Streamline Funnel System?

15 years ago

Hey Gamer:

I'm in the pre-launch. Paid 0 so far so I'm not sure if it will be https when the post launch site is up and members start paying.

I first came across creator Paul Birdsell about 1.5 yrs ago; he was creating similar software for Shaklee. But then, you still had to promote it and most newbs like myself, drop the ball. So this system, if it works, will solve the tech/learning curve problem. I think it's worth $10 to see if it works. No aff link

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vicone

15 years ago

I'm on the pre-launch list and received the invite to sign up today. Basically all it supplied was a sign-up page, with payment by credit card.

Past experience has shown trying to cancel credit card authorities for continuing payments to be a pain in the butt. So I haven't proceeded. If they'd offered Paypal as a payment alternative, I'd have given it a go.

Would be interested to hear what others think of it, especially those who DO sign up.

Ivan

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atleast1000aday 15 years ago

Hi everybody!

I have signed-up with Streamline Funnel, and the reason why I felt comfortable with it (besides the obvious high-tech features) is the fact that I am Canadian, and I have been working online for the last 8 years, and Paul Birdsall being a Canadian too, has given me the chance to watch his path and his progression online, and know where he is coming from, what he has done, talked to him over the phone... Summarizing, he is no stranger to me. I pretty much trust him and I believe in his latest technology, it will deliver results.
In all spheres of life, one has to take a certain margin of risk, even if you are starting a conventional business... Otherwise, one just isn't a good fit for the whole entrepreneurial sector... From my experience, his new endeavor is going to create a lot of successful stories on World Wide Web...
If I can be of any help, let me know...
I'm new here and cannot submit my link, so if you would like to sign up with Streamline Funnel, send me an email that I could use to get in touch with you and I will send you the link...
As for now, may God bless you all...
Lis
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  Hey please if you can help tell Pual Birdsall and his gangs to return all the money they stooled from my credit account, before I take action on them, that will be great. Thanks.
  
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  vicone 14 years ago
  
  This thread is a good example of why I never enter into subscriptions or continuity programs unless I am able to quickly cancel if the need arises.
  
  This means I never accept a merchant's card processing facility. Almost always I choose Paypal for subscription payments as they have an easy system that allows me to immediately cancel if I wish to do so. There is no need to send begging letters to the merchant in the hope he will receive and act on a cancellation request. If the merchant does not accept payment by Paypal, no matter how attractive the offer seems, I pass it up.
  
  Yes, I know that I will from time to time miss out on some fine, legitimate products. I'm also spared a lot of time-consuming, stressful aggravation and the need to pursue money that was wasted on products and services that were worthless or of little value.
  
  Without those distractions, I'm free to focus on projects that have shown to be more worthwhile. I prefer to quickly discard those things that don't work so I can pay more attention to the things that do.
  
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Jim M

15 years ago

Originally Posted by vicone

I'm on the pre-launch list and received the invite to sign up today. Basically all it supplied was a sign-up page, with payment by credit card.

Past experience has shown trying to cancel credit card authorities for continuing payments to be a pain in the butt. So I haven't proceeded. If they'd offered Paypal as a payment alternative, I'd have given it a go.

Would be interested to hear what others think of it, especially those who DO sign up.

Ivan

Hi,

I've signed up (I think now foolishly) - but I try things like this with an account I keep only a few dollars in so it can't be emptied.

Don't like it at all - has scam written all over it as far as I'm concerned.

Front end says $9.99 nothing about ongoing payments

Back end small print says $9.99 for 3 days access - then it's $39 a month - heres the thing - inside theres nothing - no members details page, no support page etc etc - everything is 'coming soon'

Also - the small print says 'no refunds under any circumstances' - which is illegal in Europe under direct selling legislation - don't know about USA

Anyone who has signed up to this - please prove me wrong - but it doesn't look good from my point of view.

Just found this in another forum

http://www.whydowork.com/forums/paul...ar-t25364.html

Jim

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RickHunter

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jim M

Hi,

I've signed up (I think now foolishly) - but I try things like this with an account I keep only a few dollars in so it can't be emptied.

Don't like it at all - has scam written all over it as far as I'm concerned.

Front end says $9.99 nothing about ongoing payments

Back end small print says $9.99 for 3 days access - then it's $39 a month - here's the thing - inside there's nothing - no members details page, no support page etc etc - everything is 'coming soon'

Also - the small print says 'no refunds under any circumstances' - which is illegal in Europe under direct selling legislation - don't know about USA

Anyone who has signed up to this - please prove me wrong - but it doesn't look good from my point of view.

Just found this in another forum

Paul Birdsall and Streamline Funnel System - Steer Clear! : Work at Home Scam Reports

Jim

I signed up for it, held it for almost 2 months, Didn't get a single signup! I did get emails from safe lists (that the SFS rotator also uses) that I used to advertise on before I learned how to be a "heavy hitter" in referral marketing. Here's what I've learned about the Streamline Funnel (money out of your bank account) System.

1. You get billed 9.99 for the first 3 days, After that you are billed 29.99 a month for 10,000 "opt-in" leads... What they DON'T tell you is that those leads are gathered from a webcrawler that advertises a rotator on various safe lists where thousands of other people are advertising their programs. Most people just scroll though the email and click the link to get advertising credits without even bothering to look at the site or offer ( those are your "quality" opt-in leads). I know this for a fact because I've been there, done that!

2. After you join there is a message in the FAQs that says NO REFUNDS, NO EXCEPTIONS! There is also the disclaimer policy that says some members may make little or no money with this system.

3. They don't allow you to advertise anything in their message forum other than the Streamline Funnel System related stuff.

4. You DO NOT make any money from your total downline, only those you personally refer. The downline total is just a total waste of space.

5. The Streamline Funnel System is the only program they will put on their rotator. If you have other programs to advertise, Good luck with that!

6. The Streamline Funnel System is 100% dependent upon recruiting to pay those already in the system ( PYRAMID SCHEME!). They DO NOT have a product to sell ( unless you count buying bigger lead packages to try recruiting more people), should people stop signing up for the Streamline Fraud.... Oh I meant Funnel System this thing would fall apart.

7. They have NO Telephone Support phone # listed, NO physical street address on their site anywhere, and when I wrote to them on the message board about what they were offering for 29.99 a month other than a recruiting system, They could not answer me and tried to change the subject.

8. Google the Streamline Funnel System find out what others have to say about it.

After a month and a half I did get back $9 out of the almost $70 I spent on it, but I still can't claim I made anything since I'm still $61 in the hole!

If anyone is still interested in The Streamline Funnel System now, I wish you luck.... You're gonna need it!

Rick

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thriftgirl62

15 years ago

Lead Packages, Emali Blasts, 25-Link Rotators? Web 3.0? This is the Rotator being used for Streamline Funnel System:

www-hitspinner.com/rotator.php?uid=481&rid=1

Enter above URL into your browser and see which Member ID's come up each
time you enter it 25 different time. Then change the number 1 on the end to
any number between starting with 64 through 80.

Members ID# 37429 ID# 2408 ID# 10714 have come up and there are few more but... Only the Top Leaders ID# are rotating and these leads are for Paul Birdsall's Shaklee Partners-In-Profit business....clearly Bait and Switch.

Here is another Rotator being used to promote the Streamline Funnel System
but only for the 2 top leaders....

www-hitspinner.com/rotator.php?uid=390&rid=54
The above Rotator only redirects to these 2 pages:
www-streamlinefunnelsystem.com/?ID=102
www-streamlinefunnelsystem.com/?ID=103

ID #103 just happens to be Karl Airey - Partners-in-Profit and one of
the SFS Leaders clearly shown by Domain Registrations in his name.

This looks like a 3-month plan with the grand finale on 9/25/09 - the Las Vegas Summit at The Venetian Hotel where the SFS Funnel System would be quietly replaced by Shaklee's Gold or Green $299 entry required to "leverage the downline from the Streamline Funnel System" that everyone would profit on...

The future earnings from the 2,000 - 8,000 downline number has always been the big feature question in the non-existent back office. The answer is always promises of fulfillment in large measure for those who wait patiently. Imaginations feed on the latest in a long history of far fetched outlandish promises that keep people streaming in and others waiting for nothing.

They never thought they would be caught hi-jacking leads and now they are trying to shut people up by immediately refunding and cancelling memberships, lead packages, monthly fees including the $9.99 ...
Send your request by email to George Briere: sfslogin at gmail dot com

Paul Birdsall,CEO and Founder Web 3.0
Jackie Birdsall -- Wife, Registered Domain Holder
Karl Airey, Chief Systems Design
Karl Airey, 2613 14 Ave N, Lethbridge, AB T1H 4C8, Canada
George Briere, Member Support Executive
Chris Pearson, Chief Financial Officer <==aka Chris Dockery in Las Vegas, NV
Christine Pearson - Las Vegas Summit Organizer
Felipe Haro, Head Programmer

Everyone is Wecome to attend the Las Vegas Millionaire Summit at
The Venetian Hotel - Poolside Meeting on Friday 9/25 7:00 pm
Please call 877-283-6423 OR 702-414-1000 and give them code RPART when you are ready to book your room for the Millionaire's Club Summit weekend!

Agenda: Confront Paul and Clowns for straight answers. If he doesn't do well with the Q & A session, he's going to demonstrate, fully clothed, how long FAT Floats....Don't miss this intimate meeting poolside...refreshments and entertainment you don't want to miss!! I Love Las Vegas!

**send a Blank email to

free at 43yrs dot com

for more details, including the GST Failure to Pay $82K Tax Conviction on 7/15 while he was in St Louis at a Shaklee Convention. He claimed it was SFS Meetings and as it turns out, that is the first time he told the truth but nobody believed him...they swear it was all about Shaklee ...it was all about Bait and Switch Fast Plans....

He also stated later they didn't have the technology in St. Louis to upload the VLOG that was a week late...this Web 3.0 Wonder Boy can't even upload a simple Vlog? :confused:

and I was going to make this short ..and I'm not finished yet!! What about the Web 3.0 Founder Claims and the missing software?? Read on...next post.

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thriftgirl62

15 years ago

Paul Birdsall is the self-proclaimed Founder of Web 3.0 now! He developed some software using Web 3.0 technology that doesn't exist either! That's why nobody knows what it is...how would you know?

This Poster Boy for Useless people has some nerve. He lied with special circumstances. He knew people would believe him. . I can't even watch those VLOGs without putting my computer in grave danger of abuse!!

Web 3.0" was the future of the Semantic Web 10 years ago.... and it just means the 3rd stage the Semantic Web is in. It's a SMART Web and Semantic refers to meaningful - Information overload will be replaced with relevant, useful information that matters.

Marketers use Web 3.0 because they can't explain RDF Triples, SPARQL queries, relational data bases or associating metadata with statements in RDF...they don't even know what a Petabyte or an Exabyte is. www-youtube.com/watch?v=4R8BlHRXRkE <==Very Funny Video.

The so-called blasts or lead packs don't exist. NO member ID's are rotated. What is so hard for most people on other forums to understand about that? Why is everyone (not here) still under the illusion of a Rotator that is going to have their LINK on it? Winning the lottery is a safer bet!

To the disillusioned: If you find your member ID number on any of these Rotators, please come back post it for us -- I hope you all find your links there. I really do want to be wrong so please check and see.

NOTE: The members here are way ahead in their due diligence and common sense and gee, I bet you even comprehend the no-affiliate-Id-on-Rotator concept too!

The absolute kicker to this will make even the jaded upset and even angry. They are clearly targeting

RETIRED ELDERLY people and noob-tards. That is the simple reason why he won't be allowed to get away with this...it's mission not impossible. The Las Vegas Trip is real - join us if you can..it won't be boring......

(Leah Dubyk is thriftgirl62 on Twitter and Facebook)

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DGK

15 years ago

I joined the SFS just before launch,

and was duped again.....4- 40K lead packs.....that's 160,000 double opt-in leads at $370 each....That cost me $1600.00 Canadian.

Results....1 signup.... he was much smarter than me....he quit before he got started....guess he saw the light

I should have seen the light when they started to control the so-called forum.....No negative posts allowed here....what ever happened to freedom of speech...Anyway it was already too late because I had already purchased my lead packs, and the rules state that there are no refunds under any circumstances.....

So my advice....stay away! Yes there are those that will make a pot full of money....Paul Birdsall and his gang will be right at the top..

This isn't the first time I have lost money on a get rich quick scheme, but it will be the last...The big draw for me was that you could join and put your business on auto-pilot....Paul said he would take care of everythig....well he sure took care of me....what a ride!

Are there any honest network marketer's out there?

DGK

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thriftgirl62 15 years ago

Well, I am an honest person but not a marketer. I'm
still wondering why people buy lies and step on the truth?

I guess the truth is not as appealing - anyway - I've got a deal
for you, dear Sir. I hope you have White hair but if you don't
that's okay too.

This is how SFS was supposed to look but it never came close...to this: www.vacation.cez1.com

Send an Request for Refund email to: pbirdsall@shaw.ca or cmpearson78@gmail.com
or support@streamlinefunnelsystem.com or mypipmarketing@gmail.com

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Kurt Henninger

15 years ago

Originally Posted by DGK

I joined the SFS just before launch,

and was duped again.....4- 40K lead packs.....that's 160,000 double opt-in leads at $370 each....That cost me $1600.00 Canadian.

Results....1 signup.... he was much smarter than me....he quit before he got started....guess he saw the light

I should have seen the light when they started to control the so-called forum.....No negative posts allowed here....what ever happened to freedom of speech...Anyway it was already too late because I had already purchased my lead packs, and the rules state that there are no refunds under any circumstances.....

So my advice....stay away! Yes there are those that will make a pot full of money....Paul Birdsall and his gang will be right at the top..

This isn't the first time I have lost money on a get rich quick scheme, but it will be the last...The big draw for me was that you could join and put your business on auto-pilot....Paul said he would take care of everythig....well he sure took care of me....what a ride!

Are there any honest network marketer's out there?

DGK

Hey man, I am extremely sorry you lost so much money.

But, the lesson here is that ANYTHING that promises easy money, or complete auto-pilot business is just straight-up a crock of #$%^

Systems DO help and greatly increase your chance of success, but in the end, its up to you to earn the profit, not others.

Unfortunately this seems to have gotten people caught up on a hope and prayer and trying to "win the lottery".

By best advice.....learn to generate traffic in one form or another.....build a list of subscribers.....build trust with that list, and provide real solutions to them and people WILL buy.

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Pearl 15 years ago

I want to thank all of you who have posted here about Streamline Funnel.
You have all saved me from making a costly mistake.

I was about to join SFS last night but something stopped me.
I did see on the SFS page that says there is a $9.95 + $39.95 fee due at time of sign up and the guy on the video also states it.

I guess he probably read what people are saying about this person not being honest and upfront because his site now states everything upfront but still your comments here are mostly negative, so I think I'll save my money this time and hopefully other people will come here first before joining SFS

Thanks again for the heads up.
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spencer1155

15 years ago

I don't like the tactics. They are very hush hush with the details until you start to spend money. They advertised during pre-launch that for $9.95 for the first month you get 10,000 exclusive double opt-in leads. So then you spend your $10 sign up and then I find out that the $10 is for a 3-day trial period and you don't get any leads. If you want leads it cost you $39.95 per month for your 10,000 leads per month. Okay not happy that it wasn't disclosed up front but I can live with that. Then upon further investigation I find that the "exclusive" 10,000 leads are actually not 10,000 for you. You are put into a rotator with 24 other people so in actuality all things being equal you are getting 400 leads per month NOT the 10,000 they are advertising. Bottom line is I can't do business with people like that. It may be the best opportunity on the planet but I will not get involved with people that are dishonest. The way I look at it a lie of omission is no better than a lie of commision. Be careful of Mr. Birdsall and Chris Pearson.

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ExRat 15 years ago

Hi,

I've had to moderate a few spam threads created in main discusiion in the last few days, all going on about web 3.0 BS and linking to this program.

I realise that his doesn't tell you much, but in my experience, from what I have seen of it already I wouldn't waste a second of my time going within a mile of it. At first glance, it looks like someone trying to jump on the reversefunnelsystem bandwagon - another crappy program that caused untold spam problems in the forum thanks to Johnathan Budd and his multiple identities and continual BS.
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- AmbitiousBlonde 15 years ago
  
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  Thank you for the information on Paul Birdsall & Streamline Funnel System.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
  
  I too was concerned when I went to sign up & the page was not secured with an https: That was my first clue.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
  How does a marketer who spent $92,000 (so he says) for a program not have the site secured for the people coming on board with him.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
  
  I also tried to look at the Terms & Services and that was unavailable at the time I was going to sign up (2nd clue). So, I decided to wait & see what others had to say before giving my cc info.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
  
  I did send him an email regarding the secured site issue, but have not recieved a response. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
  
  I really believed in what he had to say & was promoting the SFS, had about 5 personal sign ups & 31,000+ people in my so called "downline". I saw this system advertised all over the internet, even by top marketers, so I thought it may be legit. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
  
  I think his pre-launch campaign is extremely disceptive. But, he sure got a lot of leads for his program. I'd say approximately 35,000+.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
  
  I will sit tight for another day & will see what others have to say.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
  Funny, how out of all of these posts, there is only one person that has a positive comment to say out Paul Birdsall.
  
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skywalker1

15 years ago

Hey, Gang! So glad I found you! I joined last night. Same as you--found out AFTER I paid the $9.99 that it was really $39.95 PER MONTH, and that the $9.99 was a three-day whatever-the-hell it is. This was NOT DISCLOSED in any of the pre-launch info, including the videos. THIS IS A SCAM. But HELP--I have emailed them twice, once to Paul Birdsall's emails during pre-launch and this morning hype (TO WHICH I RECEIVED NO RESPONSE) and once to their support, which by the way, has no email name, just a "click here" link that brings you to an outlook express page which i cannot send from. So I emailed again and awaiting a response which I am sure will never come. So now, HOW DO I CANCEL???

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2Quick

15 years ago

I don't see where you guys and gals are seeing downline numbers or how many members have joined after you? There are some new items that were not there yesterday after joining, like being able to give Paypal info now and also a link for support tickets.

Jeff

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atleast1000aday 15 years ago

Thank you guys for all the honest facts here, it certainly opened my eyes... I had a good impression on Paul Birdsall, but I'm not crazy for him... I'm totally open to the facts, and again thanks for exposing some of them...
I did get very disappointed for all the "additional unexpected" costs and subtraction in content (under delivering)... It is clear SFS changed plans in the last minute... I joined at $9.95 but I'm dropping the whole thing at this point...
Thanks again...
Lis
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chadashzvi

15 years ago

my friends funnel system made me money on the first day of the lounch
and i have 6 paid members in my down line that means a residual income for me
it's not a scam,so please avoid reading all that negetive response here about
stream funnel system so let me help you and reply to me....

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spencer1155

15 years ago

Originally Posted by chadashzvi

my friends funnel system made me money on the first day of the lounch
and i have 6 paid members in my down line that means a residual income for me
it's not a scam,so please avoid reading all that negetive response here about
stream funnel system so let me help you and reply to me....

The point is that nobody really said it was a scam. The point being made was that during pre-launch he promised XYZ and then once you joined it was a different tune. Like I said in my post earlier it could be the best thing since the wheel but if I'm going to promote and put my name on it I have to feel comfortable and I DON"T. It takes years to build a good reputation and only minutes to ruin it.

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lmf3721

15 years ago

Please read this concerning Streamline Funnel and Paul Birdsall that I sent someone yesterday. I agree with all of you. Let's work together to stop this guy. As you say, it may not be an outright scam but he is certainly unethical. Please, please, let's bring this guy down. Let's work together. I plan on sending out warnings to people on my safelists and mailing lists. In other words, I am willing to use some of my own adv. dollars to spread the negative word about this guy. Will anybody join me? As far as I'm concerned he's a crook. I want to work with good honest people of which I have found a couple recently and will continue my slow progress with them. Atleast they are honest and disclose all. Everyone wants the quick riches Birdsall promises, but in the end that's all they are false promises.

"I already joined the streamline funnel sponsored by Paul Birdsall himself, I had got an email from him. Sorry, wish I would have seen your link first, I would have come in under you. I am not as high on him as you are though. Felt I got burnt on a previous thing of his called Streamline Magic. Felt his adv. was very misleading if not unethical. I wouldn't say lies, but yeah just that misleading. Joined streamline, upgraded to gold ambassador (which i'm hearing again in Steamline Funnel, wonder if what they are calling there primary opportunity is Shaklee as well as it was with Streamline Magic) Short of it is I did make some commisions promoting Streamline Magic which cost around 29 a month and you got like 17 commission. Had over a hundrred in commission, nothing to brag about but still. Well I went into my site one day and my complete downline/commissions were gone. I think I may have cancelled my membership to Streamline but still had time on that month to be able to go in and get my commissions. Well, the few times support did get back to me on other issues they were extremely short and seemed relatively unconcerned, always had to wait like a week to hear from them. After the money issue since I couldn't get into my streamline site, I tried a few times to contact Paul Birdsall himself through email, might of even tried to call once, never heard one word back from him.
So, all that being said, I don't trust the guy, but nonehtheless for now give him benefit of the doubt. Maybe he never received my messages, etc.
I guess I feel his ads are a bit misleading, and I know alot of the big hitters are, so that in itself doesn't make him evil. But I am seeing already with streamline funnel the same pattern I saw with Streamline Magic. For example, did you think there was going to be another 39 dollar charge for mo. membership, and that the 9.99 initial offering was only going to be a 3 day intro. offer. Never in pre-launch was that mentioned. And I looked into it all pretty good. Listend to a recorded call by Paul and attended a webinar by Chris Pearson. so, if for 39 bucks you get the 10,000 leads which it appears you will (now I know different, it's only 400), I might do it just this first month (NOT, after reading this), kind of take a chance. If it works, he will be back in my better graces. If not, I'm out 50 bucks I guess. Definitely won't and would recommend nobody else buy additional lead packages until they prove it works. For now I remain skeptical unfortunately because I have been burned too many times."

p.s. to the woman who said she wrote to Paul himself, NO, you will not hear back. He's my personal sponsor in both streamline funnel and was in Streamline Magic as well. Never once heard back from him. I'd like to get my hands on this guy!!!!!

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oic800

15 years ago

Before joining this program consider the value of these so called leads. Attraction marketing for MLM can be very profitable but if all of the leads are only there to sell their individual programs, then your best opportunity is to sell more MLM lead generation information to these leads, not your MLM program. And if a good majority are all selling MLM lead generation info, then its just a waste of rotation except to those who got in earliest.

Do you really want to bring people into this type of situation and expect their respect and trust in return? Or do you really want to build a good team and trusted downline? Longevity is the key to MLM, not signups or sponsorships. You need a rock solid company, honest product and intelligent upline...have you found that in this company?

This will turn out to be a profitable venture for quite a few people, but probably a bad experience for most...do you want to be the one to lead sheep to slaughter? Remember any con (not saying that this is a con) plays upon the greed of the mark.

Any good marketer becomes good through smart work...more times than not it's also hard work. You should always be wary of any program promising big money for no work. Lessons are learned through trial and error and I hope this error won't leave a bad mark on your good names as a reputable internet marketers be it involving MLM or not.

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spencer1155

15 years ago

Originally Posted by oic800

Do you really want to bring people into this type of situation and expect their respect and trust in return? Or do you really want to build a good team and trusted downline? Longevity is the key to MLM, not signups or sponsorships. You need a rock solid company, honest product and intelligent upline...have you found that in this company?

I agree 100%! And the answer is no I don't want to be responsible for leading the sheep to slaughter. As I mentioned in my earlier post I'm more interested in reputation and integrity than $$$. Don't get me wrong I'm all for making money, but I know it can be attained ethically.

I still don't know how the pay plan is structured in this program. I do know that if you pay your $39.95 per month for your 400 leads your direct sponsor gets $15.00. Now if Mr Birdsall gets the rest (which I don't know because he's been very tight lipped about the whole thing) that is quite a lucrative racket for him.

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Joe Englert

15 years ago

I can't even get a support ticket to cancel. It just says a new support page is loading

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spencer1155 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Englert

I can't even get a support ticket to cancel. It just says a new support page is loading

I actually sent them a request to cancel my membership and I listed out the reasons, similar to what I've said in this thread and I actually heard back from them within 2-hours and they said it was canceled. Maybe I was lucky?
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- JBanis 15 years ago
  
  I signed up, perhaps stupidly, but once I had paid, nothing happened: no membership site, no email support, nothing. Does anyone have the correct email for the support desk that you, spencer1155, did get a response from? Or does anyone know what I should see right after you pay?
  
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tgurlpippin

15 years ago

My Friend ... just told me he purchased the 40k leads for $370.00.

The system has been "engaged" for three days and not one new sign-up ... in three days?

weird.

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abhirst

15 years ago

There are some mixed opinions on this program, see for yourself.
Opinions on Streamline Funnel System | The Lounge | MLM Home Business Training Forums | betternetworker.com

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spencer1155 15 years ago

JBanis,

I didn't have an email address I just clicked on the link on the support page. Since I'm no longer a paid member I don't have access to it anymore. I wish I could tell you more, good luck.
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- JBanis 15 years ago
  
  No worries, thanks anyway. There are definitely some irregularities going on...
  
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scafidi

15 years ago

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All over the internet, there have been emails
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At its core, the streamline funnel system is another online business opportunity building system built and designed by Paul Birdsall, who actually has built many successful MLM internet systems in the past, namely Pay-It-Forward 4 Profits, and Streamline Magic.

Paul Birdsall is an internet marketing millionaire who's known through out the internet marketing community as a trend setter, and now Paul Birdsall has not only spent 14 months creating this amazing WEB 3.0 revolutionary Stream Line Funnel System software, he invested an astonishing $92,000 of his own funds to make the Stream Line Funnel System available to every internet marketer from the expert, to the newbie.

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JBanis 15 years ago

Im afraid a simple summing up of the salespage benefits here doesn't satisfy me Scafidi.

My Email isnt recognised by them, my login doesnt work, I have yet to see the membership site. No idea what is going on. Yet, they did acknowledge I had accidently clicked the buy button twice and cancelled one of them...you'd think that means that my details had gone through right? So why doesnt it work....

Ah...another life lesson, this one cost 10 bucks :-)

J
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timeisnow3

15 years ago

Originally Posted by chadash

i made $300 on the first day, what is wrong with you people

hey chadash, I am a member of streamline as well. did you purchase additional lead packages? I havent yet, but was wondering how and if we benefit from our downline that is showing in our back office

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Kurt Henninger 15 years ago

10,000 leads for $10? You gotta be kidding me. Seriously, there is no way these are unique, double opt-in leads, these are undoubtedly re-hased, re-sold.

There is a really good thread going on in the betternetworker forum about this as well.

Opinions on Streamline Funnel System | The Lounge | MLM Home Business Training Forums | betternetworker.com

A bit of advice to everyone using the system......just go ahead and learn how to generate leads yourself.

Its a lifetime skill which once you master, you will always have your own list forever to market to and never have to buy leads ever again.

Its absolutely worth the investment in yourself and your business.

Its really interesting with the negativity going on about this. I know that the gentleman has previously created two killer system (payitforward4profits and streamlinemagic) that produced exceptionally large downlines for him in two seperate organizations. So his track record is very good. This is one to pass on though.
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BobAshman182

15 years ago

I too have joined this product of the land of OZ, I hope that the man behind the curtain can produce what he is spewing. I joined July 8th of this year and also went the additional mile for the max leads, so most of you now have company. I would just like to get a valid email address for their support as the one I have is not going through as deliverable.

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Matt_Hefner 15 years ago

The support email for the streamline funnel system is support@ streamlinefunnelsystem.com Close the gap because I can't post an email address

The lead package emails have not been sent yet. Still working on bugs. Some people are not able to log in because of glitches and so on.

I joined right at the beginning and personally sponsored several people. I have made around $400 in commissions so far and will have a pretty nice little residual income if my personally sponsored stay attached.

For everyone who said that the $39.95 was not mentioned beforehand you are right but Paul did say that this would be a funded proposal so I expected there to be a more to it than just the $10 price tag. You can't just listen you have to listen!
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- JBanis 15 years ago
  
  Thanks for the email Matt. I actually found it later. I'm still waiting to hear back from support.
  
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  Kurt Henninger 15 years ago
  
  So for those of you on the "inside" what are you actually promoting to those leads?
  
  Sounds to me like its a case of you buy leads to promote the system to.....who buy leads to promote the system to.....and it keeps going.
  
  Is there an actual product or information or value being promoted or is it just a way to keep promoting the "system"?
  
  Let me just caution you...anytime the leads are "yours".....you still have to import them to an auto-responder...only then will they be truly yours and you can do what you want with them.
  
  In most cases, these leads have to opt-in again to your own auto-responder.
  
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  skywalker1 15 years ago
  
  My personal experience--on July 8, I asked for a refund and cancellation, not being happy with his purposefully NOT disclosing the $39.95 charge. That smelled of bait and switch, so I lost trust and wanted out. On July 9, I got the standard long email most of us who asked for a refund got trying to get me not to cancel. I said thank you, but no, and again asked for the refund and cancellation. I heard nothing, so on July 10, I asked for the refund in an email AGAIN. This time, on July 12, they said I was refunded and cancelled. It is now July 23, and NO REFUND in my credit card. Actually--you will LOVE this next one--
  
  On July 20, I bugged them AGAIN in an email and asked, "Are you ever going to refund me?" I asked if they were proud of being scam artists and criminals. The response I got the VERY NEXT DAY, July 21, was (and I quote) "yes, we are." Yes they are WHAT? Proud of being criminals or Yes, they are going to refund me? You guys tell me what they meant? I emailed that question and got no response, and STILL no refund.
  
  The issue is NOT $9.99. I crusade I am on is NOT TO LET PEOPLE LIKE HIM GET AWAY WITH THIS. My credit card company will take care of this, especially with this string of emails. But I agree with you all, he needs to be taken down. But how?
  
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EmanuelR

15 years ago

I was tempted to sign-up for this program since it was only a 9.95 investment. Then I heard about the monthly fee of 39.95 then that caught my attention for further investigation. I was looking for the fine prints so I can read about the money back guarantee but couldn't find that posted.

Then my next step was to goggle this program and find out what others are saying about it. Well, from my research I found that there are 12 to 3 ratio of negative responses about this programs. 12 out of 15 people online say negative remarks about this business opportunity and that made my decision not to join this program.

The risk was too high to take a gamble on - when you research what most unbiased people say about this program - which result in a message that say "stay clear and far away from this program." I got the message loud and clear.

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b0ndr3ws

15 years ago

I joined under the 9.99 trial offer. I do not know how others found the program but when I joined it was made clear to me that it would be an ongoing 39.95 per month to be part of ther program.

What I did not understand was that it was a closed program/bizopp of its own. I thought it was a tool that I could use to generate leads for my other business and after getting into the back office I realized it was not what I wanted and as such decided to quit it so as not to add one more thing to my business.

I then requested a refund from the support desk and I did not get any response after 12 hours which always makes me nervous. I then did some research that I should have done before joining and did not find many positive things about Paul or his other programs. I then received my reciept from Christoper Pearson the CFO listed in the website.

I sent him an email requesting that my membership be cancelled and he responded within 10 minutes informing me that I was cancelled. So regardless of everything else I have read and cannot speak to about the program or other programs I have to say that at the very least Christopher is professional and responsive.

If that is an indication of the people that are part of the program perhaps those that are interested in this program can be comfortable in running with it and giving it a fair try.

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whizkeybob

15 years ago

As of 10/8
I believe that you did the right thing. The following is my experience with SFS.
I have been a member since late June. I have purchased two basic packages and two 10K lead Packs (10,000 leads per package). After many promises two of my packages were placed into the "to be broadcast mode". Have they been released? What happened to the other two packages?

I have submitted 4 support tickets, the oldest was 4 weeks ago. No response yet. Based on the supposed 2-3 times per week owner Vlog, the last one being on 9/18 all lead packages have been completely processed.

I calculated, based on the number of Forum members, that at least 3000 members have purchased at least 12,000 lead packages which include two basic and two 10K lead packages. These figures are ultra conservative. Based on messages in the Forum bragging about signups from the lead packages, about 50 new signups have been reported. I assume that another 50 have been received that have not been reported. Based on these assumptions there have been one new signup per 120 lead packages.

The signup percentage is so low that the costs to remain a member are absolutely impractical.

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sexymarketer

15 years ago

The Streamline Funnel System IMHO was not properly planned and communicated well. Paul Birdsall made it seem that people would receive 10k leads on their very own instead of sharing the 10k leads with about 5 - 7 other members. I've made money with the SLFS yet I've had to drop the program because of the unethical marketing methods used by Birdsall and Co.

I've actually repaid all of my profits back to the folks who purchased leads in my downline.

In conclusion... The SLFS is a very good concept, but when greed gets involved along with marketing deception it only spells DISASTER for the next launch Paul Birdsall and crew come out with next time.

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- keddy1 14 years ago
  
  I had never heard of it before.but now I suppose I know much of it.this is a very informative thread for me
  
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Sumaryan85

14 years ago

I have joined few months ago, my credit card is billed $ 9,95 per month. And I cant even login to the member area.

I have contact the support thousand times, NO REPLY.

Do Not Join, Bro

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thriftgirl62 14 years ago
www-streamlinefunnelsystem.com/?ID=102
www-streamlinefunnelsystem.com/?ID=103 <<===Karl Airey Shakley

UPDATE Latest SFS News:

On October 22nd, Karl Airey, 25% Owner of Steamline Funnel System was FIRED from his Original duties as Co-Creator and System Designer as well as the programmer duities he took over when the real programmer was fired in July. That's when Karl Airey, also a trusted friend, did the other 3 owners, Paul, Chris and George a big favor by offering to handle the programmer's duties too. Hmmm, I guess he faked his programming skills by googling alot for instructions.

Now we know the reason why there were so many failures and excuses.
- Pages had no scripts, `some pages were static
- dates didn't change, `problems uploading video,
- templates were different `No Back Office & No Help Desk
- no SSL security, `credit cards double charged
- the redirects didn't make sense, the rotators were off
- no mailing list updates, `4-5 links emails failed spam test
ID #103 just happens to be Karl Airey whose Member ID never left the cozy Rotators in question. It was always working overtime, included in every single promotional email that was ever emailed. Plus his own Shaklee program was piggy backed with the SFS mailings a couple of times.

After being fired on the 22nd, he immediately started emailing the SFS Lists, both canceled and current members and claimed to be another victim of this bad company.

Let's analyze this for 2 seconds:

Karl Airey, cries VICTIM because he was fired for all of the above. He states in his Video retaliation that HE did not have control over the Rotator "problems" and admits there were no email blasts but he didn't handle the emails either. www.karlairey.com

He also laughs about the WEB 3.0 that he thought was there but now he realizes that wasn't true. He was duped into thinking the Software was real. Huh? Programmers KNOW. Okay?

So, gee Karl - Tell us please: Who came down from Heaven above to make sure YOUR member ID was everywhere there was email being sent? :confused: Another Co-Inky-Dink??

There are so many lessons we can all learn from this -- and so abuntantly clear, I won't even bother to list them!!
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- Gregory 14 years ago
  
  NEWS FLASH: Karl is NOT a programmer.
  
  According to one of Paul Birdsall's videos in the SFS members area, the original programer was replaced by a team of new programmers.
  
  BTW, did anyone notice that the newly relaunched Streamline Funnel System still promises 10,000 opt-ins?
  
  I have paid for over 100,000 double-optins and received zero ofter waiting month after month after month...
  
  My request for a refund has had zerrrro response.
  
  One other thing. Did anyone notice that Paul has turned SFS into it's own MLM company? (This violates the Shaklee agreement.)
  
  The new SFS is designed to do two obvious things:
  1. Make more money for Paul (Doh!)
  2. Promote MLM companies that directly compete with Shaklee.
  
  I'm not drinkin' the cool-aid this time around.
  
  I want to see some honest results.
  
  How about you.
  
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  craigc1980 14 years ago
  
  Here is my blog post on streamline funnel system.
  
  Also check the audios with paul birdsall firing karl airey
  
  Its kind of funny
  
  Steamline Funnel System Is A Scam..
  
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Alex Mensah

14 years ago

Yah, hidden costs can definately be expected with most products. I just wished people would keep it at a decent price and not excalate the backend product cost so freakin high. This would give a lot of newbies starting out on the web a chance to launch off on their own and not be broke before even getting started.

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whizkeybob 14 years ago

1/7/2010
SFS Cancellation Reasons/History

Note to SFS Support on 12/17

I want to cancel my membership ASAP. I request a confirmation indicating
that I will not be billed again for the Basic Membership and The Silver Package.

My reasons are as follows:

No valid response to Ticket ID: SEQ-493429. From my original membership
I had 2 Basic packages and 2 10K lead packages that were never broadcast.
If they had ever been broadcast where are the results?
For 40,000 leads I must have got a few hits.

My new membership was signed on 11/27 and my purchase of a Silver Package
was on 11/30. I have tracked the results of both packages and "hits" from
the Basic has averaged 2 per day and the Silver Package had averaged
26 per day but has dwindled to 13 per day.
There has been 4 trial signups, but I have no indication
which package generated the signups.

I received no response from Support, and toward the end of December
I sent a note requesting answers to all questions, but have never
received a response.

At the end of December I had accumulated 8 so-called trial members out of
about 700 clicks. By using a trick or two (signing up using another computer
and new ID), I determined that there are no such category as trial members
anymore, and that the 700 click total is actually exposures,
and the trial member total are actually clicks and not signups.
This in one month I got ZERO signups.

At December end I was billed again for the Basic Package.
The next day I cancelled my Credit card with the Card company,
and as a result SFS was not able to bill me again for the Silver Package.

My Credit Card company will soon be in the process of trying to
recover as much money as possible from SFS .
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