Things you might not read about Easy Sketch Pro elsewhere and some that you will

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Before I begin this post I'd like to say that I do not wish to offend or "bash" anyone. I will endeavor to maintain a respectful tone, even where some of what I say may be construed as less than flattering. This post is not intended to be about bashing, but about informing. So, having said that...

Before I purchased ESP I had done a trial run of VideoScribe, which is an excellent program - but the price tag was a bit out of reach for me. But as I am interested in a business of video creation and marketing, I try to invest in the best video creation material I can.

I was pleased when I learned of ESP as an affordable alternative to VideoScribe, and the sales video seemed to be frank and honest about areas where it was inferior to VideoScribe - although I can now see that it did not list all areas of such inferiority.

For the price I felt that I could still do what I needed to in order to make some money with it - and I have made some (not a lot) and I'm sure I'll make some more. But I've noticed some issues that I feel need to be mentioned.

Really the "issues" as I see them basically fall into two categories: software issues and marketing issues. I'll start by talking about software issues.

Some of them are things that you may have already read about: For example ESP is very picky about the SVG files it will load. Sometimes you get an error saying that you should make sure the file is a real SVG file and, if it is, that it does not contain groups...

I've discovered that I can usually fix this issue by opening the SVG in InkScape (you can also use Illustrator) and select everything and "Ungroup" - then save the file again, being sure to choose Save As - Optimized SVG.

But there are other issues. Sometimes the SVG loads just fine, but when you run "play", instead of the image being drawn, the screen is blank until the last instant and then the image suddenly appears.

I bought a huge collection of SVG images here on WF and it turns out that I have to go through literally all of them and edit each one because ESP is not handling any of them as they are.

There's another issue that I really do not like. It's the way that the drawing is done on many of the images - and even on the text. Instead of drawing solid lines, ESP likes to draw an outline and then fill it in at the end - whereas VideoScribe will draw a thick line as a single line. This, in my opinion, makes the resultant videos look more amateurish.

Also, when drawing colored images, the program draws a blotchy black and white that never really looks complete, and then the color suddenly fills in all at once.

Even the way that the text is outlined and then filled in - that effect actually doesn't look bad, but I would prefer if it were offered as an option rather than "this is what you're stuck with".

There are a couple of issues when it comes to saving files that I need to mention - the second of which is fairly major, as you will see.

When you save a project, the default extension for ESP files is .skch. If you loaded an SVG file from your PC in your project - say, "mypic.svg", by default when you save the project the program will suggest saving it as "mypic.svg". Now if you assume the program will automatically change the .svg to .skch if you just accept this default - wrong. It will try to save it as "mypic.svg" and, because it's the wrong extension, it will give you an error message.

Not major, but indicative of a programming oversight. What is a bit more major, however, is one that has potential for being seriously problematic:

If you start a project and publish it out to a video - say, "myvideo.mp4", when you go to save the project it will default to saving it as "myvideo.skch". Fine - perfect. That's as it should be. But let's say you do that. Your work is all saved in case you need to tweak it or make changes to the video. Cool...

BUT... you click on "New" and start creating a new project. You publish this project as "myvideo2.mp4" and hit "Save" to save the new project. Does it likewise save "myvideo2.skch"? No... it overwrites your original project - "myvideo.skch" and all of your work on that project is lost forever - in spite of the fact that you had clicked on "New".

OK, on to marketing issues...

Paul Lynch, as you will learn if you become a customer of his and get on his list, is an aggressive marketer. The advice that many of us in the IM world have heard of "for every email you send your list selling them something, send them three or four just offering them something useful" is advice that Paul has either never heard or simply hasn't taken to heart...

But that's fine. I respect that he's a marketer and he's working his business. I could, after all, always unsubscribe from his list. I have not done so up until now because I feared I might miss out on some free upgrade or bug fix.

But here's the thing: ESP2 launches on Tuesday. He isn't offering his existing customers a free upgrade. He says he originally wanted to, but that the cost for him out of pocket to develop the upgrade was over $100k.

I saw a video showing what the upgrade does. It is pretty cool, albeit I don't know what glitches it has, and there was no talk in the sales video of how or if ESP2 fixes any of the aforementioned glitches from ESP.

Some of the things that ESP2 does are effects that I could already achieve by combining my ESP work with Camtasia Studio. But maybe not all.

Here's the thing: Having been a programmer, and seeing some of the programmatic issues with the first edition, all I can say is that if Paul Lynch paid $100k to the same programmer - he got ripped off. With all due respect, I have my serious doubts of that being the case.

Secondly, what current customers are being offered - instead of a free upgrade - is a 25% discount if they buy the software on the first day. You have to buy it the day it comes out to get the discount. This is a marketing tactic to give you less time to think about buying. A sales tactic that goes way, way back. The old, "You have to act now to get the deal" in order to avoid giving you a chance to talk yourself out of buying.

Don't get me wrong - Paul Lynch has every right to charge his customers for an upgrade if that's the way he chooses to do business. Software giants have done it for years. Albeit, in the past existing customers of other software companies got the upgrade at a discount that was not limited to a single day.

However, I feel it would be more fair if there were at least a free upgrade that fixes the bugs in the first one. Even if it doesn't have features of the new upgrade, it should fix the bugs that most of us didn't know about and weren't told about before we purchased ESP.

If you want to make money doing whiteboard animation videos and you're on a limited budget, using ESP might be a viable option for you. But if you're smart, once you do start making some money, you'll want to start investing in VideoScribe.

I hope someone comes up with an affordable alternative to both of these programs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Madam X
    Thanks for informing us of the issues with this program, dbsmitty. I hadn't purchased the first version & now that I've read about all of the problems, I'm wondering if I should buy his new product.

    I realize that all software will have some bugs in it. Good Marketers usually offer their programs at a significant discount (in Beta form) to a small group and then fix the bugs. Doesn't sound like Paul has done this - but, if you can't afford VideoScribe - then you're stuck with a lower quality product. Maybe someone else is currently working on that affordable alternative right now.
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    • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
      Originally Posted by Madam X View Post

      Thanks for informing us of the issues with this program, dbsmitty. I hadn't purchased the first version & now that I've read about all of the problems, I'm wondering if I should buy his new product.

      I realize that all software will have some bugs in it. Good Marketers usually offer their programs at a significant discount (in Beta form) to a small group and then fix the bugs. Doesn't sound like Paul has done this - but, if you can't afford VideoScribe - then you're stuck with a lower quality product. Maybe someone else is currently working on that affordable alternative right now.
      I'd like to think so. I think there would be money to be made if someone could come up with something that is comparable in price and superior in quality.

      Some of the things I've mentioned are things that I've read elsewhere so I know I'm not the only one noticing - such as ESP's apparent difficulty in handling some of the SVG files.

      Also, I think people should bear in mind that the shelf-life for the whiteboard animation is going to be pretty limited. Sure it makes for cool videos, but it's only a matter of time before audiences start to see it as overused. Truth be told, I think some people feel that way already.
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      • Profile picture of the author Gail_Curran
        SVG images have to be created in a very specific way in order to give that nice line drawing effect. In other words, it may not be the ESP software itself but the way the SVG images have been created.

        People selling those SVG collections don't seem to "get" that.

        I bought an SVG collection myself (possibly the same one you refer to in your post) and none of the images I've looked at so far are created in an appropriate way for a sketching program. (I've run into the same problem as you describe using Videoscribe, so the issue is not limited to ESP.)

        It's possible to fix the images to draw nicely, but it's a very labor-intensive job.
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        • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
          Originally Posted by Gail_Curran View Post

          SVG images have to be created in a very specific way in order to give that nice line drawing effect. In other words, it may not be the ESP software itself but the way the SVG images have been created.

          People selling those SVG collections don't seem to "get" that.

          I bought an SVG collection myself (possibly the same one you refer to in your post) and none of the images I've looked at so far are created in an appropriate way for a sketching program. (I've run into the same problem as you describe using Videoscribe, so the issue is not limited to ESP.)

          It's possible to fix the images to draw nicely, but it's a very labor-intensive job.
          Thanks for that info Gail, that actually makes a lot of sense...

          Because mostly I've noticed it on files that have been converted from PNG to SVG. There is a method for doing this that is fairly easy. However, I did notice when I was using VideoScribe that when I created an SVG from scratch, VideoScribe would draw the image exactly as I had. For example if I was drawing a face and I drew the head first, then the eyes, then the nose... VideoScribe would show the hand drawing it in the exact same order.

          And I had wondered about this when I learned about converting other image formats to SVGs. Because obviously, the aforementioned order isn't there the same way...

          Which explains why, in these converted files, the program draws them with the hand darting all over the place. It actually explains a lot.

          I think I know the time intensive method that you're referring to. Whether I'd be willing to do that or not would probably depend on the paycheck. If I were creating a video for a Fiverr gig... definitely would not be worth the time and effort. But if I were creating it for a client who was paying me significantly more, then, yeah. I'd do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author marax
    It looks like another software that can do what ESP2 does will be released next week.
    Maybe ESP2 is being rushed out so that it launches first.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
      Originally Posted by marax View Post

      It looks like another software that can do what ESP2 does will be released next week.
      Maybe ESP2 is being rushed out so that it launches first.
      As I understand it... that other package does not have the sketch to video piece that ESP does. I really like that feature..... As far as the bugs go... I used the first product and while there were hiccups along the way... my videos always turned out great. Yes... enhancements could definitively be made.

      Personally, I don't expect to get free upgrades for life. I think that business model is flawed. Having a new release this soon, though, is a pain. Questionable decision.....

      Here's my real complaint. I just purchased version 2... the discounted price was $29.00. Seems appropriate.... I had forgotten that he has an OTO for "commercial" a license. That cost $66.00 and as for as I could tell... it is not discounted. I am off to vote and I didn't have time to reread the page... Later today I am either going to purchase the OTO or refund the product in protest.... The commercial license rubs me the wrong way.... but if it is not discounted for existing owners... I am probably going to walk...

      cheers,
      chris
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
        One other irritating issue.... as near as i can tell the initial discounted offer is being offered to everyone... rather than just previous owners. Maybe i am missing something?

        cag
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      • Profile picture of the author funprojects
        Originally Posted by Chris Grable View Post

        As I understand it... that other package does not have the sketch to video piece that ESP does. I really like that feature.....
        chris
        You could still do it by making a sketch slide and stitching it up in Camtasia?
        I will wait for Explandio and give Easy Sketch Pro v.1 to my teenage nephew.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    Coupon codes are available for both the non-commercial and commercial license. It's in the email he sent out to buyers of ESP 1.

    But I also got an email from two affiliates that supply the codes and they don't know if I am a previous buyer or not...
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    • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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      Originally Posted by Joan Altz View Post

      But I also got an email from two affiliates that supply the codes and they don't know if I am a previous buyer or not...
      Yeah, they are still sending them out as I just got the previous customer discount code from an affiliate that does not know I am a previous customer. Bogus.

      DiscountJacker if you get my drift...

      Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author solae
    I bought the original version in June 2014 when they did a launch and now less than 6 months later, users are expected to pay for an upgrade. I personally think that this is taking advantage of their customers. I don't mind paying for upgrades but I would expect to get at least a year's worth of use from a software before I am asked to pay again. I did suspect that the discount codes in the email sent to customers is available to everyone (as per Joan's post above). I am still undecided whether I will buy the new version because I feel it is unfair to existing customers. If the discount had been more and not a measly 25%, then it may have been easier to accept.
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  • Profile picture of the author solae
    I just got an email from an affiliate with the discount codes that are meant to be for existing customers. The discount seems to be available to everyone.
    Does anyone know if they intend to continue supporting the original version?
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    • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
      Originally Posted by solae View Post

      Does anyone know if they intend to continue supporting the original version?
      I don't know but I doubt it. I sent Paul Lynch an email some time ago asking him that same question and telling him about some of the bugs (specifically the one where it writes over your old project even after you click on "New").

      He hasn't responded, which - is in itself a response imo.
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  • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
    That Explaindo is looking pretty good to me too. Although I did notice one small flaw in it. Not to be nit-picky but I noticed that there is white space that should have been transparent in one of the hands that was drawing over the live action. Still, it looks like a very superior product. Definitely interested.

    I really liked how Explaindo had that hand that made it look like it was drawing the sketch on glass from the backside. That was a cool effect.

    @funprojects - you could do what Paul Lynch opens his promo video (for ESP2) with using ESP1 with Camtasia. A bit more work I guess, but it's certainly doable. For me personally it's not unusual to combine various tools when working on a project anyway - but I guess it's more convenient to do as much as you can in one piece of software.

    Here's the bottom line for me, when you get right down to it: I mostly like ESP and I do think the price was good. And the price of the upgrade isn't horrible either...

    But I almost just want to not buy it out of protest for the marketing methods being used. And I really don't like that whole commercial license bit. I didn't even find out until just this morning that you would have to pay more if you wanted to use the software commercially. Was it that way with the first ESP? If it was I was unaware of it. And I've already used it commercially but I don't remember seeing anything where I had to have a commercial license to do so.

    I'm not surprised that affiliates are offering the discount to anyone and everyone. I suppose Paul Lynch could claim he didn't know anything about that and for all I know he doesn't. But... respectfully, based on the marketing tactics I've seen with this whole thing I'd be doubtful of that being the case.
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    • Profile picture of the author batchos
      @dbsmitty, yes there was a premium attached for commercial use, so make sure you send Paul Lynch $49.

      Originally Posted by dbsmitty View Post

      And I've already used it commercially but I don't remember seeing anything where I had to have a commercial license to do so.
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      • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
        Originally Posted by batchos View Post

        @dbsmitty, yes there was a premium attached for commercial use, so make sure you send Paul Lynch $49.
        Thanks for that info. Not good news for me. I think I'm gonna stop using it and wait for Explaindio. I'll give it to my step son - he likes playing with it.

        Actually I have VideoMaker FX but I haven't really gotten into using it yet. But as I understand it, it can also make whiteboard animations. But I still need to check it out.
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  • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
    BTW - does anyone have any idea what the price tag on Explaindo is going to be?
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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    @ smitty

    Supposedly the front end will be $37...I don't know what the early bird discount will be (if any).

    OTO1 = $37 --> Downsell $17
    OTO2 = $17 Monthly --> Downsell $9.95 Monthly

    Cheers

    -don
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    • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
      Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

      @ smitty

      Supposedly the front end will be $37...I don't know what the early bird discount will be (if any).

      OTO1 = $37 --> Downsell $17
      OTO2 = $17 Monthly --> Downsell $9.95 Monthly

      Cheers

      -don
      Thanks Don - that's not a bad price at all. Do you know what the OTO's are?
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      • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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        Originally Posted by dbsmitty View Post

        Thanks Don - that's not a bad price at all. Do you know what the OTO's are?
        Here you go:

        OTO1 = Mega Themes and SVGs ---> Downsell - Personal Use

        OTO2 = Slides and SVGs Montly Membership --> Downsell - Personal Use

        Cheers

        -don
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        • Profile picture of the author bizwebman
          I am continually amazed that these marketers release products and make a lot of money from their customers and then have the absolute cheek to not answer emails. I do not buy from people who are to busy promoting and no time supporting.

          I have been using Videoscribe for the last 3 years and yes more expensive I accept that BUT it is fully supported and they are making advances all the time. I like the fact that I can use it safe in the knowledge if anything goes wrong, I will actually get some help.
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  • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
    OK, and this is interesting...

    I just fired up my copy of ESP and got this message: "An upgrade is available. Would you like to upgrade now?"

    I guess I'll probably get that every time I use the program now. There's no option to say "Don't ask me again" so I clicked on "No Thanks", shut the program down and opened it again, and... sure enough. There it is again. It reminds me of the old shareware days where you would use the program and to make the initial popup message go away you had to buy the paid version.

    Except I already paid for this. I shouldn't have to deal with that pop-up every time I start the program. Now I am DEFINITELY not going to buy anything else from him.
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    • Profile picture of the author solae
      Originally Posted by dbsmitty View Post

      OK, and this is interesting...

      I just fired up my copy of ESP and got this message: "An upgrade is available. Would you like to upgrade now?"

      I guess I'll probably get that every time I use the program now. There's no option to say "Don't ask me again" so I clicked on "No Thanks", shut the program down and opened it again, and... sure enough. There it is again. It reminds me of the old shareware days where you would use the program and to make the initial popup message go away you had to buy the paid version.
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      I just checked my copy as well and yes, I get that every time I fire it up. I guess they are trying to get everyone with ESP1 to upgrade. This is one unhappy customer and I can imagine that there will be many more people like me. How I wish some vendors will think long term as opposed to making some short term gains (money).
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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    Well, after purchasing V2 I can't even access V1 anymore. See below:

    Please note that version 2 as overwritten version 1 and therefore you will still see VSK-106 Access Now but please be assured that this is the new updated version.
    So if I wanted to still run ESP1 on a different machine, and needed to download it again, it appears as if I have no access to anything related to ESP1.

    I put a ticket in to ask how I can access ESP1, and what the current ESP1 version number is, and I received what appeared to be a canned response that did not address my questions. I purchased two products so I still should be able to access both products...but by using the same purchase email address ESP2 automatically overwrites ESP1 in the members area.

    That's not what I was looking for...

    I was going to see if I could update ESP1 to the current version of ESP1 is to get rid of the upgrade message...but so far I am unable to do so. Even though I may never use ESP1 again, I paid for it, so I still want access to it.

    Cheers

    -don

    Edit : I see on the FB page the current version of ESP1 appears to be v1.9...
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    • Profile picture of the author peterj
      Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

      .......

      -don

      Edit : I see on the FB page the current version of ESP1 appears to be v1.9...
      Yeah that is the current version.

      haven't purchased ESP2 yet so I could check it.
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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    Thanks.

    Do you still have the update message showing when you start the program?
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    • Profile picture of the author solae
      Yes. I downloaded the latest version today and it still shows.

      Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

      Thanks.

      Do you still have the update message showing when you start the program?
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
      I decided to request a refund. There are just too many distasteful aspects of this. I put a link to this thread in my support ticket so maybe someone will come here and address these issues.

      It would also be interesting to hear from some of the affiliates. I can't help but wonder how happy they are with this... because,at least from my point of view, this reflects equally on them.... particularly those that are unfairing against paid members by circulating the coupon codes.

      Am seriously considering unsubscribing from all those lists. I suspect that nothing will change unless folks are held responsible.

      No... if you are wondering.... I didn't have a bad day <grin>... this has just poked all my right/wrong buttons.

      cheers,
      chris
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    • Profile picture of the author peterj
      Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

      Thanks.

      Do you still have the update message showing when you start the program?
      Yes, as Solae mentioned, the update notice still appears.

      Just debating whether to upgrade or just wait for Explaindio which looks puurtty cool.

      It's not a lot of money but then I don't make that many videos (as Iprobably should).

      Hmmmm....!
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      • Profile picture of the author batchos
        The message still shows on version 1 but the program wouldn't let you upgrade. It take you to the inner riches website, which is a sad thing. I did buy version 2 including the commercial licence.

        I also should state I am mad that I had to fork out almost the same amount for an "upgrade."

        Originally Posted by peterj View Post

        Yes, as Solae mentioned, the update notice still appears.

        Just debating whether to upgrade or just wait for Explaindio which looks puurtty cool.

        It's not a lot of money but then I don't make that many videos (as Iprobably should).

        Hmmmm....!
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        • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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          Originally Posted by batchos View Post

          The message still shows on version 1 but the program wouldn't let you upgrade. It take you to the inner riches website, which is a sad thing. I did buy version 2 including the commercial licence.

          I also should state I am mad that I had to fork out almost the same amount for an "upgrade."
          Yeah, new buyers only paid only $7.75 more than ESP1 owners did, and in some cases the new buyers paid the same low price in the instances where affiliates sent the discount code to people that did not own ESP1. Not too cool after purchasing ESP1 just months earlier. ESP1 + ESP2 - $7.75 = quite a bit more than ESP2 buyers are paying today.

          Now that I can't update ESP1 to the latest version or access all of the resources that came with it --> I think am going to ask for a refund on ESP1 IF they can't give me and updated 1.9 version and the resources it came with originally.

          I know it's not a large sum of money, but like a few others, I am not entirely pleased with how this went down especially not that I have lost access to my ESP1 purchase.

          Cheers

          -don
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          • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
            Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

            I think am going to ask for a refund on ESP1 IF they can't give me and updated 1.9 version, and the resources it came with originally.

            Cheers

            -don
            I don't blame you. I'm curious to hear how that goes for you.
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            • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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              Originally Posted by dbsmitty View Post

              I don't blame you. I'm curious to hear how that goes for you.
              The ESP folks have taken care of me as I have been given access to ESP1 V1.09 (the latest version of ESP1) so I am happy about that. FWIW, if I purchase a commercial license from my membership area the price is $45.

              Best of luck to all

              -don
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              • Profile picture of the author peterj
                Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                The ESP folks have taken care of me as I have been given access to ESP1 V1.09 (the latest version of ESP1) so I am happy about that. FWIW, if I purchase a commercial license from my membership area the price is $45.

                Best of luck to all

                -don
                Before they sent you the updated ESP1 did it run ok alongside ESP2 and now with the updated version of ESP1 can you install that on a separate machine?

                Cheers

                Pete
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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    @ smitty

    Yeah, VMFX can do some relatively simple whiteboard stuff. FWIW, the ESP commercial license was available on the upsell.

    Cheers

    -don
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  • Profile picture of the author funprojects
    Indeed, there is a pop-up when you launch the software. On the FB page the owner says "There are no plans to cease support of ESP 1.".

    However, there normally is (or should there be?) a significant difference in the cost of an upgrade and purchasing a radically new product. Hate to kvetch but this artificial pressure (purchase now, or in 1 day the coupons will be gone) is just infuriating. The worst thing it is normalising an instance of poor business practice, and if this goes down unchallenged, more or more product creators will go this way. And who can blame them?

    P.S. The latest update in the membership site is 1.09; yet you guys and the product creator on FB talk of 1.9 version. Am I missing something?
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  • Profile picture of the author GlobalTrader
    Thank you so very much for posting one of the MOST HONEST reviews - REAL review, if you will of yet another software product. Most so-called reviews are merely affiliate/reseller promotionals....what you have provided is one of the most sincere and honest appraisals I have read in many years!
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    • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
      Originally Posted by GlobalTrader View Post

      Thank you so very much for posting one of the MOST HONEST reviews - REAL review, if you will of yet another software product. Most so-called reviews are merely affiliate/reseller promotionals....what you have provided is one of the most sincere and honest appraisals I have read in many years!
      Thanks. I know what you mean. It's frustrating because it used to be that if you wanted to know how good or bad something was you could just do a Google search and find out what people really had to say. Not anymore.

      Personally I think if more reviewers posted more honest reviews they'd get more sales in the long run. Several years ago I did some volunteer work at a fireworks booth. Because I'm kind of a pyro myself I tried out a lot of the fireworks...

      When people came to the booth and asked about different ones I would say, "No that one's not so good - but this one's pretty cool." And people always bought pretty much whatever I recommended.

      Albeit, they were there to buy anyway so I'm not saying I'm this great salesman. But I do think the same principle applies. You're more likely to buy from someone you trust.

      Just my two cents on the subject.
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  • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
    You know, there's something else I just discovered today. Because up until now I've really only used images from the library, or SVGs from a pack that I bought, or SVGs that I had converted from other image formats...

    Because I like the way SVGs that are created from scratch are drawn by the software much better, I decided to make some from scratch myself. Being careful to make sure that everything is ungrouped and to save it as an optimized SVG.

    I think I mentioned earlier that I use InkScape. I don't know if the results would be the same with Illustrator. Anyway, what I discovered was this:

    If I used any color in my SVG at all, ESP would not load it. Now, I have created SVGs from scratch like this when I was trying out VideoScribe and it wasn't a problem. So I don't think the issue is with InkScape - I think it's with ESP.

    As long as I make the image black and white only, it will work. But as soon as I try to add color, ESP doesn't like it.

    I haven't had any problem converting another image file type with color to SVG and loading it into ESP. But... like I've said, I don't care for the way they are drawn by Mr. Hand in ESP.

    There is a work-around for this, but it's a pain. Basically you create the SVG in black and white and then add the color and save it as a PNG or some other image type. Then you have the PNG load after the SVG and make it so that it fades in. To do this, you have to match the two up - making sure to put the PNG exactly on top of the SVG in ESP.

    But it kinda sucks to have to jump through all those hoops.
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    • Profile picture of the author peterj
      Originally Posted by dbsmitty View Post

      You know, there's something else I just discovered today. Because up until now I've really only used images from the library, or SVGs from a pack that I bought, or SVGs that I had converted from other image formats...

      Because I like the way SVGs that are created from scratch are drawn by the software much better, I decided to make some from scratch myself. Being careful to make sure that everything is ungrouped and to save it as an optimized SVG.

      I think I mentioned earlier that I use InkScape. I don't know if the results would be the same with Illustrator. Anyway, what I discovered was this:

      If I used any color in my SVG at all, ESP would not load it. Now, I have created SVGs from scratch like this when I was trying out VideoScribe and it wasn't a problem. So I don't think the issue is with InkScape - I think it's with ESP.

      As long as I make the image black and white only, it will work. But as soon as I try to add color, ESP doesn't like it.

      I haven't had any problem converting another image file type with color to SVG and loading it into ESP. But... like I've said, I don't care for the way they are drawn by Mr. Hand in ESP.

      There is a work-around for this, but it's a pain. Basically you create the SVG in black and white and then add the color and save it as a PNG or some other image type. Then you have the PNG load after the SVG and make it so that it fades in. To do this, you have to match the two up - making sure to put the PNG exactly on top of the SVG in ESP.

      But it kinda sucks to have to jump through all those hoops.
      I draw my own toons in Illustrator and if I hand colour a section of the toon so that it looks like the hand is drawing the colour fill, ESP1 confuses the order a bit. It might continue drawing the rest of the black outline in the fill colour and then when finished revert to the proper colours.

      If I create a toon with block fills it draws ok with the colour appearing at the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
    I'm glad you got your refund, Chris.

    It seems like there are a lot of people who are saying that they're not happy with the marketing tactics but went ahead and purchased the software anyway because it wasn't that expensive. Maybe I'm too "principled" or something, but I just refuse to buy it.

    Kinda wondering how the release of Explaindio will affect there being a future release of ESP3 or what that will look like. Should be interesting.
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    • Profile picture of the author marax
      Originally Posted by dbsmitty View Post

      It seems like there are a lot of people who are saying that they're not happy with the marketing tactics but went ahead and purchased the software anyway because it wasn't that expensive. Maybe I'm too "principled" or something, but I just refuse to buy it.
      You are not alone. I'm not going to buy as well.
      I won't be surprised when there comes a version 3,4,5 in future and buyers have to rebuy again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
      Originally Posted by dbsmitty View Post

      I'm glad you got your refund, Chris.

      It seems like there are a lot of people who are saying that they're not happy with the marketing tactics but went ahead and purchased the software anyway because it wasn't that expensive. Maybe I'm too "principled" or something, but I just refuse to buy it.

      Kinda wondering how the release of Explaindio will affect there being a future release of ESP3 or what that will look like. Should be interesting.
      Yes... I wasnt particlarly bothered by the $29 price... it was the $80 commercial license that irritated me....

      cag
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  • Profile picture of the author ecdavis
    I also wanted to thank everybody for their input. I also received an email from an affiliate, have been to the sales page and have been considering buying. The comments here have been helpful. Still not sure. May pass this one up.

    Evan
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  • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
    I just read somewhere else where someone made an excellent point: He said, it didn't cost anything more in development costs to provide the commercial license, so why should existing customers who already owned the first commercial license have to pay for a commercial license again?

    Touche.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
      I wish I understood why this is under my skin as much as it is.... I just unsubscribed from the 6th list of affiliates promoting this product. Just my small attempt at making things better.

      cag
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      • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
        Originally Posted by Chris Grable View Post

        I wish I understood why this is under my skin as much as it is...
        It's gotten to me too. I've been going on in this discussion in two places - here, and in the comments on the YT video that Paul Lynch made for his customers that explains how to use the coupon codes...

        More there than here, there are people speaking in PL's defense saying essentially, the price is so low for what you get and he could have charged so much more, etc. And you know... I actually agree with that. But it isn't the price that bugs me. It's the marketing tactics that I find distasteful. He could have charged a lot more and had a more ethical and honest approach to marketing and I wouldn't have complained.

        I started my initial post here trying hard to maintain a respectful tone. And it's not that I want to now swing completely the other way and go on a bash-fest, but there's a difference between voicing your opinion in a respectful manner and having respect. I don't have respect for shady ways of doing things.

        But it also kind of bugs me when people start saying, in essence, "Well, it's really cheap so you have no right to complain." Really? Is cheap the only thing that matters to those people? Why don't they just pirate all of their software if that's how they feel? (Not that I would really recommend that.) But seriously - does it not matter to them whether or not they're buying from someone who is trustworthy?

        Idk. I guess it takes all kinds.
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
          Its just one of those things. Just.like the old "saying"-- opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one abd they all stink. Its a shame though when point - counter point goes down in flames.

          I subscribed from about 10 lists. Many are no loss. Todd Gross though I am going to miss. He seems to get involved in everything cool and I like his methods. The real killer for me was Barb Ling. Will really miss her emails.

          Cheers
          chris

          Originally Posted by dbsmitty View Post

          It's gotten to me too. I've been going on in this discussion in two places - here, and in the comments on the YT video that Paul Lynch made for his customers that explains how to use the coupon codes...

          More there than here, there are people speaking in PL's defense saying essentially, the price is so low for what you get and he could have charged so much more, etc. And you know... I actually agree with that. But it isn't the price that bugs me. It's the marketing tactics that I find distasteful. He could have charged a lot more and had a more ethical and honest approach to marketing and I wouldn't have complained.

          I started my initial post here trying hard to maintain a respectful tone. And it's not that I want to now swing completely the other way and go on a bash-fest, but there's a difference between voicing your opinion in a respectful manner and having respect. I don't have respect for shady ways of doing things.

          But it also kind of bugs me when people start saying, in essence, "Well, it's really cheap so you have no right to complain." Really? Is cheap the only thing that matters to those people? Why don't they just pirate all of their software if that's how they feel? (Not that I would really recommend that.) But seriously - does it not matter to them whether or not they're buying from someone who is trustworthy?

          Idk. I guess it takes all kinds.
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        • Profile picture of the author ecdavis
          Originally Posted by dbsmitty View Post

          But it also kind of bugs me when people start saying, in essence, "Well, it's really cheap so you have no right to complain."
          Keep in mind that many Internet marketers are surrounded by a retinue of people --shills for lack of a better word--whose function is to drown out critical response no matter how valid. What you said above captures, in my opinion, the essence of many Internet marketing promotions.
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          • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
            Originally Posted by ecdavis View Post

            Keep in mind that many Internet marketers are surrounded by a retinue of people --shills for lack of a better word--whose function is to drown out critical response no matter how valid. What you said above captures, in my opinion, the essence of many Internet marketing promotions.
            Interestingly enough, though - it was a guy who had made this argument that came back later and made the point that he shouldn't have to pay for the commercial license a second time. Which I thought was pretty funny.
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      • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
        Originally Posted by Chris Grable View Post

        I wish I understood why this is under my skin as much as it is.... I just unsubscribed from the 6th list of affiliates promoting this product. Just my small attempt at making things better.

        cag
        It is such an interesting post from the point of view of "How to keep customers happy"

        It is fantastic that you took a moral stand on the issue.

        I wasn't going to upgrade but I did but not the commercial license based on principle but I wanted to use some of the features.

        The thread really provided an education in how easy it is to piss off existing customers by the way they are treated NOT the COST of the upgrade.

        This will really help me with support for my existing customers who I'm sure sometimes feel neglected.

        Thanks Chris.

        Hope you get a free upgrade from ESP just for the light you've been on the way people really react to somewhat neglectful marketing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
          Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

          Hope you get a free upgrade from ESP just for the light you've been on the way people really react to somewhat neglectful marketing.
          LOL... that's a nice thought Oziboomer but I am thinking that it is not likely.

          Cheers,
          chris
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  • Profile picture of the author funprojects
    It won't help to unsubscribe; am I the only one haunted by google ads with the discount code stamped on the banner?
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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    Yeah, they seemed to run fine alongside each other and now that I have installed the new version they are both running as well. When I installed v1.09 the ESP2 desktop shortcut now opens ESP1 but both .exe files are in the same installation folder so I created new shortcuts and all is good. As others have mentioned, I do get the upgrade notification every time I open ESP1 though...

    I am not sure how the licensing verification system works and I have not yet installed one of the programs on a different machine. I am sure either of them will run on a different machine but I don't know if they will have to reset my license, as I can't remember if these are single machine licenses or not, and I don't know what type of security they are using.

    I told them what I wanted to do and then they sent me the current version of ESP1 so I don't think it will be a problem.

    Cheers

    -don
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    • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
      Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

      I am not sure how the licensing verification system works and I have not yet installed one of the programs on a different machine. I am sure either of them will run on a different machine but I don't know if they will have to reset my license, as I can't remember if these are single machine licenses or not, and I don't know what type of security they are using.
      I've been using ESP1 on both my laptop and my PC from the beginning.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    I still bought ESP 2 for the sketch to video effect...but I'm really looking forward to buying Explaindio. It does VMFX and ESP combined, but only not the sketch to video, and can import the VMFX slides as well. Just saw the Todd Gross demo and it looks like a great tool so far. Early bird price $29 and includes a commercial license. Launch date, Nov. 11th at 11:00 am EST.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kuma
    K.O. decision for me:
    -Any vendor selling his software in June 2014 and not offering a free or fair upgrade/update option to his customers is out for me.
    -"Commercial" licenses for more than double than the basic version likewise is counted out.
    -Software issues like uncommon file formats also get a big NO.

    I could add a few more but dbsmitty has set the standard for this thread.Thank you very much for this.
    I will wait for Explaindio.
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  • Profile picture of the author kayoz
    I bought the original ESP version and it sucked. The drawing process as you mention was very amateurish and I tossed it. I've had video scribe and although there are some fixes they could make, it's a far superior product. I then purchased ESP2 thinking they'd made some nice upgrades. I've had it a week and can't even get it to install properly. For some assinine reason they are forcing a verification with their servers...seriously? On a $29.00 product? LOL but they haven't configured the software or the servers properly and are having massive numbers of support tickets to get the product to even run! I've submitted 3 support tickets and they do respond but always with the same answer which didn't work the first time. They tell me they can connect using my credentials just fine. Well whop de do...how does that help me? Anyhow, I went to their facebook page to see if anyone else was having this problem and the page is swamped with complaints of the software not saving and loads of other issues. I don't know what's going on but in the past couple months almost every software I've purchased from marketers has had more issues that benefits. Half of it doesn't run at all. Some of it isn't even complete and they're selling it. I suppose to recoup expenses so they can complete production. Mobi Catch was a nightmare. NOthing worked, their APP was only for iPhone and it didn't work right either...and they expected people to go sell this to their customers.

    Personally, my opinion is, if you don't know the first thing about coding, and you aren't a software expert, stay the hell away from designing complex software. Yeah, you'll get some tech telling you he can do it for peanuts, but that's because you're not able to tell him in detail what you want and what you expect. He's not a mind reader...and if you can't speak his language, he can't design what you want, only what you tell him. So in the end those peanut prices turn into thousands of dollars. Or, you sell software with this splashy video that makes it look like it works, and then piss off every buyer and customer you have. I'm at a point now were I refuse to buy software from anyone who isn't programming it themselves...or that I can at least feel comfortable that they at least know the terrain and what they're doing. Making money should NOT be the primary objective. Delivering a quality product should be the objective, then the money will follow.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
      I agree completely. I would add these few additional thoughts. Even if you can bring experienced coders to the team... that doesn't mean you have the resources to architect the total system. In this case we have relatively complex licensing and update features that rely on connectivity across a broad array of computers, operating systems, services and settings. To be clear and open... I have just about exhausted my own knowledge with that sentence but I have managed enough projects to know that its more than just software.

      I also wonder if some of these developers fall in with super affiliates who then start to drive the development schedule to fit products into "gaps" in the global product release calendar or to accommodate their own marketing strategies. I have know first hand knowledge of this but from watching the industry... it all seems somewhat more than coincidental.

      This has been an interesting thread. Its nice to see folks offer opinions without it becoming a bitch-fest or a flame war.

      Cheers,
      chris

      Originally Posted by kayoz View Post

      I bought the original ESP version and it sucked. The drawing process as you mention was very amateurish and I tossed it. I've had video scribe and although there are some fixes they could make, it's a far superior product. I then purchased ESP2 thinking they'd made some nice upgrades. I've had it a week and can't even get it to install properly. For some assinine reason they are forcing a verification with their servers...seriously? On a $29.00 product? LOL but they haven't configured the software or the servers properly and are having massive numbers of support tickets to get the product to even run! I've submitted 3 support tickets and they do respond but always with the same answer which didn't work the first time. They tell me they can connect using my credentials just fine. Well whop de do...how does that help me? Anyhow, I went to their facebook page to see if anyone else was having this problem and the page is swamped with complaints of the software not saving and loads of other issues. I don't know what's going on but in the past couple months almost every software I've purchased from marketers has had more issues that benefits. Half of it doesn't run at all. Some of it isn't even complete and they're selling it. I suppose to recoup expenses so they can complete production. Mobi Catch was a nightmare. NOthing worked, their APP was only for iPhone and it didn't work right either...and they expected people to go sell this to their customers.

      Personally, my opinion is, if you don't know the first thing about coding, and you aren't a software expert, stay the hell away from designing complex software. Yeah, you'll get some tech telling you he can do it for peanuts, but that's because you're not able to tell him in detail what you want and what you expect. He's not a mind reader...and if you can't speak his language, he can't design what you want, only what you tell him. So in the end those peanut prices turn into thousands of dollars. Or, you sell software with this splashy video that makes it look like it works, and then piss off every buyer and customer you have. I'm at a point now were I refuse to buy software from anyone who isn't programming it themselves...or that I can at least feel comfortable that they at least know the terrain and what they're doing. Making money should NOT be the primary objective. Delivering a quality product should be the objective, then the money will follow.
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  • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
    @kayoz - I agree too. And I think maybe what happens is that sometimes marketers might find the cheapest developers they can and not necessarily the best ones...

    I mentioned that I used to be a programmer. I was not a senior level programmer, to be honest - probably about a high junior or low mid-level programmer at the height of my career (was making 60k at the time) before the dot com bubble burst. But some of the things I noticed in ESP1 were real rookie type mistakes. Albeit, I was never a graphics programmer so I'm not saying it was something I could do (if I could, I would). But... that's why I didn't believe Paul's claim that development of ESP2 cost him 100k of his own money. I could see that being the case if he'd hired a seasoned developer or team. But from what I saw in ESP1 I had my doubts about that - and from what you've said about version 2 it sounds like it continues to be the case.

    I still do think that ESP1 was good for what it cost. And like I've said, I can use it and work in other programs and still make decent videos. No, I don't like the way it draws SVGs that have been converted from other image types - but from what I've heard from others that's probably more a file issue than a software issue. And I REALLY don't like the fact that you can't create an SVG from scratch that has color in it and load it into the program. But... I can work around that too. Bottom line, though - I have my hopes up about Explaindio. I sure do hope it doesn't disappoint.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
      Originally Posted by dbsmitty View Post

      ...And I REALLY don't like the fact that you can't create an SVG from scratch that has color in it and load it into the program. But... I can work around that too. Bottom line, though - I have my hopes up about Explaindio. I sure do hope it doesn't disappoint.
      Maybe I misunderstand your point but... I was looking at the package of free SVGs that Paul sent out today and many or all of them are multi-colored images. I have not paid all that close of attention to the previous ones.

      cag
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      • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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        Originally Posted by Chris Grable View Post

        Maybe I misunderstand your point but... I was looking at the package of free SVGs that Paul sent out today and many or all of them are multi-colored images.
        Originally Posted by dbsmitty View Post

        Yeah, I got those and it handles them just fine.
        Hey Chris or dbsmitty,

        I was just wondering what list you got on to get that email? I ended up getting a copy of it through the support desk but I have not received anything in the email from Paul and I own both ESP1 and ESP2. I see that email also mentioned a minor update already.

        Thanks,

        -don
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
          Don, I dont remember how I git on it... will go back through my records tonight tonsee if I can figure it out... there have been a handful at keast. Did you get any of the others...?

          Chris
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          • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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            Originally Posted by Chris Grable View Post

            Don, I dont remember how I git on it... will go back through my records tonight tonsee if I can figure it out... there have been a handful at keast. Did you get any of the others...?

            Chris
            No, I don't think so and I would appreciate any info you can dig up. If you could PM me the email address it's sent from I can ask at the support desk if I am supposed to be on the list.

            Not sure what's going on...maybe I unknowingly unsubscribed sometime in the past.

            Thanks,

            -don
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    • Profile picture of the author batchos
      Originally Posted by dbsmitty View Post

      I have my hopes up about Explaindio. I sure do hope it doesn't disappoint.
      This is IM; don't set your hope too high. At the expected price point, I don't think you will be getting the "final" version.
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  • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
    Yeah, I got those and it handles them just fine. But for whatever reason, when I create an SVG in InkScape and put color in it, ESP refuses to load it. It gives this message saying if it's an SVG file make sure there are no groups or transitions. I do everything else the way I'm supposed to, as I understand it. I save it as an optimized SVG, make sure the correct options are selected, etc. There's no problem if it's in black and white but when I add color - it just doesn't like it.

    Maybe if I were using Illustrator instead of InkScape it would work - don't know. I just know that it doesn't work with what I have.

    Too bad, too because I was considering creating my own collection of SVGs and making my own product of them. I guess I could still do it with b&w, but... that just sucks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
      Ah!! I understand now. I never did have any luck converting ANY type of file to SVG with Inkscape. Even when it acted like it worked... it didn't. Brad Grosse has a line of vector based toons that are all in pdf format. Never could figure out how to convert them. Even asked ESP support... they pointed me to Inkscape....

      So much potential... so little planning and service....

      cag
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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    Thanks, Chris. Cheers.

    -don
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    For those of you holding on for Explaindio, you made a good decision. We just received a review copy of it today (licenses for review copies expire in about a week), and Explaindio is a much more professional piece of software than either ESP2 or VMFX.

    It has more options and finer control over the elements you add to any canvas scene. Each element is an individual slide within a scene. Elements aren't grouped together as a single canvas slide like in ESP2. This means you can apply effects on each of the elements - text, image, video - individually, separately from the other elements.

    For example, I can add a sketch scene with a guy holding a blank sign (slide 1) and then add a text slide (slide 2) and position it within the blank sign. Then I can have that text slide disappear if I want or have a hand come in and grab it away, and then add a new text slide (slide 3) to the sign, which will appear after the first text slide disappears.

    Much more professional by far and some of you are going to really love this program. Others may struggle a little at first, because with more options there is of course a higher learning curve. But really, this is simple to use and you just need to get in there and play around with it. You won't cause the earth to explode if you mess up.

    Explaindio also has an "Outline" options tab for each slide. After you load an animation slide like you see in VMFX, this outline option allows you to make size and position adjustments to the animation elements.

    You would use this for when you add an image or video as a background to the animation slide and you need to move an animation text element to a different location so it doesn't obstruct the view of something in the image or video you want to show (just one usage example).

    Another plus...Explaindio allows you video duration control within each slide. You can adjust duration up to 100 seconds for the video you add, per slide. So as long as you have the beginning of your video right for when it starts to play, you don't need to do a lot of video splitting or trimming before adding it to a slide, because you can simply adjust the end point in the software itself.

    So far that's all I have as a review. It works flawlessly as of now. No bugs to report yet and I'm definitely buying a copy Tuesday.
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  • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
    Thanks for that info, Joan. I am definitely gonna be all over it!
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
      Originally Posted by dbsmitty View Post

      Thanks for that info, Joan. I am definitely gonna be all over it!
      Ditto!!! Great review Joan. I am really glad that I backed out of ESP when I did. Makes you wonder if they rushed it to market thinking that it would not have much of a future, without almost total revision.

      Thanks again!

      Chris
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      • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
        Originally Posted by Chris Grable View Post

        Ditto!!! Great review Joan. I am really glad that I backed out of ESP when I did. Makes you wonder if they rushed it to market thinking that it would not have much of a future, without almost total revision.

        Thanks again!

        Chris
        That's what I think, too. In fact someone early on in the thread speculated that they may have rushed the release of ESP2 to get it out before Explaindio. I think they were right.

        I got to thinking about what you said, Chris - about the future. It made me wonder if I could use the software offline. I had never tried it before. It starts with a login - but so does VideoScribe, but you can use VideoScribe offline...

        So I disabled my internet and tried it and, sure enough, you cannot use the software if you are not connected to the internet.

        What's that have to do with their future? Well... if they don't have much of a future - or to put a finer point on it - if the server is suddenly no longer there for you to log into, the ESP software is rendered useless.

        Obviously I can't say if this is the case with ESP2 since I didn't buy it. But I suspect it is.

        I'm really stopping and thinking now. It would make sense that Paul Lynch et al were acting fast to clean up while they could. It would explain some of their methodology as well as answer something I've sort of been wondering about: Why haven't they really responded to any of the public criticism? At least not that I'm aware of.

        I mentioned before how PL put out a video on YouTube and sent his customers of ESP1 the link, and there was this whole conversation going on there - including some comments about the marketing that didn't appeal to a lot of people. He never jumped in on any of it.

        Also I've noticed plenty of times here on WF - when someone starts talking about a product or a membership site (or whatever) and there's questions or criticisms, it usually doesn't take very long before the owner/creator of the product or site comes on and tries to clarify and/or do some damage control. That hasn't happened here on this thread. Does that seem strange to anyone else?

        Idk - I'm a little curious now to see what's a few months down the road. But I can tell you this: If I had known when I bought ESP1 that using the software would be contingent upon logging into a remote server somewhere, I believe I would have thought twice.
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        • Profile picture of the author ironwood
          If price were not the main criteria would Video Scribe appear to be the best
          program available? Does it have all the options that seem to be missing or
          not effective in the low priced programs that we are all investigating?

          In other words if the work you were producing justified the expense would
          Video Scribe be the way to go or is there something else?

          Thank you for your opinions.

          Chet Hastings
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          • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
            Originally Posted by ironwood View Post

            If price were not the main criteria would Video Scribe appear to be the best
            program available? Does it have all the options that seem to be missing or
            not effective in the low priced programs that we are all investigating?

            In other words if the work you were producing justified the expense would
            Video Scribe be the way to go or is there something else?

            Thank you for your opinions.

            Chet Hastings
            I can only compare VideoScribe to ESP1 because those are the only two that I've used. But if I were producing videos and making some decent revenue from it I would say that the expense for VideoScribe would absolutely be justified.

            Not only does it offer multiple hands to choose from (ESP1 only offers 1 - I understand that ESP2 has 50) but you can use a custom hand. So if, for example, you wanted to come up with a cartoon hand... you could do that.

            Also VideoScribe can do HD videos, which ESP1 cannot. Idk about ESP2 but since I didn't hear that mentioned as a selling point for the upgrade I would doubt that it does. The HD could be important if you have high-ticket clients - which, I would think we would all like to have. Unless you're comfortable with just making videos as Fiverr gigs - or whatever.

            VideoScribe also has a much bigger library of images and background music. It also categorizes the music from the most soft to the most "peppy" and in between. So you can go right to what you're looking for depending on the "mood" of your video.

            The importance of the images built into the library is one that was of some discussion earlier in this thread - that fact that images converted from other file types don't get "drawn" as well in the video; the hands jumps all over and it's all blotchy looking and then the image suddenly appears in finished form. I've also noticed detail filling in by itself without the hand going there.

            If you buy SVGs online you really don't know what you're getting. Are they SVGs made from scratch that will look nice in the video, or are they ones that were converted from other file types that will look bad? And, as previously mentioned, I purchased a huge SVG package that ESP wouldn't even handle.

            Also, I didn't mention this in my initial review... it's a small detail but it's worth mentioning: In ESP when the hand pushes something onto the screen, it doesn't then draw back - it just disappears. Whereas in VideoScribe it draws back. As it should, imo.

            VideoScribe offers a free test run. For a week, if I remember correctly. You might want to try it out.

            Of course as has been being discussed, we're all looking forward to Explaindio so I'll definitely be giving that a shot. But between ESP and VideoScribe... VideoScribe isn't a little superior. It's FAR superior.
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            • Profile picture of the author ironwood
              Originally Posted by dbsmitty View Post

              I can only compare VideoScribe to ESP1 because those are the only two that I've used. But if I were producing videos and making some decent revenue from it I would say that the expense for VideoScribe would absolutely be justified.

              Not only does it offer multiple hands to choose from (ESP1 only offers 1 - I understand that ESP2 has 50) but you can use a custom hand. So if, for example, you wanted to come up with a cartoon hand... you could do that.

              Also VideoScribe can do HD videos, which ESP1 cannot. Idk about ESP2 but since I didn't hear that mentioned as a selling point for the upgrade I would doubt that it does. The HD could be important if you have high-ticket clients - which, I would think we would all like to have. Unless you're comfortable with just making videos as Fiverr gigs - or whatever.

              VideoScribe also has a much bigger library of images and background music. It also categorizes the music from the most soft to the most "peppy" and in between. So you can go right to what you're looking for depending on the "mood" of your video.

              The importance of the images built into the library is one that was of some discussion earlier in this thread - that fact that images converted from other file types don't get "drawn" as well in the video; the hands jumps all over and it's all blotchy looking and then the image suddenly appears in finished form. I've also noticed detail filling in by itself without the hand going there.

              If you buy SVGs online you really don't know what you're getting. Are they SVGs made from scratch that will look nice in the video, or are they ones that were converted from other file types that will look bad? And, as previously mentioned, I purchased a huge SVG package that ESP wouldn't even handle.

              Also, I didn't mention this in my initial review... it's a small detail but it's worth mentioning: In ESP when the hand pushes something onto the screen, it doesn't then draw back - it just disappears. Whereas in VideoScribe it draws back. As it should, imo.

              VideoScribe offers a free test run. For a week, if I remember correctly. You might want to try it out.

              Of course as has been being discussed, we're all looking forward to Explaindio so I'll definitely be giving that a shot. But between ESP and VideoScribe... VideoScribe isn't a little superior. It's FAR superior.
              Thanks for that info. I purchased EDP2 , have not used it yet and did not have EDP1, and will grab Explaindio on Tuesday but Video Scribe sure looks good. I have no experience with this type of video yet though I have been using Camtasia for a number of years,

              Chet
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    @Chet: It depends on what you want to accomplish as well. If you have times where you only want a simple sketch video, ESP2 would be fine (although, like others here, I'm a little concerned about the future of ESP2 after Explaindio hits the market); But if you want combined animation and sketch videos, Explaindio would be better than either ESP2 or VideoScribe.

    We own all of these programs (and Explaindio tomorrow), because each has some feature we like and will use at various times, depending.

    Camtasia, of course, is good for a number of things, as you already know, and it will serve to add some finishing touches to anything you produce with the others. It's unlikely I'll ever use the audio function of any of these programs, for example - I prefer to do that with Camtasia and I'll produce the final videos with Camtasia also.
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    • Profile picture of the author ironwood
      Originally Posted by Joan Altz View Post

      @Chet: It depends on what you want to accomplish as well. If you have times where you only want a simple sketch video, ESP2 would be fine (although, like others here, I'm a little concerned about the future of ESP2 after Explaindio hits the market); But if you want combined animation and sketch videos, Explaindio would be better than either ESP2 or VideoScribe.

      We own all of these programs (and Explaindio tomorrow), because each has some feature we like and will use at various times, depending.

      Camtasia, of course, is good for a number of things, as you already know, and it will serve to add some finishing touches to anything you produce with the others. It's unlikely I'll ever use the audio function of any of these programs, for example - I prefer to do that with Camtasia and I'll produce the final videos with Camtasia also.
      Thanks Joan for the insightful comments. I guess tools used in any business will have limitations. You can't run a carpenter shop with just a table saw. Tough to be a successful photographer with only one type of camera and a single lens. (Tough but not impossible). But a lot of us internet folks keep looking for that one amazing tool that will bring in the income and do the dishes at the same time.

      Chet
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    • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
      Originally Posted by Joan Altz View Post

      @Chet: It depends on what you want to accomplish as well. If you have times where you only want a simple sketch video, ESP2 would be fine (although, like others here, I'm a little concerned about the future of ESP2 after Explaindio hits the market); But if you want combined animation and sketch videos, Explaindio would be better than either ESP2 or VideoScribe.

      We own all of these programs (and Explaindio tomorrow), because each has some feature we like and will use at various times, depending.

      Camtasia, of course, is good for a number of things, as you already know, and it will serve to add some finishing touches to anything you produce with the others. It's unlikely I'll ever use the audio function of any of these programs, for example - I prefer to do that with Camtasia and I'll produce the final videos with Camtasia also.
      Used to love Camtasia and still use but then got caught with some bugs in relation to camera selection and rotating I-phone footage. Thought about upgrading but was already using Screenflow on the mac and their latest upgrade came across free because of the timing on things.

      Adobe Premier for most things though when it comes to video.

      Camtasia and Screenflow for VSLs and educational content

      ESP and Videoscibe et al primarily for VSLs

      Horses for courses I guess.
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      • Profile picture of the author ajbarnes777
        Wow, this thread is a great read. I'm glad I decided to pass on getting ESP2. I have ESP1 along with VMFX, and felt that they both were just a little too amateurish for me to be using to produce videos "professionally" for clients. Maybe for my own websites to promote affiliate products, but not really on a professional video production level.

        Now with looking at Explainido, which is essentially VMFX and ESP combined, and what VMFX "could" have been had they updated the software, plus more, it's pretty much a no brainer what my gas money is going to spent on tomorrow. lol
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        • Profile picture of the author Gladiator
          Originally Posted by ajbarnes777 View Post

          Wow, this thread is a great read. I'm glad I decided to pass on getting ESP2. I have ESP1 along with VMFX, and felt that they both were just a little too amateurish for me to be using to produce videos "professionally" for clients. Maybe for my own websites to promote affiliate products, but not really on a professional video production level.

          Now with looking at Explainido, which is essentially VMFX and ESP combined, and what VMFX "could" have been had they updated the software, plus more, it's pretty much a no brainer what my gas money is going to spent on tomorrow. lol
          I have VMFX and have not received any update or emails for a while! This makes me think that it is the same people doing this so instead of updating this they are doing a new video maker! So that we pay all over again!

          If 'm wrong I will be happier, but it sure looks like something is up!

          Peter Roszak the creator of VMFX and Nick LaPolla were constantly having webinars and training and selling all day long and now they very quite until tomorrow after they start selling this new Explainido!

          Is this Explainido Nick LaPolla software?

          The other thing is what will be the best in another month!?
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          • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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            Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post

            Peter Roszak the creator of VMFX and Nick LaPolla were constantly having webinars and training and selling all day long and now they very quite until tomorrow after they start selling this new Explainido!

            Is this Explainido Nick LaPolla software?
            He's definitely part of the equation! Here are the people taking the credit for the product and launch...

            Andrew Darius
            Todd Gross
            Nicholas LaPolla
            Cody Moya

            Cheers

            -don
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  • Profile picture of the author iffokerbi
    I return to the beginning of this conversation.

    Referring to ForumGuru and others (including dbsmitty) who compared versions 1 and 2, I add a legal note. When I bought Pro1 I bought the OTO that is the commercial license, too. Just now, buying Pro2, the basic program, it will overwrite the full Pro1 (together with the commercial license). That is, the upgrade as a new program kills the license what I paid for! Who had any idea that buying them through two PayPal addresses I may save and use the two programs separately!? (I must mention that answering my ticket the Support Team sent me a generous offer but said no word about the lost license! I asked them to allow using Pro1 with developer license and Pro2 separately only for my own projects.) If Pro2 is a separate program with separate license this means that buyers of Pro1 has the right to use that program with all the amenities and license they paid for! I think this is a marketing tactics what I cannot agree with. The commercial license I bought together with PRO1, MUST be valid for all update and all upgrade.

    Regards,
    Derek
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    • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
      Originally Posted by iffokerbi View Post

      I return to the beginning of this conversation.

      Referring to ForumGuru and others (including dbsmitty) who compared versions 1 and 2, I add a legal note. When I bought Pro1 I bought the OTO that is the commercial license, too. Just now, buying Pro2, the basic program, it will overwrite the full Pro1 (together with the commercial license). That is, the upgrade as a new program kills the license what I paid for! Who had any idea that buying them through two PayPal addresses I may save and use the two programs separately!? (I must mention that answering my ticket the Support Team sent me a generous offer but said no word about the lost license! I asked them to allow using Pro1 with developer license and Pro2 separately only for my own projects.) If Pro2 is a separate program with separate license this means that buyers of Pro1 has the right to use that program with all the amenities and license they paid for! I think this is a marketing tactics what I cannot agree with. The commercial license I bought together with PRO1, MUST be valid for all update and all upgrade.

      Regards,
      Derek
      That sucks, Derek. Yeah... they definitely should respond to that.

      The more I read people's comments about their experiences the more I'm not sorry I didn't buy the upgrade.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    We are subscribed to a lot of lists. Right now affiliates are promoting ESP2 hard..."price is going up", "time is running out", "dramatic increase", etc.., just before the launch of Explaindio. Seems desperate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gladiator
    Thanks Don!

    Cody Moya?? Wow.... I have not heard or seen him since the old days in this forum?

    Peter Roszak PM me

    Thanks,
    Andre
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  • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
    Is anyone else starting to feel that there's a certain risk involved in buying software from IMers who have software made as opposed to buying it from software companies who just make software?

    I hate to say that. But it seems like it might be the case.

    I'm a little torn about the how and when of getting Explaindio. I'm on a tight budget right now but I wanted to jump on that early bird special that was mentioned earlier - the software and the commercial license for $29 - is that right?

    Found out the other day about a scheduling conflict and I can't get out of it. I can either try to do it on the fly with my phone (not 100% sure it will work - my phone's a bit slow and sometimes kicks me out of apps) or give my PayPal info to a friend I absolutely trust and ask them to do it for me.

    But then another part of me would almost rather wait and see what everyone is saying. I know Joan got the review copy and it sounded awesome from what she said so I wasn't TOO worried. It's just in my nature to be super cautious.
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    • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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      Originally Posted by dbsmitty View Post

      Is anyone else starting to feel that there's a certain risk involved in buying software from IMers who have software made as opposed to buying it from software companies who just make software?
      In a word --> YES. I have a ton of software from established software companies but I also don't mind taking a bit of a risk (at the right price) on occasion. I do like purchasing from "IMers" that are programmers or software engineers as opposed to non-programmers...I have found their products sometimes seem to work longer term with proper updates applied when needed.

      Cheers

      -don
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  • Profile picture of the author Gladiator
    I don't mind buying at any price as long as give me what you said you would!

    Also support it longer than just to cover your PayPal refund policy! That is why you will see webinars and this and that for a bout one month and then that is it!
    Next!!!!!!!


    But it our fault because we complain and keep buying. Now I'm not saying that this is not a good product, ( I don't know ) but the Cosa Nostra "IMers" have this all figured out.

    btw it may $29.95 early bird- but I think the regular price is
    SALE PRICE:
    $37.00

    But there are 4 up sales I don't know what they are and how much and is this a monthly service?

    Maybe these postings here is good Karma to help out some people on a tight budget!

    Andre
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    • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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      Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post

      But there are 4 up sales I don't know what they are and how much and is this a monthly service?

      Andre
      Andre,

      I posted those earlier in the thread...

      OTO1 = Mega Themes and SVGs ---> Downsell - Personal Use
      OTO2 = Slides and SVGs Montly Membership --> Downsell - Personal Use

      OTO1 = $37 --> Downsell $17
      OTO2 = $17 Monthly --> Downsell $9.95 Monthly

      The main product is a one time fee.

      Cheers

      -don
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      • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
        Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

        Andre,

        I posted those earlier in the thread...

        OTO1 = Mega Themes and SVGs ---> Downsell - Personal Use
        OTO2 = Slides and SVGs Montly Membership --> Downsell - Personal Use

        OTO1 = $37 --> Downsell $17
        OTO2 = $17 Monthly --> Downsell $9.95 Monthly

        The main product is a one time fee.

        Cheers

        -don
        Yeah, that was what helped me decide early on that I didn't need the OTOs so I already know what I'm after...

        Not that it isn't good to have all those SVGs, but, I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record by saying this again, but when you buy SVGs online you don't know what you're getting - if they were made from scratch or converted from another image type. Which makes a difference in the quality of the video you create.

        You know, this isn't a reflection on the ESP people themselves and that's why I never mentioned it, but when I bought ESP1 it was through some affiliate who offered as a bonus this huge boatload of SVGs and audio clips. It was in the form of about 15 zipped files (if I remember correctly) that were somewhere in the neighborhood of ranging between 150 to 300 mb each. So it was a lot...

        But all except for a couple of the zip files were corrupt. I emailed the guy and told him and he said, Nothing wrong with my files. Try downloading them one at a time. So I did, and - same thing.

        I have dual boot on my PC - Windows and Linux. I use Linux for things like watching movies and such because it seems to be more stable - things stream better and don't hang so much. So I booted into Linux and tried downloading the files one at a time from there and had the same result.

        Well, I guess I should have emailed the guy again, but - I didn't feel like arguing with him about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author funprojects
    Andre, Nick La Polla was on VMFx only so far as VMFx had a joint launch with their SVP programme - and Camtasia - bundle. I don't think he was involved with the development of VMFx. So I am not sure it is fair to blame him for this particular problem.

    Peter Rozsak explained once that there had been a major problem updating the software as the development team is in Ukraine but that was the last we heard from him.

    P.S. Apart from that I agree with what you guys say. I have to add that while software companies produce and support their products, IM is full of interesting, innovative toys (shiny object syndrome I have!) at good prices, and it is hard to resist temptation...
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    • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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      @ blackhatguy

      8AM EST (11th)

      Cheers

      -don
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    The Bonus Wars have started...
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      • Profile picture of the author ironwood
        Looks like we have blown up the system. Took 3 tries to pay with Paypal and still have not received a receipt from JVZoo. Can't log into JVZoo either. And my email has been flooded with bonuses from folks from all over all wanting a piece of the action.

        Looks like a wiz bang launch for the guys. Hope they can get everything put in order once the first raid ends.

        Chet
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        • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
          Originally Posted by ironwood View Post

          Looks like we have blown up the system. Took 3 tries to pay with Paypal and still have not received a receipt from JVZoo. Can't log into JVZoo either. And my email has been flooded with bonuses from folks from all over all wanting a piece of the action.

          Looks like a wiz bang launch for the guys. Hope they can get everything put in order once the first raid ends.

          Chet
          Yeah, I can't get it either.

          I noticed something else that has me bothered. It says they've logged my IP. There are a couple issues with this. One, I'm on my laptop at home - it's not what I mainly use. My PC is in another location. Secondly, when I'm on my PC I often work behind a VPN.

          So... I tried to just make the purchase and figured I'd work it out with their support team, but... couldn't get it.
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          • Profile picture of the author funprojects
            Yep, the buying page looked rather bland; IP logged; and after the purchase I got this strange message:

            This invoice has already been paid. For more information, please contact the merchant.

            The purchase is not registered in my JVZoo account and no money has come out of my paypal. This crazy early bird hysteria is a total shame as they can't handle the tech issues!
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            • Profile picture of the author ironwood
              [QUOTE=funprojects;9661598]Yep, the buying page looked rather bland; IP logged; and after the purchase I got this strange message:

              This invoice has already been paid. For more information, please contact the merchant.

              The purchase is not registered in my JVZoo account and no money has come out of my paypal. This crazy early bird hysteria is a total shame as they can't handle the tech issues![/OTE]


              I got that notice twice before I was able to finally make the purchase and it was worrysome because it was not possible to log into JVZoo to see if a payment had gone through. . I have finally received my email of purchase but still can't get into JVZoo.

              Chet
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              • Profile picture of the author funprojects
                Thank you, Chet! I think I will just wait, it will only go up to 37, I think?

                Have just cleaned my Inbox of about 80 emails with Explaindio in them and unsubbed from the lists I hadn't suspected I am on. I might live to regret missing the next big thing but so be it!
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            • Profile picture of the author batchos
              I experienced pure buying joy except that the link from which I wanted to buy the product didn't work. However, I tried another link at a different email address and the purchase went through smoothly. I also received my login details and was able to download the software without a hitch. Think only what you want to see in your life.

              Originally Posted by funprojects View Post

              Yep, the buying page looked rather bland; IP logged; and after the purchase I got this strange message:

              This invoice has already been paid. For more information, please contact the merchant.

              The purchase is not registered in my JVZoo account and no money has come out of my paypal. This crazy early bird hysteria is a total shame as they can't handle the tech issues!
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              • Profile picture of the author funprojects
                I experienced pure buying joy except that the link from which I wanted to buy the product didn't work. However, I tried another link at a different email address and the purchase went through smoothly. I also received my login details and was able to download the software without a hitch.
                On my umpteenth attempt the "bland" page ( bland, for lack of better words, referred to the not completely loaded, like without buttons, colours and all other bells and whistles, but perfectly recognisable jvzoo to-pay page) resolved to its normal self and I was able to buy with my paypal address; I'd rather have waited than register a new paypal address especially for one product.

                Think only what you want to see in your life.
                Not sure what you mean here. Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    The sales page does miss the mark some, but its saving grace is the video samples. We just switched all of our affiliate links on our bare bones blog from VMFX to Explaindio - these are just raw links with brief CTA titles and no description...first visitor purchased both the software and upsell immediately, and with no bonus incentive.
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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    I'm in....

    Just an update to let everyone know that I was able to pay, able to access JVZoo, and I was able to login to the Explaindio members area and get my Explaindio goodies. My expected bonuses were available at the Zoo as well.

    I have not ran the software yet, but all is good as of now.

    Best of luck to all!

    -don
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  • Profile picture of the author funprojects
    Whew! Got in! OMG, that was EPIC!
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    • Profile picture of the author ajbarnes777
      I jumped on it before the 11am launch just in case Jvzoo went haywire! lol

      I opened the software to make sure everything was working properly and it is. I haven't explored the software or the bonuses as of now, but from what I've seen from a quick glimpse, I haven't been this more excited about a product since Christmas!
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  • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
    Well I did get the software purchased and it crapped out on me again during the whole OTO pitch. Which I didn't really care about.

    Haven't tried to download or go into the members area yet. Before I do I want to contact support and make sure I'm gonna be able to use it on my PC which is in a different location, as I mentioned earlier.

    If they tell me I'm restricted to the IP I bought it from I'll have to request a refund. I trust that won't be the case. But I can't really make decent videos on my laptop. It's kind of a dinosaur.

    And what about people that use it on their laptop and travel around with it? Or even go to coffee shops and the like? This whole IP logging thing... Idk. But if I can just get them to let me do it on my PC I'll be happy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Therese
    Anyone know how to contact support for this product? I tried registering on their support page but it said my email address has already been used ??? so I couldn't register.

    What are you using to register the software? The only reg details I have are for the membership site - nothing for the software. If I enter the membership site details to register the software I get taken to a sales page to buy the product ???? Anybody help please?

    Nevermind. Nothing seemed to work logically so I tried being illogical and that worked.
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    • Profile picture of the author batchos
      It may be that you were registered the first time you tried but there was a timeout or something like that.

      Originally Posted by Therese View Post

      Anyone know how to contact support for this product? I tried registering on their support page but it said my email address has already been used ??? so I couldn't register.

      What are you using to register the software? The only reg details I have are for the membership site - nothing for the software. If I enter the membership site details to register the software I get taken to a sales page to buy the product ???? Anybody help please?

      Nevermind. Nothing seemed to work logically so I tried being illogical and that worked.
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  • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
    Just as an FYI for everyone - since we started out talking about ESP and kind of migrated into a discussion about Explaindio... Explaindio now has it's own thread here:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...xplaindio.html

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  • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
    Don't know if anyone's still following this thread, but... has anyone else unsubscribed from Paul Lynch and continued to get email from him???
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    • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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      Originally Posted by dbsmitty View Post

      Don't know if anyone's still following this thread, but... has anyone else unsubscribed from Paul Lynch and continued to get email from him???
      That's a drag. I have actually have been trying to get on his list but am finding it impossible. I hear he was sending out a few sketch freebies but they have slowed down as of late.

      Cheers

      -don
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    I can't decide whether to upgrade to ESP3.
    Anyone absolutely convinced that you will upgrade?
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