Mailchimp hates marketers & affiliates. Stay away. - Best Alternatives?

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Hello

As you may know already know that mailchimp hates affiliates.

I decided to give another try! (in the past 1 blast out of every 2 campaings was sent succesfully)

But it seems not anymore!

I made a list of +100 using their optin boxes (Money making for Photographers)

And today when I wrote my 1st message and send it! I got their automated reply:
Keeping this in mind, MailChimp is not able to serve as your email
provider, because the content associated with your industry conflicts
with our acceptable use policy.
I always wanted to try out AWeber, and Getresponse

Can you tell me which one of them has more MMO tolerance?

And also I heard that getresponse inboxing rates isn't as good as Aweber's, any cofirmations?

Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    I use Aweber and it works like a charm. Integrates well with pop up collection forms.
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  • Profile picture of the author edyang
    I second AWeber. I guess there's a reason so many top IMers use it...
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    Aweber. Been using them for years. Reliable, solid, dependable. Had one, perhaps two occasions over those to contact them for support. Instant responses.
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
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    We get waaaay too many threads started here on the question: "Which is the best autoresponder/list host?" Having those littered all over the forum, with some thoughts expressed in one thread and not another, is pointless. Not to mention irritating to those who've seen the same things argued endlessly for the past 10+ years.

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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Batt
    I use GetResponse and it's always been good for me.

    I probably would have used Aweber but when I first looked at getting a email provider I just looked at the cheapest and didn't really think about the long term implications of using one. Both seem fine form MMO emails, best thing to do is just choose whichever one you think you'll get to grips with easiest.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron C Farrow
      Just my two cents worth, I use Trafficwave because its under $20 for an unlimited number of emails. Also, I can pay using Paypal.
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  • Profile picture of the author DWaters
    While Aweber and Get Repsonse generally get the most votes I recently switched to Trafficewave. One of the reasons is their low fixed cost does not go up when you get more subscribers.

    You are welcome to PM me for some additional details you may find interesting.
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    • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
      Originally Posted by DWaters View Post

      While Aweber and Get Repsonse generally get the most votes I recently switched to Trafficewave. One of the reasons is their low fixed cost does not go up when you get more subscribers.

      You are welcome to PM me for some additional details you may find interesting.
      The problem with TrafficWave is they do not allow single opt-in under any circumstances and if the subscriber uses Gmail the confirmation email almost always ends up in the spam folder. I tried them out because they were cheap and only about 20% of subscribers actually confirmed their email. Also, their opt-in forms leave a lot to be desired. Unless you know how to create your own opt-in form you will also be forced to collect both name and email. Aweber & GetResponse are the top dogs and will be for some time IMO.

      It always makes me laugh when I see sales pages and the product vendor is recommending MailChimp. It's common knowledge that the minute you promote as an affiliate they will boot you out. It doesn't matter whether you are in the biz opp/MMO/IM niche either. They prefer clients who are brick & mortar business owners and who have nothing to do with online business, especially MMO/biz-opp niches.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        What baffles me is all the threads about it are

        "I know it doesn't work...but I decided to give it another try"
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      • Profile picture of the author KDLmark
        Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

        It always makes me laugh when I see sales pages and the product vendor is recommending MailChimp. It's common knowledge that the minute you promote as an affiliate they will boot you out. It doesn't matter whether you are in the biz opp/MMO/IM niche either. They prefer clients who are brick & mortar business owners and who have nothing to do with online business, especially MMO/biz-opp niches.
        Really? Common knowledge? I was not aware, not even remotely. I just signed up with them, and worked everything out before getting ready to build my first ever lists. Naturally, all these negative comments regarding mailchimp bothers the feces outta me. Ya, I said feces.

        What am I in for? IF you say shit, then prove it. Shove me something solid. No, not a godamned picture of a turd or a shit, but something specific. I feel that a lot of IMs out there are booted by this provider due to low/poor quality content and spamming. However, I am sure there are someone that can debate the "yay"-sayers, with a rock solid answer as to why one should avoid said provider.

        Anyone care to exactly that, and just that?
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          No, not a godamned picture of a turd or a shit, but something specific. I feel that
          That's your business language? Guess you need to try Mailchimp for yourself and see if it works well for you.
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        • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
          Originally Posted by KDLmark View Post

          I feel that a lot of IMs out there are booted by this provider due to low/poor quality content and spamming. However, I am sure there are someone that can debate the "yay"-sayers, with a rock solid answer as to why one should avoid said provider.
          I'm surprised you feel this way since your post makes you sound so bright and intelligent* and the fact that you must have just read their TOS since you just signed up with them - it should be fresh on your mind.

          The title of this thread is about MailChimp hating marketers and affiliates. Now why would they be booting those people for "low/poor quality content and spamming" instead of for violating their TOS. They clearly have these things listed under their "not allow" section in their AUP:
          • Marketing or commercial email without permission
          • Work from home, make money on online, and lead generation opportunities
          • Affiliate marketing
          So... why would they be just kicking affiliates or marketers out for spamming? Wouldn't it make more sense for them to be kicking them out for violating their AUP, which I'm sure you've very recently read since you just signed up? IMHO, they explain it pretty clearly that affiliate marketing and anything related to making money online aren't allowed...


          By the way, it should always be considered common knowledge when it's very clearly listed in a providers terms - especially in their case when they have a separate AUP that's relatively short and even breaks it down in bullet points for you.
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          • Profile picture of the author DoubleOhDave
            Originally Posted by CyberAlien View Post

            I'm surprised you feel this way since your post makes you sound so bright and intelligent* and the fact that you must have just read their TOS since you just signed up with them - it should be fresh on your mind.

            The title of this thread is about MailChimp hating marketers and affiliates. Now why would they be booting those people for "low/poor quality content and spamming" instead of for violating their TOS. They clearly have these things listed under their "not allow" section in their AUP:
            • Marketing or commercial email without permission
            • Work from home, make money on online, and lead generation opportunities
            • Affiliate marketing
            "MailChimp doesn't stop campaigns that contain any affiliate links, just campaigns that contain URLs that are on blacklists. If you send an email that links to a blacklisted URL, spam filters may block your message completely. This can hurt our network's reputation with internet service providers and spam filters, subsequently jeopardizing deliverability for all our users."

            Seems pretty fair enough to me - and I have sent affiliate offers using them before without any issue at all. But then, I don't spam my list with constant crappy bandwagon-jumping offers
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        • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
          Originally Posted by KDLmark View Post

          Really? Common knowledge? I was not aware, not even remotely. I just signed up with them, and worked everything out before getting ready to build my first ever lists. Naturally, all these negative comments regarding mailchimp bothers the feces outta me. Ya, I said feces.

          What am I in for? IF you say shit, then prove it. Shove me something solid. No, not a godamned picture of a turd or a shit, but something specific. I feel that a lot of IMs out there are booted by this provider due to low/poor quality content and spamming. However, I am sure there are someone that can debate the "yay"-sayers, with a rock solid answer as to why one should avoid said provider.

          Anyone care to exactly that, and just that?
          Thank you for your eloquent and well thought out post.

          MailChimp does not want anyone who even labels themselves an "Affiliate Marketer." However, that does not mean they do not allow affiliate links, under certain specific conditions.

          I don't have to "prove" anything to you, since it's all right here on these 2 web pages on the MailChimp website (You will find them under "Acceptable Use"):

          Acceptable Use Policy | MailChimp

          http://kb.mailchimp.com/accounts/com...832.1419102074


          If they shut you down for sending out affiliate links/biz opp/MMO offers you have nobody but yourself to blame. You should always read the TOS of any site or company you enter into a paid agreement with. And why do you use such foul language?
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        • Originally Posted by KDLmark View Post

          Really? Common knowledge? I was not aware, not even remotely. I just signed up with them, and worked everything out before getting ready to build my first ever lists. Naturally, all these negative comments regarding mailchimp bothers the feces outta me. Ya, I said feces.

          What am I in for? IF you say shit, then prove it. Shove me something solid. No, not a godamned picture of a turd or a shit, but something specific. I feel that a lot of IMs out there are booted by this provider due to low/poor quality content and spamming. However, I am sure there are someone that can debate the "yay"-sayers, with a rock solid answer as to why one should avoid said provider.

          Anyone care to exactly that, and just that?
          You want something solid? Try reading the Mail Chimp TOS and FAQ and see for yourself how they utterly despise the idea of anyone making money with email.
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          • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
            Originally Posted by We Sell Sunglasses View Post

            You want something solid? Try reading the Mail Chimp TOS and FAQ and see for yourself how they utterly despise the idea of anyone making money with email.
            There is more to business on the internet than selling get rich quick scams and snake oil info products. Most here who do not qualify to be on MailChimp are involved in that sort of thing.

            Few affiliate programs with legitimate offers allow email promotion anymore, so MailChimp's "anti-affiliate" TOS is a moot point.

            Aweber found a niche in selling email services to get rich quick scammers and snake oil info product sellers. That's their thing. Stick with them if that's your market.
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    I've never had problems with mailchimp but I never used it for the sole purpose of affiliate marketing. One affiliate email for every 10 non affiliate would probably be fine.

    I think mailchimp is used mostly by established businesses for email marketing, nurturing, and retention purposes. Ecommerce sites use it, niche sites use it, but for the purpose of affiliate marketing you're better off with something like aweber or getresponse.
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    MailChimp doesn't stop campaigns that contain any affiliate links, just campaigns that contain URLs that are on blacklists. If you send an email that links to a blacklisted URL, spam filters may block your message completely. This can hurt our network's reputation with internet service providers and spam filters, subsequently jeopardizing deliverability for all our users.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
    This is basically what MailChimp thinks of Affiliate Marketers:

    While affiliate marketing is fine under certain conditions, we do not allow affiliate marketers. A typical example of an affiliate marketer is someone who buys an email list specifically to send random offers to the recipients, even if the offers don't have anything to do with the interests of the recipients. The problem here is that the affiliate marketer doesn't care about the content and is just looking to generate a commission. This is not what MailChimp is for.
    http://kb.mailchimp.com/accounts/com...s-in-mailchimp


    Bottom line: If you are building an email list to promote affiliate products of ANY kind, MailChimp doesn't want you. That covers just about everyone in the MMO/biz opp niche. They also seem to be under the false impression that everyone who is an Affiliate Marketer is some creep who went out and purchased a list just so they could spam the people on it.

    After reading their TOS I can't fathom why anyone who wants to make any kind of money online would pick them as their AR.

    They have no idea what a real Affiliate Marketer even is so it stands to reason they would have no idea how to serve one properly.
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    • Profile picture of the author animal44
      Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

      Bottom line: If you are building an email list to promote affiliate products of ANY kind, MailChimp doesn't want you.
      That isn't what your quote says...
      If you have a series of useful content emails with the occasional affiliate link, mailchimp doesn't object.
      The emphasis is on
      random offers to the recipients, even if the offers don't have anything to do with the interests of the recipients.
      I prefer Getresponse, but I do have some lists on Mailchimp which promote affiliate offers and in more than 5 years, I've never had an issue... The key is to have good quality content in your emails.
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    • Profile picture of the author jfalxr
      Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

      This is basically what MailChimp thinks of Affiliate Marketers:



      http://kb.mailchimp.com/accounts/com...s-in-mailchimp


      Bottom line: If you are building an email list to promote affiliate products of ANY kind, MailChimp doesn't want you. That covers just about everyone in the MMO/biz opp niche. They also seem to be under the false impression that everyone who is an Affiliate Marketer is some creep who went out and purchased a list just so they could spam the people on it.

      After reading their TOS I can't fathom why anyone who wants to make any kind of money online would pick them as their AR.

      They have no idea what a real Affiliate Marketer even is so it stands to reason they would have no idea how to serve one properly.
      Haven't used Mailchimp but I've heard a lot about this issues. So I guess the best way to use it when you only want to promote your own products/services.

      For the autoresponder alternative, I use GetResponse and TrafficWave.

      Although TrafficWave have some cons (such as double optin, name always required, lack of web form, etc) their $18 price for unlimited list size is unbeatable in my opinion. and their deliverability is good..

      And for Getresponse, I do sometimes have some issues with bounced email. Hope they can fixed it soon.. I also noticed that their stats (especially the click stats) sometimes didn't show the exact stats? I was once using a tracking link inside my broadcast and the stats is different, GetResponse shows less clicks than my tracking link..
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  • Profile picture of the author CLSVentures
    So answer me this: if I have a brick and mortar store, say for example a clothing brand. And I have a list of past clients or current fans, etc that has grown to be 5000 strong. I send a monthly newsletter or product update with offers for my brand, relevant articles, etc and now want to monetize my list as well by offering some other non-competing products that sell to my demographic.

    Can I sign up with an affiliate network and start dropping a couple links/banners into my email list so that I can earn some small commissions from my list as I continue to promote my own brand with email?

    Think that would draw any issues with MC? I mean, it sounds to me as if you have crossed off the objection towards "random" emails and aren't solely after affiliate sales. However, I know that how WE read a TOS and how THEY read a TOS can sometimes vary greatly. Seems perfectly acceptable to me, even though the links and strategy are clearly "affiliate marketing". You're marketing and cultivating your brand and b/m store and offering deals and links that are perfectly relevant to your niche's interests.
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    • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
      Originally Posted by CLSVentures View Post

      So answer me this: if I have a brick and mortar store, say for example a clothing brand. And I have a list of past clients or current fans, etc that has grown to be 5000 strong. I send a monthly newsletter or product update with offers for my brand, relevant articles, etc and now want to monetize my list as well by offering some other non-competing products that sell to my demographic.

      Can I sign up with an affiliate network and start dropping a couple links/banners into my email list so that I can earn some small commissions from my list as I continue to promote my own brand with email?

      Think that would draw any issues with MC? I mean, it sounds to me as if you have crossed off the objection towards "random" emails and aren't solely after affiliate sales. However, I know that how WE read a TOS and how THEY read a TOS can sometimes vary greatly. Seems perfectly acceptable to me, even though the links and strategy are clearly "affiliate marketing". You're marketing and cultivating your brand and b/m store and offering deals and links that are perfectly relevant to your niche's interests.
      From reading their TOS, it seems like this is accepted. Their gripe is with people who consider themselves "Affiliate Marketers" through and through (about 75% or more of the members of this forum).

      However, their definition of an Affiliate Marketer is way out in left field. They think that all Affiliate Marketers are basically creeps who buy leads and then start spamming them with random offers from random niches. That is not my definition of an Affiliate Marketer at all.

      I'm sorry if I seem a little hostile toward them but I find it hard to be cordial to somebody that openly dislikes me and has made a judgment of what my business practices are without ever meeting me. I guess I take offense to being labeled like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Humbee360
    I have over the years carefully examined the terms of service for the top three and a few more of the email marketing vendors, Personally I see Mail Chimp as a better vendor because of the way that they have taken action in advance of what will be the "normal" mode of operation in the future.

    When you look at what is sure to happen in this industry, (more so in the United States) then you have to plan out your business model in advance.

    If you do this then I believe you will see a much better long term business model.

    Create your business in a way that satisfies the terms of use, naturally you can always obtain services from another vendor.
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  • Profile picture of the author Phil Essex
    Aweber and Getresponse are great if your making enough to pay the costs - and they have convinced everyone that nobody else can match their deliver etc - lol. Of course I am self promoting but still! As someone who has been internet marketing for a decade or more I started our company just to be free from aweber/mailchimp. Mind you if we had the advertising budget of aweber we'd have to charge a fortune for tiny lists too.

    Of course if Mailchimp (Don't get me wrong I really think they are a good service) consider affilate marketing to be this quote : "A typical example of an affiliate marketer is someone who buys an email list specifically to send random offers to the recipients," Then I am with them all the way BUT I sure don't consider THAT the definition of an affiliate marketer but the definition of a spammer. Anybody who has double optin lists = good but bought list =bad bad bad. And no reputable service will allow them.
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  • Profile picture of the author boydstone
    Hi,

    I recommend that all my competitors switch to MailChimp. If you do, I say "Thank You!"
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Sol
    I am using MailChimp (in the MMO industry) and it seems to be okay so far. Haven't had any issues with them.

    I did also use Aweber a few years ago, great service!
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  • Profile picture of the author mikefashen
    Originally Posted by RealCasher View Post

    Hello

    As you may know already know that mailchimp hates affiliates.
    First, mailchimp really wants to primarily serve bricks and mortar offline world that is true.

    HOWEVER, mailchimp is fine with affiliates if you stay away from the following:
    > make money/marketing/biz opp
    > Investing/trading (again, really just a "make money" market)
    > Health/fitness/weight loss

    Mailchimp doesn't want people in those industries AT ALL (I heard of them booting off a small gym once). If you're an affiliate for Survival Life or something they'll leave you alone.

    Now that I've said all that mailchimp isn't a very good AR company anyway. Personally I like GetResponse but Aweber is really good too (though a little more expensive).

    Just pick one of those two and go with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author gatorjack
      A year or so ago I was going to sign up for MailChimp until I read their AUP, which I consider to be quite ridiculous. My personal philosophy in regards to what's "acceptable" is much more lenient. I believe that if the marketer is following the law and the person they're emailing did ask to be on their list (i.e. not on a list due to buying an email list), then it should be fine.

      I feel that MailChimp is way out in the field of what they consider unacceptable. Personally, due to their paranoid policies, I'd be too worried about using them for my business.

      I've recently signed up with GetResponse through JVZoo. For me, it was between GetResponse and Aweber. What won me over was the ability to instantly add buyers to my email list. That is, when someone buys a product from me through JVZoo, they can be added to your GetResponse mailing list. For that to happen, though, you have to create your GetResponse account through JVZoo.

      Originally Posted by mikefashen View Post

      Mailchimp doesn't want people in those industries AT ALL (I heard of them booting off a small gym once).
      That confirms my paranoia of using MailChimp for any business. While a gym is in the "weight loss" industry, I wouldn't classify a small town gym as the "lose weight quick" type of industry that gives the weight loss industry a bad rep.
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    I successfully use aweber.
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  • Profile picture of the author askmarcus
    if mailchip doesnt work, then go for Aweber or GetResponse ...
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  • Profile picture of the author dmarc
    I've used both aweber and get response, and have had good results with both. Deliverability seems a little higher with aweber,but the difference is pretty negligible.

    I still have getresponse, but I use aweber most of the time. I like the interface and options better. I don't think you'd be disappointed by either.
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  • Profile picture of the author tyronne78
    If you're in the biz-opp,affiliate marketing,or home business space you can't go wrong with either Aweber or GetResponse. But then again,I heard that Aweber was cracking down on a few people in the home business space awhile back...not sure if there's any truth to that though...
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