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Engagifire - Another SAAS - Feedback Please

by Oziboomer
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I noticed a lot of promotions in my Email Rollup for Engagifire.

Has anyone bought this or been running as a beta tester other than an affiliate?

What sort of up sells are there and are any of the up sells aimed at "Total Customisations" or are you limited to the templates on offer?

Who are the team behind the software and what is their track record?

Any feedback on past support and given that some of the promoters are those that I'd like to say I'm not so sure about I'd really appreciate some genuine feedback before I "Tar the vendor" because if some affiliates that don't have a positive track record are promoting.

It always intrigues me why someone who has created what appears to be a good product allows some people to promote for them.

Also interesting to note they are using click funnels for their sales page.

Feedback please...
#engagifire #feedback #saas
  • Profile picture of the author GlenH
    Also what really annoys me is there is no 'Contact Us' information anywhere on their sale page where you can ask pre sale questions.

    It's as though they are afraid of anyone asking them questions.

    For me, that's a black mark straight away

    I've looked at least a dozen new products that have been released in the last month, and only 10% have some sort of 'contact us' information on the sale page.
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    • Profile picture of the author GlenH
      Originally Posted by GlenH View Post

      Also what really annoys me is there is no 'Contact Us' information anywhere on their sale page where you can ask pre sale questions.

      It's as though they are afraid of anyone asking them questions.

      For me, that's a black mark straight away

      I've looked at least a dozen new products that have been released in the last month, and only 10% have some sort of 'contact us' information on the sale page.
      I contacted Tom, and he got back to me in super-quick time with the answers to all my questions.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marian
        Yeah.. I bought Engagifire - and so far I'm impressed!

        I've never worked with such easy to use drag and drop pop up builder. The default designs look good as well - so with a few customizations or even without them - you'll be surprised how good it does look on your site!

        And I like the animations effects as well...

        I also bought Lead Monster- but haven't had time to play with it yet...

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        • Profile picture of the author M Thompson
          I bought it and I use it and it's great, Tom has been really responsive ... I really like it..

          I've actually did a video over the weekend of how i use it and how easy it is to build popups.

          I don't want to put the link here but it's on my blog Thelifestylemarketer.co
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  • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
    And I see "Lead Monster" is another similar "Pop Up" type SAAS being promoted right now.

    I've used various pop ups and pop-unders over the years and it really depend on the market as to whether they are effective.

    The logic seems sound but as for actual results, in a business sense, possibly quite minimal.

    Also the "framing other authority sites" and putting a pop up overlay...

    What about the frame breakers?

    Demos are one thing but reality may be something else?

    I'm not against send traffic somewhere where I may benefit through commission but how effective are these type of "Authority Jackers"

    Anyone?
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    • Profile picture of the author GlenH
      Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

      And I see "Lead Monster" is another similar "Pop Up" type SAAS being promoted right now.

      I've used various pop ups and pop-unders over the years and it really depend on the market as to whether they are effective.

      The logic seems sound but as for actual results, in a business sense, possibly quite minimal.

      Also the "framing other authority sites" and putting a pop up overlay...

      What about the frame breakers?

      Demos are one thing but reality may be something else?

      I'm not against send traffic somewhere where I may benefit through commission but how effective are these type of "Authority Jackers"

      Anyone?
      I also checked out 'Lead Monster', but it doesn't seem to have as much functionality as 'Engagifire'.

      At least with Lead Monster, there are contact details where you can ask questions
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  • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
    I don't know the promoters personally of either product.

    Observations are however...that when I see testimonials from some people who have apparently "Bad Reps" I'm inclined to give them a miss....

    Why are promoters so shy?

    If you have a quality product just step up.

    i've noticed over my time in the forum that there are people who do face the fire and get behind their products even though there are difficulties...you know who you are...it is appreciated....

    ....but...

    flash sales pages...

    bold claims....

    and no reviews here yet?????

    maybe the reviews and feedback will flow after the price rises....
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Sussman
    This may help regarding OTO's and who is behind it.

    Engagifire JV Page
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  • Profile picture of the author Big Results Online
    I would caution anyone on buying this. The developer is SUPPER unreliable and unstable. They first came out with PopupBuilder which was a complete flop and barely supported. Then the developers split, and one started UberPopups, same code and same look at this hosted solution. However that plugin has countless issues as well and is not seeing any support either. So that is exactly what is going to happen here, same s**t different product.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
    Thanks for the feedback provided so far.

    Using popups over framed content somewhat concerns me because I have several legitimate businesses that could be sued if I used them as some of the sales copy suggests.

    It is a grey area that for many people there would be no problem but for some the problems could be business ending.

    There is some info here
    Copyright aspects of hyperlinking and framing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The software looks easy to use and cleanly designed so I guess the product is professional but are some of the suggested uses legitimate?
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  • Profile picture of the author pewpewpewmonkeys
    I bought Lead Monster recently, and only learned about Engagifire on LM's page because of someone's facebook comment. Neither one is EXACTLY what I want, but nothing ever seems to be the PERFECT solution when it comes to optin form software.

    The sales page and explanation materials with LM bugs the crap out of me. For all the videos my thinking was "Just STFU and show the product already." I'm not sure I've ever seen a software sales video where 90% of the video was just some guy talking.

    Everything, from the sales video to the instruction PDFs, has the worst English grammar. Like saying "Most simplest." Or having an extra word in the headline of the OTO page. If the sales pages are that sloppy it sends up red fags and makes me wonder about the software. I'm uneasy about it all, but think I'll wait till after LM's "5 day pre-launch" or whatever before I decide to return. Maybe I only feel like I got a "good deal" if other suckers have to pay a monthly fee...

    I'm still not sold on the concept of SAAS for optins. I never jumped on the LeadPages bandwagon. But I'll give LM credit where it's due: Optin Monster... Lead Pages... Lead Monster... clever.

    The legal issue with framed content is something I didn't even think about. That's hugely important.

    For Lead Monster the 1st OTO is esentially the exact same thing as LM, but with with ability to use a psd file/picture. The 2nd OTO is the popup over framed content. I actually had no idea what it was about until I bought it and played with it some (shitty sales page). Maybe I'm slow on the uptake, or maybe I just have no purpose for it, but I have no idea why it would be an important software to have. But I also don't send traffic to other people's websites.

    I'll take time next week to actually play with the product of LM.
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    • Profile picture of the author GlenH
      Personally, I've never been a fan of popups...but the damn things works.

      I resisted using them, but when I started seeing some incredible results (in both optins and sales) then my negative opinions towards popups soon went out the window.
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      • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
        Originally Posted by GlenH View Post

        Personally, I've never been a fan of popups...but the damn things works.

        I resisted using them, but when I started seeing some incredible results (in both optins and sales) then my negative opinions towards popups soon went out the window.
        Have your best pop ups been for lead magnet offers?

        When you say they have worked for sales...is it because you have made an irresistible offer in the pop-up or is it because they have opted in and then you've sold them later?

        Thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author GlenH
          Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

          Have your best pop ups been for lead magnet offers?

          When you say they have worked for sales...is it because you have made an irresistible offer in the pop-up or is it because they have opted in and then you've sold them later?

          Thanks.
          The way I use popups is, as you say, I create an irresistible offer, mostly if the prospect tries to exit the page

          Usually I'll incorporate a countdown timer, so the prospect has to order before the offer ends (I might only give them a few minutes to decide)

          If you have a strong offer, that has works really well.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasculs
    I think the iframe option can be very powerful if used right. In my niche there are site where I pay for advertising. This is another way I can utilize that. For example I recently contacted a site where I have a banner ad and asked them if I can share their blog articles with my iframe link so my pop over shows up. If you do it right and honest then you won't get sued.
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  • Profile picture of the author pewpewpewmonkeys
    ^Run me through an example of how it can be helpful.

    As I see it, you're spending both time and money to send traffic to another person's website in the HOPE that the traffic signs up to your list. Your lead magnet would ALWAYS need to be better than the content you linked to (what the traffic is intending to see), but the content you linked to would need to be good enough to get people to WANT to look at it to begin with...which means your popup is in their way.

    In the end, you're still sending traffic to another person's website rather than to your own website or landing page.

    Correct me if I'm wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author jasculs
      Originally Posted by pewpewpewmonkeys View Post

      ^Run me through an example of how it can be helpful.

      As I see it, you're spending both time and money to send traffic to another person's website in the HOPE that the traffic signs up to your list. Your lead magnet would ALWAYS need to be better than the content you linked to (what the traffic is intending to see), but the content you linked to would need to be good enough to get people to WANT to look at it to begin with...which means your popup is in their way.

      In the end, you're still sending traffic to another person's website rather than to your own website or landing page.

      Correct me if I'm wrong.
      This is a site that I pay for a banner ad for anyway. It is not a direct competitor and it is a very high traffic site in my niche. Having the extra exposure to my lead magnet won't hurt me ether way regardless of the article I'm sharing.

      I currently already share some of their articles because my banner ad is in one of the most prominent positions of their site and it also gives me a way to promote my site without directly promoting my site.

      So in my case it will not hurt me one bit. It'll only help me. I get to really take advantage of the 7 exposure rule as well. The more they get exposed to my opt in form the more likely they will opt in. Even if they don't opt in the first three or four times they see it.

      It also gives me a chance to do some extra testing of my opt in forms. Plus on my end the site owner isn't charging me extra to do this.
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  • Profile picture of the author ajsmith
    I have to say that I was pleasantly surprised. Does what it says and very easy to use. I didn't buy any of the upsells though.
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  • Profile picture of the author pewpewpewmonkeys
    Some excellent points, jasculs.

    I finally had time to play with Lead Monster, but am not sure how to connect one of my autoresponders. While filling out a support ticket I noticed the system allows you to select the product you need help with - Odd, since I should only be dealing with ONE. But I scrolled through the list. One of the other products is One Links.

    One Links seems to be the EXACT same product and concept. The main website no longer sells it, but you can still see one of the upgrade/oto pages here: https://onelinks.net/pro/

    Which makes the whole process of buying into LM feel like a Turn & Burn.
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  • Profile picture of the author SlfMastery
    Does anyone know if EgagiFire stores emails if you don't have an autoresponder?

    Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author jasculs
      Originally Posted by SlfMastery View Post

      Does anyone know if EgagiFire stores emails if you don't have an autoresponder?

      Thanks.
      I does not, you need an autoresponder.
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  • Profile picture of the author pewpewpewmonkeys
    Boringman, your article does touch lightly on concerns I share as well, such as if their service is actually going to continue.

    However, most of your article is complaining that you don't have a full set of the features even though you bought the minimum level package. Your analogy of buying a car that has no brakes is not a fair analogy. Instead, you bought a toyota and expected it to have all the bells and whistles of a mercedes. If you wanted more then you should have payed for more.

    Since the split testing feature is part of the elite package, I wouldn't recommend anyone NOT upgrade. Of course, this was clever marketing on the part of the creators.

    Here's their video on setting up targeting:
    Triggers and Targeting :: Engagifire Tutorials

    The real issue isn't that the engagifire doesn't have features in the basic package. The issue is the way they marketed their product to people which made people have to jump through hoops just to get all the functions. The buying process was annoying, but here's something to ponder:

    Would they have been able to launch the product without this method of marketing? Sure, the end product ends up being $161, but is having a pretty damn good editor for a popup creator for an unlimited number of websites for that price worth it? Especially if that same product becomes a monthly subscription?
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    • Profile picture of the author boringman
      Seems my post here in this forum has been deleted. Not sure why. Am I not allowed to post links?

      I appreciate your response, but I disagree that I want all the bells and whistles of a Mercedes.

      I just want brakes.

      I even wrote to Tom and suggested he remove other less necessary features. I understand the need for them to incentivize upgrades but the ability to limit how often people see the popups is not akin to the luxury of a Mercedes. It's akin to having brakes. Even free WordPress plugins include that feature. The software is useless without it (just my opinion).

      is having a pretty damn good editor for a popup creator for an unlimited number of websites for that price worth it? Especially if that same product becomes a monthly subscription?
      Indeed it is. But when I spend my money on software (or anything for that matter) I expect it to function at least at a basic level. Spamming visitors with popups is not worth $27 to me. That is why I asked for a refund.

      I'd be fine with limited popup software (e.g., no scroll trigger, limit of two popups per site, etc.). I'm just not fine with unusable popup software. So many things are free these days (or just plain cheap) that when I actually open up the wallet spend my hard-earned cash, I expect to get a working product for the advertised price.

      I do think $74 for the Elite version is worth it for the product. It's the "clever" way it's done that bothers me. I'd rather have the information up front. As I say in the article, I think the product is pretty damn good.

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      • Profile picture of the author comodo427
        Originally Posted by boringman View Post

        Seems my post here in this forum has been deleted. Not sure why. Am I not allowed to post links?

        I appreciate your response, but I disagree that I want all the bells and whistles of a Mercedes.

        I just want brakes.

        I even wrote to Tom and suggested he remove other less necessary features. I understand the need for them to incentivize upgrades but the ability to limit how often people see the popups is not akin to the luxury of a Mercedes. It's akin to having brakes. Even free WordPress plugins include that feature. The software is useless without it (just my opinion).

        Indeed it is. But when I spend my money on software (or anything for that matter) I expect it to function at least at a basic level. Spamming visitors with popups is not worth $27 to me. That is why I asked for a refund.

        I'd be fine with limited popup software (e.g., no scroll trigger, limit of two popups per site, etc.). I'm just not fine with unusable popup software. So many things are free these days (or just plain cheap) that when I actually open up the wallet spend my hard-earned cash, I expect to get a working product for the advertised price.

        I do think $74 for the Elite version is worth it for the product. It's the "clever" way it's done that bothers me. I'd rather have the information up front. As I say in the article, I think the product is pretty damn good.

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        I completed disagree with just about everything you have said. How are you spamming your visitors with a popup?

        You can set your popup to only show up on exiting your website which is what I do. It is less intrusive.

        I also bought the basic package at $27 and it has all the features I need. Their is no need to upgrade to any of their other packages.
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        • Profile picture of the author boringman
          I completed disagree with just about everything you have said. How are you spamming your visitors with a popup?
          Typically spamming is defined as delivering unwanted messages to large quantities of people. If your site gets a lot of traffic, you are indeed spamming your visitors if you serve a popup to them every single time they try to switch pages on your site. What if they visit five pages on your site? That's five times they are interrupted by the popup and have to close it out.

          You can set your popup to only show up on exiting your website which is what I do. It is less intrusive.
          Yes, you can do that. Then you're ignoring your mobile users because that option does not work on mobile. There is no cursor or mouse on mobile, so how will the software recognize exit intent?

          Not only that, but even when using "exit intent," every time one of your site's visitors moves their cursor near the top of the page, the popup appears, even if they aren't really exiting the site.

          Not only that, but maybe one of your site's visitors wants to keep your site open and open another tab. The popup engages. They come back to your page a few minutes later then leave again a couple minutes later. The popup engages again. Spam.

          Not only that, but maybe, just maybe, as a purchaser of the software, I don't want to be forced to use "exit intent." Maybe I want to have a popup appear right when someone visits the site. Something quick and unobtrusive. Something that doesn't return over and over and over that a site visitor cannot stop from recurring. Sure sounds like spam to me.

          I also bought the basic package at $27 and it has all the features I need. Their is no need to upgrade to any of their other packages.
          I'm glad the $27 package has all the features you need. At the initial writing of my review the software did not meet my expectations. Why? There was no way to stop the popups from appearing on all the pages of my site unless, as you say, I used "exit intent" which did not work satisfactorily for me, because my site visitors still got spammed. Not only that, it didn't work on mobile.

          But apparently Tom and the dev team at Engagifire agreed with me (as you'll see if you read my review) because they have updated the basic version to include the ability to delay the return of the popup by a specified number of days.

          Again, this is reflected in my review.
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  • Profile picture of the author pewpewpewmonkeys
    Seems my post here in this forum has been deleted. Not sure why.
    Boringman, our posts will keep getting deleted until you have more posts in other forums. Read the very first sticky post in this subforum:
    In the rules for this forum, it is clearly stated
    8. To prevent spammers from posting fake reviews you need to have at least 20 posts to leave your feedback.


    the ability to limit how often people see the popups is not akin to the luxury of a Mercedes. It's akin to having brakes. Even free WordPress plugins include that feature.
    It comes down to the fact that you want the ability to limit who sees popups *AND* all the other features that you are already getting. ...And you are expecting this for $27 when in reality the product is $160-ish.

    Honestly, if the product came with the features you're wanting would you really think it was only worth $27? If so, then show me a comparable product at the same price range.

    The software is useless without it (just my opinion).
    I agree.

    I do think $74 for the Elite version is worth it for the product. It's the "clever" way it's done that bothers me. I'd rather have the information up front.
    I agree on this too.

    But I also hate having to wait in line at the grocery store. I do it anyway, though, because I want to eat and don't want to steal.
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    • Profile picture of the author boringman
      I appreciate the information re: the forum rules. However, I'm not a spammer and my review isn't fake.

      I appreciate you pointing me to the proper rules for the forum. I didn't see that and no, I haven't posted 20 posts anywhere else. I guess I need to do that!

      I also appreciate you pointing out that I sound complainy. I adjusted some of my article and will try to make it sound more to-the-point and less whiny. I suppose it is a bit of a knee-jerk reaction.
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  • Profile picture of the author boringman
    I updated my article because Tom and dev team decided to add the one feature to the standard version of the software that was really lacking in order to make the software actually usable -- the ability to set a time for the popups to stay gone for visitors. In other words, I can actually use popups now and not spam my visitors. Kudos to Tom and dev team for listening to customer feedback.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasculs
    So far this is a very good product from my experience. I even put in a support request because I had a custom form that wasn't formatting correctly in Firefox. They replied in 24 hours and mentioned that they didn't have control of custom forms but they helped me fix it anyway. So far so good.
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  • Profile picture of the author byalik
    I was going to buy it and had a question but didn't see anywhere to contact them, so now not going to buy.

    I don't understand why people create great products and market them as WSO's instead of legitimate SaaS businesses. That's the difference between making $1mm and $100m+
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  • Profile picture of the author customs
    I like to chime in with my experience with Engagifire.

    I bought almost every upsell (except the last upsell with PLR products).

    And... It works.
    I drive a few thousand visitors to my pages every day and never had any problems.

    Stuart and Ayoub always answer my support requests in 36-48 hours.
    I found a bug and it was fixed in 3 days.

    Overall it's a good solution for me, integrated with my current business.
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