Lists for Cognitive Behavioral Therapists?

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Hi all!

First time poster here. I am a Marketing intern at a productions company that produces Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) coping videos targeted towards Professionals in the BPD community and also the friends, family and loved ones of those who suffer from BPD.

I have been developing an IMC plan for the company and we are in the process of obtaining mailing lists. I am currently researching mailing list building for the company and would like to ask the community for any advice on places where there are specific lists available for purchase. Specifically, I am looking for lists of Cognitive Behavioral Therapists. These types of therapists work closely with those who suffer from BPD and are valuable to our business.

Do you believe that there would be anywhere that compiles lists that might have a list for this specific type of therapist? Or, would we be better off just compiling our own list for this niche? Thanks for your time!

-Matt
#behavioral #cognitive #lists #therapists
  • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
    When you buy a list and then get used for spamming a list that was illegally harvested, is the company going to be willing to pay the enormous fines? Just because a company says they are selling legit lists doesn't mean they are.
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    • Profile picture of the author matt@dawkinstv
      Originally Posted by Escalate Internet View Post

      When you buy a list and then get used for spamming a list that was illegally harvested, is the company going to be willing to pay the enormous fines? Just because a company says they are selling legit lists doesn't mean they are.
      I'm sorry, I am a little unclear on what you are insinuating. Are you suggesting that we will be spamming with the lists? Our goal as a company is to obtain sales by bridging gaps, leveraging resources and contributing positively to the BPD community. Our productions company is partnered with the National Institute of Mental Health and I assure you that our intentions as a company are to strengthen a community that in the past has had limited access to information as well as help those affected by the disorder better cope.

      Or, are you implying that there are companies out there that pose as list companies and then use your company as a scapegoat to spam others? If that is the case, then that is exactly why I am on this forum and posing questions. Also, I never listed a company or said that I had any that I was interested so I am further confused. I was merely asking whether we are better off making our own lists or going through a company (legitimate company) for mailing lists. As of now, I am compiling the lists myself using search databases for CBT officials.

      Perhaps you could clear up what you meant in your post? Thanks for the response.
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      • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
        Originally Posted by matt@dawkinstv View Post

        I'm sorry, I am a little unclear on what you are insinuating. Are you suggesting that we will be spamming with the lists? Our goal as a company is to obtain sales
        Isn't that the point of pretty much all commercial emails? For both spammers and legitimate email senders...

        Originally Posted by matt@dawkinstv View Post

        Or, are you implying that there are companies out there that pose as list companies and then use your company as a scapegoat to spam others?
        There are tons of companies who sell targeted lists. The problem is that if you buy one of those lists and then find out it was created with email harvesters - then you just violated the CAN-SPAM Act. And there's really no way for you to know for sure how that list was created.

        Sure, most of them will claim they were opt-in lists, but if you get sued over it, how are you going to prove how those emails are gathered? Don't expect the overseas company you bought it from to cooperate with US courts.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
          I want to point out something about my suggestion on the NASW. Because of the strict forum rule about anything having to do with email spamming, I report most requests or suggestions like this I see because many/most are all about trying to spam in one way or the other.

          However, the NASW (National Association of Social Workers) is a legitimate, real world, nationwide organization that offers rentals of its lists. They aren't a spamming group in any way, shape or form. For example, the ad you are going to send has to be approved by them before they rent the list.

          These lists are used to inform members mostly about CEUs available for seminars, etc. but also for legitimate products such as videos, software, etc.

          Other than that, I agree 100% with what you are saying.

          Mark

          Originally Posted by Escalate Internet View Post

          Isn't that the point of pretty much all commercial emails? For both spammers and legitimate email senders...



          There are tons of companies who sell targeted lists. The problem is that if you buy one of those lists and then find out it was created with email harvesters - then you just violated the CAN-SPAM Act. And there's really no way for you to know for sure how that list was created.

          Sure, most of them will claim they were opt-in lists, but if you get sued over it, how are you going to prove how those emails are gathered? Don't expect the overseas company you bought it from to cooperate with US courts.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            I agree entirely with Mark, above.

            Cognitive behavior therapists are also going to appear on many slightly broader lists (such as "clinical psychologists" and "psychotherapists") sometimes with their specific areas of therapy designated in their "listing". Many cognitive behavior therapists also do various other things in clinical psychology and psychotherapy: they're not all "dedicated CBT people" at all.

            There will still be significant legal (and practical) considerations involved, with sending them unsolicited commercial email.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Most state chapters of the NASW sell mailing lists but not sure about email. I'm also not sure if they have a break down by specialty. But that may be a good place to start on the professional side.

    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author matt@dawkinstv
    Thanks for the responses and the clarity my friends. We do have videos to sell at the end of the day but, the most important thing that our business is concerned with doing is delivering information about BPD to people who historically have not had available or reliable sources. Little was known about this disorder years ago and psychologists used to tell other psychologists to not waste time on a patient who has the disorder because there is no hope for them. Nowadays, there is plenty of hope and we are partnered with all leading US BPD officials and we operated under a $1.2 million grant from the National Institute of Mental Health even though we are a for-profit business.

    At this moment we are beginning our social media marketing campaign and revamping our website. The reason we are harvesting these lists of CBT is to invite them to join our campaign in spreading awareness and to help us increase our online web of specialists with a goal of becoming known as the best starting place for those who have BPD and for the families and loved ones of those with BPD who are needed in the coping process. The videos sit on the back-burner and are only a resource for those who deem necessary. Our emails will be set up as an invitation to join us in our mission to help the community. In the future, our website will be converted from its current state to a site that has harvested all the best information, blogs, forums and specialist listings to become the hub for BPD information and help.

    So far, I have found that most certified CBT are already online and I have been harvesting them from other websites manually. I will look into the NASW because I do not think they will have an issue with us contacting specialists especially when our goal is to strengthen the community and our business has many credentials and has been accepted by the NEABPD and NIMH.
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  • Profile picture of the author matt@dawkinstv
    It is the overall goal of Dawkins Productions to aid in the enrichment of the foundation which has been set forth for the advancement of those suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder. Dawkins Productions is dedicated to spreading the wealth of knowledge that has become recently available to those previously lacking in information. It is also Dawkins' pursuit to become the glue that helps to bind and connect various resources throughout the Borderline community and help those who are ready to start their journey down a road leading to a life less burdened by the unfortunate occurrence that is Borderline Personality Disorder.

    -This is our mission
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by matt@dawkinstv View Post

      This is our mission
      Very nice; but it doesn't change the fact that there will be significant legal (and practical) considerations involved, with sending such people unsolicited commercial email.

      It will almost certainly help you to familiarize yourself with the Can-Spam Act, partly because it will also be implicit in the terms of service of email service providers, etc., with whom you may do business.

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      • Profile picture of the author matt@dawkinstv
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Very nice; but it doesn't change the fact that there will be significant legal (and practical) considerations involved, with sending such people unsolicited commercial email.

        It will almost certainly help you to familiarize yourself with the Can-Spam Act, partly because it will also be implicit in the terms of service of email service providers, etc., with whom you may do business.

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        Thank you Alexa Smith but I do not believe anybody understands that in these emails we are not selling anything. It is simply an invitation to connect to our network. Such as a linked in request to connect. It is basically saying 1. This is our mission 2. We have a mutual cause 3. Can you help us by following our Instagram/Facebook/Twitter accounts 4. Would you like to join our network so that we may help refer people to you if need be?

        If we develop a BPD newsletter in the future it will have an option to subscribe. Our product will be located on our website but not mentioned in the emails. We are setting up a network of people and changing our website to provide information to those in the BPD community. Our goal is to get to the top of page 2 of a google search for "Borderline Personality Disorder".

        I hope this is clear now.
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