Best Plan/Pricing for Sending Email to 40,000+

I would also be interested in a genuine recommendation for a mailing solution. I have about 300 recent subscribers and about 4,000 old ones going back a number of years. They are all double opt-ins and genuine subscribers, but obviously the old ones will have many obsolete addresses.

Any help or advice is appreciated.

Robert

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PerformanceMan

14 years ago

Old addresses are not going to be welcome on AutoResponder services. They'll have too high of a bounce/complaint rate.

You can't expect miracles if you haven't maintained and cleaned the list.

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JimDucharme

14 years ago

We actually have the option to test a list for you. You can simply contact support and ask them for the compliance email address. Then just send the list you want to import in a .CSV file to compliance and tell them you'd like to have it tested to see if it meets our requirements.

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jim

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dvduval

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JimDucharme

We actually have the option to test a list for you. You can simply contact support and ask them for the compliance email address. Then just send the list you want to import in a .CSV file to compliance and tell them you'd like to have it tested to see if it meets our requirements.

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jim

Right now, I am paying $0 and can send an email. It appears your service would increase my cost to $3000/year or similar. I'm not sure that is what I'm looking for unless I had a strong reason to believe I would make $3000 or more as a result.

Thanks for everyone's responses.

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Claire Koch

14 years ago

Theres a VIP account you can buy through an indian company and they claim to have a mailer where you can send 1200 an hour. The VIP is $25 a month. I'm just the messenger I have no idea how good it works. They have resellers here is one company that resells it.

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dvduval

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Claire Koch

Theres a VIP account you can buy through an indian company and they claim to have a mailer where you can send 1200 an hour. The VIP is $25 a month. I'm just the messenger I have no idea how good it works. They have resellers here is one company that resells it.

Justinhosting cheap web hosting
heres a thread about it:
Semi-Dedicated Server VPS With Built In Mailer Only $25 Per Month

Sounds a little sketchy. I have elected to rebuild the app we have been using. It is working and not really seeing a reason why an email service would offer enough additional benefit. Heck, I will probably be selling this app on warrior soon.

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Ben Gordon

14 years ago

Check out sendgrid.

It's a great and affordable service (you could get up and running for just $80/mo with a list that size)

I personally still use GetResponse because of the simplicity and key features, but Sendgrid works well too (my buddy is using it and he says it's great).

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Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ben Gordon

Check out sendgrid.

It's a great and affordable service (you could get up and running for just $80/mo with a list that size)

I personally still use GetResponse because of the simplicity and key features, but Sendgrid works well too (my buddy is using it and he says it's great).

Hey Ben,
Thanks for the recommendation.

Does GetResponse let you add that many subscibers or are you required to have them opt in? What are the rules on that?

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JimDucharme

14 years ago

Originally Posted by solos

Hey Ben,
Thanks for the recommendation.

Does GetResponse let you add that many subscibers or are you required to have them opt in? What are the rules on that?

Hi Solos,

Yes, you're required to have them opt-in. However, as I mentioned you can request a list be imported with no confirmation emails sent out and you can in some cases have the confirmation waived on opt-ins for a campaign. This is on a per-case basis and you have to be approved by compliance. However, it's a relatively simple procedure done (in most cases) right from your dashboard.

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Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by JimDucharme

Hi Solos,

Yes, you're required to have them opt-in. However, as I mentioned you can request a list be imported with no confirmation emails sent out and you can in some cases have the confirmation waived on opt-ins for a campaign. This is on a per-case basis and you have to be approved by compliance. However, it's a relatively simple procedure done (in most cases) right from your dashboard.

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jim

Hey Jim,
Thanks for clearing this up for me good to know

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Josh Anderson

14 years ago

SMTP via Amazon web services is really inexpensive.

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John Rogers 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Josh Anderson

SMTP via Amazon web services is really inexpensive.

Josh, I've been looking at SES today and someone on another forum said that Amazon has problems with blacklisted IPs. Are you using SES yourself?
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jaggyjay

14 years ago

Neil Morgan's autoresponder plus may be a good solution. This is as opposed to Aweber or Getresponse - which will kill your list as they would require that they RE-opt in. It wouldn't be without it's challenges though as you'd likely need a dedicated server it; in additional to getting it whitelisted for maximum email deliverability.

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JimDucharme

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jaggyjay

This is as opposed to Aweber or Getresponse - which will kill your list as they would require that they RE-opt in.

Hi Jaggyjay,

No, that's not the case with GetResponse.

If you have a list and wish to import it to GetResponse, you can submit it for review to our compliance department, if there are no issues, we'll waive the reconfirmation ("RE-opt in"). This can be done right from your desktop or (as I mentioned previously) you can email a list prior to signing up for GetResponse and ask for it to be tested.

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dvduval

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JimDucharme

Hi Jaggyjay,

No, that's not the case with GetResponse.

If you have a list and wish to import it to GetResponse, you can submit it for review to our compliance department, if there are no issues, we'll waive the reconfirmation ("RE-opt in"). This can be done right from your desktop or (as I mentioned previously) you can email a list prior to signing up for GetResponse and ask for it to be tested.

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jim

Yes, he is right about that. I tried this. I still don't like the pricing, but it does appear this is the case. I just think I already have a pretty decent system, and not seeing the justification for the kind of numbers they want to charge (ex. $3000/year per list).

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BeauJustin

14 years ago

List building lesson incoming!

1. Aweber and get response are great services for capturing emails, but
horribly expensive for storage of those email address. The big list builders
typically use one of the top market services like GetResponse or Aweber
(almost ALL at least HAVE an Aweber account), for the purposes of building
their lists.

2. Once those emails are captured on Aweber, they export them to dependable,
but less expensive service like Imnicamail.com or, my personal favorite sendgrid.com

40,000 emails on Aweber is ridiculously expensive!!! You have to leverage
that list to the hilt just to pay the bills! That's OK, but it shoots the whole relationship
marketing model in the foot, if you're constantly sending nothing but ads to your list.

That same size list on Sendgrid is $10/monthly, and has a comparably good delivery
even though the emails are exported in.

The reason I don't JUST use Sendgrid as my provider is, because, it's not
nearly as intuitive as Aweber, (not that Aweber is overly intuitive, I'm just
used to it), and it doesn't have the tools I'm used to. But it does make a
fantastic place to store up my email addresses, and manage campaigns.

Takeaway:

Build your list on Aweber. Keep your names there as long as you like, but
be ready to move them when you list gets big enough to raise your monthly
cost.
Store them on a dependable, 2nd Autoresponder service. Imnica is used a
lot, but I find the delivery rate to be atrocious compaired to any of the top
providers. Sendgrid, so far, has been an excellent resource.

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Sid Hale

14 years ago

Sorry Beau,

Originally Posted by BeauJustin

Takeaway:

Build your list on Aweber. Keep your names there as long as you like, but
be ready to move them when you list gets big enough to raise your monthly
cost.
Store them on a dependable, 2nd Autoresponder service. Imnica is used a
lot, but I find the delivery rate to be atrocious compaired to any of the top
providers. Sendgrid, so far, has been an excellent resource.

This doesn't make any sense at all to me...

Anyone can put an optin form on a web page (it's a simple HTML form) - regardless of what AR sevice you use/WHERE you mail from.

If Sendgrid is a good financial choice for you (comparable delivery rate vs. lower cost per mail), then using GR, or Aweber, or anyone else just for collection of the optins just doesn't make any sense at all.

Surely Sendgrid can handle the simple posting of an HTML form from your web site???

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BeauJustin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Sid Hale

Sorry Beau,

This doesn't make any sense at all to me...

Anyone can put an optin form on a web page (it's a simple HTML form) - regardless of what AR sevice you use/WHERE you mail from.

If Sendgrid is a good financial choice for you (comparable delivery rate vs. lower cost per mail), then using GR, or Aweber, or anyone else just for collection of the optins just doesn't make any sense at all.

Surely Sendgrid can handle the simple posting of an HTML form from your web site???

Hey Sid,
There is nothing wrong with using Sendgrid as your primary AR. It just has a
few issues that make it difficult for me to recommend as a complete replacement.

One of the biggest problems is that they don't give you and HTML form, just
a Javascript snippet to place in your websites. Again that's OK, if you're just
using HTML templates. However a lot of people use Wordpress. Any page that
you place javascript onto in Wordpress, has to be done in text mode, or the
Wyswyg will strip it out. If you accidentally open the page with the wysiwyg
activated, even if you immediately switch to text, it will strip it out.

One of the things I like about Aweber is that their are built in compatibilities
with tons of software platforms out there, including Wordpress.

Another problem I have with Sendgrid is that their backend uses it's own
conventions for user interface, and it takes a while to get used to it. For instance
There's also no form builder software - all forms look alike, which again, if
you know how to add CSS to your WP style sheet you can take care of that.

Sendgrids biggest boon over some of the smaller more affordable providers
is their deliverability, which is comparable to the larger providers. That's the
main reason I recommend them verses an easier service to learn.

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Ben Gordon 14 years ago

Originally Posted by BeauJustin

That same size list on Sendgrid is $10/monthly, and has a comparably good delivery
even though the emails are exported in. [/LIST]

Actually he'd be looking at around $80/mo because the $10/mo plan doesn't include a dedicated IP and many deliverability features. $80/mo is though VERY reasonable for a list your size. If you can't make at least $80 every month off a 40,000 list, then why maintain it at all? That doesn't make any sense to me,

Sendgrid is the way to go.
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DIABL0

11 years ago

Originally Posted by BeauJustin

List building lesson incoming!

1. Aweber and get response are great services for capturing emails, but
horribly expensive for storage of those email address. The big list builders
typically use one of the top market services like GetResponse or Aweber
(almost ALL at least HAVE an Aweber account), for the purposes of building
their lists.

2. Once those emails are captured on Aweber, they export them to dependable,
but less expensive service like Imnicamail.com or, my personal favorite sendgrid.com

40,000 emails on Aweber is ridiculously expensive!!! You have to leverage
that list to the hilt just to pay the bills! That's OK, but it shoots the whole relationship
marketing model in the foot, if you're constantly sending nothing but ads to your list.

That same size list on Sendgrid is $10/monthly, and has a comparably good delivery
even though the emails are exported in.

The reason I don't JUST use Sendgrid as my provider is, because, it's not
nearly as intuitive as Aweber, (not that Aweber is overly intuitive, I'm just
used to it), and it doesn't have the tools I'm used to. But it does make a
fantastic place to store up my email addresses, and manage campaigns.

Takeaway:

Build your list on Aweber. Keep your names there as long as you like, but
be ready to move them when you list gets big enough to raise your monthly
cost.
Store them on a dependable, 2nd Autoresponder service. Imnica is used a
lot, but I find the delivery rate to be atrocious compaired to any of the top
providers. Sendgrid, so far, has been an excellent resource.

Your looking at sendgrids cost for transactional emails and not marketing emails.
It's $10 per month to send 40,000 transactional messages.

150K marketing messages is like $150.
Getresponse 5000 subscribers is $45. So if you mail daily that is 150K messages.

Getresponse is $450 for 100K subscribers, mail daily and that is 3MM messages.
Sendgrid is like $1800 to send 3MM messages.

Using autoresponders is much cheaper!

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BeauJustin

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dvduval

Yes, he is right about that. I tried this. I still don't like the pricing, but it does appear this is the case. I just think I already have a pretty decent system, and not seeing the justification for the kind of numbers they want to charge (ex. $3000/year per list).

Just use Sendgrid.com. It's a great service once you get used to their weird
backend. Just count on using their tech support for a little while until you get
the hang of it.

Good luck!

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jaggyjay

14 years ago

I stand corrected then

And I'd say this is one of the best email solution discussions I've read thus far here on the WF.

Originally Posted by JimDucharme

Hi Jaggyjay,

No, that's not the case with GetResponse.

If you have a list and wish to import it to GetResponse, you can submit it for review to our compliance department, if there are no issues, we'll waive the reconfirmation ("RE-opt in"). This can be done right from your desktop or (as I mentioned previously) you can email a list prior to signing up for GetResponse and ask for it to be tested.

Regards,
jim

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Anonymous Affiliate

14 years ago

Amazon SES is reliable and cheap, but it has a bit of a learning curve. Once you've gone through the configuration process though, it's FAR cheaper than any other email service out there.

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dvduval

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate

Amazon SES is reliable and cheap, but it has a bit of a learning curve. Once you've gone through the configuration process though, it's FAR cheaper than any other email service out there.

Best reply so far! We are looking at $4 for 40,000. That I can do, even if it costs me $1000 to get the programming done.

Thank you!

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Maui Joe

14 years ago

interspire email marketer + Amazon SES = win. plugin your SMTP info and you're done. no programming necessary.

to give you an idea how cheap it is with amazon, in dec i sent out an average 3600 emails a day. cost: a little over $10

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bobby_shahzad 14 years ago

I see that cost saving with quality service is your main concern. You can always host your own mailer with software like interspire and get smtp relay from other companies. If you are looking for a hosted solution then check BulkResponse
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dvduval

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Maui Joe

interspire email marketer + Amazon SES = win. plugin your SMTP info and you're done. no programming necessary.

to give you an idea how cheap it is with amazon, in dec i sent out an average 3600 emails a day. cost: a little over $10

I'm just going to build my own version of the Interspire product that uses Amazon SES or other server delivery options. We already started and should be ready to send by the middle of next week, and I will build onto it over time.

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Bizzlebox

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Maui Joe

interspire email marketer + Amazon SES = win. plugin your SMTP info and you're done. no programming necessary.

to give you an idea how cheap it is with amazon, in dec i sent out an average 3600 emails a day. cost: a little over $10

This is exactly my setup. I have Interspire Email Marketer, I'm just looking for the SMTP info to input. Thank you for the post!

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JimDucharme

14 years ago

Hi dvduval,

Glad to hear you have a solution.

Good luck!

Regards,
jim

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anandshaw

14 years ago

Thanks dvduval, This is an interesting discussion. Is anyone using Amazon SES for their business?

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dvduval 14 years ago

Originally Posted by anandshaw

Thanks dvduval, This is an interesting discussion. Is anyone using Amazon SES for their business?

Thanks, yea, I don't feel that once you reach a certain size that these services are worth it, maybe not even amazon. From bounce handling, to distributed servers, to counting clicks, to handling unsubscribes, the programming on this can be customized to my situation, and then I don't have to for it anymore!

We are just about done and the email to one list goes out around Tuesday.
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14 years ago

Here ya go. 50,000 emails per day for $79 per month.
Email Marketing Software, Bulk Email Software, Email Extractor, SMTP Server - BoxxerMail.com

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BenQ

14 years ago

I use interspire as well and like it very much.

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ladyhawkdsm

13 years ago

Thank you, everyone, for this discussion. Very new to all of this and was wondering about which service to use. Exceptional information in this discussion.

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Fullofsurprises

13 years ago

If you have web hosting and tgat allows you to send unrestricted smtp then i can tell you about a free solution. You install the service on your website directory, upload the mailing list, create the letter and voalla bob's your uncle.

Why pay money when you can send them for free? Lol

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Donimo

13 years ago

I think you may want to look into getting a self hosted autoresponder for such a large list.

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SteveSRS

13 years ago

sorry to plug myself a little but have a look at the url in my sig.

It's a free eBook about various methods. I myself am using something called Sendy which works via Amazon SES. I'm currently sending about 400 - 800 emails a day and works perfect (I can send 5 emails per second, however I think if you have bigger volumes you can also have Amazon increase this).

I know some people say you can't use Amazon SES as IM-er but this is nonsense. I've been using it for over 6 months already and never have any problems.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by SteveSRS

sorry to plug myself a little but have a look at the url in my sig.

It's a free eBook about various methods. I myself am using something called Sendy which works via Amazon SES. I'm currently sending about 400 - 800 emails a day and works perfect (I can send 5 emails per second, however I think if you have bigger volumes you can also have Amazon increase this).

I know some people say you can't use Amazon SES as IM-er but this is nonsense. I've been using it for over 6 months already and never have any problems.

SteveSRS, thanks for sharing your success with Sendy.

Do you have any advice on requesting Production Access with Amazon SES?

There are a couple of websites (at insty.me and List Master Sensei) that provide website tips for the Website URL to submit in the request form.

The website URL is optional, but apparently highly recommended.

It is also recommended to provide as much detail in the "Use Case Description" as possible.

I would really appreciate your feedback, thanks.