iWriter Claims To Do Copyscrape Test - But The Result is 100 Percent Match

by nik0 Banned
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I just ordered a 400 word article at iWriter, the article was delivered in 4 minutes and 28 seconds. I'm a fast writer myself but obvious that caught my suspicion.

iWriter claims during delivery that the article went through Copyscrape.

However by searching a part of a sentence that clearly couldn't be spun or anything I found an 100 percent exact match here:

http://goarticles.com/article/Portab...-Tips/5561735/

In other words they don't run it through Copyscrape at ALL like they claim in the screenshot below, (compare the article yourself I would say):



Yes I did order the cheapest option, but that doesn't take away the fact that they don't run it through Copyscrape as they claim. The article at goarticles is indexed in Google of course or I wouldn't have found it myself so they can't hide behind such excuse.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    As a follow up after this incident, I outsourced 35 articles and reviewed about half of them so far.

    Keep in mind I used the cheapest quality and the result is:

    - I had to reject 2 out of 12 as it was really too bad for words
    - 7 out of 12 were of marginal quality at best, small but important issue's here and there
    - 2 out of 12 were decent enough, though not great
    - 1 out of 12 was suitable for money site content

    Once again, let's be honest, this is the standard quality at $2,50/400 words, so you can't expect much better then that for that price of course.

    Good thing is that you can keep writers as favorites so I flagged 3 of them as favourites, afterall it's link building content and that doesn't have to win any awards.

    Anyway if you need some unique content and quick (35 articles complete in less then 4 hours) and plan to use it as link building content or for churn & burn purposes then it ain't that bad.

    In total I approved 10 out of 12 so I wasn't too picky at this price, if I had to pay the premium price of about $4,50/400 words I would have rejected 11 ouf of 12 but once again, different writers that went through the pre-screening would be used for that so I can't really say anything about that yet.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      As a follow up after this incident, I outsourced 35 articles and reviewed about half of them so far.

      Once again, let's be honest, this is the standard quality at $2,50/400 words, so you can't expect much better then that for that price of course.

      Good thing is that you can keep writers as favorites so I flagged 3 of them as favourites, afterall it's link building content and that doesn't have to win any awards.

      Anyway if you need some unique content and quick (35 articles complete in less then 4 hours) and plan to use it as link building content or for churn & burn purposes then it ain't that bad.

      In total I approved 10 out of 12 so I wasn't too picky at this price, if I had to pay the premium price of about $4,50/400 words I would have rejected 11 ouf of 12 but once again, different writers that went through the pre-screening would be used for that so I can't really say anything about that yet.
      Thanks Niko. Please do PM me, as I would like to help you get the most out of our platform. I'm confident that when used as intended, you'll be very happy with what you get. Appreciate it.

      Brad
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Solution: write your own copy (Dragon) or pay more for good quality. Either time is spent or money.
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    • Profile picture of the author thecableguy
      Could it be the individual doing the writing and not iWriter itself?

      Some software that's been going around for several years leaves the text you see in the browser intact while changing the ascii characters in the HTML sourcecode. Making it APPEAR to copyscape as original. If I remember correctly copying and pasting the article into notepad removes the ascii characters. I've heard some writers were doing this. The person who posted this suggested copying and pasting it into notepad first BEFORE accepting articles.

      I'd imagine only the cheapest option writers would try to pull something like this. Try reporting it to iWriter
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by thecableguy View Post

        Could it be the individual doing the writing and not iWriter itself?

        Some software that's been going around for several years leaves the text you see in the browser intact while changing the ascii characters in the HTML sourcecode. Making it APPEAR to copyscape as original. If I remember correctly copying and pasting the article into notepad removes the ascii characters. I've heard some writers were doing this. The person who posted this suggested copying and pasting it into notepad first BEFORE accepting articles.

        I'd imagine only the cheapest option writers would try to pull something like this. Try reporting it to iWriter
        I've reported it to iWriter, still waiting for a response.

        The article will show in image format before approving it so it can't be copied, only after approval (that means the writer gets paid) it's accessible.

        With new writers I just type over a few fragment of sentences (that I think can not be spun) in Google to check for duplicates, that's how I found out.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by thecableguy View Post

        Could it be the individual doing the writing and not iWriter itself?

        Some software that's been going around for several years leaves the text you see in the browser intact while changing the ascii characters in the HTML sourcecode. Making it APPEAR to copyscape as original. If I remember correctly copying and pasting the article into notepad removes the ascii characters. I've heard some writers were doing this. The person who posted this suggested copying and pasting it into notepad first BEFORE accepting articles.

        I'd imagine only the cheapest option writers would try to pull something like this. Try reporting it to iWriter
        I suppose that's what happened, would be nice if iWriter confirmed it instead of denying that there are ways around it. Couldn't post more proof then I already did.
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        • Profile picture of the author Oggyoi
          Is this a case where it's the unicode that's changed, to try to confuse Copyscape etc ?
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by Oggyoi View Post

            Is this a case where it's the unicode that's changed, to try to confuse Copyscape etc ?
            I don't know, I didn't approve the article so no way to check it as iwriter offers it in image format, so impossible to see what's going on.

            I submitted a spam report that I got zero response on, maybe that's not their way of working, who shall say, the writer is probably banned though and obvious I don't pay for it as the article is automatically rejected when you file a spam report.

            This "glitch" is quite time consuming though as there is zero guarantee that higher priced content writers, eg the premium writers, aren't pulling these type of tricks, would be very stupid if they did of course.

            Either way they could just as well not have a copyscrape test when it ain't working properly as now I still need to manual check every single article in Google instead of quickly reading over it to determine the quality.

            It's not just a matter of copying a sentence to Google with quotes around it, no you need to manually type it over as it's understandbly presented in image format and if they did a half decent job spinning it, you need to type over multiple fragments of sentences, which can easily waste a few minutes of my time per article and that;s a lot of time for someone like me who orders batches of 40 - 200 articles at a time and sometimes even much more then that.

            Heck, short 100 word articles for link building I could just as well write myself when I look how much time I spend on ordering, proof reading and double checking.

            Yeah sure we can add writers to a list of favorites so you don't have to keep doing this forever but an alternative is no excuse. They should just work on fixing the problem instead of finding ways around it like they are suggesting now. Nothing that he wrote indicates in any way that they try to fix the problem.

            Heck he even presents himself like a customer instead of the owner while it's pretty clear the platform belongs to him or a JV cooperation, this says enough on their blog page:

            "9. And lastly, contact us anytime at our help desk:
            http://www.bryxensoftware.com/support/

            Thanks again for choosing iWriter as your source for content.

            Have a great week!

            Brad Callen"
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    I've seen that type of software before..ugh. One thing folks seem to forget is that you've got to treat it like a business which means investing your time and money into it. I've always asked myself "will this long-term help my business profit or is it just shiny?" based on that I either go forward or stop. If there's any doubt as to whether or not a tool/service/course will help your business go further then don't do it. And yeah it sounds like the writer themselves although I've not heard good things about iWriter's vetting process.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post


    In other words they don't run it through Copyscrape at ALL like they claim in the screenshot below, (compare the article yourself I would say):
    Hey Niko, if an article is found to be copied from anywhere, we always refund the client, on our dime, with no questions asked.

    100% of articles are most definitely run through the Copyscape API. We are one of the, if not the largest client they have. You are welcome to write an article for a client by pasting in a copied article from somewhere online. You will not be able to submit it and we will highlight all problem areas of the content required for submission. Please do that if you are concerned that we don't Copyscape check every article. This will allow you to see how the submission process works for writers.

    If a writer tries to submit an article and it fails Copyscape 3 times, they are removed and banned from writing on the iWriter platform.

    With that said, when choosing standard writers, please keep in mind that your request is going into a pool of writers that are either brand new good writers, but haven't written enough to be promoted to premium or elite writer status yet OR writers that aren't good enough to be promoted OR the type of writer that wrote the article you're referring to. We do our best to block those types of writers, but as with any system, nothing is perfect. With standard writers, you always run a slight risk of getting back something less than great, but again, you don't pay a dime until you get what you want. So, it sort of depends on what's more important to you. Paying less than a penny a word and then having to reject some articles before getting what you want or paying slightly higher for a proven writer and not having to worry about rejecting before approving.

    This is why you have the option of paying a bit more (still extremely low prices) for proven writers (premium, elite, or elite plus) OR choosing standard and reviewing your articles before approving. And, in your case, if something odd happens, we will ALWAYS refund your payment on our dime.

    Also, like someone else mentioned, it's highly recommended to use the "Favorite Writers" feature to add writers you really like, to your fav list. This way you can basically build your own team of perfect writers. We have active writers, so there are plenty of really good people you can "favorite" and add to your team.

    Anyway, please use our support desk (iWriter : Article Writing Service | Get Content For Your Website, Cheap!) so we can get you taken care of. Or feel free to Private Message me.

    I'm here to help. I WANT you to get the best service with us. That's my #1 priority, so if you need anything at all, please just PM me. We're constantly trying to improve the process and are open to feedback that helps everyone, but please PM me out of respect to not clutter the forum.

    Thanks.

    Brad
    P.S. A writer like that won't last long in our system, so hopefully in your ticket you included the writer's username because by tomorrow they'll have been banned PERMANENTLY from our system.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

      Hey Niko, if an article is found to be copied from anywhere, we always refund the client, on our dime, with no questions asked.

      100% of articles are most definitely run through the Copyscape API. We are one of the, if not the largest client they have. You are welcome to write an article for a client by pasting in a copied article from somewhere online. You will not be able to submit it and we will highlight all problem areas of the content required for submission. Please do that if you are concerned that we don't Copyscape check every article. This will allow you to see how the submission process works for writers.
      Did you compare my screenshot to what is found at Goarticles?

      If 100 percent would run through Copyscrape I wouldn't end up with a 100 percent duplicate match would I? Unless you're suggesting I faked the screenshot.

      It seems you didn't even look at the screenshot, in other words not taking anything about it serious, if you would you would've seen the user name already as it's clearly present there.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

      So, it sort of depends on what's more important to you. Paying less than a penny a word and then having to reject some articles before getting what you want or paying slightly higher for a proven writer and not having to worry about rejecting before approving.
      No offense, but the two articles of premium content that I ordered were of pretty marginal quality as well, so I still have to worry about rejecting before approving, though the chance of ending up with a copied article is a lot lower of course.

      And that's the main reason why I use "standard" writers, simply cause the premium writers aren't much better so why would I pay 40-50 percent more for them. Your favorites list allows me to add standard writers to favorites so I can later use them to write "standard" content again at a low rate. Kudos for that.

      Like I said, out of 35 ordered articles there was only one decent enough to be promoted to the Premium section, he/she received 4.5 stars. The other 2 somewhat decent ones received 4 stars from me and I understand they need 4.1 stars to be promoted to Premium.

      Still I added about 6-8 writers to favorite, not cause they are so great, lot of sentences still read odd but they didn't seem to contain any major grammar / spelling issue's so it would still be suitable for link building content and that at a very low price.

      For me it would be useful if we could categorize our favorites, eg:

      - excellent writers
      - decent writers
      - marginal writers

      So that I can outsource my link building content to the marginal ones, my small affiliate site content to the decent ones and content for my authority styled sites to the excellent ones.

      Don't get me wrong but I order about 400.000 words/month on link building cotent and as we speak I pay $4000,-/month for that to my own writers while they could just as well write site content for me as they are of the "decent writers" category.

      That's why I fall over "small" things for you, but that could be a big thing for me as I could save about $1500/month on that, but not with a system that forces me to double check each article. Turn around time also plays a factor here, and with decent standard favorites that will slowly be promoted to premium I suppose I will be in an ever lasting rotation of trying new writers and thus non stop double checking to make sure it's not copied.

      Finding the writers I deal with now wasn't easy, and if they can write money site content for me while outsourcing the link building content to you guys, I save even more money as I don't have to hire $1,60/100 word writers for my sites content but instead just pay $1/100 words to my current writers, or perhaps I give them a raise to $1,20/100 words.
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  • Profile picture of the author DianaLensbury
    I gotta say, when you do manage to get a few very good writers into your favorites, iWriter turns out to be a fabulous resource. You never have to worry about copyscape once you've found genuine writers that you can rely on.
    Just wanted to give some warranted praise to iWriter for what can turn out to be a fabulous resource for some people.

    ~Diana
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    • Profile picture of the author prashanthk
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      I don't know, I didn't approve the article so no way to check it as iwriter offers it in image format, so impossible to see what's going on.
      I do believe using different encoding is it, or we have found a copyscape bug

      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      Heck, short 100 word articles for link building I could just as well write myself when I look how much time I spend on ordering, proof reading and double checking.
      Well said.
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