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How many subscribers do you think are necessary to make 500$ per week by promoting Clickbank affiliate products?

Based on my experience and calculations - 30,000 subscribers.

Here are my calculations...let me know if you agree or not.

- let's say you have 30,000 subscribers and an average clickthrough rate of 6%
- that means 1,800 clicks
- in the worst case scenario, the product converts at 1%
- so that means 18 sales of let's say 30$ commision
- 18 x 30$ = 540$

What do you think?
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  • Profile picture of the author JensSteyaert
    Your calculations could be right, but they also could be wrong.

    There are too many variables to determine how much you will make from you list. There's not really a point in determing the average you'll make, because it ranges from $0 - $1000's. It's your job to test things out and see what works and then increase your conversions by making changes accordingly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Rhadoo7 View Post

    What do you think?
    It's certainly not easy to answer this one. I think you must be talking about a different "ClickBank", on a different planet, probably - your figures bear absolutely no resemblance at all to anything I recognise at all.

    Why would you have a click-through rate of 6%?! Was this a typo, or something??

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    • Profile picture of the author dre1982
      So why wouldnt you be able to make more money than that? Most marketers seem to send at least one email a day, if each email generates 6 percent clickthrough rate, then theoretically speaking you can make 18 sales a day with different offers on top of clickbank, right? 30 000 subscribers seem like a pretty large number to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author DaveWarrior
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      It's certainly not easy to answer this one. I think you must be talking about a different "ClickBank", on a different planet, probably - your figures bear absolutely no resemblance at all to anything I recognise at all.

      Why would you have a click-through rate of 6%?! Was this a typo, or something??

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      What ctr would you expect? 6% is low, but I think I could only do like 12% (25% open, 50% click)
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by DaveWarrior View Post

        I think I could only do like 12% (25% open, 50% click)
        I'd give up IM and open a shoe-shop if I thought a 25% open rate for my emails was reasonable.

        Think about what you're saying, Dave: you put your time, effort, skills, energy and perhaps even money into building lists so that you can do email marketing ... and you think that it's reasonable that three-quarters of your own subscribers aren't even willing to open an email from you?!

        Surely you can see that there's something terribly wrong, there?!

        Seriously, I'd be in tears ...

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        • Profile picture of the author DaveWarrior
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I'd give up IM and open a shoe-shop if I thought a 25% open rate for my emails was reasonable.

          Think about what you're saying, Dave: you put your time, effort, skills, energy and perhaps even money into building lists so that you can do email marketing ... and you think that it's reasonable that three-quarters of your own subscribers aren't even willing to open an email from you?! Surely you can see that there's something terribly wrong, there?! Seriously, I'd be in tears ...

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          I'd love to hear what open rates you get since you're apparently crushing industry standards.

          Average open, click-through, and bounce rates by industry
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by DaveWarrior View Post

            I'd love to hear what open rates you get since you're apparently crushing industry standards.
            The point you're failing to appreciate, Dave, is that in our line of business, the overall success-rates (depending on exactly whose figures you believe) are in single-figure percentages - it follows from this that anyone who's actually making a living from it is pretty likely to be "crushing industry standards", doesn't it?

            Those "industry standards", at any given moment, are - by definition - made up overwhelmingly of people failing to earn a living.

            People with low open-rates have typically taken a quantitative approach to list-building, imagining that "the biggest list" and "the list that produces the most income" are the same thing (they never have been, when I've split-tested, and there are reasons for that), have often built their lists from poor quality, not-very-responsive traffic characterised by low subscriber-attention-rates and low monetization rates. (They've also usually built their lists from squeeze-pages rather than from opt-ins on content-rich home-pages of content-rich sites. Some marketers have only ever built a list from a squeeze page and are genuinely unaware that far higher open-rates and click-through rates can be achieved by list-building in other ways. )

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          • Profile picture of the author Rhadoo7
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            It's certainly not easy to answer this one. I think you must be talking about a different "ClickBank", on a different planet, probably - your figures bear absolutely no resemblance at all to anything I recognise at all.

            Why would you have a click-through rate of 6%?! Was this a typo, or something??

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            These are numbers based on my previous experience and the one of other marketers in my niche (Fitness). Actually by doing some research I found these statistics:

            - Average Email Campaign Stats of MailChimp Customers by Industry

            - Email marketing statistics 2014

            It seems that click-through rates are even smaller than 6%. And those numbers are not based just on "people failing to earn a living online", but they also include big brands and Fortune 500 companies.

            But I'm guessing you're one of those IM gurus who makes 9,000$ by sending ONE e-mail to 1,000 people. That video is such a joke!

            Originally Posted by DaveWarrior View Post

            I'd love to hear what open rates you get since you're apparently crushing industry standards.

            Average open, click-through, and bounce rates by industry
            The numbers I've found at the links above are much smaller than the ones you've mentioned. It seems that the average CTR in all industries is somewhere around 3%.
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by Rhadoo7 View Post

              I'm guessing you're one of those IM gurus who makes 9,000$ by sending ONE e-mail to 1,000 people.
              Thanks for clarifying that your purpose here is to belittle others who are actually trying to help you, rather than learning anything. If post #11 above doesn't help you (and it seems not to, since you entirely ignored it), then it doesn't help you, and I'm sorry about that. I suggest that sarcastic personal comments of the kind quoted above are also unlikely, on balance, to produce the advice/support you might wish for.

              I offer you the observation (and again, I intend it helpfully) that if the conclusion of your mathematical reasoning is that you need a list of 30,000 subscribers to earn $500 per week, then something in your initial premises is clearly deeply flawed.

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              • Profile picture of the author Rhadoo7
                Originally Posted by fulfilledlife View Post

                You profit basically will be $350 or about $1400 monthly, this is not business, because you can make more working for minimum wage..
                That may not be business in the US, but it's quite a good business here in my country, where the minimum wage is 250$ per month Lol

                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                Thanks for clarifying that your purpose here is to belittle others who are actually trying to help you, rather than learning anything. If post #11 above doesn't help you (and it seems not to, since you entirely ignored it), then it doesn't help you, and I'm sorry about that. I suggest that sarcastic personal comments of the kind quoted above are also unlikely, on balance, to produce the advice/support you might wish for. .
                I didn't meant to be rude or sarcastic, but I simply hate those people that give huge expectations to beginners, promising thousands of dollars in a few hours.

                I believed those things as well when I started, just to be very disappointed when I saw how things really work.

                Yes, I've seen post #11..but I don't agree with it totally. Those are averages based on millions of emails, from all kinds of industries. I'm sure that companies in Business, Finance, Government, Insurance, Politics, Religion and other similar topics...didn't built their lists with squeeze pages and free gifts.

                And I'm guessing those companies know what they are doing, yet still have those numbers. Yes, you can do better than the average...but for those calculations I've considered the worst case scenario (average or below).
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                • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                  Originally Posted by Rhadoo7 View Post

                  I didn't meant to be rude or sarcastic
                  You did it well, for someone who claims not even to have been trying.

                  Originally Posted by Rhadoo7 View Post

                  I simply hate those people that give huge expectations to beginners, promising thousands of dollars in a few hours.
                  Boy, did you ever pick the wrong person, for that line of argument!! If you have a look around this forum, you'll find a few thousand posts from me sharing that perspective, and (at times rather outspokenly) warning members to have nothing to do with people making income claims at all.

                  Originally Posted by Rhadoo7 View Post

                  Yes, I've seen post #11..but I don't agree with it totally.
                  That's why you have the problem (of not understanding how fundamentally flawed your starting assumptions were).

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  • Profile picture of the author prbarton
    Let me put it this way . . .

    It's impossible to say! It's your list.

    If these numbers are typical responses for "your" list then I agree. If your're talking about my list I would say these numbers are a bit low. Someone else's list will be completely different.

    Other questions:
    Do you have a tested and developed funnel?
    Or, are you talking a one off product?
    What niche are you in?

    Geeze, I can't do this. It's way to open ended.

    Let me just end by saying, I know people with lists that won't buy anything
    any time.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaveWarrior
    I think that's high. Obviously it depends, but you could double the ctr and send 2 emails a week so that cuts it to 7500 subscribers. I think it would be hard to sell many clickbank products to the same list though.
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  • Profile picture of the author davidverney
    Originally Posted by Rhadoo7 View Post

    How many subscribers do you think are necessary to make 500$ per week by promoting Clickbank affiliate products?

    Based on my experience and calculations - 30,000 subscribers.

    Here are my calculations...let me know if you agree or not.

    - let's say you have 30,000 subscribers and an average clickthrough rate of 6%
    - that means 1,800 clicks
    - in the worst case scenario, the product converts at 1%
    - so that means 18 sales of let's say 30$ commision
    - 18 x 30$ = 540$

    What do you think?
    There's nothing wrong with your Maths. First, though, you need a list of 30,000 subscribers.
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  • Profile picture of the author surfer30
    Its seems great results at the moment, always test and test to achieve more good results, and use pop up which will help you increase optins and Headlines are also important to get people's attention for more optins .
    Good luck man
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  • Profile picture of the author surfer30
    Its seems great results at the moment, always test and test to achieve more good results, and use pop up which will help you increase optins and Headlines are also important to get people's attention for more optins .
    Good luck man
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
    Yes, a Fortune 500 company and a Warrior Forum member are exactly the same thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author longseo
    Interesting calculation. But how can you have "REAL" 30000 subcribers?
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  • Profile picture of the author fulfilledlife
    Alexa actually makes a very good point.

    With list of 30k subscribers the autoresponder fee going to be around $150+ .

    You profit basically will be $350 or about $1400 monthly, this is not business, because you can make more working for minimum wage.

    Your open rates are going to be highly dependent on your contact with your audience (subscribers). For example businesses that host life events with their audience will likely have higher open rates and higher sales %.

    It is just common sense.

    Then there is difference in how you engage your audience. The results will vary drastically between giving free PDF report and offering free online e-course that features video of you talking to subscribers and interacting with them for 3 first month of their subscription.

    Again, just a common sense.

    I think 35% is fairly achievable, anything bellow 20% and it becomes break even/losing and makes no sense investing time in a long term.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Izek
    you are a genius, I think a Mathematician, who is earning $540 per week
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  • Profile picture of the author DaveWarrior
    My 1st email gets 44% open and about 40% of those click so it definitely is possible to do much better than industry stats, but I think it's hard to do that consistently while pushing the cap generally found on clickbank.
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  • Profile picture of the author npoint
    I can only confirm that bigger list doesn`t mean better list (:, I have 60-70% open rate on one of my lists where I have only 200 subscribers at the moment. The list is growing slowly ,couple of subscribers/day but I do it the proper way many experienced Warriors telling here about in a lot of the threads, you must provide top quality valuable freebies first to count on high open rate. Don`t promise the people everything but give them the truth, then fulfil their expectations - this is the recipe for successful email campaign. Don`t focus too much on the size of your list, but on the quality of your list and this what you give your subscribers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris30K
    Originally Posted by Rhadoo7 View Post

    How many subscribers do you think are necessary to make 500$ per week by promoting Clickbank affiliate products?

    Based on my experience and calculations - 30,000 subscribers.

    Here are my calculations...let me know if you agree or not.

    - let's say you have 30,000 subscribers and an average clickthrough rate of 6%
    - that means 1,800 clicks
    - in the worst case scenario, the product converts at 1%
    - so that means 18 sales of let's say 30$ commision
    - 18 x 30$ = 540$

    What do you think?
    30,000 subscribers? Only 500? I've made $1000's online with a list of 300 people, I think it's more about quality than quantity.
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  • Profile picture of the author Luke Dennison
    It depends on so many factors, but I can tell you one thing for free.

    If I had a list of 30,000 subscribers I'd be making a lot more than $500 a week.
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  • Profile picture of the author isaacsmithjones
    Not to be harsh, but this is a bit of a silly question.

    We've all sat at our dining tables with a calculator, working out the bazzilions we could be making "if" this, and "if" that. And yeah, it's fun. but it's a waste of time.

    Forget about the "ifs", and MAKE the numbers work for you.

    It's all well and good that Alexa is a veteran, who clearly knows what she's doing. And the quality of her list, will beat many others to the ground. However, just treat her as evidence that higher conversions are attainable.

    Fair enough, you had your 6% in your mind. Does that mean that you need to raise your goal to 12% or more? Not necessarily.

    It just means that when you hit that 6%, KNOW that you're not at the pinnacle, and push yourself to go further.

    KNOW that the $500 could be 1000... or 2000, or more.

    KNOW that there are other traffic sources, and lead generating mechanisms.

    KNOW that you can always do better.

    So yeah, you "could" earn $500 per week with 30,000 subs.

    You "could" earn $10

    You "could" earn $10,000.

    But who cares about what "could" happen. Work on your business, and you'll know.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaveWarrior
    Also,keep in mind that if you have 30,000 subscribers, you could just filter it down to your 10K most responsive and then build back up to 30,000 and obviously the list would be overall more responsive and you'd get better numbers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Developer99
    I would like 30k list... It would cost about 30k in solo adds jsut to build that!
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    • Profile picture of the author Rhadoo7
      Originally Posted by Developer99 View Post

      I would like 30k list... It would cost about 30k in solo adds jsut to build that!
      I think you can build that with cheaper sources of traffic, and not have to invest so much money.
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  • Profile picture of the author shani99
    I think your numbers are way too off.
    I know a lot of people in email marketing .
    Most of them make 1$ per subscriber .
    Worst case you would make 60 cents per subscriber.
    So according to the size of your list , you should be making about 16 to 17000$ a month if you are doing things right
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