lose faith on email marketing-gonna try sms marketing for clicbank

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I'm promoting a clickbank product as an affiliates

In muscle building niche...

I work my ass to creating a follow up email..


To make sure the quality of my list so

Im sending email everyday mostly daily tips..

And selling just once per week(friday)

So Friday is selling day..

My pre sell copy is simple(just like warrior forum email newsletter)



But at the end of the day the open rate is so low,just 35%...

My conversion just 10%...



Im expecting at least 80% open rate

And 50% conversion


My traffic come from ppc-7search.com

Its highly targeted traffic (targeted keyword ,10 cents per click)



So is there anybody here wanna help me before

I'm changing my marketing route to SMS marketing ?


Some people said open rate is about email headline,

Some people said its about the helpful content for subscriber
(I'm already do it)


So any answer ?

Thanks for reading-have a nice day
#clicbank #email #faith #lose #marketing #marketinggonna #sms
  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

    Im sending email everyday
    Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

    My pre sell copy is simple(just like warrior forum email newsletter)
    Those are very likely to be the two main reasons why what you're doing now isn't working for you, in my opinion.

    I can't sell ClickBank products doing that, either. (To be honest I'm not really convinced that anyone can.)

    Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

    Some people said open rate is about email headline
    That's a very minor, late-stage afterthought which can be relevant to some people, but given your other observations above, I really wouldn't think it has anything much to do with your problem.

    (There are plenty of people who think a 35% open-rate is good. They're all wrong, of course, but there are plenty of them. When you say "10% conversions", I think you probably mean "10% click-through rate", don't you? 10% conversions would clearly be very good).

    Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

    So any answer ?
    A careful read through these six threads may help ...

    What are the essential things to know about list building?

    Lists: How Long to Presell - Averages

    Website or squeeze page

    Where to get reports to give away on opt in page?

    Autoresponders vs. Broadcasts

    Sick of Emails Not Being Opened?


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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFareez
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Those are very likely to be the two main reasons why what you're doing now isn't working for you, in my opinion.

      I can't sell ClickBank products doing that, either. (To be honest I'm not really convinced that anyone can.)

      My answer/question:

      1)hurmmmm.thanks buddy I'm probably gonna tweak my previous sell soon

      2)Well yes for sending email everyday but are you
      trying to say that sending email everyday WITH
      cool tips is not an effective way ?
      So my question is:
      Can you recommend what is the best email timing ?

      That's a very minor, late-stage afterthought which can be relevant to some people, but given your other observations above, I really wouldn't think it has anything much to do with your problem.

      (There are plenty of people who think a 35% open-rate is good. They're all wrong, of course, but there are plenty of them. When you say "10% conversions", I think you probably mean "10% click-through rate", don't you? 10% conversions would clearly be very good).

      My answer:

      Its 10% ctr and 7% conversion

      A careful read through these six threads may help ...

      What are the essential things to know about list building?

      Lists: How Long to Presell - Averages

      Website or squeeze page

      Where to get reports to give away on opt in page?

      Autoresponders vs. Broadcasts

      Sick of Emails Not Being Opened?


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      Extra info:
      im building my email list using squeeze page..

      So is that another reason about why my email campaign is bad ?
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

        Extra info:
        im building my email list using squeeze page..

        So is that another reason about why my email campaign is bad ?
        Not necessarily, no; but it could possibly be a contributory factor - I don't know.

        Plenty of email marketers are making their livings by using squeeze pages and it's clearly a system that can work well enough. (Personally, I do significantly better without them than with them, in all the niches in which I've split-tested, but that's probably mostly about my traffic demographics.)

        Where does most of your traffic come from, Mike, and what's the opt-in rate on your squeeze page?

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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFareez
          [QUOTE=Alexa Smith;9557297]Not nThen ?sarily, no; but it could possibly be a contributory factor - I don't know.

          Plenty of email marketers are making their livings by using squeeze pages and it's clearly a system that can work well enough. (Personally, I do significantly better without them than with them, in all the niches in which I've split-tested, but that's probably mostly about my traffic demographics.)

          Where does most of your traffic come from, Mike, and what's the opt-in rate on your squeeze page?

          My answer:

          My traffic come from ppc=7search.com with targeted keyword

          and high bid about 0.10 cent per click

          My opt in rate is 40%..

          I'm using squeeze page+free report

          So.did I do something wrong here especially about traffic ?

          Based from what you see, at which side should I adjust ?

          Pre selling copy is for sure... Next ?
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

            My traffic come from ppc=7search.com with targeted keyword
            Sorry - you already said this in the OP and I ignored it.

            Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

            My opt in rate is 40%..

            I'm using squeeze page+free report

            So.did I do something wrong here especially about traffic ?
            I've never used 7search, so I can't comment. 40% sounds a perfectly decent conversion-rate for a squeeze page offering a freebie. Apologies, but I don't know what the problem is, here. Looking forward to seeing other, better-informed responses than my own!
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFareez
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              Sorry - you already said this in the OP and I ignored it.



              I've never used 7search, so I can't comment. 40% sounds a perfectly decent conversion-rate for a squeeze page offering a freebie. Apologies, but I don't know what the problem is, here. Looking forward to seeing other, better-informed responses than my own!


              Perhaps I need to adjust:

              1)pre selling copy

              2) injecting personality in my email like sharing personal stories

              3) buy arm(auto responder madness)


              You got any more idea buddy ?
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              • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                Perhaps I need to adjust:
                1)pre selling copy
                2) injecting personality in my email like sharing personal stories
                Perhaps.

                Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                3) buy arm(auto responder madness)
                Is that Andre Chaperon's product? I'm not familiar with it, myself, but I've certainly heard some very good things about it, and I know people who say it helped them significantly.

                Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                You got any more idea buddy ?
                For me, the most important single part of the process, I think, is the extent to which the "free report" I give people in exchange for their email addresses fulfils all the objectives explained here. I think those are the aspects that most directly translate into income from the list.

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                • Profile picture of the author mobileteksters
                  This has been very informative. I'm looking for new sources to drive traffic. I will check out 7search. Currently my site is ranking on the first or second page for competitive keywords. I need to get the click rate up and I want to capture a larger audience.
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                  • Profile picture of the author donsiemen
                    Originally Posted by mobileteksters View Post

                    This has been very informative. I'm looking for new sources to drive traffic. I will check out 7search. Currently my site is ranking on the first or second page for competitive keywords. I need to get the click rate up and I want to capture a larger audience.
                    good to use 7search
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                • Profile picture of the author MikeFareez
                  [QUOTE=Alexa Smith;9558985]Perhaps.



                  Is that Andre Chaperon's product? I'm not familiar with it, myself, but I've certainly heard some very good things about it, and I know people who say it helped them significantly.

                  Yup: its Andre product

                  For me, the most important single part of the process, I think, is the extent to which the "free report" I give people in exchange for their email addresses fulfils all the objectives explained here. I think those are the aspects that most directly translate into income from the list.

                  Question 1=So you trying to say that i need to edit again my opt in report ?

                  Question 2=am i really need to edit again my opt in report because ALL the "things" that "IN"the link that you give to me,im already put it in my FIRST EMAIL...

                  Question 3=based from question 2 i got and idea about adjusting my first email:
                  So What about adjusting again my first email ?
                  Like tell my subscriber to:
                  -always check their email
                  -Why they need to check their email
                  Just some idea that suddenly crossed my mind

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                  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                    Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                    So you trying to say that i need to edit again my opt in report ?
                    I haven't seen it, Mike.

                    I'm just saying that with all mine (in each of my 9 different niches), the way I achieve and maintain a consistently high open-rate for the email series is by ensuring that the "free report" I give people in exchange for their email addresses fulfils all the objectives explained here, and that I think those are the aspects that most directly translate into income from the list.

                    Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                    am i really need to edit again my opt in report because ALL the "things" that "IN"the link that you give to me,im already put it in my FIRST EMAIL...
                    Well, it wouldn't be a big deal to paste them into the report, instead?

                    I do think the report's a much better place for them, because ...

                    (i) People pay more attention to that (it was what they signed up for, after all?), and ...

                    (ii) People send those free reports to their friends, as well, so you may as well try to get the most benefit you can out of them being circulated a bit?

                    Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                    What about adjusting again my first email ?
                    Like tell my subscriber to:
                    -always check their email
                    -Why they need to check their email
                    Just some idea that suddenly crossed my mind
                    Yes - but you need to do a whole lot more than just that.

                    You should tell and show them on the "thank you" page, first, how to make sure they receive your initial email and get it into their inbox (different for gmail users from other systems). And make sure the send the download link to the free report by email, so that you're checking they've actually received an email from you before they can download it. And keep telling them, in each email, in howe many days' time the next one will arrive and what it will contain, so that they're expecting and awaiting each email. It's all about continuity: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6123982

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                    • Profile picture of the author MikeFareez
                      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                      I haven't seen it, Mike.

                      I'm just saying that with all mine (in each of my 9 different niches), the way I achieve and maintain a consistently high open-rate for the email series is by ensuring that the "free report" I give people in exchange for their email addresses fulfils all the objectives explained here, and that I think those are the aspects that most directly translate into income from the list.



                      Well, it wouldn't be a big deal to paste them into the report, instead?

                      I do think the report's a much better place for them, because ...

                      (i) People pay more attention to that (it was what they signed up for, after all?), and ...

                      (ii) People send those free reports to their friends, as well, so you may as well try to get the most benefit you can out of them being circulated a bit?



                      Yes - but you need to do a whole lot more than just that.

                      You should tell and show them on the "thank you" page, first, how to make sure they receive your initial email and get it into their inbox (different for gmail users from other systems). And make sure the send the download link to the free report by email, so that you're checking they've actually received an email from you before they can download it. And keep telling them, in each email, in howe many days' time the next one will arrive and what it will contain, so that they're expecting and awaiting each email. It's all about continuity: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6123982

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                      so im summed it all again...

                      so my mistake and i need to adjust is:

                      1=pre selling copy

                      2=my time about sending email

                      3=injecting personality in my email

                      4=adjust again my opt in report

                      5=im probably need to put how im gonna send my email to my subscriber

                      put it in thank you page,opt in report,first email they recieve



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                      so my list of question is:



                      1=from number 2=

                      you got be kidding me alexa !

                      sending email with valuable tips EVERYDAY is also the reason

                      of my bad email amrketign campaign ? really ?


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                      2=from number 5=

                      is that owkay if i do like that ?


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                      (new question that crossed my mind)


                      3=PAID INFO IS ALWAYS THE BEST !!!:

                      so what is the best courses for email marketing that you can recommend

                      instead of ARM (auto responder madness) that im gonna buy ?

                      ---judging form your replied in WF,i think you are a expert in email marketing,

                      so how much should i pay for coaching personally with you ?



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                      4=MOTIVATION !!!:

                      am i over expecting ?

                      just for boost my motivation:

                      what is the best/maximum open rate and conversion possibly people can achieve ?



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                      5=TRAFFIC TRAFFIC TRAFFIC !!

                      my budget specially for tarffic is 500 dollar..

                      so what kind of traffic source that you can recommend instead of 7search that im used ?



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                      6=BIGGEST QUESTION:OR I NEED TO RESTART ALL OVER AGAIN.

                      im asking it again,like i said before IM BUILDING MY LIST USING SQUUEZE PAGE+FREE REPORT

                      so are you sure that that's not the reason about my bad email marketign campaign right ?

                      in other word:its not about how i build my list but how im "running" my list right ?



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                      7=AM I SELLING TOO FAST !

                      like i said before im sending email everyday-

                      because after they got my first email,then tomorrow im sending my selling email...

                      so is that another reason about my bad email campaign ?



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                      8=am i send them a crappy info tips in opt in or email series ?

                      I ADMIT THAT MOST OF MY OPT IN and EMAIL SERIES TIPS,

                      is the tips that you can find on internet...

                      but !

                      after im sending email,they all reply thanking me

                      so i guess that's not anotehr reason about my abd email marketing campaign... any comment ?
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                      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                        Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                        1=from number 2=
                        you got be kidding me alexa !
                        sending email with valuable tips EVERYDAY is also the reason
                        of my bad email amrketign campaign ? really ?
                        Sorry - I haven't seen your email marketing campaign, so I have no idea what the reasons are for its being "bad".

                        I can tell you a few little things which may be relevant to answering that, though ...

                        (i) What matters is that your email-sending frequency needs to match your subscribers' expectation for your email-sending frequency (i.e. if you're really going to send daily email, make sure they know that, and preferably before they sign up - other wise some will be appalled and promptly unsubscribe, as indeed I would, myself, and as would many of my own subscribers);

                        (ii) Personally, I send email on days 1, 3, 6, 10 and 15 and thereafter at 5-day intervals, with a product recommendation occupying the second half of one email in three. If I send emails much more often than that, I earn less. Both because some (many?) people don't want very frequent email and unsubscribe, and because the remaining ones open fewer emails, click on fewer links, and buy less;

                        (iii) This depends on your traffic demographics, more than on the niche, in my opinion;

                        (iv) There are perhaps no objective, "right answers" to this: it's about "what works for you".

                        Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                        2=from number 5=
                        is that owkay if i do like that ?
                        (If I've understood the question correctly): yes, it would probably be good to mention how often you're going to send email in the "free report" and in the first email. (I don't mention it on the "thank you" page, myself - I don't want anything to detract/distract from the essential, detailed instructions I give there, in words and pictures, on "how people can make certain they receive my emails in their inboxes).

                        Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                        3=PAID INFO IS ALWAYS THE BEST !!!:

                        so what is the best courses for email marketing that you can recommend

                        instead of ARM (auto responder madness) that im gonna buy ?
                        Answered above, I'm afraid: I can't.

                        Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                        ---judging form your replied in WF,i think you are a expert in email marketing,

                        so how much should i pay for coaching personally with you ?
                        With apologies, I have no coaching/teaching services to offer at all. I'm not involved in any IM-related niches at all, and don't wish to be.

                        Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                        4=MOTIVATION !!!:

                        am i over expecting ?

                        just for boost my motivation:

                        what is the best/maximum open rate and conversion possibly people can achieve ?
                        I think it's fair to say that nobody realistically gets 100% open-rates.

                        It's also fair to say that the way they're measured (for various technical reasons) isn't very reliable anyway.

                        I think it's fair, also, to say that open-rates are always going to be higher, rather than lower, than the figure presented to you when you try to measure them.

                        The important thing to know is that you should close your ears when "gurus" tell you utter nonsense along the lines of "25% open-rates are pretty good". Those are people of limited experience, typically building IM/MMO-related lists, from search-engine traffic, opting them in via a squeeze-page (all things that significantly reduce open-rates!).

                        This thread (already mentioned above) says a bit more on this subject: http://www.warriorforum.com/email-ma...ml#post8661178

                        Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                        my budget specially for tarffic is 500 dollar..

                        so what kind of traffic source that you can recommend instead of 7search that im used ?
                        I don't (at the moment) use any paid traffic, myself. I know plenty of people who do, and do fine with it - I'm not criticising it at all - I just don't use it. I invest time, effort, energy and skills instead of money - that's all.

                        I'd need to know far more about what you're promoting to make suggestions.

                        This thread may help: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ffic-tips.html

                        This post, also, perhaps: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8659398

                        Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                        6=BIGGEST QUESTION:OR I NEED TO RESTART ALL OVER AGAIN.

                        im asking it again,like i said before IM BUILDING MY LIST USING SQUUEZE PAGE+FREE REPORT
                        Again, with apologies, nobody can possibly answer this confidently without seeing everything you're doing.

                        Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                        so are you sure that that's not the reason about my bad email marketign campaign right ?
                        I'm sure of nothing.

                        But I know there are huge numbers of people building their lists with squeeze pages and by giving a free report, and making their livings that way, so I must say that it seems very unlikely that those two facts in themselves are the reason it's not working for you.

                        Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                        7=AM I SELLING TOO FAST !

                        like i said before im sending email everyday-

                        because after they got my first email,then tomorrow im sending my selling email...
                        For me, that would be far too fast, and I know that I'd earn only a fraction (a small fraction!) of what I actually earn, if I did that. (That's mostly about my traffic demographics - but I don't know what yours are, really).

                        Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                        8=am i send them a crappy info tips in opt in or email series ?

                        I ADMIT THAT MOST OF MY OPT IN and EMAIL SERIES TIPS,

                        is the tips that you can find on internet...
                        I'm still guessing, but my guess is "yes": that's probably what I'd call "crappy", then. Sorry.

                        As mentioned above, your free report really, really needs to serve all these purposes. This part strikes me as "non-negotiable". One way or another, you have to do those things, for it to work well.

                        Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                        im sending email,they all reply thanking me
                        I'm slightly surprised. But I probably shouldn't really comment, without having seen.

                        Sorry - as you see, there are several of your questions I can't really answer (and I'm not sure others could, either). But I really do think that reading through all the threads I linked to in my replies above is far more likely to help you, overall, than these questions and answers are.

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                        • Profile picture of the author MikeFareez
                          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                          Sorry - I haven't seen your email marketing campaign, so I have no idea what the reasons are for its being "bad".

                          I can tell you a few little things which may be relevant to answering that, though ...

                          (i) What matters is that your email-sending frequency needs to match your subscribers' expectation for your email-sending frequency (i.e. if you're really going to send daily email, make sure they know that, and preferably before they sign up - other wise some will be appalled and promptly unsubscribe, as indeed I would, myself, and as would many of my own subscribers);

                          (ii) Personally, I send email on days 1, 3, 6, 10 and 15 and thereafter at 5-day intervals, with a product recommendation occupying the second half of one email in three. If I send emails much more often than that, I earn less. Both because some (many?) people don't want very frequent email and unsubscribe, and because the remaining ones open fewer emails, click on fewer links, and buy less;

                          (iii) This depends on your traffic demographics, more than on the niche, in my opinion;

                          (iv) There are perhaps no objective, "right answers" to this: it's about "what works for you".



                          (If I've understood the question correctly): yes, it would probably be good to mention how often you're going to send email in the "free report" and in the first email. (I don't mention it on the "thank you" page, myself - I don't want anything to detract/distract from the essential, detailed instructions I give there, in words and pictures, on "how people can make certain they receive my emails in their inboxes).



                          Answered above, I'm afraid: I can't.



                          With apologies, I have no coaching/teaching services to offer at all. I'm not involved in any IM-related niches at all, and don't wish to be.



                          I think it's fair to say that nobody realistically gets 100% open-rates.

                          It's also fair to say that the way they're measured (for various technical reasons) isn't very reliable anyway.

                          I think it's fair, also, to say that open-rates are always going to be higher, rather than lower, than the figure presented to you when you try to measure them.

                          The important thing to know is that you should close your ears when "gurus" tell you utter nonsense along the lines of "25% open-rates are pretty good". Those are people of limited experience, typically building IM/MMO-related lists, from search-engine traffic, opting them in via a squeeze-page (all things that significantly reduce open-rates!).

                          This thread (already mentioned above) says a bit more on this subject: http://www.warriorforum.com/email-ma...ml#post8661178



                          I don't (at the moment) use any paid traffic, myself. I know plenty of people who do, and do fine with it - I'm not criticising it at all - I just don't use it. I invest time, effort, energy and skills instead of money - that's all.

                          I'd need to know far more about what you're promoting to make suggestions.

                          This thread may help: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ffic-tips.html

                          This post, also, perhaps: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8659398



                          Again, with apologies, nobody can possibly answer this confidently without seeing everything you're doing.



                          I'm sure of nothing.

                          But I know there are huge numbers of people building their lists with squeeze pages and by giving a free report, and making their livings that way, so I must say that it seems very unlikely that those two facts in themselves are the reason it's not working for you.



                          For me, that would be far too fast, and I know that I'd earn only a fraction (a small fraction!) of what I actually earn, if I did that. (That's mostly about my traffic demographics - but I don't know what yours are, really).



                          I'm still guessing, but my guess is "yes": that's probably what I'd call "crappy", then. Sorry.

                          As mentioned above, your free report really, really needs to serve all these purposes. This part strikes me as "non-negotiable". One way or another, you have to do those things, for it to work well.



                          I'm slightly surprised. But I probably shouldn't really comment, without having seen.

                          Sorry - as you see, there are several of your questions I can't really answer (and I'm not sure others could, either). But I really do think that reading through all the threads I linked to in my replies above is far more likely to help you, overall, than these questions and answers are.

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                          1) hello alexa..

                          i still remember about last week,

                          that you said thats its hard to find what is the reason

                          about my bad email marketing campaign unless

                          you could see all my entire campaign...




                          2) so right now:

                          i want you to review my campaign...

                          this is how i build my list...

                          go here= trainhardlivesimple.com



                          3) and oppppppss...

                          exit grabber lines is still under construction,

                          so just proceed to stay in page and you will be directed

                          to my opt in page...




                          4) so that's it for now.. please please please

                          give me your HONEST REVIEW/OPINION

                          so i can kill the problem...


                          consider this message "level 1"

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                          5) so my new question right now:

                          this is how im sending my email...

                          let say you subscribe in my email on monday...

                          (automaticly you gonna get free report and first email which is "first impression" email on that day)

                          so wednesday is gonna be selling email

                          and friday is gonna be info email

                          and so on...

                          how about that,is that good ?





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                          5) on the next message im gonna send you

                          *my free report

                          *my first email...

                          consider that "level 2"



                          6) and the next message im gonna send to you my list of email...
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                          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                            Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                            exit grabber lines is still under construction,
                            so just proceed to stay in page and you will be directed
                            to my opt in page...
                            This is no good. At all. Email marketing really isn't going to work for you, if you try to build a list like that. You need a prominently incentivized opt-in on your landing page.

                            Also (please excuse me - I don't mean to sound so rude! ) the site itself is terribly confused and confusing. The top screen looks like a sales-page. I thought you were an affiliate, though? This kind of approach isn't going to work at all. Also, the page is so slow to load that I stayed only because you'd asked me to look: if it had been a normal website I was visiting, I wouldn't have waited for it.

                            The English is awful. You haven't even checked the spelling (apart from the bits you've pasted in from elsewhere, which were presumably checked elsewhere before you took them?). Again, I'm not trying to be rude to you, just hoping you might appreciate that nobody whose first language is English will even be willing to read the page.

                            Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                            let say you subscribe in my email on monday...
                            (automaticly you gonna get free report and first email which is "first impression" email on that day)
                            so wednesday is gonna be selling email
                            and friday is gonna be info email
                            and so on...
                            how about that,is that good ?
                            In itself, it may be ok, "as a timetable". (Personally, I don't try to sell anything quite as quickly as that. But your website looks like a sales page anyway!?).

                            Mike, has anybody ever actually opted in? Do you have a "list" at all??

                            I can't help feeling that you're trying to "run before you can walk", with this site. the problems you have, here, come way before you start thinking about "email marketing" at all. Sorry!

                            Suggestion: start a thread asking for appraisal/comments about your website, with a link to it, in the Copywriting Forum (it's allowed,.there, with a link), to see what other people think of it. Be thick-skinned in reading the comments, and don't get upset/offended. You will get feedback, that way.

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                            • Profile picture of the author MikeFareez
                              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                              This is no good. At all. Email marketing really isn't going to work for you, if you try to build a list like that. You need a prominently incentivized opt-in on your landing page.

                              Also (please excuse me - I don't mean to sound so rude! ) the site itself is terribly confused and confusing. The top screen looks like a sales-page. I thought you were an affiliate, though? This kind of approach isn't going to work at all. Also, the page is so slow to load that I stayed only because you'd asked me to look: if it had been a normal website I was visiting, I wouldn't have waited for it.

                              The English is awful. You haven't even checked the spelling (apart from the bits you've pasted in from elsewhere, which were presumably checked elsewhere before you took them?). Again, I'm not trying to be rude to you, just hoping you might appreciate that nobody whose first language is English will even be willing to read the page.



                              In itself, it may be ok, "as a timetable". (Personally, I don't try to sell anything quite as quickly as that. But your website looks like a sales page anyway!?).

                              Mike, has anybody ever actually opted in? Do you have a "list" at all??

                              I can't help feeling that you're trying to "run before you can walk", with this site. the problems you have, here, come way before you start thinking about "email marketing" at all. Sorry!

                              Suggestion: start a thread asking for appraisal/comments about your website, with a link to it, in the Copywriting Forum (it's allowed,.there, with a link), to see what other people think of it. Be thick-skinned in reading the comments, and don't get upset/offended. You will get feedback, that way.

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                              1) you said prominently incentivized opt in on my landing page,like what ?

                              just redirect straight my visitor/traffic to just a squeeze page+offer which is no

                              need about reveiw site that i do ?

                              or put my opt in box+free report on top of my review site ?

                              so you got any more idea ? <----question 1



                              (i think this is the biggest question because it can "restart" all the thing ESPECIALLY if

                              you say just redirect visitor to squeeze page+offe

                              ----r-but its owkay for me,i need your opinon)






                              2) for your information: yes im an affiliate

                              the reason why im putting my transformation photo on top of my website is to capture

                              visitor attention to "stay" and keep reading the page plus

                              ,to show them that i got experice/result in what im promoting....





                              3) slow to load ?

                              i think i need to contact again my website expert... thanks alexa



                              4) my english is terrible ?

                              i think my translator doing a terrible job... probably need to fix it again....



                              5) ok you said my email sending timeline looks like a timetable:

                              so right now,im thinking about this one...

                              let say somebody subscribed on my email on monday...

                              so wednesday=is free info day

                              friday=is free info day

                              sunday=is free info day

                              tuesday=is selling day


                              so what about that ?

                              3 days giveaways free info before start selling.... <------question 2




                              6)" but the website looks like a salepage ? "

                              try look at anik singal marketing with anik,that guy(big guru)

                              build his list using a salepage(IMO,its a hyped sale video on that)

                              so what is your opinion ?

                              because i heard somebody said that recommend/review site is more powerful than selling...

                              that's why im think im in the right road...

                              hurmmm,... <------quesion 3





                              7) just for your information,and again:the reason why adding a review site is because

                              i just want to show people that i have experience/result...

                              because building a business just using a squeeze page/or squeeze page+free report is too simple...




                              8) do i REALLY have a list ?

                              yes i have a list,just a small list mostly from people in asia...




                              9) thanks for your copywriting forum recommendation
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                              • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                                Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                                1) you said prominently incentivized opt in on my landing page,like what ?
                                Like the wording on what you currently have as a separate opt-in page which people can see only on exiting the site, where you list the benefits of the "free report" you're offering people in exchange for their email address. But show it to everyone, prominently, not only to people when they've already decided to leave the site.

                                Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                                just redirect straight my visitor/traffic to just a squeeze page+offer which is no

                                need about reveiw site that i do ?

                                or put my opt in box+free report on top of my review site ?
                                Put your opt-in box at the top, and have something better than a "review site", so that you can establish credibility and trust without looking like your sole purpose is to make a sale.

                                Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                                the reason why im putting my transformation photo on top of my website is to capture
                                visitor attention to "stay" and keep reading the page plus
                                to show them that i got experice/result in what im promoting....
                                Yes, I understand the point about "experience"/"result" and that can be a very good thing to do: I'm not criticizing that, in itself. The problem here is that you're making what's actually the second-commonest mistake in affiliate marketing, which is "having a site that looks like a sales page". Vendors sell. Affiliates pre-sell. They're totally different functions. Affiliates who try to sell as openly/assertively as you're doing, here, tend to make very few sales.

                                Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                                4) my english is terrible ?

                                i think my translator doing a terrible job...
                                Yes - if you have a translator, he's doing an appalling job and doesn't even spell-check the content (how unprofessional can you get?). Not the original content, anyway. "Google translate" (though it isn't very good at all!) can do a far better job than that. At least its output isn't full of spelling mistakes.

                                Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                                let say somebody subscribed on my email on monday...
                                so wednesday=is free info day
                                friday=is free info day
                                sunday=is free info day
                                tuesday=is selling day
                                Sounds ok to me. It's similar to what I do.

                                Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                                try look at anik singal marketing with anik,that guy(big guru)
                                build his list using a salepage(IMO,its a hyped sale video on that)
                                so what is your opinion ?
                                Personal opinion only: he's not someone for whom I have much respect/trust/confidence at all, myself. His approaches always seem very much "heavy-handed" and terribly old-fashioned, to me. I suspect he teaches things that perhaps worked 10 years ago, when all this was relatively new, and there was much less competition. Again, that's just my perspective.

                                Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                                because i heard somebody said that recommend/review site is more powerful than selling...
                                Pre-selling is better than either, I think. If you start by "looking like an enthusiast" (and you're well-placed to do that), rather than "looking like a promoter" people will trust you more.

                                "Review sites" are an awful, old-fashioned way of trying to make affiliate sales.

                                Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                                i just want to show people that i have experience/result...
                                I agree with that principle, but I don't think this is the way to do that.

                                Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                                because building a business just using a squeeze page/or squeeze page+free report is too simple...
                                Yes, I agree with that, too. (I don't use squeeze pages at all, myself.)

                                Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                                9) thanks for your copywriting forum recommendation
                                Try it! It will help you a lot more than this thread.

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                                • Profile picture of the author MikeFareez
                                  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                                  Like the wording on what you currently have as a separate opt-in page which people can see only on exiting the site, where you list the benefits of the "free report" you're offering people in exchange for their email address. But show it to everyone, prominently, not only to people when they've already decided to leave the site.



                                  Put your opt-in box at the top, and have something better than a "review site", so that you can establish credibility and trust without looking like your sole purpose is to make a sale.



                                  Yes, I understand the point about "experience"/"result" and that can be a very good thing to do: I'm not criticizing that, in itself. The problem here is that you're making what's actually the second-commonest mistake in affiliate marketing, which is "having a site that looks like a sales page". Vendors sell. Affiliates pre-sell. They're totally different functions. Affiliates who try to sell as openly/assertively as you're doing, here, tend to make very few sales.



                                  Yes - if you have a translator, he's doing an appalling job and doesn't even spell-check the content (how unprofessional can you get?). Not the original content, anyway. "Google translate" (though it isn't very good at all!) can do a far better job than that. At least its output isn't full of spelling mistakes.



                                  Sounds ok to me. It's similar to what I do.



                                  Personal opinion only: he's not someone for whom I have much respect/trust/confidence at all, myself. His approaches always seem very much "heavy-handed" and terribly old-fashioned, to me. I suspect he teaches things that perhaps worked 10 years ago, when all this was relatively new, and there was much less competition. Again, that's just my perspective.



                                  Pre-selling is better than either, I think. If you start by "looking like an enthusiast" (and you're well-placed to do that), rather than "looking like a promoter" people will trust you more.

                                  "Review sites" are an awful, old-fashioned way of trying to make affiliate sales.



                                  I agree with that principle, but I don't think this is the way to do that.



                                  Yes, I agree with that, too. (I don't use squeeze pages at all, myself.)



                                  Try it! It will help you a lot more than this thread.

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                                  Done ! I'm updating my review site... Trainhardlivesimple.com so check it out Alexa again.I need your honest advice
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                                    Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

                                    I'm updating my review site... Trainhardlivesimple.com so check it out Alexa again.I need your honest advice
                                    Sorry, Mike, but all I can do, here, is to repeat all my comments above, none of which seems to have "found a home".
                                    • It's much too slow to load
                                    • It's totally the wrong kind of site for an affiliate, because it looks like a sales page
                                    • I'm afraid it has very little credibility
                                    • It isn't even spell-checked, and the English is awful (miles worse than even "Google Translate" would supply)
                                    • Nobody whose first language is English will be willing to read the page
                                    • There's no prominently incentivized opt-in on the home page, and this is a site whose primary purpose should be to collect the visitors' email addresses
                                    Apologies - I know it's not what you want to hear, but the reality is that there won't be any income until you correct these things, and - specifcally - until you have a different kind of site, instead of this. Sorry.

                                    Suggestion (again): start a thread asking for appraisal/comments about your website, with a link to it, in the Copywriting Forum (it's allowed,.there, with a link), to see what other people think of it. Be thick-skinned in reading the comments, and don't get upset/offended. You will get expert feedback, that way (i.e. rather than just mine!).

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                                    • Profile picture of the author discrat
                                      Hey Mike,
                                      This is a confusing Site. Looks like one big sloppy Sales Page to be honest.

                                      You are committing a very Newbie mistake. And it's no big deal because many of us committed it when we first started out .........and that is trying to get immediate Sales.

                                      Mike, this is short term thinking. Believe me, a business founded around this rarely succeeds long term.


                                      I do NOT see any Optin on that Page at all. Am I missing something ??

                                      Mike, having an Optin or Squeeze page is a proven success model developed by others many decades ago.

                                      No need to deviate from this.

                                      Make a compelling Squeeze Page and then on the 'Thank You ' page (after they sign up) you can have more of this stuff you have with your Story etc...)


                                      - Robert Andrew
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                            • Profile picture of the author MikeFareez
                              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                              This is no good. At all. Email marketing really isn't going to work for you, if you try to build a list like that. You need a prominently incentivized opt-in on your landing page.

                              Also (please excuse me - I don't mean to sound so rude! ) the site itself is terribly confused and confusing. The top screen looks like a sales-page. I thought you were an affiliate, though? This kind of approach isn't going to work at all. Also, the page is so slow to load that I stayed only because you'd asked me to look: if it had been a normal website I was visiting, I wouldn't have waited for it.

                              The English is awful. You haven't even checked the spelling (apart from the bits you've pasted in from elsewhere, which were presumably checked elsewhere before you took them?). Again, I'm not trying to be rude to you, just hoping you might appreciate that nobody whose first language is English will even be willing to read the page.



                              In itself, it may be ok, "as a timetable". (Personally, I don't try to sell anything quite as quickly as that. But your website looks like a sales page anyway!?).

                              Mike, has anybody ever actually opted in? Do you have a "list" at all??

                              I can't help feeling that you're trying to "run before you can walk", with this site. the problems you have, here, come way before you start thinking about "email marketing" at all. Sorry!

                              Suggestion: start a thread asking for appraisal/comments about your website, with a link to it, in the Copywriting Forum (it's allowed,.there, with a link), to see what other people think of it. Be thick-skinned in reading the comments, and don't get upset/offended. You will get feedback, that way.

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                              alexa are you there ? i need your reply my previous thread buddy....
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  • Profile picture of the author FreedomBlogger
    Perhaps you should work a bit more on your followups and the relationship you are building with your leads.

    Giving generic tips and just advice - might not be the right way to sell to your list.

    You should try to build good rapport with your leads first - before you try to sell. Giving tips and advice alone - is not a good way to build that rapport.

    You need to be sharing your own stories, which could be related to your niche.

    Talk about how the products you are promoting are also helping you. This is why I always recommend affiliates to buy the products they are promoting FIRST.

    When talking about products - it is important you learn about Features vs Benefits.

    People would listen to personal stories and anecdotes a lot more than just simple generic advice. Get creative with the way you give advice, use stories and examples to entertain people while teaching valuable tips.

    Is all about learning what will work best with your leads. Not everything will work with everybody - you need to find what will work with you.

    I hope this helps!

    I wish you the best of the best!

    Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Zero
    You should be selling in every single email, directly or indirectly.

    Sign up to Ben Settle's list and see how he emails. Its infotainment. He tells people what to do, but not how to do it, that is what the product is for. He emails everyday, he injects every day stories that either relate to him or stuff you may see on the news, on TV, the latest movie and derives some moral that 1 can use to benefit from and links it to his product/.

    If you sign up to his list, he'll give you his first issue of Email Player's newsletter for free as well, which'll give you several email templates you can put to use ( format it for your product ) and take it from there...

    Also, how certain are you the traffic you're getting is high quality and targeted? You want people more likely to buy, not just 1000s of people opting into your list and just being deadwood that never actually buy from you.
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  • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
    Originally Posted by MikeFareez View Post

    I'm promoting a clickbank product as an affiliates
    My traffic come from ppc-7search.com
    Its highly targeted traffic (targeted keyword ,10 cents per click)
    There is nothing highly targeted about traffic that comes from 7 search. I would say its one of the lowest quality sources of traffic you can get. Maybe use a bigger ad spend and use a better traffic source and you might find your conversions to increase significantly.
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    • Profile picture of the author CloudAlien
      Hello Mike,

      I think your problem may be the single channel you're using to market this niche...I'm not bad mouthing 7Search but I always recommend using multiple channels to drive traffic to your squeeze page. For example, when I was running campaigns on a full time basis they would look like the following:

      Channels Offer
      PPC ------------------> Squeeze Page(A/B)
      Facebook------------> Squeeze Page(A/B)
      Twitter----------------> Squeeze Page(A/B)
      CPM------------------->Squeeze Page(A/B)
      PPV-------------------->Squeeze Page(A/B) (variation for PPV)
      Google+--------------> Squeeze Page(A/B)
      Instagram------------> Squeeze Page(A/B)
      Solo Ads-------------> Squeeze Page(A/B)

      Next step is optimization...Which Squeeze Page A or B did the best (Highest CTR) after my test? Which Channel produced the most conversions? Pair the Channel with the best Squeeze Page and let it run.
      What resonates with a PPC audience may be completely different from a Facebook audience.
      BTW, I would outsource most of the above to the Pros who know how to specifically create great squeeze pages, drive PPC & social media traffic and write great copy for Solo Ads. My job was always to find the next offer I wanted to promote. This may sound expensive for a newbie reading this post but if you want a real internet business then you need to invest real money...
      Good Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Content Commando
    inject personality. engage with your audience. I also noticed that you only send emails on Friday. Have you tried other days as well? Perhaps more than one email a week would help as well.

    Build excitement for your product so that your audience is chomping at the bit to read the next one.
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  • Profile picture of the author elcidofaguy
    SMS marketing - that's interesting... I got an SMS the other day from FB with some poncy ad which I found really annoying lol... I'm not convinced SMS is the way to go right now - but I'm sure keen to hear what others think...
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  • The best days to mail clickbank offers are on Satursdays!

    Here is some info I got from some Clickbank Insiders! I hope that this helps!

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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Thesecret2marketing View Post

      Here is some info I got from some Clickbank Insiders! I hope that this helps!
      Apparently it helps to demonstrate that (on that one, unattributed, unquantified split-test from these anonymous "insiders") the day of the week made virtually no difference at all, with a gap of only 0.05% between the first and second days listed.

      Originally Posted by Thesecret2marketing View Post

      The best days to mail clickbank offers are on Satursdays!
      Not my experience at all, by the way.

      Not that it has anything even remotely to do with this thread anyway, needless to say ... still, I suppose it got your signature-file on the board again ...

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  • Profile picture of the author JohnnyPlan
    You've already gotten a lot of really great advice from others so far. And, like some were pointing out, you have a very sales oriented page. For awhile, I thought maybe this was your own product as you do a lot of hard selling on the page. The only part that really caught my attention was your experience with the product. Basically, you're trying to sell the visitors on the idea of buying this product and clicking away from your page onto another site. I'm not sure when they would sign up to your own email list, (as I didn't see an optin box), as the page just goes on and on for miles down. Once they leave, I doubt they would come back to sign up to a list.
    You have to make that a priority.

    Restructure your page to make it easier to locate info. Maybe you could create multiple pages for better organization. Just a lot of work that needs to be done on that page even before you think about trying to advertise for more email subscribers.
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