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I have Project Green Button as my top pick on my PLR website. I was dismayed to see that they have a notice on their order page telling visitors that PLRPro is currently closed to new members and inviting them to put their name on a waiting list.

I've e-mailed asking if this is in fact true or whether this is a marketing strategy. I haven't heard back yet. Does anyone know the scoop on this?

I'm hoping not to have to change tons of links throughout my website and newsletter series.
#button #green #project
  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    Project Green Button never worked very well and the owners eventually decided to 'go back to basics', drop the PGB concept and return to providing single elements such as PLR and AMA that work well.

    This was announced some time ago but these guys always seem to take ages to do things. Nice guys but not good time managers IMHO.

    Pearson
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    • Profile picture of the author penny_preston
      I know that PLRPro closed their doors for several months while they developed PGB. I agree about them taking ages to do things. Their customer support is almost none existent. Thanks for the feedback.
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      • Profile picture of the author GinaR
        I'm a current member of their plrpro ebooks service. It hasn't been updated since June. Very very poor customer service (I have had unanswered support tickets and emails for a couple of months now and I'm certainly not the only one). I would have quit ages ago but so many will say what good guys Marc and Daniel are and how it will turn out ok in the end. That may be so (time will tell), but it wouldn't hurt them to actually contact their members once in a while and keep them 'in the loop'. I couldn't in all conscience recommend joining any of their memberships where they are supposed to supply something on a monthly basis - they just don't seem to be able to cope at the moment.
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  • Profile picture of the author stuartb
    I, too, am a subscriber to their PLRPro ebooks service, and like GinaR I couldn't recommend joining any of their memberships until they drastically improve their customer service.

    Marc Lindsay and Daniel Turner have been producing high quality PLR products for ages and they are always described as all-round good guys. Also, however, there is often reference to them taking on more than they can handle and falling behind schedule.

    Their PLRPro ebooks service has really demonstrated that in the extreme. The products have completely dried up and no new ebooks have been published since June. Subscribers have become increasingly frustrated as the subscription has been collected month after month with nothing to show for it, and support requests, emails and complaints on the user forum from me and others have gone unanswered.

    This is such a pity as the product was of very high quality, and the site had built up a very loyal following
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    • Profile picture of the author hag888y
      Their new version is not any better in my opinion, and don't expect a refund either, support tickets go unanswered, they took the weekend off during the new launch, and so it's no wonder why they are now behind with support. If you voice your opinion on the forum you will be deleted, the forum seems to be the only thing being looked at by any staff.

      The training site is unfinished, the articles i received are poor quality, here is an excerpt of one

      "So you want to learn how to play the electric guitar. There are definitely a few important things you're going to have to tackle, one being the scales of the guitar. Learning the guitar scales is a very important electric guitar lesson, one that must be mastered before you can play properly. Before you can learn to play the electric guitar you need to understand the scales and how they work, and this is actually one of the most important areas of guitar playing that must be covered.

      For the basic electric guitar lesson on how to learn the scales, it's important to know which scales are the most common."

      Nice eh!!

      Be careful where you spend your cash.
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  • Profile picture of the author pavionjsl
    Building wordpress sites are part of it now but counting on this group is tough. Constant theme they are nice folks but they have bigger goals then what is delivered.
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    • Profile picture of the author hag888y
      Yep they definitely overstretch themselves, and then under deliver. There were quite a few complaints on the new forum about the new relaunched product, but magically they have all gone!!

      Many people had paid for the 10 day trial but had no login information sent to them until the trial was nearly up.

      I paid full wack for a month, saw all i needed to see when i eventually received my login info 2 days later, now i am still waiting for my refund...i don't honestly hold out much hope for it..be warned everybody, paypal will not back you up for virtual goods, only physical or goods purchased on ebay, so your moneys as good as gone if you give it to these "nice guys".

      Once bitten, twice shy.
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      • Profile picture of the author KenJ
        These dear, dear guys do not have a clue when it comes to passing on their knowledge.

        They are really super guys who are able to get monthly subscribers paying them every month even though they haven't supplied any decent product or content for the last 6 months. remarkable feat.

        They are still sending me emails trying to get me to rejoin. I'd love to help them out and did make suggestions over a year ago.

        Just so you know

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        • Profile picture of the author hag888y
          Has anybody managed to get a refund out of these guys for their new "work in progress" collection of products...
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          • Profile picture of the author newfr8
            I second Kenj's post, as a former PGB member.
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          • Profile picture of the author Si Glover
            Originally Posted by hag888y View Post

            Has anybody managed to get a refund out of these guys for their new "work in progress" collection of products...
            I'm still waiting for my refund, not holding out any hope though.

            They just completely ignore people.

            I've had a support ticket in with them for the last 6 days - absolutely nothing back from them.

            I've PM'd Marc at the 'new' forum - no reply.

            Any posts made at the 'new' forum where people ask for support/complain about the service are swiftly deleted.

            In one of the now deleted threads Marc said to PM him if you wanted a refund - I took a screenprint of the thread and my PM to him in case this helps my cause if the need arises to make this a claim at PayPal.

            Although, as Ian says, the last time I had a problem with a 'virtual' purchase PayPal decided to side with the vendor as the goods were 'intangible', so my money was gone.

            If PayPal decide not to refund do they take any notice if there are a number of people complaining/demanding refunds from the same vendor?

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            • Profile picture of the author hag888y
              Originally Posted by Si Glover View Post

              I'm still waiting for my refund, not holding out any hope though.

              They just completely ignore people.

              I've had a support ticket in with them for the last 6 days - absolutely nothing back from them.

              I've PM'd Marc at the 'new' forum - no reply.

              Any posts made at the 'new' forum where people ask for support/complain about the service are swiftly deleted.

              In one of the now deleted threads Marc said to PM him if you wanted a refund - I took a screenprint of the thread and my PM to him in case this helps my cause if the need arises to make this a claim at PayPal.

              Although, as Ian says, the last time I had a problem with a 'virtual' purchase PayPal decided to side with the vendor as the goods were 'intangible', so my money was gone.

              If PayPal decide not to refund do they take any notice if there are a number of people complaining/demanding refunds from the same vendor?

              Si
              SI, I have now had a full refund, it took a while, due to the backlog of adding new users and dealing with tickets, hope you get yours soon SI.
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              • Profile picture of the author Si Glover
                @ Ian

                That's good news, fingers crossed they'll get to my request once they've got through all the support tickets.

                Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

    Lovely people who started out so well. But I've probably lost more money with them, paying $150 a month subscription and waiting around in vain for promised changes to materialize, than I have with anybody else.

    At least AMA works well - but that is an automatic system that doesn't require intervention on their part.

    Pearson
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  • Profile picture of the author niceweb
    I am also a former PGB member, and i actually tried thier new product with a 5 dollar trial.

    The member area was still just placeholder text and video. I can't belive they even allow new paying members without the system being online. I canceled 1 min after i joined.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Sussman
    I originally joined PLRPro in 2006. I stayed a member for 13 or 14 momths. The only reason I left was that I was ending up with more content on my hard drive than on my websites. I decided that it would make more sense to buy PLR on a as needs basis.

    I was also a member of PLRPro eBooks for 4 or 5 months. I lefy because the ebook packages were often incomplete. By this stage there were also problems with their support.

    I was asked to join PGB at a reduced rate for previous customers. I lasted 3 months. PGB just didn't work.

    Last week, I was offered a previous customer discount for the reinvented PLRPro 2010. I had a problem with their discount coupon and couldn't sign up. I wrote to their support desk and to Daniel informing them.

    In one of their earlier emails they stated that they are working towards resolving support issues in 7 hours.

    It has now been five days since I opened my support ticket. As of today it is still "Awaiting assignment to a help desk operator".

    Two support requests. One email. Five days. No response.

    Everything changes. Nothing changes.

    I won't be rejoining.

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    • Profile picture of the author shaunwilliams
      Hi
      As a previous PGB member i also got the rejoin email and opted for the 10day trial. I received my login details 36 hours later ( not bad ) but only for the plr pro 2010, i thought i was trialling all 4 components of the new Progression Internet Marketing System as it is now called. As yet i cannot access the other 3 which if i am correct is AMA,The Wordpress site builder software and something else, i obviously will be canceling before day 10 unless i can test the whole system.

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    Been with PGB for a few months, just that I feel the content is more than what I can handle at the time and canceled it.

    Like others, got the invites back to PGB, I was asked why I did not rejoin, I simply replied I was not interested in recurring membership. I guess, it's difficult to maintain a good membership of good value in the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    The recurrent theme here is that these are nice guys who have been overwhelmed by what they have taken on. It's a great illustration of the perils of relying too heavily on outsourcing.

    However, I don't think you will have any problems getting your money back. It's that, like everything else, it will take far longer than you anticipated.

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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Sussman
    Si,

    They will get to your request. Guaranteed.

    I think Pearson summed it up.
    The recurrent theme here is that these are nice guys who have been overwhelmed by what they have taken on. It's a great illustration of the perils of relying too heavily on outsourcing.

    However, I don't think you will have any problems getting your money back. It's that, like everything else, it will take far longer than you anticipated.
    I've had dealings with them on and off since 2006. You will get your refund.

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  • Profile picture of the author Si Glover
    Quick update,

    Received my refund today - as people said above, genuine guys but the support system lets them down.

    Si
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    • Profile picture of the author hag888y
      Originally Posted by Si Glover View Post

      Quick update,

      Received my refund today - as people said above, genuine guys but the support system lets them down.

      Si
      Good, glad you got your refund.
      Cheers Si

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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Lindsay
    Should have monitored here.

    Apologies guys, and no its not from outsourcing too heavily at all. In fact most of my team is insourced and work directly for the company.

    The sad fact is they work better than most anyone I could hire in the USA or Australia.

    For the few here that did have issues with refunds here.

    Would you mind if I just gave you 6 months access for free?

    I do apologize, things have changed massively in the PLRPro brand and the last training sessions have been superb and the feedback awesome.

    I would hate to think that due to previously, admitted, lacking support, that we may have turned you away from something that might just make the difference for you.

    It's obviously not something you have to take up, please PM me your details and I'll have Jonathan personally set you up tomorrow, and call you to introduce you back.

    Would this be okay by you?

    Cheers
    Marc
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Lindsay
    Also Si Glover,

    The thread deletions are not because of that at all, we follow the whirlpoolforum motto in Australia, one of the best on the web.

    If you let a thread out of hand, it goes off topic and then no one can find what they need later.

    I apologise if you felt that was the case, but the support system is for support and it lets us help our staff help you better.

    So again, Anyone here who'm I have not already personally spoken too from the forum or on the phone that signed up and left again due to the influx period and support bog down.

    I welcome you back with 6 months free at your leisure.

    Cheers
    Marc
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    • Profile picture of the author Si Glover
      Originally Posted by Marc Lindsay View Post

      Also Si Glover,

      The thread deletions are not because of that at all, we follow the whirlpoolforum motto in Australia, one of the best on the web.

      If you let a thread out of hand, it goes off topic and then no one can find what they need later.

      I apologise if you felt that was the case, but the support system is for support and it lets us help our staff help you better.

      So again, Anyone here who'm I have not already personally spoken too from the forum or on the phone that signed up and left again due to the influx period and support bog down.

      I welcome you back with 6 months free at your leisure.

      Cheers
      Marc
      Marc,

      The problem comes down to perception. The perception that I, and a number of others had, was that things were being ignored - even if this wasn't the case.

      At the time the only way to try and get any attention was via the forum. I had a support ticket in the system for 4 or 5 days that hadn't even been assigned to an operator so wasn't even sure you were aware that there was a support ticket in from me.

      Someone obviously had the time to come in and delete the thread so that person ideally should have PM'd the people who had posted in the thread and at least given people an update on what was happening.

      I sent you a PM over at the 'new' forum when you, or someone using your login details, was online because I thought you would see it and reply, but there was nothing.

      Irrespective of what was actually happening there was no communication coming out - which is where people perceive they are being ignored and they then try and bring attention to any support issues that they are having by posting on the forums.

      TBH there wasn't that many people complaining on the forum, and whilst I accept that you were inundated with new members and support requests it wouldn't take 30 seconds to send a quick reply with an idea of what was going on.

      Like I said above, and in a reply to Jonathan, you are genuine guys but the support/communication side of things had let the launch down.

      Si
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    Interesting feedback. May give it a try.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Lindsay
    FYI anyone reading this thread.

    What is said previously about myself and Daniel is absolutely true.

    In 2009 we took on more than we can chew, we got indegestion and had to medicate for it to clear. Since then we have done a major overhaul of everything in our strategy.

    From operations, with our now wonderful operations manager, through to customer relationship, with our wonderful team lead also.

    The products released in February do all work, and work fantastically, though there was a backlog of around 10 days to be honest in support.

    This was due to our Customer Relations manager personally emailing or calling if possible all new members as well as adding manually into the combined services.

    We did not expect as many as did come through so, another lesson for the future (this is why Evolution is our top value) is to set expectations correctly on launch periods for support.

    Our future goal is 7 hour turnaround time on solving requests, this will eventually require 24 hour support 7 days a week. It's quite a feat and I don't believe anyone in the IM industry does this, though we will be before the year is out.

    Currently its 24 hour reply time, and we have our awesomely wicked team lead of customer relations doing this.

    If you do have a problem, I personally am more than happy to get on the phone with you.

    We are now focused on what we need to be focused on, and have the team in place to make things happen.

    This is what being an entrepreneur is about, realizing, accepting, learning & growing. Newbie or further you will always go through this.

    Looking forward to working more with like minded

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    "Our future goal is 7 hour turnaround time on solving requests, this will eventually require 24 hour support 7 days a week. It's quite a feat and I don't believe anyone in the IM industry does this, though we will be before the year is out."

    Hi Marc,

    For me, this is the bit that you do wrong. You pre-announce these massive objectives - and then disappoint if/when you fail to achieve them.

    I think you'd be better off just getting on with improvements behind the scenes and then announcing them when they are working properly.

    I kept on paying $150 a month for the PGB for several months after I should have stopped because I thought your promises were based on fact and not aspiration.

    Even now, I don't feel badly towards you because your original PLR Pro was so very good - and made me a lot of money.

    Pearson Brown
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  • Profile picture of the author idbioman
    Wow for somebody new to the warrior forum and thinking about signing up for PGB that was alot to take in!

    Very very interesting though, I was very keen, like most had heard good things about PGB, then the reality of previous users comments sunk in and I thought Ill give it a miss I think. Then Marc writes back and changes my mind, so where am I? Well now lost.

    I have now actually signed up, or signed up to be signed up! As its currently sold out, so as a complete newbie I will be interested to see what happens.

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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Lindsay
    Hey Pearsonbrown,

    There is a difference here.

    That is an objective not one I'm selling you on. Previously I've released what will happen as a point in buying the program.

    This is instead a company mission and goal that will happen. I'm not giving you a time line or when, I'm telling you its one of our missions to decrease to this.

    I make a habit now of not mentioning what will be happening product wise, you will notice no outlandish claims with PIM, AMA, Affiliate Siphon, or PLRPro, only what they are currently now.

    AS has heaps in the pipeline but I'll not release any of it.

    What I will release is business structure changes, in fact you would see that from only just what has happened lately.

    Live support during work hours, centralized support system for all channels, dedicated customer manager.

    I do agree with you entirely though I don't believe by that comment I am not delivering.

    I've said the support time currently and thats as it is.

    Si I agree, perception is everything.

    We should have set the perception that it will most likely take 10 days to hammer everything out, we didn't now we plan our requirement for support ahead on these days.

    You did mention something very interesting though, no operator assignment.

    This doesn't happen by default but it doesn't mean that your ticket is not known about. Did this effect your perception on support?

    What if we had assignment to operators and some message that went automatically on ticket creation?

    Thanks
    Marc
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    • Profile picture of the author Si Glover
      Originally Posted by Marc Lindsay View Post


      Si I agree, perception is everything.

      We should have set the perception that it will most likely take 10 days to hammer everything out, we didn't now we plan our requirement for support ahead on these days.

      You did mention something very interesting though, no operator assignment.

      This doesn't happen by default but it doesn't mean that your ticket is not known about. Did this effect your perception on support?

      What if we had assignment to operators and some message that went automatically on ticket creation?

      Thanks
      Marc
      Marc,

      Perception was the big thing for me.

      Might be a poor analogy but it was very similar to a snowball from my point of view.

      The vast majortity of products in the IM market are delivered instantly as you're aware, even some physical products offer the ability to download copies of the various files so you can get to work before the physical product drops through your door.

      People were promised access within 24 hours and if they weren't set up within that timeframe to contact support.

      I left it approx 36 hours before contacting support.

      In addition, the sign up email that was sent automatically linked to the 'old' forum which I'm sure you're aware has a number of 'negative' posts re support etc

      This is where the snowball begins to get bigger and bigger and difficult to control.

      Within some of the posts there were claims that nobody worked over the weekend - which was a bit of a shock (not sure if that's true or not but there was nobody there to refute it, which to a certain extent lends credence to that theory).

      I leave it another 24 hours or so before filing another post to the support ticket and notice that it is yet to be assigned.

      Of course by this point there are a number of people wanting to know what is going on etc with some people only having a 10-day trial and having waited a good 3 or 4 days and still not being set up.

      By this point people become frustrated and make more and more posts at the forum. Other people add fuel to the fire and the only thing people actually see is that the various threads requesting an idea of what is going on are being deleted.

      I deal with another supplier who uses the same support desk and I always receive an immediate reply that it will be dealt with within 24hours and when I view the ticket I 'see' that it has been assigned so my perception here is that someone cares if that makes any sense?

      Si
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Lindsay
    Hey Adam,

    I cant reply to your PM as I dont have enough posts yet here. But I'm signing you up now free.

    Please drop me an email and I'll chat to you shortly.

    Regards
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Sussman
    I think and hope that the suport issues have now settled down. I did eventually get a response from Jonathan at the help desk. I gave him some feedback which wasn't pretty. To his credit he dealt with it extremely well and then quickly and professionaly resolved my issues. Since then, the response time has been very good and very fast. I truly believe that the support isues have at long last been dealt with.

    I should add, that due to the mistakes at the launch, Marc has given me free access for six months. I can deal with people that make good their mistakes.

    I hope to be able to report back in six months, letting you know that I'm making money with PLRPro and that its a no-brainer to pay the monthly fee.

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    • Profile picture of the author NicSennen
      I paid for the 10 day trial to the new plr pro 3 days ago and so far haven't been sent any access details.
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      • Profile picture of the author FivestarHB
        Originally Posted by gracebiz1 View Post

        I paid for the 10 day trial to the new plr pro 3 days ago and so far haven't been sent any access details.
        Probably a long weekend in Oz :-) At least Marc had the guts to come in here and defend himself - better than completely ignoring it. i think the new system looks pretty good. Looks like a full integrated package for time-poor wannabe IMers. All features can be sourced by yourself from different vendors and through plain hard work, but a full one-stop shop is very enticing. If only the delivery is as good as the promise.....hhhhmmmmm...tempting.
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        • Profile picture of the author bethrobinson
          I signed up to the 4.95 trial this morning, got my logins late in the evening (nice and quick), and just canceled after reviewing it all for a couple hours.

          That guitar article was an accurate sample, although the offerings I saw were for different niches. They had some interesting niches and lots of choices, and some articles were written somewhat better, but they were all that stuff as many keywords in as possible kind of thing. Not my preference. I downloaded them, of course, in case I ever have a use for it, but find that unlikely.

          I guess the writer management system will be useful, but not anytime soon.
          AMA is a good service, of course, as others have said in the past, but can be bought standalone.
          The training was fine but nothing exceptional.
          The basic business model can be gleaned from their sales page. There was one tweak to it that I thought was worth the 4.95 of the trial even though it was a reminder of a basic strategy more than anything else.
          I didn't actually try out the affiliate siphon portion but I'd rather go back to paying for Wordpress Direct based on some of the requests for help that I read in the forum.

          It's just not worth paying $147 a month for me. I have much better PLR on my hard drive and training for most of the steps as well.

          If you're a complete newbie (or unfocused and haven't filled up your hard drive yet) then I'd say that this system could work for you if you commit to it. You have what you need to move forward all in one place.

          But I'm outta here. And plrproebooks had SUCH great stuff too....
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  • Profile picture of the author CanuckWarrior
    I'm sort of in the same boat as Pearson. I think they're great guys (especially Daniel). I've been a PLRPro member for years and I've done ok with that service. In fact, I found the niche header graphics one of the best features.

    However, graphics are no longer included in the new uniquely spun service but Marc and Daniel are much more focused now than they ever were with PGB.

    However, if you're just starting out, the montly cost for all their modules is pretty steep (imo). I think noobs (even many non-noobs) would be far better off with Dave Kelly's Super Apprentice.

    Granted SA has absolutely zero hype, is about as exciting as watching paint dry compared to typical IM products (which I actually find refreshing) but it really does work (IF you do the work). It includes everything you'll ever need to make it in internet marketing (except hosting and domains) at a fraction the cost (including a free private buyers network for sites so you don't have to go through the hassle of using Flippa).
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