
    Well your open rate are better than most people!


    So, your problem lies in your email copy


    or your not matching what people signed up for!


    Please tell me your funnel....
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      i have an interesting way of how i am getting most my subscribers. i use instagram and i have them text a certain phrase to a 5 digit code that adds them to my email list if they are interested in secrets to igniting their metabolism (weight loss). i either send them a free report on losing weight and jumpstarting their metabolism or a nutrition ebook on losing weight if they signed up threw a landing page. my emails sent out then promote weight loss products and give weight loss tips. i have read and watched almost every list building/email course i can find and it seems i am doing everything right. i am so frustrated.

      they say a subscriber is worth $1 a month. mine are worth .05 cent a month.
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      • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
        *(This is my 2nd email to them the day after they sign up)

        Hi

        Over the next few days I'll be sending you a lot of important
        information to help you win the war against your weight, so
        be sure to check your inbox every day and to mark my
        messages as 'important'.

        Before we get started in earnest, though, I want you to do
        something for me – and it's the hardest thing I'm EVER
        going to ask you to do.

        I want you to think about WHY you want to lose weight. Really
        think long and hard about this one. What makes you want to
        lose weight? What's your main motivator?

        Is it because you don't like the reflection you see when you
        look in the mirror?

        Is it because people give you a hard time for being overweight?

        Do you have a closet full of clothes that no longer fit?

        Are you in danger of developing (or have you already developed)
        diabetes?

        Has your doctor told you you'd better lose X lbs PDQ
        (pretty darn quickly) or you'll drop dead from a heart attack?

        Is there some other reason?

        Think of the REAL reason – not some superfluous one like:
        “I'm going to a wedding and I want to look good in the pictures.”

        What's your LONG-TERM motivation for losing the weight and
        keeping it off? This is not an easy question to answer, but you
        MUST do it before you begin your weight loss program.

        Why?

        Because this is going to be your MOTIVATION to lose the
        weight. This the BENEFIT that's going to make all the hardship
        worthwhile – your GOAL if you like.

        Oh yes: It must be something YOU want. Losing weight is
        something you must want to do for yourself.

        When you've decided on the REAL reason, write it down and
        display it prominently – the door of your refrigerator is a good
        place. Look at it every day. This will help you to stay focused.

        Once you've done that, get a head start by downloading my
        fact-filled “Losing to Win” guide, click here, and start building
        a slimmer tomorrow, today.

        Talk soon,
        Kim Reynolds

        PS.* I've another important question to ask you tomorrow.
        Be sure to check your inbox then.
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        • Profile picture of the author bluemotion
          Originally Posted by soutthills01 View Post

          *(This is my 2nd email to them the day after they sign up)

          Hi

          Over the next few days I'll be sending you a lot of important
          information to help you win the war against your weight, so
          be sure to check your inbox every day and to mark my
          messages as 'important'.

          Before we get started in earnest, though, I want you to do
          something for me – and it's the hardest thing I'm EVER
          going to ask you to do.

          I want you to think about WHY you want to lose weight. Really
          think long and hard about this one. What makes you want to
          lose weight? What's your main motivator?

          Is it because you don't like the reflection you see when you
          look in the mirror?

          Is it because people give you a hard time for being overweight?

          Do you have a closet full of clothes that no longer fit?

          Are you in danger of developing (or have you already developed)
          diabetes?

          Has your doctor told you you'd better lose X lbs PDQ
          (pretty darn quickly) or you'll drop dead from a heart attack?

          Is there some other reason?

          Think of the REAL reason – not some superfluous one like:
          “I'm going to a wedding and I want to look good in the pictures.”

          What's your LONG-TERM motivation for losing the weight and
          keeping it off? This is not an easy question to answer, but you
          MUST do it before you begin your weight loss program.

          Why?

          Because this is going to be your MOTIVATION to lose the
          weight. This the BENEFIT that's going to make all the hardship
          worthwhile – your GOAL if you like.

          Oh yes: It must be something YOU want. Losing weight is
          something you must want to do for yourself.

          When you've decided on the REAL reason, write it down and
          display it prominently – the door of your refrigerator is a good
          place. Look at it every day. This will help you to stay focused.

          Once you've done that, get a head start by downloading my
          fact-filled “Losing to Win” guide, click here, and start building
          a slimmer tomorrow, today.

          Talk soon,
          Kim Reynolds

          PS.* I've another important question to ask you tomorrow.
          Be sure to check your inbox then.
          Don't ask your subscribers to do the work for themselves. As much as they may want to lose weight, they won't do it. Your email should tell them the benefits they would gain by buying product A.

          "Just think how you are going to look in ? weeks time if you choose to buy ?,
          You are going to look younger, feel healthier, be more confident in beach wear, be more attractive to the opposite sex, have more energy etc etc"

          You get the point?
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      • Profile picture of the author rimpy86
        Originally Posted by soutthills01 View Post

        i have an interesting way of how i am getting most my subscribers. i use instagram and i have them text a certain phrase to a 5 digit code that adds them to my email list if they are interested in secrets to igniting their metabolism (weight loss). i either send them a free report on losing weight and jumpstarting their metabolism or a nutrition ebook on losing weight if they signed up threw a landing page. my emails sent out then promote weight loss products and give weight loss tips. i have read and watched almost every list building/email course i can find and it seems i am doing everything right. i am so frustrated.

        they say a subscriber is worth $1 a month. mine are worth .05 cent a month.
        Hey soutthills01,

        Could you share your way of getting subscribers to email list in more detail if you dont' mind. I would love to learn and grow my list as well.

        Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
          if i am not making anemone from the way i am doing it you may as well not even try it to be honest
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
    Ok that's very good but I can tell you right now what your doing wrong!
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
    You are targeting a market, you need to target a niche within a market and be super relevant!


    Ok so the


    market is weight loss


    but choose a niche for example women looking for six pack abs


    or men over 30 looking for creatine pills.


    Then your lead magnet and offer can all match up and be relevant.


    this way you will match the message to market a lot better and make sales!


    and also if your using generic swipe your conversions will be low


    you need to be unique and market from a different perpective!
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      i actually have another list where i get women to sign up looking for a flatter tummy. i then send emails related to click bank offers for six pack abs and women fitness. that still does not convert at all.
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      i have other lists too such as dog training, paleo diet, smoothies and men looking to build bigger arms. i then send relevant click bank offers to those subscribers. no sales. so i do niche but it still does not work for me
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
    ok well you have a good start but then your email copy is not converting!
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
    Send a sample of one of your emails and then I can help you more! if ya want
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  • Profile picture of the author zerofatzreturns
    Shaun is right man. You need to segment that list.
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
    ok see here my feedback:


    • this is way too many questions!
    • Think of the REAL reason - not some superfluous one like:
      "I'm going to a wedding and I want to look good in the pictures." They would have already thought of a reason before they even looked, you don't need this.
    • It's too long, don't write 1 or 2 lines but this is too much.
    Your doing well with:


    1. creating suspense for the next email!
    2. your trying to be personal
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      none of my emails in any of my niches work though. even using the swipe copies they give you. i just don't understand how i can have a 14,000 person list and not make enough to even put gas in my car. just so frustrated especially with my first few emails having an open rate over 25%
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
    Your email swipe is the problem!
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      any idea how i can get better swipes? i am no copyrighter and am pretty new to email marketing. i just found out an easy way to get subscribers which should be the hard part right?
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
    Yeah your doing great getting them!


    The hard part though is the swipe for most people!!


    You need to:


    • provide free value and goodwill
    • write as though their the only person your talking too.
    • recommend don't sell
    • Use the ratio of 3 free value emails to one paid email or even more!
    • Don't mail so often not everyday
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      the big guys say email daily and offer value but give them a link in every email to click and buy. i just hear so many different opinions I'm lost. i can't write for crap. i know nothing about anything when it comes to weight loss. email copy writing is an art. i am not writer. any idea where i could find someone to write great emails?
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  • Profile picture of the author shaunybb
    You can only email links every time when you have built a relationship with your followers!


    Yes at first you can email everyday, but then NO!


    You could go on odesk or free lancer!


    or even here in warriors for hire


    Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Whisonant
    You keep saying you can't write. Well you have made several posts in this thread and guess what? It sure looks like you can write fine.

    Keep the emails short and sweet. The purpose of the email is to get them to click a link. Get the reader off your email and onto a web page as fast as possible.

    When people are reading emails they are in... Let's get the inbox empty as fast as I can mode.

    Get them to a web page where they move into a... Let's actually read this mode.

    Hope that made sense.

    And yes it seems you sure can write. Just use conversational writing in your emails.

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  • Profile picture of the author guideusonline
    Sorry dude I have no idea but the click bank is best affiliated program.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hearn
    Have you tested something different that CB?

    Do you track URLs inside emails to see if they click? This is quite important.

    If you get clicks start a solo ad service .

    But yeah, I would try different offers, even Amazon. Also you might find related products and contact the creators and either propose them a paid promotion or ask for an affiliate link. Or create your own website and dropship from Amazon or China.
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      my click thru rate is like .01 % or less. i could never make money selling clicks.
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  • Profile picture of the author HarrisAndrea
    In my opinion, the problem is on the email swipes. Especially the ones provided by the vendor of the CB product. Probably your email list has seen the same email many times before, so try to be original.
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  • Profile picture of the author PhillipsHayden
    I would also like to suggest you to change the way you write your emails. Incorporate an exciting email subject line, followed short and crisp email body. Add attractive templates and at last add a click to action button in your emails that will take your subscribers to the website page.
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  • Profile picture of the author mabeltan
    Hey there! I can see that you already have a base for your internet marketing business. To be honest, I had the exact same problem as you when i first started out. I created my own blog, i created free ebook giveaways,posted on forums, optimized for Google, but i just cant seem to get buyers instead i get LOADS of freebies who were there just for the free stuff. And that is when i came across paid advertisements. Paid advertisements is one of the most effective ways to get traffic very quickly.

    But do note that there is a huge difference in normal traffic and QUALITY traffic when you are doing internet marketing. For myself, Facebook Ads and buying Solo Ads are my favorite ways of getting quality traffic in the quickest time.

    1. Facebook Ads

    As you know, Facebook do have a large pool of audiences. But not only that, they have a large pool of data of their audiences as well. Therefore, it is especially for useful internet marketers when it comes to selecting QUALITY leads by targeting different audience with the demographics they provide in Facebook.

    2. Solo Ads

    Another way which is my number 1 favorite, is buying Solo Ads. Solo Ads is basically sold on a per click basis. It is basically paying someone (an already successful internet marketer who already has a huge list) to send out an email to their list advertising your offer based on your selected niche you are currently doing. One of my favorite sites that I like to use to buy solo ads is through Udimi. It is something like a network and everything on this site has a feedback (something like eBay) to make sure you don't get ripped off from their previous buyers.

    I have seen a huge improvement in my internet marketing business once I have used these tools to get traffic! Do not rely solely on free traffic because i can tell you truthfully here that you most likely would not get your ideal result in the time frame that you want. And this method is much more cost effective if you were to compare it with Google PPC where you are basically paying for potential customers to click on your ads. The concept here is the same but the difference is the QUALITY of audience that you are getting. You are literally targeting people who have already have their cards ready in their hands, someone who is willing to pay the price for something good.

    Hope this works for you! Let me know. Cheers!
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      thanks for the very detailed answer. i just don't have enough confidence in my email swipes to pay anything for clicks. i think i would just be throwing money away or all those ppl on those email lists have already seen those clickbank offers 20 times already you know...
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  • Profile picture of the author Cris Carabeo
    Or maybe try to find something new like in ads....
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  • Profile picture of the author 4hdddd
    You need to check your email script. You need to nurse your list. You need to understand what your subscribers are interested in and what they really wants. Just give them what they wants and you will make money.
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  • Profile picture of the author ft118
    Can you see who clicked but didn't buy? Email them directly and ask them this:

    "I saw that you clicked on the link to X product, but didn't buy. Just curious, what stopped you from buying?"

    Ask this to everyone that clicks and didn't buy.

    Start answering these objections in your emails.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Walker
      Originally Posted by ft118 View Post

      Can you see who clicked but didn't buy? Email them directly and ask them this:

      "I saw that you clicked on the link to X product, but didn't buy. Just curious, what stopped you from buying?"

      Ask this to everyone that clicks and didn't buy.

      Start answering these objections in your emails.
      OK! But how can you know who has bought from your link? As when a person click on the link they will be in vendor list, not your list.
      I am eager to learn about this.
      Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
        Originally Posted by Paul Walker View Post

        OK! But how can you know who has bought from your link? As when a person click on the link they will be in vendor list, not your list.
        I am eager to learn about this.
        Thanks!
        I've posted about this before.

        If the platform that you are using has a postback option (which most do) you can use it to get the email address of who converted.

        I promote a lot of CPA offers and the most popular platform would be CAKE.

        So in the offer url you have s1=&s2=&s3=, so in s2 you would add s2=emailaddress.

        Where emailaddress is, you need to replace it with the token that your ESP/program that you send mail with uses for the emailadress of the user when the message is sent.

        So for example with getresponse, you would use s2=[[email]] and getreposnse would replace [[email]] with the users email address

        So when the message is sent it would be s2=user@domain.com

        Then you would set up a postback script and specify it in the platform, so that each time a conversion happens, they send you the S2 info. Something like...http://somedomain.com/postback.php?somefieldname=#s2#

        Where #s2# is, the network returns what you had for s2, which was the email address, what was entered in place of [[email]]....user@domain.com

        Each platform is going to be slightly different, but as long as they have the ability that you can enter in the email, you can have it posted back when a conversion happens.

        Instead of using a script you can also do it with third party tracking software.
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        • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
          i didn't understand any of that unfortunately
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  • Not all subscribers are of the same quality. Could be a problem with how you're generating the leads, such as where the traffic is coming from and why they are opting in in the first place. I'd rather get 10 leads with intention to buy something than 100 leads opting in to get a free doodad.
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      i agree but you'd think 1 out of 100 would buy something per day. nope
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      i really can't control who signs up to my list and who doesn't i just don't understand how I can get at least 100 sign ups a day and nobody buys anything. I am probably getting more signups per day than 90% of novice email marketers and I can't get any of them to buy. So frustrating.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rob Whisonant
        Originally Posted by soutthills01 View Post

        i really can't control who signs up to my list and who doesn't i just don't understand how I can get at least 100 sign ups a day and nobody buys anything. I am probably getting more signups per day than 90% of novice email marketers and I can't get any of them to buy. So frustrating.
        There are a lot of good recommendations in this thread. What ones mentioned above have you tried so far?

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        • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
          I hired a copyrighter on here who has great reviews and says he's responsible for righting millions of dollars in profit pulling emails to write 5 emails to send to new subscribers for one of my weight loss lists so I am going to try that and if a million dollar copyrighter can't get my new subscribers to convert I am not sure anything will.
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          • Profile picture of the author Rob Whisonant
            Originally Posted by soutthills01 View Post

            I hired a copyrighter on here who has great reviews and says he's responsible for righting millions of dollars in profit pulling emails to write 5 emails to send to new subscribers for one of my weight loss lists so I am going to try that and if a million dollar copyrighter can't get my new subscribers to convert I am not sure anything will.
            You seem to be still missing something. You are NOT building a relationship with your email subscribers. Without the relationship you will be lucky to get a random sale here and there.

            Why should they trust you?
            Do they know who you are and what you are about?
            Have you told your subscribers your story?
            Why are you the expert they should listen to and buy from?

            What actionable content are you giving them for free in each email to get them to want to open and read your emails?

            Just sending out sales emails does not cut it these days.

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            • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
              I use an alias in my emails. I am male and my pen name/alias is female. One of my lists is about weight loss for women. I know nothing about weight loss since I am actually trying to gain weight. I am no expert and do not have a woman's point of view. I do not have a story to tell them. Maybe that is my problem. I do however know that probably 95% of the people that do email marketing in the weight loss niche probably also know nothing about losing weight. They swipe articles or other email swipes or get a copyrighter. They are in the game to promote affiliate offers and make money.

              From what I have read about email and affiliate marketing in the many books and websites I have visited, the guys that make the most money promote things they know nothing about, like dog training, weight loss and body building.
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              • Profile picture of the author Rob Whisonant
                Originally Posted by soutthills01 View Post

                I use an alias in my emails. I am male and my pen name/alias is female. One of my lists is about weight loss for women. I know nothing about weight loss since I am actually trying to gain weight. I am no expert and do not have a woman's point of view. I do not have a story to tell them. Maybe that is my problem. I do however know that probably 95% of the people that do email marketing in the weight loss niche probably also know nothing about losing weight. They swipe articles or other email swipes or get a copyrighter. They are in the game to promote affiliate offers and make money.

                From what I have read about email and affiliate marketing in the many books and websites I have visited, the guys that make the most money promote things they know nothing about, like dog training, weight loss and body building.
                The ones making money take the time to research the niche enough so they can come across as an expert. They then build a relationship with their subscribers.

                The way you want to go about it, is just not going to work. You have already proven this over and over.

                You have to be willing to learn and you have to get the big red shiny button mentality out of your mind.

                You have proven to yourself what does NOT work.

                Now start learning and find what actually works for you.

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            • Profile picture of the author Copydog
              Originally Posted by Rob Whisonant View Post

              You seem to be still missing something.
              You are NOT building a relationship with your email
              subscribers. Without the relationship you will be lucky
              to get a random sale here and there.
              Precisely.

              Prospects want to deal with friends, not salesmen.

              It takes time to build a relationship - usually between
              7 to 9 emails, say the experts.

              People want to be helped, not sold to.

              Which is why story emails work so well.

              Stories touch the heart and have no whiff of hard-sell
              about them...

              I feel your pain and frustration.

              So much hard work, but little (so far) to show for it.

              And yes, a lot of great advice in this thread.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ian Jackson
            Originally Posted by soutthills01 View Post

            I hired a copyrighter on here who has great reviews and says he's responsible for righting millions of dollars in profit pulling emails to write 5 emails to send to new subscribers for one of my weight loss lists so I am going to try that and if a million dollar copyrighter can't get my new subscribers to convert I am not sure anything will.
            Do you have any idea how much GOOD copywriters charge?

            Besides, if you do hire one, they will not have a relationship with your list!

            Are there website addresses and/or contact details with those testimonials?

            Oh boy...

            Good luck!

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  • Profile picture of the author Ian Jackson
    Originally Posted by soutthills01 View Post

    I have amassed about 14,000 subscribers in 5 different niches in under 9 months. I easily get between 80-120 new subscribers per day over the 5 niches. Nobody buys anything from me ever and I use the email swipes from the biggest offers online. I should easily be making over $100 a day and I can't even make that a week. I have no idea why I am promoting the offers on clickbank and making nothing using their swipes. Looking for someone to help me out. Thank you.

    If you're using swipe emails, no wonder, they'll see right through you. Do the the people writing those emails know the needs of the people on your list?

    Exactly!

    Write more succinct emails (length is irrelevant) in YOUR OWN voice. The whole point of marketing through email is to build relationships with subscribers that is based on trust and you getting an understanding of what they want.

    eg:

    ==> 10,000 subscribers from inorganic lists are, as you have witnessed, worthless
    ==> 1000 subscribers develop trust in you over 3-6 months of you personally answering their questions through email, and then when you offer a $1000 3-month 1-2-1 deep level training, 10 of them invest

    nice huh?
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  • Profile picture of the author sendizo
    Basically when you got open and clicks you can find a way to monetize your email lists. You just gotta find that works for you.

    https://www.adngin.com/blog/blogging...ips-that-work/
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  • Profile picture of the author yorkiedale
    Why not survey them, with another freebie for completing the survey.

    I would look for 2 or 3 aims to the survey -

    1. To segment the list further - ie to focus down on tighter niches within what it is for

    2. To see if there is a particular help topic they want, within your niche.

    3. Be a bit radical - and see if they would be interested in another totally different niche but one that is of universal interest - eg MMO etc - again with an offer - if you get 10% wanting this, that convert at 10%, then at least you are making something. - Move these over to another list etc and start mailing that afresh


    Another thing would be to use your lead gathering way to do other offers - maybe via a JV with someone? - Happy to talk on this further, as Insta was a market I'd like to capture.
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    You need to experiment on the email you are sending. I think the problem is there, it is not effective.
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  • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
    For your weight loss list, you may want to try promoting whatever is the hot supplement and has a free trial +s&h. They can convert pretty well and typically pay decent.

    For the past 16+ years, I have been monetizing purchase data (email) by promoting PPL (pay per lead...lead generation) offers, because there is no credit card / purchase required. All a user has to do is fill out a form to complete an offer. So conversion rates are typically much higher than offers that require a purchase. Free signups for dating is also high converting free offer.

    Maybe you want to rethink what type of lists you are building and build lists that are geared to promoting free offers.
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      i would think my email list would feel pretty swindled if I did that. those PPL sites like maxbounty sort of mislead the people entering their email addresses. It's sort of like a bait and switch isn't it? Those are like the "enter your email address to win a free iPhone" type scams aren't they? I tried using maxbounty and made very little.
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      • Profile picture of the author DavidG
        Originally Posted by soutthills01 View Post

        i would think my email list would feel pretty swindled if I did that. those PPL sites like maxbounty sort of mislead the people entering their email addresses. It's sort of like a bait and switch isn't it? Those are like the "enter your email address to win a free iPhone" type scams aren't they? I tried using maxbounty and made very little.
        Hey South, I reached out to you. Talk soon!
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      • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
        Originally Posted by soutthills01 View Post

        i would think my email list would feel pretty swindled if I did that. those PPL sites like maxbounty sort of mislead the people entering their email addresses. It's sort of like a bait and switch isn't it? Those are like the "enter your email address to win a free iPhone" type scams aren't they? I tried using maxbounty and made very little.
        Those are email submit offers and that's not what I was talking about. Also, I'm not talking about sending offers to your existing lists, as the verticals that you spoke of, aren't ones that would have PPL offers related to them. I was was saying if you are having good luck building lists, you may want to change the type of lists you are building.

        Currently you are building lists that in order to make any money, you need to sell them something. However, you could build lists that are in verticals that have PPL offers and you could send lead generation offers as well.

        Something to think about.
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        • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
          what do you mean by verticals? you are talking about maxbounty ppl stuff right?
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          • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
            Originally Posted by soutthills01 View Post

            what do you mean by verticals? you are talking about maxbounty ppl stuff right?
            Niches...insurance, loans, education, dating, etc...

            Maxbounty is a single cpa network.

            When I say PPL, I am referring to PPL offers you can get from CPA networks. Doesn't have to be maxbounty.
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  • Profile picture of the author payarc
    soutthills01,

    Sounds like there is something very wrong. Using affiliate networks like Cickbank hardly ever work from my experience. They generally have 2-3 big clients that support their business and everyone else get's burned. I think you should hook up with a few direct merchants (I am sure I can or some others have some connections for you) or work with a more hands on Affiliate network like Jumbleberry or Oasis Ads (I can also make an intro).

    Best,
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      hey thanks for your reply. i really think my emails suck and would be willing to try things outside of clickbank. what did you mean by direct merchants?
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      • Profile picture of the author desireedavid
        Hi, any update? Have you made a sale since the posting? What changes have you made to your campaign?
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnVianny
        Try to

        1 Focus on ONE LIST

        2 Buy Solo Ads with T1 traffic on Udimi as example.

        3 Use email swipes that belongs to the author's of the product you are
        promoting. I suggest you promote Mike Geary and use affiliate's email.

        4 Use FB Ads.
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      • Profile picture of the author rossle
        I don't post often on WF, more of a reader, however I felt compelled to help because this is a very interesting problem.

        We've done a ton of email marketing selling Clickbank products and despite what some are saying, it still works.

        There is only one way to get the answer to your questions, and that's to ask your audience.

        Sign up to SurveyMonkey.

        Send the survey to a cross section of your lists.

        And be blunt. Don't be afraid. Ask them outright why they chose not to purchase any of the products you suggested.

        You've got nothing to lose seeing as those lists are not generating revenue.

        Give them a multiple choice answer.

        ie

        A. We didn't buy the offer because we didn't know or trust the sender.
        B. The offer was not relevant to my problem.
        C. The offer did not interest me.
        D. The offer was too expensive.
        E. The offer could not be seen or viewed correctly on my mobile.
        F. The offer was boring and did not interest me.
        G. I thought it was some kind of scam.
        H. Why should I buy anything from you, I don't even know you.
        I. Your emails bore me. I'll never buy from you.
        J. The offer did not seem credible.
        K. The claims in the offer seemed too good to be true.
        L. Perhaps if I know you better, I might buy something you recommend to me.

        You can view all replies to your survey in your SurveyMonkey account. We use it a lot, its good.

        I think this is the only way you'll ever get to the truth of the matter.

        Once you know the root cause of the problem, you can fix it and make money from the steady stream of new subscribers you get every day.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ian Jackson
          Originally Posted by rossle View Post

          I don't post often on WF, more of a reader, however I felt compelled to help because this is a very interesting problem.

          We've done a ton of email marketing selling Clickbank products and despite what some are saying, it still works.

          There is only one way to get the answer to your questions, and that's to ask your audience.

          Sign up to SurveyMonkey.

          Send the survey to a cross section of your lists.

          And be blunt. Don't be afraid. Ask them outright why they chose not to purchase any of the products you suggested.

          You've got nothing to lose seeing as those lists are not generating revenue.

          Give them a multiple choice answer.

          ie

          A. We didn't buy the offer because we didn't know or trust the sender.
          B. The offer was not relevant to my problem.
          C. The offer did not interest me.
          D. The offer was too expensive.
          E. The offer could not be seen or viewed correctly on my mobile.
          F. The offer was boring and did not interest me.
          G. I thought it was some kind of scam.
          H. Why should I buy anything from you, I don't even know you.
          I. Your emails bore me. I'll never buy from you.
          J. The offer did not seem credible.
          K. The claims in the offer seemed too good to be true.
          L. Perhaps if I know you better, I might buy something you recommend to me.

          You can view all replies to your survey in your SurveyMonkey account. We use it a lot, its good.

          I think this is the only way you'll ever get to the truth of the matter.

          Once you know the root cause of the problem, you can fix it and make money from the steady stream of new subscribers you get every day.
          Yes.... simply put, it's about building good relationships but 99% of hopefuls are too lazy to do this because it is HARD WORK and the majority doesn't have the stamina for hard work!
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        • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
          do you really suggest asking them that many options ?
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      • Profile picture of the author Randy McLean
        Some people buy after 6 days, some after 6 weeks and some after 6 months. Different people take different time frames to build relationships.

        Just don't be so quick to give up. Learn your craft.

        The best thing you can do is send a broadcast email asking what they're struggling with and that you're there to help. You should get a lot of engagement.

        I stick an email like that in the first week of my follow up series. Then you will know where people are at.

        And you will form relationships.

        I have even had people ask about the products I was promoting. All you have to do is answer them and they'll buy.

        They want to know you're real.

        Some will unsubscribe if they find your emails boring. Be personal. Share stories and personal experiences.

        Actually review the products you're pitching.

        You have to get inside your subscribers mind and find out what keeps them up at night. Then you win them over with emotion, not logic.

        Keep your emails short, informative and to the point.

        If this is all too much just start a newsletter and put a "Sponsored by (ClickBank Product)" in every issue. It doesn't look so salesy that way and you're bound to get clicks sooner or later.

        Then send out an offer every once in awhile.

        If weight loss isn't your thing and you don't know much about it pick something where you do.

        If you're trying to gain weight there are lots of muscle building programs on CB too. You can then relate to problems and solutions.
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        • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
          thanks for the response. unfortunately i really don't know much about anything related to the big 3 niches in email marketing. i am just winging it. for the weight loss niche people just email me asking how to lose weight, i can't answer them with a good answer because that is like somebody emailing me saying my car is broke and i need to know how to fix it. way too vague. each body is different, along with their sex, lifestyle, eating habits, genes. ppl just want a simple answer and don't want to actually learn how to do something. i should be making at least $200 per day with my lists by I'm lucky if i make $40 every 2 days...
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      • Profile picture of the author oadvantage
        If you're good at list building, then perhaps I can show you a few things.

        I am great at converting CPA offers. (Have made over $500,000 in CPA)

        I will shoot you a PM, maybe we can talk.
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  • Profile picture of the author simon1234bunny
    May I interject on this discussion. I am an aspiring affiliate marketer to be (I hope) but my list is only 34 long even though I have a free ebook with 150+ juicing/blending recipes. Any ideas people on how I can acquire some QUALITY traffic? Sorry if it is already on this forum but I am wet behind the ears. I joined a while ago but have neglected to use this very often but that will soon change!.
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      i have a smoothie list with over 600 subscribers. i guess you can just get smoothie recipes on google for free so people won't buy recipes it seems. i have made one sale in 6 months from my smoothie list.
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  • Profile picture of the author Isaiah Jackson
    Here are my thoughts on this:

    1. Your subscriber source could be a problem.

    If folks are coming from instagram they probably don't want to buy anything from you. Plus if a ClickBank site isn't optimized for mobile they won't buy from a phone but will wait to get to a computer.

    2. Segment that damn list.

    Break it down into segments so it makes sense.

    Think niche not market because what you are targeting is a market (weight loss)

    3. Stop using swipes.

    You said you don't know anything about weight loss so why even enter the market in the first place.

    Better off writing your own emails and not doing a swipe and hype job with them

    Hope that helps a bit,

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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      Thanks for the reply.The same people that are in Instagram on are Facebook. In fact like everyone on earth with a smartphone is one either one or both of those so I don't think my source is the issue. Segmenting my list is a great idea but I am not sure how much more I can segment it other than women who want to lose weight. Not only that, I have a paleo diet list, dog training list, bodybuilding and smoothie list so those are pretty segmented I think and I don't make any sales on those either.

      I have worked with 2 people, and now a 3rd trying to write emails for me and nothing is working, yet...
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  • Profile picture of the author bleght
    Send your subscribers a fun survey that will actually give you information about what kind of products each one are interested in. Use the gathered information to segment your lists and then send laser targeted offers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rhadoo7
    How did you got those subscribers? Did they subscribed intentionally and confirmed their subscription? Or did you just bought some lists?

    Are they expecting emails from you? Are they opening them? What are your Open and Clickthrough Rates?

    Do you send a series of 4-5 emails regarding a certain product over the course of 1-2 weeks? Or just one email and expect sales?

    How many clicks do you get on an usual promotion? Even with a GREAT product, if the subscribers don't trust you enough, you can barely get 1 sale out of 100 clicks (most of the times even less). That's CLICKS, not opens.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rhadoo7
    Oh...and one more IMPORTANT question...maybe the most important of all!

    Where are your subscribers from? What countries?

    If they are not from the US or Canada you are wasting your time promoting Clickbank products! So far I've got tens of thousands of clicks to CB products and 98% of the sales came from the US and Canada. If your subscribers are from India or other poor or developing countries, most people are not willing to pay 30$ or 40$ for an informational product! And even European countries with good salaries don't convert so well on Clickbank.

    So if you want to make money from CB products, definitely focus on getting US and Canadian subscribers!
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      almost all subscribed from U.S.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rhadoo7
        Originally Posted by soutthills01 View Post

        almost all subscribed from U.S.
        Hmm that's strange. Please also reply to the other questions I asked in a previous post...
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        • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
          i email them multiple times a week and pitch normally one product per week. my open rates range from 35 % to 9%. i have a few different niches with different lists. i do everything all the email marketing experts say to do and i have Tier 1 traffic and still can't make sales. I should easily be making $100 or more every single day with an 18,000 person email list and 100 new subs per day.
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  • From what i can see, you can try:

    1. Offering $19 tshirt or mug with your niche, this might convert well
    2. Email retargeting (those that open your email but dont click) on FB ads !
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  • Profile picture of the author Double Tei
    you should use split test or apply different strategies to market your products. there is no such a certainty here. everything need to be tested
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  • Profile picture of the author fulfilledlife
    I would not go and do any surveys or anything. People are lazy and will not do it unless offered some kind of bribe.

    Instead, I would start interacting with subscribers, like making webinar on a subject and talking to them directly. Then let them ask questions. That way you can gather all the information you need while building a relationship with your subscribers.

    Realize, it is almost impossible to anyone on this forum to give you anything but generalized advise (because they don't know how exactly you do things to say anything specific) that you likely already heard hundred times from other sources.
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  • Profile picture of the author kIwOk168
    Don't use swipes as is, soutthills01. Use them as baselines but edit them a bit to fit the unique needs/language of your subscribers. You have good open rates so it's safe to assume that they are real human beings that are interested in what you are saying.

    Also, I would check on the traffic source. Some traffic sources, despite being massive and affordable, just aren't good at sending buying visitors, only lurkers and freebie seekers.
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      i only use instagram for traffic and i don't use swipes. i think some of my emails are getting better but sales still suck
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Cruz
    You have the list building skills...

    Now what you want to focus on is to learn email marketing.. Go find one and apply what you learn.

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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      I've watched every video i can find on youtube, read books and even belong to skillshare which has video classes. no matter what i do, i can't make much money. if i could just find one person to help me with my emails i would be friggin killing it...
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  • Profile picture of the author CB58
    14,000 is a good sized list. Sounds like you are good at list building. I would use a survey to segment the list. Maybe even more than one survey. You could find more than one niche within your list. Now go make some money
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      its actually over 22,000 across a few different niches. how can asking them to answers questions segment them? they would have to sign up to a new list to be segmented would they not?
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  • Profile picture of the author nenji
    Why not promote offers in JVZoo?
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      in not in the make money online niche that is why
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  • Profile picture of the author johnydavid
    Hi
    You need to segment that list and you need to experiment on the email you are sending. I think the problem is there, it is not effective.
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      segment it how? i promote weight loss products to people that want to lose weight,
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      • Profile picture of the author SSSJames
        Originally Posted by soutthills01 View Post

        segment it how? i promote weight loss products to people that want to lose weight,
        Try to figure out who on your list are interested in certain products (i.e. male "get ripped abs" vs. female "lean figure" weight loss) - who has clicked on the relevant links in the past? By dividing up your list and targeting these segments with relevant products, you may find you'll get better results.

        You might also want to clean out those who haven't bought from you at all, or clicked on your emails for a long period of time, and acquire some more responsive, purchase-ready leads (through solo ads or swaps).

        Good luck.
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        • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
          also, how do i segment it technically speaking? i mean they would have to opt-in to another list in order to be removed from the one they are on, are they really going to fill out their email address again?
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          • Profile picture of the author oadvantage
            Shoot me an email. You can also pre-populate if the advertiser allows.
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              • Profile picture of the author oadvantage
                Sounds great. "Email" or PM here is cool.

                There are a few core issues that are causing your offers not to convert.

                Sent one back.
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  • Profile picture of the author sonjay
    You may also set up redirection to CPA offers, i.e. after a subscriber verifies email s/he gets redirected to a CPA page (after registration or subscribing, you get paid).. you may start with ViceOffers first, and then move on to bigger ad networks such as MaxBounty and PeerFly..
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      i am on maxbounty and have like 0 luck promoting anything on there either. i am trying everything, seems the only thing I'm really good at is list building. averaging about 90 leads per day but useless if i can't make any money.
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