I'm so frustrated .. CTR 0% !!!!!

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Hello, my dear friends

I have a list of 70 subscribers.

I am trying to promote Clickbank products to subscribers in my mailing lists, but the CTR is always 0%

I have tried several copies, some I wrote myself and provided a lot of value, and other was email swipes, which vendors claim are highly converting. In any case, no one clicked on my affiliate link.

So I don't think the problem is in the messages subscribers receive from me. Also, I do not think that the problem is with the subscribers, as they are very targeted by FB ads and relevant to my message and the products I am promoting.

Overall, this is a screenshot from my autoresponder page.



How many subscribers are needed to get clicks on affiliate links or sales?
#ctr #frustrated
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I'm not sure whether to congratulate on your continued efforts - or ask you WHEN you are going to realize it isn't working.

    You've asked about promoting ClickBank products for 18 months or so - you've had multiple experienced marketers ask questions and give advice. You've indicated you've applied many of the things suggested.

    So I don't think the problem is in the messages subscribers receive from me. Also, I do not think that the problem is with the subscribers, as they are very targeted by FB ads and relevant to my message and the products I am promoting.
    Though I question the 'very targeted by FB ads' - if the above is true and the 'problem' is not the emails and not the potential customers....it must be the products you are trying to sell.

    Have you tried ads that are not on Facebook? Have you promoted products other than Clickbank? What do YOU think the issue is?

    If someone signs up to your list - do they get helpful information or just a series of 'buy this and buy that' emails?


    One piece of advice you continue to ignore is that you need more than a few dozen on your list....you are listing very low numbers and expecting to profit from them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mamymilan60
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I'm not sure whether to congratulate on your continued efforts - or ask you WHEN you are going to realize it isn't working.

      You've asked about promoting ClickBank products for 18 months or so - you've had multiple experienced marketers ask questions and give advice. You've indicated you've applied many of the things suggested.


      Though I question the 'very targeted by FB ads' - if the above is true and the 'problem' is not the emails and not the potential customers....it must be the products you are trying to sell.

      Have you tried ads that are not on Facebook? Have you promoted products other than Clickbank? What do YOU think the issue is?

      If someone signs up to your list - do they get helpful information or just a series of 'buy this and buy that' emails?


      One piece of advice you continue to ignore is that you need more than a few dozen on your list....you are listing very low numbers and expecting to profit from them.
      I have already tried Facebook Ads, Google Ads and Bing Ads, but I found that Facebook ads are the best for building a list.

      Yes, the problem may lie in the list size - because it is still new.

      I don't think the products I promote are bad. Its grav on Clickbank is very high. No one clicked on the affiliate link that would take it to the sales page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy Arrandale
    Originally Posted by Mamymilan60 View Post

    Hello, my dear friends

    I have a list of 70 subscribers.

    I am trying to promote Clickbank products to subscribers in my mailing lists, but the CTR is always 0%

    I have tried several copies, some I wrote myself and provided a lot of value, and other was email swipes, which vendors claim are highly converting. In any case, no one clicked on my affiliate link.

    So I don't think the problem is in the messages subscribers receive from me. Also, I do not think that the problem is with the subscribers, as they are very targeted by FB ads and relevant to my message and the products I am promoting.

    Overall, this is a screenshot from my autoresponder page.



    How many subscribers are needed to get clicks on affiliate links or sales?

    I just learned through statistics that SALES (not click through) only start to occur around the 60th day in an email sequence.

    And of course it helps if your email list is full of people that have already been KNOWN to buy products that are similar to the ones you're promoting.

    So how are long are your sequences?
    For example, I'm currently running three sequences for three different high quality products, one is 90 days, the second is 160 days and the third product has an email
    sequence of 365 days.

    There are so many other elements to consider too.

    [mod edit: do not solicit personal contact]

    Your list, no matter what size, may not know you well enough yet to trust you. Trust is a big factor.

    Then there's the style of the emails. Infotaintainment, or a combination of entertainment and information, plus a few cool ways of writing catchy or irresistible headlines, has also been known to help opens and read throughs.

    I've actually used in the past, a reliable service of professional copywriters to write long email sequences and even insert them into my auto responder for me. That's been a pretty penny for me but well worth it for me.

    I know Kay King says you've asked for help with this before on the forum.


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    • Profile picture of the author Mamymilan60
      Originally Posted by Troy Arrandale View Post

      I just learned through statistics that SALES (not click through) only start to occur around the 60th day in an email sequence.

      And of course it helps if your email list is full of people that have already been KNOWN to buy products that are similar to the ones you're promoting.

      So how are long are your sequences?
      For example, I'm currently running three sequences for three different high quality products, one is 90 days, the second is 160 days and the third product has an email
      sequence of 365 days.

      There are so many other elements to consider too.

      [mod edit: do not solicit personal contact]

      Your list, no matter what size, may not know you well enough yet to trust you. Trust is a big factor.

      Then there's the style of the emails. Infotaintainment, or a combination of entertainment and information, plus a few cool ways of writing catchy or irresistible headlines, has also been known to help opens and read throughs.

      I've actually used in the past, a reliable service of professional copywriters to write long email sequences and even insert them into my auto responder for me. That's been a pretty penny for me but well worth it for me.

      I know Kay King says you've asked for help with this before on the forum.


      NOTE: NO 'contact me' permitted
      90 days sequence period?!! This seems too long to me.

      I run my sequences for 5 days.

      Do you know the Soap Opera Sequence created by Russell Brunson?

      This is exactly what I do.
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    For example, I'm currently running three sequences for three different high quality products, one is 90 days, the second is 160 days and the third product has an email
    sequence of 365 days.
    how many are on the lists - and what is your CTR rate? That would be helpful info for the OP.

    I've actually used in the past, a reliable service of professional copywriters to write long email sequences and even insert them into my auto responder for me. That's been a pretty penny for me but well worth it for me.
    True - can be costly but also may be effective....how effective has it been for you? What was the ROI on it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy Arrandale
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      how many are on the lists - and what is your CTR rate? That would be helpful info for the OP.
      List size = 2400. Since I just hired the pro copywriters in early November, I hadn't checked yet (and since it's all on autoresponder I've been doing other tasks for my business), so in response to you now I've selected a random section in my Get Response autoresponder to screenshot:




      (If that doesn't show up, as this is my first time to use Insert Image feature and the preview feature doesnt show the image, I also used File Attach. )

      Remember this is a brand new list too, the same age as the copywriting service emails. I had finished growing the list a week before before finding the copywriting service, which may account for the low statistics you see. But it seems to be 0.04% click rate, if i'm interpreting it correctly. (This is a brand new autoresponder software for me. In the past I used two different ones.)

      True - can be costly but also may be effective....how effective has it been for you? What was the ROI on it?
      Again, it's the first time I've used the copywriting service and the sequences just started, they are at about the 30-day mark on all three, so I can get back to you on the ROI. But, wow, did it relieve a burden on me time-wise in my complicated schedule. (Got too many things going on in my personal life that I can't control right now and I've appreciated being able to afford the service.)

      Also, since these emails come into my own email, I frequently read them too and am struck by the professionalism of them. Most of the titles have caught my attention, I've enjoyed the infotaining copy inside too, and so I'm happy with the copywriters I'm using.

      When I have time, I also compose and email my own email. (For example, one of the products I'm an affiliate of had a recent launch of a new product 8 Nov - 11 Nov, so I composed and scheduled a few emails of my own for that product for that short period to go out to the list too, scheduling them for a time on the clock to hit inboxes in-between the other three.)
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    Originally Posted by Mamymilan60 View Post

    I have a list of 70 subscribers.
    I am trying to promote Clickbank products to subscribers in my mailing lists, but the CTR is always 0%
    From the screenshot you posted, 6 out of 10 email shots were delivered to 42 or fewer subscribers. Of those - according to your stats - perhaps 3 or 4 of them actually bothered to open the email.

    You might well have email headline and targeting problems, but there's no point talking about CTR figures until you both increase your subscriber base and fix your deliverability issues.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mamymilan60
      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      From the screenshot you posted, 6 out of 10 email shots were delivered to 42 or fewer subscribers. Of those - according to your stats - perhaps 3 or 4 of them actually bothered to open the email.

      You might well have email headline and targeting problems, but there's no point talking about CTR figures until you both increase your subscriber base and fix your deliverability issues.
      The emails with less than 42 deliveries were for an old list of 42 subscribers, but I don't use it anymore
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    The emails with less than 42 deliveries were for an old list of 42 subscribers, but I don't use it anymore
    Does that matter? You have defenses/reasons for everything - but the fact is you have NO sales.

    No the 'soap opera' method isn't a good fit for affiliate sales for CB products. I get the impression that when someone signs up for your 'list' they are immediately sent 5 emails....then nothing? Is that correct?

    My advice would be to focus on building a REAL email list and building some name recognition/trust with the list. Do you have a site/blog/landing pages? Do you offer signups any freebies or advice after they give you their email address? Do you review the products you sell - do you test them yourself?

    I know - lots of questions....but...what you are doing is not working. You need to change what you are doing or how you are doing it - or the order you are doing it in.

    The ability to change course, rethink a process and try again has been the making of many successful IMers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mamymilan60
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Does that matter? You have defenses/reasons for everything - but the fact is you have NO sales.

      No the 'soap opera' method isn't a good fit for affiliate sales for CB products. I get the impression that when someone signs up for your 'list' they are immediately sent 5 emails....then nothing? Is that correct?

      My advice would be to focus on building a REAL email list and building some name recognition/trust with the list. Do you have a site/blog/landing pages? Do you offer signups any freebies or advice after they give you their email address? Do you review the products you sell - do you test them yourself?

      I know - lots of questions....but...what you are doing is not working. You need to change what you are doing or how you are doing it - or the order you are doing it in.

      The ability to change course, rethink a process and try again has been the making of many successful IMers.
      Yes, that's right. I send emails in the first 5 days. I have an inactive blog and a high-converting squeeze page where I offer a free e-book.
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      • Profile picture of the author SARubin
        Originally Posted by Mamymilan60 View Post

        I have tried several copies, some I wrote myself and provided a lot of value, and other was email swipes, which vendors claim are highly converting. In any case, no one clicked on my affiliate link.

        So I don't think the problem is in the messages subscribers receive from me.
        Every time I see a statement like this it makes me cringe a little bit.

        I don't want to be a buzz killer here, but reality is what it is. And for starters, value is subjective. It's as simple as that.

        If nobody is responding to your message then it might seem full of value to you, but not to them.

        I've been doing this copywriting thing for more than a few years now, and I can say with confidence...

        When you're sending the right message, to the right market, through the right medium... At least some of the people will respond. Especially when you're not directly asking for money, you're only directing them to click a link and check it out.

        Since email is your medium, and because they signed up to receive your emails, then you probably have the medium right.

        Which leaves message to market match.

        Note: Timing also plays a critical role. You have no control over what's going on in your subscribers personal lives, but can you directly tie your offer to current events?

        As far as "email swipes, which vendors claim are highly converting"... Do these vendors know who your subscribers are, or how long you've been warming them up to trust you?

        Because the simple fact is, if I have a list of 10,000 people, whom I've been building trust with for 5 years, I can give you my highest converting email swipes and there's virtually no way you will ever get the same results with a brand new list of 70 people.

        (On the other hand, if you bought a list of 10,000 highly responsive buyers then my emails should produce some results for you. But you didn't do that so it's a mute point)


        Other than that, based solely on the limited info you've given here, Kay King said everything else I was thinking.

        If you feel comfortable sharing some details about your campaign flow, and subscribers, I, or someone else here, might be happy to take a look and see if there are any obvious friction points that could be breaking the engagement trance or buying flow.

        For example...

        Originally Posted by Mamymilan60 View Post

        I have an inactive blog and a high-converting squeeze page where I offer a free e-book.
        Depending on how you're driving people to this page, you might be attracting freebie seekers who have no intention of ever buying anything. (just one possibility)
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  • Profile picture of the author Devilfish168
    Because " maybe " you getting fake leads
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  • Profile picture of the author Mamymilan60
    Facebook Ads provide fake leads !!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    SARubin gave you multiple pieces of common sense advice based on successful experience. Will you respond to that or continue to defend what you are doing?


    In previous threads, the OP has had some excellent advice...and often doesn't acknowledge the best posts. I'd advise reading back over his previous threads and PAYING ATTENTION to those members giving specific advic

    https://www.warriorforum.com/beginne...onversion.html


    Read Jason Kanagan's advice in the link above....you did not respond to that advice. You don't 'thank' those who answer you or ask followup questions to specific advice given.

    In another thread, an experienced email marketer (diablo) not only gave good advice but his signature offers a FREE LIST BUILDING GUIDE ....you did not respond to his post...did you click the link?

    https://www.warriorforum.com/email-m...ld-i-send.html

    Instead of defending what you are doing (which is not working) - read back over threads you've started and implement some of the advice given. THEN post about the changes made and results you are getting.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mamymilan60
    I am grateful to everyone here who helped me... I don't deny that I learned a lot from this forum over the years.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamell
    First of all your audience is unique .Secondly you used email swipes that other vendors have used to convert their subscribers into buyers .The email copy that works for them are not necessarily going to convert subscribers into buyers for you .

    Your subscribers are opening up your offers but are not following through .You might need to tweak your offer and see if your CTR rate improves .

    You might also want to survey your list of subscribers to get a better understanding of who they are and what their pain points are.

    I would need to see a little bit more information about your campaign so that I can pin point the problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
    Having 70 leads is never going to show you any results.
    Your going to need at least 500, and likely thousands of leads before your going to see any kind of decent click rates an conversions.
    Stop using FB as well, most of FB leads are junk, and especially if you dont have large campaigns that are highly optimized, you should not be expecting much.
    Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mamymilan60
      Originally Posted by ProducerK View Post

      Having 70 leads is never going to show you any results.
      Your going to need at least 500, and likely thousands of leads before your going to see any kind of decent click rates an conversions.
      Stop using FB as well, most of FB leads are junk, and especially if you dont have large campaigns that are highly optimized, you should not be expecting much.
      Hope this helps.
      Your comment helped me a lot - THANK YOU.

      Ok, if you do not recommend FB ads to build the list, which traffic source would you recommend for building a list? Should I use solo ads?
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    You are wonderful!!!! I will try this. It is exactly what I am looking for. Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author toysoldier80
    It just looks like you need to add more subscribers to your list.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy Arrandale
      Originally Posted by toysoldier80 View Post

      It just looks like you need to add more subscribers to your list.
      But that's only one issue.

      Another issue is...FB ads only? How motivated are the people who click on ads
      while they're in Facebook? Stats show that social media folks are just there mostly to
      socialize and 'escape' even if they do let u collect their email address.

      Hopefully, that will change in the future.

      What about getting traffic through places where people are actually on the lookout
      to buy? Aka shopping? lol

      My FB ads were only for engagement, not collecting email addresses, as I already was made aware of this. but here's just one scrren shot of a mailmunch study that was done comparing conversions with FB/social media vs. email marketing, say, and others...(I had to shrink it down, so i hope it's visible enuf as an attachment here)

      and I'm sure if you google you may find other such comparison studies.

      Look into other ways to build an email list! And yes, increase the size, substantially. And set up great follow up sequences that can go into the 60 day, 60 day and even 365 day mark, to increase your chances that your list will trust you and get used to seeing you in their inbox or promotions folder every day.

      Oh, and don't even get me started on how to possibly make sure your emails don't hit their spam where they don't even look!!!
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    It just looks like you need to add more subscribers to your list.
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