MyClickbankBusiness.com

17 years ago

I see lots of big name marketers promoting it and including some very nice bonuses with it. It's like a Clickbank Business-in-a-Box where they claim to do 95% of everything for you...but I've never heard of this Andrew or Steven guy before...thanks for the heads up RoyChan.

We'll see if someone can post a review after they've joined and are making money from promoting it or from affiliates promoting their new niche product.

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webatomic

17 years ago

Yeah, it does look interesting. I wouldn't buy until I hear some real life reviews first though.

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Jamie Lewis 17 years ago

I can personally tell you that the sites that they create for you are insane.
Imagine the best designed minisite, graphics, ebook, everything. I actually dont even understand how Andrew does it, but it blows my mind and I am envious.
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Nutrifitness

17 years ago

I would like to hear from someone who bought the product and has an actual review.
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Jamie Lewis 17 years ago

I am actually curious as to when the earliest the reviews will come in. It probably wont be tomorrow since it takes some time to create the site.
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- gcintermed 17 years ago
  
  Can someone tell me how this is different than "Clickbank Pirate"?
  I mean how many Clickbank-businesses-in-a-box where someone else does 95% of the work for us do we really need?
  
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Barry

17 years ago

Yes, I am quite curious as to hear from a purchaser as well.

How will you sell these products on Clickbank when everyone
has the same products?

Barry

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Bossman34

17 years ago

These guys do make some decent looking websites, but this "business in a box" has the same problems as AffiliateJump (okay...maybe not that bad). You're going to get the same landing pages, sales copy, content, auto responder series, free report, etc as hundreds of other affiliates.

Google will most likely hate these websites when they hit the web.

Do you really want to compete with hundreds of other affiliates who have the SAME websites?

I could be wrong, but this is what I've gathered about MyClickbankBusiness.

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writetale

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Bossman34

You're going to get the same landing pages, sales copy, content, auto responder series, free report, etc as hundreds of other affiliates.

Google will most likely hate these websites when they hit the web.

Do you really want to compete with hundreds of other affiliates who have the SAME websites?

that is exactly what i thought. talk about duplicate content. i just don't understand why that message hasn't gotten through to all potential marketers. it's such a shame. money is hard to come by these days....especially if you're just starting out.

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Jays80 17 years ago

How many members are being offered same niche/content?
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  Hey,
  
  To whomever bought it : Can you edit the content in both the sites, salescopy and product ?
  
  Looking forward to hearing from you !!
  
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AdamLCasey

17 years ago

I've bought it and so far I can't get hold of any support. I think they need a forum. Current all I have is an email address and a message saying they'll get back in 24hrs.

I'll be sure to post a better review once I'm up and running.

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arya

17 years ago

i to had bought myclickbankbusiness and i have sent them two email and its now 48hours but no reply. i too have no other contact of them.

Amir S i think you are right i am newbie in internet marketing and without understanding the internetmarketing i bought the product.
i will keep posting once i get a clear picture

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amanita

17 years ago

Originally Posted by arya

i to had bought myclickbankbusiness and i have sent them two email and its now 48hours but no reply. i too have no other contact of them.

Amir S i think you are right i am newbie in internet marketing and without understanding the internetmarketing i bought the product.
i will keep posting once i get a clear picture

Hey,

Try to get refund a.s.a.p. that is if you can...

When receiving an offer in your mail box, you should automatically do this :

1) google the product with "review" at the end of the name product
and try to look at blog entries which are not affiliate sites and have a genuine entry on product followed with comments by other users

This alone will save you time and money

and it takes about 10 minutes.
Plus, you may come across some really good blogs offering value insteand of heap of bloody bonuses you will not use.

2) Then, if you still must go further into researching the product, take the pain to look for the Terms of Services, I know : Boring stuff, but... read on please

2) On the salescopy of video as video is so hype today: See if they offer a money back guarantee or if refund is possible.

This is the boring part and he sales letter tends to take for a ride while crude reality comes after payment has been processed.

Regards,
Amanita

PS: I have wasted a ton of money myself

on hype... So do not worry too much, BUT LEARN AND DO YOUR HOMEWORK PRIOR TO BUYING !!!

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A Bary

17 years ago

I think it's time for those with some experience to start help and guide newbies honestly with real blogs (away from affiliate commission oriented blogs),

I promise to release mine soon as I finish my current project...

It's annoying to see how much newbies are scammed everyday

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Amir.S

17 years ago

Originally Posted by goldmind123

I think it's time for those with some experience to start help and guide newbies honestly with real blogs (away from affiliate commission oriented blogs),

I promise to release mine soon as I finish my current project...

It's annoying to see how much newbies are scammed everyday

Hi all,

It's really sad to read all the post from newbies. I must say it's always the same issues, just remember "all that glitters is not gold".
My advise learn it really is not that hard, I promise it will take you about a month, tops. Maybe about $500 in capital, again tops.
The good side to this will be that you will know the process now, after doing it the first time and can "copy past" each and every time you decide to move into a new niche.
Now I'm not some sort of a super affiliate that makes $1000+ per week, but I learned ( just google the info ) now I have multiple streams of income and I quit my 9 to 6 job. ( yep thats right my 9 to 6, not 9 to 5 )

Goldmind has a good point, just at the moment I'm a little tied up with a new project that I'm working on, but I will through up something too. Maybe a video or a ebook.

to your success,
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Avidpoet

17 years ago

Originally Posted by arya

i to had bought myclickbankbusiness and i have sent them two email and its now 48hours but no reply. i too have no other contact of them.

Amir S i think you are right i am newbie in internet marketing and without understanding the internetmarketing i bought the product.
i will keep posting once i get a clear picture

Id make a suggestion about www dot affilorama dot com its free to join and you can find plenty of information on there to give you an idea how to make money online as well as the few helpful people here on the Warrior Forum.

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Avdo

17 years ago

They said products are allready approved by clickbank! Does anybody knows something about it?
I asume you just have to pay fee $50 to CB, and you're done!
I'm considering to bought it, but I need more infos..so anybody who bought it, please..
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amanita 17 years ago

to answer my own question, but also for those considering buying, have a look at their TOS :confused:

It says alot, and I definitely wont be purchasing... as I understand - no matter how cleverly packages are done - that you just end up working as an affiliate.

Am I assuming right here or did I get it all wrong ? The stuff may be a bit overwhelming for a newb like me, but still I believe they wrap it in a BIG way, so that you fail to realise the micro-niche-site you purchase does not belong to you in the end...
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17 years ago

@ amanita,

What section of the TOS are you referring too? Can you please post them?

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amanita

17 years ago

Originally Posted by AdamLCasey

@ amanita,

What section of the TOS are you referring too? Can you please post them?

The whole lot. But just for information, have a look at this :

"Although under no obligation to do so, our Company reserves the right to monitor use of this site to determine compliance with these Terms of Use, as well the right to remove or refuse any information for any reason. Notwithstanding these rights, you remain solely responsible for the content of your submissions. You acknowledge and agree that neither Company nor any third party that provides Content to Company will assume or have any liability for any action or inaction by Company or such third party with respect to any submission."

I would not give them the chance myself

You can view their whole page of restrictions on their term of use
page and be best judge.

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Amir.S

17 years ago

Hi Guys and Gals,

First of all right off the bat, any business opportunity that offers a "business in a box idea" RUN the other way as far as you can.

Why?

It wont just be you buying it. There will be hundreds if not thousands of people buying it to get rich quick.
Duplicate content is the enemy of SEO, so you can forget about SEO optimization.
Due to market saturation you will not profit as much as you can with a unique take on any given product.

That's why products like "Affiliate Jump" "My Click bank Business" etc will only make any real money for only one person, and I hate to break it you, but you are not that person.

Having said that there is good news for you. You can make a good living on the internet, but it requires work and some learning from your part. Forget the auto pilot money making website for now, this will happen but after 6 months to a year from the time you take action on what I'm about to tell you for FREE!

That's right I wont charge you $1997.00 for this info lol.

No seriously you must have heard of "give a man a fish and he can eat for a day, teach him to fish and he can eat for the rest of his life".
Well you need to learn no two ways about it.

Find a niche (free)
Research the money words (free)
Get a website made ($100)
Get a product created, ebook ($75), audio (free do it your self), video (free do it your self).
Get articles created ($7.00) and submit them to sites for FREE traffic.
Make a promo video and submit it to video sites for FREE traffic.
Submit your product to Click Bank, CJ for affiliates to promote your product (50% to 60% commission)
Rinse and repeat for more hungry niches.
6 months to a year from now, sit back as your multiple sites send you money on auto pilot. Or keep going and Sykes the limit.

In order to do this YOU MUST LEARN.

To your success,
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17 years ago

Originally Posted by Amir.S

Hi Guys and Gals,

First of all right off the bat, any business opportunity that offers a "business in a box idea" RUN the other way as far as you can.

Why?

It wont just be you buying it. There will be hundreds if not thousands of people buying it to get rich quick.
Duplicate content is the enemy of SEO, so you can forget about SEO optimization.
Due to market saturation you will not profit as much as you can with a unique take on any given product.

That's why products like "Affiliate Jump" "My Click bank Business" etc will only make any real money for only one person, and I hate to break it you, but you are not that person.

Having said that there is good news for you. You can make a good living on the internet, but it requires work and some learning from your part. Forget the auto pilot money making website for now, this will happen but after 6 months to a year from the time you take action on what I'm about to tell you for FREE!

That's right I wont charge you $1997.00 for this info lol.

No seriously you must have heard of "give a man a fish and he can eat for a day, teach him to fish and he can eat for the rest of his life".
Well you need to learn no two ways about it.

Find a niche (free)
Research the money words (free)
Get a website made ($100)
Get a product created, ebook ($75), audio (free do it your self), video (free do it your self).
Get articles created ($7.00) and submit them to sites for FREE traffic.
Make a promo video and submit it to video sites for FREE traffic.
Submit your product to Click Bank, CJ for affiliates to promote your product (50% to 60% commission)
Rinse and repeat for more hungry niches.
6 months to a year from now, sit back as your multiple sites send you money on auto pilot. Or keep going and Sykes the limit.

In order to do this YOU MUST LEARN.

To your success,
Amir S

Where do you outsource your ebook creation? Seems like most of the time when you outsource writing it doesn't come out very well.

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Amber Jalink

17 years ago

Didn't buy... not bashing anything... but their Privacy policy states they'll share your info too. I run in the other direction from those regardless of who puts it out.

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Mitch Miller

17 years ago

If I understand this correctly as a purchaser you have your choice of 20 different sites that have been built around a CB product. I am assuming that all the sites for each niche will be identical. I also didn't hear any mention of limiting the number of sites sold. That is a HUGE red flag for me. But I guess you do receive a bonus site for joining? So it's $497 for two cookie cutter sites built around a clickbank product?
No thanks. But I imagine the newbies will be all over it.

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Avidpoet

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Mitch Miller

If I understand this correctly as a purchaser you have your choice of 20 different sites that have been built around a CB product. I am assuming that all the sites for each niche will be identical. I also didn't hear any mention of limiting the number of sites sold. That is a HUGE red flag for me. But I guess you do receive a bonus site for joining? So it's $497 for two cookie cutter sites built around a clickbank product?
No thanks. But I imagine the newbies will be all over it.

Most of these products target Newbies more and more. Thats why the Make Money Online NIche is so big

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Amir.S 17 years ago

Originally Posted by Avidpoet

Most of these products target Newbies more and more. Thats why the Make Money Online NIche is so big

Yeh your right, I think I need to slap up a product for the Make Money Online Niche on Click Bank lol.

I think it's very unethical to be scamming new comers who may already be in debt or hard pressed for cash, only to lead them up the yellow brick road.

People just don't seem to understand that there is a proses involved i.e. you don't plant a seed and come the next day hoping to see a tree? :confused: Because you understand that there is a process involved. Newbies need to connect the dots in the "Make Money Online" market.
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amanita

17 years ago

Originally Posted by brjohn1

Unfortunately, I simply wanted to accelerate my CPA marketing efforts and did actually spend the $497 at myclickbankbusiness.com based on the recommendation of some "super" affiliates.

Exactly the same "super" affiliates whom I unsuscribe when they send me their stuff over and over.

Some "super" affiliates - however great their own product may be or have been ? - become "super lazy" affiliates. A shame in my opinion.

Also, the "less super" affiliates seem to piggyback on them and flood the Internet with their review sites. Is this what they learn in affiliate classes or forums ???

Definitely not following this trend myself :p

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17 years ago

Originally Posted by brjohn1

Unfortunately, I simply wanted to accelerate my CPA marketing efforts and did actually spend the $497 at myclickbankbusiness.com based on the recommendation of some "super" affiliates.

As mentioned by someone else too, I got to the point of the MCB team actually loading two sites for me on dedicated servers, but failed to provide me with FTP access to those servers. The two sites are both live and useless at the moment.

It has now been 2 days since any e-mail reply or support activity from MCB. Either they failed miserably at launch, or they took the money and ran. Either way, it's an example of what NOT to do in a launch.

Also note that the UK-based payment processing converts $497 to pounds or euros resulting in a USD$512 charge. Nice.

So, you can't host these sites where ever you want?

I have sent these questions to the MCBB support, but no response..

This is what I'm trying to ask them:

Can I host these sites on my own servers and have access to all files?

Can I use my own unique domain name?

Does Clickbank allow multiple upload of the same product? This one
has me worried. There will be hundreds of merchants uploading these
same products.

Would be cool to know.

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BestNoMoneySystem

17 years ago

I have spent countless $ on 'business in a box' products. Probably more than I should admit. I'm sorry to say, that the theme goes 'if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is'. A friend of mine bought this MCBB (prior to me knowing he was going to) and he has had no replies to his emails and is requesting a full refund.

To those 'super affiliates' out there who promote this type of nonsense, I'm taking all the credibility you had with me and throwing it out the window. And that's a shame, b/c some of you actually have good products that you create, but I'll never buy from again.

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arya

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Avidpoet

Id make a suggestion about www dot affilorama dot com its free to join and you can find plenty of information on there to give you an idea how to make money online as well as the few helpful people here on the Warrior Forum.

Actually last week i joined affilorama dot com and got registered with them and it was free. i started to look into there product for two /three days, and on the fourth or fifith day i recieved an email from Mark Ling of affilorama promoting
myclickbankbusiness.com and from his link i had purchase myclickbankbusiness.
i had hardly ever purchased any product for internetmarketing online but i purchase this product because Mark Ling of Affilorama promoted the product to me and as i have personally met mark ling at world internet summit in auckland last month i thought it must be a good product and good responsible firm. (i am based in Newzeland and Affilorama is also base in newzealand).

myclickbankbusiness has a 30 days refund policy, that what they say in the promotion. i had already email them for a refund twice but they havnt responded it .

I think i got ripped off . And there is something more that i have to disclosed on this forum about how they tricked me (scam)and how i fell into there trap. (because i have seen my credit card detail)

There are couple of people on this forum who has purchase the product, but i think they have purchase two product for $497/- out ofthe ten product.

Is there any body who has purchase all ten product from them.

I think i am the only(foolish) person onthis forum to purchase all the ten product.

Why i am saying that i got ripped off or they tricked me is because :

when i have seen there first video for promotion of product they said you can buy two product for $497 out of the ten product they have. so i have given my credit card detail and fillup the form and submitted the form and suddenly again a video popup saying this is one time offer if you buy all ten product you will get it for $997/-.(as i think my brain has stopped working at that time) i went ahead with all the ten product for $997/-.

But to my surprise when after two days when the detail of payment came in my credit card account,

they had deducted two payment one $497/- and other $997/-.

According the me when i watched the video i was under immpression that all the ten product would cost me 997/-and they wont charge me 497/- seperately but they have even deducted 497/-.

i am sending them email everyday but they are not responding. I have even sent email to affilorama and i have got the following reply

Thanks for your email.
I'm sorry to hear you've been having problems with your purchase.
Please contact My Clickbank Business directly at there (support at the rate myclickbankbusiness dot com adddress )Also, please check your spam folder as their reply may have gone directly there.
Hope that helps. Let us know if you have any questions.

Kind Regards,
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Customer Support
Affilorama Group Limited

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anavi

17 years ago

Originally Posted by arya

myclickbankbusiness has a 30 days refund policy, that what they say in the promotion. i had already email them for a refund twice but they havnt responded it .

I think i got ripped off . And there is something more that i have to disclosed on this forum about how they tricked me (scam)and how i fell into there trap. (because i have seen my credit card detail)

According the me when i watched the video i was under immpression that all the ten product would cost me 997/-and they wont charge me 497/- seperately but they have even deducted 497/-.

i am sending them email everyday but they are not responding. I have even sent email to affilorama and i have got the following reply

thanks for reading my long post(maybe my frustation)

Arya, I bought niche socializer from these same people and since they did not deliver what they promised in the sales letter and their support was terrible, I asked for a refund, but they never replied to me, in fact, when I tried to check the status of my ticket, I found out they had erased my ticket. So I called my credit card company and they got me my refund, though it took a month to get full refund. You may want to call your credit card company, $1500 is a lot of money to loose!

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toddwrites 17 years ago

It has now been about 36 hours since my refund request, and still not a word. Previous emails to support were answered in about 12 hours.

Trying to hold off on the sweaty palms, but will be contacting my bank tomorrow if I see nothing today.
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tuxonio

17 years ago

Hi! guys how are you?

It is a shame that some people got bad experiences or think they have been scammed...eventually you will have the response and your money back...it happens a lot when a launch is made specially from marketers that have less experienced when they put out a new product...but rest assured you will get your money back.

But what really bugs me is the attitude of some "super" affiliates that are only interested in making out some or a lot of money from their lists by recommending products that they think are "really good"...did you know that this "super affiliates" make 85% of their money on people like you and me, who trust them and fall into their recommendations...and 15% ON ACTUAL MARKETING?.

It is something to consider and be very very cautious when it comes to buying the "Next Big Super Duper Product" specially if it is recommended from a marketer that your are in their program and keeps sending recommendations every week to other programs...

I used to fall in the trap all the time but not anymore!!...not all the programs out there are bad we just have to be patient...and the results will come. Keep close to one program and when you finished with that one go to the next...

Internet Marketing is incredible but we have to be patient...in my experience I can tell you that I wont be expecting great results with my projects for at least 6 months once I established the project...and after that other 6 months to get good financial results...some people are lucky and get results quicker but it is no by any way a norm...

Internet marketing is hard work and if you are really focused...results will definitely come.

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Avidpoet

17 years ago

Another thing with cross promotion you have to realize that they have the you scratch my back I'll scratch yours attitude. They feed off each others email lists and when its tiime to promote a "fishy" product I think they feel obligated to do so. Knowing all along some are probably thinking "I cant believe I sent that to my list but they did help me out"

Just my opinion though but it makes sense. Especially with some of the stuff thats been released this year.

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sebber

17 years ago

I bought this as well and I'm here, well, because I was wondering if my experience is unique. It's not.

First things first, they did a GREAT product pitch in the promotional video. I've seen a lot of this hype. I'm almost immune to it by now, but there was something more compelling in this presentation than most.

The video covered all aspects of the product and overcame a lot of the uncertainties and cynicism buyers might have.

I thought it over and decided "what if this IS a great opportunity?" and plunked down $497.

I had no buyer's remorse. I never do if something feels good.

I do have a lot of reservations now, though...

Here are the main reasons...

1) I've already spent an additional $65 on Hosting and domains...

2) I spent a good few hours on Thursday at my own expense getting things in place

3) I followed all the steps in the MCB dashboard and sent them my FTP details

and....

I have heard NOTHING....

Nothing has been configured on my server...

I have written three very polite emails to their support department and have had no answer at all...

I'm three days in and I already feel uncomfortable. In truth, I have never felt like that before. I have bought some incredible products and programs online. In most cases, the service has been excellent. Here, it is non-existent...

I appreciate they are doing a launch, but if a busy father like myself can email customers (when selling on eBay) within 12 hours, a company could do it within 3 days...

Customer service is so important and this is not how customers should feel, especially so early in the "relationship"...

I know that $497 might be a splash in the ocean to a lot of people around here, but it's expensive enough for me. I'm not a successful entrepreneur and I bought this to give me a head start. Now I'm feeling a bit silly for apparently having my head in the clouds...

This might all end up being fine, but I'm thinking of getting a refund sooner rather than later...

I paid with my Mastercard and know the MCB have a 30 day refund policy if you aren't happy...

But then, they would need to reply to their emails...

Should I give this a few days then go to my Credit Card company?

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17 years ago

Originally Posted by sebber

I bought this as well and I'm here, well, because I was wondering if my experience is unique. It's not.

First things first, they did a GREAT product pitch in the promotional video. I've seen a lot of this hype. I'm almost immune to it by now, but there was something more compelling in this presentation than most.

The video covered all aspects of the product and overcame a lot of the uncertainties and cynicism buyers might have.

I thought it over and decided "what if this IS a great opportunity?" and plunked down $497.

I had no buyer's remorse. I never do if something feels good.

I do have a lot of reservations now, though...

Here are the main reasons...

1) I've already spent an additional $65 on Hosting and domains...

2) I spent a good few hours on Thursday at my own expense getting things in place

3) I followed all the steps in the MCB dashboard and sent them my FTP details

and....

I have heard NOTHING....

Nothing has been configured on my server...

I have written three very polite emails to their support department and have had no answer at all...

I'm three days in and I already feel uncomfortable. In truth, I have never felt like that before. I have bought some incredible products and programs online. In most cases, the service has been excellent. Here, it is non-existent...

I appreciate they are doing a launch, but if a busy father like myself can email customers (when selling on eBay) within 12 hours, a company could do it within 3 days...

Customer service is so important and this is not how customers should feel, especially so early in the "relationship"...

I know that $497 might be a splash in the ocean to a lot of people around here, but it's expensive enough for me. I'm not a successful entrepreneur and I bought this to give me a head start. Now I'm feeling a bit silly for apparently having my head in the clouds...

This might all end up being fine, but I'm thinking of getting a refund sooner rather than later...

I paid with my Mastercard and know the MCB have a 30 day refund policy if you aren't happy...

But then, they would need to reply to their emails...

Should I give this a few days then go to my Credit Card company?

Their money back guarantee is..... well...... "delicately put" a big fat lie!
I've asked for it on the 30th day, and the reply was:
1st. e-mail: Please reconsider
2nd. e-mail: really? why?
3rd. e-mail: before canceling, please go watch this motivational video, maybe you lack motivation?
4th e-mail: oh' by the way you are over the 30 days....
since then, they stopped responding...
I looked everywhere for their business name or other contact info, and could not find it. Any ideas?

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thezone

17 years ago

Originally Posted by manddd

Their money back guarantee is..... well...... "delicately put" a big fat lie!
I've asked for it on the 30th day, and the reply was:
1st. e-mail: Please reconsider
2nd. e-mail: really? why?
3rd. e-mail: before canceling, please go watch this motivational video, maybe you lack motivation?
4th e-mail: oh' by the way you are over the 30 days....
since then, they stopped responding...
I looked everywhere for their business name or other contact info, and could not find it. Any ideas?

Like a bad contractor....I remember seeing something similar on a holmes on homes episode ....

Clients concrete porch cracks...we'll send someone out, and out comes the person...the guy that comes out states "we should wait until the winter passes so it settles enough so when we redo it, it doesn't happen again...don't worry its still under warranty"....call call... excuse ...excuse...we're coming...we're coming

Finally they get the person to come (like the day after the warranty expires) and what does he say; "Your warranty period is up...nothing you can do about it, take me to court if you like, you won't see a dime of your money" ....does the contractor stop there....hell no...they call the city, and turn the owners in for an un-permitted structure (the structure created by the contractor).

I would say that if you have documented evidence that you asked for the refund within the time period, demand a refund or you'll contact the FTC (and then contact the FTC anyways). Attempt a chargeback using the "refund" request you made as proof, worst case scenario, take them to small claims court on your own...or superior court as part of a class action.

In the end, anyone who doesn't do this is going to pay "the tax" (mentioned in another post), because when "the noobs" start distrusting IM'ers it will make it harder for you all.
And Madoff pretty much cleared the table for being trusting based even on reputation.
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On a side note...

I remember this one retailer...my wife and I ordered a bed....the delivery was supposed to be two weeks...well 4 weeks and still no bed (they didn't even order it yet...coming from Montreal), we decided to get a refund and go elsewhere...."sales associate" said....no problem...fills out the paper work (states the check will be mailed from head office...huh...check....why...head office...huh why), and I notice that its 25% less..hey pal where do you get off charging a "restocking" fee, and you didn't even have the bed shipped or ordered from the manufacturer....sorry that's our policy. Well send us the check, and we will do what we have to do.

Long story short....we initiated a chargeback (which takes up to 8 weeks to investigate), and figured we would just tell Visa we got paid and just chargeback the $500, apparently they don't do that...it's all or nothing....okay well we'll deal with it.

The retailer issues two checks and changed the reference number (less the 25% but in totally convoluted amounts)......

First, the reason the Retailer changed the "reference" number and issued two checks in convoluted amounts, is so they could claim I ordered something else...because legally they can't keep any money since the bed was never ordered (because damages has to make one whole..it would be unjust enrichment). It was either I take them to court..which takes time...and I have to deal with the whole crap...or they take me to court....
They have my money, so I will have to take them to court...oh well not like I don't live there already...I do what I have to ....I deposit the checks...and prepare the paperwork for small claims court....then Gawd calls...

Visa calls about the chargeback (after the 30 day period in which the checks could be recalled). Visa states the retailer gave a refund, and issued checks. I knew where this was going. I can play this same game too...

I informed Visa that the amount of those checks are not the amount charged on the Visa. I informed Visa that I reviewed the checks and they do not appear to match the amount of the bed, nor does the reference number (on the checks) match the invoice number of the bed. I further inquired why would they send "checks" (and two checks at that) on a single payment made by credit card. Visa asked for a letter, and without one word of a lie, I reiterated in writing, what I stated on the call.

I never stated nor denied I received the checks, or that they were (or were not) for the bed. Well Visa was satisfied that something was not right, and because of the convoluted attempts by the retailer to keep my money, no proof could be given that the "refund" was for the bed. The Retailer could not even show a shipping manifesto from the manufacturer which would allow them to keep any money whatsoever, so Visa refunded the whole amount of the purchase. They included a letter stating that upon investigating the matter they could not get satisfactory answers from the retailer, regarding the anomalies between the refund amounts, the reference numbers, the reason for a hold back of funds, the reason for the issuance of two checks. Visa is granting your request for refund, and action regarding this transaction will be between yourself and the retailer.

That was 2003 and the last I heard from them (not surprising, considering they attempted to create false supporting documentation so they could keep money they were not legally entitled to keep...and Visa would have provided great testimony). So they got their $500, and I got my money back, and I got my money back. Actually, if I consider my time and effort, I believe the payoff should have been a third $2,300.

You don't get to the position I am in (did I mention I make 13 digits a month), and drive a yugo, by allowing some fraudulent retailer (or anyone for that matter), walk away with even $1 of your money.

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manddd

17 years ago

Originally Posted by thezone

Like a bad contractor....I remember seeing something similar on a holmes on homes episode ....

Clients concrete porch cracks...we'll send someone out, and out comes the person...the guy that comes out states "we should wait until the winter passes so it settles enough so when we redo it, it doesn't happen again...don't worry its still under warranty"....call call... excuse ...excuse...we're coming...we're coming

Finally they get the person to come (like the day after the warranty expires) and what does he say; "Your warranty period is up...nothing you can do about it, take me to court if you like, you won't see a dime of your money" ....does the contractor stop there....hell no...they call the city, and turn the owners in for an un-permitted structure (the structure created by the contractor).

I would say that if you have documented evidence that you asked for the refund within the time period, demand a refund or you'll contact the FTC (and then contact the FTC anyways). Attempt a chargeback using the "refund" request you made as proof, worst case scenario, take them to small claims court on your own...or superior court as part of a class action.

In the end, anyone who doesn't do this is going to pay "the tax" (mentioned in another post), because when "the noobs" start distrusting IM'ers it will make it harder for you all.
And Madoff pretty much cleared the table for being trusting based even on reputation.
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On a side note...

I remember this one retailer...my wife and I ordered a bed....the delivery was supposed to be two weeks...well 4 weeks and still no bed (they didn't even order it yet...coming from Montreal), we decided to get a refund and go elsewhere...."sales associate" said....no problem...fills out the paper work (states the check will be mailed from head office...huh...check....why...head office...huh why), and I notice that its 25% less..hey pal where do you get off charging a "restocking" fee, and you didn't even have the bed shipped or ordered from the manufacturer....sorry that's our policy. Well send us the check, and we will do what we have to do.

Long story short....we initiated a chargeback (which takes up to 8 weeks to investigate), and figured we would just tell Visa we got paid and just chargeback the $500, apparently they don't do that...it's all or nothing....okay well we'll deal with it.

The retailer issues two checks and changed the reference number (less the 25% but in totally convoluted amounts)......

First, the reason the Retailer changed the "reference" number and issued two checks in convoluted amounts, is so they could claim I ordered something else...because legally they can't keep any money since the bed was never ordered (because damages has to make one whole..it would be unjust enrichment). It was either I take them to court..which takes time...and I have to deal with the whole crap...or they take me to court....
They have my money, so I will have to take them to court...oh well not like I don't live there already...I do what I have to ....I deposit the checks...and prepare the paperwork for small claims court....then Gawd calls...

Visa calls about the chargeback (after the 30 day period in which the checks could be recalled). Visa states the retailer gave a refund, and issued checks. I knew where this was going. I can play this same game too...

I informed Visa that the amount of those checks are not the amount charged on the Visa. I informed Visa that I reviewed the checks and they do not appear to match the amount of the bed, nor does the reference number (on the checks) match the invoice number of the bed. I further inquired why would they send "checks" (and two checks at that) on a single payment made by credit card. Visa asked for a letter, and without one word of a lie, I reiterated in writing, what I stated on the call.

I never stated nor denied I received the checks, or that they were (or were not) for the bed. Well Visa was satisfied that something was not right, and because of the convoluted attempts by the retailer to keep my money, no proof could be given that the "refund" was for the bed. The Retailer could not even show a shipping manifesto from the manufacturer which would allow them to keep any money whatsoever, so Visa refunded the whole amount of the purchase. They included a letter stating that upon investigating the matter they could not get satisfactory answers from the retailer, regarding the anomalies between the refund amounts, the reference numbers, the reason for a hold back of funds, the reason for the issuance of two checks. Visa is granting your request for refund, and action regarding this transaction will be between yourself and the retailer.

That was 2003 and the last I heard from them (not surprising, considering they attempted to create false supporting documentation so they could keep money they were not legally entitled to keep...and Visa would have provided great testimony). So they got their $500, and I got my money back, and I got my money back. Actually, if I consider my time and effort, I believe the payoff should have been a third $2,300.

You don't get to the position I am in (did I mention I make 13 digits a month), and drive a yugo, by allowing some fraudulent retailer (or anyone for that matter), walk away with even $1 of your money.

Thanks for the time you took to reply. I appreciate the advice, but..... How do you go about taking legal action against a company located outside the US, and is not listed anywhere?
I tried looking at the bbb.org site, and could not find any info.
anybody has suggestions?

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Edson Buchanan

17 years ago

Hello,

Although I have been in the marketing business for some years now, I also fell into the super guru marketing trap by someone that I have always respected and trusted.

anyways I had the same questions that are being asked here right now, like with thousands of people selling the same product wont it saturate the market?

so inside the members area they have even more bonuses you probably wont even use then you have the stages to set up your click bank business. you have a total of ten steps.

Now only five of the ten steps are ready as the rest say coming soon. you would think everything would at least be 95% ready for such a high price item but it happens I guess.

So step 1 lets you see the 8 ready made ebook system you get to choose from and then the rest shows you how to set up domain name, hosting and merchant account.

Now as I was looking to choose what niche I wanted I started to research some of the domain names people has already picked for there websites and I noticed something; when I clicked on the payment button to see how much they where starting to sell thier product for, this is what I got:

IMPORTANT!

This product is no longer for sale or has been disabled due to a terms of
service violation

so before I even picked a niche, I emailed them about it, and like everyone else no answer.

The more I started thinking about it, the more it made sense, If I ran click bank, I would not allow thousands and thousands of people to sell the exact same product, 50-100 maybe OK but thousands would saturate the market thus causing marketers to go else where to promote.

So for all the newbies out there, been doing this for two years and even I fell into the get rich quick attitude. Now I know I need to go back to what has worked...eBay LOL

I'm going to ask for a refund today and I will post when I get it.

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amanita

17 years ago

Originally Posted by ebuchanan

Hello,

So for all the newbies out there, been doing this for two years and even I fell into the get rich quick attitude. Now I know I need to go back to what has worked...eBay LOL

Hi,
This is exactly the point here : We all like to believe in what we want to hear, that is now and then.

One of the oldest trick around, but still works

One has to take time, be careful, remove the impulse to get it now. Instead, leave it for a couple of hours. Do something different, then get back to it and look for loopholes in the system. Even better, sleep on it, get over it for at least 12 hours ! Never be taken away immediatly.That is from my experience.

I rarely get carried away so easily those days and very glad I have become more cautious on my purchases on the Net. And God knows how much I like to buy.

For those who have bought, I am sure you all will get refund either from your credit card bank or Clickbank as I assume this product is listed there.

Good luck to all,

Amanita

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sebber

17 years ago

They build in classic scarcity and most of us want the "get rich quick" results. After all, who can blame us? Every single luanch has amazing stories about the single Mom or plucky loser who happened upon a formula and made insane amounts of money in mere days...

It's almost cliche...

I think that, within most of us, is that subconscious belief that one day our ship will come in. Sadly, there are people out there who prey on our hopes and dreams...

We can all understand marketing and I certainly have the "what's in it for them?" mentality. I know that none of these products are sold out of the goodness of their heart. The marketers will invariably come out MUCH better off. I figured that, besides an easy $497, they would find a way to get affiliate sales through these sites.

I honestly think the best way to make money is to get a TRUE insider's tip. A lot of marketers are well-intentioned but, if you tell 800 people at a seminar your "success secret", it ceases to be a secret. When the cat's out of the bag, it usually results in saturation and a drop in value...

I, too, will be asking for a refund. Will leave it 24 hours and send a definitive email to them...

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AdamLCasey

17 years ago

To the forum owner - This is in no way product bashing this is an honest and truthful account of my experience so far which is what this forum is about I believe.

As I said previously in this post I've bought this product.
I bought it on Tuesday the 18th of August.
Now if you reading this go to www dot myclickbankbusiness dot com and start watching the video pitch after 1 minute the guy (not sure who he is?) states the following:

" What if actually you could buy a complete niche marketing business, install it in minutes, and be seeing profit in it in less that a week"

Well it's two days away from the end of 'That' week and as "ebuchanan" mentioned in an earlier post, half of the steps I need to take are not even open for me to complete yet.

My website is also installed and up. (I have to correct the comment earlier that stated that you can't host it anywhere. You can, you just have to give them your ftp details and they install everything for you)

I've emailed their support quite a few times and the first was to check if the site building was going ahead as there was no confirmation message. They didn't inform you to check back in 24 hours (which is about how long it took).

The first response i got back was in just over 24hrs. I'm in the UK so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. They gave me another email to contact for install problems which is installations @ myclickbankbusiness dot com

I also sent them another one just asking for directions to a support forum as its so frustrating waiting so long to ask small simple questions.

They responded again just over 24hrs and asked for more information.
Also reminding me that I had 30 days risk free to evaluate the product - that's says to me that they're not wholly confident in their own product.

Anyway my last email to them which has not been replied to yet was on thursday and was to tell them that I wasn't happy with the false advertising mentioned in their promo video. You simply cannot set it up in minutes. (unless your converting hours into minutes!) I also very much doubt that I'll be able to be making profit by Tuesday.

I bought this product as I have a product I've been working on for a while but wanted to know just what goes into launching an running a product through ClickBank. So this is really pre-training for my own product. However listening to some very logical questions raised by fellow warriors regarding Duplicate content and how ClickBank would allow hundreds of duplicate products lower the quality of their site, now has me thinking that it could have been a mistake. However I'm willing to see it through to the end (of the 30 day moneyback guarantee period at least) so will report back as to my success with this product.

One area that will no doubt be clogging up their support system is that the video tutorial in Step 4 Part 3 that takes you through loading up the supplied emails for your autoresponder. Wrongly guides users to putting 1 lot of emails into the wrong list of people. So you were basically sending out emails targeting people who had just joined your list to potential affiliate marketers instead.

Because of this I started to read the emails and they were riddled with poor grammer, spelling mistakes and missing words. Also some parts had obvious content left in that was part of one of their other niches completely.

I was shocked at this, because if you continue to watch the video pitch he basically mounts up all the cost involved in producing a good quality niche product. And copywriting was one of his biggest costs!
In my email I've politely instructed him that he missed out proof reading and he could pay me if he felt the urge.

If you have bought this product read over the content and double check your niche doesn't have the same errors that I've found.

As I said I will persevere with this product as part of my education into ClickBank launches, all I'll say is that they need to contact all of their customers and apologise for the time it takes for support to get back.

I bought John Reese's Opportunity.com product and commendably, he was very quick to apologise to everyone when he had a similar issue with basically not having everything ready before opening his doors.

So here's hoping they will make the effort to inform us all, instead of continuing to market to me, with more and more sales emails.

Like the Grolsh advert states "stop, slow down, this is not ready yet!"

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brjohn1 17 years ago

Update: 8/23/09...

I have received a couple of reply e-mails this weekend... nothing helpful yet, just stating that the specific support rep was unaware of problems but that the launch had been busier than expected. While it sounds like the left-hand and right-hand are not talking to each other, at least the e-mail responses tells me there are still some warm bodies over there.

8/23 AM: I noticed that STEP #5 has been activated, where just a couple of days ago it was still in "Coming Soon" status.

ADAM - Did you receive any responses to your recent support e-mails?

I am hopeful that they simply had a system/process breakdown and will recover. I do agree with Adam's observations that the system is not complete yet, cannot be launched today and expect a return in a week, that the copy needs to be reviewed yourself, and that whatever Clickbank product they suggest would be saturated quickly. I have a strategy around that last issue, but need to have a complete program to work with first.

8/23 PM: I just noticed that STEP #6 has been activated, where just a couple of days ago it was still in "Coming Soon" status.
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- Wah Bhatti 17 years ago
  
  Wow a marketing forum complaining about being marketed to,
  I just love it
  
  All these launches are like that its called advertising
  You used to find it in your news papers
  Or in direct marketing.
  
  So why complain when you got sold to
  I admire these guys after reading this thread,
  
  For offering to install a complete business for you
  Imagine all the newbie's and veterans that would just download and forgot.
  
  That's the only mistake they made offer to do it for you
  I can't fault them
  
  as for dup content wow can't you just take the base and make it better
  
  Or am on not thinking straight 10 products done in one go looks cheap to me
  Don't plr rights to good stuff sell for al lot more?
  
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AdamLCasey

17 years ago

@ Wah Bhatti,

Not sure who that's aimed at. I personally have no problem with being marketer to but I don't like it when the pitch lays out false claims. You can't say "Installed in minutes and making you a PROFIT in a week" when in reality it's simply not possible. I can't even gain access to the training areas that I need to, to finish off the site!

Not sure why you'd admire that kind of work? It's not something I'd be proud of and it certainly won't be raising their profile and building their 'Guru' credentials.
It's lazy stuff and yes you can take the duplicate content and make it better yourself, in fact you will need to as it's not been proof read and has a ton of parts to it that are wrong.

I think people in here have the right to speak out when they purchase a high price product from someone and receive poor quality goods. You'd do the same if you bought anything else that didn't do what it claimed in the advert! Why should internet marketing products not have to back up their claims?

@BRJohn1 I'm still waiting on a response regarding the errors in the copy writing. I emailed them on Thursday of last week so based on the other replies I should get a response in either the early hours on tonight or wake up on Tuesday to find it. Tuesday being the end of "That Week" where I won't have made a profit.

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AdamLCasey

17 years ago

Question for any Warriors out there that have launched a product in Clickbank.

Does Clickbank reject products over $50 if you don't have any history with them. i.e. if your first product is $147 is the chance that they will reject you high?

If this is the case is there any tips that you can advise of to help secure acceptance?

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brjohn1

17 years ago

Update: 8/24/09: A.M. ...

Installation Support (mycbinstallation AT googlemail dot com) replied today (Monday) with the FTP account information that I needed. It does seem that they simply got way behind and failed to communicate this to their customers.

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Neil 17 years ago

@ AdamLCasey

Great info - thanks for the effort. I'll look forward to your updates.

Re: Opportunity.com

I bought the "Starter Package" for $197 (eight niche sites). For the price there is a pretty decent skeleton for each of the niche sites - including:

1) Free Report opt-in page,
2) Free Report download page
3) the Free Report in pdf and word
4) a list of 10 affiliate programs,
5) 10 pre-written autoresponder emails.

For the money a lot of work has already been done. While all of the writing is kind of generic, the grammer and spelling are pretty solid. I'd personally rate the quality at least a C or C+ over all - which is good enough to test and tweak going forward. Especially if a Noob used all of the tools on Opportunity.com to spiff and personalize.

Which brings me to MyClickbankBusiness.com

You hit the nail on the head when refering to their promises. They talked like it was all ready to go... you could literally grab your files, get a domain name, upload to your server, submit your product to Clickbank and get moving as soon as you got Clickbank's O.K.

What I find really confusing is all of the talk here in the forum about ftp access and who does what as far as loading the files or setting the web site up.

QUESTIONS:
1) do you have the option of downloading all of the files and uploading them to you personal server yourself?

2) why would they ever need ftp access?

MY OPINION: If My Clickbank Business were to give me a functional web site with good structure, good graphics, B-grade copywriting, a solid product with editable files, and 10 basic autoresponder messages - I'd buy it.

But only IF you showed me testimonials and a sample of all of the elements above. I don't see those anywhere... without those you are just buying a promise.

RE: NEWBIES & all of the web sites being the same. This issue wouldn't be on a newbie's radar and this package would be a waste of their money just about 100% of the time. But it would be easily addressed with very little elbow grease if it were a quality & editable package to begin with.

Therin lies the rub!

I'll look forward to your updates!
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- sebber 17 years ago
  
  @ Wah Bhatti
  
  I personally acknowledged the excellent sales pitch here, but then does good marketing = big promises and non-delivery. I should hope not and I would question anyone who thinks that customers should be treated in such a poor manner.
  
  I emailed MCB support at the weekend and got a "sorry, our system was not running too well" apology reply. I was also promised that they would put a rush on it and I'd get a reply again "very soon".
  
  That was Saturday...
  
  I still haven't heard anything...
  
  $497 is too much money for this. $7 is too much for this...
  
  Too many marketers play the blame game and claim that customers slam a product without taking action. That is a fair point...
  
  It's just a little disheartening when you take the action required of you and the product creators fail to act on their promises. That's the flip side of the coin...
  
  Anyway, I asked for a refund tonight. Will let you know how long I have to wait until I get a reply, if I even get a reply...
  
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  toddwrites 17 years ago
  
  I purchased the full 10-product package. I was also surprised that the initial $497 charge was IN ADDITION to the $997. Didn't see that one coming.
  
  I have spent about 10 hours so far getting my first site set up, have just about everything ready to go (edited) except for the payment option part. I ran into all of the same typos and mess of mentioning another product on the website I was working with (e.g. Pick up this golf product and learn how to become a Super Affiliate!)
  
  And then I decide to go and read the "product".
  
  OUCH. The product reads like an encyclopedia entry. HAS to be simply a public domain document, complete with mid-20th century illustrations.
  
  Not sure what to do at this point. Clearly, they did not deliver what they pitched in the videos. I understand and accept being marketed to; I don't accept being lied to.
  
  The question I am asking myself is: Is there enough value in the websites, graphics, copy, autoresponder emails and a WEAK product (I have only seen one of the ten, but am not too hopeful about the other nine) to make this worthwhile IF I am willing to put in some work to clean it all up and make it truly saleable? OR does the fact that other folks have the exact same stuff completely do away with any possible value?
  
  Any feedback?
  
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  AdamLCasey 17 years ago
  
  @Todd,
  
  Completely agree with you I've only just got round to opening my product and reading it and it's just the same as yours. It reads like an junior encyclopedia.
  
  Very dumbed down product, first chapter is so stretched out with waffle, it's painful to read. This is as I've said before an experiment that I'm determined to see through, so I'll carry on to see what happens?
  (Just so nobody can accuse me of not seeing this through to the end!)
  
  However, based on their videos training I'm apparently ready to submit my product to ClickBank now.
  But my website is missing the (ClickBank) required links in the footer that all the video examples seem to have? (hmm another thing I need to add in myself!)
  
  Another point that has left me perplexed is the fact that in the video training, they are now recommending PayDotCom over ClickBank!
  
  WHY call your product MyClickBankBusiness if you're not really wanting people to use ClickBank? The reason why as stated in the video is because they don't have a product approval system. (it's more than likely that paydotcom are paying them a bigger affiliate fee, the video is very bias towards PayDotCom and re-iterates several times that we must type in their affiliate URL instead of just searching for paydotcom in Google)
  
  This is now beginning to sound like I could potentially harm my reputation at ClickBank by even attempting to submit this product?
  
  I won't be launching this product in ClickBank until I speak to the support people at myClickBankBusiness.com. I'll be sending an email tonight.
  
  Again - There's absolutely no chance of a turning a profit in 1 week!
  
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  sebber 17 years ago
  
  Update:
  
  Sent an email to their support, explaining why I was disappointed and asking for an instant refund...
  
  The support department replied within an hour saying "we are ready to set up your site". That's weird, since I was supposed to be getting TWO niche sites.
  
  They even had the audacity to claim their installers had emailed me asking for more info. This is just blatant dishonesty and has made things worse....
  
  In the space of five days, I've had no real communication and, when I have, there have been lies and false promises...
  
  Not impressive in the least...
  
  Nevertheless, I was adamant I wanted a full refund and I wanted it in writing...
  
  I'm still waiting for an answer...
  
  What a surprise!
  
  ONE MORE THING: The red flag was seeing a preview of the niche sites they are offering. They are, in a word, basic. They look extremely generic and are not the "blow me over" offerings promised.
  
  In all honesty, I wouldn't buy any of the niche products based on how they are pitched in the sales letters...
  
  The sales video gives a convincing breakdown of what all this would cost you if you did it yourself (11 grand as opposed to a "have we lost our mind?!" $497). However, there is NO WAY the sales copy for the niche sites was worth a few grand, as it was claimed...
  
  I could invest in a Harlan Kilstein or John Carlton copywriting course and learn much better copy in a few days than what was on here...
  
  This is not a true "business in a box" and would require a bit more work tweaking the copy and, according to other reviews, the actual product.
  
  I just hope my refund comes through...
  
  All in all, I'm not impressed and would seriously question the money-making potential of this.
  
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maesil

17 years ago

Ok so here's the deal:
It takes money to make money. It's really cliche and everybody does say it, but it's completely true. You can either spend $120,000 to go to a mediocre business school and learn it there, or you can spend the measly $3000 that internet marketers ask for. Given that you don't have to spend 4 years learning the information they give you, and the fact that they offer a money back guarantee, I think it's a pretty good deal no matter how much it costs. Give them a break, they are being nice.

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sebber

17 years ago

Originally Posted by maesil

Ok so here's the deal:
It takes money to make money. It's really cliche and everybody does say it, but it's completely true. You can either spend $120,000 to go to a mediocre business school and learn it there, or you can spend the measly $3000 that internet marketers ask for. Given that you don't have to spend 4 years learning the information they give you, and the fact that they offer a money back guarantee, I think it's a pretty good deal no matter how much it costs. Give them a break, they are being nice.

I don't quite follow...

I would rather not have been in a position to ask for a refund...

I would have MUCH preferred this was everything they claimed it was...

I wanted this to be good, to be a moneymaker and to DELIVER.

It's not even close, in my experience...

I don't think that failing to deliver any service at all and then refunding for lack of delivery is any great shake.

If you put money down for a car and never even had a chance to drive it, would you think the Salesman was providing a "great deal" by refunding you?

I mean, I do see your point if you get to use/sample the product. I'm just hoping they'll refund now. I haven't had a reply to two of my emails requesting it...

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manddd 17 years ago

They say a picture worth a 1000 words, so look above, and multiply by a 1000 for each face.

Here is my personal experience with the "myclickbankbusiness.com"

at first, a lot of excitement, because of all the promises. I'm very new to the IM field, and this deal seemed to cut through a lot of the mystery.

So, after purchasing the additional hosting and name (and thank god I did not purchase their dedicated hosting at additional $200) I asked them to upload the site.... I had to do it twice.

Moreover, they stressed that they will walk through everything that needs to be done. We will be looking "over their shoulders"
Well guess what... the walk through's are shallow, the explanations are vague and the sentence " just highlight this section"... when their Camtasia software (or which ever one they use) is cutting the view so it is impossible to see what is done are in abandon.

and also, the narrator of the videos (presumably Andrew X himself) is constantly yawning while talking.....

The site they eventually uploaded was at best incomplete (pages are missing)

and now, they will not uphold their money back guarantee, claiming that the time period is over.... when it is not ( I may not know much of IM but I know how to count - being an accountant and all)

If anyone knows how to contact them other than via their unanswered e-mail address, please let me know

I intent to raise hell for them where ever I can, and would love some help.

WHO'SE UP FOR IT?
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thezone

17 years ago

Originally Posted by maesil

Ok so here's the deal:
It takes money to make money. It's really cliche and everybody does say it, but it's completely true. You can either spend $120,000 to go to a mediocre business school and learn it there, or you can spend the measly $3000 that internet marketers ask for. Given that you don't have to spend 4 years learning the information they give you, and the fact that they offer a money back guarantee, I think it's a pretty good deal no matter how much it costs. Give them a break, they are being nice.

Now there you go....what you don't realize is that someone who went to a business school would know corporate structure...and if somebody wanted to set up a money back guarantee that you couldn't collect on (it could be done). So a money back guarantee on a company which uses deceptive practices (and based on the reviews in this thread, that appears to be the case), isn't much of a comfort. I doubt in this case that the corporate veil can't be easily pierced, but still it appears that some that are being denied that refund, will have to take a route which is much more hassle.

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manddd 17 years ago

well, one more thing...

There is a Yiddish saying that I wish to quote here:

"may they spend it on medicine..."
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TimothyW

17 years ago

I would've thought there would be (what is commonly called) "honor among thieves." Meaning offers would be set up to give "insiders" a fair shake. Marketers wouldn't be eating their own, so to speak. In this case that appears not to be the case. Very unfortunate. I must say I was impressed with the pitch (but I did not buy).

Maybe the quality of the book COVER, and the quality of the book itself, are, by necessity, inversely proportional???

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DonD

17 years ago

Hi all.

As a few other I also bought the full 10-site package which was offer at $997 - and to my surprise I got charged $497 + $997. I have written twice to support about this without any reply from them yet!

Support have uploaded all the site files for 5 of the sites to my own domains (you can't download the files yourself) and given that I have only requested 5 of the 10 packages yet, this is pretty good. However some serious other problems though.

I have found a number of spelling errors, autoresponder emails without formatting, readme files regarding the main product that tells you "to edit the Word-file and save it as a pdf-file" (which Word can't do!).

Most importantly I also decided to do a detailed review of one of the sites I am currently setting up. Sales page can be seen at www dot home-windmills dot net, should anyone be interested (order buttons are NOT live - and I am beginning to fear that I won't ever be enabling them either).

A very early snippet on the sales page sums up the product like this:

Build your own solar or wind power generator by following easy, simple, "any kid could understand it" instructions
Slash your monthly home electric bill by 80%...or maybe even eliminate it entirely
Go completely off "the grid" so rising power costs will never bother you again

From that pitch I take it the product will teach me to build my own solar and wind power generators! Man am I wrong!
Main product is a 75 page word document/pdf consisting entirely of text (no images or diagrams).
The text does a decent job of covering solar power and its many applications, however there are almost no mentioning of wind power (1 page). Instructions for building your own solar or wind power generators are not covered at all!!!

Definitely not what I would be expecting if I had bought the E-book on some site myself.

Now to be fair, I actually think they have done a decent job with the site design and sales copy and most of their training, however in my opinion their product quality doesn't match their promises at all.

Don

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sebber

17 years ago

Originally Posted by DonD

Hi all.
Definitely not what I would be expecting if I had bought the E-book on some site myself.

Now to be fair, I actually think they have done a decent job with the site design and sales copy and most of their training, however in my opinion their product quality doesn't match their promises at all.

Don

You nailed it right there. This is not really what was promised...

It was supposed to be super professional and tailored...

I read in one of their pitches today that they sold this to *2000* marketers. So that's 2000 identical sites floating about...an average of 200 per niche. The same product, the same web design and copy!

This makes the whole exercise worthless to all of us who were told we'd be getting a "Business in a Box"...

It's like going back in time when stuff like this was marketed frequently. I'd hoped IM had left that behind, but here's a throwback!!

Here's an idea: REAL SCARCITY. This could have been truly amazing if they limited this to, for instance, 50 customers and they could have tried upselling those customers or even tried using in-demand continuity marketing...

SO much potential wasted...

Ok, so my suggestion would mean less profits for them, but greater integrity in the long-run and I'd say near complete satisfaction from the customers...

Better support too....

Sadly, greed won out and apparently you couldn't even hold your head up selling the ebook products they probably threw together in a few days...

A low availability of these "businesses", which was claimed, would have meant each niche site could have been designed individually.

They could have designed five distinct products in each niche (50 different products essentially), and each product could then only be selected once. Most people would have paid more that - maybe even $997.

Did anyone else who succumbed also think MCB *might* be something along the lines I quoted?

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toddwrites 17 years ago

After REALLY trying to figure out a way for this to work and make sense based on the one package I had looked at so far, I had to go ahead and request a refund last night because of the feedback I got from you guys on the other ebooks that also delivered absolutely nothing that was promised (thank you).

I wanted to figure out a way to use the ebooks as a freebie giveaway (and also chop it up into articles) to funnel them toward an affiliate site, but even that just didn't seem to justify the expense. In fact, it has almost become a matter of principle on this issue instead of a matter of feasability: How could they deliver such a crappy info product and expect anyone to be okay with it? Kind of insulting.

Still puzzled by this whole experience, but hopeful it will come to an end very soon with a speedy refund.

Todd
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- admin915 17 years ago
  
  There is a trick in Direct Marketing where you test a
  concept out before you even make the product.
  
  I believe than is what was done here. They had a concept
  built a couple of "dummy" sites and unleashed it on us complete
  with the marketing hype that we know so well.
  
  Now that they are overwhelmed with orders they are NOW trying to
  put the rest of the stuff together ("coming soon").
  
  I do not have a problem with Turnkey systems. The trick is you can
  use it as a base to build on. You have to change it up so that it's unique to you.
  This is my main reason for buying into this.
  
  I willingly bought the 10 sites via their OTO. I also got caught with the deception that I was getting 10 sites for $997.00 but it turns out that this is addition to the
  initial $497. It's hard to tell when you are working thought the
  buying process. I complained about it but they just replied saying that's the way it is!
  There is another OTO that is also a monthly membership where they supply one site per month.
  
  The other thing is that if you buy their hosting option ( dedicated server) you have no control. In fact you have no control at all. You do not get the files for your sites; you also do not get the FTP information for their (your?) "dedicate server". It's all done by their "installation team."
  
  This has got me really pissed. I am spending all this $$ and I can't access my own server (which is an extra yearly cost), nor do I get the files for my sites?? I am assuming that you can only use their (your?) server for their (your?) sites.
  
  Ironically if you are providing you own hosting they want YOUR FTP info!!
  Again they control everything.
  
  MyClickBankBusiness is starting to look line "THEIR ClickBankBusiness"!
  
  I have not installed any sites as yet. I decided to watched ALL the videos before I do anything to get a feel for what it was about. I sent questions after each video for clarification. However most of the time there is no response, or a sort of vague response that is obviously designed to buy more time until they can get their act together.
  
  I will be giving them till the end of the week. If I cannot get access to my
  dedicated server or a zip file of each site or a proper response from their support I will
  be asking for a refund and calling my credit card company if I don't get it.
  
  I think the concept is great but the implementation is poor!
  
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  brjohn1 17 years ago
  
  It took 4 days of me hounding them to get my FTP account information back to me. You simply can't launch the sites without the FTP info.
  
  Stay on them... they will get it to you.
  
  I used the support form on the main page, the support e-mail address also on the main page (different destinations, by the way), and installation AT myclickbankbusiness dot com. Not sure which one responded, but they finally did.
  
  I agree that this was a market test that over promised and under delivered.
  
  Based on the FTP account info I received, the FTP account login might use a predictable UN/PW format. Let me know if you want me to elaborate offline.
  
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DonD

17 years ago

Hi, admin915.

You write:
"Ironically if you are providing you own hosting they want YOUR FTP info!!
Again they control everything."

In the spirit of fairness they (MyCBB) only need an FTP login for your own server in order to upload all the sites files. Once they have uploaded the files you are free to do what you please with the site.

Just as you, I am giving them to the end of the week to answer my support questions and/or post proper content on their site, before submitting my refund request.

Don

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Edson Buchanan

17 years ago

Hi Guys

I asked for a refund on Sunday and got an email yesterday stating that it would take 7-10 days for the refund to show in my account. I will keep you updated on how long but so far its been five days since the first email.

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Jamie Lewis

17 years ago

The sad thing is.. when the refund goes through the license will deactivate and the website they installed will stop working.

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kellio48

17 years ago

There are several posts here which have alluded to Mark Ling's Affilorama site and there is at least one other member beside myself here.

I joined one arm of their membership site late year as a complete newbie (affiloblueprint) and can honestly say that it does offer a lot of learning for those new to IM or AM and I would recommend it.

However I'm not here to promote anything!

I just want to say that one of the most important things I've learned is to hold back on new launches.

I very nearly bought MCB from the promotional email Mark sent out to his subscribers and members on the first day but held back to see what people would be saying a couple of weeks down the track. Hence....that's why I'm here.

I've also done a fair bit of scratching around Google and in other forums to get the lowdown on what people are saying and what I've found is not encouraging. I'm so glad now that I hung back.

While I have nothing against Mark or anyone else for promoting it (after all that's their job) I do feel that many of the so called gurus and super affiliates who promote such stuff, sometimes lack integrity in offering products that they themselves have failed to research properly, knowing full too well that the people they are targeting are vulnerable and naïve.

Mark Ling went to considerable trouble to market My Clickbank Business during the launch stage, in conducting a two and a half hour phone interview with Andrew X which he then placed in the private member's forum as a downloadable file for members. He has since enhanced that with certain graphics which can be seen by anyone for free if you enter his site.

While I've always respected Mark for his teaching site and knowledge, I've also respected his integrity and honesty, but.... I'm afraid that judging from what I've been able to uncover about MCB, he's lost some ground for me on this one.

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