Screw Google - Infomillionaire 2?

I bought the system.

I got charged a dollar. Wow.

Meanwhile, this is really good content.

I'm watching videos from Frank and Trey. I don't care if I know this stuff, every time I watch something from Frank & Trey I learn something.

And yes. I buy stuff even from my friends.

I don't like to ask for favors.

Is this worth it?

Yes.

Two thumbs up.

Peace.

Hi Robert,

We pretty much have a "refund first, ask questions later" policy. If anyone has EVER had trouble getting a refund, I want to know it immediately.

When we launched InfoMillionaire, we got right around 8,000 customers in a very short time and essentially overwhelmed our support staff. (Dumb mistake.)

Add that to the fact that we were using a new support system ...which we set up WRONG (therefore causing the system to *dump* support tickets for about 4 days) and you get a customer service disaster.

That was 100% our fault and we were very embarrassed by it.

We now have tripled the support staff (all U.S. based and local to our offices) and are doing a "non-launch" as to avoid getting too many new customers too fast.

Any comments of mine regarding whether or not the product is any good would be so biased they'd be irrelevant.

So the main reason I'm replying here is to address the refund issue. That stuff freaks me out and if there's anyone who wants a refund for anything then I want them to have it.

My personal email address is superbadkern at gmail.com if anyone needs anything.

Thanks,
Frank

I've never had any problem with support from Frank Kern, sometimes response is a little slow during and just after their launches (when they no doubt have huge numbers of enquiries to get through) but other than that very good.

I don't know about all of Frank Kern's products but I do have Mass Control 1, Mass Control 2 and I'm subscribed to Mass Control Monthly. The stuff he teaches in these products works I found when put into practice, certainly has made me plenty of money.

There is a treasure trove of great information on his Mass Control blog alone, loads of high quality videos on marketing which are free to view, in fact watching one of his free videos on his blog last year impressed me so much I went on to buy Mass Control.

I'm running behind schedule today so I haven't watched the vid yet but I will say that I cancelled Infomillionaire and it was completely painless accompanied by excellent customer service. Btw I didn't cancel Infomillionaire because I thought it was a rubbish product. I have MC and the service/support for that product has been outstanding.

Sorry to bother people here - but I noticed someone said Mass Control Monthly - is it still running and if so - where is the darn order page?

Harlan, I love how you and Frank both adopt the same approach to text layout - did Frank teach you it or vice versa?

Regardless, it really really increases readability and I've found for myself that increases sales.

With these darn DVDs on the Googles things. Do they play on PAL DVD players ?

Hi Harlan,

I already do take notice! Where is the order page for Mass Control monthly?

oh dear. Ah well, I will wait for it to reopen then. How long has it been running now?

The content on these videos is beyond exceptional its ease of implementation. Every video is highly actionable, and by the end of the hour it takes to watch and take notes you'll be ready to go.

Frank Kern and his material is absolutely amazing I was very impressed with Mass Control 2.0 the best value for money I have seen in a very long time and I am sure his Screw Google product also is as people on skype have been saying good things about it

Does this talk about only paid traffic method (PPC?) or free traffic method too?

12c a click can be costly too, if you end up with lots of clicks, but no sale!!

Forgetting Frank Kern (who we all love to love lol) and focusing on the product itself... which was the original question I believe. I've implemented it and it is bloody easy as hell to set up lol. Took me about 15 minutes to get a campaign up (and I never use pay per click).

It does what it says on the tin and is a super easy way to drive a whole bunch of traffic... Without bothering with the whole landing page/quality score shenanigans.

However, just like in Franks video, the clicks I've found do not convert too well. So whether the system is actually good or not I don't know. What I will say is that I picked one of the best converting products in my experience on Clickbank and have only got one sale from over 300 clicks now. I will continue to let the campaign run though and will be sure to report back on any updates in the next couple of days.

So there's the facts, no bias.

George

Amitywill- That took balls, especially on this forum where Frank is a god.

The videos are only an hour huh? That makes me wonder why Harlan was watching them for "hours". As he stated he has been doing this for a long time but yet he felt a need to watch them for hours? That sort of has me scratching my head.

I have no idea what the past posts say, but let me give you guys some wisdom. Never say anything offensive to Google. Without Google, there wouldn't be a retirement plan to retire on for the infamous "retired internet millionaire." You can look him up on google, he's an awesome guy because he regularly sends email notifications of exactly what to enter into your adwords text fields. Bottom line to all of you, Google reigns supreme!

offtopic:
No, media buying reigns supreme...google only has a fraction of the internet advertising market.

Jim, that rules!

Amitywill, you have a point. Strangely, you're the first person to say anything about the fact that our initial test campaign didn't yield a profit.

We expected to hear some concern over it earlier since we've had so many customers.

And we considered delaying the release of these videos until we could show an immediately profitable campaign. (After all, all we'd have to do is test a gazillion products and then only show the winners.)

However, we thought it would be SUPER LAME to *only* film/show winning campaigns.

The fact of the matter is this: When you're testing affiliate products with PPC, you're not always profitable right out of the gate. In fact, I've never met a single person who is *instantly* profitable when promoting affiliate products via PPC.

Sometimes, you promote a product that doesn't convert and you move on. No big deal if you're monitoring the campaigns.

Sometimes you have some keywords that convert and you have others that are eating up your profits so you cut them off. This is the most common scenario.

What we show in the videos is REALITY.

If we'd edited out the duds and made it look like our first promotion out of the gate was a winner, we'd set up customer expectations that their first promo out of the gate should be a winner.

And while I hope that the first campaign everyone sets up is immediately profitable (like Jim's), I know that's not often the case. You usually have to trim the fat.

So to set up a false expectation that the very first campaign is going to be a winner would (IMO) be a grave disservice to the customer.

And the reason I believe this is because they would likely say, "Damn! My first promo didn't convert. I must be doing something wrong. I quit!"

...When in reality, they just needed to test another one. Or they simply need to trim the dud keywords and only run the ones that convert.

So that's my side of the coin on this issue.

Also, we *did* get a sale on the new product we switched to.

And we're testing other ones that are converting as well.

In fact, I just shot an update video about it and am uploading that today (for any customers who are interested.)

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

Frank

And yes I've just noticed the big sign up the top. So I probably will get banned.

I didn't really mean to slag of Frank even though it seems that way. However
I see the product has flaws and to me it seems unfinished. If it wasn't for the
ending then the product would have been very good.

Frank says at the end that the product didn't convert but another one might.

If he had gone a little bit further with the videos and tested another product
and proved it works then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Will

Got it. Going through the stuff. I love it. I don't know what it is, personality or something, but I can sit through Frank's presentations while I can't sit through the same type of presentation from other people.

It may be basic to you, or it may be revolutionary, it depends on where you are at.

What I really enjoy is the sales process. If you pay attention to how you were enticed to buy the thing you can learn tons.

Hey dude, check out the next video module... module 5.1 I believe.

We show you how to get around the stats202 problem (and without having to pay
them anything).

Ok Dennis, I just looked in there... There are two videos for Module 5, make sure you watch the one on the bottom too.

Thanks,

Trey

Thanksabunch, Trey. I was feeling soooooo silly, and maybe a little persecuted. Cooler heads have prevailed (yours), and I also got a little direction from the folks at Tracking202. ow all is one with the universe. Back to Yahoo for the grand finale!

More later,
Dennis

I tell you what. Using this screw google method I made my first clickbank sale ! And I ran into that Tracking202 issue as well. Will have to check out the new vids.The biggest thing I've learned so far is keyword research. I was just lazy with it. I spent the most time doing just that. Now it's just getting better with ads. He aint lying. I was able to get down to .13 clicks.

Trey gave some good tips on finding different keywords. And yeah it's easy to watch Franks videos than others. I've pruned my subscription list to about 5. And he is in that group.

One last thing. There may be something to yahoo and bing. I work in the cable industry and go to many homes. Guess what is the home page on many of those shiny new laptops and computers. MSN/Bing including the search bar. Just food for thought.

Hi,
I came accross this discussion looking for ways to get my hands on that $1 baby. I really want it, but without a credit card it's a bit tough to do it. I left a comment on the blog, but without a response to it. Now I see that Frank is freequenting this page, so I might be in luck.
Frank, Trey, I do not want to bother you through personal email that's been put out here, but is there any chance of you setting up a paypal payment option for the likes of me? I am on your list and getting updates, but there is no way I can give you the money before actually earning enough to be given a credit card. I am not moaning, and I'm on my way up. Yet I think your knowledge could propell me a bit faster, hence the entry here...
Thanks guys
Ineta

Shownuff: Congrats on your first sale. That's awesome!

Ineta: Sorry about not taking PayPal. We haven't been able to integrate it with our membership/support system so that's why we don't use it. Nothing against PayPal.

Dr.DennisClark: Glad you got the Tracking202 and Stats202 thing sorted. Stats202 was free for a straight year and then they started charging for it like 2 days after we released our course.

Doh!

But as you've noticed, we found an easy way around it so all's well :-)

Frank you simply rock and so does Trey. Both of you are excellent teachers! I got my campaign up and running in about an hour. We have our cpc at .10. Even if some of my campaigns tank, no worries when you are taught from the best.

You guys are so masterfully brilliant that most people have no idea of the bigger picture that is going on. I say screw the naysayers as they were not going to stay customers long anyway.

Informillionaire, screw google and mass control have been my complete online education and I for one am very appreciative of it. Tracking202 gives you the exact keyword that makes you sales and you can't get any better than that.

Thanks Trey/Frank for providing internet marketing education, you truly are making a difference for many people online.

How do I find the screw google program? A google search turned up nothing for me. Anyone have a link or something? Thanks!

Thanks oneplusone!

Thanks Shane... We're actually about to launch a new show within the Members area
called "The Frank and Trey Show"... It should be really fun. We start shooting early
next week.

By the way... you don't have to pay for the tracking. They DID start charging for the
"stats202" portion, but we updated module 5 with a new video showing you how to
check stats for free.

I'm actually about to redo module five (make it one video instead of two) to avoid
confusion.

Thanks, and glad you all are enjoying it!

Trey

I also purchased infomillionaire package
i kept my monthly subscription untlil
frank decided to make it digital instead
of recieving it in the mail every month
I cancelled my subscripion with no problems
Great people to deal with.

FYI guys... the new Module 5 video (about tracking) is updated.

Thanks,

Trey

Trey/Frank,

In your SG videos, you mention for your Government Record Sites, that you setup campaigns for ALL 50 STATES.

I know that Frank also did that with his Dog Business, i.e., setup campaigns for all the various dog breeds.

What program are you using to create all those campaigns? It can't be by hand as that would take you forever!

If you could share what it is you're using to basically duplicate successful campaigns like this, that'd be cool.

Thanks.

Kirby

Code64: We're updating constantly (3 new videos and 2 new blog post per week). All
kinds of different stuff in the works.

Kirby: Actually that was totally done by hand (our staff, not us personally). But the
easiest way to do it is use Adwords Editor to make/clone campaigns, then upload into
Yahoo.

@Kirby, It's probably SpeedPPC. That tool is pretty amazing for doing that sort of thing.

@treysmith,

What tool was it that Jeff Johnson created that allowed you guys to automate a lot of this type of thing with blogs, content, etc., to help build that WIDE domination in a niche?

@chris hubbard,

Thanks dude. I'm aware of that tool also. Never used it though due to it's entry price point.

Kirby

@kirby

Jeff Johnson's software is Traffic Equalizer I believe. (If not it's one of the "Equalizer" products of his)

Shawn

I'm one of those slow starters who's read a lot about marketing (for years) but not followed through to create results (yet).

I've got a miserably ailing computer, (5-10 minutes to open a new browser window is common-I spend more time cursing the little hourglass than actually doing work), and very little money left before I have to go back to hauling shipping containers and trailers-I'm a bit freaked out.

With the ultra-slow computer, no previous success references, and the tendency to flit from one "make $10K per month!" method to another (due to self-doubt kicking in once the first problem rears it's head), any guru has their work cut out helping me create success!

Frank and Trey are helping me change that, as their stuff seems very actionable, and the Screw Google method has introduced me to a lot of cool tools and techniques I can use right now (even though I'm worried about blowing the rest of my cash on clicks before finding a profitable campaign). It's taking me days to do what others report doing in an hour, but I really feel upbeat about this.

Trey and Frank do a great job of taking the intimidation/confusion factor out of it. Until now I've been overwhelmed by the variety of tasks, methods, and conflicting viewpoints between profits and me, and I recognize that as the vicious cycle of fear and self-doubt described in the Kern/Reese/Robbins interview.

So far I've got about 1000 keywords (I think), and I'm going to try to finish getting my first campaign up and running tommorrow. I'm a bit scared about spending the money to test, especially if the first one flops, but I'm excited too, and I think I can make this work.

The guidance they give is detailed and doable, and combined with the great encouragement I got from the Robbins interview, it seems like exactly what I needed.

So this is all to say, I owe these guys a huge thank you for giving me awesome guidance and encouragement at a time when I really need it-for a buck!-absurd generosity!

My breakthrough (if you saw the Kern, Reese, Robbins video, you know what I mean; if not, check it out- Interview with Frank Kern and John Reese) will be when I make my first $1500 over expenses, so I can go out and buy a new computer-then there's no going back!

Okay, I've always enjoyed Frank Kern's stuff, but I just don't see the $97 per month price point. As for the Clickbank videos and Screw Google, there wasn't anything new, at least not for me. I mean, honestly, $1,200 a year is way too much for the content provided. I want to like the product, but honestly, I already have online businesses and offline businesses that aren't in a 'making money niche', and for this price point I'd be looking for a lot more than basic introductory IM information. I'd want to see actual traffic numbers, conversion rates, traffic sources, etc. Something I can actually justify paying for.

Hey guys

I paid the $1 and in my first week of doing my first (and only so far) screw google campaign I spent $7 on clicks and sold 1 product (which was $66) so....

HULLLLLOOOOOO $59 profit in my first week....

Guess what I'm spending my time doing each day now!!!!!

I'm due to have my second baby so passive income from this is EXACTLY what I need.

I'm dancing on the tables right now!!!

What I want to know next is a place where I can discuss the TYPES of products others are selling successfully with this process Anyone know a good forum with POSITIVE feedback!

It really works. Try it!

OT:
Anti-google confession: Sometimes when I don't want big brother google staring over my shoulder, I use a site called scroogle [dot] ORG (.com is a different kind of site- read porn). They strip google search results while keeping your info private. They also offer some chuckle-worthy satire on our favorite world super power... Lately though I've been using startpage- much more google-like search there and they use a combined search like dogpile.

Anyway, thanks to everyone who wrote reviews... helped me a bunch.

I just picked up "Screw Google" yesterday from Frank & Trey. Love the entertaining style - it keeps a ADD guy like me tuned in.

Actually watched the whole thing (including the Frank & Trey Show video). Started a campaign last night & got 1183 impressions with 10 clickthru's on keywords that I probably shouldnt have used anyway.

Some keywords that I should have been getting impressions on, I didnt because bid was too low.

Today I'm "tweaning" (Trey's words, not mine) my keywords to see if I can get some conversions.

I think the "Screw Google" stuff is brilliant and I definitely plan to keep my membership going for Info Marketing Monthly!

Hopefully we'll see The Frank & Trey Show Part Deux soon! Its worth the price of admission just for the entertainment value.

...Shane

I had no probs with Infomillionaire, but for some reason have problems cancelling Infomillion. It's probably caused by me not knowing the simple way to do this and submitting support ticket instead of hitting some obvious button.

Besides that - everything is good with theese guys, and I take it is an exeption.

I'm basically not too interested in IM as such anymore and at the moment signing out and cancelling everything I can. This is why there is some sort of bad karma between me and everything im related. so be it. hopefully soon i'll be withdrown from infomillion.hub.

Thanks

JJ

I raised some of my niche marketing sites' sales by about 20% more just by using the Screw Google method. Not brilliant, but well, that's pretty cool for just "trying" it out.

Anyway Trey, can we see more of Andy on the Frank & Trey show? (I bet he can do some stunts or whatever)

Sorry - but anyone knows how to cancel this thing? Any help will be appreciated.

It's been three working days now and still no answer. I didn't really want to do this here - but am forced to, as there seems to be no other way to get to helpdesk at screw google

Thank you for your help

Infomillionaire 2 looks pretty good.
I did learn loads from the 1st Informillionaire when it came out so I will look into getting this at some stage.

Waldo

After studying Screw Google I was puzzled that Frank Kern only demonstrated a campaign (Speak Spanish) that made no money. In his sales literature he claimed that he tested over 400 products before releasing the program. He should have had at least one campaign make a dollar or two. Now I am wondering if Kern is pumping his ego by selling products to customers even after he tells them it does not make money. Remember the old comment by PT Barnum about a sucker being born every minute. I am not skeptical or anti Kern, in fact I like the guy and give him great credit for what he has accomplished. I think Kern should come out with the examples of winners using this method. This would help eliminate the PT Barnum theory. Please Frank help us out here and prove old PT wrong.

Just wanted to let you know - there was just some delay in support. Everything is resolved now - Frank replied after 43 minutes and it was sorted on the same day

JJ

I took the dollar trial, but I don't think I will be staying on as a member. I don't want to reveal too much for Frank and Trey's sake, but in short:

The lessons are immediately actionable, simple to understand, and easy to apply.

They will also allow you to go flat broke in no time flat. Yes, you can mitigate/prevent this from happening, but honestly the techniques in here are not new by far, and will not make you money. Okay, I shouldn't say not, I should say that they are not a good way to make you money. They are a good way to SPEND money.

Ever hear the expression "Throw it all at the wall and see what sticks?" (Or some variation thereof)

That's the Screw Google Method. And it is a good way to get yourself bankrupt in a hurry.

Sorry guys, I'm just not feeling it.

One good thing I will say, though is the tracking solution is top notch. Now THAT was something great that I learned from the program. Aside from that. Nope. Just another way to dump money.

Could you make money using their methods? Surely! But let me tell you it is a lot easier to LOSE money with their methods than it is to gain. It's kind of like betting on the horses. Sure you might get lucky and have a huge payout, but there's a reason the betting tracks are in business - because more often than not, you don't.

Just my two cents, take it for what it's worth.

-Mike

Who says you have to set it up for $50/day? If you're in debt and think $50 is a lot then you won't be setting your budget at $50/day, and you definitely won't be leaving it for 12 days. If you are that much in debt and you think that $50 is a lot of money, then you're just not going to set it up like that.

And they don't tell you to set it up like that. They tell you to set the budget at what you feel comfortable with. So if you're flat broke and in debt, then you may set it at $5/day, and you'll watch it like crazy to make sure you're not blowing all your money.

If you are in that situation and you set it at $50/day and you walk away for two weeks then it's your own fault that you have no money! It's not the Frank's or Trey's or Screw Google's, it's YOURS.

So don't blame it on the system. You choose to blow your money, not Frank or Trey. Sure, they don't put a limit on their campaign and they walk away for almost 2 weeks, but that doesn't mean you have to! They admit they have more money to spend and that you don't have to do that.

So stop saying the system is going to make people go broke. The system isn't going to make people go broke. People are going to make themselves go flat broke.

Oh, and in regards to your swimming example this is completely different.

If you want to compare this to swimming, then it would be like your instructor telling you exactly what you need to do, showing you how to do it and showing you possible results (like making nothing = drowning) and then you choose whether or not to do it.

If an instructor shows you how to do the butterfly stroke and then somebody who doesn't know how to swim just jumps into deep water and trys it out, then that's their own fault. They know the possible results, they know they can try something a little easier first and start with less risk, so it is their fault.

Only difference is, the "instructor" here is isn't going to save you if you decide to jump in without knowing what you're doing.

By the way, I believe I said it already, but the tracking tool really is top notch. However, it does have some limitations (to the free model).

Just checking in to make sure everything's cool in terms of customer support.

If anyone needs help, I'm at superbadkern@gmail.com

All I can say they make if fun and simple. It's great content, fun to watch and easy follow. I've already seeing a return on one of my niches. After watching the videos it's straight to the point no fluff.

Thanks Frank and Trey

I just read an absolutely fascinating post from Frank on his Mass Control site on the real story behind the FTC bust of his back in 2003. And I must confess I'm a bit embarrassed as I've been busting his ass all over the net on that one. I don't agree with some of the stuff he does but overall I find him highly entertaining and a bloody good marketer. And writer. So read this post. Here's an excerpt - From http://masscontrolsite.com/blog/?p=57

I found Franks support system to be spot on. fast and efficient. I had no problems with the support system and the videos were great.

One of the best things about Infomillionaire is that nobody ever cancels their subscription (except the 2 or 3 people who said they did in this threat.)

So, Frank & Trey - when will you open up an affiliate program for IM2?

Cheers,
Thomas

Dude,

I will start the Screw Google method very soon....
But i would like some recomendations

1 - Product to start

2 - Amount of cash to start

is 50 USD a good start?

thanks all

Frank or Trey.

LittleMike said a bunch of things about SG system and you guys didnt even answer back, i think many members here are a little concern with yours guys silence on this matter.

PS: I dont think LittleMike is right on any point.

I've got a question for you Frank or Trey, if you're still reading this. Let's say we do campaigns like you recommend where we target huge numbers of low cost, but also low traffic keywords.

It seems like a cool strategy, because if you have 17,000 keywords producing an average of only 1 visitor a month, that's still enough traffic to make 85 sales at 1/2% conversion. If the average cost was only $.10, then the traffic cost $1,700.

Anything over a $20 commission in that example is profit. If we chose a product that pays $50 a sale, we make a $2,550 profit. That's great so far, if that all works out.

However, the next step is to refine the process, "trim the fat" as you say. Figure out where the sales are coming from, and eliminate unprofitable keywords.

Sounds great but I'm not sure how accurate you can be in figuring profitability when your traffic is spread out among so many keywords.

In other words, even if the salespage converts at a whopping 4%, that means on average you need at least 25 clicks to get a single sale.

So if each cheap keyword produces an average of 1 click a month, to give it a fair shake you need at least 25 months to test it. Otherwise, maybe which ones produced sales are due to random chance, rather than indicating their superiority.

I hope that's clear enough. I guess I'm thinking if you're bidding a dime or less for huge numbers of obscure keywords that get tiny trickles of traffic, maybe you have to look at them over a much longer period, like a couple of years, to really know that you have a meaningful sample, and can confidently "trim the fat". Thoughts?

Guy look up "Is New Money Masters TRULY what you think it is?" at google.

this guy is talking about how Frank Kern method will not work that well...
Im really confused now

I signed up for the $1 trial and watched all the videos during the trial.
They have a totally cool method for doing keyword research, and then submitting
the keywords to Yahoo at rock bottom prices and tracking the results.

Money is tight for me right now, so I had to cancel. I had no problems at all.
Their system rocks. It's totally worth checking out and if you have to cancel,
you won't have any problems.