Anyone checked out WebinarJEO?

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Hi,

Back when plugins to wrap Google hangouts were first coming out Walt Bayliss brought out Hangout Plugin which then morphed into RunClick.

His latest offering is a Webinar platform that is cloud based and rather than using hangouts or Youtube to broadcast your webinar he has developed the platform around using Amazon AWS.

This eliminates the lag that is experienced when using the hangout based webinar platforms like Easy webinar Plugin or WebinarJam for example.

There are a few other features like a whiteboard option to run on top of your broadcast so you can write notes live.

Anyway I was wondering if anyone has given it a go yet?

Best regards,

Ozi
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  • Profile picture of the author stabilus
    Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

    Hi,

    Back when plugins to wrap Google hangouts were first coming out Walt Bayliss brought out Hangout Plugin which then morphed into RunClick.

    His latest offering is a Webinar platform that is cloud based and rather than using hangouts or Youtube to broadcast your webinar he has developed the platform around using Amazon AWS.

    This eliminates the lag that is experienced when using the hangout based webinar platforms like Easy webinar Plugin or WebinarJam for example.

    There are a few other features like a whiteboard option to run on top of your broadcast so you can write notes live.

    Anyway I was wondering if anyone has given it a go yet?

    Best regards,

    Ozi
    I have. Purchased it on launch day and was totally hyped to get it started.

    I have run a multitude of tests and had a few quick and good results at the beginning. In the meantime, (perhaps with more users using it?) I started to get less reliable results (like you start the webinar but nobody can see the video...

    I must have issued about 25 support tickets, of which a few have been resolved. Support is very friendly and usually replies within 24 hours. The resolution turn-around when the issue needs to go to development, clearly takes longer.

    There is a feature that allows you to present your webinars within your wordpress blog. This started to work for me today. Unfortunately, I could not complete testing as the video did not play.

    In my view, there are a few logical inconsistencies when it comes to running recorded webinars (either as ever-green or as replay). The flow between confirmations and the text the viewer receives are the same for each situation and may confuse.

    I had also purchased the OTO - the $97 templates add-on. Unfortunately, I cannot comment yet as I have not gotten access to that part yet.

    The software holds a lot of good features and the fact that you can run unlimited webinars (unlimited attendees, unlimited webinars, apparently also unlimited storage) at a price that is less than a third of the cheapest GoToWebinar (limited to 100 attendees) subscription, is great.

    When the video does work, the lag time is between 3-6 seconds on a different computer. This makes webinars live and interactive and compares very favorably to any google hangouts based platform which creates a lag of between 30-60 seconds. The lag experienced on an iphone was between 20-40 seconds (through WiFi).

    I get the impression that the product can be really great once the kinks have been dealt with. The pricing is currently 297 per year and will be grandfathered indefinitely. After launch the price should go up to 497. So, while getting in early you may experience some launch pains, it may still make sense to reserve your unlimited seat at this price level.
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    • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
      Originally Posted by stabilus View Post

      I have. Purchased it on launch day and was totally hyped to get it started.

      I have run a multitude of tests and had a few quick and good results at the beginning. In the meantime, (perhaps with more users using it?) I started to get less reliable results (like you start the webinar but nobody can see the video...

      When the video does work, the lag time is between 3-6 seconds on a different computer. This makes webinars live and interactive and compares very favorably to any google hangouts based platform which creates a lag of between 30-60 seconds. The lag experienced on an iphone was between 20-40 seconds (through WiFi).
      Thanks Stabilus,

      Can I ask about how the interface works with Amazon?

      Are you streaming your video via your own S3 account and how does WebinarJeo connect with your S3 account or it it using one of the other AWS services to stream the live video content?

      Another question I had was in relation to choice of cameras.

      Have you tried using multiple web-cams or other cameras connected connected to your computer?

      I currently do some broadcasts using webinarJam with three cameras and switch between menus in GoogleHangouts.

      I'm wondering how the choice of camera input or audio input is handled if I want to have multi-presenters with a variety of Cameras or audio inputs.

      One of the big selling points of WJeo is the reduction in lag so it is interesting to note your observations in relation to the lag time.

      I also noted when I watched the "replay" of the webinar from the sales page it wasn't like the Evergreen experience you get with Everwebinar which runs as a replica live but can stream your prerecorded content from S3 pretty much flawlessly.

      Thanks again for your responses.

      Kind regards,

      Ozi
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      • Profile picture of the author stabilus
        Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

        Thanks Stabilus,

        Can I ask about how the interface works with Amazon?

        Are you streaming your video via your own S3 account and how does WebinarJeo connect with your S3 account or it it using one of the other AWS services to stream the live video content?

        Another question I had was in relation to choice of cameras.

        Have you tried using multiple web-cams or other cameras connected connected to your computer?

        I currently do some broadcasts using webinarJam with three cameras and switch between menus in GoogleHangouts.

        I'm wondering how the choice of camera input or audio input is handled if I want to have multi-presenters with a variety of Cameras or audio inputs.

        One of the big selling points of WJeo is the reduction in lag so it is interesting to note your observations in relation to the lag time.

        I also noted when I watched the "replay" of the webinar from the sales page it wasn't like the Evergreen experience you get with Everwebinar which runs as a replica live but can stream your prerecorded content from S3 pretty much flawlessly.

        Thanks again for your responses.

        Kind regards,

        Ozi
        It really works quite simply. While it reportedly runs through AWS (servers and presumably streaming) it uses its own infrastructure. Each webinar runs in its own instance. You do not need your AWS account and you do not pay separate for streaming or storage. Really a big plus from my perspective. Although I am also not sure whether this is a sustainable business model for Walt...

        I can't help you as regards audio and webcam input switching. I am just running my one cam and a separate microphone.

        Playback from replay worked pretty flawlessly for me.
        The integration with autoresponders is ok. So, you can forward your registrants to getresponse, etc. very easily.

        A feature request I have placed is regarding switching presenters (online). Right now, there is only one presenter (for both video and audio) at a time. To get the audio of a different person, you have to switch the presenter role, which is not conducive to a conversation. So there is no real 2-way communication possible yet.

        However, you can incorporate google hangouts and make it part of your webinar. In that mode you stream to youtube air, share the youtube hangouts link for the viewers, invite up to 9 other concurrent presenters (with which you can converse) and use JEO's instant textchat window. One test worked for me, anotherone did not.

        Update as per June 9: many issues are still open and not fixed. One major problem is the fact that since June 3, I cannot run new webinars anymore. After an update of my Chrome browser to the latest version, my videostream is not published anymore (no cam, no whiteboard, no screensharing). The service does not work properly in any of the other browsers either. The developers are on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wizardofwisdom
    Thanks for your comprehensive replies on this thread, Stabilus. These are the REAL reviews - unbiased and based on experience.

    I've just sent in a strong support ticket to the Webinar Jeo team since running my first webinar with the platform on Friday, (June 10th). Whilst most attendees seemed to receive my broadcast okay, one had sound but a blank screen with a "server error" message on it, whilst another said he could only hear about every third word and had to leave the webinar.

    Adding to the difficulty is that the replay registration won't work, (I've tested in Chrome and Firefox). When I do a dummy login as a user I get another "server error" page instead of the confirmation "thank you" page.

    Also, there seems to be no way to add the offer buttons to the replay, (a feature which webinarfusionpro has and is very useful), so I've yet to figure out how to replicate offers via the Jeo replay, if they ever get it working.

    Meanwhile, I've had to download the mp4 of my recorded webinar and manually upload it to Youtube, (the Jeo platform failed to achieve that despite offering me that option as soon as I ended the webinar - the recording was nowhere to be found on YT).

    So far, hangouts with webinarfusionpro (for which I paid a one off lifetime license fee), is MUCH better, although I do like Walt's dashboard, but that counts for nothing if participants can't see or hear at the time of broadcast!

    I spend a lot of blood, sweat, tears and even money putting a webinar together and driving traffic to it - and I have to be able to trust that the technology that makes it go when I push that "start" button is robust and reliable.

    I'm teetering on asking for a refund, but I'll be interested to see what their support comes back with and what other users add to this thread over the coming days.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
    I have used several different webinar platforms and was holding off on getting WebinarJEO to see how things panned out.

    Inside the Facebook group for WebinarJam there was an announcement that they would be making WebinarJam available to use without having to rely on G hangouts. They say 3 weeks or so before it is upgraded.

    The evergreen version of WebinarJam already uses Amazon S3 to host webinars for replay/evergreen purposes so I guess it is only a matter of time before they have similar functionality inside their live platform.

    Best regards,

    Ozi
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  • Profile picture of the author Wizardofwisdom
    I'm sticking with Webinarfusionpro for the time being.

    I've just had a two sentence reply from Webinar Jeo support saying the "issue" (there were at least 3 I told them about), had been fixed and would I now test it.

    So I set up a test webinar with myself as the only "guest" and opened my guest screen in an incognito window.

    When I started the webinar I appeared fine on camera on the admin screen, but a black, blank, "server not found" error appeared on the guest screen. (This happened to one of my real viewers on the only webinar I've so far run on the platform. Utterly unacceptable and totally out of my control, of course.)

    Then I tried logging into the evergreen replay of the real webinar I'd run. This wasn't working last time either - I'd get a different but equally frustrating "server not found" error page where the thank you page should have been.

    This time, there were no time or date menus to select from, despite carefully setting it up on a 3 day rolling program with 4 different time slots inside the Webinar Jeo dashboard. So I couldn't enrol myself.

    I was able to get in only by selecting "I prefer to watch now." This did work, (no need for a thank you page, of course), but the evergreen experience is ruined by a chatbox that says, "This is a recording."

    And I can see no way to promote offers from the recordings, which webinarfusionpro very conveniently has.

    So far, my scoring for Webinar Jeo:

    Sales pitch, presell demo and hype = 10/10
    Product itself .................................. = 3/10 (The dashboard is very clear and simple to use)
    Support .......................................... = 2/10 They DO respond eventually, but their information is scant and uninformative.

    Sadly, looks like I'm in for a refund. I really wanted there to be a decent working alternative to Gotowebinar, but Jeo doesn't look like it's the one.

    Whilst they may well iron out the kinks eventually, I can't risk my business and waste my money while they do.

    What a pity.

    Just as a footnote - Webinarfusionpro is clunky too and their support is not great. In fact I don't even know if their support exists any more. Which maybe a good thing because I've almost never had to use it. On the one occasion I did, I ended up on a long Skype conversation with one of their guys who promised me faithfully they'd update the issue, (to do with their registration page templates), which they have never fulfilled. I use my own hosted registration pages - theirs are awful. But not a deal breaker.
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  • Profile picture of the author magentawave
    Is anyone still using the old Evergreen Business Systems (EBS) that is now called EverWebinar?
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    • Profile picture of the author Wizardofwisdom
      Originally Posted by magentawave View Post

      Is anyone still using the old Evergreen Business Systems (EBS) that is now called EverWebinar?
      No ... but I see it's part of the Webinarjam family. Does that mean Webinarjam doesn't have its own evergreen facility?

      At least Webinar Jeo and Webinarfusionpro have those built in. (As did Walt Bayliss' last offering, "Runclick.")
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      • Profile picture of the author magentawave
        Originally Posted by Wizardofwisdom View Post

        No ... but I see it's part of the Webinarjam family. Does that mean Webinarjam doesn't have its own evergreen facility?

        At least Webinar Jeo and Webinarfusionpro have those built in. (As did Walt Bayliss' last offering, "Runclick.")
        I bought EBS a few years ago when it first came out when the price was really low. I am finally going to use it for something. It looks to me like the old EBS is now called EverWebinar with updated themes and a monthly fee.
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        • Profile picture of the author Wizardofwisdom
          Originally Posted by magentawave View Post

          I bought EBS a few years ago when it first came out when the price was really low. I am finally going to use it for something. It looks to me like the old EBS is now called EverWebinar with updated themes and a monthly fee.
          Let us know how it pans out! Looks like EverWebinar is only for pre-recorded/evergreen webinars, but perhaps I missed something when I looked at the sales page.

          Not for me, though.
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    Yes, EverWebinar is only for evergreen webinars.
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  • Profile picture of the author stabilus
    I kept quiet for a while because I really wanted webinarjeo to work and give it a chance to start playing nice. But what looked initially like a great concept with some starting kinks is now, a month into the ballgame, mainly just kinks. During these last 30 days I must have filed some 50 support tickets each one of them explaining one single problem. Support is answering them within 24 to 48 hours, but it is mostly "we have the developers look into it".

    While one of the major early problems (video stream not transmitting) has been fixed and while I can live with some others or work around them, the majority of the issues I am experiencing has been there and remains there unchanged and they are real deal breakers.I have not dared to hold a live webinar yet. I am talking about illogical flows, premium templates not working, pre-recorded webinars not working, recording the promotional video not saving, the option to include the audio stream of other participants (to enable a conversation) still missing and many, really many details not working properly.

    Right after launch, I understand if you have some issues. After all you get bombarded with the mass and may get confronted with strange new issues. But to see so many flaws unaddressed after a whole month makes me wonder whether Walt should have delayed the launch once more and done some extensive (external) testing instead.
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    • Profile picture of the author Wizardofwisdom
      Originally Posted by stabilus View Post

      While one of the major early problems (video stream not transmitting) has been fixed and while I can live with some others or work around them, the majority of the issues I am experiencing has been there and remains there unchanged and they are real deal breakers.I have not dared to hold a live webinar yet.
      Thanks so much for the update.

      Darn it! I was really hoping Webinarjeo was going to work.

      I ran one webinar and it was disastrous. I haven't dared run another. Walt has refunded me one month's money (after I wrote saying I didn't see why I should pay for a service that's broken), but we're about to hit another month and, like you, I'm getting "we're working on it" messages.

      The last reply I got suggests the problems I'm having, (which include camera mode not recording at all, or simply freezing), are unique to my setup and I was told that they have "thousands of satisfied customers."

      Not what you want to hear.

      I'll be cancelling before my next monthly payment is due, (thank God I went for monthly payments rather than a year's contract), unless I hear back from them today.

      I'm SO disappointed. The webinar market is crying out for this and I thought Walt had nailed it this time. Looks like it's going to be back to hangouts though. They're clunky, but at least I can rely on their clunkiness!
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      • Profile picture of the author Wizardofwisdom
        A quick P.S. ... It would be great to hear from at least ONE of those "thousands of satisfied customers." Is there anyone who can vouch for Webinarjeo? (Apart from Walt, WJ affiliates and his team, of course!)
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        • Profile picture of the author Blazon1
          Originally Posted by Wizardofwisdom View Post

          A quick P.S. ... It would be great to hear from at least ONE of those "thousands of satisfied customers." Is there anyone who can vouch for Webinarjeo? (Apart from Walt, WJ affiliates and his team, of course!)

          Not necessarily vouching for WJEO but I was on a webinar today that used that platform, and for the most part, it seemed to run pretty well. But this is a view from "the other side" rather than the user side.
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          • Profile picture of the author Wizardofwisdom
            Originally Posted by Blazon1 View Post

            Not necessarily vouching for WJEO but I was on a webinar today that used that platform, and for the most part, it seemed to run pretty well. But this is a view from "the other side" rather than the user side.
            For the most part? Better than a Google hangout?

            I'd be interested to know if the presenter used camera mode. That's the one that causes the most problems for me.
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            • Profile picture of the author Blazon1
              Originally Posted by Wizardofwisdom View Post

              For the most part? Better than a Google hangout?

              I'd be interested to know if the presenter used camera mode. That's the one that causes the most problems for me.

              Not sure about what mode he used - he was showing his screen, so maybe camera mode? And I said "for the most part" because there was one instance where the presenter dropped out, but it may have been something he did as opposed to a problem with WJEO (he didn't complain about the software at all). And some little dropouts with sound, but you get those with GTW and Hangouts, too.
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              • Profile picture of the author stabilus
                June 5: I haven't heard from support for over 10 days for any of the outstanding issues.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wizardofwisdom
    In the interest of fairness, I must report that this morning, (after some nagging on my part), I have been offered a 1 on 1 Skype session so we can screen share and take an in depth look at the issues I'm having with Webinarjeo.

    That does finally feel like true customer support, although I don't know if I'd ever have got it if I hadn't kept the pressure up.

    But I'm relieved to know help is on the way, (later today). I'll let you know how it goes.
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  • Profile picture of the author joansmith
    Webinar jeo is a great software for making webinar Congratulations , keep going
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    Have you guys seen this Appsumo deal yet? I figured it's a good replacement for WebinarJEO and Hangouts.

    You would sell your kids for this lifetime deal (Luckily, you don't have to)

    $49 lifetime access to WebinarNinja.
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    • Profile picture of the author Wizardofwisdom
      Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

      Have you guys seen this Appsumo deal yet? I figured it's a good replacement for WebinarJEO and Hangouts.

      You would sell your kids for this lifetime deal (Luckily, you don't have to)

      $49 lifetime access to WebinarNinja.
      Thanks, but I think it might be an "out of the frying pan, into the fire" option to switch. Read some of the comments below the offer - there are some serious limitations and some people are finding bugs too. There just is no perfect system, it seems.
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    • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
      Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

      Have you guys seen this Appsumo deal yet? I figured it's a good replacement for WebinarJEO and Hangouts.

      You would sell your kids for this lifetime deal (Luckily, you don't have to)

      $49 lifetime access to WebinarNinja.
      I saw that, but as someone else said....100 users is the max.

      But if a person's business model isn't about big numbers, it can be a good deal.

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      • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
        Originally Posted by Charles Harper View Post

        I saw that, but as someone else said....100 users is the max.

        But if a person's business model isn't about big numbers, it can be a good deal.

        Charles
        Yup, live webinars have a 100 user max and limit of 2 hours. Evergreen webinars have no limits. I'm ok with that for $49 lifetime. Perfect solution for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author magentawave
      Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

      Have you guys seen this Appsumo deal yet? I figured it's a good replacement for WebinarJEO and Hangouts.

      You would sell your kids for this lifetime deal (Luckily, you don't have to)

      $49 lifetime access to WebinarNinja.
      Has anyone seen what their perpetual webinar looks like? Does it have all the features that EBS and Everwebinar have, like fake chat, etc?
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        Originally Posted by magentawave View Post

        Has anyone seen what their perpetual webinar looks like? Does it have all the features that EBS and Everwebinar have, like fake chat, etc?
        No, it's not as comprehensive as theirs. I created a demo "Anytime Access" webinar here so you can see the user perspective on those:

        https://go.webinarninja.co/my/wnwebi...binar_id=11656

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  • Profile picture of the author Wizardofwisdom
    To update folks on the support situation:

    I did finally get some personal attention (on Skype) from Webinarjeo support. The guy was super helpful, pleasant and polite.

    I gave them feedback, (which they always ask for), and told them that although I was satisfied with the help, it should have been offered within days, not after weeks of my cajoling.

    The problem, incidentally, turned out to be a broadband speed issue which I can do very little about due to my geographical location, but at least I know what the issue is, and as long as I stick to screenshare mode I should be ok.
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  • Profile picture of the author stabilus
    It's now been 3 weeks without an answer from support despite several follow-up mails from me.Walt, I know you pick this up with repwarn (webinarjeo). Why don't you jump in here?

    Update: July 15: I see that some of the issues have been fixed now, although apparently support still does not speak with me ( I probably am a person non grata after the comments in here...). The issues addressed and corrected are:
    - I finally have the "invite an attendee to be a presenter" (meant as an audio presenter) icon, which now allows for multi audio presentations.
    - I also found the timing issue in the calendar file that sets the outlook calendar corrected.

    These are great updates. Thanks for that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Wizardofwisdom
      Originally Posted by stabilus View Post

      It's now been 3 weeks without an answer from support despite several follow-up mails from me.Walt, I know you pick this up with repwarn (webinarjeo). Why don't you jump in here?
      I've just had a long email conversation with Walt over several days.

      (This followed a disastrous attempt by me to run a webinar and when I launched no "start" buttons appeared on my screen. It transpires that I'd left the Webinarjeo dashboard tab open but had been logged out due to my prolonged absence from the computer prior to opening my webinar. Apparently you can be logged out but the dashboard will still look as though it's live.)

      Anyway, Walt was very helpful and engaged professionally with me throughout. Once I'd understood the cause of the problem. As the conversation drew to a close, I told him about my concerns with his support team also.

      That very morning, a ticket I'd submitted was closed for no obvious reason. The issue is regarding a discrepancy between people registering for my webinar - for which I received the correct Aweber alert - but only half of them showed up in the corresponding Webinarjeo dashboard and then only many hours later.

      I had had a reply saying it would be referred to the developers, but then suddenly it was closed and I received the request for feedback!

      There is another which I am still waiting to hear back about, in this instance to do with the "[TIME]" shortcode telling the wrong time in the emails it sends out. Again, an acknowledgement but many days later, no action has been taken that I'm aware of.

      Walt has told me he will personally look into these, so I'm hopeful he will be good to his word and some action will be taken. I also hope that he puts a strong toe up the behind of that team - they are seriously hampering his reputation.

      In a perfect world, Webinarjeo would have been launched by Rapidcrush, (Jason Fladlien & Wilson Mattos), whose support is unbelievably fast and reliable.

      But then it would have been ten times the price probably.

      Fingers crossed that some action gets taken and matters improve. There are still a lot of bugs in that platform.
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    Hi Guys, thanks for the updates.
    Issues are always being resolved and as
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    Mentioned there was some user settings and issues being dealt with as well.
    please know - we aren't going anywhere.
    All issues are logged and worked to a resolution.

    There are many (many!) successful events being run.

    Our support desk (as also noted)
    has had a big influx - but personal assistance is given and is friendly and helpful.
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    • Profile picture of the author walterbayliss
      Originally Posted by siyaab View Post

      It really works quite simply. While it reportedly runs through AWS (servers and presumably streaming) it uses its own infrastructure. Each webinar runs in its own instance. You do not need your AWS account and you do not pay separate for streaming or storage. Really a big plus from my perspective. Although I am also not sure whether this is a sustainable business model for Walt.
      It is with a critical mass.
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