Screw Google - Infomillionaire 2?

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Hey Guys

Has anyone had a look at the new "Screw Google" system from Trey and Frank.

I am a bit nervous about signing up for it given the feedback that some of you have had with getting a refund in case it is unsuitable. Should I be worried about given them my credit card details?

thanks

Robert
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  • Profile picture of the author Harlan
    Originally Posted by Robert de Paola View Post

    Hey Guys

    Has anyone had a look at the new "Screw Google" system from Trey and Frank.

    I am a bit nervous about signing up for it given the feedback that some of you have had with getting a refund in case it is unsuitable. Should I be worried about given them my credit card details?

    thanks

    Robert
    I bought the system.

    I got charged a dollar. Wow.

    Meanwhile, this is really good content.

    I'm watching videos from Frank and Trey. I don't care if I know this stuff, every time I watch something from Frank & Trey I learn something.

    And yes. I buy stuff even from my friends.

    I don't like to ask for favors.

    Is this worth it?

    Yes.

    Two thumbs up.

    Peace.
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  • Profile picture of the author frank-kern
    Hi Robert,

    We pretty much have a "refund first, ask questions later" policy. If anyone has EVER had trouble getting a refund, I want to know it immediately.

    When we launched InfoMillionaire, we got right around 8,000 customers in a very short time and essentially overwhelmed our support staff. (Dumb mistake.)

    Add that to the fact that we were using a new support system ...which we set up WRONG (therefore causing the system to *dump* support tickets for about 4 days) and you get a customer service disaster.

    That was 100% our fault and we were very embarrassed by it.

    We now have tripled the support staff (all U.S. based and local to our offices) and are doing a "non-launch" as to avoid getting too many new customers too fast.

    Any comments of mine regarding whether or not the product is any good would be so biased they'd be irrelevant.

    So the main reason I'm replying here is to address the refund issue. That stuff freaks me out and if there's anyone who wants a refund for anything then I want them to have it.

    My personal email address is superbadkern at gmail.com if anyone needs anything.

    Thanks,
    Frank
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    • Profile picture of the author richandgreedy
      Frank is the man ! Well he appears to be anyway .. Ha! We buy all his stuff and it makes us money period end of story. Buy screw google then ACTUALLY go through all of the information then ACTUALLY put into practice what you learned and you will make money. The key is to TAKE ACTION on Kerns stuff not just read it.
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      • Profile picture of the author elliot
        I'm a member of Info Millionaire and LOVE it.

        I used the Ninja program in the first package which brought me in $220 on my first day of using it, which may not seem big to most of you, but before that I seriously had more zero's in my clickbank account than in the binary code of the first ever computer!

        Anyway Google changed some stuff and put that to an end - So Screw Google. Since I've been using SG im now starting to get that clickbank account back up their again!

        I appreciate all the info Frank and Trey teach us! I think for some of the people complaining you wanna try working at Home Depot for a little more inspiration to use this stuff and get the hell out of a day job like me.

        Frank said in an interview with Tony Robbins that he wants to help people just like me. So thanks to programs like infomillionaire I am starting to see some hope after all! Thanks guys!

        One tip for others using SG - Use it on physical products too
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  • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
    I've never had any problem with support from Frank Kern, sometimes response is a little slow during and just after their launches (when they no doubt have huge numbers of enquiries to get through) but other than that very good.

    I don't know about all of Frank Kern's products but I do have Mass Control 1, Mass Control 2 and I'm subscribed to Mass Control Monthly. The stuff he teaches in these products works I found when put into practice, certainly has made me plenty of money.

    There is a treasure trove of great information on his Mass Control blog alone, loads of high quality videos on marketing which are free to view, in fact watching one of his free videos on his blog last year impressed me so much I went on to buy Mass Control.
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    • Profile picture of the author A Bary
      The screenshots are from a Yahoo Search Marketing account...

      Anyone got it and found valuable or new information there?
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  • Profile picture of the author Leanne King
    I'm running behind schedule today so I haven't watched the vid yet but I will say that I cancelled Infomillionaire and it was completely painless accompanied by excellent customer service. Btw I didn't cancel Infomillionaire because I thought it was a rubbish product. I have MC and the service/support for that product has been outstanding.
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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      The stuff Frank teaches on it is basic.

      But stay with me here.

      Complicating things on the Internet is where you screw things up.

      You make your money on the basics.

      Frank is a very lazy person.

      Cousin Trey (who owes me a phone call btw) is even lazier.

      And there's a very good (and seriously smart) reason behind what they are doing.

      If you just follow what these two characters do, I promise you will make money.

      Do not be deceived by the simplicity.

      I wrote some copy for an IM guru yesterday.

      His copy was very complex. I made it brain dead simple.

      I watched hours of the videos last night. Now I've been doing this for a long time.

      I was an original "Underachiever" before I met Frank.

      And my policy has been, do what he does and make money.

      Hell, just the buying process was an experience for me.

      I plan on replicating everything in that process.

      So now in addition to the two thumbs up, I'm holding up my elbows as well.

      And how many IM gurus do you know who come on the WF and post their personal email address.


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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
    Sorry to bother people here - but I noticed someone said Mass Control Monthly - is it still running and if so - where is the darn order page?

    Harlan, I love how you and Frank both adopt the same approach to text layout - did Frank teach you it or vice versa?

    Regardless, it really really increases readability and I've found for myself that increases sales.

    With these darn DVDs on the Googles things. Do they play on PAL DVD players ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      Originally Posted by Steve Peters Benn View Post


      Harlan, I love how you and Frank both adopt the same approach to text layout - did Frank teach you it or vice versa?

      Regardless, it really really increases readability and I've found for myself that increases sales.
      I'd love to say Frank stole it from me.

      In fact, I'm going to go ahead a say it.

      Frank stole it from me.

      Actually, it's all about readability.

      John Carlton - who teaches BOTH of us - now advocated paragraphs no longer than two sentences. I now try to follow this advice if at all possible.

      It makes my copy deceptively simple.

      So when you are reading my next sales letter, before you order the product, take a second to notice the layout and the supreme short paragraphs.

      Peace.

      Harlan

      PS. Before you order Mass Control monthly, make a vow to watch it through in its entirety every month. Really good stuff. July 09 was masterful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
    Hi Harlan,

    I already do take notice! Where is the order page for Mass Control monthly?
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    • Profile picture of the author Universal_Soul
      Hi,
      Just wanted to say I never had any problems with refund (I cancelled Infomillionaire because I had too much things to do at this time - the content was great and useful anyway) - quick, easy and they were very kind and extended my trial for another two weeks to give me more time, but I still couldn't make it. I don't know if I'll make it this time either - but the time is coming I feel really bad because I'll definitely use some stuff they show in "Screw Google". Actually I'll start today - because this thing is just awesome! Simplicity is what I love about them. But simple is the most efficient - the more complicated the less the chance I'll ever do this....

      Best

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    • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
      Originally Posted by Steve Peters Benn View Post

      Hi Harlan,

      I already do take notice! Where is the order page for Mass Control monthly?
      Mass Control Monthly is closed I believe at the moment.

      It isn't cheap at $297/month but it is well worth it though I have to say.

      It is one membership I won't cancel along with Total Access Club run by Ryan Deiss which is also excellent I have found.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
    oh dear. Ah well, I will wait for it to reopen then. How long has it been running now?
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  • Profile picture of the author BeauJustin
    The content on these videos is beyond exceptional its ease of implementation. Every video is highly actionable, and by the end of the hour it takes to watch and take notes you'll be ready to go.
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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      On Twitter, I told Trey it's one of the best products I've ever bought.

      Now add to the fact that it cost a friggen dollar?

      Man oh man!

      So, find the link someplace and buy it.

      Great info and over delivery as usual.

      Peace
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      • Profile picture of the author sebber
        Harlan is right - loved Physiology of Excellence btw!

        Frank Kern is an incredibly gifted marketer and teaches in a way that is both fun and highly effective...

        He is like that teacher at school whose good results the "serious" teachers didn't understand and kind of resented...

        In other words, he *gets* it.

        None of this HAS to be too serious. I think we all have a tendency to overcomplicate life...

        What I also like about Frank Kern is his honesty. He admits exactly what he is doing every step of the way and that's a pretty rare commodity in IM...

        I think his video series with Trey is simple but very effective. It gets the point across and shows exactly what it is being done...

        It's a blueprint...

        You don't need a dissertation on this and I personally learn better when I'm entertained...
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  • Profile picture of the author markshields
    Frank Kern and his material is absolutely amazing I was very impressed with Mass Control 2.0 the best value for money I have seen in a very long time and I am sure his Screw Google product also is as people on skype have been saying good things about it
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  • Profile picture of the author GautamSaha
    Does this talk about only paid traffic method (PPC?) or free traffic method too?

    12c a click can be costly too, if you end up with lots of clicks, but no sale!!
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  • Forgetting Frank Kern (who we all love to love lol) and focusing on the product itself... which was the original question I believe. I've implemented it and it is bloody easy as hell to set up lol. Took me about 15 minutes to get a campaign up (and I never use pay per click).

    It does what it says on the tin and is a super easy way to drive a whole bunch of traffic... Without bothering with the whole landing page/quality score shenanigans.

    However, just like in Franks video, the clicks I've found do not convert too well. So whether the system is actually good or not I don't know. What I will say is that I picked one of the best converting products in my experience on Clickbank and have only got one sale from over 300 clicks now. I will continue to let the campaign run though and will be sure to report back on any updates in the next couple of days.

    So there's the facts, no bias.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mitch Miller
    Amitywill- That took balls, especially on this forum where Frank is a god.

    The videos are only an hour huh? That makes me wonder why Harlan was watching them for "hours". As he stated he has been doing this for a long time but yet he felt a need to watch them for hours? That sort of has me scratching my head.
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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      Originally Posted by Mitch Miller View Post

      Amitywill- That took balls, especially on this forum where Frank is a god.

      The videos are only an hour huh? That makes me wonder why Harlan was watching them for "hours". As he stated he has been doing this for a long time but yet he felt a need to watch them for hours? That sort of has me scratching my head.
      Secret - not only did I watch them for ours - I've been studying the manual too.

      Every time I follow Frank's advice I make money.

      I have an advantage - I can tell good copy.

      So if the copy on the site has good copy - I'll spend my money.

      I trust my judgment together with what I will learn from Clickbank.

      But in all seriousness, living a life a debauchery costs money.

      Surf boards, beer, and Mexican food all cost money.

      I think everyone should give Frank a dollar.

      He needs the money.
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  • Profile picture of the author maesil
    I have no idea what the past posts say, but let me give you guys some wisdom. Never say anything offensive to Google. Without Google, there wouldn't be a retirement plan to retire on for the infamous "retired internet millionaire." You can look him up on google, he's an awesome guy because he regularly sends email notifications of exactly what to enter into your adwords text fields. Bottom line to all of you, Google reigns supreme!
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    • Profile picture of the author jimzimm
      I have lurked on these forums off and on for quite a long time and I have never posted (don't really know why). I have watched many of Frank Kern's videos and found him to be very funny and entertaining, but have never purchased one of his products. For whatever reason, probably the $1 price, I decided to purchase The Screw Google System, and I have to say that I found it extremely informative and simple to take action on.

      It is true that the videos take less than an hour to go through, but they are very entertaining and informative. I followed the instructions exactly, and had my first campaign implemented in about 45 minutes. The first day my campaign ran, I had one sale, about $25 commission on only $5 in ad spent, about $.15 per click. Another sale the second day with less than $10 ad spent, 2 sales the third day, and one sale already today.

      The system works extremely well and the cost per click can be set very low, I used $.20, and be tweaked depending on the keyword, position, amount of traffic, etc.

      Like anything else, it will take some monitoring to assure that you are targeting buying keywords, setting the CPC properly, confirming that you have good converting product, etc. But, this system definitely works. It may take a few products to find one that converts well, but with the cost of the system ($1), the time needed (very minimal) and the cost associated with marketing the product (extremely low CPC), it is a great value.

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  • Profile picture of the author Marian Berghes
    offtopic:
    No, media buying reigns supreme...google only has a fraction of the internet advertising market.
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      Ok, to the guy who went and bashed the product owner (which will get you banned now), Frank Kern is a marketing genius, and he is honest as well.
      How much of a marketing genius can he be if he has just recently discovered Yahoo ppc?

      Before you go bashing the system, lets first look at the problem - browsers and buyers.

      You either have to do 2 things to make money online: Target Buyers only, OR work on converting browsers into buyers.

      Alot of yahoo searchers are browsers. Not buyers. But, IF you have a powerful business model in place, you can easily convert them into buyers, here is how:

      1. Get a quiz script up that segments browsers by demographics and interests. Show them a dedicated squeeze page (for that demographic). You'll get 30 to 50% opt-in rates immediately.

      2. Then, offer them a "Free Gift" of some sort on the thank you page. It can be a 1 dollar download, or a Free CD in which they pay only shipping and handling.

      3. If the above 2 are done correctly (with the a few simple sales techniques, like giving away a secret inside the thank you page, then saying you have 6 more secrets that you want to give away, they just need to pay shipping and handling) you will have turned a large part of browsers into buyers.

      4. Then you show them an upsell and downsell. These will now convert well (and they can be the original offer you wanted to sell in the first place - an affiliate product, or your own)

      5. If all of the above is done correctly, you can make an easy 100% ROI or higher with Yahoo - I know, because I've used the Frank Kern "screw google" model over and over again, making a LOT of money.

      6. If you want to make it more powerful, add on a continuity section that lasts for 2 or 3 months. Offer a free 2 week trial as a bonus - and this will really racket up sales even more.

      So, before you go bashing the person, be damned sure you know what you are doing on the backend. Obviously, you didn't.

      And no, sending straight to clickbank sales page is stupid for the shear fact that you are NOT sending buyers there immediately.

      How about you instead go back to yahoo, redo your keyword research, and target buyers instead? You'll have more success.

      And I wish people will start changing their attitude - the reason most fail is because the moment something doesn't work IMMEDIATELY for them - they are like "F*** this, it doesn't work - SCAM!"

      Rob
      This is all well and good, but.....wasn't the point of the course that you could send traffic directly to clickbank affiliate products and make sales?

      In this case, although I disagree, I don't think it's fair to slam Amitywill for his views. That's just my two cents, though!
      You're definitely in the minority here. Apparently here, the person who puts out a lame product isn't responsible for the lame product they put out. Not saying this product is lame, just a general observation.
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  • Profile picture of the author frank-kern
    Jim, that rules!

    Amitywill, you have a point. Strangely, you're the first person to say anything about the fact that our initial test campaign didn't yield a profit.

    We expected to hear some concern over it earlier since we've had so many customers.

    And we considered delaying the release of these videos until we could show an immediately profitable campaign. (After all, all we'd have to do is test a gazillion products and then only show the winners.)

    However, we thought it would be SUPER LAME to *only* film/show winning campaigns.

    The fact of the matter is this: When you're testing affiliate products with PPC, you're not always profitable right out of the gate. In fact, I've never met a single person who is *instantly* profitable when promoting affiliate products via PPC.

    Sometimes, you promote a product that doesn't convert and you move on. No big deal if you're monitoring the campaigns.

    Sometimes you have some keywords that convert and you have others that are eating up your profits so you cut them off. This is the most common scenario.

    What we show in the videos is REALITY.

    If we'd edited out the duds and made it look like our first promotion out of the gate was a winner, we'd set up customer expectations that their first promo out of the gate should be a winner.

    And while I hope that the first campaign everyone sets up is immediately profitable (like Jim's), I know that's not often the case. You usually have to trim the fat.

    So to set up a false expectation that the very first campaign is going to be a winner would (IMO) be a grave disservice to the customer.

    And the reason I believe this is because they would likely say, "Damn! My first promo didn't convert. I must be doing something wrong. I quit!"

    ...When in reality, they just needed to test another one. Or they simply need to trim the dud keywords and only run the ones that convert.

    So that's my side of the coin on this issue.

    Also, we *did* get a sale on the new product we switched to.

    And we're testing other ones that are converting as well.

    In fact, I just shot an update video about it and am uploading that today (for any customers who are interested.)

    Thanks for the feedback everyone.

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    • Profile picture of the author Amitywill
      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      Good stuff Frank, solid advice.

      No one should give up in one bout just because it fails - this stuff takes time and Frank is HONEST enough to show you that not all stuff converts!

      Rob
      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      Frank Kern is a marketing genius, and he is honest as well.
      Frank, I think you should hire this guy for your personal pr lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author sebber
        What was valuable here:

        - Trey and Frank showed me SOME new ways to hone in on Keywords

        - Ways to bolster keyword research

        - Quirky banter: makes learning easier and more fun.

        - Integrity: I'm a bit jaded with all the "I made $18,423 in 12 hours using a 56k internet connection and living off tinned ham!!!" hype. This video was, I felt, very honest and realistic....

        I don't think anyone should be banned on any forum for providing a controversial point of view. It's a forum, after all. I think everyone is entitled to their opinion, as long as it's well-stated and not just idiotic bashing. In this case, although I disagree, I don't think it's fair to slam Amitywill for his views. That's just my two cents, though!

        Back on point: I think you can learn a lot from people's mistakes and their successes, as there will be clues all over the place.

        Too much is left out in many other marketing materials but, as far as I'm concerned, Frank Kern is happy to admit his mistakes and show where he could have improved things. That seems to be his thing, though.

        He makes mad cash, apparently, so doesn't need to pretend he's the second coming...

        I don't kiss ass, by the way. I just think it's fair to give credit where it's due...
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  • Profile picture of the author Amitywill
    And yes I've just noticed the big sign up the top. So I probably will get banned.

    I didn't really mean to slag of Frank even though it seems that way. However
    I see the product has flaws and to me it seems unfinished. If it wasn't for the
    ending then the product would have been very good.

    Frank says at the end that the product didn't convert but another one might.

    If he had gone a little bit further with the videos and tested another product
    and proved it works then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

    Will
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    Got it. Going through the stuff. I love it. I don't know what it is, personality or something, but I can sit through Frank's presentations while I can't sit through the same type of presentation from other people.

    It may be basic to you, or it may be revolutionary, it depends on where you are at.

    What I really enjoy is the sales process. If you pay attention to how you were enticed to buy the thing you can learn tons.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
      Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

      Got it. Going through the stuff. I love it. I don't know what it is, personality or something, but I can sit through Frank's presentations while I can't sit through the same type of presentation from other people.

      It may be basic to you, or it may be revolutionary, it depends on where you are at.

      What I really enjoy is the sales process. If you pay attention to how you were enticed to buy the thing you can learn tons.
      If you listen really really really closely I believe he has "Iron Maiden" music playing in the background very softly. I think that is the secret technique that makes people go nuts.
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    • Profile picture of the author drdennisclark
      TOPIC 1: THE SCREW GOOGLE STRATEGY

      Frank and Trey are pretty cool, aren't they? I took them up on the $1 Screw Google offer last night and got started right away. About midnight (not the best time to work error-free) either I encountered a real glitch or Tracking202 has done something very different than F&T described. They require a subscription to make Stats202 work, with a 7-day free trial. OK, I was too far in at that time to chuck it, so I went ahead and subscribed. However, the Stats202 page then came up with an error and a statement that they have been working to fix it since Aug. 15. Stopped me dead in my tracks.

      The important point of the Screw Google strategy is to track, improve, save money, improve, make more money, improve, ... you get the picture. If any of you folks have figured out a way to accomplish this in spite of Stats202 not working yet (e.g., not able to enter my postback url), please share it here. I'd love to get this baby cranking!

      Frank/Trey...is this my doing, or is it real? Any suggestions?

      TOPIC 2: FRANK KERN

      Great personality, fun guy, maybe a future Oscar winner. The most important thing that I see running through all the threads about Frank is that he is predominantly a giving person. I recognize it as the key to his success. Givers gain. The universe provides. It says so in the bible, somewhere.

      If I was to pretend to be a marketing guru (since I'm not), the first thing that I would teach all of my adoring hordes is the value of giving. That is the core value shared by all of humanity. Thanks, Frank! (Credit for this trait has to go to someone who brought you up, so please thank your mom for me, too. Really. Tell her someone noticed her handiwork.)

      BTW, I'll see your email address, Frank, and raise you a cell phone number:

      dennis [at] drdennisclark [dot] com
      602 [dash] 908 [dash] 8520

      In the immortal words of Eeyore, "Thanks for noticin' me."

      Dennis
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  • Profile picture of the author treysmith
    Hey dude, check out the next video module... module 5.1 I believe.

    We show you how to get around the stats202 problem (and without having to pay
    them anything).
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  • Profile picture of the author treysmith
    Ok Dennis, I just looked in there... There are two videos for Module 5, make sure you watch the one on the bottom too.

    Thanks,

    Trey
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  • Profile picture of the author drdennisclark
    Thanksabunch, Trey. I was feeling soooooo silly, and maybe a little persecuted. Cooler heads have prevailed (yours), and I also got a little direction from the folks at Tracking202. ow all is one with the universe. Back to Yahoo for the grand finale!

    More later,
    Dennis
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  • Profile picture of the author shownuff
    I tell you what. Using this screw google method I made my first clickbank sale ! And I ran into that Tracking202 issue as well. Will have to check out the new vids.The biggest thing I've learned so far is keyword research. I was just lazy with it. I spent the most time doing just that. Now it's just getting better with ads. He aint lying. I was able to get down to .13 clicks.

    Trey gave some good tips on finding different keywords. And yeah it's easy to watch Franks videos than others. I've pruned my subscription list to about 5. And he is in that group.

    One last thing. There may be something to yahoo and bing. I work in the cable industry and go to many homes. Guess what is the home page on many of those shiny new laptops and computers. MSN/Bing including the search bar. Just food for thought.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ineta
    Hi,
    I came accross this discussion looking for ways to get my hands on that $1 baby. I really want it, but without a credit card it's a bit tough to do it. I left a comment on the blog, but without a response to it. Now I see that Frank is freequenting this page, so I might be in luck.
    Frank, Trey, I do not want to bother you through personal email that's been put out here, but is there any chance of you setting up a paypal payment option for the likes of me? I am on your list and getting updates, but there is no way I can give you the money before actually earning enough to be given a credit card. I am not moaning, and I'm on my way up. Yet I think your knowledge could propell me a bit faster, hence the entry here...
    Thanks guys
    Ineta
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  • Profile picture of the author frank-kern
    Shownuff: Congrats on your first sale. That's awesome!

    Ineta: Sorry about not taking PayPal. We haven't been able to integrate it with our membership/support system so that's why we don't use it. Nothing against PayPal.

    Dr.DennisClark: Glad you got the Tracking202 and Stats202 thing sorted. Stats202 was free for a straight year and then they started charging for it like 2 days after we released our course.

    Doh!

    But as you've noticed, we found an easy way around it so all's well :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author 2PercentPlan
    Frank you simply rock and so does Trey. Both of you are excellent teachers! I got my campaign up and running in about an hour. We have our cpc at .10. Even if some of my campaigns tank, no worries when you are taught from the best.

    You guys are so masterfully brilliant that most people have no idea of the bigger picture that is going on. I say screw the naysayers as they were not going to stay customers long anyway.

    Informillionaire, screw google and mass control have been my complete online education and I for one am very appreciative of it. Tracking202 gives you the exact keyword that makes you sales and you can't get any better than that.

    Thanks Trey/Frank for providing internet marketing education, you truly are making a difference for many people online.
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    • Profile picture of the author jimzimm
      Since I posted on this thread earlier, I thought I would give an update.

      After my original post, my campaign has continued to be profitable. I have used the information from Stats202 to tweak the campaign. The non-converting keywords have been removed, and I have actually upped my bid on the converting keywords to increase my traffic. The results have been very good, I am averaging 2 to 3 sales per day, my CPC has gone up slightly, but my overall cost has remained consistent because I am concentrating on my keywords that convert. The conversions and ROI are fantastic, with my commission at approximately $25 per sale, I am getting between $50 and $75 per day and my ad costs are averaging $10 to $15.

      I am now in the process of starting a new campaign, just got it up and running yesterday. I have decided that about 250 clicks is a good test, and with CPC so low, on this campaign it looks like $.10 will get me quite a few clicks, I can test a market in less than a week for about $25.

      One last note. I was watching Frank's last video and, much to my surprise, there I am being referenced by the great Frank Kern (sigh). So that brings me to my question, in the future, when I release my first product, Frank, will you appear in one of my videos?

      Thanks Frank and Trey for a great system and education, all for $1.

      Jim Zimmermann
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  • Profile picture of the author thenextlevel
    How do I find the screw google program? A google search turned up nothing for me. Anyone have a link or something? Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
      Originally Posted by thenextlevel View Post

      How do I find the screw google program? A google search turned up nothing for me. Anyone have a link or something? Thanks!
      If you go to Frank Kern's blog here:

      http://masscontrolsite.com/blog/

      Then click the link under the video it takes you to the site.
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  • Profile picture of the author thenextlevel
    Thanks oneplusone!
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    • Profile picture of the author ShaneBoyd
      I bought the Screw Google about a week ago. It really takes you back to basics.

      As some of the other Gurus have said.."It's like Google Adwords but 5 years ago".

      Lately there's been so much scuttlebutt about how to follow google's algorithms and nobody really gets it anyway. Maybe some of the seasoned vets do, but most of us don't.

      And really, so many products just show you how to kiss butt to google. Google got weird on us.

      So Frank and Trey just said the hell with ya, I'm going elsewhere. Cool.

      The Screw Google method really is dead easy. The videos are very simple to follow and you'll have ad programs up real quick. Just off the cuff, I think it's more for beginners.

      Let's face it. The gurus know all about yahoo's ppc and they already have their own product. Well, the screw google product teaches both things.

      My only complaint was this. The tracking system they show you how to use is now a PAID service. So don't expect to track your ads with it unless you want to spend $27 a month. The name of the tracking software slips my mind now, but you'll see it in the vids.

      The product came at just the right time. Right after Google got all pissy about affiliates and giving us a hard time. So I was very happy with it. It's one of the 3 products I currenty use daily.

      The other 2 are Money Siphon and Commission Ritual.

      Just one more thing, if Frank or Trey ever read this post I'd really like to say..."thanks for showing me how to be an internet entrepreneur without being such a boring ass stick in the mud. so many other coaches just seem so friggin dull and it makes the product seem dull as well. yours isn't that way at all. now I can do product research for hours and actually have a good time doing it. Thanks"

      Shane
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      • Profile picture of the author jimzimm
        Shane,

        Just want to clarify one thing from your post, the tracking system that is used in The Screw Google System did go to paid when Frank and Trey released the program. But, there is a workaround and a video was added to the back office. You can still track all of your campaigns very effectively for $0 cost.

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        • Profile picture of the author Bullett
          Does anyone know what's coming up in this months INFOMARKETING MONTHLY? Paid the dollar to join up...just paid my first $97...wondering what frank and trey will be doing if anyone's heard anything.
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        • Profile picture of the author quickregister
          Ok I paid the $1. to find out Frank Kern's "secret traffic system." Ok no big secret it is Yahoo Search Marketing. I have been experimenting with Yahoo search marketing but found that it converted less than Adwords for the same campaign. The problem is that Google will slap you silly. One moment your campaigns are going great the next moment you have to pay $50 per click for obscure keywords. I like when Google tells you that your quality score is low. You can have a blog about dog food, bid on the term dog food, and Google says your site is not relevant. Yahoo is much easier to deal with. They are much more straight forward.

          Kern mentions to keep the content network box unchecked. He says that this traffic converts less. I had it checked on my campaigns. He also recommends to track keywords to see which ones are converting to sales. I had not done this. Perhaps using these two techniques would put my campaigns over the top.

          I cancelled and did not pay the $97. per month. There is lots of good info in there but I already had plenty to work on. To his credit they cancelled and sent me confirmation.

          I did a review of the system on my blog here.
          Review of Frank Kern's Screw Google System

          I would be interested in any stories of people who thoroughly tested his techniques. Case studies. Good luck. Matt
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  • Profile picture of the author treysmith
    Thanks Shane... We're actually about to launch a new show within the Members area
    called "The Frank and Trey Show"... It should be really fun. We start shooting early
    next week.

    By the way... you don't have to pay for the tracking. They DID start charging for the
    "stats202" portion, but we updated module 5 with a new video showing you how to
    check stats for free.

    I'm actually about to redo module five (make it one video instead of two) to avoid
    confusion.

    Thanks, and glad you all are enjoying it!

    Trey
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    • Profile picture of the author shorwood
      Originally Posted by treysmith View Post

      Thanks Shane... We're actually about to launch a new show within the Members area
      called "The Frank and Trey Show"... It should be really fun. We start shooting early
      next week.
      Seriously? I just cancelled my monthly subscription (and apparently when you cancel the monthly membership you lose access to everything, even the Screw Google videos, which I didn't realize when I cancelled). I would've kept it though if I had known you guys were going to do a show.

      Shawn
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  • Profile picture of the author lonestar6
    I also purchased infomillionaire package
    i kept my monthly subscription untlil
    frank decided to make it digital instead
    of recieving it in the mail every month
    I cancelled my subscripion with no problems
    Great people to deal with.
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  • Profile picture of the author treysmith
    FYI guys... the new Module 5 video (about tracking) is updated.

    Thanks,

    Trey
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    • Profile picture of the author Code64
      Trey,
      what's coming up this month in INFO MARKETING MONTHLY?
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  • Profile picture of the author kirby
    Trey/Frank,

    In your SG videos, you mention for your Government Record Sites, that you setup campaigns for ALL 50 STATES.

    I know that Frank also did that with his Dog Business, i.e., setup campaigns for all the various dog breeds.

    What program are you using to create all those campaigns? It can't be by hand as that would take you forever!

    If you could share what it is you're using to basically duplicate successful campaigns like this, that'd be cool.

    Thanks.

    Kirby
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  • Profile picture of the author treysmith
    Code64: We're updating constantly (3 new videos and 2 new blog post per week). All
    kinds of different stuff in the works.

    Kirby: Actually that was totally done by hand (our staff, not us personally). But the
    easiest way to do it is use Adwords Editor to make/clone campaigns, then upload into
    Yahoo.
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    • Profile picture of the author Code64
      Originally Posted by treysmith View Post

      Code64: We're updating constantly (3 new videos and 2 new blog post per week). All
      kinds of different stuff in the works.

      Trey,
      I mean "cool stuff" that is worth $97 / month. Not just some videos about how
      to log into Clickbank analytics etc., the difference between advanced and standard
      search in yahoo etc. Screw Google was good, but you should come up with some
      similar stuff each month to justify $97 / month for the membership. I don't see the
      logic to suck people into the membership for a $1 trial and then don't follow up with
      meaty stuff to keep them in.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Hubbard
    @Kirby, It's probably SpeedPPC. That tool is pretty amazing for doing that sort of thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author kirby
    @treysmith,

    What tool was it that Jeff Johnson created that allowed you guys to automate a lot of this type of thing with blogs, content, etc., to help build that WIDE domination in a niche?

    @chris hubbard,

    Thanks dude. I'm aware of that tool also. Never used it though due to it's entry price point.

    Kirby
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  • Profile picture of the author shorwood
    @kirby

    Jeff Johnson's software is Traffic Equalizer I believe. (If not it's one of the "Equalizer" products of his)

    Shawn
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
    I'm one of those slow starters who's read a lot about marketing (for years) but not followed through to create results (yet).

    I've got a miserably ailing computer, (5-10 minutes to open a new browser window is common-I spend more time cursing the little hourglass than actually doing work), and very little money left before I have to go back to hauling shipping containers and trailers-I'm a bit freaked out.

    With the ultra-slow computer, no previous success references, and the tendency to flit from one "make $10K per month!" method to another (due to self-doubt kicking in once the first problem rears it's head), any guru has their work cut out helping me create success!

    Frank and Trey are helping me change that, as their stuff seems very actionable, and the Screw Google method has introduced me to a lot of cool tools and techniques I can use right now (even though I'm worried about blowing the rest of my cash on clicks before finding a profitable campaign). It's taking me days to do what others report doing in an hour, but I really feel upbeat about this.

    Trey and Frank do a great job of taking the intimidation/confusion factor out of it. Until now I've been overwhelmed by the variety of tasks, methods, and conflicting viewpoints between profits and me, and I recognize that as the vicious cycle of fear and self-doubt described in the Kern/Reese/Robbins interview.

    So far I've got about 1000 keywords (I think), and I'm going to try to finish getting my first campaign up and running tommorrow. I'm a bit scared about spending the money to test, especially if the first one flops, but I'm excited too, and I think I can make this work.

    The guidance they give is detailed and doable, and combined with the great encouragement I got from the Robbins interview, it seems like exactly what I needed.

    So this is all to say, I owe these guys a huge thank you for giving me awesome guidance and encouragement at a time when I really need it-for a buck!-absurd generosity!

    My breakthrough (if you saw the Kern, Reese, Robbins video, you know what I mean; if not, check it out- Interview with Frank Kern and John Reese) will be when I make my first $1500 over expenses, so I can go out and buy a new computer-then there's no going back!
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  • Profile picture of the author silverbax
    Okay, I've always enjoyed Frank Kern's stuff, but I just don't see the $97 per month price point. As for the Clickbank videos and Screw Google, there wasn't anything new, at least not for me. I mean, honestly, $1,200 a year is way too much for the content provided. I want to like the product, but honestly, I already have online businesses and offline businesses that aren't in a 'making money niche', and for this price point I'd be looking for a lot more than basic introductory IM information. I'd want to see actual traffic numbers, conversion rates, traffic sources, etc. Something I can actually justify paying for.
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  • Profile picture of the author jodyjelas
    Hey guys

    I paid the $1 and in my first week of doing my first (and only so far) screw google campaign I spent $7 on clicks and sold 1 product (which was $66) so....

    HULLLLLOOOOOO $59 profit in my first week....

    Guess what I'm spending my time doing each day now!!!!!

    I'm due to have my second baby so passive income from this is EXACTLY what I need.

    I'm dancing on the tables right now!!!

    What I want to know next is a place where I can discuss the TYPES of products others are selling successfully with this process Anyone know a good forum with POSITIVE feedback!

    It really works. Try it!
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  • Profile picture of the author maveric
    OT:
    Anti-google confession: Sometimes when I don't want big brother google staring over my shoulder, I use a site called scroogle [dot] ORG (.com is a different kind of site- read porn). They strip google search results while keeping your info private. They also offer some chuckle-worthy satire on our favorite world super power... Lately though I've been using startpage- much more google-like search there and they use a combined search like dogpile.

    Anyway, thanks to everyone who wrote reviews... helped me a bunch.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneJohnston
    I just picked up "Screw Google" yesterday from Frank & Trey. Love the entertaining style - it keeps a ADD guy like me tuned in.

    Actually watched the whole thing (including the Frank & Trey Show video). Started a campaign last night & got 1183 impressions with 10 clickthru's on keywords that I probably shouldnt have used anyway.

    Some keywords that I should have been getting impressions on, I didnt because bid was too low.

    Today I'm "tweaning" (Trey's words, not mine) my keywords to see if I can get some conversions.

    I think the "Screw Google" stuff is brilliant and I definitely plan to keep my membership going for Info Marketing Monthly!

    Hopefully we'll see The Frank & Trey Show Part Deux soon! Its worth the price of admission just for the entertainment value.

    ...Shane
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  • Profile picture of the author Universal_Soul
    I had no probs with Infomillionaire, but for some reason have problems cancelling Infomillion. It's probably caused by me not knowing the simple way to do this and submitting support ticket instead of hitting some obvious button.

    Besides that - everything is good with theese guys, and I take it is an exeption.

    I'm basically not too interested in IM as such anymore and at the moment signing out and cancelling everything I can. This is why there is some sort of bad karma between me and everything im related. so be it. hopefully soon i'll be withdrown from infomillion.hub.

    Thanks

    JJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Desmond Ong
    I raised some of my niche marketing sites' sales by about 20% more just by using the Screw Google method. Not brilliant, but well, that's pretty cool for just "trying" it out.

    Anyway Trey, can we see more of Andy on the Frank & Trey show? (I bet he can do some stunts or whatever)
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  • Profile picture of the author Universal_Soul
    Sorry - but anyone knows how to cancel this thing? Any help will be appreciated.

    It's been three working days now and still no answer. I didn't really want to do this here - but am forced to, as there seems to be no other way to get to helpdesk at screw google
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    • Profile picture of the author Code64
      Originally Posted by Universal_Soul View Post

      Sorry - but anyone knows how to cancel this thing? Any help will be appreciated.

      It's been three working days now and still no answer. I didn't really want to do this here - but am forced to, as there seems to be no other way to get to helpdesk at screw google

      Send an email to Frank: superbadkern at gmail.com

      Support is very slow.
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  • Profile picture of the author Universal_Soul
    Thank you for your help
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  • Profile picture of the author Waldo Claassen
    Infomillionaire 2 looks pretty good.
    I did learn loads from the 1st Informillionaire when it came out so I will look into getting this at some stage.

    Waldo
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  • Profile picture of the author thetechguy
    After studying Screw Google I was puzzled that Frank Kern only demonstrated a campaign (Speak Spanish) that made no money. In his sales literature he claimed that he tested over 400 products before releasing the program. He should have had at least one campaign make a dollar or two. Now I am wondering if Kern is pumping his ego by selling products to customers even after he tells them it does not make money. Remember the old comment by PT Barnum about a sucker being born every minute. I am not skeptical or anti Kern, in fact I like the guy and give him great credit for what he has accomplished. I think Kern should come out with the examples of winners using this method. This would help eliminate the PT Barnum theory. Please Frank help us out here and prove old PT wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author Wednesday
      Ok... Anthony Robbins sent me....

      Well, I found the videos to be quite actionable. I put my money out there tonight to try and generate something for my CPU guru , unemployed arse.

      Hopefully it pays... I do have a few things I'll point out for the makers of this series.

      I was having trouble ordering using Googles browser Chrome... Was that to go with the 'screw google' theme? I doubt it, it would be bad business...

      Two, there was a delay in receiving my login that was a little disconcerting. Had I not come in from Anthony Robbins site I would have been afraid I was scammed and canceled instantly. I did send an email to support that was AFTER I tried to dial the 1-877 number that apparently is out of service....

      Last but not least. I am not sure if it is a browser problem but I lost sound during parts of module 3

      Other than that I hope after 14 days I do better than the Spanish example...
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  • Profile picture of the author Universal_Soul
    Just wanted to let you know - there was just some delay in support. Everything is resolved now - Frank replied after 43 minutes and it was sorted on the same day

    JJ
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  • Profile picture of the author LittleMike
    I took the dollar trial, but I don't think I will be staying on as a member. I don't want to reveal too much for Frank and Trey's sake, but in short:

    The lessons are immediately actionable, simple to understand, and easy to apply.

    They will also allow you to go flat broke in no time flat. Yes, you can mitigate/prevent this from happening, but honestly the techniques in here are not new by far, and will not make you money. Okay, I shouldn't say not, I should say that they are not a good way to make you money. They are a good way to SPEND money.

    Ever hear the expression "Throw it all at the wall and see what sticks?" (Or some variation thereof)

    That's the Screw Google Method. And it is a good way to get yourself bankrupt in a hurry.

    Sorry guys, I'm just not feeling it.

    One good thing I will say, though is the tracking solution is top notch. Now THAT was something great that I learned from the program. Aside from that. Nope. Just another way to dump money.

    Could you make money using their methods? Surely! But let me tell you it is a lot easier to LOSE money with their methods than it is to gain. It's kind of like betting on the horses. Sure you might get lucky and have a huge payout, but there's a reason the betting tracks are in business - because more often than not, you don't.

    Just my two cents, take it for what it's worth.

    -Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author Code64
      Originally Posted by LittleMike View Post


      Ever hear the expression "Throw it all at the wall and see what sticks?" (Or some variation thereof)

      That's the Screw Google Method. And it is a good way to get yourself bankrupt in a hurry.

      -Mike
      Absolutely. No strategy or business plan at all.
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      • Profile picture of the author veotis
        Originally Posted by LittleMike View Post

        I took the dollar trial, but I don't think I will be staying on as a member. I don't want to reveal too much for Frank and Trey's sake, but in short:

        The lessons are immediately actionable, simple to understand, and easy to apply.

        They will also allow you to go flat broke in no time flat. Yes, you can mitigate/prevent this from happening, but honestly the techniques in here are not new by far, and will not make you money. Okay, I shouldn't say not, I should say that they are not a good way to make you money. They are a good way to SPEND money.

        Ever hear the expression "Throw it all at the wall and see what sticks?" (Or some variation thereof)

        That's the Screw Google Method. And it is a good way to get yourself bankrupt in a hurry.

        Sorry guys, I'm just not feeling it.

        One good thing I will say, though is the tracking solution is top notch. Now THAT was something great that I learned from the program. Aside from that. Nope. Just another way to dump money.

        Could you make money using their methods? Surely! But let me tell you it is a lot easier to LOSE money with their methods than it is to gain. It's kind of like betting on the horses. Sure you might get lucky and have a huge payout, but there's a reason the betting tracks are in business - because more often than not, you don't.

        Just my two cents, take it for what it's worth.

        -Mike
        I believe anything involving PPC is a gamble. Obviously, Google, Yahoo, MSN, etc. all are like the "horse tracks", they take in more money than they shell out...nothing new there. But really, Mike, isn't all PPC about finding the right offers that convert and make you some money? Don't you have to test, test, and then test again to find what works? I mean, if everyone listened to what you wrote, nobody would ever make any money using PPC. So, respectively, you can keep your two cents.

        Originally Posted by Code64 View Post

        Absolutely. No strategy or business plan at all.
        I don't remember seeing anywhere that Frank promised to help you develop a business plan. He did give you a strategy, though. And, as Harlan stated way back at the beginning of this thread, it is a simple strategy. I've implemented it, and I have a few profitable campaigns running at this moment, as have a few others that have posted on this thread. It's all about testing and weeding out the campaigns that don't work. Pretty simple strategy, if you ask me..
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        • Profile picture of the author LittleMike
          Originally Posted by veotis View Post

          I believe anything involving PPC is a gamble. Obviously, Google, Yahoo, MSN, etc. all are like the "horse tracks", they take in more money than they shell out...nothing new there. But really, Mike, isn't all PPC about finding the right offers that convert and make you some money? Don't you have to test, test, and then test again to find what works? I mean, if everyone listened to what you wrote, nobody would ever make any money using PPC. So, respectively, you can keep your two cents.



          I don't remember seeing anywhere that Frank promised to help you develop a business plan. He did give you a strategy, though. And, as Harlan stated way back at the beginning of this thread, it is a simple strategy. I've implemented it, and I have a few profitable campaigns running at this moment, as have a few others that have posted on this thread. It's all about testing and weeding out the campaigns that don't work. Pretty simple strategy, if you ask me..
          Just because you say respectively doesn't mean you're being so. Now to answer your question, yes, PPC is most certainly about finding the right offers that convert. That usually means that you work smarter, not harder. Out of respect for Frank and Trey, I really can't discuss what they teach you exactly, but I *can* tell you that it is a very dangerous strategy that is more likely to make you LOSE money than GAIN money.

          This post is supposed to be about how people felt about Screw Google, right? Well I personally don't think it's worth the $97/month asking fee. If you bought it and have a differing opinion, by all means, then post your opinion. But just because your opinion may differ from mine does not make mine any less legitimate.

          The whole point is that there are a ton of ways to do PPC effectively and/or efficiently. This can be done effectively, sure. You can make money off this method. You have working campaigns, as do I. But this is NOT an efficient method. This is a very risky method. More than PPC has to be. So if people want to buy it and try it out for themselves like I did, I'm not trying to stop them. But I am trying to give them a little more info than "I use it, it works" so that people won't come posting in here saying they lost their shirt, wondering why no one told them how risky this method is. Isn't that fair?

          And as far as the horse track analogy goes - every business is in business to make money. Horse tracks bank on the fact that the odds are in their favor just like casinos do. PPC is not supposed to be that way. That was my point. You're taking a risk using this method when there are other methods out there for using PPC that you don't have to risk as much on.
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          • Profile picture of the author jimzimm
            Little Mike,

            I am a little bit confused by your posts. You keep talking about how much money that can, and will, be lost by using what is taught in the Screw Google method. I find that curious as one of the main points in the course is learning how to test a market for very little money. I can use what I have learned in Screw Google to completely test a market for no more than $50. I know that everyone has a different perspective on what "a lot" of money is, but I don't think that in scheme of internet marketing, losing $50 can be referred to as a way to "go flat broke".

            As you say, everyone is welcome to their opinion, and I think it is helpful to the forum to have different opinions stated and let the reader decide what they want to do. I personally have learned what I think is a simple, and relatively safe method. I have had success with my first campaign and now I am expanding my marketing of that product. I have also had a campaign that I determined was a failure, which in my book that was getting almost 300 clicks to my sales page, 0 sales, at a cost of less than $50.

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            • Profile picture of the author LittleMike
              Originally Posted by jimzimm View Post

              Little Mike,

              I am a little bit confused by your posts. You keep talking about how much money that can, and will, be lost by using what is taught in the Screw Google method. I find that curious as one of the main points in the course is learning how to test a market for very little money. I can use what I have learned in Screw Google to completely test a market for no more than $50. I know that everyone has a different perspective on what "a lot" of money is, but I don't think that in scheme of internet marketing, losing $50 can be referred to as a way to "go flat broke".

              As you say, everyone is welcome to their opinion, and I think it is helpful to the forum to have different opinions stated and let the reader decide what they want to do. I personally have learned what I think is a simple, and relatively safe method. I have had success with my first campaign and now I am expanding my marketing of that product. I have also had a campaign that I determined was a failure, which in my book that was getting almost 300 clicks to my sales page, 0 sales, at a cost of less than $50.

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              Hey Jim,

              Well you're right in that a lot is relative. I'll explain - this product is really directed towards newbies (though more experienced marketers can enjoy it too, they say). So $50 to someone who's new and trying to get into IM because they're up to their nose in debt, etc, is a lot of money. Here's the other thing. Without getting into too many particulars, the "delay" on stats can double your spending. Because you can set a daily limit of say $50 (which would be $1500 at the end of the month), that $50 spend can wind up being $100 before you figure out that you don't have any actual conversions. Not only that, but if you follow Frank and Trey's lead and you set up the campaign and don't touch it for 12 days, that's $600!

              You see what I'm getting at? You have to be *very* careful using this method. If you want to PM me, I'll go more into details being that you've purchased this, so I can discuss it without revealing the methods here. I have a lot of respect for Kern and his cousin. I just don't think this is a good method, and I certainly don't think it's worth $97/month.
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              • Profile picture of the author Keegahn
                WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA... risks? When building a business? OMGWTF!

                +1 to whole "Frank and Trey don't control your money" deal.

                You just have to use that thing between your ears and risk or leverage what you can afford...

                ... just like every other kind of business.
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                • Profile picture of the author LittleMike
                  Originally Posted by Keegahn View Post

                  WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA... risks? When building a business? OMGWTF!

                  +1 to whole "Frank and Trey don't control your money" deal.

                  You just have to use that thing between your ears and risk or leverage what you can afford...

                  ... just like every other kind of business.
                  Keegahn you're missing the point. How many newbies actually treat IM like a business instead of a hobby? "Make $10,000 in 3 hours in your pajamas!" "Use these tactics to generate an extra income stream or to quit your job!"

                  People that are new think that they can just buy the ebook, follow the directions and make tons of money. Especially when dealing with something like PPC, you have to do it right or it can cost you a ton of money. Personally I think that all paid methods of traffic should only be done by those with more experience, but that's just me. Fact is, this product is geared towards newbies, though.
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                • Profile picture of the author veotis
                  Originally Posted by shorwood View Post

                  Who says you have to set it up for $50/day? If you're in debt and think $50 is a lot then you won't be setting your budget at $50/day, and you definitely won't be leaving it for 12 days. If you are that much in debt and you think that $50 is a lot of money, then you're just not going to set it up like that.

                  And they don't tell you to set it up like that. They tell you to set the budget at what you feel comfortable with. So if you're flat broke and in debt, then you may set it at $5/day, and you'll watch it like crazy to make sure you're not blowing all your money.

                  If you are in that situation and you set it at $50/day and you walk away for two weeks then it's your own fault that you have no money! It's not the Frank's or Trey's or Screw Google's, it's YOURS.

                  So don't blame it on the system. You choose to blow your money, not Frank or Trey. Sure, they don't put a limit on their campaign and they walk away for almost 2 weeks, but that doesn't mean you have to! They admit they have more money to spend and that you don't have to do that.

                  So stop saying the system is going to make people go broke. The system isn't going to make people go broke. People are going to make themselves go flat broke.
                  Originally Posted by Keegahn View Post

                  WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA... risks? When building a business? OMGWTF!

                  +1 to whole "Frank and Trey don't control your money" deal.

                  You just have to use that thing between your ears and risk or leverage what you can afford...

                  ... just like every other kind of business.
                  Exactly, fellas! I couldn't agree more. It's called personal responsibility.
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          • Profile picture of the author veotis
            Originally Posted by LittleMike View Post

            Just because you say respectively doesn't mean you're being so. Now to answer your question, yes, PPC is most certainly about finding the right offers that convert. That usually means that you work smarter, not harder. Out of respect for Frank and Trey, I really can't discuss what they teach you exactly, but I *can* tell you that it is a very dangerous strategy that is more likely to make you LOSE money than GAIN money.
            I did mean it respectively, haven't you ever heard of respectively disagreeing? There is nothing special about the strategy differing from the way you would do PPC with Google. How many times do you see Google ads directly linking to an affiliate product? They are there, and they are being done profitably. You do small tests, as is suggested by every adwords course I've ever seen, and weed out the non performing campaigns. There is no way you can tell if something is gonna work until you test it, there just isn't a guarantee.

            This post is supposed to be about how people felt about Screw Google, right? Well I personally don't think it's worth the $97/month asking fee. If you bought it and have a differing opinion, by all means, then post your opinion. But just because your opinion may differ from mine does not make mine any less legitimate.
            You don't have to pay $97 a month, all he was asking was $1. You are *FREE* to cancel before you are charged $97 for the next month. I didn't say your opinion was not legitimate, I just disagreed with you. Chill out....And, I posted my opinion, I'm MAKING money using the strategy. There are so many affiliate products to promote this way that you don't just have to use Clickbank. Adapt it to fit what you like, as I like promoting CPA offers.

            The whole point is that there are a ton of ways to do PPC effectively and/or efficiently. This can be done effectively, sure. You can make money off this method. You have working campaigns, as do I. But this is NOT an efficient method. This is a very risky method. More than PPC has to be. So if people want to buy it and try it out for themselves like I did, I'm not trying to stop them. But I am trying to give them a little more info than "I use it, it works" so that people won't come posting in here saying they lost their shirt, wondering why no one told them how risky this method is. Isn't that fair?
            Why is it so risky? No one is implying you to take out a second mortgage on your house to fund this. Every PPC marketer has lost some money testing offers to find the ones that work. Every single PPC marketer! If you're not willing to lose some money up front, then this business is definitely not for you.

            And as far as the horse track analogy goes - every business is in business to make money. Horse tracks bank on the fact that the odds are in their favor just like casinos do. PPC is not supposed to be that way. That was my point. You're taking a risk using this method when there are other methods out there for using PPC that you don't have to risk as much on.
            Google, Yahoo, MSN, they are all in the business to make money, too. You keep singing about taking a risk on this as though you're spending tens of thousands of dollars testing this stuff. Small testing is what I've been doing, and when I've found a winner, I ramp it up.

            Look dude, everything involved with PPC has some risks. I'm done with this. I'm sorry this hasn't worked for you, but I'm going to go set up some more test campaigns (on Google, Yahoo & MSN) so I can find me some more winners.
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            • Profile picture of the author LittleMike
              Originally Posted by veotis View Post

              I did mean it respectively, haven't you ever heard of respectively disagreeing? There is nothing special about the strategy differing from the way you would do PPC with Google. How many times do you see Google ads directly linking to an affiliate product? They are there, and they are being done profitably. You do small tests, as is suggested by every adwords course I've ever seen, and weed out the non performing campaigns. There is no way you can tell if something is gonna work until you test it, there just isn't a guarantee.
              Then I apologize. Usually when someone says your opinion is wrong and you can keep your two cents, it's not meant in a respectful way. If you were merely disagreeing, then I am sorry I took it that way.


              Originally Posted by veotis View Post

              You don't have to pay $97 a month, all he was asking was $1. You are *FREE* to cancel before you are charged $97 for the next month. I didn't say your opinion was not legitimate, I just disagreed with you. Chill out....And, I posted my opinion, I'm MAKING money using the strategy. There are so many affiliate products to promote this way that you don't just have to use Clickbank. Adapt it to fit what you like, as I like promoting CPA offers.
              Yes, you can take the free trial, but isn't the whole point for Frank and Trey to get you to stay? It's definitely worth the $1 trial, but it's not worth the $97/month. That's all I said. I thought that was clear.

              Originally Posted by veotis View Post

              Why is it so risky? No one is implying you to take out a second mortgage on your house to fund this. Every PPC marketer has lost some money testing offers to find the ones that work. Every single PPC marketer! If you're not willing to lose some money up front, then this business is definitely not for you.
              I explained this in another post. There are a few reasons. One being the delay in stats, the other being something that I can't really discuss here without revealing things in the program.


              Originally Posted by veotis View Post

              Google, Yahoo, MSN, they are all in the business to make money, too. You keep singing about taking a risk on this as though you're spending tens of thousands of dollars testing this stuff. Small testing is what I've been doing, and when I've found a winner, I ramp it up.
              This product is directed towards newbies. In my opinion, newbies should not play around with PPC because it can cost too much with little or no return. It could also work big time, but it's very easy to screw it up. Especially this particular method of PPC

              Originally Posted by veotis View Post

              Look dude, everything involved with PPC has some risks. I'm done with this. I'm sorry this hasn't worked for you, but I'm going to go set up some more test campaigns (on Google, Yahoo & MSN) so I can find me some more winners.
              Absolutely. That's my whole point. Yet there are other ways to do PPC that don't put you at as much risk. Like I said before, I have seen success with this method. I'm also not new to PPC, though. I can see how easily people can screw it up and turn it into a disaster and I'm just trying to make people aware of the risks. That's all.

              Again, it's worth the $1 trial, but I don't think the method and the rest of the content is worth the $97/month and I think it would be a dick thing to do to tell them to take the free trial but make sure they cancel before they get charged. Instead I'm going to say what I said - I don't feel it's worth $97/month and I leave it at that.
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  • Profile picture of the author shorwood
    Who says you have to set it up for $50/day? If you're in debt and think $50 is a lot then you won't be setting your budget at $50/day, and you definitely won't be leaving it for 12 days. If you are that much in debt and you think that $50 is a lot of money, then you're just not going to set it up like that.

    And they don't tell you to set it up like that. They tell you to set the budget at what you feel comfortable with. So if you're flat broke and in debt, then you may set it at $5/day, and you'll watch it like crazy to make sure you're not blowing all your money.

    If you are in that situation and you set it at $50/day and you walk away for two weeks then it's your own fault that you have no money! It's not the Frank's or Trey's or Screw Google's, it's YOURS.

    So don't blame it on the system. You choose to blow your money, not Frank or Trey. Sure, they don't put a limit on their campaign and they walk away for almost 2 weeks, but that doesn't mean you have to! They admit they have more money to spend and that you don't have to do that.

    So stop saying the system is going to make people go broke. The system isn't going to make people go broke. People are going to make themselves go flat broke.
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    • Profile picture of the author LittleMike
      Originally Posted by shorwood View Post

      Who says you have to set it up for $50/day? If you're in debt and think $50 is a lot then you won't be setting your budget at $50/day, and you definitely won't be leaving it for 12 days. If you are that much in debt and you think that $50 is a lot of money, then you're just not going to set it up like that.

      And they don't tell you to set it up like that. They tell you to set the budget at what you feel comfortable with. So if you're flat broke and in debt, then you may set it at $5/day, and you'll watch it like crazy to make sure you're not blowing all your money.

      If you are in that situation and you set it at $50/day and you walk away for two weeks then it's your own fault that you have no money! It's not the Frank's or Trey's or Screw Google's, it's YOURS.

      So don't blame it on the system. You choose to blow your money, not Frank or Trey. Sure, they don't put a limit on their campaign and they walk away for almost 2 weeks, but that doesn't mean you have to! They admit they have more money to spend and that you don't have to do that.

      So stop saying the system is going to make people go broke. The system isn't going to make people go broke. People are going to make themselves go flat broke.
      I do agree that people make people go broke, but I disagree that it's not the method. If you set your limit to $5, you are not going to be able to tell whether or not your stuff will convert because once you hit that $5 cap (which can happen very quickly using this method), then your ads will stop running. If your ads stop running, then no one is seeing them to click on. Again, I don't want to get into specifics, but suffice to say, you will need to set a limit of I'd say at least $25/day if not more in order for this method to work.

      I also agree that people should not set their campaigns to no limit if they don't feel they can afford it. However, people are going to do as Frank did and not as he said and they can end up in a world of hurt. I didn't actually bring that up, but yes I think that's a valid point too.

      Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that this method will make everyone go broke. If you're smart, you pay close attention, and you do everything they told you to, you can make money. The question was what people thought of this system. My opinion is that this system is riskier than other methods of PPC that I have learned and that it is not worth the $97/month. Would it be worth a typical $37 ebook price? Maybe.

      And yes, I know, you're getting a continually updated membership with new content every month. Honestly I didn't find it valuable either. There is a good 3 month gap or so in the blog with no posts, The Frank and Trey Show, although funny, is not something I feel I would pay for.

      I think the main difference here is that I'm thinking with the newbie mind and all the things that can go wrong using this method while you are saying that if the person follows directions, they won't go broke. People who are new don't know. They make mistakes, they miss something or they skim and don't pay close enough attention. There are less riskier methods to PPC than this and that's kinda the point.

      In either case, that's my opinion on the product. Give it the $1 trial if you want, but I personally don't feel it's worth the monthly charge, and I *definitely* think that newbies should be careful (as they always should) implementing these tactics as it can go wrong very easily.
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      • Profile picture of the author shorwood
        Wait...you're saying you actually have to spend money with PPC? If you need to spend $25/day, then do it for two days and watch your stats.

        If people are stupid enough to set the campaign to no limit when they can't afford it, then they shouldn't be in this business and honestly, they deserve to be broke. If you can't wisely spend/invest your money then you shouldn't have it.

        This is a business, and it is your choice to treat it as one or not. Should we blame Frank and Trey because newbies blow all their money?

        If you can't afford it, don't do PPC. If you don't treat it as a business and you treat it as a hobby, then you should expect to lose money. Hobbies cost money, they don't make money. It is every person's choice how they treat it.

        This course is no different than any other PPC course. It gives you a way to test a market for around $50, like mentioned above. If that's all you can afford, then you should be watching your campaigns and as soon as the $50 is up or when it gets close and stop the campaign.

        If you don't, then don't blame Frank or Trey or the system. Blame yourself.

        Stop blaming the people that are trying to help others make money and become successful and blame the people who control the money.

        Originally Posted by LittleMike View Post

        I do agree that people make people go broke, but I disagree that it's not the method. If you set your limit to $5, you are not going to be able to tell whether or not your stuff will convert because once you hit that $5 cap (which can happen very quickly using this method), then your ads will stop running. If your ads stop running, then no one is seeing them to click on. Again, I don't want to get into specifics, but suffice to say, you will need to set a limit of I'd say at least $25/day if not more in order for this method to work.

        I also agree that people should not set their campaigns to no limit if they don't feel they can afford it. However, people are going to do as Frank did and not as he said and they can end up in a world of hurt. I didn't actually bring that up, but yes I think that's a valid point too.

        Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that this method will make everyone go broke. If you're smart, you pay close attention, and you do everything they told you to, you can make money. The question was what people thought of this system. My opinion is that this system is riskier than other methods of PPC that I have learned and that it is not worth the $97/month. Would it be worth a typical $37 ebook price? Maybe.

        And yes, I know, you're getting a continually updated membership with new content every month. Honestly I didn't find it valuable either. There is a good 3 month gap or so in the blog with no posts, The Frank and Trey Show, although funny, is not something I feel I would pay for.

        I think the main difference here is that I'm thinking with the newbie mind and all the things that can go wrong using this method while you are saying that if the person follows directions, they won't go broke. People who are new don't know. They make mistakes, they miss something or they skim and don't pay close enough attention. There are less riskier methods to PPC than this and that's kinda the point.

        In either case, that's my opinion on the product. Give it the $1 trial if you want, but I personally don't feel it's worth the monthly charge, and I *definitely* think that newbies should be careful (as they always should) implementing these tactics as it can go wrong very easily.
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        • Profile picture of the author LittleMike
          Originally Posted by shorwood View Post

          Wait...you're saying you actually have to spend money with PPC? If you need to spend $25/day, then do it for two days and watch your stats.

          If people are stupid enough to set the campaign to no limit when they can't afford it, then they shouldn't be in this business and honestly, they deserve to be broke. If you can't wisely spend/invest your money then you shouldn't have it.

          This is a business, and it is your choice to treat it as one or not. Should we blame Frank and Trey because newbies blow all their money?

          If you can't afford it, don't do PPC. If you don't treat it as a business and you treat it as a hobby, then you should expect to lose money. Hobbies cost money, they don't make money. It is every person's choice how they treat it.

          This course is no different than any other PPC course. It gives you a way to test a market for around $50, like mentioned above. If that's all you can afford, then you should be watching your campaigns and as soon as the $50 is up or when it gets close and stop the campaign.

          If you don't, then don't blame Frank or Trey or the system. Blame yourself.

          Stop blaming the people that are trying to help others make money and become successful and blame the people who control the money.
          I guess we just disagree then. My whole point was that I don't feel the content is worth $97/month and that the PPC method is a risky one. Riskier than other PPC methods. This product is geared towards newbies. You don't try to teach someone a butterfly stroke when they don't even know how to swim, do you? So when the person flounders around in the water, it's their fault and not the instructor for trying to show them something too advanced for them? Again, we're just going to have to disagree on that one.
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          • Profile picture of the author shorwood
            Originally Posted by LittleMike View Post

            I guess we just disagree then. My whole point was that I don't feel the content is worth $97/month and that the PPC method is a risky one. Riskier than other PPC methods. This product is geared towards newbies. You don't try to teach someone a butterfly stroke when they don't even know how to swim, do you? So when the person flounders around in the water, it's their fault and not the instructor for trying to show them something too advanced for them? Again, we're just going to have to disagree on that one.
            What? This is ADVANCED?!?!?! This is simple PPC! This is pretty much as simple as it can get. In fact, I can't even think of how you can make it easier. You basically find keywords, create an ad, link to a landing page, see if it makes money. It's just step by step setting up an incredibly simple campaign.

            Seriously, what's so advanced about this and how is it riskier than other PPC? We already established that it's Yahoo! PPC, which means it costs less than Google PPC, so that is easier & less risky. It's not using complicated keyword research methods that are difficult to screw up, it's not creating advanced landing pages that you can screw up, it's just finding keywords, creating ads, setting up tracking, linking to a page.

            If you think you're going to reveal the course by explaining how it's advanced then please, PM me and tell me how on earth this is advanced and riskier than other method cause I sure am confused.
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            • Profile picture of the author LittleMike
              Originally Posted by shorwood View Post

              What? This is ADVANCED?!?!?! This is simple PPC! This is pretty much as simple as it can get. In fact, I can't even think of how you can make it easier. You basically find keywords, create an ad, link to a landing page, see if it makes money. It's just step by step setting up an incredibly simple campaign.

              Seriously, what's so advanced about this and how is it riskier than other PPC? We already established that it's Yahoo! PPC, which means it costs less than Google PPC, so that is easier & less risky. It's not using complicated keyword research methods that are difficult to screw up, it's not creating advanced landing pages that you can screw up, it's just finding keywords, creating ads, setting up tracking, linking to a page.

              If you think you're going to reveal the course by explaining how it's advanced then please, PM me and tell me how on earth this is advanced and riskier than other method cause I sure am confused.
              Sorry, in my swimming analogy I should have said riskier, not advanced. This is riskier, not more advanced. It is dead simple, but it's also easier to lose money.
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          • Profile picture of the author veotis
            Originally Posted by LittleMike View Post

            I guess we just disagree then. My whole point was that I don't feel the content is worth $97/month and that the PPC method is a risky one. Riskier than other PPC methods. This product is geared towards newbies. You don't try to teach someone a butterfly stroke when they don't even know how to swim, do you? So when the person flounders around in the water, it's their fault and not the instructor for trying to show them something too advanced for them? Again, we're just going to have to disagree on that one.
            Ok, one more thing LittleMike. Without revealing what Frank & Trey are teaching, please enlighten us all right here on these *other* methods that are less riskier. I mean that. I'm always open to learning new strategies. I'm sure everyone on this thread would like to know...
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            • Profile picture of the author LittleMike
              Originally Posted by veotis View Post

              Ok, one more thing LittleMike. Without revealing what Frank & Trey are teaching, please enlighten us all right here on these *other* methods that are less riskier. I mean that. I'm always open to learning new strategies. I'm sure everyone on this thread would like to know...
              I'm not sure that I could because their method is basically the exact opposite of what people usually teach about PPC.
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              • Profile picture of the author shorwood
                Originally Posted by LittleMike View Post

                I'm not sure that I could because their method is basically the exact opposite of what people usually teach about PPC.
                Exact opposite? Who have you been listening to? This is very similar to what other teach except it's with Yahoo! and they show you how to track it better than most people show you...wait, wouldn't that make it less risky?

                You can't say what "most people" teach. There are tons of different strategies out there and people teach a bunch of them. There is no way that "most people" teach it.

                And really, I still don't know a less risky strategy. (And I have gone through a lot of PPC courses)
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                • Profile picture of the author LittleMike
                  Originally Posted by shorwood View Post

                  Exact opposite? Who have you been listening to? This is very similar to what other teach except it's with Yahoo! and they show you how to track it better than most people show you...wait, wouldn't that make it less risky?

                  You can't say what "most people" teach. There are tons of different strategies out there and people teach a bunch of them. There is no way that "most people" teach it.

                  And really, I still don't know a less risky strategy. (And I have gone through a lot of PPC courses)
                  Hey shorwood - sent you a PM to answer your questions. Didn't see this post, though. Do you agree that "most" IM'ers say the money is in the list? There are most certainly recurring themes amongst what is taught in the IM world. I do answer that question in the PM, though.
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                  • Profile picture of the author shorwood
                    Originally Posted by LittleMike View Post

                    Hey shorwood - sent you a PM to answer your questions. Didn't see this post, though. Do you agree that "most" IM'ers say the money is in the list? There are most certainly recurring themes amongst what is taught in the IM world. I do answer that question in the PM, though.
                    Yeah, most IMers say the money is in the list, and most say that PPC is the fastest way to test the market. But there are hundreds of ways to build a list and hundreds of ways to use a list. Just like there are hundreds of ways to do PPC.

                    So yeah, there are recurring themes, but if you actually try to see how "the money is in the list" or "ppc is the fastest way to test a market" you are going to get thousands of answers.

                    And yes, the tool is top notch, and of course it has limitations. But it is 100X better than having no tracking, which many people teach. And if they do teach tracking, they tell you to get a couple hundred dollar or few thousand dollar software - which newbies can't afford so they won't use any tracking. So really, this is safer than what the other people teach.

                    I responded to your PM.
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                    • Profile picture of the author LittleMike
                      Originally Posted by shorwood View Post

                      Yeah, most IMers say the money is in the list, and most say that PPC is the fastest way to test the market. But there are hundreds of ways to build a list and hundreds of ways to use a list. Just like there are hundreds of ways to do PPC.

                      So yeah, there are recurring themes, but if you actually try to see how "the money is in the list" or "ppc is the fastest way to test a market" you are going to get thousands of answers.

                      And yes, the tool is top notch, and of course it has limitations. But it is 100X better than having no tracking, which many people teach. And if they do teach tracking, they tell you to get a couple hundred dollar or few thousand dollar software - which newbies can't afford so they won't use any tracking. So really, this is safer than what the other people teach.

                      I responded to your PM.
                      I can agree that there are a bunch of methods to doing both but in my experience, most people are only teaching just a few of them. And there a lot of people teaching just those few methods.

                      I agree with you completely on the tracking. That is one of the keys to success not just with PPC but with IM in general. Split testing and tracking are probably the most underrated aspects to making money online and they are two of the most important things to do.

                      Checking your PM now.
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  • Profile picture of the author shorwood
    Oh, and in regards to your swimming example this is completely different.

    If you want to compare this to swimming, then it would be like your instructor telling you exactly what you need to do, showing you how to do it and showing you possible results (like making nothing = drowning) and then you choose whether or not to do it.

    If an instructor shows you how to do the butterfly stroke and then somebody who doesn't know how to swim just jumps into deep water and trys it out, then that's their own fault. They know the possible results, they know they can try something a little easier first and start with less risk, so it is their fault.

    Only difference is, the "instructor" here is isn't going to save you if you decide to jump in without knowing what you're doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author LittleMike
    By the way, I believe I said it already, but the tracking tool really is top notch. However, it does have some limitations (to the free model).
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    • Profile picture of the author Wednesday
      A N00bs perspective...

      I have read this thread and wanted to toss my hat in being a complete internet marketing n00b. For the $1 I paid I was introduced PPC marketing for the first time.

      I am a cpu geek and worked for an advertising agency for the last 8 years. The company I worked for thought they were on the cutting edge of internet marketing and I now know that not to be the case...

      This is how my last week went and why this was a pretty valuable dollar for me personally.

      1. Saw Frank do an interview with AR.
      2. Bought Screw google
      3. Implemented right away to learn the PPC methodolgy
      4. Learned about how google works. How adsense works. How to create large amounts of keywords quickly.
      5. Researched Kearns career
      5.5 Researched SEO, Article Marketing, Back linking, outsourcing etc
      6. Downloaded a pirated video capture of a seminar talk he did from the pirate bay. Got very motivated.
      7. Found the warrior forum, read most threads.
      8. Found Stompernet. Took them up on all their freebies and consumed massive amounts of pointers (Quite a few that pointed out why SG wasnt a good approach.
      9. Through this forum and SG I found out about no less than 10 tools for market research most notably keywordspy...etc
      9.5 Spent hours doing market research to see what people were doing and who the percieved heavy hitters are.
      10. Last but not least, I have an interview on Thursday with another advertising agency that wants help in the online space and guess what... That $1 is probably gonna land me the job.

      So, if you are a robot and need to follow a method mindlessly then you are going to fail in any business endeavor you try. If you take and assimilate the information around you and incorporate it in a coherent serious business strategy, toss in a dash of Anthony Robbins massive action, you will at the very least gain great experience from your failures and have the potential upside that could change your life.

      My mind is reeeling with the possibilities..

      Thats what $1 bought me....
      (I did however cancel the monthly because I did not see the value there..)
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    Just checking in to make sure everything's cool in terms of customer support.

    If anyone needs help, I'm at superbadkern@gmail.com
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    • Profile picture of the author nofearman
      Originally Posted by frank-kern View Post

      Just checking in to make sure everything's cool in terms of customer support.

      If anyone needs help, I'm at superbadkern@gmail.com
      Frank,
      For years I have asked with out much success this question.

      My e-commerce business, since 1996, has catered to affluent collectors of high end memorabilia and collectibles. Most of these "online success" programs (I do have Mass Control 1) seem to be most affective with the more "impulsive" buyers of income opportunity, ebooks, and/or other either low cost or impulsive products. The affluent market remains elusive in large numbers. Hence, trying to find a program that may have more of a focus on "unique" markets. Dan Kennedy addresses this market in his most recent book. So hoping one of you online Gurus will one day develop a package to address how to penetrate the affluent market?
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      • Profile picture of the author veotis
        Originally Posted by nofearman View Post

        Frank,
        For years I have asked with out much success this question.

        My e-commerce business, since 1996, has catered to affluent collectors of high end memorabilia and collectibles. Most of these "online success" programs (I do have Mass Control 1) seem to be most affective with the more "impulsive" buyers of income opportunity, ebooks, and/or other either low cost or impulsive products. The affluent market remains elusive in large numbers. Hence, trying to find a program that may have more of a focus on "unique" markets. Dan Kennedy addresses this market in his most recent book. So hoping one of you online Gurus will one day develop a package to address how to penetrate the affluent market?
        Kevin
        Uh, what? I thought this thread was about Screw Google...
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    • Profile picture of the author thetechguy
      Originally Posted by frank-kern View Post

      Just checking in to make sure everything's cool in terms of customer support.

      If anyone needs help, I'm at superbadkern@gmail.com

      Frank, I posted this http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post1196356

      days ago and would appreciate an answer. Why did you show an example that made no money?
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      • Profile picture of the author treysmith
        GetRichQuickforums guy: Yes, we turned the spanish campaign around.

        If you'll look at the last video of Screw Google, you'll see where we got our first sale after switching products from Rocket Spanish to a different Spanish product.

        In that video, we also discuss the strategy of trimming dead keywords ...and we show you the keyword that works.

        Since the last video was filmed, we've made more sales in that campaign and turned the campaign profitable by implementing the strategy we outlined in that video.

        We've also added a video showing how we turned a profit in another niche immediately ...using another ad network. This new video is in the members' area.

        (NOTE: It is unusual to turn a profit immediately. You usually have to go through the "trimming" process we outline in Screw Google.)

        IMM members will be able to see the progress of the spanish (and other) campaigns as time progresses.
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        • Profile picture of the author thetechguy
          Originally Posted by treysmith View Post

          GetRichQuickforums guy: Yes, we turned the spanish campaign around.

          If you'll look at the last video of Screw Google, you'll see where we got our first sale after switching products from Rocket Spanish to a different Spanish product.

          In that video, we also discuss the strategy of trimming dead keywords ...and we show you the keyword that works.

          Since the last video was filmed, we've made more sales in that campaign and turned the campaign profitable by implementing the strategy we outlined in that video.

          We've also added a video showing how we turned a profit in another niche immediately ...using another ad network. This new video is in the members' area.

          (NOTE: It is unusual to turn a profit immediately. You usually have to go through the "trimming" process we outline in Screw Google.)

          IMM members will be able to see the progress of the spanish (and other) campaigns as time progresses.
          Thank you Trey - I like that you guys are "out there" in the trenches so to speak answering our questions.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by getrichquickforums.com View Post

        Frank, I posted this http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post1196356

        days ago and would appreciate an answer. Why did you show an example that made no money?
        He answered this almost a month ago, and you missed it:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post1116758
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  • Profile picture of the author MarioSotojr
    All I can say they make if fun and simple. It's great content, fun to watch and easy follow. I've already seeing a return on one of my niches. After watching the videos it's straight to the point no fluff.

    Thanks Frank and Trey
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
    Banned
    I just read an absolutely fascinating post from Frank on his Mass Control site on the real story behind the FTC bust of his back in 2003. And I must confess I'm a bit embarrassed as I've been busting his ass all over the net on that one. I don't agree with some of the stuff he does but overall I find him highly entertaining and a bloody good marketer. And writer. So read this post. Here's an excerpt -
    3: The FTC is Complaint Driven
    I asked my friend (who used to work for the FTC) how someone even ends up on their radar in the first place.
    He told me that most of their actions are driven by consumer complaints.
    This means that YOU NEED TO TREAT YOUR CUSTOMERS LIKE GOLD.
    And by the way, simply giving refunds is not NEARLY enough.
    You need to make sure that what you're selling exceeds their expectations.
    After all, satisfied raving fans aren't going to file complaints about you.
    From http://masscontrolsite.com/blog/?p=57
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  • Profile picture of the author korme
    I found Franks support system to be spot on. fast and efficient. I had no problems with the support system and the videos were great.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThomasBartke
    One of the best things about Infomillionaire is that nobody ever cancels their subscription (except the 2 or 3 people who said they did in this threat.)

    So, Frank & Trey - when will you open up an affiliate program for IM2?

    Cheers,
    Thomas
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  • Profile picture of the author publicidadeba
    Dude,

    I will start the Screw Google method very soon....
    But i would like some recomendations

    1 - Product to start

    2 - Amount of cash to start

    is 50 USD a good start?

    thanks all
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    • Profile picture of the author frank-kern
      @publicidadeba: It's really impossible to say how much you need to start ...as that depends on the keywords you're using, the conversion rate of what you're promoting, how much you're bidding, and so forth.

      I advise people to test small at first.

      @BULLETT: We add 3 new videos, a new article, and a new Q&A video each week.

      Have you noticed all this new stuff? Having any trouble navigating the members' area?

      We're here to help. Lemme know.
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  • Profile picture of the author publicidadeba
    Frank or Trey.

    LittleMike said a bunch of things about SG system and you guys didnt even answer back, i think many members here are a little concern with yours guys silence on this matter.

    PS: I dont think LittleMike is right on any point.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
    I've got a question for you Frank or Trey, if you're still reading this. Let's say we do campaigns like you recommend where we target huge numbers of low cost, but also low traffic keywords.

    It seems like a cool strategy, because if you have 17,000 keywords producing an average of only 1 visitor a month, that's still enough traffic to make 85 sales at 1/2% conversion. If the average cost was only $.10, then the traffic cost $1,700.

    Anything over a $20 commission in that example is profit. If we chose a product that pays $50 a sale, we make a $2,550 profit. That's great so far, if that all works out.

    However, the next step is to refine the process, "trim the fat" as you say. Figure out where the sales are coming from, and eliminate unprofitable keywords.

    Sounds great but I'm not sure how accurate you can be in figuring profitability when your traffic is spread out among so many keywords.

    In other words, even if the salespage converts at a whopping 4%, that means on average you need at least 25 clicks to get a single sale.

    So if each cheap keyword produces an average of 1 click a month, to give it a fair shake you need at least 25 months to test it. Otherwise, maybe which ones produced sales are due to random chance, rather than indicating their superiority.

    I hope that's clear enough. I guess I'm thinking if you're bidding a dime or less for huge numbers of obscure keywords that get tiny trickles of traffic, maybe you have to look at them over a much longer period, like a couple of years, to really know that you have a meaningful sample, and can confidently "trim the fat". Thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author publicidadeba
    Guy look up "Is New Money Masters TRULY what you think it is?" at google.

    this guy is talking about how Frank Kern method will not work that well...
    Im really confused now
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    • Profile picture of the author veotis
      Originally Posted by publicidadeba View Post

      Guy look up "Is New Money Masters TRULY what you think it is?" at google.

      this guy is talking about how Frank Kern method will not work that well...
      Im really confused now
      You're going to have to make that decision YOURSELF. I watched some of the video you referenced, and although it's only around 6 minutes long, I stopped around 2 minutes. Who is that guy? Really, who cares? He has a motive, you can rest assured for that. Also, he is not referring to what this thread is about, which is Screw Google - Infomillionaire 2. All I can tell you is that you can try the Screw Google system for a whole month for a measly $1. It's real simple, and you can cancel before you are charged $97 for the second month. Like anything, it takes work ( not ditch digging work ) to find what works and what doesn't. It's just like anything else that deals with making money on the internet, you have to test, test and did I mention, test, to find out what works. You don't have to invest a lot into your research, but, you do have to invest something. You see a lot of complainers who obviously don't make any money on the internet complaining about having to spend money. Well, duh, to get good at something no matter what it is you're probably going to have to make an investment. Doctors, lawyers, pro athletes, etc. all had to do some initial investing into their careers before they reaped the rewards. Good luck on whatever you decide.
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      • Profile picture of the author KA
        Hi, Im a newbie to IM, and Screw Google was my first try at PPC.

        This is my experience with Screw Google:

        Videos were fun to watch and easy to follow.
        I started setting up lots of campaigns very quickly.

        In the last month:
        20 campaigns
        7 products sold
        $300 commission
        $400 PPC

        Yes, I have lost $100. I technically shouldn't mind that, since the whole point of the system is to "trim the fat" and make it profitable, but my problem has been:

        - Even with high gravity CB products, they convert at less than 0.5%
        - each campaign has taken roughly a month to sell one product (if any)
        - One sale doesn't give me anywhere enough information to trim the fat

        So at this rate, its going to take me a few months or more to get enough sales before I can "trim the fat" All the while, Im losing money on the PPC campaigns.

        So, Im still a bit unsure about this system, and don't really know what to do from here.

        This is just my honest review, and I'm open to feedback about it.
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        • Profile picture of the author papeter
          I suggest to go post your question in their members site as each week they produce a video answering all the questions asked.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tyrome
          Originally Posted by KA View Post


          In the last month:
          20 campaigns
          7 products sold
          $300 commission
          $400 PPC

          Yes, I have lost $100. I technically shouldn't mind that, since the whole point of the system is to "trim the fat" and make it profitable, but my problem has been:

          - Even with high gravity CB products, they convert at less than 0.5%
          - each campaign has taken roughly a month to sell one product (if any)
          - One sale doesn't give me anywhere enough information to trim the fat

          So at this rate, its going to take me a few months or more to get enough sales before I can "trim the fat" All the while, Im losing money on the PPC campaigns.
          I absolutely agree with KA. I bought the Screw Google method and love PPC since English is my third language and therefore I'm not the biggest
          article writer. However Frank and Trey are going for the small keywords and it doesn't offer you the opportunity to trim any keywords down fast enough. I simply didn't get nearly as much traffic from Yahoo as I do from Yahoo. I think that Frank's and Trey's method has flaws but it absolutely is worth the dollar and everyone who even considers getting into PPC should get it. I also canceled my membership and got emailed back within 48 hours so no problems with that at all. Their videos are amazing and the keyword research introduces some really good, new ideas. By the way there are gray hat techniques out there which allow you to direct link on Google.

          Be successful
          Tyrome
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          • Profile picture of the author LazyViking
            Just wanted to chime in - I bought this when it came out and I made more than $200 dollars in sales on the first product I tested. I scaled back on the wasted keywords and ultimately ended up cashing a check for just under $200 from Clickbank for about $90 dollars in ads. Not too shabby for a guy who's never used PPC before.

            Now, 2 things:

            1) My sales disappeared. I don't know what happened, but after this wonderful string of sales the first two weeks or so, they just stopped. It's been two full weeks now without a sale and I have no idea what happened. I haven't touched the campaign in the last two weeks, and the only changes have been that Yahoo bumped the quality score of my ads, my average ad position has improved to 1.2, and I get more clicks on the same good keywords.

            I've got to assume that the merchant did something on his end to the site, but the site basically looks the same and I have no idea what it could be. I'm considering emailing the guy and seeing if he did anything differently, and I'm considering plugging a different product into the same campaign.

            2) My other campaigns haven't performed as well - in fact, much like Frank's first example, they haven't made any sales at all. That said:

            - They've been dirt cheap; the average CPC for the buying keywords might be above my limit
            - I might not have a good matching set of keywords for the product
            - The sales letter might suck.

            Who knows? I'll be swapping out these offers in short order.

            In any event, I MORE than made back my investment in the trial, learned something new, and have a solid foundation to build off of.

            If Frank or anyone else has an idea why my first campaign might have gone from hero to zero overnight, I'd love to hear it. It just seemed to be ramping up and up, and then it went in the ****ter.
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            • Profile picture of the author Fphilip84
              I'm not really sure why my post was deleted? Anyway I'm just curious where I can find the video on overcoming the Stat202 hurdle. How do I become a member to watch the videos?
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              • Profile picture of the author si588
                i wanted to buy screw google but you cant get it anymore so i downloaded it but i cant get past the stats 202 part.

                Can someone tell me how to get past this problem. What is shown in the video.??

                I would buy it but you cant anymore. not trying to cheat anyone out of money especially frank who gives constant value.

                anyway if someone could help out and also give some value to someone who's trying to make things work that would be awesome.

                thanks guys
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  • Profile picture of the author MoneyPlus
    I signed up for the $1 trial and watched all the videos during the trial.
    They have a totally cool method for doing keyword research, and then submitting
    the keywords to Yahoo at rock bottom prices and tracking the results.

    Money is tight for me right now, so I had to cancel. I had no problems at all.
    Their system rocks. It's totally worth checking out and if you have to cancel,
    you won't have any problems.
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