How Do I EMAIL A Large List Of People At Once

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by CyberAlchemist

I recently put together a list in excel of over 4000 people I would like to reach out to and offer my services.

I would like to know how can I email all these people at once with my offer?

These aren't people who have given you permission to send them commercial email, are they? Email marketing is permission-based.

Originally Posted by CyberAlchemist

will I have to signup for some third-party service like aweber or mail chimp and then import my list into there system to be able to contact all these people at once

Not only do you not "have" to do that, but you wouldn't be allowed to do that. Companies like that won't let you import lists of email addresses of people who haven't given you permission to email them (which you need to prove), because if the recipients click the spam button in their email client software, when they receive your unsolicited bulk email, it would be the autoresponder service's ability to send email to ISP's/ESP's and so on that would be put in jeopardy. Rather than yours. In other words, they can't possibly risk it. It's too open to "abuse"/"spamming".

There are also legal considerations about this (especially the Can-Spam act).

There are ways of doing what you want to do, to make it legally compliant. I'm not suggesting that "it's illegal, period". But the automated ways might not be legal (I'm not a lawyer). But you need to take great care about it, be well advised legally (not something you can do in a forum like this) and be aware that you'll still potentially be taking some risks regarding the security of your hosting, domain-registration and so on, in exposing yourself to potential "spam complaints".

Email marketing threads live here: Email Marketing

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wmwm300

11 years ago

by autoresponder , but you have to collect these emails in proper way

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BWHadam

11 years ago

you can use phplist and pommo to send the emails. pommo is pretty good tool to send mass mails.

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jamesfreddyc

11 years ago

Are you soliciting for a sale of your product service? Or are you only expecting a reply to an inquiry that your email soley consisted of?

I am no lawyer or proclaim to know the laws but the difference between the two above is huge.

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JensSteyaert

11 years ago

Well if you have scraped these email addresses somewhere, then you simply can't blast an email to them as that is considered spam.

So yeah there's no point for us really to help you get in trouble.

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jamesfreddyc

11 years ago

Originally Posted by JensSteyaert

Well if you have scraped these email addresses somewhere, then you simply can't blast an email to them as that is considered spam.

What's the content of the email?

What if it"s actually inquiring about something?

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JensSteyaert

11 years ago

Originally Posted by jamesfreddyc

What's the content of the email?

What if it"s actually inquiring about something?

You mean sending an inquiry to a website's contact form? There are tools for that but i forgot the name.

If the OP is talking about an email list he scraped somewhere then it doesn't really matter what he sends as it's still considered spam. And since he's talking about importing the list to an autoresponder service i don't believe he got the list legitimately.

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jamesfreddyc

11 years ago

Originally Posted by JensSteyaert

You mean sending an inquiry to a website's contact form? There are tools for that but i forgot the name.

If the OP is talking about an email list he scraped somewhere then it doesn't really matter what he sends as it's still considered spam. And since he's talking about importing the list to an autoresponder service i don't believe he got the list legitimately.

No, my question is/was about asking a business, through an email that they have published on their public website, a specific question. AGAIN, not an offer or attempt to sell anything, just a simple inquiry about their business.

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JensSteyaert

11 years ago

Originally Posted by jamesfreddyc

No, my question is/was about asking a business, through an email that they have published on their public website, a specific question. AGAIN, not an offer or attempt to sell anything, just a simple inquiry about their business.

Yeah that's fine, that's basically the same as using a contact form on a site.

But again that's not the intention of the OP as he states he wants to send them an offer.

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jamesfreddyc

11 years ago

Originally Posted by JensSteyaert

Yeah that's fine, that's basically the same as using a contact form on a site.

But again that's not the intention of the OP as he states he wants to send them an offer.

Well, it just seems most people get hung up on the notion that because the email addresses are acquired with a scraper that they automatically assume that any email sent from the addresses collected is then SPAM.

What I am suggesting is it isn't the scraping or data collection that is the issue. It's the sending of a solicitation that is the problem. So, don't send a solicitation and instead engage them into a discussion.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by jamesfreddyc

Well, it just seems most people get hung up on the notion that because the email addresses are acquired with a scraper that they automatically assume that any email sent from the addresses collected is then SPAM.

You're missing the point.

It's illegal, according to the Can-Spam Act, to send out bulk unsolicited email to scraped email addresses. The content of the email isn't relevant to that.

(No, I'm not a lawyer, but I pay one who knows about these things - do you?)

Originally Posted by jamesfreddyc

What I am suggesting is it isn't the scraping or data collection that is the issue. It's the sending of a solicitation that is the problem.

And that suggestion is incorrect.

It isn't the sending of a "solicitation" that's the problem: it's just "the sending of bulk email to scraped email addresses". Just so you know!

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jamesfreddyc

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

You're missing the point.

It's illegal, according to the Can-Spam Act, to send out bulk unsolicited email to scraped email addresses. The content of the email isn't relevant to that.

(No, I'm not a lawyer, but I pay one who knows about these things - do you?)

And that suggestion is incorrect.

It isn't the sending of a "solicitation" that's the problem: it's just "the sending of bulk email to scraped email addresses". Just so you know!

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With a list of addresses to dental offices, you suggest that Anti-SPAM law considers this SPAM:

"Hi,

Who is the best person to ask a question about delinquent accounts?

Thanks,
Jim"

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by jamesfreddyc

you suggest that Anti-SPAM law considers this SPAM:

It's not about what "I suggest". It's a simple, factual matter: the sending out of bulk, unsolicited email to scraped email addresses is illegal. It has nothing to do with the content of the email. What's hard to understand about this?

CAN-SPAM Act: A Compliance Guide for Business | BCP Business Center

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jamesfreddyc

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It's not about what "I suggest". It's a simple, factual matter: the sending out of bulk, unsolicited email to scraped email addresses is illegal. It has nothing to do with the content of the email. What's hard to understand about this?

CAN-SPAM Act: A Compliance Guide for Business | BCP Business Center

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Just quoting from the page in the link you provided (my emphasis in bold):

It covers all commercial messages, which the law defines as “any electronic mail message the primary purpose of which is the commercial advertisement or promotion of a commercial product or service,” including email that promotes content on commercial websites.

So, what I am pointing out is that asking a business a question about something very specific does not seem to be promoting anything at all. It's asking for a referral to someone who can help answer my question.

Also, the page you linked to clearly talks a LOT about the content of the message being vital to compliance.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by jamesfreddyc

what I am pointing out is that asking a business a question about something very specific does not seem to be promoting anything at all.

I suspect the key word there may be "seem". It "seems" to me that your purpose in doing this is a commercial one. I mean you absolutly no hostility at all, but I really do think it might help you to ask a lawyer familiar with this stuff whether or not that's ok.

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jamesfreddyc

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I suspect the key word there may be "seem". It "seems" to me that your purpose in doing this is a commercial one. I mean you absolutly no hostility at all, but I really do think it might help you to ask a lawyer familiar with this stuff whether or not that's ok.

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It's fine. There is no need to consult any lawyer here --- we are simply discussing a topic.

"seem". It "seems" to me that your purpose in doing this is a commercial one

The purpose of the content is to find out who I need to speak with.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by jamesfreddyc

There is no need to consult any lawyer here

This is for you to decide, not me.

I'm not doing it - and I already know what my lawyer told me, which is that the sending out of unsolicited, bulk email to scraped email addresses is an offense, regardless of the content of the email.

I've also seen other lawyers explaining exactly that, in legal forums.

I couldn't see any ambiguity in that statement (though I admit, this isn't actually something I wanted to do anyway - it was just something included among a bunch of other information I did ask about, to check that everything I'm doing is legally compliant.)

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jamesfreddyc

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

This is for you to decide, not me.

I'm not doing it - and I already know what my lawyer told me, which is that the sending out of unsolicited, bulk email to scraped email addresses is an offense, regardless of the content of the email.

I couldn't see any ambiguity in that statement (though I admit, this isn't actually something I wanted to do anyway - it was just something included among a bunch of other information I did ask about, to check that everything I'm doing is legally compliant.)

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Again -- this is a discussion about a specific topic. That's it. You shouldn't need to assume anything about me.

So is anyone interested in discussing this issue about the topic without continually injecting that I am in need of a lawyer?

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jamesfreddyc

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It's illegal, according to the Can-Spam Act, to send out bulk unsolicited email to scraped email addresses. The content of the email isn't relevant to that.
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Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It has nothing to do with the content of the email.

Of course the content of the messages are relevant, important and are at the very core of the issue and laws. It is referenced all over that page you linked to.

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Alexa Smith Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by jamesfreddyc

You shouldn't need to assume anything about me.

I didn't need to. I read this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/email-ma...ml#post9363099

To put it mildly, your opinion of the alleged differences between "cold emails" and "spam" appears not to match that of the Can-Spam Act.

I know you'd like to imagine that I'm alleging that all "cold emails are spam", but at no point have I said that. Even in my very first post in this thread (#2) I was careful to point out that I'm not saying that.

All I've said is that sending unsolicited, bulk email to scraped email addresses is illegal. And it is.

But I'm beginning to sense that probably all you really want is to "Be Right" about this ... and that's fine, too: so be my guest and have the last word - I don't really enjoy debating issues like this with people who amend their posts after I've replied to them, anyway. Good luck and good wishes to you, Jim.)

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- jamesfreddyc 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith
  
  I didn't need to. I read this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/email-ma...ml#post9363099
  
  So you are not interested in discussion. That's fine. That thread is about cold emails, not spam. It's fine if you cannot understand the difference, but it's strange how you are more interested in talking about things unrelated to the topic at hand.
  
  Are you afraid of discussing or just have a fear of being wrong?
  
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DennisSutro

11 years ago

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jamesfreddyc

11 years ago

Originally Posted by DennisSutro

1) Send quality emails, maybe 100 at a time not 4,000

Why 100?
Where do you get this from?
100, 1000, 10,000 how are you drawing this line, based upon what?

Why the focus on numbers and not the content? <-- THAT is the crux of the issue IMO.

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DennisSutro

11 years ago

jamesfreddyc, excellent question!

I'm drawing that line at ~100 based on the quality of conversation I hope to achieve with my emails.

25% response rates are my goal, so for every 100 email blast, I expect 25 responses to trickle in over the next week. The system I use - and keep in mind it's just my opinion - is to send out a 100-email campaign once on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday between the hours of 9:30am - 11:00am.

That's the system that I've iterated upon and found to work well for me.

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jamesfreddyc

11 years ago

Originally Posted by DennisSutro

jamesfreddyc, excellent question!

I'm drawing that line at ~100 based on the quality of conversation I hope to achieve with my emails.

25% response rates are my goal, so for every 100 email blast, I expect 25 responses to trickle in over the next week. The system I use - and keep in mind it's just my opinion - is to send out a 100-email campaign once on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday between the hours of 9:30am - 11:00am.

That's the system that I've iterated upon and found to work well for me.

Good goals!

What I've found is that compared to say, phone prospecting, I can carry on a conversation via email much longer, with a lot let pressure than having to pickup a phone at a specific time in order to meet with a prospect. With email I can have those same conversations over time, quite effectively.

With that said, in my experience over the past couple of campaigns I've run, I can comfortably respond to 80-100 of the email replies to my initial send in a day, manually with no automation, and continue those conversations. That's just my experience.

But from what I can tell in the limited time I have posted in this section, most are not doing B2B prospecting and more into MMO or B2C type campaigns. I think there is a big gap in these and how campaigns might be setup and how the types of prospects would/should be moved through the qualifying process.

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sujatasharma

11 years ago

The most option is Mailchimp it is a mail blast online software, you can send monthly basis 12,000 mail's for different peoples. The basic plan is 100% absolutely free and you can achieve your dream with this software.

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