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How showing off can make you poor

by Svetoslav Stoyanchev
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Hi Warriors,
Some of you may already know me as guy that provides email services and recently I got convo in Linked in that was a fight. A fight, not started by me but a guy who "showed off".
I hope I can copy the convo here and see what happens.

Hi Maximilian Found you in the Email Marketing Gurus group and I would like to ask if you are happy from your email service provider? What if there's one more suitable for you? My service works great for cold,marketing and transactional emails! You can take a look at ******** and if something is not clear I can explain in details. I'm providing mass email services since 2015 so I bet I have many answers for you. Cheers!
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Hi svetoslav,

Thank you i use german tools like maileon with membership in csa and whitelisting by united internet media. I have delivery rates from 98-99%. International tools without iso certificate and without tüv are not my Business.

Best,
Maximilian

Soo, what do you recognize here ? First, my name was written starting with small letter.
I don't think this was a typo.
Secondly, my service does not have any of his "umlaut-ed" certificates and all the things mentioned, which definitely attacks my service as incapable and what he has is godlike. This is how I answered.

Hi maximilian, you are chatting with ESP founder and delivery expert since 2009, which knows how spam filtering engines work and how no whitelisting by united internet media helps, nor membership in csa, nor alien civilization techniques will help to achieve 98-99% deliverability. The basis lies on different principles, one of which is not to spam, which you possibly followed.

Regards,
Svetoslav
So, I guess you get my irony here..

His next comment
Correct. My customers do not send spam
This made me think he has at least a bit of understanding but then sadly the "show off again"
I have 98-99% deliverability, thats a fact. We're a a big enterprise platform with over 3000 customers.
Anyone believes that his 3k customers have 98-99% deliverability (I guess the whole showing off is for 98-99% INBOX, otherwise it makes no sense to show off) This is funny..
Okay, let's say that I chatted to a guy who didn't need my service and has his own or loves what he has. But I don't think this is normal behavior and those kind of people are either some kind of grandomaniacs or even if he has 3k customers he'll loose them with that kind of self-esteem.

This is just an interesting story that I'd liked to share with you. Hope none of you will loose yourself that way. Of course maybe some of you can be already on his side
#make #poor #showing
  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Not sure what you mean by 'show off' - Sounds like YOU tried to pitch him on your service...and he wasn't interested. He made that clear by praising his own choice of services....what is there to argue about? Am I missing something?
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    • Profile picture of the author Svetoslav Stoyanchev
      Thanks for your interest on the theme Kay.
      Well, I don't know how familiar you are with Email Delivery/Marketing, but to point out "tools like yours are not my Business.", because I have "csa membership, tuv certificate etc" is just wrong for me. Moreover do you really believe that there's 98-99% Inbox rate, plus the fact he mentioned all his 3k customers have that rate. This is the show-off. I chatted to a competitor (which was unexpected) so he showed grandiose superiority, which isn't how businessman should behave, especially if his website isn't even ranked on Alexa. And as I mentioned all those things he pointed out he has are not what spam filtering engines care on a larger scale.
      What he won in this convo ? If you have a competitor approaching to you with his service, would you act the same ? Personally, I would say - 'not interested', but not that kind of chat.
      His point was not to refuse, but to insult without even knowing my service and praise on certs and fake things. This is what amazed me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    YOU sent him an unsolicited promotion for YOUR product...and he was saying 'not interested because I think what I'm using is superior'. How is that 'not businesslike?' When you promote to someone - you don't get to tell them how to respond to your promotion. Waste of time to be upset over something like this in my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Svetoslav Stoyanchev
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      YOU sent him an unsolicited promotion for YOUR product...and he was saying 'not interested because I think what I'm using is superior'. How is that 'not businesslike?' When you promote to someone - you don't get to tell them how to respond to your promotion. Waste of time to be upset over something like this in my opinion.
      I get it you won't understand me what's all about.. And by the way how come practitioner in the LinkedIn group of Email Marketing Gurus isn't something I can't contact (as unsolicited promotion by your words), when that's exactly the right people to contact to.
      To me, you're like telling : "Do not promote sausages to people that love sausages and are subscribed to sausages, this would be definitely unsolicited".
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
        Originally Posted by Svetoslav Stoyanchev View Post

        I get it you won't understand me what's all about.. And by the way how come practitioner in the LinkedIn group of Email Marketing Gurus isn't something I can't contact (as unsolicited promotion by your words), when that's exactly the right people to contact to.
        To me, you're like telling : "Do not promote sausages to people that love sausages and are subscribed to sausages, this would be definitely unsolicited".
        You would be banned from here for this repeated behavior. I'm not sure what LinkedIn's rules are but that is a common practice to avoid spam.

        Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    A couple of thoughts.

    1. Unsolicited messages are mostly considered spam by me unless I know the sender or we have some pre-existing relationship or connection of some kind. That can make the spammer poor.

    2. It seems you are all about numbers and you didn't like him showing off his numbers. Yet you do it yourself on your own site.
    For subscribers 98% of the emails are usually delivered and all in INBOX! For a targeted list of non-subscribers 80% of emails are delivered with ~50% INBOX rate.
    So you think providing a different set of numbers is showing off and will make them poor? If I boast 50% of something and my competitor boasts 51% that's not him showing off it's a sign for me to get better. If I don't, I may end up in the poor house.

    3. Certifications are important to many businesses. Instead of taking it as him showing off, why not you commit to doing better?

    4. If I hated everyone that has misspelled my name (Marc, Marko, Marco, Singleton, Singletree, Simetary, etc.) purposefully or on accident that would show my own lack of self-confidence in myself versus any condemnation of them--even if they do it on purpose.

    My point of view.

    Mark

    Edit: Don't take any of this as a fight, offensive, etc. Look at ways you can improve. That's the lesson I would try to get from this. There is always someone better, faster, more handsome, richer, etc. which means we have the chance to evolve into our better selves.
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    • Profile picture of the author Svetoslav Stoyanchev
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      So you think providing a different set of numbers is showing off and will make them poor?
      Absolutely, some people and the best customers are rational thinkers, realistic.
      If he points out unrealistic numbers, he will get poor, simply because business is mainly about trust.
      The numbers I have are much lower than what he points out. His probably imaginary 3k customers are nowhere near 50% inbox rate as you cannot have ALL customers having unique set of real subscribers, plus perfect copyrighting, no spammy words and many many other rules. That day when we achieved full inbox rate was on about 300 subscribers, so we just pointed out on our page that is really indeed possible in perfect conditions (and smaller scale).

      You would be banned from here for this repeated behavior. I'm not sure what LinkedIn's rules are but that is a common practice to avoid spam.

      Mark
      I haven't PM'd a person here since at least a year I believe. Yes the rules are totally different, here's a forum and there's a Linked In group. Moreover you can pay for an Linked In add that sends text messages to some people to specific group, or doing it manually as I did for free. That makes these kind of ads unsolicited promotion I guess too ? Hmm, I doubt these guys are doing such mistake or maybe you can share me more on that matter?
      And what would be solicited then, if promoting "sausages to people that love sausages and are subscribed to sausages" is unsolicited?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
        Originally Posted by Svetoslav Stoyanchev View Post

        Mark[/I]
        I haven't PM'd a person here since at least a year I believe. Yes the rules are totally different, here's a forum and there's a Linked In group. Moreover you can pay for an Linked In add that sends text messages to some people to specific group, or doing it manually as I did for free. That makes these kind of ads unsolicited promotion I guess too ? Hmm, I doubt these guys are doing such mistake or maybe you can share me more on that matter?
        Like I said, I am not sure of the LI rules on this matter. I was only pointing out what the rules are here and many other groups and forums.

        But I did spend about 10 seconds looking at the rules for the Email Marketing Gurus group and rule #2 says:

        2) Do not pitch any offering unless requested by a fellow member.
        It would seem to me that would mean it's not allowed. But I'm not active in that group so those rules may be different than what's written.

        I really think this is a petty fight. Why not learn what you can learn, grow where you need to grow, and become better than the competition in all aspects?

        Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author Monetize
    There are many ways a person can be poor and using poor judgment
    is one of them. Normally I don't even waste my time replying to such
    nonsense but I could not resist. Why on Earth would you even post
    any of this? Setup an incident report folder on your desktop and
    whenever someone slights you add your rant to the file. Then go back
    a few days later and read your rant and spare the rest of us. And BTW
    the only person that is looking poor is not the guy you spammed. LoLs!
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  • Profile picture of the author iDigMark
    This DOESNT suggest "show off". And moreover, a little show off doesn't hurt sometimes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Leadnetwork
    Ohh, I actually saw the same thread on the other forum, but it's definitely not so popular as here)))
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    And by the way how come practitioner in the LinkedIn group of Email Marketing Gurus isn't something I can't contact (as unsolicited promotion by your words), when that's exactly the right people to contact to

    Because it is against the LINKEDIN rules - pretty good reason. I do think you should check the rules of any site before using THEIR member lists to promote your product.


    What he won in this convo ?
    He had nothing to lose - YOU contacted him - you turned a 'no' into an argument trying to 'prove' your product was superior. My own conclusion from THIS thread is that you might be difficult to work with as you are intent on being right.



    You posted this same rant on two forums. That is why this thread is being closed. Warrior Forum is not a complaint site.
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