Cell Phone Cash - What is This?

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This is a product from the creator of MaverickMoneyMakers(MMM), Mack Michaels.

What do you think about the product? It looks real good; And check out the 2nd video where he reveals his ClickBank account. Smoking hot account!

The non-Link:
http://cellphonecash.maverickcoaching.com/offers/index.php

I want to know what you think, and I am NOT promoting this offer.

Interesting Assessment:
Originally Posted by OnlineMarketingSys View Post

Let's end this Tomfoolery /n pl : 1. Foolish bahavior 2. Something trivial or foolish;nonsense Directly from Admob- This system is fundamentally flawed and will NOT work.

So let's get down to examining this system, along with the support staff from Admob and their response in their own words. So the creator of this system reports astonishing results, which all but one person here has been unable to reproduce. So who's right and who's wrong? And what does the advertising network say (remember these are the guy's that have all the numbers and stats). We'll look at all of this, as well as the question "why does my advertising budget get exhausted in 5-60 minutes, when none of my adwords campaigns or ppc campaigns do"

Here is Admob's answer Taken from their official support - Google Group.

AdMob Advertiser Discuss | Google Groups (From the topic:
Advertiser Best Practices When Promoting Free vs. Paid Applications Options)

or directly from Admob's site AdMob - Help

"There are essentially two types of applications an advertiser can advertise, Free or Paid. Depending on the application, conversion rates for free apps are typically around 10%, but vary from 5-20% depending on the app. This means that for every 100 people who click on your advertisement, roughly 10 will install your app."

So in other words, if I am giving away my application it's going to cost me roughtly $3.00 to aquire 10 new users or $30 to aquire 100 new users. So let's say we have a email submit offer, after scrubbing (were likely going to be left with 6/10 leads if not less). So we hopefully would make $6 - $3 for advertising = $3.00 Net. Now that is if we are lucky!

Even worse: For the Clickbank method that has been advised to us:

"Historically, conversion rates are far lower for paid apps with generally only 1% of clicks converting into paid customers. This means that for every 100 people who click on your advertisement, roughly 1 will install your app. For many paid apps, this may result in a cost per acquisition that may be higher than the sales price of the app. "

Ok, one word that comes to mind is WOW. Now to examine this: The first thing to notice is these are for applications, meaning the customer only has to click on the application and their purchase is electronically debited from the Apps store. So no entering customer information, credit card info, ect on a small mobile device. Not to mention most of these paid applications are between 99cents-$5.00 max. We are asking customers to pay in some cases 10 times as much...

So guess what folks, in our case the conversion rate is going to be even less that 1%, if we are lucky maybe a .5% or less. OUCH!

But for illustration purposes let's say we spend $50 in advertising and see what we are left with.

$50 = 1250 clicks at .04 cents. Which should give us 12 sales roughly. Now keep in mind the average cost of an application in the App store is $0.99

So we effectively spent $50 to make $12. Resulting in a NET LOSS of $38. Which closely matches what Admob's own support group mentioned :For many paid apps, this may result in a cost per acquisition that may be higher than the sales price of the app.

Second let's examine the leads:
Users have been reporting that $50 in leads get blown away almost instantly. Whereas most adwords campaigns run for at least a day. So clearly the leads are very untargetted, and don't convert. Just think - how does 100,000 impressions get made within minutes it's astonishing. Here are just a few recaps of users experiences. You can find more if you Google "Admob results".

1st Candidate:
The ad was live for about 30 minutes. It received
26,815 impressions
with 200 clicks resulting in an average
CTR of 0.75% with an average
CPC of $0.50.

On Thursday, I received the sales numbers for Wednesday's BlackBook sales. They were a disappointing 16 sales. We average about that or more per day for the BlackBook, without the ads. Since we sell the BlackBook for 99 cents, we only make 70 cents per sale. With 16 sales, we made $11.20. $11.20 minus the $100 in ads, turns out to an $88.80 loss on the campaign.

2nd Candidate:
ran an ad in the US only.
He promoted a game that cost $0.99

Day before: 11 sales.
584 Clicks and $29.20 poorer ...
Next day 6 sales.
Conversion rate -5 ?
NET RESULT : LOSS ON CAMPAIGN

3rd Candidate:
What were the results?:
Targeted us: 20cents per click
Impressions: 45,000
Clicks 200
Cost $50

Non targetted :$0.04 click
Impressions: 178,418
Clicks 1,159
CTR 0.65%
Cost $50.00

Not so bad I thought, but... wait a minute, how many people bought your app?, you might think. What is the return of my investment with admob? The results are nothing but simply INCREDIBLE. The sales of my $100 USD Advertising campaign were: 2

So let me Ask you a question Admob.... Do you mean that after I've spent ONE HUNDRED BUCKS in advertising with you, I get $1.4 USD???? NET LOSS $98.60


Recap:

So if your going to invest in this system, just remember that your actions may be Tomfoolery. No one here has reported earnings from using this system (other than stephan and he's advertising the product), nor does Admobs own support group using their mathmatical and quantitative factual evidence support this system.

I personally would love to see someone actually prove both Admobs and my assessment wrong. But until more people start reporting positive results or someone can vouch for the campaigns. We are left with both the facts and figures that the ad network provided and the thousands of dollars they have watched of advertising flow through their netowrks.

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  • Profile picture of the author kbs
    I recieved the same e-mail today and I imagine it will be pushed by all the Gurus. I would be careful w/ clickbank stats, I've never been the same since I've been shown how easily they can be faked. But I do agree that the idea is noteworthy.
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  • Profile picture of the author dozierdd
    I think cell phone cash could be pretty huge. I joined it yesterday when I received the email and have already made a couple dollars promoting it. The cell phone industry is going to do nothing but grow and cell phone cash offers a great way to tap into it.
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    • Profile picture of the author maverick4u
      Originally Posted by dozierdd View Post

      I think cell phone cash could be pretty huge. I joined it yesterday when I received the email and have already made a couple dollars promoting it. The cell phone industry is going to do nothing but grow and cell phone cash offers a great way to tap into it.
      Do you mean you made a couple of dollars selling the Cell Phone Cash system or actually using it to promote a product? I'm interested in learning if anyone has actually used it as a marketing medium to sucessfully promote a product.
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    • Profile picture of the author femchie2
      Originally Posted by dozierdd View Post

      I think cell phone cash could be pretty huge. I joined it yesterday when I received the email and have already made a couple dollars promoting it. The cell phone industry is going to do nothing but grow and cell phone cash offers a great way to tap into it.
      Hmm since 2008, you're just making your first post...and that is to tell us you joined and have made money promoting it? Can you at least tell us more about what the concept is without giving too much away? That would be great.

      Femi
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  • Profile picture of the author Augydog
    I think the program has a lot of potential, I'm about to join, just want to see what the process that's involved and what I can leverage & learn.
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    • Profile picture of the author neuline
      Hi everyone,

      I bought the Cell Phone Cash system today and I'm still fuming. Never have I been so mad at a IM offer. In my opinion, the ad for this course is extremely misleading, if not at total lie. But that's my opinion and I'll let you be the judge of that. If bringing out the facts of this marketing sham gets me banned from the forum, then so be it. I'm just writing the truth and I think that the other members of this forum have the right to hear that truth and make their own minds up.

      In his ad, Michaels says that the cost of the course, which consists of 7 modules, is $24.97. He then goes on to say (and I quote) "All that for only $24.97, and you'll also get new training modules each and every month for just $24.97 to always keep you ahead of the game."

      Remember that word "also" in the above quote? Well, guess what? When you sign up, you only get one of the 7 training modules that he promised. The other six are those "new training modules" that he talked about and they will be opened on a timed sequence throughout the next 3 months.

      Obviously, those "new training modules" are, in reality, the original course modules (you know - the ones that you paid the original $25.00 dollars for). This actually makes the cost of the course $100.00 (the first $25.00 and then 3 other payments to cover the 90-day period).

      Now, if he wanted to charge $100.00 for the course, fine. Just tell me that, and I can then make my mind up about it. Just don't tell that the course is $25.00 and then withhold the course from me until I fork over another $75.00. Talk about extortion!

      I was also perturbed by this marketing ploy because I'm in some tough financial straits right now and I need to get money NOW - not 100 days from now. I guess that the millionaire "gurus" just don't get that part of it.

      At any rate, I'm done with my rant. I just wanted everyone else to know the truth (or lack thereof) about the ad. And this is too bad because, from what I can see from the first module, this has the potential to be a very good course. Its only his marketing ploy that I have a problem with. I hope this helps.
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      • Profile picture of the author femchie2
        ...well let's just hope you don't get banned.

        But thanks for letting us know about the structure of the modules...even though another person said they got all 7 modules. Interesting!

        Femi
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        • Profile picture of the author Zane Shikara
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          • Profile picture of the author femchie2
            Originally Posted by Zane Shikara View Post

            hi I just visit your easy video membership website and I like it so much iam currently looking to open a membership site can you please let me know what software or platform did you use for your membership site I appreciate your help

            Hi Zane,

            Sorry for my very late response..I just returned from a one week trip!

            I used Mike Filsaime's Butterfly Marketing Script (the first version) as it had all the bells and whistles I was looking for in a membership script. PM me if you have any other questions as I don't want to change the purpose of this thread. Cheers!

            - Femi
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        • Profile picture of the author robyrobertson
          Originally Posted by femchie2 View Post

          ...well let's just hope you don't get banned.

          But thanks for letting us know about the structure of the modules...even though another person said they got all 7 modules. Interesting!

          Femi
          I found the same to be true. Got the first module and had to wait a week for the next one etc. I found that much of the information was good but that the sales content was misleading for what actually had to be done to promote products on Admob. Spent 50.00 at first only to learn in a later module that I should not have done it. Wish I had had the entire course to look at first. Howeve, this was my bad...

          I cancelled my membership to concentrate on the other side of my business. I think cell phone marketing will be huge but it takes a whole lot more than you think...
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          • Profile picture of the author JazzOscar
            Originally Posted by robyrobertson View Post

            -----Spent 50.00 at first only to learn in a later module that I should not have done it. Wish I had had the entire course to look at first. Howeve, this was my bad...-----
            I never bought this course, so I don't know the exact structure of it.

            I wonder though how you can think it's your bad following bad advice from the author of the course during the course, at least if you're not told by the author to do nothing until you've been through the whole course.
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      • Profile picture of the author stefanjames
        You get 7 training videos upfront so you can get started making money right away and so you don't get confused jumping around to different modules. I actually think it's pretty smart to do it that way to keep people focused.
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        • Profile picture of the author Nomad Warrior
          stefanjames sounds to me like you're drinking a bit too much of Mack's cool aid buddy... but if you really are making money with Mack's methods... AWESOME!
          would you mind showing us some real stats to support the claim?

          in my testing... the numbers simply do NOT add up.
          I am getting the same results as those posted by Gary and SRLee

          tonio79 I am with you based on my experience as well (and yes... I bought the product)

          Folks... this is NOT a $25 product!
          you need to pay MONTHLY $25
          this was mis-represented in the sales letter and video pitch
          BAD BAD BAD

          I paid for the course and watched (module 1) ALL the videos (in module 1) and acted on them as well in order to give fellow warriors some insight into reality.
          Total time invested... an hour and a half

          Mack also throws in a PDF with 50 tips on making money that is worth... about 50 cents... if you don't mind frequent misspellings and grammar errors which a respectable TEACHER / MENTOR / COACH simply would not tolerate since such actions diminish reputation as fast as admob gobbles up our deposits.

          So, thus far, I spent $500 in admob advertising and managed to get all but 2 ads out of 12 approved. I ran those ads for the past 3 days and earned... drum roll please....

          zero

          none of the offers converted!
          CTR was under 2% for most offers so there is traffic out there that will click on ads but I expect that there is also a huge amount of fraud as well.

          Free Trials did not convert (probably due to the shipping fees)
          email offers did not convert (no obvious reason other than perhaps slow page load on cell networks)
          zip submits did not convert (no idea why... probably same as email offer issue)
          CB offers did not convert (probably due to tonio79's comments)

          hope this insight into my personal 3 days of testing helps a few of you out there... and yes... I will continue testing a few more CPA offers just to be sure

          the main issue I have is zero sales after... 476,000 impressions generating 3800 clicks
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        • Profile picture of the author momoneymoproblems
          Originally Posted by stefanjames View Post

          You get 7 training videos upfront so you can get started making money right away and so you don't get confused jumping around to different modules. I actually think it's pretty smart to do it that way to keep people focused.
          **Erm, no you dont!!

          you get one and all the others say "This Training Will Be Unlocked On Week 2/3/4/5/6/7"

          Not sure if you have to pay for the extra ones or what???

          At first I was VERY skeptical, but after searching online my heart sank bigtime! (

          I do so hope I haven't been suckered into yet another online scamming system

          It remains to be seen whether magic will unlock the other videos or my credit card?? if so is it automatic payment??

          Damn this is looking grim to say the least! (

          any advice?

          Cheers

          Mo-money mo probelms huh?
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          • Profile picture of the author netprofitz
            Originally Posted by dannynz View Post

            I am just starting to reviewed week 6 of the course and it doesn't look that promising. Very little information that deals direct with issues we are still facing here - i.e. very little sales results.
            It would be good if Mach could give us a case study, but I doubt that's going to happen.
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      • Profile picture of the author dozierdd
        femchie2,

        Hey I saw a comment here about the product while searching for something else on google and since I had just purchased it I thought I'd drop my two cents.

        The product has a lot of potential. As you can imagine the cell phone industry is huge and to have the insight on how to tap into this market with affiliate products is great.

        I saw where neuline commented about the product modules and that information is false. You start with module 1 and you are served 1 new module every 7 days. So if you are actually working the program and not trying to skip through it, you get a week to complete a module before the next module is made available. It's just like in school when the teacher asked you to read chapter 1 and learn it before skimming through the rest of the book and think you know it all.

        Yes the money that I have made wasn't from cell phones, but from the actual cell phone cash product affiliate program. Affiliate marketing is what I do, so when I saw this I invested in it to learn and started marketing it to share. But earning some money within 12hrs of purchasing the product is a good testament to how marketable this is going to be.

        I don't use PPC so in order to get on the bus organically you must move fast. I don't know how long I can hold it but if you put "Cell Phone Cash Review" into google my article holds top rank. Of course by the end of the day it might be gone, but at least I've gotten a few sales from my efforts.
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        • Profile picture of the author WealthWinners
          I actually stumbled on the first 2 posts to this thread this morning when I started researching this program.

          I decided to jump on as an affiliate, but more importantly I wanted to see what was "inside", as I wanted to write a real review by actually using it. So I took the plunge.

          Now I will say up front, I am not a fan of looooong sales pages. So I watched the vids, and skimmed. I didn't catch the part about it being monthly until I actually had clicked to buy. My bad, but I knew when I hit submit what I was getting....or so I thought.

          It wasn't until after I got signed in that I realized that I won't get to see the other modules, until they allow me too on a weekly basis. That kinda rubbed me the wrong way. Not because of the money, because truthfully, if it is only 7 or 8 weeks, that is still only $50.

          And if I can make real money from this process, it would be worth it.

          My issue is that I am not patient. I need to see the rest NOW. I have already watched all of module one and want more. In fact, I actually decided to implement the program, and plunked down an additional $50 for the advertising (the service they recommend).

          So I decided to just blog my progress. Yes, my blog is riddled with affiliate links, but I am only going to post honest opinions based on the actual usage of the program. Hopefully it will help if anyone wants more insight over the next few weeks.

          Cell Phone Cash Mojo

          Incidentally, I did send in a support ticket to ask if there was a way to get access to the rest of the modules. I will report back what I find.

          Oh, and to answer about being a complete noob...if you have no idea what CB or PPC stands for, you may want to consider something else to start.

          By the way, while the program doesn't charge any additional fees, that doesn't mean that there aren't additional fees elsewhere.

          I don't want to sound negative, because I DO believe this will be a good program. It all depends on if the rest of the modules can deliver the goods.

          Sorry for such a long post.
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          • Profile picture of the author l23bc
            excuse me for tapping into this conversation but i am a old mack micheals student at maverick money makers and he is just doing what he normally does with that softwere no bashing intended or ment please let me explain

            with maverick money makers he had a few tactics he shown and promised a few new videos the following month or so to come, saying his had to upload then it became maverick money makers 2.0 and some of the old stuff his students waited for ages to see the follow on to the tactics he used however some videos never got released for months and thats why i left the course, i did make from maverick 2k in clickbank affilates as i was one of the first to sign up i beleive,

            but if your a noobie dont go running into something to wait and wait and wait try the 30 day challenge and save your cash? if your stuck for money please i dont want to see you waiting for some video that puts the peaces to the puzzles later rather then sooner, and for 100 bucks you could get a good few articles written and make traffic to pay you cash

            yes mobile phone industry is a big industry and i should know i used to work for 02uk and vodafone and the carphone warehouse and the commision i made as a sales agents was huge in retentations here in the u.k when customer's signed up for 18 month contracts,

            but to the people that say they have made money i like to ask for some proof,
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      • Profile picture of the author manddd
        So true,
        I had the same experience/ impression as you.

        Martha
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        • Profile picture of the author techguy09
          Thanks for all the great posts guys..I was on the CPC squeeze page and getting ready to sign up for this. Then I decided to do some research on this since this is a new niche. Now I know i'm not going to sign up for this.

          I came across an article about how you can become an affiliate with a company that sells coupon advertising to businesses. I signed up for the opt-in information but I haven't received anything on it yet and that has been over 2 weeks ago.

          Does anyone out there know of any affiliate programs out there for "Coupon Advertising on Cell Phones"? Sounds like a great niche to get into.

          If anyone knows about this you can send me a private message or just reply to this post.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zach Booker
    http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...cpa-2-0-a.html

    I can't comment on this course; but the reviews are mixed for his previous product.

    Regardless though that is one serious clickbank account. Very inspirational.

    Zach
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  • Profile picture of the author stefanjames
    I'm loving the course. I bought the coaching course today and already started making money. The cell phone market is a huge industry. What I've done is followed the fast action videos. Will take you about an hour or so to watch and quickly applied what was being taught.

    There are about 7 different modules with videos attached it. It's very well put together and organized.

    I combined the cell phone marketing strategy being taught with a cpa offer and it's working wonderfully. So I recommend you try it. Only $25. Honest review of cell phone cash.
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    • Profile picture of the author desihoon
      Hi,
      I am happy that you made some money. I also bought the coaching course earlier this week. The videos were well presented. I was all fired up to try the strategy and make some money. Unfortunately, it did not work for me. I placed couple of ads and ran them for 2 days. I received around 50,000 impressions and 180 clicks but did not get a single sale. Pretty disappointing.
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      • Profile picture of the author jempub
        Has ANYONE had any REAL success with this?

        If so... Show REAL proof.

        Talk soon,
        Gary
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        • Profile picture of the author dannynz
          Hi Gary

          There are a number of people/posts on this thread on results - sadly no one has really been able to make it work successfully. I am not giving up, I continue to test and do extensive research.

          To date from my tests making paid survey products via my own optimized iphone webpage - I have had only 5 opt-in emails from approx 70,000 impressions, 211 clicks costing $10.65. Opt-ins are sent an email with links to the main product page = no sales. I think it would work but the level of sales in relation to costs would make it a negative. Now Mach would say I am sure - try a different product.

          ... which is what I am doing, I now have two more pending ads for the iphone, created my own sites with the banner from the CB product, if clicked it goes to the sales page from the CB vendor.

          The first one requires a credit card, second one only requires a name and email, then a credit card but at least opt-in and then emails/web to make the sales. I will have more info up soon once they are approved and working ... I watch them very carefully and pause them at night because I am only targeting the US market. I am looking at the results after 500 clicks to determine if it is a goer.

          Advert for both = Touch > Get Paid for Game Testing
          I created my own green/yellow iphone button and uploaded
          Targeting only the USA

          Links to the mini iphone sites are -

          WG test for games 01

          WG test for games 02

          The second has a better sales page etc for the iphone users

          You can test these sites and the pages after clicked (by turning the the page landscape on the iphone) on a iphone simulator -

          TestiPhone.com - iPhone Application Web Based Simulator

          Currently I am going through Machs week 3 videos, frankly nothing that great or new - pretty basic. I am sure he could give us all we need in one to two longer videos and be done with it.

          Cheers
          Danny

          ... ps. ads are now approved, that only took 30 mins
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    • Profile picture of the author tonyuk55
      I have been a member for a few weeks and I'm going through the training, it all makes sense, the information is GREAT!! He shows you how you can advertise your service or product for a lot less that Google's PPC program, you get more bang for the buck and reach a significantly bigger audience!
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      • Profile picture of the author dannynz
        Hi Tony,

        Originally Posted by tonyuk55 View Post

        I have been a member for a few weeks and I'm going through the training, it all makes sense, the information is GREAT!! He shows you how you can advertise your service or product for a lot less that Google's PPC program, you get more bang for the buck and reach a significantly bigger audience!
        I assume going by your post here you have not read this thread from the beginning? How can you say the information is great - why is it great? It is so basic newbie info, and no one here has been able to make it work - turning what is taught into real results. No where near the results that Mach makes out is easy to achieve!

        Are we also to assume you have not actually tried creating an ad with Admob, used a CB, ROI Rocket product or like me created multiple landing pages etc and then measured the results? Because hey if you have and it is working lets hear all about it please?

        Being able to hit a bigger audience means little if it is not well targeted and responsive. PPC at least people are on their computers. To date from the very little success I have had e.g. 6 email opt-ins the costs to achieve them is why more expensive then just using PPC?

        But again, hey if you can get better results then go for and show us the links and what you did to make a boat load of cash like Mach goes on and on about - lets see it! I want this to work, I have been working hard running tests and spending money on ads to make sure it works before I put in more cash in for advertising - to date:

        no profit, no large amounts of opt-ins etc.

        Conclusion so far: The market is not targeted well enough, and not very responsive ... PPC seems to be a better option at this stage.

        Mach says he is making lots of money with this, so lets actually see the results and full disclosure of the product he is selling, the landing page etc ... nothing. He is ever lying and created a very deceptive useless coaching product (it is not really coaching) or we are doing it all wrong and or there is some other magic solution to success on the last week of training?

        Regards

        Danny

        P.S. Recently this message appeared at the top of the page in Machs Cell Phone Cash training site, "Please do not use these marketing methods to advertise products relating to making money from home or making money online on services .... They no longer accept such campaigns".

        ... ok but my "make money" from paid surveys Iphone video with opt-in, advert, was just approved? What does that say ... I assume they still allow it? and or just try?
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        • Profile picture of the author tonyuk55
          Hi Dannynz,

          First just to clarify, I have read this post from the beginning, and even though I'm new to the Warrior Forum, I am not new to Internet marketing . I still think this method of using admob can work but in a different way.

          You may disagree with me but consider this, I'll use his technique to ad to my list that will be targeted to what iphone users really want. Has anyone done any homework on the demographic on iphone users?

          I have, and I found some interesting stats, 72% of iphone users are men with a average age between 25 to 31 and a household income of $75,600 a year. How do I know? well like anyone else I Google it under iphone demographics. With this information I have to adjust my product or service to my target audience. This is marketing 101 if it worked 100 years ago I'm sure it will work now.

          Sure making money is always the main topic everyone will be going for, but iphone users are generally men interested in games, sports etc.

          I will be working to develop iphone apps in the near future so getting a list with iphone users who are interested in buying what I have to sell sounds good to me. I'll put together an ebook with this info and post to the WF (Warrior Forum) in the near future so stay tuned.

          It's true I was not a happy camper when I found out I had to wait for modules to show up, like I was in third grade and I agree with you, that he makes it sound so easy that anyone with half a brain can turn on the money machine and get as much as they want, which as we all know is not true. But I'm looking to exploit this in a different way. Who knows maybe there is a boat load of cash, in the long term just not the boat that Mach is on.

          I have a question for you, since you are using the product, has anyone created a video or an audio advert, to pre sell your program? In the module I received Mach in his (slow and sleepy voice) says that this is the last thing you should do is to promote directly to your website. To quote Mach "You should use that method as a last resort"

          I'm just looking for different options here, I want this program to work, so if it doesn't work one way, I need to see if I can get my ROI in a different way.

          In my experience in internet marketing, I have painfully discovered that researching your target audience is the key to success, this can not be ignored. With out proper research, you might as well go back to your day job, if you have one.

          Tonyuk55
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          • Profile picture of the author dannynz
            Originally Posted by tonyuk55 View Post

            You may disagree with me but consider this, I'll use his technique to ad to my list that will be targeted to what iphone users really want.

            ... ok if you say you have read this thread then why are you asking this question, it has been covered and tested by a few here, including me. We were told from Machs own staff that from 500 clicks you will know if it will work. My result - 500 clicks, 6 opt-ins. A no go.

            Originally Posted by tonyuk55 View Post

            Sure making money is always the main topic everyone will be going for, but iphone users are generally men interested in games, sports etc.

            ... ok if you had read this thread you would have read that I have tested this with a game product - with an opt-in offer on the page itself and direct to gateway page offer and then form. No opt-ins, no profit, very little interest.

            Originally Posted by tonyuk55 View Post

            I will be working to develop iphone apps in the near future so getting a list with iphone users who are interested in buying what I have to sell sounds good to me. I'll put together an ebook with this info and post to the WF (Warrior Forum) in the near future so stay tuned.
            I can not wait Tony, many of us me included myself are heading down this road, and testing more advanced stuff then what Machs newbie course does and attending webinars from providers. Just make sure you FULLY test and run whatever you use as bate to sell your ebook over at least 3 to 6 months period.

            Originally Posted by tonyuk55 View Post

            I have a question for you, since you are using the product, has anyone created a video or an audio advert, to pre sell your program? In the module I received Mach in his (slow and sleepy voice) says that this is the last thing you should do is to promote directly to your website. To quote Mach "You should use that method as a last resort"

            1. ... ok if you had read this thread you would see this has been covered. We know NOW after week 4 that direct to websites doesn't work - from our own testing (and logic) and from Machs teaching in week 4 after ... but he just taught everyone to do just that.

            2. ... ok also in the thread I give the full details of my direct video advert offer on the Iphone with opt-in. Did you read this? ... to date no opt-ins. It is still running to hit the 500 click benchmark.

            Originally Posted by tonyuk55 View Post

            In my experience in internet marketing, I have painfully discovered that researching your target audience is the key to success, this can not be ignored. With out proper research, you might as well go back to your day job, if you have one.
            Agree, which is what I did before I created all my tests etc, to date no profit only costs. Now Tony lets see your results from your TESTS, get going and give us the feedback - looking forward to it.

            Danny
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            • Profile picture of the author tonyuk55
              Look I'm just trying to help here, were all trying to make money right? So I will continue to do testing, and I will let everyone know the results. That's the bottom line.
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  • Profile picture of the author neuline
    Well praise the Lord,

    When I read the comment from dozierdd about my being incorrect about the timetable for receiving the modules, I girded my loins and went back to the course site to get myself armed with the truth upon my return to this forum, ready to do battle defending what I had written in my previous reply (aka my rant). But, alas, I found that Michaels does, indeed, read this forum because the time sequence was modified to work as dozierdd said. A new module will be opened every seven days.

    I would guess that more people than myself complained about the set-up of the course, and this prompted Michaels to back off from his incredible position. I presume that there will also be some adjustment on his ad site also.

    I'm still not really happy with the new time table because I really need this info right now. I mean, when I buy a gallon of milk, I don't expect a quart of milk to be delivered to my door for the next four weeks. What's with that?

    Finally, just for the record, yes, I can handle 7 WHOLE modules at one time and not be thrown into a catatonic state, wondering the streets, confused, disoriented, bewildered.

    Now, admittedly, that's how I DO act when the Cardinals lose a close one to the Cubs, but that's just me. Again, I hoped that this helped.
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    • Profile picture of the author JoeC
      What If you're new to IM ( that be me ) in general, can you still start making money fast?A few members have
      posted stating they made money right off. Is this because they have a good size list to market to already?
      I guess what I'm asking is, ya think Cell Phone Cash will work for a noob with no list to market to?
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      • Profile picture of the author stefanjames
        I understand where you are coming from neuline. I'm a pretty fast learner myself and have already went through the videos, applied the techniques, and I'm already making money using these methods.

        I'm ready for the next methods as well but I can be patient and just concentrate on exploding the techniques laid out in the first 7 days. I think its a well put together concept.

        Good luck to you
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        • Profile picture of the author Lokki08
          Hi Stefan

          I have been reading all people comments here and you seem to have Cell Phone Cash working for you and you have already earned some money. Can you show some proof about that?

          To be honest and I don't want to blame you or anyone but there are always people who claim something but in reality all what they say is BS.

          Originally Posted by stefanjames View Post

          I understand where you are coming from neuline. I'm a pretty fast learner myself and have already went through the videos, applied the techniques, and I'm already making money using these methods.

          I'm ready for the next methods as well but I can be patient and just concentrate on exploding the techniques laid out in the first 7 days. I think its a well put together concept.

          Good luck to you
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  • Profile picture of the author billybob2727
    Do you have to pay any additional cost (besides the cost of the course) to make any money with these methods?
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  • Profile picture of the author neuline
    Hi everyone,

    Just got back to the computer and have read some of the posts that have been put up the last couple of hours.

    To Stefanjames, I just want to say that I appreciate your feedback and hope that you didn't take any offense at my comments about the course. Like you, I think that, ultimately, its a well thought-out concept. Unlike you, however, I'm a pretty impatient guy. (I guess you caught that, though.)

    WealthWinners, you say: "So I watched the vids, and skimmed. I didn't catch the part about it being monthly until I actually had clicked to buy."

    Of course you didn't. Because he planned it that way. Like you, the 7-week thing rubs me the wrong way. Quite frankly, I'm tired of the sellers (oh, I'm sorry. The GURUS) treating us like we've got the intelligence of a Kumquat and the intestinal fortitude of the daisies of the field. Also like you, the $25.00 is not the issue.

    With that said, let's look at his "guarantee". He says: "If during your first 60 days of my coaching, you're not happy with the program for any reason then ask for your money back and you will get a full refund of your enrollment fee with no questions or hassles whatsoever."

    Well, smack my face. Let's look a little closer at that guarantee, shall we? By the time that the 60 days rolls around, we will have given him $75.00 but he'll give us our $25.00 "enrollment fee" back, which means that he'll pocket $50.00. Hhmmmm..........so much for his "Make money or its free" guarantee. Unless he believes that his keeping our $50.00 is "free" to us.

    Just my thoughts.
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    • Profile picture of the author WealthWinners
      Originally Posted by neuline View Post


      With that said, let's look at his "guarantee". He says: "If during your first 60 days of my coaching, you're not happy with the program for any reason then ask for your money back and you will get a full refund of your enrollment fee with no questions or hassles whatsoever."

      Well, smack my face. Let's look a little closer at that guarantee, shall we? By the time that the 60 days rolls around, we will have given him $75.00 but he'll give us our $25.00 "enrollment fee" back, which means that he'll pocket $50.00. Hhmmmm..........so much for his "Make money or its free" guarantee. Unless he believes that his keeping our $50.00 is "free" to us.

      Just my thoughts.

      LOLO...You have an excellent point! So basically, if we want to cancel then we need to do it within the first 30 days, which should give us another 3 modules to view before actually deciding.

      BUT I have a bigger beef now.

      I did what he said in the videos, using the service he recommended. I set up the ad for the iphone, put my $50 for my ad credits and thought all would be good.

      I got an email from the ad company.

      They said that they won't accept ads for websites that are not OPTIMIZED for the iphone. Which means they HAVE to have some kind of mobile page set up.

      Now, how many CB products do you think are optimized for the iphone? I am going to try another product, because the one I tried was outside the scope of what they allowed.

      But here is the other thing. He says not to use any CB landing pages with videos. Do you know how many have videos? In fact all of his have videos. So we can't even promote the actual cell phone cash program with this method.

      It's almost hilarious. But I am not going to shoot this guy just yet. I am going to wait and see over the next 2 weeks IF I can get at least one ad running.

      Should be interesting.

      By the way, are any of the rest of you that say you are doing it, actually promoting one of the CB products with the site he shows in the videos?
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      • Profile picture of the author onlinemoney00
        Originally Posted by WealthWinners View Post

        LOLO...You have an excellent point! So basically, if we want to cancel then we need to do it within the first 30 days, which should give us another 3 modules to view before actually deciding.

        BUT I have a bigger beef now.

        I did what he said in the videos, using the service he recommended. I set up the ad for the iphone, put my $50 for my ad credits and thought all would be good.

        I got an email from the ad company.

        They said that they won't accept ads for websites that are not OPTIMIZED for the iphone. Which means they HAVE to have some kind of mobile page set up.

        Now, how many CB products do you think are optimized for the iphone? I am going to try another product, because the one I tried was outside the scope of what they allowed.

        But here is the other thing. He says not to use any CB landing pages with videos. Do you know how many have videos? In fact all of his have videos. So we can't even promote the actual cell phone cash program with this method.

        It's almost hilarious. But I am not going to shoot this guy just yet. I am going to wait and see over the next 2 weeks IF I can get at least one ad running.

        Should be interesting.

        By the way, are any of the rest of you that say you are doing it, actually promoting one of the CB products with the site he shows in the videos?
        Please Shoot him, I tellnternet Marketing is one of the most profitable Niche. why do we keep buying & buying useless product. I took a product the other, change the headlines, use the exact same salesletter & a few people who have bought it before, bought it again without asking for refunds.

        Am telling you, the advice we get from the warrior forum, we do not need any more products to make money

        Instead of buying product after product, we should give our money to freelance workers & we would definitely profit, there are articles to be written, videos to be made, facebook groups, myspace. Come on guys wake up
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  • Profile picture of the author topskyca
    One thing confused me: the numbers in his video is from his own testing with cell phone cash or its ONLY his own clickbank income from MMM? I know he has a very successful MMM, that should be an impressive number. But in his sales letter, he only tested in one month? How can he consistently make such number across the whole year? Guess he is misleading - using other income to boost his cell phone cash system. Any thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author l23bc
    right

    had to join up because curiousity and here is my final soultion on this!

    it seems to me that mack is using this to boost up maverick money again let me explain,

    oto after signing up maverick money makers site,

    2.says to promote maverick money makers via mobile

    on one of the videos he talks about maverick money makers being a sister site,

    he is using make money online as the main theme..also some other stuff like keyword research and ect in make money on google which is really in my option not worth it since google has over 23 million sites and ads

    im going to cancel in morning! im in the u.k and still cant wait a month to find out the next steps, i gotta funny feeling anyway what he is going to purpose which is google feeds and feedburner as iphones and most cell phones can get rss feeds these days,
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  • Profile picture of the author l23bc
    not to all on my last post no bashing was intended or ment at mack micheals,
    just a suggestion thats all
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    • Profile picture of the author vivientan
      I've also received the Cell Phone Cash in my mailbox this morning. While the videos look impressive, there are some questions that I have:

      - Is this similar to what we do in a CPA network?
      - How do the mobile networks send offers to mobile users? via sms, mobile apps etc?
      - Do those mobile users need to opt-in (like email opt-in) to receive those offers?
      - Are we sure those mobile networks are able to send offers to users all over the world?
      - Will this work for someone like myself who doesn't stay in the US?

      Grateful if those of you who have purchased the pdt can shed a light on my concerns. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author SRLee
    Interesting replies, keep us all posted, buyers!
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  • Profile picture of the author YesIamSam
    So I plunged in as well, mostly because I am interested in the cell phone advertising platform, very untapped. Like stated above, you only get access to module 1, which has videos describing what clickbank is and how to research keywords.

    First of all, you are right. Not many CB-pages are optimized for the iPhone, so that's a problem. You can always create your own landing page, and pre-sell, though.

    I'm more interested in CPA products, and I definitely see some potential in this. I'm going to stay passive on the review until the next module is up. I am going to try this first, do a test run and see if it converts.

    All I'm saying now is that people that are whining about it having no potential, try to think a bit outside of what is being said in the video. There is more than clickbank, and there are things people do more often on a cell phone, or that has more potential (ahem...dating, gambling, games - anyone?)...

    I'll keep you posted.
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    • Profile picture of the author l23bc
      okay

      just watching some of the video and i too love CPA more hardly do things with click bank im always using cpabullet or copec for offers, mind you if you check neverblue i know theres a few facebook apps that do work on on a ifone i think ill stay for a month and watch it too just wondering if places like e harmoney dating would work

      anyway let you know
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  • Profile picture of the author stefanjames
    Since I've purchased the course and went through I'll again say I love the way it's laid out but this is my personal opinion. Yeah I'm a fast learner and ready for the other videos but I will just keep implementing what is being taught for the first 7 days. Cool way of staying focused. Besides if you promote this course and get 2 ppl to sign up your monthly membership is paid for.

    There is a ton of info in this course for a system that cost $25 a month. For me personally I'm using this cell phone market to attack cpa. Already made a few hundred yesterday. Killer concept. I hope to explode my earnings over the coming weeks.

    I hope everyone has great success with this product.
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    • Profile picture of the author jempub
      Hello there Fellow Warriors.

      I purchased the system too. Went through
      each video...

      Used the service that's recommended in the
      course.

      Chose 3 clickbank products in the "make
      money niche".

      My results:

      I blew through $350.00 in about 25 minutes
      got hundreds of thousands of "impressions"
      got around a total of 4000 clicks and NOT
      ONE SALE!

      So far... not so good...

      Talk later,
      Gary
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      • Profile picture of the author WealthWinners
        Originally Posted by jempub View Post

        Hello there Fellow Warriors.

        I purchased the system too. Went through
        each video...

        Used the service that's recommended in the
        course.

        Chose 3 clickbank products in the "make
        money niche".

        My results:

        I blew through $350.00 in about 25 minutes
        got hundreds of thousands of "impressions"
        got around a total of 4000 clicks and NOT
        ONE SALE!

        So far... not so good...

        Talk later,
        Gary

        OMG Gary, I am so sorry this happened! Dang man, I only put up $50 just for that very reason. I figured I should get at least 1 sale.
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        • Profile picture of the author jempub
          Originally Posted by WealthWinners View Post

          OMG Gary, I am so sorry this happened! Dang man, I only put up $50 just for that very reason. I figured I should get at least 1 sale.
          Aw shucks... Thanks...

          I do a TON of testing on these new products before I EVER
          recommend them to my lists.

          I just really don't see the quality in this product yet.

          Very UN-targeted advertising. Sure it's very cheap but it
          just doesn't convert.

          I also believe the video on the sales page showing his
          $8000.00 days is due to him running several different
          campaigns... some on cell phones, some from his lists.

          You will never be able to pull in huge paydays with one
          campaign.

          I'm gonna test a few options before I decide on whether
          to drop it or go with it.

          If anyone else is having actual GOOD results, please by
          all means let us in on it...

          Talk soon,
          Gary
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        • Profile picture of the author cplayers
          Originally Posted by WealthWinners View Post

          OMG Gary, I am so sorry this happened! Dang man, I only put up $50 just for that very reason. I figured I should get at least 1 sale.
          Yeah, that was the one thing, I was wondering about, the advertisement investment. Because the program looks really good and it was different than your normal program. Glad you were honest, about the $350.00, so now what do you do? I wasn't sure how long my advertising dollars would last, didn't know $350 could go in 25 minutes. I will give this a second thought, in which, I should have checked out the notes here first, before I made the decision to purchase.

          Hmmm!
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        • Profile picture of the author cheree
          hey all,

          i got this last night & jumped right in. mod 1 has about 7 or 8 videos itself. when i tried to go into mod 2 it said it would be unlocked after 13 days (i tried it again later & it said after 7 days). i agree that it should state that the modules will be given in increments.

          i think it's a great idea since it's a pretty untapped market. however, you do need an advertising budget to implement it. i know there are other expenses to anything really but the minimums for the ad company mentioned are pretty high. even google adwords for ppc lets you set lower daily budgets. so maybe it's not good for the beginner that doesn't have an ad budget, it's hard to plunk down a lot of extra money when you weren't expecting it.

          stefanjames-congrats on making it work so quickly & i think you have the right idea going with a cpa offer, my question is how much have you spent with the ad company so far?

          wealthwinners- good luck & be sure to let us know how it goes after you get your first $50 out

          jempub-sorry it turned out that way, hopefully it will change for you & it's great that you actually test before you send it to your list.

          i still think it's a great concept & hopefully we will have some success stories out of it.

          good luck to all,
          cheree
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      • Profile picture of the author Always-A-Warrior
        Originally Posted by jempub View Post

        Hello there Fellow Warriors.

        I purchased the system too. Went through
        each video...

        Used the service that's recommended in the
        course.

        Chose 3 clickbank products in the "make
        money niche".

        My results:

        I blew through $350.00 in about 25 minutes
        got hundreds of thousands of "impressions"
        got around a total of 4000 clicks and NOT
        ONE SALE!

        So far... not so good...

        Talk later,
        Gary
        Hi Gary,

        can you tell us what the $350 was spent on?.

        If you got 4000 clicks and no sale then its the sales page that needs to be worked on or changed.
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      • Profile picture of the author gw92311d
        Hey,
        i too am a little fustrated. I bought the product. Read thought the first two modules or second week. Blow about $200. Very mad! But not mad to stop. I got a lot of impression and click but no sale. I did the tweeking as stated but nothing. I am still mad, but i am looking out there, is anyone truely making money from it! it seems like a good idea, but where it the Money!!!! Gail
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        • Profile picture of the author dannynz
          Originally Posted by gw92311d View Post

          Hey,
          i too am a little fustrated. I bought the product. Read thought the first two modules or second week. Blow about $200. Very mad! But not mad to stop. I got a lot of impression and click but no sale. I did the tweeking as stated but nothing. I am still mad, but i am looking out there, is anyone truely making money from it! it seems like a good idea, but where it the Money!!!! Gail
          Hi Gail,

          there is money it in but it takes a lot of work, money and time to get the right combination - I am still working on it. Number 1 piece of advise I can give is only send people to iphone optimized pages not html pages, and only offer free information for opt-in, trigger emails, build your database, build relationships.

          ... all not easy, certainly not as easy as Mack in Cell Phone Rip Off Cash makes it sound. You will need a programmer or basic programming knowledge to get the iphone optimized pages working and so the opt-in details go into a database and trigger an email and or a series of emails.

          I am working on this at the moment, but overseas traveling and back in my country to work direct with my programmer mid Nov. You can keep up to date in this and get my training info via my link below and join there.

          Regards

          Danny
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          • Profile picture of the author roozak
            I am sure that this may have been discussed already but, the CPA offers dont work either in my testing...heres my numbers

            I deposited $100

            Ran 1 CPA offer, 3 different ads

            2,895 4 0.14% $0.24
            134 0 0.00% $0.00
            18,043 57 0.32% $3.42
            16,187 166 1.03% $6.64
            70,365 738 1.05% $29.52
            27,118 293 1.08% $11.72
            24,599 67 0.27% $4.02

            first row, impressions, then clicks, CTR, Cost

            The last 3 were CPA offers, it was the same offer with 3 different ads running...heres the thing..i got out the calculator...

            Lets take my best set of numbers: 70,365 impressions converted 1.05 %, for 738 clicks...lets say the general rule for conversions leading to sale equals = 3% well that would equal 22 sales - at my offer paying me $1.40 for each conversion (it was an email submit) - I should have been paid $30.80 subtract the cost $29.32 and get a whole $1.41 Profit - wow - sorry but not what I am going to spend my time on for $1.40

            Those are my numbers I hope they get better...but I am not hopeful...I am really waiting for the next video that will give me the secret that has been withheld from me...
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            • Profile picture of the author dannynz
              Originally Posted by roozak View Post


              Those are my numbers I hope they get better...but I am not hopeful...I am really waiting for the next video that will give me the secret that has been withheld from me...
              Hi Roozak, thanks for the numbers, great see this kind of detail. What were you offering? And what advert line did you use?

              Sorry to say but there are no real secrets in Mack's course, it is all very logical.

              I hope to have my iphone optimized page going live tomorrow, the opt-in data will be connected directly to the cpa/affiliate network (kind offer and very helpful crew). The offer is free videos on making money online, not the best kind of product over the iphone but the only one I can use at the moment with these guys. The conversion online has been very high, mine was around 1 in 3 opt-in, so it will be interesting to see the conversion on the iphone.

              Danny
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              • Profile picture of the author Wuuki
                Hi guys,

                Short update on what's going on.

                - I've submitted a refund ticket in time.
                - I've been notified that the refund will be issued.
                - The Money Guarantee says that it will be for a 60 days
                - Now I found out that it's just the enrollment fee BUT NOT the second month fee

                Yes, I have to admit after reading the guarantee a second time, it even says like this
                but no need to say that this is more than giving a wrong impression.

                Anyway, I have submitted another ticket to Clickbank asking them for some more information
                since I believe somebody must take action.

                Keep you posted.

                Cheers

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              • Profile picture of the author roozak
                I was offering a CPA on a $1000 Gift Card from Wal-Mart - I think my advert line was something "Touch Here for $1000"...I followed the courses advice and of course my $100 was gone in no time...

                But wait just over the horizon if you put in another $100 you might be successful - I am sure thats what I will hear from the next video.

                Its truly disappointing, however I have been able to discover another option that would pay better and might actually work...once I test it I will let the rest know if it was worth it...
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    • Profile picture of the author WealthWinners
      Morning all,

      stefanjames, way to go man! I love it when people make a system work, despite it's flaws!

      Since I am JUST starting to learn more about CPA I don't have any authority to say if this will work with it, so thank you for answering that question.

      YesIamSam, the service that is mentioned to use to advertise does not allow gambling sites, which is why my first ad didn't take. And I agree that creating your own landing page might be the best option. This has HUGE potential if we look beyond what this guy is showing to what is possible.

      Just checked and they have not approved my second attempt to put an ad out. So I don't have any results yet to post.

      The first ad was for making money and went to a CB site on lottery tactics. They didn't approve due to it being gambling which was against their TOS.

      Decided to go into the diet products arena with a different product. So will see what happens.

      I may very well dump anything with CB, and try CPA. I need to search the forum and figure out which CPA to start with and get some education on it.

      topskyca, I got that same feeling. I am not sure that the numbers he was showing were for his membership to MMM or if it was actually from a product he did with the CPC (Cell Phone Cash) program.

      vivientan, since I am not familiar enough with CPA, I cannot answer some of your questions intelligently so I will leave that for someone else. Also, I do not use mobile apps so I am not sure how to answer those questions either. But from what I gathered from the service that you use to promote, it IS worldwide. So if there is the cell phone network available, then you would have the option to offer in just certain areas.
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    • Profile picture of the author NicholasP
      Originally Posted by stefanjames View Post


      There is a ton of info in this course for a system that cost $25 a month. For me personally I'm using this cell phone market to attack cpa. Already made a few hundred yesterday. Killer concept. I hope to explode my earnings over the coming weeks.
      How much did you spend on these ads? Are they on iPhone-friendly landing pages?

      Nick
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      • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
        I saw an email about this in my inbox, but didn't read it. To anybody out there who's really hard up for money and needs it like, yesterday, I'd suggest thinking twice before spending money on any program or "method", no matter how many 0's are in the author's Clickbank screenshot on the sales page. As some people above learned the hard way, you don't know exactly what you're getting in the program, or any additional expenses that may be required. If you need money quickly and you're going to spend money at all, you're probably better off using it to post a WSO where you offer a service to your fellow Warriors. Because regardless of what new "method" that comes out, you'll need to drive traffic to your offer. And with listing a WSO, at least you're tapping into an existing supply of traffic here on the forum.

        That's not to discourage anyone from buying IM products, let alone this one, but if you need money quickly, purchasing the newest guru method might not be the best choice, and there are other ways to invest your money that may be more likely to result in cash in hand for you.
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        • Profile picture of the author gw92311d
          Thanks for the information. I was disappointed when i purchased the Cell phone Cash. I really thought it was going to work this Time. I am going to tap into the WSO and see what's up! Yes, i am upset! But you did give me an Idea. I will run with it and see what happens. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author tonio79
    Hi Guys and gals

    Purchased this product yesterday.
    First up concerning the rest of the modules and the charging.....it says that module 7 will be released 42 days after joining. As its a clickbank product and comes with a 56 day money back guarantee then if you are not happy after the 7th module, write to clickbank and get a refund.....for a total of $50...or whatver the total will be.

    Yes thats annoying and i want the 7 modules now too but at least you know that with clickbank your money WILL BE returned if you are not happy! I have had monthly recurring bills returned in past for naff products so know that that won't be a problem.

    If you don't want your money tied up for that long then thats a different matter.....otherwise hopefully that part is dealt with now.

    Concerning whether you would make money with this is still to be seen.
    Heres what i would ask those who have decided to promote clickbank products through this system though......would you buy a clickbank product through your phone????

    I don't own an iphone or internet phone but am pretty sure that when i do i won't be buying a clickbank product through it. I want a full screen to read the product instantly.....i want somewhere to download it to as well.

    Personally.....and please feel free to shoot me down...but i would imagine CPA offers would work much better with this system....and ones that don't involve any of those ...pay $4.95 shipping etc.

    I know they will probably pay less per lead but the offers that just require email or postal code would surely work better wouldn't they???

    I am very unlikely to pay $97 / $67 or even $17 for a product through my phone whilst i'm on the bus/ train / car browsing the web......but ask me if i might put my email address to recieve a free offer....and well...i might just do that!!!!

    What do others think??

    I might try a small advertising spend.....@ $50 to test to see if i get any leads / sales and if i can i'll let you know how i got on.

    Going back to the course element however.....what if i am about to do is wrong and that in module 2 it explains a better way to pitch the offer or word the advert??? Then i've just wasted some advertising spend by not being in possession of the full facts of a course i have already paid for???

    Tried to give a fair explanation of both sides of the fence......how did i do??

    Good luck everyone.
    I'll try and let you know how i get on....with no affiliate links or blogs to link to either.....fair and honest i hope!!

    Tony
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  • Profile picture of the author One Dumb Aussie
    I live in australia and have completed week 1 of the course.

    Yes it will work outside US.

    Don't get bogged down in the make money section, Try a lifestyle or health product.

    It is predictable that due to the training that would be the niche everyone attacked. think out side the square and if you are losing money follow the videos more closely.

    How many have a note pad happening?

    I too am dissappointed we can't access further modules but honestly if you had 50 videos to watch one after the other how much would sink in?

    Watch the videos at least twice before Starting campaign.

    I am quietly confident in this product, 2 affiliate sales and its paying for itself.

    One dumb Aussie
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  • Profile picture of the author stefanjames
    Wow sorry about that Gary. Did you make sure the products you chose didn't have flash videos on it? If they did the website won't show up correctly on the iPhone or iPod Touch. What I do is check the website on my iPod Touch before promoting it to see if it comes up correctly. From what I was testing yesterday some products won't even make it to the order form because it is not compatible with the iPhone or iPod Touch.

    So just be aware of this in the future. If you don't have an iPhone or iPod Touch use a friends or just go to the Apple Store. Hope this helps you into not losing anymore of your hard earned money.
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    • Profile picture of the author jempub
      Hi there Stefan.

      Yep I made 100% sure that the sales pages had NO
      video on them at all.

      I truly believe that the advertising is WAY TOO UN-targeted.

      I tried selling phone apps, games, make money and had NO
      sales.

      Talk later,
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      • Profile picture of the author jempub
        Hello there Warriors.

        Okay... I just ran another UN-successful test using
        the EXACT techniques taught in Cell Phone Cash...

        Here's the lowdown...

        The entire test/campaign time took 20 minutes.

        I tested this product: (affiliate link deleted)
        Easy Automated Income - Make money from home

        Here's the ad copy I used
        "Bank Up To $4670 Per Day From Home!"

        Here's the stats:
        Budget: $50.00
        Impressions: 57,823
        Clicks: 669
        CTR: 1.16%
        Profits/Sales: ZERO

        Talk soon,
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        • Profile picture of the author asnorth
          Thanks for the update jempub, interesting stats. Click through rate doesn´t seem too bad, I wonder if anyone would be happy to publish similar stats for cpa offers as they could do better I feel. Some posters have claimed to make money but so far no stats, anyone?
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          • Profile picture of the author jempub
            Yeah I agree... If someone is HONESTLY having good results
            then please post!

            Talk soon,
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    • Profile picture of the author HollandsFinest
      Originally Posted by stefanjames View Post

      Wow sorry about that Gary. Did you make sure the products you chose didn't have flash videos on it? If they did the website won't show up correctly on the iPhone or iPod Touch. What I do is check the website on my iPod Touch before promoting it to see if it comes up correctly. From what I was testing yesterday some products won't even make it to the order form because it is not compatible with the iPhone or iPod Touch.

      So just be aware of this in the future. If you don't have an iPhone or iPod Touch use a friends or just go to the Apple Store. Hope this helps you into not losing anymore of your hard earned money.
      Are you saying there is way we can test the pages without having an IPhone in our hands?

      Is there a function in the Apple store where we can test the site and see how a certain website looks like on an Iphone screen?

      And do you know if there is a way we can get more targeted traffic with the method in this offer? Like you can target an audience on myspace when placing ads there (age, gender etc.).

      This would be far more effective then just blast these ads to as much Iphones as your wallet can handle.
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      • Profile picture of the author NicholasP
        Originally Posted by HollandsFinest View Post

        Are you saying there is way we can test the pages without having an IPhone in our hands?
        There are free iPhone browser simulators out there.

        Google Search: iphone browser simulator - Google Search
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        • Profile picture of the author WealthWinners
          Good Morning Warriors!

          tonio79 - You are spot on. And your post made me laugh and think "duh!". I don't own an iPhone, but it would make sense that most people wouldn't purchase a CB product that way. The sad thing is, the videos instruct using CB product doing what is "supposed" to be successful. Perhaps CPA will be brought in on later videos. However, the fact that I already spent $50 (and Gary spent a lot more!), with zero results leaves a week for me to stew on the fact that I lost that money before maybe learning that there was a better way.



          Ok, I am still waiting on the final few dollars to be sucked out of my ad account, but so far, I am at 45 of the 50 that I put in and no sales. I will come back when it is done and post the exact figures.

          My ad was for a weight loss product. I am plus size so I know what makes me click.

          My ad was "Touch Here To Get Skinny"

          Here is the product: Top Fat Loss Secrets

          I tested it on TestiPhone.com - iPhone Application Web Based Simulator to make sure it would work before putting it out there.

          I also canceled this product this morning.

          In my opinion, the way this program is laid out, it will create a lot of cancellations.

          Here is what I recommend for anyone who wants to actually sell this as an affiliate...and NOT have a lot of charge backs or cancellations.

          Create a bonus that is delivered to anyone wanting this and show HOW and HOW MUCH you can make by using CPA products instead of CB products (for those who are actually making money).

          This is a great niche market. But I feel that there is a lot more research that has to be done to really make it work well.

          The reason I feel there will be a lot of cancels? Two actually.

          1. In todays "give it to me now" society, waiting to get ALL the details over a 2 month period just is too long.
          2. In doing EXACTLY what was instructed, and not producing a result, will turn people off.

          Then again, because the initial price is so low, maybe there won't be.

          If it was just me that was losing money, I would think that it was me that was the problem.

          Yes, I would also like to see some results of those using CPA.
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          • Profile picture of the author jempub
            Hi there Sharon.

            Like you I canceled and will NOT promote to my lists!
            (
            Once again... The advertising is WAY UN-targeted and
            I really believe that after testing(I spent another $150.00)
            on various niche products that there simply is no market
            for this at all.

            As for the "clicks" we are getting from the ad service, are
            they actually real cell phone user clicks or just some paid
            to click service??

            Anyway... After being a very successful, full time internet
            marketer for the past 11 years.... I honestly do not think
            this product is currently a viable investment.

            Talk soon,
            Gary
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            • Profile picture of the author YesIamSam
              Well, let me say two things, and I'm not defending the product at all. If it doesn't deliver on the second module, I'll cancel it as well...BUT:

              1. Yes, it's untargeted, which is why you have to advertise general offers. You can't use targeted offers... You have no target audience. Try Zip Submits, Email Submits and similar stuff. Something people can just enter their email or zip code. Like stated above, who the heck would buy a clickbank product and type in credit card info on an iphone?

              Think sales psychology. You are interrupting people when they are browsing for something. Since you aren't using targeted traffic, they aren't searching for something in particular. How many would REALLY want a clickbank product while on the phone? How many would really want an **** free trial product? Nah, don't think so. General offers... "Oh, wait, I can get a free Dell computer? Ok, I'll give it a try and type in my crap-email."

              2. There are other mobile advertising networks... With more options on targeting... Think outside of the box. Don't just follow instructions like sheep. Did you really think he was going to give away how to make thousands of dollars using this for only $20?
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              • Profile picture of the author jempub
                Just so you know...

                I actually tested a "Iphone apps" program where
                you offer "unlimited app downloads", games, etc...

                Now this SHOULD be targeted to EXACTLY what
                am iphone user wants...

                Same thing my friends...

                Plenty of impressions... Plenty of clicks... NO SALES!

                I believe from the testing that's been posted, you can
                see exactly what this product produces.

                Talk soon,
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                • Profile picture of the author WealthWinners
                  Originally Posted by jempub View Post

                  Just so you know...

                  I actually tested a "Iphone apps" program where
                  you offer "unlimited app downloads", games, etc...

                  Now this SHOULD be targeted to EXACTLY what
                  am iphone user wants...

                  Same thing my friends...

                  Plenty of impressions... Plenty of clicks... NO SALES!

                  I believe from the testing that's been posted, you can
                  see exactly what this product produces.

                  Talk soon,
                  Gary
                  Gary, are you just a glutton for punishment? LOL

                  Actually, you are doing what I would have done if I wanted to continue to test. Test different things to see what sticks.

                  If iPhone apps won't stick, what will?

                  By the way, you must have pushed all your ads out at once. I set mine to just get randomly placed throughout the day. Because I am still waiting on the last few dollars to be used before I check again and post the results.
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                  • Profile picture of the author jempub
                    Hi Sharon.

                    Yes... I used the "send ads at once" I really don't
                    think it matters at all.

                    Still very horrible results either way.

                    Talk soon,
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                • Originally Posted by jempub View Post

                  Just so you know...

                  I actually tested a "Iphone apps" program where
                  you offer "unlimited app downloads", games, etc...

                  Now this SHOULD be targeted to EXACTLY what
                  am iphone user wants...

                  Same thing my friends...

                  Plenty of impressions... Plenty of clicks... NO SALES!

                  I believe from the testing that's been posted, you can
                  see exactly what this product produces.
                  While the creator of this product definatly showcased that he was able to make astonishing money directly from promoting clickbank products through these methods. Let's be realistic here, and assume that the money earned probably was from his promoting other products he sells,ect. Unless it's your OWN clickbank product, I wouldn't expect ANY sales from promoting to cellphone users.

                  As many previously have pointed out, NO one, absolutly NO one is going to scroll through an entire sales letter on their iphone and then start entering all their billing information, credit card info. It just isn't going to happen. If you cannot see yourself doing it, and you have a reason to actually WANT to see it happen, no consumer is going to.

                  So what probably happened to the 1000-4000 people that presumably may have had some interest in your advertisement? I am sure that probably some of those people actually bought the product. But what happened was they said, hmmm. this sounds interesting. I'll make a note of it, and when I get back home, go online and check out this product from my PC. So they fired up their PC and went to the salespage of either the seller directly or more likely some other affiliate promoting the product and you lost out on the sale.

                  So personally unless you are promoting your own Clickbank product, I would STAY far away from this. As the seller mentioned in the last part of the very last video, CPA offers that require only an email or zip code or presenting a sales page with the offer under a different name, getting their mobile users email address probably all will work. The bottom line is, you need to either be able to reach out to them on their PC after they visit your advertisement or you need to make money off of them with an email address or zip code. If you had some promotion that had them directly bill their phone provider, say a mobile application or ringtone. This also may work.

                  The bottom line is, people do buy items through their phones. But they don't do so in the traditional sense. They purchase applications, mobile ringtones,ect all of which are either billed directly on their phone bill. Or the merchant is presetup where they only need to login with a user name and password and click checkout.

                  I'll give you an example http://www.tapjoy.com , Tapjoy is a marketing agency that uses several ad networks to target cell phone users. Let's say you have a "daily reminder application for the iphone, sort of electronic organizer that has more bells and whistles that what comes with it". Cellphone users have an interest in your product, and when they see your sales advertisement on their cellphone. They click the "buy now" button on the advertisement and it's presetup to electronically debit from their account. No entering name,address,city,email,credit card #. That's a typical transaction that hundreds of thousands of cellphone users make yearly. It works and is proven to work, because it's easy and less hasle than entering all the customer information.

                  Now, if a large advertising network does it this way, And it's shown to work (otherwise they probably wouldn't be in business for a long time). Why would they choose to do it this way, over having a simple checkout page. Think it costs them more to program the application to checkout, they have to handle more backend work, databases,ect. Simple, because really the ONLY way people buy things on their devices.

                  The app store on iphone, works in a similar fashion. The users don't sit their entering all their information. Why? Because 90% of the people wouldn't do it, and of the 10% that may tediously bog through it, 9.9% get turned off when they have to repeatidly enter their address because they made a typo or something didn't go through. So they say forget it, it's too much hasle.
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              • Profile picture of the author WealthWinners
                Very good points you make.

                But I have one question. Why am I a sheep because I actually believed what the sales page said? Or should I assume all sales pages are lying?

                Perhaps it is because I look to find products with integrity and truth in advertising. Or maybe I am just being naive.

                I have been fortunate to have been able to find some product that over deliver. Once you find those, it is hard to not feel like you been "taken" by someone who says that they are going to reveal to you a method, then shows you how you can make money "now" only to lose more after following instructions.

                MOST people do not think outside the box. I am not most people. I see this has potential. But I know that most people will do exactly what the instructions say. Which is why I did it the way I did.

                I figured that if I follow the instructions, get an honest result, and report it accurately, then I will be able to promote this in good conscience and KNOW that the product works like it says it will.

                I think following instructions is actually a lost art. :p

                Of course, if I always followed instructions, then I would still be working as a cubicle slave...ROFL



                Originally Posted by YesIamSam View Post

                Well, let me say two things, and I'm not defending the product at all. If it doesn't deliver on the second module, I'll cancel it as well...BUT:

                1. Yes, it's untargeted, which is why you have to advertise general offers. You can't use targeted offers... You have no target audience. Try Zip Submits, Email Submits and similar stuff. Something people can just enter their email or zip code. Like stated above, who the heck would buy a clickbank product and type in credit card info on an iphone?

                Think sales psychology. You are interrupting people when they are browsing for something. Since you aren't using targeted traffic, they aren't searching for something in particular. How many would REALLY want a clickbank product while on the phone? How many would really want an **** free trial product? Nah, don't think so. General offers... "Oh, wait, I can get a free Dell computer? Ok, I'll give it a try and type in my crap-email."

                2. There are other mobile advertising networks... With more options on targeting... Think outside of the box. Don't just follow instructions like sheep. Did you really think he was going to give away how to make thousands of dollars using this for only $20?
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              • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
                Originally Posted by YesIamSam View Post


                Don't just follow instructions like sheep. Did you really think he was going to give away how to make thousands of dollars using this for only $20?

                Thats just stupid.

                For $20 or whatever the price, if you claim something can be done by following the course and instructions and it can't be done, epecially by any significant amount of people that are implementing it, thats ________________.

                Thats all you have, instructions, for if you knew it yourself, you would not need to purchase.

                Promising/ advertising something and not delivering is called a ________.

                People don't pay money, even $20 , just to play "detective" or "solve the puzzle" if you are the "smart few" to find the "hidden" clue in information that's ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR that unleashes the "real" money.

                That would be ______ , _________ and __________.

                If one is not going to spell it out in the information one is charging for, be honest and keep the entire secret to oneself and simply don't sell any part of it.

                People dont pay $20 or any amount for CLUES and PUZZLES....very ______ logic and very sound logic for a ____ ____ and/or future ____ ______.

                Tried to get my points across....the blanks YOU can fill in, don't want to be accused of bashing, commenting on the logic of the above quote.

                The 13 th Warrior
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          • Profile picture of the author netwiseprofits
            Hi guys, it's been a while since I last posted.

            I have the Cell Phone Cash program. I am at week 5 and here is what is outlined for this week:

            Video 2 - Proven Concepts
            Video 3 - Organizing Your Offers
            Video 4 - Loading Your Offers
            Video 5 - Monitoring Your Offers
            Video 6 - Demonstration For Proven Concepts
            Video 7 - Demonstration For Organizing Your Offers
            Video 8 - Demonstration For Monitoring Your Offers

            My first attempt to say the least sucked, made zero sales, I started with just $50.

            However I have since used it with regards to CPA offers to people on iphones. As people are used to touch screens on iphones I found CPA offers work well.

            I started another test with only $50, I got over 63,000 impressions and click thru rate of 1.56% which totaled 1000 clicks and I got 131 people to take advantage of the CPA I was offering.

            I got paid $1.50 for each lead I made $196.50 minus the $50 I put up I made a profits of $146.50. All of which took place in the span of 45 minutes. I have since done more and with the same results just on a bigger scale.

            Mack made his money by sending people to You Tube to watch a video's of offers and such.

            Bottom line like any other advertising method there is a learning curve even if you have instructions.

            The only thing I am not thrilled with is the wait time between modules.

            Later
            Leo
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            • Profile picture of the author dannynz
              Originally Posted by netwiseprofits View Post


              I started another test with only $50, I got over 63,000 impressions and click thru rate of 1.56% which totaled 1000 clicks and I got 131 people to take advantage of the CPA I was offering.

              I got paid $1.50 for each lead I made $196.50 minus the $50 I put up I made a profits of $146.50. All of which took place in the span of 45 minutes. I have since done more and with the same results just on a bigger scale.
              Leo, great news! Can you give us more detail please. e.g. What were you selling? What was the advert - what did it say?

              ... if nothing please tell us what did you deliver to them once they touched on the advert? Was it a URL website, what was on the page? Can you give us the URL or by Private Message? This is the most important information because I get all the rest, it is getting this part right.

              I have a video test running now but Admob are not giving me the impressions I need to see if it is working. It is an page to enter an email to view a video. Just watching the video I doubt will get much of a results ) I tested that.

              Originally Posted by netwiseprofits View Post

              Mack made his money by sending people to You Tube to watch a video's of offers and such.
              All good, but where are the examples, second how do you make an offer after a you tube video has been shown on the iphone? you can not click and go to a page etc?

              If you can please give us the feed back please.

              Danny
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          • Profile picture of the author lemon200
            cell phone cash maybe promising,but I doubt the effectiveness of it will buzzing the world of IM soon,cell phone cash need to wait there moment until people can use it to purchased,just like what happen with internet in which required "credit card popularity first before it make fortune to many marketer
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          • Profile picture of the author isee
            I bought the course when it first came out. The cellphone marketing angle seems intriguing and on paper you can see how it could work.
            Initially I was pleased at the detail and ease of description on how to go about promoting primarily through Admob.

            Unfortunately like other posters who tried it here, the 'quick moneymaking start' info by promoting clickbank products is an instant cash vaporiser. I blew $150 on a few campaigns in a day. Later in the course we're advised not to use Clickbank offers - very contradictory.

            There is a heck of alot of repetition too. I'm finding that I'm fast forwarding a number of the videos.

            I think it could work for CPA offers and by using You Tube. A real shame as it isn't in my view delivering on its early promise.
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          • Profile picture of the author Texson5
            Hi all.

            I too bought the cell phone cash system and already got my money back.

            When I joined I took and read the "sales" page 2 or 3 times just to make sure I knew what I was buying into.

            After I signed up I logged into the members area and had 8 video's to
            watch. I was excited as this seemed to be very easy and straight forward.

            I went to where Micheal tells you to sign up ( it is free to sign up) to start
            posting your adds and then paid for my advertising. It is a minimum of
            $50.00 for advertising that you must pay for. My fiist add was shown 71,000 + times, and the click through rate was 1.5% but not one single purchase.

            The item I was promoting was a website that you joined for $37.00 that
            let you download unlimited ring tones and games for your iPhone and other
            phones that could download these items.

            I decided to put that ad on pause and then added a new ad promoting something else and put in the $50.00 and a few minutes later was told that the ad was rejected.

            When I signed back in I did not see the $50.00 I added for the new ad and
            it was not listed on the other ad that was on pause. When I checked my
            bank account that second $50.00 had indeed been withdrawn, never
            returned.

            I called the ad company twice and even used their online email support and
            never heard from them and never received my $50.00 back.

            For those of you who say it is working for you great! But my experience with this program left a bad taste in my mouth.

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            • Profile picture of the author cobra tatham
              I too got my money back from this. Sent request to Clickbank and received refund within 2 days. I think smart phone marketing is the way to go but you will need deep pockets to learn the ropes. I feel that Cell Phone cash just didn't do it for me and it leaves out important info.

              Andy
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            • Profile picture of the author Graphix Guru
              Originally Posted by Texson5 View Post

              my experience with this program left a bad taste in my mouth.

              Jess, I never had a problem with Admob per se (other than the minor issue of never actually selling anything, despite oodles of clicks). Ahem.

              But despite the differences in our experience, at the end of the day we're in agreement on the course. It was crap, and it sounds like we both need a nice, powerful mint!

              Altoids anyone?
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          • Profile picture of the author Mosaic
            Hi, Warriors

            My 1st post here, so hi!

            I've been browsing this forum for a bit and just wanted to say thank you to everyone. I know I can always get an honest, unbiased opinion here from real people who have tried stuff.

            Anyway, I got the pitch for this product in my inbox today. Pretty slick. I agree that the cell phone market could be an amazing thing, but IMO this product isn't the ticket.

            I agree with everyone about buying clickbank products from my cell phone - just wouldn't happen. I think CPA offers would work pretty well, though.

            Well, his price has gone up to $67 per month now. Thank goodness I checked here 1st, because I also didn't realize it was monthly.

            Until I see some more positive feedback on this product, I'm out.
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        • Profile picture of the author Chaz Foxx
          d**N too late... But Really your making $328,000 a month and your really going to show others. Hmm Idk.
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          • Profile picture of the author l23bc
            Originally Posted by Chaz Foxx View Post

            d**N too late... But Really your making $328,000 a month and your really going to show others. Hmm Idk.

            chaz you said that well, i throught you was saying that to me,

            anyway just to let you know anyway spent $50 on ad costs and spent 5 dollars so far but no sales which is weird so will be using up my credits and sticking to cpa offers in the future


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            • Profile picture of the author WealthWinners
              drumroll please....

              Summary of activity : 2009-08-05 to 2009-09-04
              Total Impressions:216,769
              Total Clicks:1,229
              Average CTR: 0.57%
              Average CPC: $0.04
              Total Cost: $49.16

              pasted from the reporting section of the service.

              CB sales? ZERO

              *sigh*

              Think I should ask for a refund of the remaining .84? LOL. They stopped the campaign because I ran out of funds. ya think?

              Ok, so hard lesson learned. Time to move on to bigger and better things.

              There is one other thing I want to mention.

              And this is thinking outside the box. I don't have the talent for it but someone here probably does, so I am giving away this nugget for free...

              Whoever can write a way to take a regular website and easily convert it to mobile app will be rich. I mean I know we can all go in and create a way for our site to work on mobile apps but that isn't what I am talking about.

              I am saying that someone should create a way to put in a url and magically make it transform to app size on your screen. Maybe there is something like that and I am just unaware.

              I only use my cell phone for emergencies so I don't have anything other than basic service.

              So if something like that already exists, please forgive my ignorance.

              Thanks for all the insight and posts guys. Next time, I will let someone else try. teehee
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              • Profile picture of the author asnorth
                I suspect one of the later modules will talk about landing pages, and maybe that is the way around it.
                Create a presell/landing page for the clickbank product at yourdomain.com, then create an optimized for mobile page at yourdomain.com/mobile. On the mobile page give enough bullet points etc to entice them to go to their computer and get further information on yourdomain.com.
                What do you think, is this too many steps maybe?
                It's a shame the guys that said they had earnt from this already have gone quiet...

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                • Profile picture of the author l23bc
                  Originally Posted by asnorth View Post

                  I suspect one of the later modules will talk about landing pages, and maybe that is the way around it.
                  Create a presell/landing page for the clickbank product at yourdomain.com, then create an optimized for mobile page at yourdomain.com/mobile. On the mobile page give enough bullet points etc to entice them to go to their computer and get further information on yourdomain.com.
                  What do you think, is this too many steps maybe?
                  It's a shame the guys that said they had earnt from this already have gone quiet...

                  Tony

                  Tony
                  I think in all the only people who earned form this are actully affilates via clickbank, i have lost 77 bucks from trying the method but got some coming back off the refund, so you have to try to find out
                  no bashing intended just my options,

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        • Profile picture of the author salman
          hi everybody,

          I bought cell phone cash last sunday and I immediately asked to delete my account, so I tried to contact the societey "maverick....." bit since sunday they didnt reply me, I cant contact them, I read on this forum that someone bought it and delete his account so if he can explain me please, I enter in the support desk as we have to do, to post a "ticket" they say tey receive it but I had to log in to have a response, but I cant log myself so if someone can help me, Ill really appreciate, thank you all.
          (Ps: Im french so forgive me if there is any mistake)
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          • Profile picture of the author WealthWinners
            Salman, cancel through clickbank, they will resolve it within 2 days at most. Find the email receipt from clickbank and go to their customer support, use the dropdown to show you want to cancel and put a brief comment that you want to cancel and submit it. The one thing that CL is good for is refunds. Don't bother going through the sellers site.

            Incidentally, I checked out the address of this program and it is a virtual office.

            Cynthia A.! Hey girl! I actually found your site (in your sig) the day after I purchased this program. I watched your video about this guys previous system. Was enlightening. (don't want to get banned, so will leave it at that...LOL)

            I remember in the beginning of my IM adventure I didn't always "test" products out. Like everyone else, the idea is to make money. But I found that as I continued to put my name out there and try new things, I got very jaded because there were so many crap products I was selling. So I changed early on.

            I will say this though...this is the get rich slow method...LOL. By not selling every new thing that is launched and trying things out first, it takes much longer.

            Is that to say I will never promote a program that I have not tried? No, because if I have tried one product from someone and the product was good, and they produce another, I will base my trust on my previous purchase.

            With that said, the other is true. Now that I have seen your video, and tried this product, this will be on my "no" list.

            Believe me, the last thing I want to do is be critical of anyone's choices, because I have not walked in their shoes. So I don't judge.

            But in planning for future things, like maybe creating my own product, if people ever decide to "check me out" a few years down the road, I don't want to be attached to things that could come back and bite me later..LOL.

            Thank you for the compliment.
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            • Profile picture of the author WealthWinners
              I just want to say thanks to everyone for their open and honest views, opinions and those who are still trying to product to continue to give feedback.

              As I continue to follow this thread, the pattern revealed has said that the actual product itself is substandard.

              You guys are all way ahead of me in the IM world, so I really respect your views and opinions. Both for and against this product.

              The bottom line - This product does not deliver based on following the teachings.

              I will enjoy knowing which one of you will take the entire course, figure out it's nuggets, toss the garbage, and create a product that will over-deliver and really teach people how to use this method for marketing.

              This method has huge potential for someone who has the resources to do that. Just do it honestly and not like this guy did it, and you will make a killing. (not to mention a great reputation for quality products.)

              Of course, do it as a WSO first so you can get the bugs worked out.
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              • Profile picture of the author jempub
                Hello there Fellow Warriors.

                Gary here.

                I've got an update on yet ANOTHER test I did
                with this system...

                Here's the results so far...

                Product: A CB product for phone apps

                Impressions: 59,849

                Clicks: 475

                CTR: 0.79%

                Budget Spent: $42.23

                Sales: ONE for $22.50.

                Further updates coming...

                Talk soon,
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                • Profile picture of the author ed41143
                  Hey Gary and everyone else that has posted about this product.

                  Gary, I would really hate to see you spend any more money promoting, but wish you the best.

                  I too bought the product and am going to give it the first three weeks to see if anything substancial is shared with us, but if not, then why keep it, know what I mean?

                  I had joined his other program back last year and he does present some great information, but upon trying some of the techniques, I was never able to produce the results that he proclaimed nor even close.

                  I am very dissappointed at his advertising and promotion methods and like someone else here, paused my campaign to learn more before proceeding after reading some of the posts here, but thanks to everyone for all their imput and I look forward to hearing more about this program.

                  Ed
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                  • Profile picture of the author ed41143
                    WealthWinners, you are great for spending so much of your time here and trying to fill everyone in.

                    My hats off to you and so many others too.

                    Thanks,
                    Ed
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                    • Profile picture of the author Global365
                      Had a chance to look at the first module and he did state that it is a fast start module..
                      the fact that there are 6 more modules with an additional 43 videos tells me that there is a lot more to this then the simple fast start aspect....

                      It truly sucks that they have dismal support and drip feed the videos but it will be interesting to see the rest of the videos. I would suggest NOT implementing this until you have the full picture, or at least that is my plan..
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              • Profile picture of the author brand-all
                Originally Posted by WealthWinners View Post

                I just want to say thanks to everyone for their open and honest views, opinions and those who are still trying to product to continue to give feedback.

                As I continue to follow this thread, the pattern revealed has said that the actual product itself is substandard.

                You guys are all way ahead of me in the IM world, so I really respect your views and opinions. Both for and against this product.

                The bottom line - This product does not deliver based on following the teachings.

                I will enjoy knowing which one of you will take the entire course, figure out it's nuggets, toss the garbage, and create a product that will over-deliver and really teach people how to use this method for marketing.

                This method has huge potential for someone who has the resources to do that. Just do it honestly and not like this guy did it, and you will make a killing. (not to mention a great reputation for quality products.)

                Of course, do it as a WSO first so you can get the bugs worked out.
                Wealthwinners you have just hit the foundation stone for why this great forum works & what it is here for.
                Before buying any IM product, promise or promotion we should all just come here and read the reports coming in from around the world.

                With this product and this guy, it was easy for me because I remembered another thread from early this year. It was a thread about one of his other promotions and the feedback in that thread convinced me never to buy anything that this guy promotes.

                Just put this guy's name into the search box of this forum and you'll learn what I know, Cynthia knows and many others know.

                In fact I'm now turned off of the affiliate marketer who emailed me about it. If he promotes this guys stuff he obviously doesn't give a hoot about the customer (me) so I'll be blocking him from now on also.

                Hope you are reading this Matt.
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                • Profile picture of the author Wuuki
                  Hi,

                  Now he is even using his income from CellPhoneCash "program" to promote his latest
                  coaching membership site. Amazing.

                  This Cell phone desaster is making him $100,000 per month.

                  Now, I can say I really learned something out of buying this course and sharing the insights with you in this forum.

                  So, let's do us better and create a membership site that deserves to bring in this kind of money.

                  Take care,

                  Volker

                  PS: Most of the time I am glad to be in the PPC/PPV biz and not selling something to other internet marketers......
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                  • Profile picture of the author godsgood
                    Well, I bought this about 3 weeks ago. It is not like me at all to purchase something without first finding reviews of the product (although, in this case most reviews are from affiliates just selling it anyway), but it sounded so unique and such a new concept that I guess I just got too excited over the possibilities. Had I searched it, I would have found this wonderful thread earlier and not wasted my time or money. I just gained access to week 3, and am not even going to bother watching it. I am not going to reiterate what all the previous posts have said about the course, I will only say I wholeheartedly agree, and sincerely hope no one that reads this will still go and purchase the course because "maybe it will work for them."

                    My personal experience: I was excited after watching the first module, and promptly went and put $50 (which I couldn't really afford in the first place) into admob to start a campaign. From reading the disclaimer below the videos, I knew even though he was showing clickbank "make money" products, not to promote them. What I did instead was promote a clickbank product that had a short intro page, asking for name and email only in return for a free report. No video. It then took them to a sales page, which I figured right off that no one would read all the way to the bottom and buy. But I know the product will continue to promote for me through email after retaining the customers address, with my affiliate links embedded into the follow-up emails. So I figured I may get a sale from that.

                    The next day, the ad was approved. When the $50 was gone in the first few hours, and I had gotten over 1600 clicks, I was pretty excited, even though no actual sales had been recorded. The free report that was offered was sent over 10 days, and then normal autoresponder messages were sent thereafter. So I figured after the initial 10 days, I would at least see 1 or 2 sales. Nope. Zero, zilch, nada to this day, three weeks later.

                    After watching module two, I then decided to try a CPA offer, as I had never heard of being able to get paid this way, and thought that this was probably the ticket. Signed up for MaxBounty, got approved the next day, and started searching for an offer that would work with the iPhone. Once I found what I thought would work well, I went and set up a campaign, this time targeting certain geographical areas, and ages. However, an unexpected bill had come up, and I didn't have the $50 to add to the account. That was when I found this forum. Thank God! So now I am just going to continue (or rather get my rear in gear and begin ) the other ways of marketing that I have learned.

                    I did ask for a refund through Clickbank, and also pleaded with them to remove this product from their marketplace (fat chance :p). I also asked for a refund of the $79 I spent to join his Maverick Money Makers club, which is also not worth the monthly fee if you ask me, but that is for another thread I guess. Once I get the refund, I will promptly turn around and spend LESS THAN that same amount of money, and join the War Room here .

                    Thanks for reading, hope it wasn't too long and boring.
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                    • Profile picture of the author godsgood
                      Wow, I have been totally putting off article marketing because of the thought that I couldn't write, but I just realized my post above was 582 words. And would probably be helpful to someone that just stumbled across it. Easier than I thought! Maybe this will be my first article...

                      Bridgett
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                      • Profile picture of the author ezgoldrun
                        Hi, everybody:

                        Being a stay-at-home Dad for now, I have been looking for something to augment our family income that I can spend about 20 hours per week doing. Not looking for anything over-the-top income wise, but being realistic while cutting through the fluff of overblown income potential statements by most IM-promoting charlatans out there.

                        I did not buy into the income projection claims about cell phone advertising made by Maverick Money Makers, but it did look promising if I kept realistic and reasonable income projections in mind for my efforts. So, with an open mind and a bit of skepticism, I jumped in. The monthly fee was not going to break the bank, so I could justify the expense.

                        Like so many others on this thread, my first foray into Admob left me $50 lighter in the pocket without one single sale. While doing some research on the Web into why this happened (the customer support rep at MMM I spoke with was NO help whatsoever) I stumbled upon WF and this topic. Having read through the entire thread, I decided to throw in my two cents, also.

                        I just completed week five and finally became frustrated with the same (and sometimes conflicting) elementary marketing fundamentals being rehashed and spoon fed in tiny increments. Today I contacted CB and asked to have my membership to Maverick Coaching canceled.

                        Being somewhat new to IM, I did glean a few helpful tips on keyword research from the training, but I too feel that this industry is too new for any but the most serious and deep-pocketed individuals or companies to jump into the fray.

                        The final nail in the coffin was when I learned that Google is looking to finalize their deal to acquire Admob.

                        I truly feel that those of you more expert and dedicated folks who are tweaking your methods to make this thing work will one day be met with great success. I don't have the bandwidth or knowledge to dedicate to those kinds of efforts, so I'll leave it to the professionals.

                        Lastly, before anyone decides to purchase this coaching, please take a peek at the user comments and questions posted on Admob's own Advertiser Forum--they're not too far off from what is being said here at WF.


                        Sincerely,
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                        • Profile picture of the author dannynz
                          Hi Norman, great post. Also glad you found the forum and truth on MMM and his non-success products. Yes it is hard work to get this to work. In 2010 my team are going to test out a few more things.

                          I sent an email to Admob hoping to get some feed back on my recently fully iphone optimized page which resulted in zero opt-ins ... but still waiting 2 months later.

                          Regards

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                    • Profile picture of the author dannynz
                      Originally Posted by godsgood View Post


                      Thanks for reading, hope it wasn't too long and boring.
                      No Bridgett your post was great - well done, yes you could write articles, focus on it more. Glad you managed to get a refund on what truly is a terrible product - shocking that Click bank allows it to be sold when it has such a bad track record and high rate of refunds.

                      regards

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          • Profile picture of the author l23bc
            I beleive you are commenting on me because i cancelled my account with ease whats you have to do is with clickbank when you purchased the product you would of got a clickbank notification email saying how much you paid for the product and in the email it has a customer service link

            NOw if you got to that link take the transaction link id (if you paid by paypal e,g #9283737373 for examlple) it will ask you for that when you click on support then you can put a cancel refund request in the clickbank and choose the product didnt meet expections, write refund requested in box and send you will get your refund in five working days,

            hope that helps
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            Originally Posted by salman View Post

            hi everybody,

            I bought cell phone cash last sunday and I immediately asked to delete my account, so I tried to contact the societey "maverick....." bit since sunday they didnt reply me, I cant contact them, I read on this forum that someone bought it and delete his account so if he can explain me please, I enter in the support desk as we have to do, to post a "ticket" they say tey receive it but I had to log in to have a response, but I cant log myself so if someone can help me, Ill really appreciate, thank you all.
            (Ps: Im french so forgive me if there is any mistake)
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        • Profile picture of the author bd1292
          Ok gang, so here is my take on this whole thing. The only people making money is Admob, Maverick Money Makers, Cell Phone Cash Mavericks or whatever they call themselves. It looks like I have fallen victim to yet another slick sales pitch. The smooth calm voice, the astonishingly huge ClickBank reports, and the overly hyped potential earnings are all just smoke and mirrors. Trust me, I wanted to believe in this. I stayed awake half the night when I first signed up thinking about the potential this had. I dreamed of finally being able to make money in a brand new niche that had yet to be saturated by every Tom, Dick, and Harry. I actually thought beyond a shadow of doubt, that this could actually work.

          All I see now are blogs, articles and others promoting the program with no real tangible results by anyone. If anyone is making money, it is off their affiliate link not actually using the program itself. Just a guess, I could be all wrong.

          So here is my timeline. I signed up for Cell Phone Cash on Wednesday, September 2, 2009. Spent several hours reviewing the instructional videos and followed each step as outlined. I immediately created several ads and had them approved within 2 days by Admob. I guess they have been so overwhelmed with traffic that it is literally taking a day or so to get your ad approved.

          So far I have spent $150.00 (will not spend another dime) with Admob and have had over 100,000 impressions with over 2,000 clicks. As of 9/9/09 at approximately 10:15pm, I HAVE NOT HAD ONESALE!!!!! Please help me if I am doing something wrong here, but it is not as simple as it sounds. I went to ClickBank and specifically chose Money, Health & Beauty and Dating just as Mr. Mack told us to do. I chose ads that did not have video content, ads that appealed to younger crowds, ads that helped people financially, bla bla bla. I even went over to LinkShare and Plimus just to try out some of their products designed specifically for the iPhone. NOTHING HAS WORKED!!!

          Now that Week 2 has been released, I see no real content or value whatsoever. The only thing I got out of it is to now sign up with ROI Rocket. Mr. Mack then enlightens everyone that the best way to make money with cell phones is to create a YouTube video of yourself marketing some product that you have personally tried. And oh by the way, don't take the long hard road of creating a product yourself. Be sure to take the short easy road and promote products offered through ClickBank and ROI Rocket. What a crock of sh__. Now that I think about it, do I want spam or other crap sent to me on my cell phone? I get enough through email as it is. Don't you think that Apple, AT&T, Verizon, and all the other telco giants have already figured this out?

          As you can tell, I am not a happy camper. How much more money am I going to throw away before I find something that can make a few extra bucks. I hate to bash this program, because I really felt it would do well. I prayed that this would finally be my golden ticket, but so far has turned out to be a total flop.

          FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS SACRED AND HOLY, IS THERE A PROGRAM OUT THERE THAT SOMEONE CAN SHOW ME THAT CAN LIVE UP TO IT'S HYPE!!!!! I am not looking to be a millionaire in 1 month. I would be happy with an extra $1,000.00 - $2,000. Please, someone respond and share with me their experiences and "show me the light".

          I am done rambling. Thanks for listening.

          BD1292
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          • Profile picture of the author dannynz
            hi bd1292

            the best program I have found is 30day challenge - thirtydaychallenge dot com - and it is all free.

            now a member of 30 day challenge plus which is the paid side but you should do the free training and setting up of the sites etc first. it requires work I am afraid.

            i have a group and can offer mentoring. my exp. and work is business dev. specialising in branding, web marketing and advanced seo.

            about to do more testing on the cell phone marketing concept, and now doing my own thing, not directly what Mach was teaching cause it doesnt work. from extensive research, I think it will work u just have to be very careful, creative, plan, test and use certain little tricks I have found.

            talk soon

            dont give up

            danny
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  • Profile picture of the author bobmcalister
    well just for the books.
    you can do this without any thing other than a mobi site optimized, use it with local/regional merchants to distribute ads, coupons etc.
    do if per coupon redeemed or build a list for the merchant.
    Granted this is not free to anyone, but the investment is in a product you own. So contact some merchants, talk about mobile marketing, combine a program using twitter, etc.

    the catch is that the site has to be optimized for mobile...otherwise it doesnt display. Contact can be made by building a list of followers thru social networks.

    hope this helps

    and Gary , I have never had any good results from content advertising. It sounds great , but didnt work for me either...ran thru 300 one time , and 200 the next with not one sale...had over 88k impressions and a click thru rate of about 2% with no sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author MoneyPlus
    Thank God for the Warrior Forum. I was all jazzed up and ready to buy cell phone cash, even had the credit card out. But after reading all these post, I don't hear about anyone making the big bucks. I think I'll hold off.

    You just saved me $25 bucks.
    Thank You!
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  • Profile picture of the author Didi
    Thank God I found this post regarding about this product. I was hyped up and ready to invest in this program but after seeing all the posts pertaining to this product, I think I'll pass.

    Seems like the traffic is untargetted and this is bad news especially when you have to pay for the advertising. Maybe this program is better suited for CPA offers. One good point that was pointed out, people don't really make purchases (things like ebooks, hardwares or even health products) thru their cell phones.

    If you have the money to spend on advertising, PPC is one good option. The traffic is targetted and if you find that Google Adwords may be too competitive for you (within your niche), Yahoo and MSN would be another good alternative as they are not as competitive compared to Google. I may be wrong but that's just my opinion

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  • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
    Perhaps the best way to make money from Cell Phone Cash is by mugging people, stealing their cell phone and selling it on Ebay or down the pub.

    I wouldn't advise it nor this course.
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  • Profile picture of the author NicholasP
    OnlineMarketingSys,

    Couldn't have said it better! Absolutely agree with you and I have been a mobile designer 5 years ago. CPA offers with simple email or zipcode submission is the only way to go. Even with a great browser and iPhone device, it is great for browsing but not for form submission and eCommerce.

    And I have reviewed the 7 videos in Module One. Promising though.

    Nick
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    • Profile picture of the author WealthWinners
      (still waiting for the ad to end to post the results...yawn)

      OnlineMarketingSys, thank you so much for that insight! At this point I am going to chalk this up to a learning experience and taking one for the team.

      Unfortunately, not owning an iPhone puts me at a disadvantage. Because I think having one would have made me think more about how I would have used it.

      Oh well. At least others can learn from what they read here. Been an interesting ride! woo

      Sharon
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      • Originally Posted by WealthWinners View Post

        (still waiting for the ad to end to post the results...yawn)

        OnlineMarketingSys, thank you so much for that insight! At this point I am going to chalk this up to a learning experience and taking one for the team.

        Unfortunately, not owning an iPhone puts me at a disadvantage. Because I think having one would have made me think more about how I would have used it.

        Oh well. At least others can learn from what they read here. Been an interesting ride! woo

        Sharon
        It's really not your fault, you followed the directions of a system you were told that works. Unfortunatly as you and others have found out, Clickbank products are probably one of the worst items to market with this medium (unless they are your own cb products).

        More than likely the seller of this system had originally created the modules and intended to release the whole set or probably certainly more than the first. However, it didn't work out with his subscription idea and really wanted to make more money. Remember how it was every four weeks for each module and then 7 day's. In any regard, I'm sure he's receiving quite a few cancelations, but he's probably doesn't care. I wouldn't be surprised if he's paid a healthy commission by the ad networks for people that click through his links. And how many of you that signed up with the ad network did so, I know I personally did. I wouldn't be surprised if every referring url that had came from his site, he got paid probably a health commission. Not to mention his cookie probably got saved, so when you came back latter if you didn't purchase immediatly he probably still got paid.

        In any case going back to your example above. Open up the site, are you going to want to zoom in and out, scroll left and right to read the sales pitch? More than likely not, and that is why companies use software to detect versions and have iphone html designed pages. These pages pull up properly in the iphone and don't need to be scrolled all over the place.
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      • Profile picture of the author l23bc
        By the way people its not just iphones i too dont have a iphone because i dont see the point to them at all and over here in the u.k most iphones are on just one network which i dont like

        anyways just tried this method out on a km900 or the lg arena and my mate tried it on his iphone anway i used a CPA offer(dating niche)

        I did like a few in here and paid $50 for costs so i will keep you posted but the CPA dating site offer was optimized and had no video my my txt line was "looking for a date click here" so far had no results so possibly i may be on to clickbank for refund later but im not too sure because i dont want to feel like i could of missed out on something.

        anyway will let you lot know how i get on later
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        • Originally Posted by l23bc View Post

          By the way people its not just iphones i too dont have a iphone because i dont see the point to them at all and over here in the u.k most iphones are on just one network which i dont like

          anyways just tried this method out on a km900 or the lg arena and my mate tried it on his iphone anway i used a CPA offer(dating niche)

          I did like a few in here and paid $50 for costs so i will keep you posted but the CPA dating site offer was optimized and had no video my my txt line was "looking for a date click here" so far had no results so possibly i may be on to clickbank for refund later but im not too sure because i dont want to feel like i could of missed out on something.

          anyway will let you lot know how i get on later
          andy
          Very true depending on how you advertise, it can be on Iphone devices or internet capable cell phones.

          Let me ask you, did you actually go through signing up on the dating site or even better have your friend do so? The biggest obstical your going to run into in whether someone is going to want or can even easily fill out and complete the offer.

          I haven't looked at what's required to get paid out at dating offers. But I would venture they pay for a "completed new user" and "paid user". So in this case, someone has to enter their email address, zip code, date of birth gender, birthday. Then they have to actually create the profile: with their tagline, about them, who they are seeking, religion, ethnicity, hair color, smoking habits you name it. And that is just for being a registered user, you actually want them to possibly enter all their billing information,ect.

          You really need to go through the whole purchase cycle. And if your the one trying it- if it's frustrating and taking a long time for you (chances are your "customers" have already given up).

          Call up your friend and seriously ask him to log in and fill out the offer on his iPhone. I imagine that in 10 minutes your going to get a call, say that "forget it". Or if he does actually complete the full signup, with actual information - "who he's seeking,ect" , that it was a pain and really had to struggle to finish it.
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  • Profile picture of the author tjk1058
    Well so far I promoted 2 different CB products... went through approx $37 before pausing my campaigns (no sales) as I still think that CB products may not be the way to go.

    I'm watching this thread to see other results before deciding to continue.

    TedK
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  • Let's end this Tomfoolery /n pl : 1. Foolish bahavior 2. Something trivial or foolish;nonsense Directly from Admob- This system is fundamentally flawed and will NOT work.

    So let's get down to examining this system, along with the support staff from Admob and their response in their own words. So the creator of this system reports astonishing results, which all but one person here has been unable to reproduce. So who's right and who's wrong? And what does the advertising network say (remember these are the guy's that have all the numbers and stats). We'll look at all of this, as well as the question "why does my advertising budget get exhausted in 5-60 minutes, when none of my adwords campaigns or ppc campaigns do"

    Here is Admob's answer Taken from their official support - Google Group.

    AdMob Advertiser Discuss | Google Groups (From the topic:
    Advertiser Best Practices When Promoting Free vs. Paid Applications Options)

    or directly from Admob's site http://www.admob.com/home/help/helpf...s/iphoneAdTips

    "There are essentially two types of applications an advertiser can advertise, Free or Paid. Depending on the application, conversion rates for free apps are typically around 10%, but vary from 5-20% depending on the app. This means that for every 100 people who click on your advertisement, roughly 10 will install your app."

    So in other words, if I am giving away my application it's going to cost me roughtly $3.00 to aquire 10 new users or $30 to aquire 100 new users. So let's say we have a email submit offer, after scrubbing (were likely going to be left with 6/10 leads if not less). So we hopefully would make $6 - $3 for advertising = $3.00 Net. Now that is if we are lucky!

    Even worse: For the Clickbank method that has been advised to us:

    "Historically, conversion rates are far lower for paid apps with generally only 1% of clicks converting into paid customers. This means that for every 100 people who click on your advertisement, roughly 1 will install your app. For many paid apps, this may result in a cost per acquisition that may be higher than the sales price of the app. "

    Ok, one word that comes to mind is WOW. Now to examine this: The first thing to notice is these are for applications, meaning the customer only has to click on the application and their purchase is electronically debited from the Apps store. So no entering customer information, credit card info, ect on a small mobile device. Not to mention most of these paid applications are between 99cents-$5.00 max. We are asking customers to pay in some cases 10 times as much...

    So guess what folks, in our case the conversion rate is going to be even less that 1%, if we are lucky maybe a .5% or less. OUCH!

    But for illustration purposes let's say we spend $50 in advertising and see what we are left with.

    $50 = 1250 clicks at .04 cents. Which should give us 12 sales roughly. Now keep in mind the average cost of an application in the App store is $0.99

    So we effectively spent $50 to make $12. Resulting in a NET LOSS of $38. Which closely matches what Admob's own support group mentioned :For many paid apps, this may result in a cost per acquisition that may be higher than the sales price of the app.

    Second let's examine the leads:
    Users have been reporting that $50 in leads get blown away almost instantly. Whereas most adwords campaigns run for at least a day. So clearly the leads are very untargetted, and don't convert. Just think - how does 100,000 impressions get made within minutes it's astonishing. Here are just a few recaps of users experiences. You can find more if you Google "Admob results".

    1st Candidate:
    The ad was live for about 30 minutes. It received
    26,815 impressions
    with 200 clicks resulting in an average
    CTR of 0.75% with an average
    CPC of $0.50.

    On Thursday, I received the sales numbers for Wednesday's BlackBook sales. They were a disappointing 16 sales. We average about that or more per day for the BlackBook, without the ads. Since we sell the BlackBook for 99 cents, we only make 70 cents per sale. With 16 sales, we made $11.20. $11.20 minus the $100 in ads, turns out to an $88.80 loss on the campaign.

    2nd Candidate:
    ran an ad in the US only.
    He promoted a game that cost $0.99

    Day before: 11 sales.
    584 Clicks and $29.20 poorer ...
    Next day 6 sales.
    Conversion rate -5 ?
    NET RESULT : LOSS ON CAMPAIGN

    3rd Candidate:
    What were the results?:
    Targeted us: 20cents per click
    Impressions: 45,000
    Clicks 200
    Cost $50

    Non targetted :$0.04 click
    Impressions: 178,418
    Clicks 1,159
    CTR 0.65%
    Cost $50.00

    Not so bad I thought, but... wait a minute, how many people bought your app?, you might think. What is the return of my investment with admob? The results are nothing but simply INCREDIBLE. The sales of my $100 USD Advertising campaign were: 2

    So let me Ask you a question Admob.... Do you mean that after I've spent ONE HUNDRED BUCKS in advertising with you, I get $1.4 USD???? NET LOSS $98.60


    Recap:

    So if your going to invest in this system, just remember that your actions may be Tomfoolery. No one here has reported earnings from using this system (other than stephan and he's advertising the product), nor does Admobs own support group using their mathmatical and quantitative factual evidence support this system.

    I personally would love to see someone actually prove both Admobs and my assessment wrong. But until more people start reporting positive results or someone can vouch for the campaigns. We are left with both the facts and figures that the ad network provided and the thousands of dollars they have watched of advertising flow through their netowrks.
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  • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
    I was looking at this yesterday.

    I think I'll give this a miss for the time being.
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    • Profile picture of the author WealthWinners
      Wow! I only dropped back in on this thread this morning to see if anyone else had posted some results.

      OnlineMarketingSys, you did a lot of analogy on this. The information you provided will definitely be of help, thanks for all that work and insights.

      Gary, I think our posts will be enlightening enough for others to make their own judgement. It will be interesting to check back on this in a few weeks to see if there is anyone actually posting results that are positive.

      Have a great Labor Day weekend guys!
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      • Profile picture of the author Cass Tyson
        Wow, great thread everyone. I bought in, even after I got annoyed at the fact it's $25/month -- yes, I realized that before hand. I was also a bit annoyed at the fact I'll have to wait 7 days for the second module. And I never had any misguided belief that my CB account would look like his any time soon... but I believe that was not faked, and as such I will accept that he knows a hell of a lot more about PPC than I do.

        So I watched the vids, and followed along, and set up my ad. It was approved almost immediately, and after a couple of hours I check back and saw I was gettng a ton of impressions and even a few clicks! I got jazzed when after a mere $1.68 in admob spending, I saw an $11.05 sale in my CB account. I thought, hey, that's a pretty good deal! But after 168,093 impressions and 1,280 clicks, I saw NO more sales. That's $38.40 spent to make $11.05, so I turned the campaign off.

        I tried another product in the dating arena, spent $44 for 126,320 impressions to generate 1,486 clicks but this time, no sales at all. Next I will test an iPhone game--more inline with what iPhone users are likely to buy on the spur of the moment -- and I will report back how that works out.

        So far I'm very much in the red, but I see this as a very, very valuable education.

        Now here's my beef with the system -- I know that 1 sale in 56 page views is great, and that 1 sale in 1280 page views is a dismal failure. I know this, and most of you here know this, but there is NOTHING in this course explaining how to evaluate results. NOTHING! He talks about getting up and going right away, and definitely does show how to do it, but he's really lacking any explanation about how to manage your ad campaign.

        Nothing about split testing. Nothing about good ad writing. Nothing about how profit projections based on clicks paid for vs commissions earned... This is my major bone of contention. I submitted a support request asking for some clarification, and have not heard a peep as yet--it's been more than 48 hours now.

        Personally, I'm not going to give up yet. I see this is as true pushing the envelope marketing, and I plan to apply a little outside the box thinking to it. I think it can be KILLER if done correctly. I mean, really, where else can you get $.03 clicks for "make money" ads?!

        I think the key is in promoting the right product, within the correct parameters, and knowing how to manage it. I'm hoping there's more on this in the next module. If not, I may have to bail.

        But that's just my 2 cents.
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        • Profile picture of the author ben565
          Originally Posted by cassman View Post

          I mean, really, where else can you get $.03 clicks for "make money" ads?!
          i can get clicks cheaper than this on the ppv networks
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        • Originally Posted by cassman View Post


          So I watched the vids, and followed along, and set up my ad. It was approved almost immediately, and after a couple of hours I check back and saw I was gettng a ton of impressions and even a few clicks! I got jazzed when after a mere $1.68 in admob spending, I saw an $11.05 sale in my CB account. I thought, hey, that's a pretty good deal! But after 168,093 impressions and 1,280 clicks, I saw NO more sales. That's $38.40 spent to make $11.05, so I turned the campaign off.

          I tried another product in the dating arena, spent $44 for 126,320 impressions to generate 1,486 clicks but this time, no sales at all. Next I will test an iPhone game--more inline with what iPhone users are likely to buy on the spur of the moment -- and I will report back how that works out.

          So far I'm very much in the red, but I see this as a very, very valuable education.

          Now here's my beef with the system -- I know that 1 sale in 56 page views is great, and that 1 sale in 1280 page views is a dismal failure. I know this, and most of you here know this, but there is NOTHING in this course explaining how to evaluate results. NOTHING! He talks about getting up and going right away, and definitely does show how to do it, but he's really lacking any explanation about how to manage your ad campaign.
          Here is where you and most people differ. Personally I feel that the only value this education may impart is HOW TO LOOSE MONEY.

          If the adnetwork's say's on their own webpage that ""Historically, conversion rates are far lower for paid apps with generally only 1% of clicks converting into paid customers. This means that for every 100 people who click on your advertisement, roughly 1 will install your app. For many paid apps, this may result in a cost per acquisition that may be higher than the sales price of the app. " Meaning that you will spend more in advertising, that you will make in profit. Split testing, managing ads is a mute point. Remember, this statement is gained from millions of campaigns across thousands of advertisers, who spends $100,000 of dollars in advertising on their network.

          Clearly Admob is targetted or moving to working with large corporate advertisers, who can spend $3-10 per each new "customer". Car manufactures, fast food resturants, have insanely high budgets for marketing and many don't care whether they directly get sales, because their is no real way to measure results.
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  • Profile picture of the author l23bc
    No bashing intended it is great to see alot of people in here given this a trail and error yet i have just checked my own campaign and everyone is right, CPA offers do not work with the system at all so far i have lost 77 bucks and i hate to admit it but the words i quit are streaming to mind so much now.

    so i have filled in the clickbank return foam, have to say it was fun trying this out mind?

    andy
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    • Originally Posted by Neromancer View Post

      I got this as well - is there anything to it?
      Everyone who has tried this system has LOST money on it! And it's not only this system, even people that have used the underlying methodology and same adnetwork to drive traffic to their free application have not been pleased.

      Now if you can't even get a decent number of people to download your application thats being given away for free. You tell me what kind of luck your going to have convincing someone to part with $30-100 of their money on a Clickbank product.
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      • Profile picture of the author l23bc
        Originally Posted by OnlineMarketingSys View Post

        Everyone who has tried this system has LOST money on it! And it's not only this system, even people that have used the underlying methodology and same adnetwork to drive traffic to their free application have not been pleased.

        Now if you can't even get a decent number of people to download your application thats being given away for free. You tell me what kind of luck your going to have convincing someone to part with $30-100 of their money on a Clickbank product.
        I have stoked up the burner on the refund to clickbank and to be honest i did this a hour ago and its already been resloved by clickbank so i think there is more then me getting refunds, no bashng of product ment thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author SRLee
    Hi Warriors, I've updated the main post with Post #72, written by OnlineMarketingSys.

    Interesting thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author wingsofsuccess
    Hey Guys

    My experience...

    Created 2 ads - First - A CB product Second - My own product.

    After almost 3 days of waiting for the Ads to be approved, i saw that my CB Ad was disapproved and removed from the system all together. No whereabouts. My Ad went right into the blackness of the infinite space, never to return.

    There is no section called "disapproved Ads" where i can at least try to figure out what might have gone wrong. Luckily, i had kept a copy of my ads in an Excel sheet.

    This was late at night. So i slept.

    The next morning i got two mails. The first one at 1:43 AM telling me that my ad ( my own product) has been approved. The second one at 2:25 AM telling me that my balance of $50 had depleted. So within 42 minutes, i had blown up $50.

    I logged into my account and there were no sales. No Impressions. No CTR and no Stats.It has been more than 30 hours, and as of writing this, i do not see any stats in my account.

    I really do not know why. I am not sure if anyone else faced this problem.

    I know there were no sales because i haven't got any Paypal love (i sell my product through PP)

    That was for Admob.

    Now for the course itself.

    As with most other Warriors, i felt singed when i realized that i couldn't go through all the modules at once. Had to wait for 7 weeks. Wrote a support ticket, but no reply. It has been more than 48 hours.

    The entire concept of giving one module a week really irks me. Most of us have burned our fingers having "little-knowledge"... Had we got access to the other modules, we would have had the complete picture, and we would have known about the pitfalls to avoid.

    His sales page video with all that thousands per day....was really impressive. I can guess two things here.

    Either the video does not contain earnings just from his cellphone campaigns. It might contain all earnings from other sources as well.

    or

    He is really "the guy" and we all are missing something really important here.

    I don't know which one to believe. But want to believe the latter because i instinctively feel there is a lot of potential in his methods.

    -Abhi
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  • Profile picture of the author wingsofsuccess
    Hi

    An update...

    I just realized that to check my stats, i had to go to Reporting -> Custom.

    Ok, so here are my stats.

    Total Impressions: 64,761
    Total Clicks: 1,250
    Average CTR: 1.93%
    Average CPC: 0.04
    Total Cost: $50
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    • Originally Posted by wingsofsuccess View Post

      Hi

      An update...

      I just realized that to check my stats, i had to go to Reporting -> Custom.

      Ok, so here are my stats.

      Total Impressions: 64,761
      Total Clicks: 1,250
      Average CTR: 1.93%
      Average CPC: 0.04
      Total Cost: $50
      Well given all of the research and reporting done so far, I cannot say that I am surprised. One thing I am curious about is the Admob network, I am wondering if you have any analytics from your own site?

      Are the people that are viewing your offer from the advertisement, exiting right away or are they actually viewing your ad? I just cannot get over the CPC rate that offers are being filled at.

      Especially after reading this assessment out by Amethon, a research analytics and mobile performance marketer. www.Amethon.com

      Amethon Insights: Admob Marketplace ? Burning cash and fighting click-fraud

      "The biggest offender clicked through 458 times in about 30 minutes without going to any other page and we estimate that the total number of fraudulent clicks was around 13% of the total click throughs. This suggests that it is a serious problem for Admob and potentially other ad networks, and is something that advertisers need to consider when investing in these types of campaigns.
      So in summary, Admob is very good at generating traffic for our Mobile Analytics testing but I would hesitate to recommend it as a useful marketing tool given the restrictive budgeting capabilities, the quality of the subscribers and the high rate of click fraud."
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  • Profile picture of the author l23bc
    in all honesty you could say i pulled the plug when i could,At the right time like many on here because after i checked my account today i started with 50 dollars in my campagin and ended up with 5 cents after it all. but happly back up to 25 dollars as my point was before ladies and gentlemen of the warrior forum is that

    Stehenjames:Seriously and no bashing intended,just a fair remark, But how did you make money when even the network the creator said it in the videos that there could be problems, is there something the whole forum don't know with admob we missed pehaps

    I have tried it today since i downloaded the videos before cancelled the product watched them again could not get even a percentage to convert on a CPA ringtone offer from copec dot com

    clickbank i tried 4 different products and 2 were rejected by admob for not being optimized for the iphone, yet lost another 4 dollars also when the rejection happened,

    Anyway thats my report, The two words i hate in life is what i did and that was the words i quit!

    will post results later if anyone wishes to see.

    andy
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  • Profile picture of the author Vidar
    I've also bought the Cell Phone Cash program, and have a few questions.

    Mack says we can use Clickbank (CB) products to profit from this program.
    I had the same experiences as some of the other people in this thread, AdMob refused the CB websites, said it has to be optimized!
    AdMob doesn't give any information (as far as I could see) on how to or where can you optimize websites for the iPhone.
    Does anyone out there how to do optimize websites for iPhones?

    I've also tried to promote some CPA offers, where the websites are much smaller, but even some of these are not accepted by AdMob.
    So how can I know if a CPA offer is optimized so that AdMob accepts the website?
    I see on my own iPhone that when you display a 'big' website on your iPhone it lands as a
    ...../iPhone/ website.
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    • Profile picture of the author jempub
      You're best bet guys and gals is too stay
      FAR AWAY from this thing.

      Spend the $50.00 on a good ezine ad and
      build your list!

      Talk soon,
      Gary
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    • Profile picture of the author wizzie
      Originally Posted by Vidar View Post

      .....
      Does anyone out there how to do optimize websites for iPhones?
      ........
      Look at the developer FAQ section for dimensions and test your site in the simulator.
      TestiPhone.com - iPhone Application Web Based Simulator

      I've only positive results so far
      Don't give up to fast guys - you may see the light in week 2
      Yeaa its really crap we have to wait...
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      • Originally Posted by wizzie View Post

        Look at the developer FAQ section for dimensions and test your site in the simulator.
        TestiPhone.com - iPhone Application Web Based Simulator

        I've only positive results so far
        Don't give up to fast guys - you may see the light in week 2
        Yeaa its really crap we have to wait...
        What postive results? Are you saying that you have implimented the system and are making $100's or $1,000's a day after putting up your ad? Because, the only ones that I have seen is the seller of this system who claims after he launched his campaign with $50-100 in admob credit, he came back an hour later and saw $1000's of dollars in sales.

        Now no one else here can reproduce the same results. Personaly I find this whole discussion entertaining to say the least.

        But in the tutorial's he even say's you can "make money in 48 hours" and it's a "fast track guide". So by his own accounts, we should either all ask for what we did wrong or throw in the towel because if we can't get the "fundamentals" down we are doomed.
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        • Profile picture of the author jempub
          I've also noticed a marked increase in the price per
          clicks now...

          A few days ago it was .003 - .96cents.

          Now it's as high as $3.80 per click...something is
          NOT right at all...

          Maybe it's just all the poor guys/gals that have
          bought the course and have ran so many ads
          that the prices have increased.

          Anyway... I honestly doubt ANYONE is making
          money with this expect Mack M.

          Talk soon,
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        • Profile picture of the author wizzie
          Originally Posted by OnlineMarketingSys View Post

          What postive results? Are you saying that you have implimented the system and are making $100's or $1,000's a day after putting up your ad? Because, the only ones that I have seen is the seller of this system who claims after he launched his campaign with $50-100 in admob credit, he came back an hour later and saw $1000's of dollars in sales.

          Now no one else here can reproduce the same results. Personaly I find this whole discussion entertaining to say the least.

          But in the tutorial's he even say's you can "make money in 48 hours" and it's a "fast track guide". So by his own accounts, we should either all ask for what we did wrong or throw in the towel because if we can't get the "fundamentals" down we are doomed.
          Yes but not $1000s.
          I made one test campaign w. only $50, got 2 sales ~$13 in profit.
          Its not much but its positive results - I do much better with PPC.

          I sure hope the next module deliver more as im not surprised yet with the products lack of information or step-by-step guide as promised. Waiting 7 days for every module is crazy business > not how you get happy customers or honest testimonials... i think.

          I just don't think you should give up and get a refund fast - test it the next 2-3 weeks/modules.
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          • Originally Posted by wizzie View Post

            Yes but not $1000s.
            I made one test campaign w. only $50, got 2 sales ~$13 in profit.
            Its not much but its positive results - I do much better with PPC.

            I sure hope the next module deliver more as im not surprised yet with the products lack of information or step-by-step guide as promised. Waiting 7 days for every module is crazy business > not how you get happy customers or honest testimonials... i think.

            I just don't think you should give up and get a refund fast - test it the next 2-3 weeks/modules.
            Great to hear that at least one other person is making "some" money. It will be interesting to hear your progress, ie. if you continue to make money from this system or if it was a fluke. Consistancy is definatly important in online marketing, and constantly seeing positive results is very important in your campaigns.

            Overall, as you mentioned other PPC methods can produce much better roi figures. One of the issues I see with your results, is that there isn't much room for variance. If you had just one less sale, you would have lost money. Personally even though you had positive results, personally I woudln't feel too comfortable putting up capital for such a small roi and with so much risk.
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  • Profile picture of the author dannynz
    hi all

    glad I found this thread

    i purchased the product a few days ago. followed it, put up two ads had them rejected without any reasons given. Rang Machs support told to contact admob, did so the lady could not help, asked to speak to a more senior manager, no go. thought this is useless, not impressed. no where to go e.g. a forum to hear how others are going.

    placed another two ads, one was rejected, another ok for fat loss. so far the ad seems to have stopped, with only 276 impression, 1 click ... and of course no sales.

    i also thought it would seem a little crazy that people would buy a CB offer over an iphone, but i wanted to test it out. more then that i wanted to go through all the training and make an evaluation cause like many of u here we are pretty smart people and can pick it up pretty quick - so for me going through a heap of videos is fine. then we can quickly get tests happening.

    i am not a mmm club member but I hear it is pretty good stuff, (but my brains tells me, hold on i just got a stack of FREE training/info at the 30 day challenge - over 150 videos, free?), anyway i thought mach seemed a pretty open/honest dude.

    going by what I am reading here and results coming in - folks it doesn't look good.

    i have emailed support on a few things, one was is there a forum, it would be really interesting to hear from mach the man himself on this - why the crap results mate?

    (my brain also ticks over the thought, if I could make $300K so easy why the heck would i go to trouble of making a sales and training system with the hassle of support staff etc and sell the idea on how to do it for $20 odd bucks a month - i would just ramp up my admob budget and go to the beach).

    ... also be really interesting to get Ed dales feed back on this idea of marketing through to cell phones i.e. iphones. also cause he loves his iphone. I love 30dc ... yes i am one of there 3500 odd facebook fans

    d
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  • Profile picture of the author Sglant
    Thanks everyone for all of the feedback regarding the CellPhone Cash system. I had my questions about it, and have had those question answered on this forum. As always, it benefits us all to discuss products on these forums, because it helps us to avoid pitfalls by going blind into any new ventures. Thanks a bunch.
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  • Profile picture of the author Simon74
    Hello

    I have bought the system as well just to try it out, I had the first ad denied and I have placed a second one and waiting to see what happen. For the people that have made money using the system, do you have any kind of proof? are you promoting clickbank products or using CPA?

    Nicholas thank for the tip about the iphone browser simulation.

    I will let you know if my second ad will be approved!

    Simon

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    • Profile picture of the author l23bc
      Originally Posted by Simon74 View Post

      Hello

      I have bought the system as well just to try it out, I had the first ad denied and I have placed a second one and waiting to see what happen. For the people that have made money using the system, do you have any kind of proof? are you promoting clickbank products or using CPA?

      Nicholas thank for the tip about the iphone browser simulation.

      I will let you know if my second ad will be approved!

      Simon
      I wonder if it going to be like this what no one here has mentioned

      Say i never joined up,

      yet a friend joined today he gets to see the second videos the week after, however lets just say i join next week well if i am right i would have to wait 2 weeks to see the videos because i never signed up the same time as my friend who also would of seen them

      so in therory does that mean everyone who signed up now is behind other people in knowing more, because you have to wait 7 days, sorry i am not bashing the product im just thinking ahead,

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      • Profile picture of the author moneydigs2
        One of he highlights of this program is that you get to really understand and implement the strategies you are taught and then you execute. It gives you enough time to really understand what you are doing then you move to the next stage. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
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        • Originally Posted by moneydigs2 View Post

          One of he highlights of this program is that you get to really understand and implement the strategies you are taught and then you execute. It gives you enough time to really understand what you are doing then you move to the next stage. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
          Here is the biggest problem I see with your statement.

          In week one, he spent time going over which products to promote and chose "weight loss". In fact he even illustrated in his "watch over my shoulder videos" how to create an ad and use "weight loss.

          Now in week two, he say's you should really focus on products that appeal to the teen/youth markets. I hear people promoting such products "as weight loss pills. And you really have to sit back and laugh".


          With just that bit of knowledge don't you feel that you would benefit from all of the lessons? Personally I wouldn't spend a DIME until I went through each and every module or heard extremly positive results back from people. If you can make $300,000 a month from this system, people should be at a minimum making at least $1,000. Instead we are hearing that people are lucky to be making $10, and most have lost $100's of dollars.
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            • Originally Posted by moneydigs2 View Post

              The internet is filled with good stuff and bad stuff. You have to know what it is you are definetly looking for and what you want out of it. There will always be the naysayers but move away from that and stay grounded."If you don't know where you are going, the chances are you won't get there."
              Originally Posted by moneydigs2 View Post

              You have to be involved to know what is going on then you can talk but by listening to others that tells me enough. It is just speculation on your part.
              Well I have been involved in internet marketing for over three years, and it's my full time job now. So I can assure you that I definately have a handle on what works, and what doesn't. Ask any marketer out their, that is even reasonably sucessful and they will tell you the same things when it comes to managing sucessful campaigns. If you have a campaign that is not converting or performing well, either you make a change to your campaign or stop it all together and move on. I have personally tried this method and lost $50 so far. And due to all of the people here who have yet to get the method to work, and my personal belief that their are problems with the ad network (I don't trust for a minute that 100,000+ legitimate impressions are being made and 1,000 clicks are occuring in 1-5 hours) I don't feel like risking any more capital.

              Personally I don't think I want anything out of reason with this system or that is unreasonable. The only thing I would espect was for the system to work even moderatly well But their is no clear indication that it works, and the adnetwork even say's your going to have problems. Not to mention that THE SUPPORT LINE he touts doesn't pick up, when you call during their normal working hours. And many people have reported they don't return email's or phone calls. So I guess this is what you call BAD STUFF.

              PS: Care to answer my original question?
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              • Profile picture of the author YesIamSam
                Ok, I just sold my first Clickbank product with this model. I'm still at a loss, definitely, but I just got access to the second set of videos, and after that I'm going to decide if I want to cancel or not.

                And before scrolling down to reply and ask how I did this, here is how:

                1. I won't reveal the niche, but it's targeted towards teens and popular things that they do on the net.

                2. This is a clickbank product, so it's not CPA (I had some zip submits convert, still at a loss, though).

                3. My big secret:

                a) I created a squeeze page that was fully optimized for the iPhone (if you don't know how, then just outsource it. Someone can do it for $30 if you have a regular template to just convert).

                b) I had people sign up to get a free report on this niche. This was linked to an autoresponder to make it a legit double-opt in list.

                c) I blasted out an email with the link to the clickbank product (well, and some selling words).

                d) Out of a list of close to 100 (that I got from this campaign), only 1 has converted so far, and it's not a high paying product.

                Conclusion: Screw the clickbank (I just wanted to prove that it can be done). I'm going to do another run, but for another niche, same target audience, but for a better paying and higher converting CPA offer. Will let you know.
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    • Profile picture of the author C A Perez
      Ok guys and gals,

      Here's my story.

      I'm a newbie. Started in May. Went on brain overload with all of the info on IM. I looked for something to give me some direction, some clarity to all the information. I found it at Maverick Money Makers. I was and have been impressed with the sincerity and quality of the tutorials.

      I got the email on Cell Phone Cash. Site unseen (other than the sales page) I signed up as an affiliate, wrote an article at EZA, posted it one my websites. My bum marketing budget couldn't afford another $25/mo.

      Labor Day weekend, I made my first sale EVER! Where did it come from? Yes, Cell Phone Cash - $20. Yea!! I'm on the road to being an Internet Marketer. I'm elated.

      I decide to do more research on this new method, maybe even buy the program so that I can speak from experience. Just for grins, I come to the most trusted forum on the Internet.

      I'm devasted. I've read all 150+ posts. I have 6 articles pending at EZA; I'm pulling them. I can not with clear consience promote such blatant misrepresentation.

      I will hold off my judgement of the creator's intent until I hear directly from him.
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      • Profile picture of the author jempub
        Module 3 was released today and it's full of
        more general marketing fluff!

        Nothing so far has been taught or shown on
        EXACTLY how this guy is making money by
        placing ads on cellphones.

        Another point... He says "oh if you want to
        promote cell phone cash to other cell phone
        users you can"...

        What??? In the very first module, he says
        "do not promote any products with video
        on the sales page"...

        His sales page is full of videos!

        Talk soon,
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        • Originally Posted by jempub View Post

          Module 3 was released today and it's full of
          more general marketing fluff!

          Nothing so far has been taught or shown on
          EXACTLY how this guy is making money by
          placing ads on cellphones.

          Another point... He says "oh if you want to
          promote cell phone cash to other cell phone
          users you can"...

          What??? In the very first module, he says
          "do not promote any products with video
          on the sales page"...

          His sales page is full of videos!

          Talk soon,
          Gary

          I took a quick glance over the videos for week three, and what stands out to me over the entire course is the methodology and presentation of the course. Over the last three weeks, the entire methodology reminds me of "using adwords to profit online", he's talking about focusing on keywords, finding words that sell, finding popular products. Now each of these areas is important when actually running adwords campaigns, however in our case WE ARE NOT bidding on keywords, nor necessarily care what's popular in the headlines.

          Not to mention as you pointed out Gary and I pointed out in week two, he's constantly giving conflicting advice and opinions. Ie. "should we promote Maverick Money Markers & Cell Phone cash or not" or "is weight loss pills a good vertical or not?".

          I'll put this out there, I guarantee that anyone who runs a ad "make $1000 a day working from home", which he illustrates in the week three videos will absolutly without a doubt loose money. Your $50-100 used to fund your account will be gone quicker than you can blink you eye with NO conversions or if your lucky 1.
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      • Profile picture of the author kbs
        I think what you just learned was that article marketing is a good place to start out. You've already made 1 sale from it so just "rinse and repeat" w/a different product.
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  • Profile picture of the author folkcare
    I won't be buying anymore of these products unless I check back with Warrior ! Thanks for these comments they've been helpful, but a bit late for me unfortunately. I hope they'll reverse back my (mostly) uncommitted funds.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaveN
    I agree with stefanjames, to give Mack Michaels a hand, his training is very well done, he does take the time to do things properly,so follow the videos like stefanjames did
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    • Originally Posted by DaveN View Post

      I agree with stefanjames, to give Mack Michaels a hand, his training is very well done, he does take the time to do things properly,so follow the videos like stefanjames did
      Everyone here who has replied is doing exactly what is recommended by Mack Michaels in his videos and in some cases the SAME exact campaign. The problem is that the method just doesn't work nor has anyone commented that they have been given any advice on how to make it work after submitting a question in the support forum.

      Thus far only two people have actually had positive results, out of at least 10 people that have lost combined $1000's of advertising. And personally speaking no one was over the top on the roi or earnings potential. To risk $50 of capital to make $12, when you have a very good chance of actually losing $33 or making a profit of $12 isn't good odds.

      The bottom line is the videos can look like a block buster film, but if they don't work it doesn't matter. If that doesn't make sense, let me leave you with this illustration. There are people that make videos of UFO's that look 100 percent real, however with a couple special effects a fishing line and some cardboard it's entirely fictional.
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      • Profile picture of the author YesIamSam
        Wow, I'm gone for a few days and this thread explodes!

        Ok, once again, I'll get the new vids tomorrow, and if they don't deliver, I'll cancel.

        BUT, let me reveal one method I have tried here.

        1. I set up a squeeze page that was optimized for the iPhone for my niche.
        2. For that $50 I got 89 signups (to an email list).
        3. I'll be damned if I can't sell them something and earn back that $50

        I'll let you know.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cynthia A.
        I've been reading the posts here with interest & it sounds like this program is based on THEORY. Reading the results (or lack thereof) so far seems like you all are being used as guinea pigs for this program. Expecting you to know how to put all the pieces together when you're only given part of them. Obviously there's not enough detailed info in the first module to experience success. And to have to wait for the remaining NEEDED content for 7 days before you can hopefully stop hemorrhaging money... Ridiculous!

        Originally Posted by OnlineMarketingSys View Post

        Everyone here who has replied is doing exactly what is recommended by Mack Michaels in his videos and in some cases the SAME exact campaign. The problem is that the method just doesn't work nor has anyone commented that they have been given any advice on how to make it work after submitting a question in the support forum.

        Thus far only two people have actually had positive results, out of at least 10 people that have lost combined $1000's of advertising. And personally speaking no one was over the top on the roi or earnings potential. To risk $50 of capital to make $12, when you have a very good chance of actually losing $33 or making a profit of $12 isn't good odds.

        The bottom line is the videos can look like a block buster film, but if they don't work it doesn't matter. If that doesn't make sense, let me leave you with this illustration. There are people that make videos of UFO's that look 100 percent real, however with a couple special effects a fishing line and some cardboard it's entirely fictional.
        (Not a single person here has said they've broke even - although most say they've lost money.) It doesn't surprise me though. This is the M.O. of the creator based on his previous products.
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        • Originally Posted by Cynthia A. View Post

          (Not a single person here has said they've broke even - although most say they've lost money.) It doesn't surprise me though. This is the M.O. of the creator based on his previous products.
          I am not sure why I am still commenting on this method, but it's frustrating for me to see so many people loosing money. And even worse, I think that some of these people, are spending the $50 or $100 they have saved up to buy their kid a birthday present. Thinking that they can somehow make $4grand or more. So i'll continue...

          To answer your comment, it isn't true that no one has broken even, Wizzie and stephanjames have both claimed to make a little money. But the issue is the return on investment is so SMALL, and their is so little room for error that it is incredibly risky (especially given the number of people that have LOST 100's and combined into $1000's of dollars on this method). For example let's look at Wizzie's case, where he had two sales and made a profit of $12, after spending $50 on advertising. Now if he were to get just one less sale, he would go from making money, to actually LOSING money. Pretty risky considering that it took nearly $50 invested to make just $12. And considering he's only actually done this once, it's not to say that if he tries it again he won't lose money.

          Scenario: Let's say for example you want to make $100 a day, which can very easily be done using other systems, and should 'easily be done using this one'. Because didn't Mack say "I came back to the dinner table, and the number of sales blew my mind." So let's say we set out to make just $100 a day, a small fraction of "the possibilities of the system". Using wizzie's best case scenario (and hoping that it's repeatable every single time - which is really impossible). It would take us nearly $500 in advertising every day to make just $100. So here are the numbers and capital requirements.

          Daily advertising budget =$500
          Income earned =$112
          Weekly net income (assuming 7 days) =$787
          Total weekly advertising cost= $3500

          Now this is the absolute BEST case scenario that we know of to date. And if you expect to reproduce the above results, you REALLY should go out and spend $100 on lottery tickets for the week because you have a lucky horseshoe on your foot! So who hear has $3500 or $7000 to invest in their campaigns so they can make $1000?? Keeping in mind your going to have to wait around 3-4 weeks on a paycheck from Clickb#nk..

          I know for a fact when I was just getting started in affiliate marketing 3 years ago, I wouldn't have this kind of capital. And talking to most of the people that have purchased systems that I use, even a budget of $200 to $300 a week is tough for many. I've even had people that no joke literally had a $50 adw0rds credit to work with, and that is all. So I know that even with the best case scenario, this system in not preped for launch.
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          • Profile picture of the author WealthWinners
            Originally Posted by OnlineMarketingSys View Post

            I am not sure why I am still commenting on this method, but it's frustrating for me to see so many people loosing money. And even worse, I think that some of these people, are spending the $50 or $100 they have saved up to buy their kid a birthday present. Thinking that they can somehow make $4grand or more. So i'll continue...
            OnlineMarketingSys - I know how you are feeling. I too have been watching still and seeing people jump into this program, after all that has been written.

            Makes me wonder too, how many people does it take to lose money before people will NOT buy anyway. Of course, as an IM, there is part of me that says to myself that perhaps I can "find a way" to make this work, where all previous people may not have tried. So that could be why others still purchase even after they read all of this.

            But honestly it boggles me. I mean, when I came here to find out about the program, it had just started and there wasn't anything on this thread yet, so I joined and put the product to the test. Wanted to be sure it was worth promoting. It's a personal integrity thing. I don't want to promote something I have not actually purchased and tried myself.

            Anyway, my point is that if I had seen this thread BEFORE I had made the purchase, I would not have bothered with this program.

            I will tell you that watching this has taught me something very valuable.

            Even if you have a crappy product, if you have a great sales page, even if it is misleading, people will still buy, even if they are SHOWN PROOF that the program itself is garbage.

            Makes me wonder what that says about us.
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            • Profile picture of the author Cynthia A.
              Originally Posted by WealthWinners View Post

              OnlineMarketingSys - I know how you are feeling. I too have been watching still and seeing people jump into this program, after all that has been written.

              Makes me wonder too, how many people does it take to lose money before people will NOT buy anyway. Of course, as an IM, there is part of me that says to myself that perhaps I can "find a way" to make this work, where all previous people may not have tried. So that could be why others still purchase even after they read all of this.

              But honestly it boggles me. I mean, when I came here to find out about the program, it had just started and there wasn't anything on this thread yet, so I joined and put the product to the test. Wanted to be sure it was worth promoting. It's a personal integrity thing. I don't want to promote something I have not actually purchased and tried myself.

              Anyway, my point is that if I had seen this thread BEFORE I had made the purchase, I would not have bothered with this program.

              I will tell you that watching this has taught me something very valuable.

              Even if you have a crappy product, if you have a great sales page, even if it is misleading, people will still buy, even if they are SHOWN PROOF that the program itself is garbage.

              Makes me wonder what that says about us.
              Sharon,

              I couldn't have said it better myself. You can show some people absolute PROOF & they'll find a way to say it's a lie, or blame YOU & say you did something wrong...they want to believe so badly. It's not just the great sales page. Many so-called "Guru's" are pushing this into our email boxes (someone here said he's gotten 30-40, & I've gotten a few so far). So if a successful, rich "Guru" says it's the next BIG thing, it MUST be! Right? :rolleyes:

              Stephan, was your "scenario" in his instruction (you admitted that you didn't take his route)? Finding a "better" way to do this program isn't feasible for most people (they don't have the skillset). Besides, he has specific instructions, No? Aren't you supposed to follow his direction instead of trying to change or tweak something unworkable? And if you're following directions & they don't work...well...

              Sharon, at least you have the integrity to try something out before you hit your list with it. Something most of these promoters aren't doing. It makes you realize that some people will do anything for a buck!

              Cynthia
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  • Profile picture of the author tjk1058
    I want to know how many of the guru's or well known marketers that were pushing this system actually have tried it and what their experiences were.

    I know I must have had 30-40 email messages touting this program when it launched with still more coming in still.

    Have they put up their own money to try this yet and what have they found? I'm sure some of these marketers are actual warriors here... so please chime in with your responses!

    Has anyone contacted the originator of the program? I am going to submit a support ticket just to see if I get a response from them on the figures we are reporting here.

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    • Profile picture of the author Cynthia A.
      Originally Posted by OnlineMarketingSys View Post

      To answer your comment, it isn't true that no one has broken even, Wizzie and stephanjames have both claimed to make a little money. But the issue is the return on investment is so SMALL, and their is so little room for error that it is incredibly risky (especially given the number of people that have LOST 100's and combined into $1000's of dollars on this method).
      Maybe just a coincidence but I notice that Stephan has the Cell Phone cash affiliate link in his sig file (the landing page is different but when you try to leave you see the "real" page). Some people claim they're making money with a program when it's really from being an affiliate...making you believe they're using the program. Not saying he's doing it.

      Originally Posted by tjk1058 View Post

      I want to know how many of the guru's or well known marketers that were pushing this system actually have tried it and what their experiences were.

      I know I must have had 30-40 email messages touting this program when it launched with still more coming in still.

      Have they put up their own money to try this yet and what have they found? I'm sure some of these marketers are actual warriors here... so please chime in with your responses!
      There are over 800 affiliates pushing this & it just came out. I think you know the answer to that. :rolleyes:

      Has anyone contacted the originator of the program? I am going to submit a support ticket just to see if I get a response from them on the figures we are reporting here.

      TedK
      And contacting the originator...good luck to you!
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      • Profile picture of the author dannynz
        lets see if someone from Mach's company or mach himself comes in here and gives some feed back. I mentioned this important thread in a support ticket the other day.

        I have put my ads on hold until we see better results from others here and until I have implemented what I mention below later tonight. I was able to test the CB landing page on an iphone yesterday night - there is no way anyone would buy, maybe if the pages were mobile web pages.

        The key (which I assume Mach will be teaching soon), is to create mobile website landing pages, simple info, simple form to fill in and then sell to them once on your list and via triggered autoresponders. That is what makes sense in my brain.

        ... having someone scroll on an iphone, read, click a button, go to a sign-up form, pull out their credit card and click submit ... ??

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        • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
          Maybe this plan should use Arbitrage Conspiracy strategies.

          Training and claims looks similar.
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanCoisson
    I am not too familiar with his new product but it does look pretty good. I will tell that the first product Mack Michaels created was a massive hit and an awesome affiliate product to promote.

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    • Profile picture of the author stefanjames
      I have seen a few post here saying I'm just promoting CPC to make money. Sure I'm making money as an affiliate of this product but I'm also making quite of bit of money using the techniques.

      Sure Clickbank products can work but if the sales page is crappy no one is going to buy. I on the other hand didn't go this route. I decided to try the CPA networks with the CPC and it is working great and made me a few hundred dollars from my test.

      Here is my scenario:
      1. If you send a person directly to a landing page on their iPhone 9 times out of 10 I don't think they will buy directly from the iPhone. BUT if you create a YouTube video or an Audio to promote on the iPhone as Mack was teaching this will be a lot more effective because you can still direct people to their computers to check out what you have to offer.

      2. What I did was used the text link promoting a FREE cpa offer which all the person had to do was submit an email or a zip code. A lot easier to get paid when the person doesn't have to buy anything from the iPhone.

      You can make a lot of money with cell phone marketing so if you are a member of the coaching course stick with it because in Week 2 or 3 of the training Mack talks about how to make money with CPA.

      I hope this clears up somethings about the coaching.
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    • Profile picture of the author bobmcalister
      you guys are right on . the sales letter says he is making a ton ...not by using the program but by selling it to others.

      great heads up ..hope this saved some folks their moolah


      btw ...this can be used successfully
      the site has to be optimized for mobile,,, if you are sending a link to the site...which is what usually happens.
      the cpa deals may work , but USING IT FOR MOBILE MARKETING is more effective. take that for what it is worth ..free advice.
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    • Week two recap: I honestly don't know where to start with this product. But this whole system revolves around "hey there is a better way to do things" but you need to wait till next week to find out. I'm sorry but I don't agree with that type of underhanded marketing and personally feel that you ultimately are going to turn a lot of people off.

      So in week two there is seven more videos, that are aproximatly 40-60 minutes in length all together. Most of the content is repeated examples from previous weeks, and 98% what you would call "filler material". But here is a couple takeaway's that I feel should be mentioned.

      If you will recall in week one, he spent time going over which products to promote and chose "weight loss". In fact he even illustrated in his "watch over my shoulder videos" how to create an ad and use "weight loss.

      Now in week two, he say's you should really focus on products that appeal to the teen/youth markets. I hear people promoting such products "as weight loss pills. And you really have to sit back and laugh". I actually had to rewind the presentation and listen to it again, because I couldn't believe his words. But indeed he really did say that the examples and illustrations he gave before litterally 'make marketers laugh at the stupidity of those who are promoting it'. I would love to hear everyone elses opinion on this?

      Ok, so now most people have been promoting using this system going on two weeks and have been instructed by the seller in his own words how to create campaigns that you will throw money down the drain and make most marketers "sit back and laugh at you".

      The only takeaway from this week that was moderatly valueable, was that you can use zip submits to promote. And he gave an example of CPA offers that use zip submits. Other than that, he's still using Clickb&nk as an example to find offers and basically replayed the same video as from week 1.

      At this point I have COMPLETLY made up my mind. This gentalmen needs to be featured on "Chris Hands0n's :How to catch a ". I am sure that if he's up against Chris's transcribed notes of his presentations that the truth will come out. Or the proverbial "I don't want to comment, I need to consult my lawyer, ect" will come out.
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  • Profile picture of the author kbs
    Just got an e-mail in the inbox stating that I can make $327,000/mnth using this progam. I'll just wait for 1 month and see if anyone is making hundreds of thousands of dollars/month.
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  • Profile picture of the author npolston
    Hello, i just started the cell phone cash yesterday....will see what happens from here.
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  • Profile picture of the author SRLee
    Wow this thread is growing rapidly!

    And that means Warriors are totally helping out people (like me), to make reasonable decisions.

    <3 Warrior Forum

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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Voce
    I 'm very grateful that I found this thread, although I already bought the product. Fortunately my ad was still in approval status so after reading all the the thread I paused it. I think I will wait just another week, checking the modules and then asking for a refund.
    I don't know if it's also possible with the $50 that I did not spend on advertising
    Anyone has an idea?

    Thanks OnlineMarketingSys: you are really an "eyeopener"
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    • Profile picture of the author dannynz
      YesIamSam has the right approach - one of them.

      I am hoping to get mine set up tonight and test it to let you know.

      you have to be creative, do some research of your own etc to make this work ... I believe it will work now after spending hours of my own research on this. there are some innovative and very good solutions to taking direct payments from the cell.

      saying that - it would be great to get a reply from the support staff, my tickets are almost a week old. And some feed back on why Machs teaches in the first module to basically take any CB product and it works without talking much about compatible websites/mobile websites and or landing pages.

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      • Profile picture of the author Sipboy3000
        I also bought this product because I have a really good friend who does mobile marketing full time and he has taught me a lot about mobile marketing.

        I took the first module and went through it entirely and right away I had a "light bulb" moment.

        The first thing I knew even before I bought the product is that nobody's going to purchase a CB product on a cellphone (especially iPhone users). I own an iPhone and I knew I wouldn't.

        What I decided to do is do some deep research about the typical iPhone user and find out what are the problems and solutions for the average user.

        I picked up the phone and called my good friend and told him that I was going to purchase this course to see if I could dig out some gold and report back to him.

        So as far as a product review, I would not recommend you buying this product unless you have a budget and a long term strategy.

        In my opinion (and based on the opinion of a mobile marketing expert), I think building a mobile marketing list and monetizing that is the best way to use this information.

        If you are looking to make bank as an affiliate promoting CB products, I say don't buy this.

        If you are an affiliate looking to promote CPA offers with email and zip submits, I think you should at least test it out.

        I bought the product not with the intention to make a killing based on his system, but rather to find some nuggets that I may not have otherwise thought about.

        I really think this is an excellent product, despite what others may say because I did not buy it with the intention to make money using his approach. Like I said earlier, I knew it would be difficult to sell CB products or any product to somebody on a cellphone.

        You gotta get them off the cellphone to sell them something!

        One last tip, if you are into the local or offline biz market, you can make a killing with this idea if you know how to work it.

        I promised my friend I would not give away his idea, but he has already started testing this for a local client in the Music Business, and he said their mobile marketing campaign has skyrocketed!

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  • I am still waiting for another campaign to go live, which I will update everyone on the results after that if I don't get moderatly decent results that's all I am personally going to invest into this system.

    PS: Apparently Admob is at least making a lot of money off of this lauch, judging by the support announcement>

    If you have submitted an ad in the last 4-5 days, and it is still pending moderation, please know that we are working as quickly as possible through a large backlog.

    At the very least if this system doesn't work out, I see admob is hiring. I'm sure that you can reach a deal with Mack. And basically blow everyone in the company out of the water
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  • Profile picture of the author npolston
    So far i have lost $200 dollars using the cell phone cash. thats not a lot but im a college student and i cant afford to keep losing money. Does anyone who has been successful with it have any tips for me? Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    There is one thing I have to give ole Mack credit for...

    He sure knows how to package up the CB best sellers.
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      Has anyone tried a service other than admob?
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  • Profile picture of the author rondo
    Ok I haven't bought this product, and I haven't even read the entire salespage, only this thread. But here is my opinion anyway:

    Stop trying to sell products to these people and get them signed up to your list instead. Once you have a targeted list then sell to them.


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  • Profile picture of the author got wealth?
    I just want to thank everyone for their posts re; cell phone cash. I got the email saw the site watched the video, etc. Luckily i googled it before buying & found this page! I had heard of the warrior forum before, read some posts, etc. But finally decided to join after seeing this page. I guess, being a newbie, I'm still easily swayed by the hype & screenshots of big money accounts, etc. But when someone wrote 'would you buy something on your phone while waiting in line, etc' (thank you tonio 79), I remembered that when I first got my iphone a few months ago, I got a few text messages (don't remember what they were for or who they were from). I was so annoyed (SPAM on my new phone!!??) that I deleted them immediately. So, I realized that I can't, in good conscience, do this to other people-- if that's what cell phone cash is suggesting.
    So thanks for all the advice & good luck to those of you who do decide to do it.
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    • Profile picture of the author jempub
      To add insult to injury...

      I've sent TWO requests for help on my campaigns
      to the so called "24/7 support" and after 8 days
      I still have not received ANY reply.

      It's hard to believe that this guy is able to keep
      this up without some type of backlash.

      It was hit on in a previous post and it IS true...

      Mack Michaels is in business with ROI Rocket,
      Admob, etc...

      Stay FAR AWAY from this product!

      Talk soon,
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      • Profile picture of the author YesIamSam
        Why are people still trying to direct the traffic to a CB landing page, when ALL posts in this forums shows failure with this method???

        Like Rondo said, and like I've stated in my posts, create a LIST first...THEN sell them stuff.

        I've sold a couple of clickbank products to my list that I built with this now.

        Think, don't just act. How often do you surf to a sales page on your phone and take out your credit card? Never.

        I surf on the phone when I'm waiting for something or bored, meaning people are at work, on the train, in school, in a car etc... capture their email, that's all you're gonna get. Then email them a targeted offer.
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        • Profile picture of the author Aero7
          Hi everybody. It seems there are two sub-threads here, if you will: 1) those who have seen enough evidence to reasonably suggest that the Cell Phone Cash system doesn't work and 2) those who are swept off their feet by the sales page and are here looking for the keys to all that cash! Well, my two cents falls in the first category, but I hope that those from the second category read this post and think about it for a moment...
          Yes, for those of you who have speculated on it, Mack Michaels is definitely monetizing everywhere possible with this course. Besides the multiple monthly payments to get all the modules, each module so far has an affiliate link that adds to his profits (from you, not cell phones!): he gets an affiliate commission for everyone who follows his link to Admob and signs up (most people who bought the course), and he gets 5% of all the earnings you bring in to ROIRocket when you sign up through his link. Each of the oher modules will most likely have affiliate links as well. This is a technique that he has employed for some time (he basically covers this in one of his MMM Quick Money videos).

          I hope you are still reading, because here is the important part (as far as what has been discussed up to this point on this thread). I did some digging and came across another marketer who was trying to implement Admob for affiliate and CPA marketing early this year, and posted a blog entry in February about his experiments with Admob and various offers. He was seeing the same results as everyone here (many impressions, decent CTR, but NO sales at all), and he decided to really dig around to find what the problem was. After a few tries, he was able to locate an offer that he could promote using Admob, where he was in contact with someone at the offer site. What did they discover? (drumroll please...) The marketer had Admob stats showing exactly how many people clicked through to the offer, but "there seems to be some disconnect between Admob and the destination mobile website in tracking the user. Is it an http referrer issue? A cookie tracking issue? Hopefully we'll get some answers from Admob soon, but for now we just know it doesn't work."

          In other words... all of you Cell Phone Cash system testers who have gotten zero results, may have actually gotten sales from your Admob campaigns--but they aren't tracking the sales! Wow! This seriously sucks, huh? You'd think that a self-respecting marketer would test his system before not just sharing it, but SELLING it to trusting marketers!!

          I know... this post is way too long. But I thought everyone would want this info. I'll be glad to direct anyone who is interested to the blog post referenced here. Too bad Mack Michaels didn't read this back in February when it was first posted!

          P.S.
          Good luck to everyone in their online ventures!
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          • Profile picture of the author jempub
            The following quote make no sense...

            "In other words... all of you Cell Phone Cash system testers who have gotten zero results, may have actually gotten sales from your Admob campaigns--but they aren't tracking the sales!"

            With Clickbank you would see any and all sales come through by simply
            checking your CB stats.

            Talk soon,
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            • Profile picture of the author Aero7
              Of course, we all want to believe that the CB tracking system will always correctly identify all sales. But honestly, anyone who has been in affiliate marketing for awhile knows that errors do happen and sales are "lost." Don't get me wrong--I know that Clickbank is a well-oiled machine and they have made many improvements since their inception. But this error appears to be in the Admob architecture anyway (not CB).

              The marketer referred to in my previous post found that the Admob tracking process was essentially completely broken. He had stats for his ad's CTR from Admob, suggesting that literally hundreds of people had clicked his ad but not a single sale resulted. But when he contacted someone at the actual offer site, who had access to the offer's referral stats, they apparently reported that no traffic was recorded as being referred through the advertisers link. In other words, he checked the Admob stats against the offers site's stats (to make sure thay agreed) and found that they didn't. If a full 50% of your click-through traffic make a sale (a very unlikely number, I know, but it's only an example), but none of those sales are tracked, then you get a grand total of... zero commission.

              jempub- That's where that supposedly nonsensical statement comes from. For an affiliate, a sale only counts as a sale if it is actually credited to your account. If the tracking process breaks down (regardless of which site is to blame), then you may in fact send traffic that drives sales yet receive no credit. Sounds too horrible to be true? I think it would be interesting to find out how many Warriors have tracking cookie failure stories that have robbed them of commissions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Austin E Anthony
    I have read through this thread and most people seems to be losing money.I have not tried the system but i see some potentials here using CPA offers.BE CAREFUL USING CLICKBANK OFFERS WITH THIS! it might not convert well.Use free email and zip submit cpa offers and you will see some good result.I don`t think people will enter their credit card number while browsing their iphone after a long day at work.But if you use free cpa offers where the person only has to put their email or zip code and you get paid,this will work well.This is just my 2 cent.Like i said i have not used the system but i plan using it with cpa offers next week.I will report back and let everyone know if it goes well or not.You can pm me for questions and cpa offers ideas.
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  • Profile picture of the author l23bc
    even with CPa offers it dont work because you need sites that are fully optimized to the ifone or mobile fones on the network i tried 5 CPA offers from neverblue and copec and they was not acceptabe to the network,

    also people cannot access the zip in the mobile fones, or any infomation the only way people have seen this to work is by getting people to opt in like a opt in page but most opt in pages cannot be optimised on a mobile phone,

    my 2 cents worth again
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    • Profile picture of the author niac7
      OK...I'm home now.

      Here we go. (This may be a little lenghty, but definitely worth it.)

      I put a lot of thought into how to relay this. Also, I came up with what I think is an even more potent way to exploit this market, but I would like to test first before posting. (It exploits the "impressions" instead of the clicks for a much better response. Dannynz, I may need your assistance on the other idea.)

      Anyway,

      Based on the testing that I have seen so far, there is a HUGE money-making opportunity being totally missed. I admit that I missed it for a long time until I swiped a program called Free Google AdWords. I'm not selling that program, but the concept is sound and I am doing something similar offline.

      Anyway, I see where the same concept can be applied to information already provided on cell phone marketing.

      There's an old story about the goldrush and how the only people that struck it really rich were the people selling picks and shovels to all the hungry gold seekers.

      Well, it appears that IM and now this new cell phone market are the California gold mines of old.

      And, everyone here is a "hungry gold seeker", but only a few find gold and even fewer find enough to get rich.

      On the other end, the ones selling the tools to the gold seekers are more likely to strike it rich.

      So, let's become the tool sellers....

      Now, what is the MOST important tool necessary for any business of any kind, online or offline.

      EXPOSURE...

      Without exposure, no one will know about your product or service, no matter how good it is, no matter how great your sales letter is, it doesn't matter. If no one sees it, then the rest is useless.

      So sell Exposure. You pay for it to Google, you pay for it to AdMob and many other places. Now, you should get paid for it.

      How, may be your next question...

      Well, the ones that have done tests and posted their results seem to report quite a few clicks generated from their AdMob runs. This is the start, but it is only the start.

      What needs to be done next is a splash page definitely needs to be made. If you are doing it for iPhone, of course you will need to optimize it.

      Now, the most important part. You sell of ad space to related businesses on your splash page!!! There are companies that automate this for traditional sites, but I am not sure if it can be automated for mobile sites yet. Check companies like AdBrite to be sure.

      Anyway, now that you have sold off Space on your Splash Page, your costs are covered and possibly a little profit depending on how many slots you decide to sell and at what price.

      So, let's see it in action based on the numbers previously provided by others. It appears that $50 can get you 1000 clicks at $0.05 per click, so...

      $50 = 1000 clicks

      Let's do 7 days for an example...

      $350 = 7000 clicks per week

      You sell 8 slots (you could sell more or less)

      $350/8 = $43.75 (Amount you must sell slots for to break even)

      But we want a little profit so we price it at $47

      $47 x 8 slots = $376

      $376 - $350 = $26 profit

      So now, realize a $26 profit before we even start running the ad and regardless of whether anyone buys our main product or not.

      To find people wanting to buy ad space, check out sites like adbrite and there are a few others. They have tons of people buying and selling traditional website traffic, and I'm sure many of them will jump at this new niche market.

      Someone, please test this out. It is totally free and I hope you are well rewarded for your efforts.

      Thanks and let me know your results.

      I will be doing my own testing of an improved method (I think) and will let you know the results. We can be the first in on this market if we do it right.
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    • Profile picture of the author wizzie
      Hi again guys,

      You know i made a test campaign in week 1 and earned about $13.
      And now i just lost $50 on the second campaign.

      Yes it was iPhone related and optimized campaigns.

      Its very hard to believe the product creator earned what the salesletter show us with this system.

      The videos are damn boring and very basic IM stuff - i've learned absolutely nothing from this materials first 3 weeks.
      > No samples whatsoever
      > No plan to follow
      > No step-by-step
      > No live samples to prove the power of admob

      And its really a waste of my time to continue this.
      I also feel sorry for the affiliate sales i made on my list.

      Wow talk about Ninja tactics... NOT
      hehe ya the speaker really say that in week 2

      Let me honest tell you what i think about this product "LOL"

      Best of luck to you
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  • Profile picture of the author strawdog
    Note to moderators - Apologies for such a long first post! Please contact me if I have breached forum rules in any way & I will edit where required.
    Thanks. Strawdog



    Hi all!
    This is my first post & I apologise in advance for the length of it! But I had to have my say on this one.
    I haven't bought it yet & I have no intention of buying it yet because of the posts I've read here. And I've read every one.

    This product has got everyone buzzing and I think we all should take a step back & take stock of everything here before we lose a lot of money with this.


    Product Cost and guarantee
    The product DOES NOT cost $25.It costs a bit less than most IM products - about 75 bucks.
    $25 GETS A THIRD OF IT (If I understand the pricing structure right)
    So with all due respect, you cannot come to any conclusion until you have the full product, agreed?
    That said, it isn't a good way (ethically or otherwise) to launch a product. And I can see this pricing method being repeated time & time again in the future by other gurus - because it works. It annoys the hell out of people, but they're still buying it. Psychologically some people must and will buy every module - space doesn't allow me to explain why this is so - but experienced marketers among you will know anyway.
    So depending on when (if) you ask for a refund will determine how much YOU have paid for it - someone's already pointed out you will only get back your original stake (sorry purchase price!).
    So unless you cancel in month one, then you're paying $25/month thereafter until you do cancel.
    This is why the method is making Uncle Mack an absolute killing.
    In fact he CANNOT LOSE because the majority of cancellations won't come in until people have an INFORMED opinion on it, which I reckon will be after about $50 worth and YOU will then get $25 back, an excellent ROI for our Mack. And I bet he's leaving everyone a cliff hanger at the end of every module? Just to get your juices flowing for the next instalment so you keep paying, right?

    My advice if your on the fence with this is wait until some people have used the full product and got some stats to back it up.
    If you're already in the programme - don't spend any more until you've got the full picture.


    Potential Profits
    I do hope someone will put me right on this, as I have no experience of CB.
    I've checked his screen shots for his account and I note the Net figures. But do the figures also give an indication to his costs to achieve that net figure? Or is it just how the account works with retained operating balances and the like?

    What I think should also be borne in mind is that he will have a shed full of outsourcers working for him (paid about a bag of salt a month) to achieve his figures.
    A luxury most of us will not be able to afford.
    Not that it makes the figures seem unachievable because of that, but it would be a lot more labour intensive for the rest of us to get remotely near them - and I mean within a decimal point or two of them.


    The concept
    The idea of making money with cell phones is great - and it is the future, I have no doubt about that.
    But whether this is the right vehicle to produce the returns, I'm not so sure.
    His timing is impeccable because people have already started producing books on it - seems like there's another couple out every day now (check out Amazon). The fact that he's the first to bring out a product within the IM niche means he's got a fantastic First Mover advantage with it and consequently he can't count his money fast enough.

    However, having the first product out is not the same as having the first good product out - different beasties altogether.

    My first issue is with the phone type - why target just iPhones? (as that is what he seems to be doing)
    Admittedly, you need web access but the majority of phones don't have this capability.

    If you look at the market size (from his sales page) iPhones only accounts for 11% of the market. Admittedly a MASSIVE market but still, what about the other 89%?

    Q. Would you use email for marketing if it was only going to reach 11% of all web users...EVER?
    No I thought not and I wouldn't either.

    He's targeting iPhones because he's treating mobile marketing just like marketing on the web - which it certainly isn't.
    He's using the same products, the same adverts, marketed in the same way as you'd do on the web - the only difference being they're optimised for the iPhone!
    You can only reach ALL of the market with something common to all phone types, something that ALL PHONES can do which is... send & receive text. You then get them to visit web site or call a number.
    I was hoping this was a product which would teach me that because this is a growing market.

    I really can't see this mobile marketing working using on-line generated lists either.
    It makes more sense starting from scratch with a purpose built mobile list and the IM niche should be avoided at all costs for this medium.
    If you think about it, the IM lists have to be approached with an excellent sales pitch because they're (we!) are a market savvy bunch. We've seen & heard it all before and we're more sceptical so it's a harder sell for marketers, agreed?
    Think about teenage girls for a minute - common interests (I know, I have a daughter!) are fashion, make-up, music, boys and TEXTING the only debate is the order!
    How many CB products are suitable?
    If you had a suitable product how good would the sales letter have to be?
    Not very, agreed? The challenge then, is how to reach your market, could you reach them via on-line methods or do you start from scratch building a mobile list. And don't forget we want to market them using mobile.

    This is working now & we should all try & get on it.
    How many of you watched the Superbowl? How many adverts did you notice that asked you to TEXT in for something?
    Air time during a Superbowl is the most expensive on earth - reckon these companies were getting a ROI?
    Yeah, I do as well.

    Targeting
    It is essential that you target your market - everyone knows that. If you can't target effectively then forget it.
    The fact that a future module teaches exactly that (whether it's an effective method using mobile remains to be seen) had me even more confused - as well as a bit annoyed.
    Because he will teach you that in the future, why on earth was he encouraging everybody to get started within 48 hours?
    If you're not targeting you won't make money - period.
    So it begs the question why encourage you to get started now (Fast Start Training offered)
    Well...wouldn't have been so affiliates could start selling/earning from an obviously incomplete product straight out of the blocks? It couldn't be that because you would know that your customers would lose money until they got the full picture. This is exactly what's happened.
    Or was it simply that the payment structure was thought up before the product was actually finished and only after launch was this shortcoming actually noticed? Perhaps someone should ask Uncle Mack.


    Best Posts
    The best posts (the most useful in my humble opinion) I have read on the product are as follows;

    OnlineMarketingSys (09-07 @ 05.43am)

    If you're following through with this or anything like it - you gotta keep check of the numbers.
    This post is the most logical and practical way to go.

    And Many Thanks to the author for that.

    YesIamSam (09-08 @10.41)

    The first thing to notice is that it is TARGETED and I think it's a great market as well - teenagers.
    Shows the method has potential - what might the results have been if it was sent to the whole of the market (not just the 11% iPhone segment).

    A great post!


    And finally the absolute best post I've read on it;
    Sipboy 3000 (09-08 @ 03.23 pm)

    Excellent information about actually profiting from mobile marketing.
    If there is a best way to make money using mobiles then this is the way to go and exactly how I was thinking it could work.
    I'm working on something similar for local businesses and I'd love to talk with Tommie if he'd like.

    Great post Tommie


    I will keep checking in with the forum to see how everyone is doing who has purchased this is, apologies again for the length of this post! Hope most of you got at least something out of it.

    Strawdog
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Voce
    If anybody want to try up to the end by this product through your own hop link.
    Unfortunately I haven't done it this way because I recognized late that this product is on CB.
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  • hi all,

    i sure wissh i had seen this thread before i saw the "cell phone cash" email.

    i bought and jumped right in. $100 and one day later: one CB sale of $23.50

    here are some thoughts though.

    1. use your 35 character headline to emphasize what you expect of them for clicking.
    ***win a dell computer - email required***
    ***fresh foreclosure lists $37.00***

    2. use a mobile optimized short form to opt them in to your CB offer.
    ***enter your email to make money***
    email them on a full screen when they're sitting down

    3. xsite pro 2 has a built in module to duplicate the site you build in mobile optimzed mode. (yes i do promote it.)

    i'm going to take a few more swipes at it before, i too, quit.
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  • Profile picture of the author ayolov
    most of the first, more enthusiastic posters (very new warriors, by the way) never came back as the more experienced marketers started trying this system out and expressed their honest opinions, this to me seems very suspicious and a cheap way to manipulate the warrior forum.

    I was curious, but I'll wait for another method that has less hype and more proof. Thanks warrior for your reviews, some even lost money on their experiments and were gracious enough to share your experiences with the rest of us.
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    • Profile picture of the author ed41143
      I too want to thank the warriors for posting their enlightening reviews. I put my ad on pause waiting for more videos, but am just considering going for the refund now, as no one from week 2 or 3 has any new or uplifting things to say about the program, just more losses and no profits.

      Not a good sign I would say.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nomad Warrior
    guys and gals... I have submitted 22 ads to date. 4 were rejected by admob.
    interesting thing was that I duplicated 4 of the ads so that I had doubles and triples and although a few were rejected THEIR DUPLICATES MADE IT THROUGH!.... there is something seriously wrong with admob from the advertiser point of view.

    lastly, one of my ads was for an iPhone app and it generated the most clicks (read wasted the most money) checked the stats at Apple and zero sales... ZERO SALES! that ad alone burned through $140

    if you guys figure this out - this is the place to help each other and ignore scammers that want $25 per month for something that simply does not deliver after you follow their advice
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    • Profile picture of the author jempub
      Hey there Warriors.

      I tried a CPA offer where all the person had to do was enter their
      phone number and email address and they paid out $1.25 per lead!

      So once again...funded the admob account with $50.00.

      Wrote what I thought was an excellent ad that said...

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      Touch Here to Win $35,000!
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      Well guess what??

      Once again, a TON "clicks" and NO LEAD SALES!

      And if you've checked recently with admob, ALL
      of their minimum bids have increased by .10 cents
      or more!

      So... I still have to say after $550.00 in intense
      testing, Cell Phone Cash is a DUD.

      Talk soon,
      Gary

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  • Profile picture of the author bd1292
    I have to agree with Gary and many other unfortunate money losers. This is a total DUD....I placed 15 ads, 5 of which were rejected. Of the 10 remaining, I had over 100,000 impressions and over 2,000 clicks on not one single sale!
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  • Profile picture of the author dannynz
    Hi Bd1292

    Sorry to hear you also had not success. May I ask what were you actually trying to sell them? Was this just for iphone users? What was the CB product and landing page?

    I am about to post some of my results, just waiting for the clicks to hit a good enough number, but I am using an optimized webpage I created with an optin form.

    Danny
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    • Profile picture of the author dannynz
      Hi All

      My ads are now running, I am watching them carefully.
      Ads are for Iphones and only targeting US and Canada.

      My Iphone ads are marketing cash for survey program,
      from the Highprofits affiliate network.

      Once the Admob advert is clicked the site that shows
      on the phone is fully optimized - which I created to
      make sure of this ...

      It is not perfect or mobile site language just html.

      On the branded page I only ask for their email. This
      triggers the branded email with the links to the offer
      - to their in-box.

      I am going to give u the url to a copy of the original
      page as I don't want people submitting on the my test
      page and stuffing up the stats.

      http://www.teamrev.wb.gs/copy_cell.html

      You can submit on that page and receive the email if
      you want and or grab the URL and try it on any phone.

      This is early days but I thought this might be helpful
      for others, here are some results -

      Iphone adverts -
      Touch: Get Paid For Your Opinion

      Impressions - 26,914
      Clicks - 92
      CTR - 0.34%
      Cost - $4.60

      No optin results

      I paused the next ad that was running alongside the
      other because it was only achieving approx. half the
      results as the other ... but below are the stats
      after I paused it.

      Iphone advert -
      Earn $3579 A Month email required

      Impressions - 10,770
      Clicks - 12
      CTR - 0.11%
      Cost - $0.60

      No optin results

      I know this is early days on this test - I am interested
      in feed back .... but once it hits $10 in costs and we don't
      have any success i.e. at least one person entering their
      email I might pull the plug. I am sure we can get better
      results using PPC for the price.

      The clicks are showing up on the stats for the actual
      page in my web marketing software, with the average
      view time at 1m 20s - it was at around 10s

      If someone as an Iphone please test filling in the form,
      below is the link to the page again (then let me know
      you submitted via an Iphone by PMing me here).

      http://www.teamrev.wb.gs/copy_cell.html

      I have tested it on Iphone optimizers and it fits etc
      but not actually on an Iphone, only my standard phone.

      ... ok now if this little test is not going to work, then frankly
      I doubt Mach is giving us the truth here or something is just
      not right - what do you think?

      My next test was going to be creating a mobile website
      in the correct format/code made for all devises not just
      the Iphone.

      My third test was again to be a mobile website, but
      with a third party instant click and pay function where by
      they send me the money to my bank. The mobile user
      can click, pay securely pretty quickly and have it billed to
      their mobile account. (I am sure Mach will get to teaching
      this?)

      Note: I was up late this morning to 3am and noticed Admob
      was still firing out the ads. I paused it until the morning.
      My thinking was surely they are not going to be effective late
      at night, I am targeting US and Canada people - awake not
      sleeping. Maybe if you are targeting a specific country you
      pause your ads over night - just a thought?

      Danny

      PS. Here is a Iphone test site
      http://www.testiphone.com

      Try looking at my little test site url on the Iphone test site
      http://www.teamrev.wb.gs/copy_cell.html
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      • Profile picture of the author Weblomaniac
        Thanks to everybody who has been posting their experiences here. DannyNZ, awesome post, it will be very enlightenting to see how it converts as you have gone to the trouble of ensuring that your iPhone page is targetted to the device and the action you require users to undertake is simple.

        Like many, I bought CellPhone cash and have watched all the videos and am questioning the methods being taught and the frequent contradictions in the teachings, and yes.. I too managed to burn through $50 on Admob very quickly with no sales. Unlike most in the forum though, I have a bit of experience in mobile site development (it's the IM bit I need help with :-)

        Mobile is indeed a huge market and there is big money to be made in it but I haven't seen anything in the first 3 weeks worth of lessons that i believe can get anywhere near the returns suggested. Indeed many of the posters in this thread have already pointed out some potentially fundamental flaws. However, there are a few other points that I haven't seen mentioned that I would like to share.

        1) Mack quite correctly highlights the importance of targeted marketing, and you might think your Admob campaigns are targetted becuase you chose to serve Ads only to iPhones in a specific country. The problem is the way your Ads are served. Admob isn't like PPC. On google you pay for clicks when a user hits your ad after searching for a term that you have specified. Admob just blasts there ads out, they aren't targeted to keywords like conventional PPC. So somebody interested in fast cars could be looking at flower arranging ads!

        2) So where do Admob ads appear? Well one of the big areas they get impressions from is by burying ads in iPhone downloads. iPhone publishers use Admob to generate revenue by by putting ads in their apps. So look at the iPhone user, he has a choice of downloading something from the AppStore for $1.99 or getting it for free if he can put up with the ads. That user is busy playing a game or something when your ad pops up. The ad wasn't targeted to that users' current behaviour (or a PPC search) , the user is already engrossed in something else. And.. because the user chose the FREE Ad supported download it could be argued that he is less likely to make a purchase anyway.

        3) A lot of traditional IM keyword / competitive research tools are shown in the training and I'm sure what is shown has some relevence, but I couldn't help thinking that using Internet tools to measure Internet user behaviour, products intended for consumption on a PC and advertising designed for PC based browsing is missing a trick. Surely you should be looking at trends in the mobile industry and what people are known to be buying on mobile. That's what I would call targetting. I would have thought the Apple iStore and other mobile specific sources would yield more relevant trending info than eBay or Google.

        A final point... One of the posters earlier in the thread made reference to a blog post that questioned the accuracy of Admob stats and discrepencies between Admob Clicks and those seen on the product owners site. This is to be expected on mobile as it is a quite different world to PC. There are numerous explanations for this including:

        a) If the blog poster wasn't specifically targetting iPhones he would have been getting traffic from all sorts of phones, many of which won't support javascript and that is required for Google Analytics. Thereofre discrepencies between Admob stats and Google Analytics (or any other javascript based) tracking at the final destination would definitely show differences.

        b) In the PC web development world we thought we had problems with 3-4 browsers to support and a few versions of each browser to contend with. Well how many mobile manufaturers are there and how many handset models do you think are out there? Yes there is some standardisation but handsets are designed/built/sold updated on such a fast turnaround they frequently go to market with bugs in them that don't get fixed. There are quite a few Nokia phones currently on sale that have a beauty of a bug in the browser that results in them throwing an error if you try and do an 302 header redirect on them, thus preventing you reaching your target. That may be too techie for many on here but believe me it's major, it shouldn't happen and it wouldn't happen on a PC browser. But mobile is very different. The mobile sites I build record the device and browser type and display a version of the content relevant to that phone, sometimes there are as many as 4 templates in action to ensure the user gets an experience as good as possible for their phone. My device database currently has about 2,500 different devices in it.

        c) Many network operators / carriers use funky proxies, content transcoders and caching servers on their networks to reduce bandwidth and get your page to you quicker. Some will even completely reformat the page against your will. Even supposing a Clickbank sales page designed for the PC looks like it will be OK on a phone there is no guarantee it will display properly or work properly on a phone. And the results are likely to be different from one carrier to another. So again, no guarentee that your Admob click will result in a click or sale getting recorded at the final destination.

        So my conclusions to date.

        Well done Mack, great sales page, targeted at the IM market for a niche that is currently super hot, you must be selling tons. The product is well presented the videos are well produced and there is some good general IM information in there. However, I think some of it may be flawed when it comes to mobile and I think to achieve even a fraction of the earnings suggested you probably need to create offers that are much more tightly targeted to your demographic and designed specifically for the devices they are using.

        Don't get me wrong, I truly believe there is gold in them there mobile hills, but like others on this thread I am becoming increasingly sceptical of this product. Meanwhile I am going to be doing more of my own digging and head scratching and will share what findings I can.

        Great thread, look forward to also seeing what results some of the others who are trying to crack this market can figure out, thanks for sharing yor findings so far.

        Apologies if this thread has got a bit long and is full of errors, I should have gone to bed two hours ago!
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        • Profile picture of the author dannynz
          Great info guys,

          Thanks Weblomaniac, good post. I have now spent hours studying the whole market, technologies, companies involved etc. I think the answer is in mobile websites, and more targeted like you say. I have learned more this way then from Mach's slow moving course. If I can get the results I am sure I can create a more no bull course - short blueprint.

          I don't get Mach creating a so called coaching product like this which just doesn't seem to deliver, even when you follow it step by step. He makes it sound so easy ... we know that is not the case, even when you create an optimized little web page for the Iphone like I did.

          Tempted to call Machs support and TRY to have a coaching conversation and discuss our results mentioning this forum thread. As anyone else attempted this?

          ... after machs second week of training he talks about using video from an action, has anyone had a go at this yet?

          New results - I now have two people optin in and email sent (auto), first one was in around 110 clicks, the second one not long after ... at this rate 1 out of 100 they are going to be expensive leads. overall not that impressed. It is just too hard to really target.

          Danny
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          • Profile picture of the author jempub
            Hello Warriors.

            All of these posts by the people who have ACTUALLY
            tested this product like me (over $700.00 in admob)
            have proven one thing and one thing only and it boils
            down to this...

            "This product is NOT as it is described. The advertising
            is UN-targeted at best".

            That's it. No long post needed. No speculation. Just
            proven and tested over and over again.

            The ONLY way Mack is making money is by selling the
            actual cell phone course.

            Talk soon,
            Gary


            Originally Posted by dannynz View Post

            Great info guys,

            Thanks Weblomaniac, good post. I have now spent hours studying the whole market, technologies, companies involved etc. I think the answer is in mobile websites, and more targeted like you say. I have learned more this way then from Mach's slow moving course. If I can get the results I am sure I can create a more no bull course - short blueprint.

            I don't get Mach creating a so called coaching product like this which just doesn't seem to deliver, even when you follow it step by step. He makes it sound so easy ... we know that is not the case, even when you create an optimized little web page for the Iphone like I did.

            Tempted to call Machs support and TRY to have a coaching conversation and discuss our results mentioning this forum thread. As anyone else attempted this?

            ... after machs second week of training he talks about using video from an action, has anyone had a go at this yet?

            New results - I now have two people optin in and email sent (auto), first one was in around 110 clicks, the second one not long after ... at this rate 1 out of 100 they are going to be expensive leads. overall not that impressed. It is just too hard to really target.

            Danny
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            • Profile picture of the author eiilers
              Hey Guys,

              Just spent an hour going through reading all of these posts. Thanks for saving me $25/month. I do not do affiliate marketing, but rather create my own custom products (software & info products mostly). I think that their definitely is some sort of potential in using cell phones to market products (even affiliate products) just Mack didn't have it figured out. And I feel very bad for all of the users on here who wasted their money on a system that clearly doesn't work.

              I think the ad method is all wrong, and using text messages as means to market would be much better. At the least, you can target your users (on location, and probably some demographics, such as age) and you can atleast send them your ad, and then a website URL (wouldn't be good for affiliate links but good for shorter URL's if you're doing your own products). Then get them to hop online to see your sales page (so videos and optimizing for mobile devices is not neccessary) and finish the sale that way.

              OR

              Another way of doing it, is to do it the way the large ringtone & game companies do it. This would NOT work for affiliate products and would have to be for your own products. You could send out a text message add campaign with your ad text, and then the call to action could be "Text 12345 to order now" and then you could figure out some way have it tacked onto the person's cell phone bill - no credit card required and then they would get text messaged back a download link, or something similar. I know the large ringtone companies have mastered this, so there has got to be some adnetwork that will allow you to do this, and takes care of the sales processing, etc.

              I am going to start doing some testing using different ad networks from a text message standpoint. I think there is more potential doing it that way. I know the SPAM laws apply, but there has got to be some decent opt-in list providers.

              I will keep you posted.

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          • Profile picture of the author C A Perez
            Originally Posted by dannynz View Post

            Great info guys,

            Tempted to call Machs support and TRY to have a coaching conversation and discuss our results mentioning this forum thread. As anyone else attempted this?

            ... after machs second week of training he talks about using video from an action, has anyone had a go at this yet?


            Danny
            Yes, I have contacted them. Before I go there, let me say:

            I chose not to jump into this fray on three counts. 1) I have learned much from Mack's MMM course and know that he helped me get started; 2) I signed up as a Cell Phone Cash affiliate; 3) not wanting to fork out another $25/mo, I didn't buy the product. So, I have no first hand experience with the product as most of you do.

            I chose to promote this product based on my 25+ year gut telecommunication experience. It oozes potential. After following this discussion, I have managed to put six of my eight articles on hold waiting for better results.

            But, since you asked here is a partial quote of the response I received from their support:
            "... I can assure you that Mack is not going to release a product that doesn't absolutely deliver what it says it will. Of course, everyone is going to have different results. There are many variables involved ...

            As for your results, you will know if an offer is going to work within the first 500 clicks, if you haven't gotten a conversion by then it's time to move to a new offer.
            You just need to try out a small amount of traffic with a few different offers to see which one converts best for you. And, remember that you can look outside of Clickbank also. CPA Networks have a lot of great offers, try ROI Rocket..."

            I don't know if this helps any, but I thought I should share.

            Carlos

            PS: Judging from many of the posters # of posts, I take it that many of you may also be Newbies like me.
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            • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
              Looks like 12 members of the jury reached a verdict.
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            • Profile picture of the author dannynz
              HI Carlos

              Thanks for the info.

              Originally Posted by C A Perez View Post

              As for your results, you will know if an offer is going to work within the first 500 clicks, if you haven't gotten a conversion by then it's time to move to a new offer.
              You just need to try out a small amount of traffic with a few different offers to see which one converts best for you. And, remember that you can look outside of Clickbank also. CPA Networks have a lot of great offers, try ROI Rocket..."
              Isn't this interesting, I don't recall Mach in the coaching videos mentioning that we need to test like this, look at the first 500 clicks? There is no instruction i.e. coaching.

              I do recall the first week of videos telling us to create an Admob account, pick a CB product, create the Admob ad and make money. There was very little about making sure the CB website is optimized for an iphone user.

              I would have liked to see Mach on video complete the whole process from scratch and show us in a video with screen shots. Then show the results etc over a few days. Before creating the training videos I expect it took him weeks to achieve results and after spending many thousands of dollars which he can afford to do on testing ads, product combination etc.

              I don't think he wants to reveal his successful set-ups, and leaves it to us to stuff up and spend cash on testing to find the right combination. Don't recall this being mentioned on the sales page. i.e. you will need around $500 to 1000 USD to really test and find success?

              As anyone else had their account with ROI Rocket approved? I am still waiting a week later.

              New results:

              Impressions - 58764
              Clicks - 164 clicks
              Email optins- 4
              Cost - $8.20
              Sales - nil

              ... so I will know by 500 clicks

              Danny
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        • Profile picture of the author Graphix Guru
          Weblomaniac, my compliments!

          I have no way of assessing whether your information is accurate, not being a cell phone industry insider, but based on what I do know it seems spot on! Speaking for everybody here (if I may be so bold), I offer my profuse thanks!

          Ironically (does anyone else feel this way?), you have provided more real value, content and education regarding this new, burgeoning (and confusing) industry than the 7 week SellFoneCrap™ course even aspired to do!

          Having spent many months struggling (and failing, like most here it would seem) with cell phone marketing, and having suffered through 7 weeks of broad, sweeping generalizations, hyperbolic theory and little real content of any value, it's a breath of fresh air to encounter information that actually addresses some of my questions and concerns. Heaven knows, repeated emails to Mac Michael's and his know-nothing troops didn't do me any good!

          Kudos to you, kind sir, and well done!
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  • Profile picture of the author bd1292
    dannynz,

    I attempted all sorts of products from CB, to LinkShare and Plimus. I only ran iPhone ads and with all those impressions and clicks, never got one sale. I find this very hard to believe that not even one person didn't order something. They were very targeted just as Mr. Mack told us to do. I even tried iPhone specific apps much like your testiphone link, all with no results. It still puzzles me to this day.

    Like I have mentioned in other comments, I love the concept but must be doing something entirely wrong. Please keep me informed on your progress. Thanks for all the detailed information.

    Brandon
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  • Profile picture of the author tjk1058
    I throw in the towel... just requested a refund last night. The results just don't look promising. If anything was mis-represented from a sales page this was by how easy he made it look.

    What makes me mad about this one was that it really looked feasible at first... no BS meters went off in my head as it was plausible that this was untapped territory and was easy picking.

    Maybe it was but then the originator found out it wasn't converting anymore and then decided to sell the method that doesn't work anymore?


    TedK
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  • Profile picture of the author Wilter Quesada
    I used Admob and I feel like if I just gave my $50.00 to a homeless guy that turn around and bought beer for a day, don't recommended you will loose your 50.00
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  • Profile picture of the author Reader
    I also bought this program. These ads are targeted for 16 to 24 year olds according to Mack's phone support people. Some of these "kids" are sophisticated, jaded and suspicious regarding ads and do not have credit cards. They are not that quick to purchase a Clickbank product or divulge information for cpa offers.

    I didn't believe it when one of the phone support persons told me people make money after every 50 clicks. It may have been that way when it first started, but no more as I have been reading these posts. So I paused my campaign yesterday. I don't want to spend any more money on this in Admob if I don't get at least one sale.

    The training is good, but a little repetitive. Probably will unsubscribe soon as I can't afford to lose any more money.
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    • Profile picture of the author angelus_1984
      I have bought the program and would NOT recommend it to anyone. And I, like a lot of people in here, have not made a single dime from iphone ads.

      Although the videos are produced in high quality there is not much content. The first few videos of the 1st module are about 5 minutes long and summarize the usual find a niche, do your research and write ads. The other case study videos are a bit longer but basically repeat the content of the first videos using some examples. Then the final video promising to make money within 48 hours tells you the method.

      Let's assume I am the worst copywriter in the history of mankind and furthermore assume the low CTR and CR is all my fault. BUT the massive exposure as promised by Mike is out of my control and not related to my adcopy. To cut a long story short I had about 30,000 impressions within 7 days, which is ridiculous considering the fact that Mike promises hundred of thousand even millions of people seeing your ads within a few hours.

      Next... Mike says you can't directly advertise his money maverick system due to the fact that includes videos, which are not compatible to iphone. He recommends to create a doorway page. However if someone would click on the link of the doorway page there would still be the same problem. I submited a support ticket to ask for a solution to this problem and did not receive an answer to this very day. So either the "great" support service does not exist or does not care.

      Last but not least the advertising network seems to have a lousy customer service as well. I tried to reach them via phone at different time and just got the mailbox. I wrote an e-mail but nobody answered. So if anyone knows how to close your account and get your remaining account balance back let me know.

      All in all it is much ado about nothing. I got my refund and a quite expensive as well as time consuming lecture.
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    • Profile picture of the author niac7
      I just want to first say that this forum has been EXCELLENT.

      It is apparent that the ones that have truly tested this system have provided stats and proof to back their posts. They have also tried many different angles to make this work.

      The guys that claim that it works or that it should work seem to provide no detailed info on their alleged success, unfortunately.

      One of the main failures seems to be the fact that you are not given all the info. So, you work with what you're given and it fails. Then next week he says, "Oh, you shouldn't market that product." So, you try again and the following week tells you, "Oh yeh, you should use a YouTube video and your own web page, etc."

      So, each time, you are given something new and more complex, but the previous vids make you feel as though you can make money before implementing this other stuff.

      Anyway, I've found a way that this can be monetized...and I came up with it just judging from your posts and my experience in another market.

      Unfortunately, I have to run, but I will post it later. It's something that you should be able to use elsewhere. It is also already proven in one medium and can easily be adapted to mobile.

      I give it to Mack though, he is an awesome marketer/copywriter. And, at the very least, he as open our eyes to a niche marketing area, although his method of exploiting it is a bit flawed.

      I'll post later with how this mobile market can truly be monetized and it won't cost you a dime. (You guys have already spent enough.)

      Thanks again for all your great posts.
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    • Profile picture of the author dannynz
      Originally Posted by rogersilen View Post

      I can promise you if i saw an ad for make money gaming i certainly would not be interested
      yes I agree Roger, I am assuming you are referring to my make money from gaming tests, I am not targeting young people. I am 39 and still into gaming, the guy on all the affiliate branding is it seems in his late 20s or 30s.

      Admob are not giving me enough impressions to see any results i.e. clicks. so I have paused it at the moment.

      I am now using this email opt-in page after the graphic is clicked:

      first - WG test for games 03
      second - WG test for games 03 opt-in
      If someone opts-in it sends them an email with affiliate links etc

      Originally Posted by rogersilen View Post

      however if i saw a more generic ad like "Touch Me to make Money with your Phone" I may be more inclined to click it.. Once clicked you better have something good to say... Best way to do this is with a YOUTUBE VIDEO!! as Mack recommends...
      I have not tested this yet, might soon. At the moment I am testing different/simple opt-in offers, very little needed from the prospect, so far the results are not that great.

      Originally Posted by rogersilen View Post

      Also the idea is not to just to make a sale on the spot... it's to arouse curiosity enough that the person will not lose your site(bookmark etc.) and come back to it later... This means on your youtube video you better have a branded site... ie. Buy a domain for 10 bucks.... so that its memorable...
      (Like Mack recommends) example.. i just bought the domain... BestHomeBusinessPeriod.com.. if you have that running on your youtube video.. they wont soon forget it...
      Correct me if I am wrong but I assume you saying from watching a video on the Iphone with a branded url they are going to write it down and then go to your site on a computer later on? I wouldn't, I don't see this being that effective - give it ago Roger and let us know.

      ... I don't know if Admob would be ok with this, if video is not allowed on the main sales pages as Mach told us in the training. You can use mobile website formatted services and upload the video to their server and it is action-ed from a request on the screen. After the video you can then have an offer button to buy something etc without using a credit card ... billed to an account.

      Roger you suggest:
      --> more general headline to get the click
      --> followed by a Video on Youtube that can Arouse and Interest
      --> into a branded website ... cost $10 then forward it to your affiliate site

      Are you saying from watching the video on say an iphone, they click on the video after-wards to go to the affiliate website on the iphone? Or they watch the video and write down the URL?

      Can you explain this a bit more please.

      I listen to Machs training on this in week 2, and I just thought it sounded stupid. I prefer to do this:

      1. Click advert
      2. Opt-in offer/form to get to watch the video
      3. After form is filled in the video appears to introduce them - end
      4. Follow up emails are sent to their inbox with affiliate links.

      regards
      Danny

      PS. I have improved the opt-in form for my Paid Survey offer page after clicking on the advert (Week 3 Mach uses paid survey as an example and suggests it is a good product - I am not seeing great results just for an opt-in).

      see: WG test for cell ... only 6 opt-ins from 278 clicks, 84265 impressions.

      My only thought now is to try to get a better advert happening to get the clicks up. I have tried 4 different combinations now I think it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author krishnaGopal
    I tried it out for a while and my profits were -$162 ! I made a loss and stopped it there before the numbers started expanding. I got a refund.
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  • Profile picture of the author k_yemi33

    pls i dont understand what u are talking about can u throw more ligh.
    thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author niac7
      Originally Posted by k_yemi33 View Post


      pls i dont understand what u are talking about can u throw more ligh.
      thanks
      Sorry about that...Some times I think I am explaining clearly, but it only seems clear to me since I've been studying a similar method for a while.

      Let's see......

      Say, you are ready to try this out.

      First, you go into a site like AdBrite and post that you are selling 8 advertising slots on your webpage that is getting 7000 hits/week.

      You are selling the ad space at $47/week.

      Soon, you get 8 advertisers that are interested in buying these slots.

      Next, you create a splash page with your main offer in the middle that may ask for an email to proceed or something. (The offer and what you choose to use on your splash page are up to you.)

      In addition to your main offer, you arrange the advertiser's ads to the side of your offer. (I'm sure you've seen blogs or articles where the main stuff is in the middle and advertisers on the sides...same thing.)

      Now, you have your page set up and your advertisers have paid you for the privilege of allowing your potential customers to also see their ad.

      So, you are ready to drive traffic to that splash page.

      The advertisers have grossed you $376 from the sale of your 8 ad slots at $47 each.

      You deposit $350 at an ad network like AdMob or whomever you choose and bid $0.05 per click, budgeted at $50 per day.

      Now, you are basically buying 7000 clicks this week which satisfies your deal with the advertisers and you are up $26 so far.

      If any of your clicks translate into sales, great, however, we see this is rare. But, even if they don't, you have made $26.

      Once you have done this, you can scale it up to the level that youu need in order to make the type of money you want.

      This is my attempt to turn "lemons into lemonade" so to speak.

      Hopefully the little walkthrough cleared up some things.

      Again, it would be great if someone would test this, especially those that are already testing.

      I will let you know the results of my other method which I think is far superior to this, but only proper testing will be sure.

      Thanks again guys. I don't know if I would've had this breakthrough idea without reading the posts here.
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  • Profile picture of the author tonio79
    Hi guys and gals

    Thought i would update on my results to let you know how i got on. I'll keep it brief.

    Total Impressions: Total Clicks: Average CTR: Average CPC: Total Cost: 385,213 981 0.25% $0.05 $49.05
    And most importantly....

    Sales / Income = $4.50

    I was using a CPA offer that was optimised to use with the iphone and all the user had to do was put in their email address and i would get $1.50 per time.

    3 leads out of almost 1000 click through....not the best conversion rate i can tell you.

    Not a bad way to build a list though....if you are the one offering the $1.50 a lead that is.

    Breakdown of thought:
    100 leads for $150. Then you could email them an offer....3% conversion where you can earn $50 each sale and you have paid for your list building operation.

    You can then continue to market to them over and over for FREE.

    Multiply this by 10 to get a $1500 dollar a month income??
    Multiply by 20 to get a $3000 dollar a month income??

    I guess its all just a numbers game in terms of what you want to earn and responsivenss of the list....but when you have a list.....its free to send that email anyway!!


    Out of interest does anyone have any results of how much it cost them to build a list of 100 names using for example Google adwords or social media spend??

    Is $1.50 per name excessive??

    If not then why not put your own CPA offer up and build a list??

    Anyway...i said i would keep it brief and quite dlearly i haven't....apologies.

    Tony
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    Apologies about the formatting of the figures above...i just cut and paste from Admob and it clearly came out wrong...heres a better formatted version.

    Impressions:385,213
    Total Clicks: 981
    Average CTR: 0.25%
    Average CPC: $0.05
    Total Cost: $49.05

    Sales: $4.50

    Tony
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    • Profile picture of the author niac7
      I'm working on a project that I believe could convert many those IMPRESSIONS into leads or build a list from them.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Pateman
    This looks like another shinny new opportunity.
    I've go my hands full with other online adventures, so I think I'll wait until the bugs are ironed out. Although, the potential is huge.

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    • Profile picture of the author niac7
      You something that is really strange....His Videos seem to promote the idea of marketing to iPhone users, but his Sales Letter says something completely different.

      Here is a direct quote:

      What blows my mind is that any make-money program on the internet today that talks about making money with Cell Phones, talk about only the iPhone.

      Did you know that the Apple iPhone only has an 11% Market Share in the Cell Phone Industry as of Q1 2009? What about the other 89% of the people?

      This is exactly one of the discoveries I have made, which will allow you to tap into many different angles with Cell Phones that others simply can't even imagine.

      For example, take a look at this chart I put together based off of all of the Q1 information that was made public about the Cell Phone industry below.

      You'll notice I broke out the Nokia segment, to illustrate how BIG of a market there is to make money from, that completely trumps the iPhone!



      Wow, but the first few weeks are about marketing to iPhone users. Why not show how to market to the huge Nokia market as described.

      Maybe he covers it much later, but it is probably too late at that point, since most people will have tried and mostly failed based on the method given and won't stick around for the rest.

      Oh well, I'm still preparing and testing another strategy for this that I hope to share with you soon based on its results.
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  • Profile picture of the author jempub
    Hey Warriors.

    Well... Week 4 videos are up and guess what??

    EVERYTHING this guy teaches in week 1 is now
    completely WRONG!

    YEP... That's what he basically says in week 4.

    UNBELIEVABLE!

    Talk soon,
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    • Profile picture of the author dannynz
      Hi jempub/Gary

      My first reaction when I read your post was - oh you have got to be kidding ... along with shaking my head in disbelief How does he get away with running this circus?

      Ok Gary can you give us all a short overview/points on what is covered in week 4? I get access on Thursday, not sure I can wait that long.

      Week 3 was so fluffed up with basic stuff I was bored to tears. He goes on about researching a market etc etc when we all know there is a limit to what you can successfully offer. The logic in my mind is - if the make money products like I have tested - paid surveys etc are not going to yield a result I doubt others would - no matter how much research and making great headlines etc you do.

      ... we NEVER see any real live examples.

      To date none of my carefully crafted test projects have made money - all losses. All ads are paused until I get one more test up. I am tempted to call Machs so called coaching support team to have them to go over what I created/tested to see what they have to say.

      ... so Gary mate can we get an overview of week 4?

      Danny
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      • Profile picture of the author jempub
        Hi Danny.

        Well... Let's just say that when we were taught in Week 1
        to find a product, create an ad and get the affiliate link?

        Week 4 says that people who do this LOSE MONEY!

        Yeah... We know...LOL

        Now we're told to NOT direct link to an affiliate page
        at all!

        Basically... we're now told of 3 BIG WAYS to advertise
        correctly and the way we were told in week one IS NOT
        the way to go or you'll lose a TON of money...

        Geesh... This is a freakin' joke.

        Talk soon,
        Gary
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        • Profile picture of the author dannynz
          Hi Gary,

          Originally Posted by jempub View Post


          Basically... we're now told of 3 BIG WAYS to advertise
          correctly and the way we were told in week one IS NOT
          the way to go or you'll lose a TON of money...
          Without dealing with the ethics of having us all - pay to learn how to loss money marketing on Cell phones over the past 3 weeks ... shaking my head again in disbelief ...

          Does week 4 cover these "3 Big ways" or do we have to wait for week 5?

          He was meant to be teaching us how to set up - taking direct calls from people clicking on ads.

          Danny
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          • Profile picture of the author jempub
            All "methods" are covered in week 4.

            Not that they're mind blowing...

            Same simple stuff told in a BIG CIRCLE!

            Talk soon,
            Gary
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            • Profile picture of the author niac7
              Wow....That is totally unbelievable.

              How could a course teach one method one week and then the following weeks explain that those methods explained previously do not work.

              Wow...Just Wow..man
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              • Profile picture of the author Stephen Liew
                wow. that's not a good news. Will he reveal in week 7 that all the methods for the past 6 weeks are completely wrong and the money making techniques is only in week 7 ?
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                • Profile picture of the author jempub
                  It doesn't look too promising.

                  the stuff he's "teaching" in lesson 4 is basically what
                  I was doing over 10 years ago placing ads in newspapers
                  and magazines...

                  Small ad... Voice mail...(script)... Presell... Sell...

                  Now believe me... This technique WORKS!

                  Before I switched over to the internet, I had 417
                  ads running in different papers and was bringing in
                  a very steady six figure per year income.

                  What this guy teaches in week 4 is VERY VERY similar
                  to what I just described. The only difference is he adds
                  the use of video!

                  Really nothing new or revolutionary.

                  Talk soon,
                  Gary
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              • Profile picture of the author Petrovski
                Originally Posted by niac7 View Post

                Wow....That is totally unbelievable.

                How could a course teach one method one week and then the following weeks explain that those methods explained previously do not work.

                Wow...Just Wow..man
                I'll consider myself lucky that I didn't buy this rubbish.
                According to the advertising each of these modules costs between $364 and $540 with the final one costing $673. To buy each one of these individually and then be told that they don't work is extremely strange.
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              • Profile picture of the author lgoncalves
                Well since I felt a bit "attacked", i'm NOT PROMOTING ANYTHING period.

                It almost looks like been part of a membership site is BAD. If not a single person try one product and give his testimony, how are others suppose to know if it worse it.

                This is MY 2 POST...YES...NEWBIE...we all start with something.

                ...and if this is a section to post some product reviews...I can give my opinion for you guys of what I liked or not.

                No heart feeling!

                Thanks,
                Leonardo
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                • Originally Posted by lgoncalves View Post

                  Well since I felt a bit "attacked", i'm NOT PROMOTING ANYTHING period.

                  It almost looks like been part of a membership site is BAD. If not a single person try one product and give his testimony, how are others suppose to know if it worse it.
                  No one is attacking you personally. I made a general observation that 3-4 people posting in the last 24 hours with testimonials like "oh hey your loosing money, but the mobile market is SO huge give it a chance."

                  And trust me that like many others on this forum, we have given it a chance including the seller (Mack) himself. But the facts and results speak for themselves, when you go from week to week "telling people to buy XYZ product" and then the next week "You should NEVER buy XYZ product" it really makes you wonder. I am about as dumbfounded by this system as the next guy and I am an experience Internet Marketer.

                  Please if you have any rational behind why you would give people blatent contradictory information from week to week, please fill me in.

                  Examples:

                  A) In week one we were told to market "health, weighloss, fitness products" from Clickbank if we didn't have a product of our own.

                  1) He then in week two tells us "diet pills are the worst things you can market through cellphones.

                  B) In weeks 1-4 all we hear is Clickbank this Clickbank that. How great Clickbank is and how much money you can make offering your product on clickbank to cellphone users.

                  1) Then we learn "you will loose boatloads of money if you promote clickbank products to cellphone users".

                  You cannot make up this stuff, it's just TOO funny. Not to mention for the love of GOD, he's not promoting adwords (so what is he spending 10 videos telling you on how to do Adwords analytics and research?). Maybe he had some old content from his Maverick Money system left over that he threw in, but it's just unreal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wuuki
    Hi,

    I will give you a detailed report on my experiences from the last 3 weeks but I just found this message inside the program that I thought is worth sharing:

    "Please do not use these marketing methods to advertise products relating to making money from home or making money online on services such as AdBrite and AdMob. They no longer accept such campaigns."

    Guess there is something going on.....

    Take care

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    • Profile picture of the author dannynz
      Hi Volker

      Yes, I see that is the case in the members screen there. Something must have happened. I expect when you have 10,000 new people placing adverts on these networks it is going to cause some issues.

      It would be great if Mach would speak out and say something on -

      1. Why so many have not been able to make what he teaches work
      2. The situation with Admob, AdBrite

      etc

      Danny
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    • Profile picture of the author niac7
      Originally Posted by Wuuki View Post

      Hi,

      I will give you a detailed report on my experiences from the last 3 weeks but I just found this message inside the program that I thought is worth sharing:

      "Please do not use these marketing methods to advertise products relating to making money from home or making money online on services such as AdBrite and AdMob. They no longer accept such campaigns."

      Guess there is something going on.....

      Take care

      Volker
      I am just still amazed each day by the stuff coming out of this course.

      I don't believe I've seen a course quite as disappointing to so many people.
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      • Profile picture of the author jempub
        I agree 100% Niac7! This is really bad.

        The ONLY people who've made huge amounts
        of cash are: Mack, Admob, ROI Rocket, etc...

        Talk soon,
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        • Profile picture of the author 6mdrux6
          He is also too busy to acknowledge any request for a refund.

          Mel
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  • Profile picture of the author wingsofsuccess
    This thread is really getting stale, with people choosing not to bother posting anymore!

    These videos are not leading us anywhere.

    After watching each week's video, i feel like a fool because i am told that the techniques discussed in the previous videos do not work. This is insane!

    I am done. Asked for a refund yesterday.

    -Abhi
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