New Rival? PayGear Vs PayDotCom... Ouch!

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Hey Warriors,

I just got an email from PayGear.com about switching over from PDC.

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Email Sent:

Subject: affiliate system

From: "Ryan Campbell" <(email Blocked Out)> (Add as Preferred Sender)

Date: Tue, Jul 07, 2009 9:46 am
To: (email Blocked Out)

I see you are using PayDotCom to process your orders. Not
only do they supply their members with limited features, they
are far more expensive and supply almost no support.
My name is Ryan Campbell and I am affiliated with the site
PayGear.com

I want to start off by saying we will give you your first 500
sales for free if you would like to try our system. That’s
right your first 500 orders will be processed by us at no
charge, we pay your transaction fee for you.

Plus you will see we offer far more to our members. Just some
of the extra features you get with us include: free to list as
many products as you want. Process orders by PayPal, Google
Checkout or your own credit card processor. Offer coupon
codes to your customers to entice a sale. Customize your own
logo on your checkout page, plus you can Import custom PayPal
checkout pages for each product. Better reporting system …
The list goes on and on.

Plus we charge about half price, but that will not matter for
months because you can try our system for free right now.
If you’re interested please send me a reply and I will forward
you a promotion code so your first 500 trades will be paid for
by us.

Thank you,

Ryan Campbell
(email Blocked Out)

P.S If you have any questions also please let me know.


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I will not be switching but may want to diversify a bit. The marketplace looks new... so there are Pros and Cons to this. Some top sites have no affiliate stats yet. Here is what I and maybe others would like to know... Have you heard of these guys and if so what has your research of this company brought back? Please, tell all here. There are loads of similarities to Paydotcom it seems, so it looks as if it will try to go head to head with Mike Filsaime's PayDotcom.

Please let us know what you think before we list here. If you think it's worth beta testing.



I see that PayDotCom.com has an Alexa Ranking of... 7,641 Traffic Rank

and PayGear.com has an Alexa Ranking of... 163,297 Traffic Rank



Once again, your opinion is GREATLY appreciated here!

Cheers,

Warrior2008
#ouch #paydotcom #paygear #rival
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    Hi Warrior2008,

    Anything that you can logically look at and test is most likely worth a try/test run.

    All new markets begin this way and they either live or die a quick death.

    I'll do some research before I choose to diversify my portfolio.

    Thanks for the heads up about the possible new venue.

    Have a Great Day!
    Michael

    Originally Posted by warrior2008 View Post

    Hey Warriors,

    I just got an email from PayGear.com about switching over from PDC. I will not be switching but may want to diversify a bit. The marketplace looks new... so there are Pros and Cons to this. Some top sites have no affiliate stats yet. Here is what I and maybe others would like to know... Have you heard of these guys and if so what has your research of this company brought back? Please, tell all here. There are loads of similarities to Paydotcom it seems, so it looks as if it will try to go head to head with Mike Filsaime's PayDotcom.

    Please let us know what you think before we list here. If you think it's worth beta testing please advise also what kind of traffic if any you all think it might have already.

    Once again, your opinion is GREATLY appreciated here!

    Cheers,

    Warrior2008
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  • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
    Yes, you bet. I just don't have any new sites yet to place here but I will see what I can write. My other ones are hanging in there at ClickBank and Paydotcom but it sure would be nice to see if one could get instant affiliate join spotlight here fast!

    Thanks,

    Warrior2008
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  • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
    Looks like they have no advertisers yet either. Hmm... maybe good or maybe
    just an opportunity to lock in a spot if they do get there...
    Here is what they say for advertising opportunities...

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    "How would you like to have your ad viewed thousands of
    time in a single week? Every time a guest visits our site
    logged in or not they see ads on the Marketplace page.
    For just $25, your ad can be part of that rotation for a
    full seven days, getting you in front of an unlimited number
    of visitors. That's a great deal, and it can bring you an
    amazing return on your investment!".

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    Not sure why no spots are filled yet!

    Cheers,

    Warrior2008
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  • Profile picture of the author SolomonHuey
    There's more sites that try to duplicate Clickbank and PayDotCom's success than many realize.

    Unless they already have a massive, targeted, growing mailing list built BEFORE they launched this site, they aren't a serious threat. I don't care if their fees are less.

    Top affiliates already know where to go to find products to promote.

    I want affiliates that know how to make sales. Clickbank and PayDotCom has that.

    Solomon Huey
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  • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
    Mike,

    It's been a while. Nice of you to help advise. Thanks for your input as always

    Stay Golden,

    Warrior2008
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  • Profile picture of the author dsmpublishing
    I must admit i had the exact same email myself yesterday - so they must be picking us at random on paydotcom.

    kind regards


    sam
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    • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
      Originally Posted by dsmpublishing View Post

      I must admit i had the exact same email myself yesterday - so they must be picking us at random on paydotcom.

      kind regards


      sam
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      Thanks for the heads up!

      Cheers,

      Warrior2008
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  • Profile picture of the author BizBooks
    although, if it's real, it would make a good way for the folks at fatwallet to get credit card miles.

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    • Profile picture of the author TomM1234
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      • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
        I got that email as well so they must be mining PDC somehow to get all those email addresses. I guess it's not that hard to automate a program to harvest PDC merchant URL's then harvest emails from that.

        I'm with Mike, any business whose first contact with me is via spam, I will stay away from. I put them in the same category with the spam I get about "SEO services", "weight loss", "enhancements", etc.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

          I got that email as well so they must be mining PDC somehow to get all those email addresses. I guess it's not that hard to automate a program to harvest PDC merchant URL's then harvest emails from that.

          I'm with Mike, any business whose first contact with me is via spam, I will stay away from. I put them in the same category with the spam I get about "SEO services", "weight loss", "enhancements", etc.
          I'm doing the same thing with clickbank. NOT to get email addresses, but the same thing none the less.

          Steve
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          • Profile picture of the author Rolliesworld
            I don't know why you are all making it such a big issue that a new player in the affiliate network market took the liberty to inform you of a potential alternative to using such a service.

            Not only do they appear to have features that are not seen in PDC or CB, but the fees are lower and there is a 2-tier level program.

            I think you should not chose an affiliate network based on your belief you will have an army of willing affiliates in no time ... as there is so much low level junk products listed especially in the CB marketplace that it becomes really hard to even be noticed. Moreover, unless you are using an add-on affiliate management script, using CB's hoplink system is prone to commission theft.

            Therefore, rather than relying on being found in an affiliate network's marketplace, I would be relying on proactively promoting your affiliate program as you would your own products. This way, it does not really matter which network has the most affiliate members. It's simply a benefit to be able to be found in the network, but one thing to look at it is to consider your buyers to be your best potential new affiliates.

            With regard to PDC, I would chose them over CB anytime ... the restrictions CB imposes on its members is rediculous. However, with PDC I feel their support seriously lacks responsiveness - I sent a ticket and marked it pre-sales question - this was 24 hours ago and I still have not heard back. Paygear - within the hour!

            I am curious about PDC's announced new features though ... apparently planned for this (northern hemisphere's) summer ...
            -like multiple product checkout!!
            -receiving data of shopping cart abandonment so leads can be followed up by email and phone!!

            Paygear - will you include this, too...??????
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            • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
              Originally Posted by Rolliesworld View Post

              I don't know why you are all making it such a big issue that a new player in the affiliate network market took the liberty to inform you of a potential alternative to using such a service.
              There are also new players in the Viagra market that have taken the liberty to inform me of a potential alternative to the other online Viagra shops.

              Very similar to what we're talking about here, which is why people are making a big issue out of it.

              Cheers,
              Becky
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              • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
                Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

                There are also new players in the Viagra market that have taken the liberty to inform me of a potential alternative to the other online Viagra shops.

                Very similar to what we're talking about here, which is why people are making a big issue out of it.

                Cheers,
                Becky
                Umm...Becky,
                Could you forward me a copy of that email?

                J/K

                Have a Great Day!
                Michael
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                • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
                  Originally Posted by Michael Mayo View Post

                  Umm...Becky,
                  Could you forward me a copy of that email?
                  Again? Really, Michael? It's getting tiresome having to forward every little Viagra and male enhancement ad that hits my inbox...





                  ,
                  Becky
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                  • Profile picture of the author Ryan Campbell
                    Hi my name is Ryan Campbell and I am in charge of marketing for the new site PayGear.com. I am the one emailing people, I send individual emails only, never spam. I send them to sites that I think can benefit from our service.

                    I am not asking people to buy anything, I simply ask people if they would like to use our system for free. Most people are delighted at my offer. The bottom line is we do not expect people to stay with our system if they do not think it can add value to their business. At the very least everyone can certainly take advantage of running their product in multiple affiliate systems.

                    The bottom line is we think order processing/affiliate systems today charge too much and we want to do something about it.

                    I don't think anyone else offers as many features as PayGear, but one thing most people seem to love is the fact that you can process orders through several different systems in one interface. PayPal, your credit card processor, or Google Checkout.

                    It is true we are a new system, but we had to start somewhere.

                    If anyone here wants to test our system for free for a few months PM me and I will give you the same deal. If you don't like us, don't use us and it will cost you zero. If you do like us we will save you thousands over the next year and into the future.
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                    • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
                      Originally Posted by Ryan Campbell View Post

                      Hi my name is Ryan Campbell and I am in charge of marketing for the new site PayGear.com. I am the one emailing people, I send individual emails only, never spam. I send them to sites that I think can benefit from our service.

                      I am not asking people to buy anything, I simply ask people if they would like to use our system for free. Most people are delighted at my offer. The bottom line is we do not expect people to stay with our system if they do not think it can add value to their business. At the very least everyone can certainly take advantage of running their product in multiple affiliate systems.

                      The bottom line is we think order processing/affiliate systems today charge too much and we want to do something about it.

                      I don't think anyone else offers as many features as PayGear, but one thing most people seem to love is the fact that you can process orders through several different systems in one interface. PayPal, your credit card processor, or Google Checkout.

                      It is true we are a new system, but we had to start somewhere.

                      If anyone here wants to test our system for free for a few months PM me and I will give you the same deal. If you don't like us, don't use us and it will cost you zero. If you do like us we will save you thousands over the next year and into the future.

                      Hey Ryan,

                      Thanks for coming on here and giving us more info. It makes us feel a lot better hearing from you. Thanks for the info.

                      Warrior2008
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                    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
                      Originally Posted by Ryan Campbell View Post

                      Hi my name is Ryan Campbell and I am in charge of marketing for the new site PayGear.com. I am the one emailing people, I send individual emails only, never spam. I send them to sites that I think can benefit from our service.

                      I am not asking people to buy anything, I simply ask people if they would like to use our system for free. Most people are delighted at my offer. The bottom line is we do not expect people to stay with our system if they do not think it can add value to their business. At the very least everyone can certainly take advantage of running their product in multiple affiliate systems.

                      The bottom line is we think order processing/affiliate systems today charge too much and we want to do something about it.

                      I don't think anyone else offers as many features as PayGear, but one thing most people seem to love is the fact that you can process orders through several different systems in one interface. PayPal, your credit card processor, or Google Checkout.

                      It is true we are a new system, but we had to start somewhere.

                      If anyone here wants to test our system for free for a few months PM me and I will give you the same deal. If you don't like us, don't use us and it will cost you zero. If you do like us we will save you thousands over the next year and into the future.
                      I also appreciate you coming on here to tell your side of things but I still think you spammed. How did you get the email addresses? It appears you got the email addresses from the PDC market place so you were harvesting emails which violates the CAN-SPAM act. I doubt PDC gave you permission to peruse their website looking for emails.

                      If we had a transactional history it's one thing. But we've never done business before. I never asked for info about your site or gave you my email address.

                      Since you probably got it from the PDC market place and then emailed your un-solicited commercial email. That's SPAM. Even if you sent them one by one.

                      CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                      The CAN-SPAM Act: Requirements for Commercial Emailers
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                      • Profile picture of the author Ryan Campbell
                        Alan, I never harvested any emails, not sure why you are accusing me of that. I simply would go the site, click the contact link and send the user an email or submit a ticket. That is certainly not spam in any way defined by the can spam act.
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                        • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
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                        • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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                          Originally Posted by Ryan Campbell View Post

                          Alan, I never harvested any emails, not sure why you are accusing me of that. I simply would go the site, click the contact link and send the user an email or submit a ticket. That is certainly not spam in any way defined by the can spam act.
                          Because some people have nothing better to do than rant about things they know little about.
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                          • Profile picture of the author RussGu3
                            Sounds good to me, but I'm reminded of a couple of other rising stars that went by the wayside - StormPay and GreenZap.

                            Anyone remember them?

                            Not sure what caused their demise, but hopefully the PayGear folks have investigated their downfall and taken steps to avoid any bad business decisions that might lead to the same.

                            But yes, I REALLY LIKE new ideas, concepts, ways of doing things - and the companies that spring up from them.

                            Competition is a good thing - it keeps everyone sharp. Those who don't keep their edge, fall behind, wither and die. And rightfully so.

                            So, bring it on PayGear!

                            I think that if you put your affiliates first and your profits second, you will build a very strong, loyal organization.

                            Reversing these though, will undoubtedly send you down the same path as StormPay and GreenZap...

                            Be well,
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                            • Profile picture of the author Ryan Campbell
                              Warrior2008,

                              There is no biweekly option, we considered it, but having too many options might be confusing for affiliates who promote a lot of programs. We figured we absolutely needed monthly, then for those who want to pay fast can do weekly.

                              If you like weekly, but have refund risk you can setup the product in monthly and put it into the marketplace. Then set up the product again on weekly autopay and not list it. Then send personal invites only to those super affiliates you know or trust, this will allow your best and trusted affiliates to be paid weekly while almost completely eliminating your refund risk.

                              Again, if anyone here wants to try our service for free just PM me, I will be happy to send you a promotion code so you can do so.
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                              • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
                                Originally Posted by Ryan Campbell View Post

                                Warrior2008,

                                There is no biweekly option, we considered it, but having too many options might be confusing for affiliates who promote a lot of programs. We figured we absolutely needed monthly, then for those who want to pay fast can do weekly.

                                If you like weekly, but have refund risk you can setup the product in monthly and put it into the marketplace. Then set up the product again on weekly autopay and not list it. Then send personal invites only to those super affiliates you know or trust, this will allow your best and trusted affiliates to be paid weekly while almost completely eliminating your refund risk.

                                Again, if anyone here wants to try our service for free just PM me, I will be happy to send you a promotion code so you can do so.
                                Cool, thanks Ryan.

                                Warrior2008
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                        • Profile picture of the author Azlan.MY
                          Originally Posted by Ryan Campbell View Post

                          Alan, I never harvested any emails, not sure why you are accusing me of that. I simply would go the site, click the contact link and send the user an email or submit a ticket. That is certainly not spam in any way defined by the can spam act.
                          I think you should promote this network in better way. Like using WSO here at the forum.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Ryan Campbell
                            Good idea Azlan.MY,

                            We have run a few WSO.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Rolliesworld
                      Originally Posted by Ryan Campbell View Post

                      Hi my name is Ryan Campbell and I am in charge of marketing for the new site PayGear.com.
                      Hi Ryan, great move from you to comment on this thread.

                      I mentioned in my earlier post features that PayDotCom were announcing for "this summer", like ...

                      [... Coming Soon!
                      Coming in Summer of 2009 we are adding new features like allowing you to accept credit cards via Authorize.net, Google Checkout, 2Checkout, and PayPal Payments Pro. We are also adding shoppingc art features to allow you to sell multiple products at check out with custom affiliate payouts. As well we are adding expiring download pages. And soon we will be providing you with data on customers that abandoned the checkout so you can follow up with them via email, mail, or phone....]

                      I was wondering if you could tell us if PayGear will come up with the same cool features ... ??
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      • Profile picture of the author danette77
        Originally Posted by TomM1234 View Post

        I signed up to PayGear last week and I have to say this system is very good. PayDotCom better beef up their system if they want to compete.

        I four ClickBank products I plan to move to PayGear, the low transaction fees are too enticing.
        Thanks for the recommendation, think I might move a few products over there myself and give PayGear a try!
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  • Profile picture of the author BizBooks
    TomM1234 = paygear troll?
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    • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
      Originally Posted by BizBooks View Post

      TomM1234 = paygear troll?
      Not sure what PayGear Troll means but I have an idea. Care to elaborate please?

      Thanks,

      Warrior2008
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  • Profile picture of the author Rolliesworld
    I find their website and what they offer intriguing. I sent them a support ticket with a pre-sales question the other day and got a prompt reply. I wanted to know if I would be able to communicate with the affiliates of my products and add to my list so I can provide ongoing training and support and build a relationship with them?

    They responded saying yes, you can contact one affiliate, all the affiliates for a specific product, or all your affiliates for all products at any time.

    I haven't signed up with PayDotCom nor them as yet, so I am guessing this is a messaging service via their vendor user panel? Is that an effective way of maintaining a good relationship with affiliates? Using an affiliate network is obviously a good way of promoting and selling your product, but at the end of the day they "own" the relationship. I am just wondering if I would have access to the affiliates' contact details or be able to have them opt into my autoresponder?

    I have also been wondering how to go about having affiliates promote and be compensated for selling memberships ... for fixed term eCourses and lifetime access to products?
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkMcDonald
    They're a new player & the fact they're randomly spamming people to get more business isn't a positive sign.

    Not to mention that YOU WANT AFFILIATES. It's worth paying more money to Clickbank or PaydotCom for that reason: They have the affiliates.

    Imo it's not worth the move as a merchant until it picks up more.

    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author Project-Octagon
    Havent tried this out, but to add to PDC and CB, I really like CCBill.
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  • Profile picture of the author ragstworiches
    Hi,

    I have just signed up myself, as it is very simple to do. It is a good interface, with
    much lower fees and also has a two tier aff commission option. Whether or not they can compete with paydotcom and clickbank is another story. I think Clickbank has way to much of a monopoly and once new networks start competing it is going to be far better for vendors and affiliates.

    I don't see why it has to be a decision on which one is the best, if you have products you can quite easily list them on all affiliate networks, by duplicating your site.

    As for the way they have gone about contacting, I have no problem someone emailing me about a business service that relates to what I do. As far as I was aware emails from company to another company is not spam.

    Phil
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    A better approach to starting a business like this would to have been to collect physical mailing addresses from users they are targeting (most sales pages or Whois information can provide this) and send a targeted direct mail campaign...

    That's what I would have done

    For those whose addresses I could find would be a good starting point to establish a presence in the market. Doing something above and beyond is the way to go if you want to be noticed in a highly competitive area like this.

    Let's face it, ClickBank and PayDotCom have a good thing going but if I got a mailing piece about this new service I probably would have checked them out and been a lot more excited about it than just getting a spammed email.

    Mike Hill

    PS. Something for anyone to think about that is trying to break into a highly competitive market!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Killian
    I don't like the way they had to put down another service in their e-mail.

    Much better ways to market, then this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Emma Ngin
      Originally Posted by Ron Killian View Post

      I don't like the way they had to put down another service in their e-mail.

      Much better ways to market, then this.
      I do feel the same. Unfortunately, that's how they make business.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ryan Campbell
        MikeAmbrosio,

        You have had hard comments against us on this forum the whole time, now it makes sense, your working for the competitor, ok that's fine.

        You think it's common knowledge to everyone on WarriorForm that you work for the competitor? I cannot speak for everyone on WarriorForum but I am far too busy to know your business.

        As for emailing you, I don't know how I can make it any clearer, I came to your site clicked the contact link and sent you an email. I am guessing you are not clear on what is spam, because that is clearly not. Just because you want it to be spam does not make it so.

        It appears your more intrested in attacking me personally than actually making real comments on the site.
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  • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
    Wow! Loads of different opinions here! I test drove their software yesterday to get to know it and if it was not for PDC I would have had a longer learning curve. It seems to test drive and play to the same theme as PDC so it was easy to find what I needed... anyways we will see. I have now learned that they are ONLY 2 months old.

    Cheers,

    Warrior2008
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  • Profile picture of the author googlerankingexpert
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    Never tried Paygear, but it sounds pretty good compared to Paydotcom. If they get a lot of advertisers, I might consider switching over.
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  • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
    I get a lot of offers within PDC and I sure don't mind. I always welcome other offers. Actually I am very thanksful I knew about PayGear.com this early in the game.

    Cheers,

    Warrior2008
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    • Profile picture of the author Ryan Campbell
      Rolliesworld,

      I can tell you that PayGear already offers Authorize.net, Google Checkout and PayPal Payments Pro.

      In fact PayPal Payments Pro is a great feature, if you have a PayGear account it allows you to auto pay your affiliates, and you can do so weekly or monthly, the option is yours. You will never have to download a mass payment file, then upload it to PayPal if you don't want to.

      These are all features being offered a PayGear.com TODAY.

      As for the shopping cart, you should see it in PayGear soon, who do you think is going to bring it to you first?

      Plus if you have any special needs send them to PayGear, if we deem it to be a useful suggestion we will implement it. PayGear want to make sure you have the tools to succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
    Hmm... re: "PayGear account it allows you to auto pay your affiliates, and you can do so weekly or monthly", that seems like an interesting feature although I still like paying monthly due to any refund issues... but it's nice that the option is there.

    Warrior2008
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    • Profile picture of the author Ryan Campbell
      Warrior2008,

      Paying monthly due to refunds is a good idea, but if you pay weekly and an affiliate is paid commission, then the order is refunded, that commission will be deducted off their next week payment. Of course you could still run into trouble if the affiliate never makes another sale again.
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      • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
        Originally Posted by Ryan Campbell View Post

        Warrior2008,

        Paying monthly due to refunds is a good idea, but if you pay weekly and an affiliate is paid commission, then the order is refunded, that commission will be deducted off their next week payment. Of course you could still run into trouble if the affiliate never makes another sale again.
        Hmm... I definitely like that kind of accounting. So can we pay bi-weekly like CB does?

        Warrior2008
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  • Profile picture of the author SolomonHuey
    I'd like to also echo the thoughts that it's a great sign to see someone from PayGear here.

    Solomon Huey
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  • Profile picture of the author mentorondemand
    I would go online and see if there is any complaints
    about this new site. Growing pains can be expected
    however non payment issues is what I would
    be concern with.

    Please let us know how it going.

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    yves
    the mentor on demand
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  • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
    I could not find any complaints. This Company is two months old so things seem to be just starting to get EXCITING! I like the Alexa ranking for such a new site.

    Warrior2008
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    • Profile picture of the author Ryan Campbell
      There are no complaints about us, in fact most people are delighted by how fast we answer their questions or implement something which they require to run their business.
      Here is an email I received yesterday.
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      Hi Ryan

      Thank you very much.

      You are really prompt at answering me.
      You are very helpful, which is more than I can say for either Clickbank (I often couldn't understand them) or Paydotcom.

      If you don't whizz to the top of the charts in record time, then we live in a sorry world. But I think you will.

      I have another question, which you may not be able to help me with, but if I don't ask, I'll never know.

      I want to be able to offer both of my ebooks at a combined discount. I think I need to think of a links page after they click on your link, but I also wondered if that is in your area?

      Kind regards
      Madeleine
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      We were also able to explain to Madeleine how she can do exactly what we wanted to. Also if anyone else needs something specific for their checkout system that they don't get anywhere else send us an email, if it's something we believe to be worthwhile we can design it and install it for you, free of charge.
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  • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
    Ryan,

    Is there any kind of APS rating like PDC has, so we know how much we need to grow with affiliate sales to get ranked #1 in each selected marketplace sections?

    Also, not to overwhelm you here but... I saw some kind of "ads by PayGear" thing going on and code to grab for our websites and such. What is that for, PPC?

    Thanks,

    Warrior2008
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    • Profile picture of the author Ryan Campbell
      warrior2008,

      There is a scoring system in place but the scores are not posted just rank, we may consider posting actual scores in the future.

      I can tell you sales are good for your score, affiliate sales are good for your score and newer sales have the highest weight.

      As for the "Ads by PayGear" this is found under the Affiliate Tools >> Website Ad Feed tab. Here you can design your own banner with text links to the products within our system. Works very similar to Google AdSense except you receive full commission when someone makes a sale. We have several different banners to select from, you may change your font, color or several other features of your ad feed to fit your website look.
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      • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
        Originally Posted by Ryan Campbell View Post

        warrior2008,

        There is a scoring system in place but the scores are not posted just rank, we may consider posting actual scores in the future.

        I can tell you sales are good for your score, affiliate sales are good for your score and newer sales have the highest weight.

        As for the "Ads by PayGear" this is found under the Affiliate Tools >> Website Ad Feed tab. Here you can design your own banner with text links to the products within our system. Works very similar to Google AdSense except you receive full commission when someone makes a sale. We have several different banners to select from, you may change your font, color or several other features of your ad feed to fit your website look.
        Thanks Ryan. I have implemented your "Ads by PayGear" system within my signature link below. Now, do they pull all products that are listed in the marketplace? When you say "FULL" commission can you please explain a bit. The webmaster of that site makes his or her percentage so are you saying that PayGear does not get a cut of this?

        Thanks Ryan,

        Warrior2008
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        • Profile picture of the author Ryan Campbell
          Thanks for the good praise Madeleine. As for the Ad Feed, you can select all products or only products in a specific category or subcategory to show on your site. For example if you have a fitness site you probably only want to show Health & Fitness ads, you can certainly do so. You get 100% of the commissions; we don't take any second tier commissions on any sales.
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          • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
            Originally Posted by Ryan Campbell View Post

            Thanks for the good praise Madeleine. As for the Ad Feed, you can select all products or only products in a specific category or subcategory to show on your site. For example if you have a fitness site you probably only want to show Health & Fitness ads, you can certainly do so. You get 100% of the commissions; we don't take any second tier commissions on any sales.

            Thanks for that info...

            Regards,

            Warrior2008
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              • Profile picture of the author Ryan Campbell
                Hi 2b1ask1,

                Good question, and one we have thought about. A solution for you will be out in the next 60 days. I have PMed additional details.
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  • Profile picture of the author Madeleine8
    I too had an individual email from Ryan (which is not spam). And I decided to make the switch over from Paydotcom, as I found their support was less than I required. I have found Ryan to be extremely helpful, very quick to respond and friendly. Apart from the no set up fees, and no fees for sometime, can you ask for anything more in a company?

    I'm still finding my feet with internet marketing, so all the help available is greatly appreciated. I have found that help is readily available from Pay Gear via Ryan. Highly recommended. I wish them the very best.
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    • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
      Originally Posted by Madeleine8 View Post

      I too had an individual email from Ryan (which is not spam). And I decided to make the switch over from Paydotcom, as I found their support was less than I required. I have found Ryan to be extremely helpful, very quick to respond and friendly. Apart from the no set up fees, and no fees for sometime, can you ask for anything more in a company?

      I'm still finding my feet with internet marketing, so all the help available is greatly appreciated. I have found that help is readily available from Pay Gear via Ryan. Highly recommended. I wish them the very best.
      Thanks also for sharing with us your experience thus far as we learn more about PG.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ryan Campbell
        Also I would like to add, if anyone needs any special needs for their order processor please let me know. If its useful to you its likely useful to others and we can likely implement that for you at PayGear.com. Please just send me a PM.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikefilsaime
    I wish Ryan and his company the best of success. I emailed him last week and told him I did not condone the soliciting of our marketplace. As it was never anything we did to clickbank.

    I explained the fact that I have a great relationship and friendship with clickbank and we have talked many times on how we can grow together.

    I told Ryan it would be better to let the boats rise with the tides rather than be adversaries. He was very polite in his reply. He had stated he only asked people
    to ALSO use PG and not leave PDC for PG. However, he stated he would stop
    the practice.

    We then went back and forth with a great freindly email. I told him I think he
    has a good service. Better than anyone that tried to create a PDC alternative.

    I gave him advice on how to marketing and revenue as well as how we stared
    marketing our service to get neat 3/4 Million users in 4 years.

    Ryan and his team have a good platform and know it is not something that sees
    results in its first months.

    I wish them the best of success and I think the more choices people have the better.

    I had also explained to him the fast growth of my company that at many times only
    allowed slower than wanted growth of features along with constant maintenance as
    we had 11 tech guys in staff and kept 2-3 on PDC when it would be better to have 5
    but finding and growing a larger team was not always in the cards so we had to
    use our dev team to also create and maintain other projects.

    In the last 90 days, we went back to 3 full time DEV people that focus on new products
    for PDC with another 2 on servers and support for a total of 5.

    So we are going to be adding Auth.net, googleCO and 2co and others by end of summer. It is already done and being tested. We are also adding the ability to have
    a SHOPPING CART feature to add more items at check out. So you can do amazon
    style upsells and many launch tree strategies.

    As well,m we will gave 1 click upsells with AUTH.net. And other unique features
    like passing the data along to you of forms filled out that ABANDON at paypal
    so you can follow up with sales that did not buy.

    Secure and Expiring Download pages are also coming in the next week.

    So many of our wish list items are coming in August as we want to keep ahead
    of the competition as well as keep up with the competition.

    CB, PDC are time tested and have their pros and cons. PG is new on the block
    and I hope to see in years to come they are referred in the same sentence as
    often as you see CB and PDC. FOr me it has always been an honor for the
    question to ever be raised. "CB or PDC" - I am sure it is for Ryan too.

    Take care...
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    • Profile picture of the author Ryan Campbell
      Wow, this has become quite a thread. Thanks for jumping in Mike.

      I have traded a few emails with Mike over the last week. He does not want us contacting his member so we will respect that. I am very pleased to hear he feels we did a great job on our site and are the first real competitor to his PayDotCom platform.

      And yes there is a ongoing debate between ClickBank and PayDotCom, hopefully one day that will also include PayGear, we will work for it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ryan Campbell
      Ricardo, we never spammed anyone. Here is my previous post on this matter, I am assuming you missed it.

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      Alan, I never harvested any emails, not sure why you are accusing me of that. I simply would go the site, click the contact link and send the user an email or submit a ticket. That is certainly not spam in any way defined by the can spam act.
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  • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
    WOW! Yeah Mike, thanks for being here and sharing with us as well.

    Stay Golden!

    Warrior2008
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  • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
    Mike Ambrosio,

    I was recently notified that you were an employee of PayDotCom. Is this true? If so then wouldn't your opinion be biased? If not then my apologies. I see that you are from New York. I have been called by Mike Filsaime's guys "ALL" from New York for things, and I know he has a few employees on here posting at times. Where do you stand with PDC please... an employee or just a vender?

    Cheers,

    Warrior2008
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      • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

        It's actually common knowledge that I work for Mike.

        But that does not make my opinion of Ryans email biased. I have been using PDC LONG before I went to work for Mike (My PDC ID is in the low 300's - that should give you an idea how long...).

        Ryan emailed me as a USER of PDC, not an employee. If he put Clickbank in the email instead of PDC, or if your thread title used Clickbank instead of PDC my comments would not be different overall.

        In my viewpoint, he spammed me. Which has ALWAYS been my "complaint" if you will.

        I also think it's silly to think that someone can't be unbiased simply because of employment status. My comments here don't bring in extra customers. And I still use PDC and CB every day. I am a customer of both (I even PAY the PDC fees).

        If we are going to say that my opinions can not be unbiased and should be ignored, then by THAT standard, shouldn't Ryan's? Either he's an employee or the owner, so stating PG is better than PDC or CB would be a BIASED opinion. no?

        Mike
        Thanks for your response.
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  • Profile picture of the author X
    Too much is being made of *an*
    email.

    Get over it already.

    Ryan - you need to learn how to
    seed the forum like the gurus do.
    That's how you get the word out -
    not by writing emails to individuals.

    Does the service have merits or
    not?

    Judging by the reaction I'd have
    to guess that it does.

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    nice site, but they need to work on their servers, dirt slow for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
    Thanks for all your feedback Ryan.

    Warrior2008
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    • Profile picture of the author Ryan Campbell
      You can go right into our marketplace and look at the selection of products we offer. New products are being added everyday.
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  • Profile picture of the author jordel
    I dont know if a payment processor can handle downsell,upsell... instead of a script/system on my site...just a thought

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  • Profile picture of the author tommyp
    Big deal about an email. It's not even the same as getting Viagra, penis enlargement or other crap. And he sent it once. I wouldn't call someone finding out about me, tracking down my email online and saying "Hey" plus whatever they need to say SPAM. If that's SPAM then all of you have spammed at some point in your lives. I could see why Mike wouldn't like it, though but that's got nothing to do with you.

    I would always be happy to hear about an alternative, whether I go with it or not.

    It's also an option to consider as an affiliate because I grew tired quickly from not getting paid by PDC vendors. If Mike can have some sort of system going where you don't rely on lazy, deadbeat or apathetic vendors to pay then I may look at PDC again.
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  • Profile picture of the author tessmac9708
    I cant believe some people are getting so upset about a few e-mails. If you have a contact us form on your site, then you are inviting people to contact you..

    If you use CB and PDC, then why not give these guys a chance also. Like Ryan says, if they dont deliver, what have you lost. Keep using CB and PDC. There's more than enough business to go around from existing and potential affiliates.

    It doesnt have to be one or the other.

    Put it this way, now is the time to join. Ryan has come onto the forum and is answering questions, and what everyone has to say now can and will shape the future of this new service.

    Imagine if you had this opportunity to have a hand in how CB developed in its early days, to tell them what you wanted and how you wanted the system to perform.

    Ultimately the market will decide if this service will survive and prosper, but come on guys, give them a chance..what have you got to loose.

    Graham
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan Campbell
    I appreciate the comments Graham. As I said before almost everyone I contacted wad delighted to hear from me. The only guy who was not was the guy who worked for the competitor. We stand behind our product, that's why we are letting people try it for free. We have a user friendly system, with more features than you will see anywhere else and at a lower price. However, Warriors can use it for free for a few months if they PM me and wish to try it out.
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  • Profile picture of the author ruch1v
    i'm thinking of trying these guys out, has anyone got anyone else got any reviews?
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    • Profile picture of the author blackhawkup
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      Hi ryan......i think everybody should just shut up about the email....People do that type of stuff everyday..Businesses so that stufff everyday..its nothing new...

      i get credit card offers everyday that read....YOU DONT HAVE TO CANCEL YOUR CURRENT CREDIT CARD...BUT PLEASE GIVE US A TRY AND MAKE AN ACCOUNT WITH US!

      I THINK ITS SMART,

      Anyway on to the questions...THIS IS FOR RYAN CAMPBELL

      1. do you guys offer recurring payments..meaning can i offer a membership product in which the customer pays me monthly and my affiliate gets comm. as long as the customer pays.

      2. also do you guys have that amazon.com upsell...they advertise multiple related products and you only have to enter your cc info once...do you guys have that..
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      • Profile picture of the author blackhawkup
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        Originally Posted by rpjackson View Post

        Hi ryan......i think everybody should just shut up about the email....People do that type of stuff everyday..Businesses so that stufff everyday..its nothing new...

        i get credit card offers everyday that read....YOU DONT HAVE TO CANCEL YOUR CURRENT CREDIT CARD...BUT PLEASE GIVE US A TRY AND MAKE AN ACCOUNT WITH US!

        I THINK ITS SMART,

        Anyway on to the questions...THIS IS FOR RYAN CAMPBELL

        1. do you guys offer recurring payments..meaning can i offer a membership product in which the customer pays me monthly and my affiliate gets comm. as long as the customer pays.

        2. also do you guys have that amazon.com upsell...they advertise multiple related products and you only have to enter your cc info once...do you guys have that..
        Did anybody ever find this out???
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan Campbell
    Hi rpjackson,

    Yes PayGear does offer recurring payments. You can set up recurring in any duration you want, daily, weekly, monthly, or yearly. And your affiliates will continue to receive commission on each payment.

    As for am amazon.com upsale, I am thinking no as I don't know what that is.

    I just happened to run by this post again, but if you need quick answers to your questions you can submit a ticket on PayGear.com. Support is very fast.
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    • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
      Originally Posted by Ryan Campbell View Post

      Hi rpjackson,

      Yes PayGear does offer recurring payments. You can set up recurring in any duration you want, daily, weekly, monthly, or yearly. And your affiliates will continue to receive commission on each payment.

      As for am amazon.com upsale, I am thinking no as I don't know what that is.

      I just happened to run by this post again, but if you need quick answers to your questions you can submit a ticket on PayGear.com. Support is very fast.

      Recurring payments are important. Clickbank is now allowing vendors to do $1.00 free trial offers so I know the value in recurred billing. It's powerful!
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      • Profile picture of the author Marty S
        From PayGear.com:

        Then just pay a low processing free for each sale.
        • Free for orders under $5
        • $1 charge for orders under $20.
        • $1.50 for orders under $40.
        • $2 for orders under $60.
        • $2.50 orders over $60.
        We are completely against 10%-15% charges on each sale, unlike many of our competitors. With PayGear you can expect to pay between 2.5% to 5% per order, while receiving far more benefits. All processing fees are charged to the vendor, then split with the affiliate by the same percentage as the affiliate payout.



        This is encouraging, and I hope it is sustainable.
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        • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
          Originally Posted by Marty S View Post

          From PayGear.com:

          Then just pay a low processing free for each sale.
          • Free for orders under $5
          • $1 charge for orders under $20.
          • $1.50 for orders under $40.
          • $2 for orders under $60.
          • $2.50 orders over $60.
          We are completely against 10%-15% charges on each sale, unlike many of our competitors. With PayGear you can expect to pay between 2.5% to 5% per order, while receiving far more benefits. All processing fees are charged to the vendor, then split with the affiliate by the same percentage as the affiliate payout.



          This is encouraging, and I hope it is sustainable.


          New Updates! Nice! Thanks for the share! Yes, that is encouraging. :-)

          Cheers,

          Warrior2008
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  • Profile picture of the author JaceBarnett
    I joined PayDotCom a good while back and I took advantage of the OTO and prepaid for several credits, and I still haven't used any of my investment. Found out about PayGear.com this week and decided to put my first couple products there instead of PDC or Clickbank.

    At some point I will have to put a product or two up at PDC just so my investment isn't wasted, but initially I liked what I read about PayGear and decided it was a good place to start.
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  • Profile picture of the author warrior2008
    Yes, very nice. Mike Filsaime and his crew are great, fun, and smart guys and PDC has served me well however, PG is a great new place with low fees and it is good to have options.
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