I, too, got 4 e-mails about this yesterday...and all of them were the EXACT same scripted message (ok, the first line was different) with the EXACT same e-mail title.

I'm also guessing this is also what I paid $9 to receive in the mail from Frank Kern. If it is, then I won't be a happy customer because I already have Core Influence.

I wonder what Amish's "CPA Magic Bullet" System can teach us that can't already be learned on the Warrior Forum or in much cheaper WSOs.

Anyone know anything about this?

It is a 6 week CPA class plus software.

Price: $2,997

Good points it is a cookie cutter email it is one provided for promotional purposes . I always used to get a kick out of them one after the other my friend this and my friend that.

I mean most of the time you know right away they are full of it but some of them get creative. I just unsubscribe from them personally I have better things to do then get in on the "latest and greatest cr@p" It is humorous though:p
-WD

I don't know if I'm mistaken or not. But one thing that made me chuckle was that this was the guy that people were touting as making $100,000 a day in some other promotion a few months ago.

In fact he had done it once maybe twice in the whole year and was actually averaging sales of about $14k a day and about 15% profit after expenses etc...

No slight on the guy himself as he may not have bragged about the 100k a day, but it just goes to show how these whole launches can be exaggerated.

Another interesting observation is how they seem to be positioning this towards the average Joe by suggesting earnings of $200 a day, which is probably more "haveable" for most people.

I have a suggesting, why don't all this so called "Gurus" just use the WSO section and forget about all this emailing and then getting you to opt in again! :-)

Andre

Hmmm yeah great point Sam they do seem to be targeting more "believable amounts" at the average person humouros but sad
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OOOOOOOOO MMYYYYY!! iam sooo happpy that i sawwww this wall!!!!

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guys who cares how much he spends? i figure 50% goes to ads.... but 2.5 mill is A LOT of cash.... especially for an affiliate who just sends traffic and gets paid.

thats a LOT less work than being the merchant.

and who cares if he made 100k just 5 times. thats a huge feat, have you done it even 1 time?

you guys are focusing on the wrong things.

if i'm looking at a course/program, the only thing that matters is can these ppl teach YOU what they do and can you apply it.

thats it.

everything else you guys are rattling off is nonsense guys.... who cares about all that other stuff... and guys you're bitching about being marketed to but you're supposed to be marketers.... thats pretty lame.

if you dont like it unsubscribe and stop whining.

personally i see this and try to learn from it and see what i can take into my marketing.

i was at the live event and i have a 3 ring binder thats probably 3 times as big as ANY other marketing event i've been to in the last 6 years...

lots of the stuff was new to me.... i took a TON of notes... the biggest takeaway i got, aside from specific strategies/tactics was THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

hard to explain unless you were there...

it was one of the BEST marketing events I've been to hands down.

Amish and Jay are the real deal and if the course is half as good as the event was, i'm sure everyone will be very pleased (and make some money).

These guys are the real deal. You can't spend even $100 a day at a loss forever...the idea that someone is spending 1K or 10K a day and can't make a profit is only for big companies going out of business.

Hey,

Anyone saying that he doesn't discuss the ad spend is crazy ... in his example videos, he clearly spells out the ad spent, to the penny. All the videos about the smiley campaign talk about the numbers and are, as I said, down to the penny on profit, ad spend, clicks, keywords, landing pages, you name it.

It's be damn near impossible for him to release any more information on the campaigns without you being there in person, and asking him for some odd stat ...

But, who cares what he's spending? Does it even matter?

If he spent $50,000,000 to make $5,000,000 ... he still made $5,000,000. Or, 10% ...

There's a secret perk of having a high ad-spend though, and that's the fact that you split the spend between as many credit cards as you can get that have rewards and incentive programs. Most of the guys I know with Amex Black cards have them because of their ad spend ... and, they get crazy perks just for using the card. They're also flying everywhere first-class, getting free hotel rooms, show tickets, concierge service, etc, etc, etc ...

And finally, Amish has stated that he started out with a $10.00 ad spend himself ...

Honestly, anyone worrying about the ad-spend can't afford the cost of the program anyway. I'd guess it's going to be at least two grand ... so you should figure on having at least that available on an ad-spend on top of the course.

This is a business people ...

Gary Ambrose

Now its time to think twice what the gurus taught you: list segmentation, relationship nurturing - probably they themselves don't care enough to do that .

and they don't even can't come out a different "whoring" strategy - they just take the straight line for quick bucks.

but wait... the other side of the coin is - you are probably NOT going to purchase through their links anyways, you are not the target buyer, so, it became a number game for them. they won't care if you unsubscribe.

anyways, by being on these lists you can put your pulse on whats happening on the internet - the whoring noise is a small price you have to pay.

as for Amish, a brilliant guy, with creative thinking - being creative is the BEST way to make big bucks in CPA. I personally believe he has something to offer. but the price tag maybe to high for beginners - eventually, no training can get you there except your own actions.

As to the often stated question in connection with big product launches (not only in this thread): "If it is so good, why does he sell it and create competition for himself?":

I don't know Amish, so can't say what his motive is, but I would know one other than fraud (actually nothing else is inferred by these questions).

I had a very successful "system" in a completely different area of life (you could classify it as marketing but not for money) and I could achieve what many wanted but couldn't achieve. I did keep it secret as I didn't want "competition" but on the other hand I had a very hard time to withhold it. I knew telling it would have earned me a lot of recognition if not admiration.

Getting recognition or admiration is a very strong motive and can be stronger than earning more by keeping off potential competition.

If Amish does earn up to a hundredthousand a day, why should he care about competition? One guy in this thread describes him as very creative. Creative people tend to not whine about the scarcity of things so much ("Oh my god! There are only so many potential customers in this niche. If there will be one more competitor I won't make enough money anymore!"). They rather have the confidence that they can always find other ways to make money or other niches.

Per the video Amish developped this system and software already quite some time ago. After having made a lot of money with it, maybe he now is at the point where he doesn't care about even more money so much but rather would like many people rave what a great product he created and how much he helped them with it.

And as an additional answer for these suspicious "if it's so good, why does he sell it"-guys, another question: If Amish became a (multi-)millionaire by honest CPA-marketing (at least it was not yet disputed that he is a honest marketer) why should he go through all this work and fuzz of a big product launch when he doesn't have a honest product to offer?

PS: I guess the inevitable next question by some will be "If he does it for admiration why doesn't he give it away for free?". I suggest you answer this for yourself.

A cpl months ago Amish & I talked about some scripts we use in our biz. I told him about this idea I had that I was developing for myself - to which he replies "We already do it".

That thing was Magic Bullet.

In other wards, GET IT.

The main reason why Amish would be willing to share this system is because the vast majority of people who are going to purchase this can NOT get accepted into most CPA networks. The people purchasing it are just getting started, and are not ready to get in there with the big dogs yet. And guess what? Amish just so happens to run a CPA network, and he WILL accept anyone who purchases into it.

This way, Amish will make money on the back end, and the students will begin to learn CPA marketing with a real CPA network that they can also make actual money in. Once they can get enough experience under their belts, then they can take it to the next level.

It seems that a lot of "internet marketers" have gotten to be very negative in recent years.

I'm always perplexed when I see people who claim to want to be online business people complain about someone's pricing, or immediately think that everyone is a scam artist.

Would you feel the same if you were the one able to command $3,000 for your information? I doubt it. Stay positive and focus on what you CAN do and not what you can't. I realize that $3K is a lot of money for most people. I'm actually not in a position right now to purchase Amish's system right now either. But I'm certainly not going to slam him for being able to command what he's charging for it.

LOL who's that?? (Amish Shah)

Is the 100% refund guarantee legit?
There are a lot of companies that say they have a no hassle refund policy and then give you a load of crap when you actually ask for the refund.

well for the amount of buzz going around the web for Amish's magic bullet system I thought there would be alot more discussion happening here.

I wanted to contribute with 1 pro and 1 con for the magic bullet system.

The first pro I wish to mention, and believe me there are MANY different benefits for this program, but the first one is the covert recon section of the software. Everyone here will be familiar with niche research and competitive analysis, so we're not learning anything new there... but Amish's software has this amazing 'magic' tab that shows demographic information. DUDE, that is gold!!!

So not only can you view if the target audience in that niche is able to spend money on your CPA deal, but it gives you guidance for compiling a customer profile. Once you know your customer, it is MUCH easier to sell to them and offer what they want.

I wish I knew how they get this data, coz I'd love to integrate that into my process for doing research & analysis!

Okay now for the con: this magic bullet software is designed to identify then setup campaigns... campaigns that purchase traffic... which requires a marketing budget. I dont think that critical part is emphasized in the sales video, so although it's not exactly a downside to the software, it definitely is something that people need to consider if they are thinking of buying the magic bullet system. It saves you time on campaigns, if you're already doing large amounts of campaigns... if you setup like one CPA deal per week then you might be better spending your money on traffic, as it wont really save you much time. This is best suited to the big guys with teams of people and large budgets, then they can really leverage the software.

I've written about this on my blog with a post on what everyone needs to know about the magic bullet system. Stop by to read more or leave your comments if you wish

So to conclude... I love what Amish has developed, the offering is great and there is an amazing amount of value in it for just $2997 but think about how it will help you and if you have the dollars to spend on traffic once you buy the software

Actually it looks like a piece of software I would really like to have. But it's only worth about $100 to me.

No need to wait for the "launch". A quick search on Google shows the order link:

https://www.themagicbulletsystem.com/order.php

It is very interesting to see "behind the curtain" of the launch and see the marketing, how the JV partners are doing, what they are saying, etc.

themagicbulletsystem.com - JV Blog

See guys, here's the problem. Now, think just a moment. Really stop and think. If the guy is offering you a program that'll only cost you 3000 but will, and I say, will bring you hundreds of thousands, where's the problem? Should you not grab it in an instant? Of course you should. But most of us know that it isn't that easy. Now, if I could have his undivided attention until I am fluent with his stuff, to make sure all areas are covered, then I would say I'd buy it. But he won't do that. You will be left on your own. And even though he says its all there-it is not. See he built it for himself first, custom made, so he went through trials and tribulations that are only known to him, you know, those unexpected details that can sometimes take weeks, but days for sure, to clear.

Yes, undoubtedly there are some goodies in his program that I would love to have, but not for that kind of money. If I was to buy it, HIS program would tear me apart from MY program(however newbie it may be) and I would have to start all over again. Yes, it is better to spend the 3k on advertising, securing products,(your own and affiliate) content, and learn what is really going on. I am thinking, none of the guys or gals that have been in the business, say more than 5 years will not buy his stuff. Or if they do, not for 3 grand.

Yes, I too, am getting little tired of these gurus, they can talk the talk, but obviously they do not walk the walk. The only place it seems, where they really make money is; form other IM folks like you and me. Ok, this is not entirely true, I know, but consider this, if you actually had that proverbial golden goose, laying eggs day after day, would you really give it to somebody else? No you would not. And don't you guys even start on this, you would not. Not until you start seeing some indication of market place saturation or that other IM folks are catching up with you, and you better off load it while it still brings you money.

And that is the way it is. Otherwise, as business propositions goes, his deal is not bad. If I was in his shoes, I'd probably be doing the same thing. I wish him well on his deal, but I am not buying one.

Does anyone know what exactly this secret software does? For traffic and demographics there are free services like quantcast and alexa.

Personally, I don't think Amish is trying to "off load" this product at all.

I think his primary driver is to build a strong team of affiliates for yMultimedia...so it's in his best interest to train everybody well and provide them with this great software, because he's going to make a lot more money through yMultimedia than he'll ever make by "selling" this product on the front-end.

This launch will also hopefully get a few super-affiliates joining his network. This is where his REAL money will be made.

It's all about long term strategy rather than short term monetary gains.

I've bought it for $3,000.

I'll give an honest review on the Magic Bullet System as soon as I can.

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I don't understand why there is so much fuss about the price. Beside the fact that Amish is recognized as a big success story in the CPA industry, he is delivering a valuable software and six weeks content that offers a time shortcut. Time is money, really. I don't want to spend 3 years learning on my own if I can shorten the learning curve to 6 months, and I am ready to pay for this time shortcut, of course if I can afford the investment.

I would not recommend anybody to pay $2,997 if he never created a CPA campaign or made any money with CPA.

Also, it is about positioning. Can you sell a Ferrari at the same price as a Honda?

Finally, as much money is Amish making through CPA, if he sells 500 copies and cash in $1,500 (the rest goes to JVs) per copy, it means that Amish has an extra $750,000 after 2 days of sales. Who does not want that kind of cashflow?

One more thing... How much does it cost to get a McDonalds franchise?... I still believe that $2,997 is a good investment taking into account the time and the potential return on investment comparing to a McDonalds franchise...

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The software is just a convenience tool, but it wont turn a losing campaign into a profitable one. If you're already profitable in CPA marketing, get it. If you aren't, don't expect any "magic bullet" software to change that.

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Any purchaser can share some feedback on what did you find upon signing up?

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As with all sales " buyer beware" It's up to us to do our research.

Great info from a lot of different perspectives, in the end each of us has to make up our own mind and go with what we believe is right for us.

Keep sharing your experiences and wisdom.

@jjjt I can't tell you how frustrating we find relying on email delivery with autoresponders for product registration and ongoing communication. It's hit and miss at best and annoying to all.

One thing you can certainly count on is that Frank isn't running some shady operation...you'll get an answer soon.

if i paid 3 dimes for that and did not get a reply i would not be to happy.. i sell my own stuff where people loose there minds for 39.99 imagine 3,000$ u would think they would have a proper support staff in place.

@jjjt - yeah, it's not that it takes 2 days...they just never show...happens with aweber, getresponse...seriously...it happens...too often

As for the ticket response...can't say...I know we strive for 1 business day...but do it a LOT quicker...BUT... 1 business day is our critical metric

@jjjt Sorry, Mate!

hang in there...maybe you'll make a ton of cash with Frank's thing here and you'll be laughing that you were ever upset!! :-)

CPA's not my thing, in general ...but people do make a nice buck from it for sure

How long is the guarantee period? This doesn't seem to be stated anywhere.

Thanks.

STILL no emails with user name/password/receipt.
STILL no response to Support Ticket (follow-up message sent)

AND

"Office" telephone number goes straight through to voicemail.

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Frank Kern posted this Will Smith video a few days ago and I think this should be required viewing for every entrepreneur. I hits home on mindset...

http://masscontrolsite.com/blog/?p=67

(Frank's site)

Read my article here: http://www.searchenginepro.net/avoid...shah-products/

I was a customer for both Hexatrack and Google Goggles. Both great tools, but neither work right now.

I'm guessing all energy is going into The Magic Bullet System and his upcoming summit.

My last trouble ticket for Google Goggles was closed twice with no reply to my support request.

For anyone salivating over Amish's products good luck with customer support if you run into any issues.

If you have purchased magic bullet and need to recoup some cash i'm willing to give you 500$ to share access with me. PM me if you are interested.

Hi to all....
I am wondering - does anybody have a copy of squeeze page from magic bullet system?
Really need one, cause lost it on my comp. :-)
thanks

What is his CPA network called?

Course is pretty decent so far IMO.

Still early days though.

I'm going through this at the moment and I'm not seeing anything mind blowing.

It's pretty standard CPA stuff, except they have blogs linked up with UAW or AMA style drip feed systems where you don't have to create content.

I'm still waiting for more access to their modules, but so far it's not that impressive for anyone who has been doing IM for 6 months.

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What are you referring to
(This $750 thing?) is there something additional to buy? Also is this downloadable or do you have to work off their server?
Thanks

Magic Bullet is $797/month for 4 months.

Or 1 payment of $2,997.

I have been going through the modules, the software has been pretty fast so far from what I have seen.

The software will provide powerful information, tracking etc, however users will have to take action and run campaigns with it to make money.

Personally I don't think it is suitable for newbies, I believe more experienced marketers will get far more out of it.

Well I took the plunge, I'll report back when I've seen the s/w and been able to give it a fair chance.

Here's something thats confusing.

In one of Amish's launch videos he promotes MSN's Smileys via Google Adwords and shows how profitable it has been for him. He takes us through his adwords account and shows us which keywords he's bidding on.

However one thing I noticed is that even though his Neverblue account shows how many conversions it has made his Adwords account shows zero conversions. My question is shouldn't he also be tracking his conversions down to the keyword level? Neverblue makes it super easy to track your conversions by simply dropping in your conversion code so it doesn't make sense why he wouldn't do this.

Its either he's doing something that I don't know about or promoting a product that he hasn't actually made any conversions with.

Whats your take on this?

"I remember ordering CPA Ninja back in the summer. The course was very basic , although wordpress direct is a great software and that I would recommend to anybody out there, although now I've seen different spin offs from WPD. I personally feel Marty is a more of a reputable guy than Amish. I orderd hexatrack which just stopped working for no reason.. then i ordered Google goggles which was useless and i did not bite on the magic bullet software due to the fact that they wanted to drag it out for 4-5 weeks . For a newbie it might be worth it but for someone that has an pretty good idea of what is going on.. maybe not.. Then again as per there money back guarantee maybe some of the new stuff they will release will in fact blow you away.... but even it dose.. why would u not still ask for a refund.. something about that money back guarantee makes no sense to me."

This is my point - Amish is talking up a new offer when he can't take care of customers that have bought other products or even respond to trouble tickets. Doesn't matter how good the product or price is if you can't support it.

On another rant - It blows me away with all the other gurus touting the MagicBullet system when they've never even tested it out or can show some real world results. This goes for any product launch. Don't tell the folks to buy into something if you cannot demonstrate that you can make it work.

I've been in the game for a bit and have a pretty heafty PPC spend every day in the mid four digit range.

He should take care of his earlier business customers before he starts this one. He's getting behind with this too.

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Better make sure the software is open so no one can peak at your campaigns.

Sorry to bring this back, but for those who took a bite, any honest review on the
course ? Anyone making BIG money ? Just wondering

This was taken from another thread
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post3479312

Remember that Magic Bullet video where Amish Shah was telling people to promote Smileycentral on Neverblue by making a fake "Download MSN Messenger" landing page?

Well he just got sued. This is just the next of several "gurus" that are gonna get a smackdown for all of their "shenanigans".

http://online.wsj.com/public/resourc...sftcybersq.pdf

On Microsoft and ‘Contributory Cybersquatting’ - Law Blog - WSJ

got sued by microsoft... thats gotta hurt....