Alex Jeffrey's Coaching?

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Has anyone had any experience with Alex Jeffrey's coaching? I've bought a couple of his products and liked them and I'm thinking about taking the coaching program but its a significant investment and even he encouraged that we ask about him and do our homework. So if anyone has had any success with his coaching program please let me know the pros and cons. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author IMToThePoint
    Originally Posted by Tim Fuhrman View Post

    Has anyone had any experience with Alex Jeffrey's coaching? I've bought a couple of his products and liked them and I'm thinking about taking the coaching program but its a significant investment and even he encouraged that we ask about him and do our homework. So if anyone has had any success with his coaching program please let me know the pros and cons. Thanks!
    I haven't undergone Alex Jeffrey's Coaching however I am a member of his IM Mastermind which is a good membership site in itself. I have bought products of Alex's in the past and they do seem very good.

    It could pay if you just look at what he is doing at the moment.

    From what I can see he has low dollar entry points to his products which mostly payments going to affiliates who bring in his traffic and then offer upsells to his recurring membership sites which is were he is getting most of the money from and then upselling again to his private coaching for thousands of dollars.

    The format is pretty much a great sales funnel.

    It all depends on what stage you are at, a Mentor is always a fantastic option if you can afford it at the moment however you can build up a steady income first and then take the mentor coaching option when you have a little more knowledge totally up to you.

    Alex however is a straight up guy and there are probably others here that will tell you the same.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vault Boy
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    I'm new, but shouldn't this be in the review section? Not the IMDF section?
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Originally Posted by Tim Fuhrman View Post

    even he encouraged that we ask about him and do our homework.
    The thing about these "big name" gooroos is they've got so many affiliates willing to say just about anything to make a sale that you can't search for any gooroo without ending up knee deep in fake testimonials. There are so many of them and they've done so much SEO that any negative reviews get burred. Not to mention gooroo programs target newbies who may not even understand that they bought into crap. We see it all over this forum. Get rich quick scammers are constantly showered with praise here out of ignorance. I am *not* necessarily saying Alex Jeffreys falls into that group. I don't know enough about the guy to say. I'm just illustrating that the results of "doing your homework" usually bring about a false sense of security.

    With that being said, the only homework that really matters is simply asking the guy about his professional background outside of "make money online" info products. You need to get names of the specific projects that he has worked on and look into those. There should be some evidence of their success. Have a look at their progression on Archive.org, check the Alexa rank and if any half way decent tech sites ever mentioned it and whatever else. No one thing is a requirement. You're kind of just looking for the existence of something rather than nothing since the vast majority of these guys are fake gurus who have nothing to show. Those types (and some of them are very big names around here) are easy to weed out.
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  • Profile picture of the author JensSteyaert
    I think you don't need to be a genious to understand his entire business:
    -> You create cheap products
    -> You find a bunch of affiliates promoting for you
    -> You give the affiliates 100% commissions
    -> You ensure the affiliates get a high EPC
    -> You upsell the people that bought your product high ticket coaching programs
    -> Rinse and repeat with more products

    Et voila, that saves you thousands of dollars because the info to build your business like this can be found in $7 reports...

    While this is a good plan to make a lot of money, there is something that bothers me about this tactic, which is the fact that you need to leave out crucial valuable information in your cheap products in order to leave buyers clueless to increase the conversions on your coaching program. Sure if you get his coaching program, that's exactly what you'll learn to do.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary77
      Originally Posted by JensSteyaert View Post

      I think you don't need to be a genious to understand his entire business:
      -> You create cheap products
      -> You find a bunch of affiliates promoting for you
      -> You give the affiliates 100% commissions
      -> You ensure the affiliates get a high EPC
      -> You upsell the people that bought your product high ticket coaching programs
      -> Rinse and repeat with more products

      Et voila, that saves you thousands of dollars because the info to build your business like this can be found in $7 reports...

      While this is a good plan to make a lot of money, there is something that bothers me about this tactic, which is the fact that you need to leave out crucial valuable information in your cheap products in order to leave buyers clueless to increase the conversions on your coaching program. Sure if you get his coaching program, that's exactly what you'll learn to do.
      Agree. I've bought a few Jeffery's products and they seem to be very similar and revolve around 1 concept..create a product (that is proven to work in whatever niche) building a buyers list and have an affiliate army to help you do it... of course there is a right and wrong way of doing this, which he goes into...
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Kruz
    I was on the verge of joining his coaching program but after I heard some negative things from some previous students of his, I decided not to join. It just didn't sit well with me.

    And like someone said above, I don't like his way of doing business. He doesn't provide much value and it is pretty unethical.
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    • Profile picture of the author GaryBurke
      Originally Posted by Nathan Kruz View Post

      I was on the verge of joining his coaching program but after I heard some negative things from some previous students of his, I decided not to join. It just didn't sit well with me.

      And like someone said above, I don't like his way of doing business. He doesn't provide much value and it is pretty unethical.
      Alex provides heaps of value with his products. Most are usually under $10 but the value would be worth at least $997
      Have you bought any or is this just hearsay and as for negative testimonials I have never ever seen anything but positive feedback for any of the products that Alex has produced.
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  • Profile picture of the author RoyChan
    i got almost all his products, but not his training - you need to have your own products. if you wanna join his program, it's better you come up with a product idea that you think it's probably make a killing, before you join, otherwise, it's a waste of time and money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenneth Holland
    Hi Everyone,

    I am about to join Alex's coaching program so I'm watching this thread with interest.
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  • Profile picture of the author Simpilot938
    I do know that it's safe to miss the first half hour or so of his webinars because it's always Alex's back story.

    Apart from that he gives plenty of good info in all of his courses. I've gone through the original 'Marketing With Alex' course which sold for $997 when it was a live course and is now $17 on WarriorPlus - over 30 hours of video - all of it good.

    He has some guys who trained with him that are now top notch product creators in their own right - Dean Holland is one that springs to mind and there are many more.

    It appears to me that the main thing you'll get from his personal course is access to his email lists which I believe stand at a couple of hundred thousand subscribers. If something gets pushed to lists that big, it's pretty much a given that you will get one or two sales.

    In the end though, it's your money and your risk. Alex seems more accessible than many other big (and small) name mentors, even just through his product buyers Facebook group. That accessibility makes him more trustworthy than most.

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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    I used to have a little animosity toward Alex Jeffreys - mainly because of one WSO thread where he acted condescending to a senior citizen customer of his - but I no longer think negatively about him anymore. It was just incidental.

    Guys like Kenster and Alex Jeffreys are well-known, good, solid IM coaches.

    All IM coaches - the ones I know about anyhow - lead out with an inexpensive front end offer, but those are not watered down, cheap courses, where the real teaching can only be found in the coaching program. No. Alex provides a ton of value in his $9 offers, but he knows his percentages, and he knows there will be some who, even though he gives them everything they need to know in the $9 product, still need extra help. That's where the coaching comes in.

    Strangely, I haven't heard much about his latest offer, The Super Funnel, even though it has sold thousands of copies.

    He does tend to talk about himself a lot, so in anything you buy from him, you'll have to sift through some of the self-story, self-glorifying stuff to get to the meat of what he is teaching.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    I have known Alex since about 2006 or so. I always found him to be a genuine guy who cares about what he does, the products he creates and helping others.

    As for his "cheap" lead-in products - that's just the classic funnel process. Standard operating procedure in this business and he does it well. I have actually purchased some of his entry products and like a few others stated - he has packed quality for the price.

    Negative reviews are also a part of this industry. You have to gather a lot of reviews and make an educated decision. Keep in mind while many positive reviews may well be his "affiliates" (as commented above), many of the negative ones are people who for whatever reason just didn't click with Alex. That's ok too. Not every teacher works well with every student. Also, I know a few entitlement minded students who feel that if they don't see instant results with very little work - must be because the coach sucks.

    I would say that if the money you want to invest with ANY coach is going to take away from a rent payment, then don't do it. As the saying goes - never gamble with money you can't afford to lose.
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  • Profile picture of the author iconoclast
    I just someone to answer one thing. How does someone create good products about something they know almost nothing about? Even if you are knowledgeable in a certain field, there is a limited amount of GOOD information that can be shared on the subject.

    So how does someone continue to create and market genuinely good products? The theme seems to be to create products that sell but don't produce a fraction of results they promise. I am not interested in selling people false hopes even if it makes me money. This seems to be the unanswerable question.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by iconoclast View Post

      I just someone to answer one thing. How does someone create good products about something they know almost nothing about? Even if you are knowledgeable in a certain field, there is a limited amount of GOOD information that can be shared on the subject.

      So how does someone continue to create and market genuinely good products? The theme seems to be to create products that sell but don't produce a fraction of results they promise. I am not interested in selling people false hopes even if it makes me money. This seems to be the unanswerable question.
      Well once you have knowledge you can create products around that knowledge. I'm guessing by "genuinely good" you're referring to products that are almost evergreen in application. Most WSO's might be classified as the problem you're describing, but it's catering to a market that buys them anyway. The problem there appears to be the buyer rather than the seller. Sales is what drives them to produce more of the same ol' so why feed into the system?

      Personally I have seen Alex's funnel and a few of his products, but I'm not remotely impressed. The crux of your question, however, is in defining what "good" information is. What is that, exactly? It has to be subjective, because your definition will likely be different than mine, so the answer should be clear.

      Because it is so difficult to define "information worth sharing/selling", or good information as we're talking about here, information worth the price exchanged is entirely upon the buyer to decide. If they feel they have been swindled, then the product wasn't worth much if anything to them. If they tell it was a good deal, then the opposite is the case.

      You meant well with your post, but this issue digs far deeper than what you're talking about. The subjective value of a product is directly correlated with how customers, and not just you or I, but how all buyers react to it. So if even a minority of buyers enjoy the product, some sellers are 100% okay with that and that means they've created a successful product.

      What you deem GOOD information may not be judged so by other buyers. It's as simple AND as complex as that.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by iconoclast View Post

      I just someone to answer one thing. How does someone create good products about something they know almost nothing about? Even if you are knowledgeable in a certain field, there is a limited amount of GOOD information that can be shared on the subject.

      So how does someone continue to create and market genuinely good products? The theme seems to be to create products that sell but don't produce a fraction of results they promise. I am not interested in selling people false hopes even if it makes me money. This seems to be the unanswerable question.
      Definite quandary But at least you know what you DON'T want to do. Good for you.

      This is a tough question because much depends on you. I'll give you an example...

      Back in 2005, I was in the hosting business with a partner. He was also a programmer. He created a script to backup databases automatically for our hosting clients. It was a limited tool, but it worked well.

      We dissolved the hosting and he told me to keep the script. I liked the script so I brainstormed a few additional features, went on to a site called Rent-A-Coder (which I believe is now VScripts or something) and found someone to build my script additions.

      By the time it was ready I had a lot of on line friends who helped me with the marketing (this was before social media). While it didn't make me rich, it was really my first product that yielded 5 figures in revenue. And that was the start of things for me. A simple idea to improve on a product.

      Subsequently, I did a few other projects similar to this one. My most successful was a pop-up generator software called You Can't Block This. I sold several thousand copies of that one. Again - I took an existing software idea and incorporated a few additional features and improvements, hired a programmer and BAM. A product.

      The key is NOT looking for the instant success. It's in finding what works for you and expanding on it.

      Fast forward to today and I am in the process of developing a SAAS that hopefully will be ready to launch this fall (we'll see). And it started with a simple idea in 2005.

      A rolling stone gathers no moss
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      • Profile picture of the author iconoclast
        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

        Definite quandary But at least you know what you DON'T want to do. Good for you.

        This is a tough question because much depends on you. I'll give you an example...

        Back in 2005, I was in the hosting business with a partner. He was also a programmer. He created a script to backup databases automatically for our hosting clients. It was a limited tool, but it worked well.

        We dissolved the hosting and he told me to keep the script. I liked the script so I brainstormed a few additional features, went on to a site called Rent-A-Coder (which I believe is now VScripts or something) and found someone to build my script additions.

        By the time it was ready I had a lot of on line friends who helped me with the marketing (this was before social media). While it didn't make me rich, it was really my first product that yielded 5 figures in revenue. And that was the start of things for me. A simple idea to improve on a product.

        Subsequently, I did a few other projects similar to this one. My most successful was a pop-up generator software called You Can't Block This. I sold several thousand copies of that one. Again - I took an existing software idea and incorporated a few additional features and improvements, hired a programmer and BAM. A product.

        The key is NOT looking for the instant success. It's in finding what works for you and expanding on it.

        Fast forward to today and I am in the process of developing a SAAS that hopefully will be ready to launch this fall (we'll see). And it started with a simple idea in 2005.

        A rolling stone gathers no moss
        I appreciate your response Mike. I too have a product that makes me a little bit of money. It is a genuinely good product about something I am quite knowledgeable about. I get asked lots of questions about the product and I am able to answer almost all of them. That is why it frustrates me when people suggest "create a product" like it's and easy thing to do. Even if you hire someone to create the product for you, if you aren't knowledgeable in the field, you won't do a good job of promoting it or answering customers questions.
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  • Profile picture of the author MrFume
    Regarding coaching programs, mentors and master/apprentice products & Alex Jefferys - it is always down to you as what you get out of them. People invest in programs costing thousands to discover that what they already knew is the truth, they just have to get off their backsides and implement it - information marketing is what Alex is involved in, he gained a lot of his ideas from Mike Filsaime, John Thornhill, Tony Shepherd and a few other successful IM'ers - he implemented list building, product creation, and then membership sites with support groups. His support group is useful. Alex tells the truth, but you can discover the truth without spending 2-3-5 thousands of dollars. It just depends where you are at. It takes funds to drive traffic. Gaining affiliate support is the game, and regular launching. Up to you, but that is my experience, Alex is a straight up guy, and he makes a lot of money - you can too, build a list.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by MrFume View Post

      Regarding coaching programs, mentors and master/apprentice products & Alex Jefferys - it is always down to you as what you get out of them. People invest in programs costing thousands to discover that what they already knew is the truth, they just have to get off their backsides and implement it - information marketing is what Alex is involved in, he gained a lot of his ideas from Mike Filsaime, John Thornhill, Tony Shepherd and a few other successful IM'ers - he implemented list building, product creation, and then membership sites with support groups.
      Knowledge isn't power. Application of that knowledge is. This is where so many fall sort (including me at one point). We get caught up in self-doubt. Always thinking that we need to learn just a little bit more. Or we get stuck in that "shiny object syndrome". As you pointed out - Alex DID learn a lot from those you mentioned and he applied what he learned. It's really that simple.


      Originally Posted by MrFume View Post

      His support group is useful. Alex tells the truth, but you can discover the truth without spending 2-3-5 thousands of dollars. It just depends where you are at. It takes funds to drive traffic. Gaining affiliate support is the game, and regular launching. Up to you, but that is my experience, Alex is a straight up guy, and he makes a lot of money - you can too, build a list.
      That statement is a bit of a double-edged sword. While the knowledge can be found and read all over the place for free, sometimes it's the application of what is learned where people get stuck and where paying a coach can be a benefit. You can "learn" to be an engineer on line these days without paying (MIT literally has dozens of college courses on their website for free). But understanding and applying the information is where the teachers come in.

      I never cared for that "you can find all this for free on line" statement because I know without a doubt that it STOPS people from taking the necessary steps to succeed. It wasn't until I connected with coaches that I finally made consistent income on line.
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