I need VPS for bulk Mailing

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I need VPS for bulk Mailing, is anyone helps me...
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  • Profile picture of the author Grazina
    Check out plans from hostsailor.com and a2hositng.com.
    Prices are cheap and servers are as stable as a rock. Support is blazing fast.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rozanne
      Originally Posted by Grazina View Post

      Check out plans from hostsailor.com and a2hositng.com.
      Prices are cheap and servers are as stable as a rock. Support is blazing fast.
      Those companies won't work for bulk mailing as far as I know. Chances are they might terminate you. You might need to lookout for some offshore VPS providers. I know for a fact that there are many of these.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Jones42
      Originally Posted by Grazina View Post

      Check out plans from hostsailor.com and a2hositng.com.
      Prices are cheap and servers are as stable as a rock. Support is blazing fast.
      do you have experience with this sites? because i want for my blog.
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  • Profile picture of the author sendizo
    you need IPs to send emails.
    lotta of important stuff in between. what exactly you need help in?
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  • Profile picture of the author bobby_shahzad
    Getting your own VPS is not easy for bulk emailing. Most hosting companies can shut down your VPS for violation of TOS and almost all require IP justification. Find a 3rd party ESP that already are providing BULK email vps and work with them instead of buying yourself
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  • Profile picture of the author rritz
    Check Host-Stage.net, that's where I run my VPS mailing server. You can buy additional IPs with your server. Good customer support.
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  • Profile picture of the author VeronicaSmith
    Check for znetlive's VPS hosting plans. They're offering 50% off on all VPS plans.
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  • Profile picture of the author EmailKing
    please check out vultr hosting plans you can run your own cps mailing servers using this service they have amazing quality and affordable rates as well
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  • Profile picture of the author umakant13
    I think it's better to hire 3rd party ESP who are providing BULK email VPS and work with them instead of buying yourself
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  • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
    There are plenty of hosts that do allow mail, just none of them tell you that they are friendly for mailers.
    You have to know the right people to know the right places to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author mdallen
    Is hostgator one of those friendly to mailing?
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    • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
      Originally Posted by mdallen View Post

      Is hostgator one of those friendly to mailing?
      No, they would be one of the worst options for you to pick.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oseana
    You must consider kvchosting.com for bulk mailing VPS. Heard that they allow bulk mailing and provides good support.
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  • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
    There is a great misconception that you can just set up an email server and then be able to inbox tons of volume regardless of the quality of your data.

    The point of using ESPs is to piggyback off of shared IPs that have good IP reputation... which you will typically inbox well, as long as you have decent data. There are several tricks to mitigate complaints and unsubscribes when testing data, to help from getting accounts terminated. But if you are just starting out, this is not possible.

    If you want to set up a bulk email operation with your own servers and IPs. Then you will at best have IPs with neutral reputation. Unless you have true opt-in data to start with, you are going to have problems inboxing all domains. As bigger domains are going to look at engagement. So if you don't have quality opt-in data, you need to domain target your data based on what domains your IPs are capable of inboxing regardless of engagement.

    Going this route is all about cost VS profit. Which may sound simplistic, but it's not. You need to keep your costs as low as possible, you need to be able to verify your IPs before paying for them and have a replacement policy that will work based on your data quality and send the highest quality data that you can afford.

    For many, this is all a pipe dream. It costs money to make money in this business. Where most don't have a pot to piss in. I'm not trying to sound like a dick, I'm just telling you the way it is. As I have been doing this for over 16 years.

    Other than me (not to toot my horn), the only person in this forum that I would trust is ProducerK. When it comes to bulk mailing. Not that there are not others here, just he is the only one I know is for sure is real.
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  • Profile picture of the author whitecap
    Try the amazon vps. Its darn good. I have been using it for many months now.
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    • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
      Originally Posted by whitecap View Post

      Try the amazon vps. Its darn good. I have been using it for many months now.
      I don't believe that Amazon VPS services or instances have port 25 open to allow for smtp connections. With that said, Amazon SES is an option, but I have found their delivery to be ok at best, and its especially rough trying to inbox google.
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  • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
    I just also want to point out that some of the other people in this conversation have posted some hosting companies that are "mailer friendly".

    None of these companies I have ever heard of before, let alone used any of them. I suspect that some of them are self promotion of just basic reseller services.

    Furthermore, to expand on what Diabl0 said as well, buying $10 servers and thinking your going to make money doing bulk email is a pipe dream. I can attest as well that you have to allocate thousands of dollars, and be ready to lose thousands of dollars before you figure out the changing map of being able to do bulk email successfully.

    Everyone in this Forum will tell you never to purchase data, you have to build your own list. Diabl0 and I are the only two people who really advocate for purchasing data. And there is a reason for that, we know how to work with it. Its a much more complex process then building your own list, but it can also be much more lucrative and can give you scale much faster then building your own list.

    For any of the newbies reading the email forum here on WF, dont get into email if you think its easy or your going to get rich doing it. Those days are long long gone, its a 18 hour a day grind, always having to change and adapt, and its full of bullshit day in and day out. If you are serious about business, you are technically competent, and have a good understanding of marketing, you have a small chance you will make it in this business.

    I always try to set real expectations for people who ask questions on this forum. There is also a ton of bad information that is incorrect posted here on a regular basis, and I plan to be more active on here in hopes of being able to keep the information being shared here to be useful and not misleading.
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    • Profile picture of the author drewx
      Originally Posted by ProducerK View Post

      Furthermore, to expand on what Diabl0 said as well, buying $10 servers and thinking your going to make money doing bulk email is a pipe dream.

      I use a $5 1gb ram ssd vps as my (main vps) and send it through an ssh tunnel to a $3.49 2gb ram ssd vps (mailing vps) just in case I lose it for some reason (spam compaints, etc.) and I can send out about 45-75k/hour of cleaned revshare data and make decent money so I wouldn't say it's a "pipe dream" but do agree that you can't just hop in without knowing what you are doing and expect it to be easy. I rotate my mailing vps's to keep the IP's somewhat fresh.
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      • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
        Originally Posted by drewx View Post

        I use a $5 1gb ram ssd vps as my (main vps) and send it through an ssh tunnel to a $3.49 2gb ram ssd vps (mailing vps) just in case I lose it for some reason (spam compaints, etc.) and I can send out about 45-75k/hour of cleaned revshare data and make decent money so I wouldn't say it's a "pipe dream" but do agree that you can't just hop in without knowing what you are doing and expect it to be easy. I rotate my mailing vps's to keep the IP's somewhat fresh.
        What do you consider "decent" money?
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        • Profile picture of the author drewx
          Originally Posted by ProducerK View Post

          What do you consider "decent" money?
          Not really into discussing my revenue on here... Do you ask everyone you meet how much they make?

          Just making a point to the OP that it can be done on a budget without telling him it's a "pipe dream" and discouraging him.
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          • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
            Originally Posted by drewx View Post

            Not really into discussing my revenue on here... Do you ask everyone you meet how much they make?

            Just making a point to the OP that it can be done on a budget without telling him it's a "pipe dream" and discouraging him.
            I asked you what you consider to be decent money, because with an $8 setup, your not pushing out 1,800,000 emails a day.

            Here is the thing, you can setup any system to send out as fast as you want, but your not inboxing 75,000 emails per hour, you might be inboxing 1% of that.

            Further to that, without exceptional ip reputation, which I assume you don't have based on you saying that you flip from server to server, your going to get temp or perm blocked by the big 4 isp's almost immediately sending that fast.

            Gmail - 500/hour
            Yahoo - 500/hour
            AOL - 5-50/hour
            Hotmail - 5-50/hour

            $40 profit on your $8 server is 400% ROI. That might be a good ROI, but its hardly good money.

            I am not discouraging anyone, I am simply providing people with realistic expectations on what to expect when entering the email marketing industry. Its not a pink fluffy place where everyone can make money if they have $8 to spend and have some rev share data from some data broker. If you read my other posts on this forum, I give it to people straight, a no-nonsense approach to email marketing. I am not going to be a cheerleader for people encouraging them to get into something that most are likely going to fail miserably at.
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            • Profile picture of the author drewx
              Originally Posted by ProducerK View Post

              Further to that, without exceptional ip reputation, which I assume you don't have based on you saying that you flip from server to server, your going to get temp or perm blocked by the big 4 isp's almost immediately sending that fast.

              Not worried about the big 4... been mailing GI since 2011.
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              • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
                Originally Posted by drewx View Post

                Not worried about the big 4... been mailing GI since 2011.
                Just as a sidebar, if you are mailing GI, your domains and IP's are going to lose most of their delivery within about 15 minutes of sending your campaigns, then its going to continue to deteriorate heavily. GI based on my experience is all about speed, you want to be sending out to large lists of 10-20-30-40-50 million people at a time, and try to achieve speeds of 100K+ per minute, which requires a custom PowerMTA config and cacheing rules, and an injector that is just as fast and capable.
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                • Profile picture of the author drewx
                  Originally Posted by ProducerK View Post

                  Just as a sidebar, if you are mailing GI, your domains and IP's are going to lose most of their delivery within about 15 minutes of sending your campaigns, then its going to continue to deteriorate heavily. GI based on my experience is all about speed, you want to be sending out to large lists of 10-20-30-40-50 million people at a time, and try to achieve speeds of 100K+ per minute, which requires a custom PowerMTA config and cacheing rules, and an injector that is just as fast and capable.
                  Yes... I mail on Robomail and send roughly 4mm/hour on each drop with a fresh IP and domain. I can see it deteriorate quickly.

                  The cheap vps mailing with 2 IPs/month was just a side project to see if it could be done on a very small budget.

                  But I think the OP has abandoned this thread anyway...
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          • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
            Originally Posted by drewx View Post

            Just making a point to the OP that it can be done on a budget without telling him it's a "pipe dream" and discouraging him.
            It's a pipe dream if you don't have quality data if you expect to mail all domains. You're not going to be able to warm up IPs with low-quality data.

            Additionally, I said that otherwise, you need to domain target your data mail to the domains that are possible with the IPs that you have.

            In a later post, you said you don't care about TLDs and are mailing GI...that's domain targeting.

            Then you posted that you see the deliverability deteriorate quickly.

            To mail GI you need fresh IP for each drop, which isn't possible with a VPS, nor will you get the speed needed to mail GI with one.

            To do anything at scale, you need to be set up with a mail friendly IP provider and have the right set up. Which for most novice mailers isn't possible due to the costs.

            If you get fresh / targeted data you can send using ESPs and overall get decent deliverability and stay alive if you know how to mitigate complaints when testing new data.
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      • Profile picture of the author ant2000
        Can you please elaborate on how to set up bulk email marketing under a small budget.
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      • Profile picture of the author criss wach
        can i ask you which affiliate company do you use ?
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      • Profile picture of the author Omar KM
        With that being said i believe that you are using GI data what you are doing ain't work with tld.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hiep Le
    Why don't you use an app/software to send bulk instead of VPS.

    You can register an Amazon SES account and use iMarketing Center to send bulk.

    SES is cheap and delivery rate is high.
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    • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
      Originally Posted by Hiep Le View Post

      Why don't you use an app/software to send bulk instead of VPS.

      You can register an Amazon SES account and use iMarketing Center to send bulk.

      SES is cheap and delivery rate is high.
      SES in indeed cheap, approx $100 USD per 1 million emails sent.
      Only transactional email sent on SES is going to have half decent delivery.
      Marketing email sent over SES is going to be heavily filtered and your delivery is going to be weak.

      I have a feeling you are an affiliate or the owner of the software you are speaking about as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author fulfilledlife
    I think the best way for you is to go SMTP route (something like SendGrid, Elastic Email, etc...) and not to try and set your own email sending solution.

    Setting proper Email server solution, having 10 or more IP addresses to manage additionally managing all kind of records for improved deliverability (like rdns, ptr and few others) requires a lot of technical expertise and is not worth the effort unless you have decent size business and can outsource.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronald Ramsay
    Check out hotsol.net they offer cloud servers, Ips and can work with you on an email strategy for your campaigns. The pricing is fairly competitive as well.
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