Automated Sales Formula

by Bobru
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Just wondering if anyone has seen Keith Wellman's Automated Sales Formula yet...
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  • Profile picture of the author dseisner
    Originally Posted by Bobru View Post

    Just wondering if anyone has seen Keith Wellman's Automated Sales Formula yet...
    Good call, I'm also looking for some reviews. Seems interesting but also a bit expensive and does not have a sales letter (though he claims this converts even better).
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
      Hey all,

      Full Disclosure: I've known Keith since before he had his first successful product online, and have worked closely with him for well over 4 years at this point ... in short, I'm not exactly un-biased.

      All that said, when Keith told me what he was up to about 3 months ago, I honestly didn't know if he'd be able to pull everything off ... not because he's not capable, but because I didn't know if he had the team in place to get things done.

      I've had a look at a few of the pre-release skeleton versions, and the final versions of the Automated Sales Formula, including a couple of the testing accounts he used to determine if they'd actually be profitable for clients, and based on everything I've seen ... he has a winner here.

      Now, all that said ...

      The automated part will only work for the selected niches up until a point because eventually we'll reach a point of saturation ... but, for those willing to do even the most basic of keyword type research, and do a little testing and tracking ... I think they'll continue to see a good return for quite a while.

      Like most things IM related ... the people who make the dough will be the people who put in the work, and Keith's product is no different. Keith includes one traffic method, which is profitable based on his tests, but anyone using only a single method of traffic for the business is sort of a dummy ...

      Basically, he gives you everything you need to get up and rolling, and to get into profit based on the numbers I've seen ... what you do with it after that is of course, up to you.

      Gary Ambrose
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  • Profile picture of the author julie004
    Hello,

    I saw the sales video and sounds to good to be true. I wanted to buy but it would
    be to big a risk for me without money back guarantee. I would have to make the
    purchase price back in a month.

    Good point about the 15 getting saturated. I would think that most people would put
    this into action immediately.

    I'll probably drop back in on this thread for a few days to see if there are more comments.
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    • Profile picture of the author silverbax
      I can't see anything new being offered here. From the sales page, it looks like stuff I'm already doing, and I certainly wouldn't pay as much as the video claims to set this up.
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      • Profile picture of the author jimfurr
        Originally Posted by silverbax View Post

        I can't see anything new being offered here. From the sales page, it looks like stuff I'm already doing, and I certainly wouldn't pay as much as the video claims to set this up.
        If you have all the tools and know-how, I guess you don't need this package.

        However, I feel that $30 each for 15 websites, with squeeze pages, with
        videos, with traffic methods - is a good deal even if they are sort of
        PLR website content. But, as said in the video, you can take this
        model and develop more websites of your own
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        • Profile picture of the author miami
          Well... IMHO it sounds like the same story. I am sure Keith is a great guy and really wants to make everybody millionaires but...

          It is absolutely dead easy automated software blah blah blah

          It is worth hundreds of thousands of dollars but for you... only in the next ten minutes.

          Plus you get all the old videos, recordings, products etc....

          For only....

          How much more time does anyone have to watch all this?

          You can get the same systems, with the squeeze pages (that you can edit) plus the sales pages (with video that you can edit) plus the autoresponders for a hell of a lot less.

          Check my resource links.
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    • Profile picture of the author mpx305
      Originally Posted by julie004 View Post

      Hello,

      I saw the sales video and sounds to good to be true.

      I'll probably drop back in on this thread for a few days to see if there are more comments.
      Agreed, I think I'll do the same.
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      • Profile picture of the author DavidParton
        I have a hard time parting with $500 without a little more information. I,too, will wait for some sincere testimonials from Warriors that have put this system to the test.
        I also would have grabbed it if a payment plan was in place.

        After watching the video I googled "automated sales formula" and found this thread.

        I also found this article from a whiney and disgruntled failed IM-er.

        "I am Sick of Internet Marketers" by Kenny

        I am Sick of Internet Marketers: GoArticles.com

        He says he has been Internet Marketing for 2 years and hasn't made a cent. Which isn't surprising.

        Without even trying he got the #10 spot on Google in 24 hours. he mentions "Automated Sales Formula" only once and "Keith Wellman" twice - that is the extent of his optimisation.

        Experienced Article marketers know that GoArticles ranks well with Google and you can add a lot of links. They also know that when you trash one product you should also recommend something you think it is better and put in the links.

        Kenny has no hyperlinks, not even in his bio box. He has a url to his blog at the end but it is not hyperlinked.

        He doesn't even use the product name in the title, and it obviously was blurted out in a moment of passion.

        So, it appears our friend Kenny still has a way to go in his IM education!

        As this product gains momentum and builds up more buzz, more people will be searching for it and there will be Kenny's article...getting more views and not making him a penny.

        Anyway, this is an opportunity for any seo savvy article marketer to land on that page, too as it obviously doesn't take much to rank right now.

        I look forward to reading more about this product

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        • Profile picture of the author chayil
          Hi David

          Yes...when i googled automated sales formula, warrior forum was in number 2 spot. And Kenny's article was in no. 3 or 4. That was before you posted on WF.

          7-8 hours later after my sleep...came back and check...many more results. But kenny's article was no longer in google top 10.

          i also wondered how his article got 1st page ranking.
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  • Profile picture of the author mentorondemand
    Personally I just really like his video sale
    page. Outside of IM this form of sales
    letter really goes over amazing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Woody C
      Originally Posted by mentorondemand View Post

      Personally I just really like his video sale
      page. Outside of IM this form of sales
      letter really goes over amazing.
      In my opinion, Gary and Keith are the best at video sales pages. If you really want to learn how to do them, just watch how they do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author FastCash4You
    I got an email for this earlier today and I watched the sales video. I didn't buy it. The price seemed high!
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  • Profile picture of the author seriousmny
    I was looking at this myself and wondering what the average cost of something like this is. I must admit I procrastinate when it comes to technical things a lot and just the sheer fact that someone else has it already done would help me out a lot.

    Speaking honestly, I don't think I would ever finish all the fine details needed to set something like this up, due to daily time constraints, so I was willing to eat the cost just to get started and have a finished product. I see someone mentioned there are cheaper systems out here that do the same thing. Would you mind PMing me to tell me what they are by name so I can do some due diligence? I would greatly appreciate it.
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  • Profile picture of the author terryd
    The video was certainly a big talk up with the thousands of dollars worth of products being thrown in.

    Although I am tempted I really don't want to part with that much money but if there was a monthly payment option then I really might have taken the bait!
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    • Profile picture of the author CraigX
      I bought the Automated Sales Formula this morning around 10:30 AM and as of right now I still haven't got to see a site yet and its 11:26 PM. One thing that got me concerned is in the sales video he states that if you purchase in the next 10 minutes you get the software but after buying I found out you have to buy the hosting for $29 month to have access to the software which in the sales video which I went back and watched again clearly states if you act within the next 10 minutes you get the software. Right now I'm having serious buyers remorse but hope that it turns out to be as good as it sounded in the sales video.
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      • Profile picture of the author terryd
        Originally Posted by CraigX View Post

        I bought the Automated Sales Formula this morning around 10:30 AM and as of right now I still haven't got to see a site yet and its 11:26 PM. One thing that got me concerned is in the sales video he states that if you purchase in the next 10 minutes you get the software but after buying I found out you have to buy the hosting for $29 month to have access to the software which in the sales video which I went back and watched again clearly states if you act within the next 10 minutes you get the software. Right now I'm having serious buyers remorse but hope that it turns out to be as good as it sounded in the sales video.
        As long as you put it on the plastic you should be ok!
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      • Profile picture of the author mike5941
        Originally Posted by CraigX View Post

        I bought the Automated Sales Formula this morning around 10:30 AM and as of right now I still haven't got to see a site yet and its 11:26 PM. One thing that got me concerned is in the sales video he states that if you purchase in the next 10 minutes you get the software but after buying I found out you have to buy the hosting for $29 month to have access to the software which in the sales video which I went back and watched again clearly states if you act within the next 10 minutes you get the software. Right now I'm having serious buyers remorse but hope that it turns out to be as good as it sounded in the sales video.

        Didn't the video also clearly state...You don't need to buy anything else?
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      • Profile picture of the author pixiedust
        Originally Posted by CraigX View Post

        I bought the Automated Sales Formula this morning around 10:30 AM and as of right now I still haven't got to see a site yet and its 11:26 PM. One thing that got me concerned is in the sales video he states that if you purchase in the next 10 minutes you get the software but after buying I found out you have to buy the hosting for $29 month to have access to the software which in the sales video which I went back and watched again clearly states if you act within the next 10 minutes you get the software. Right now I'm having serious buyers remorse but hope that it turns out to be as good as it sounded in the sales video.

        Hi Craig: I was wondering if you have an update about the Automated Sales Formula. I just saw the video sales page and I was considering buying it. I easily get caught up in the hype of things and often regret some of my purchases. So any feedback you can give me would be greatly appreciated. :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author Bobru
        Originally Posted by CraigX View Post

        I bought the Automated Sales Formula this morning around 10:30 AM and as of right now I still haven't got to see a site yet and its 11:26 PM. One thing that got me concerned is in the sales video he states that if you purchase in the next 10 minutes you get the software but after buying I found out you have to buy the hosting for $29 month to have access to the software which in the sales video which I went back and watched again clearly states if you act within the next 10 minutes you get the software. Right now I'm having serious buyers remorse but hope that it turns out to be as good as it sounded in the sales video.
        The Oh yeah, by the way $29/mo thing raises red flags to me. I also heard him say the price included the software, and that you didn't need to buy anything else. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out...
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        • Profile picture of the author bhackett
          Thanks for the information about Keith's latest offering. I almost put down the $500 and am glad I didn't at least for now.
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      • Profile picture of the author CraigX
        Originally Posted by CraigX View Post

        I bought the Automated Sales Formula this morning around 10:30 AM and as of right now I still haven't got to see a site yet and its 11:26 PM. One thing that got me concerned is in the sales video he states that if you purchase in the next 10 minutes you get the software but after buying I found out you have to buy the hosting for $29 month to have access to the software which in the sales video which I went back and watched again clearly states if you act within the next 10 minutes you get the software. Right now I'm having serious buyers remorse but hope that it turns out to be as good as it sounded in the sales video.

        I will keep everyone posted on how this works out.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve Iser
          Originally Posted by CraigX View Post

          I will keep everyone posted on how this works out.
          Isn't there a support center? help@automatedsalesformula.com
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          • Profile picture of the author EverydayWealth
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            Hey guys Keith Wellman here. Thought I'd chime in... hopefully the moderator that kept banning me is no longer here :-)

            help AT automatedsalesformula DOT com is the support for getting the website stuff up and running if you're having issues.

            CraigX and Nicholas if you could email me personally at easysalesformula AT gmail DOT com I'd like to find out what problems you ran into so that we can make sure there's no issues for others.

            I saw a couple things that I should respond to as well...

            The $29/month option is for us to put it on a hosting account and buy the domain for you. It's optional and can be done without that with a free site which we also show people how to do but it's way more technical and honestly, using our option IS the fastest and quickest way.

            Also, our support site is always accesable through justaskkeith.com or replying to my broadcast emails or for Warriors - my personal email address which is easysalesformula AT gmail DOT com :-)

            Don't hesitate to ask me questions on the product, using sales videos, whatever, I like to help so even if you can't afford the product, I'm more than happy to help do what I can. Just keep in mind I'm a bit busy during this product release helping customers.

            Obviously this isn't the place for me to sell my own product so all I can say is that I put a lot into this. A lot. A lot of time and a lot of money. I have a very big goal to help 1,000 people go full time online this year and it's going to take a lot of work and REALLY good products. This product should get me to my goal and if you're wondering, it's worth every penny but I'm biased :-)

            If there's any questions on video marketing, the product, or what ever, feel free to ask me if you want me to chime in... assuming I don't get banned :-)

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            • Profile picture of the author Baselstm
              Hi Keith

              If i have my own hosting site will i still have to purchase your own as one person mentioned he had to purchase the software and also would i still get the software bonuses too? Please pm me on that.ALso are you offering it to affiliates to promote?

              Cheers

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              • Profile picture of the author Zodiac108
                Well, this is off putting.

                Elisha comes across and sincere and hard working, but as much as I would like to try the product I can't bring myself to do so after reading this entire thread.

                :confused: A confused mind makes no decision and I guess that is me.
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
              Originally Posted by EverydayWealth View Post


              The $29/month option is for us to put it on a hosting account and buy the domain for you. It's optional and can be done without that with a free site which we also show people how to do but it's way more technical and honestly, using our option IS the fastest and quickest way.
              Hi,



              I know Keith isn't around to answer questions, and I understand why...

              ...but I would appreciate if Gary Ambrose, or anyone else on the "inside" of Keith's product would answer the following:

              Can I host and use this product myself...?

              I can see huge value in 15 ready to go websites...with decent video sales letters...but not if the hosting is part of the deal.

              1) I don't need hosting
              2) If I'm paying this cash, I want to at least OWN these sites...which if I'm self hosting, I will be...

              Managed hosting is a cool option, but it shouldn't be a requirement...

              And I think Keith has said it's not required...

              I don't much care for grudge matches, the past is just that...I just want the offer you offered, if it's still on offer

              As long as the terms are as stated.

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              • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
                Originally Posted by Steven Fullman View Post

                Hi,



                I know Keith isn't around to answer questions, and I understand why...

                ...but I would appreciate if Gary Ambrose, or anyone else on the "inside" of Keith's product would answer the following:

                Can I host and use this product myself...?
                The answer to that is yes, of course you can ...

                Originally Posted by Steven Fullman View Post

                I can see huge value in 15 ready to go websites...with decent video sales letters...but not if the hosting is part of the deal.

                1) I don't need hosting
                2) If I'm paying this cash, I want to at least OWN these sites...which if I'm self hosting, I will be...

                Managed hosting is a cool option, but it shouldn't be a requirement...

                And I think Keith has said it's not required...
                That's exactly the deal ... if you want the sites setup for you, in an automated fashion, then you can go with the hosting option. They'll host the sites, and set them up for you if you go that route.

                Originally Posted by Steven Fullman View Post

                I don't much care for grudge matches, the past is just that...I just want the offer you offered, if it's still on offer

                As long as the terms are as stated.

                Kind regards,
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                It's available for about another 24 hours or so I believe ... maybe Tuesday at the latest if I'm not mistaken. Haven't talked to Keith in a couple days, but last we talked, he was saying Monday or Tuesday.

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                • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
                  Originally Posted by Gary_The_Ace View Post

                  The answer to that is yes, of course you can ...



                  That's exactly the deal ... if you want the sites setup for you, in an automated fashion, then you can go with the hosting option. They'll host the sites, and set them up for you if you go that route.



                  It's available for about another 24 hours or so I believe ... maybe Tuesday at the latest if I'm not mistaken. Haven't talked to Keith in a couple days, but last we talked, he was saying Monday or Tuesday.

                  Gary
                  Thanks for dropping by for the clarification, Gary.

                  Much appreciated.

                  Kind regards,
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      • Profile picture of the author searchnology
        Ahh...this is really a monthly hosting plan offer....nice way to disguise a continuity product!

        Originally Posted by CraigX View Post

        I bought the Automated Sales Formula this morning around 10:30 AM and as of right now I still haven't got to see a site yet and its 11:26 PM. One thing that got me concerned is in the sales video he states that if you purchase in the next 10 minutes you get the software but after buying I found out you have to buy the hosting for $29 month to have access to the software which in the sales video which I went back and watched again clearly states if you act within the next 10 minutes you get the software. Right now I'm having serious buyers remorse but hope that it turns out to be as good as it sounded in the sales video.
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  • Profile picture of the author bminor
    I watched the video, too.

    What I would be most interested in, is, whether this is really a fully automated method.

    Per what I understood the only work you have to do is the 3 hrs setup of the system for each individual site/niche/product.
    And from then on it's really automated with this "Twitter syphoon" and this other automated software he mentions? No regular blog posting, article writing, blog commenting etc. required to get constant traffic to the video page?

    Does anybody have experience with that?

    I rather would ask Keith himself or one of his team but I couldn't find any contact link or support email on his pages.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nicholas William
      I just signed up for Keith's Automated Sales Formula but haven't managed to get instant access as yet. Personally, I think the offer sounds great and I'm really looking forward to learning what he includes on the topic of video marketing.

      Will keep you posted

      ps. isn't it great that alot of people in the community are in the spirit of giving back and helping this year? From Mike and Franks giveaways to everything else going on, it really is a great time to be in learning mode.
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    • Profile picture of the author ianKmcallister
      Originally Posted by bminor View Post

      I watched the video, too.

      What I would be most interested in, is, whether this is really a fully automated method.

      Per what I understood the only work you have to do is the 3 hrs setup of the system for each individual site/niche/product.
      And from then on it's really automated with this "Twitter syphoon" and this other automated software he mentions? No regular blog posting, article writing, blog commenting etc. required to get constant traffic to the video page?

      Does anybody have experience with that?

      I rather would ask Keith himself or one of his team but I couldn't find any contact link or support email on his pages.
      The Twitter syphon is just another part of the scam.

      You have to take out say 45 accounts to cover the 15 websites, then write 100 tweets each day for each of the 45 accounts (imagine writing four thousand five hundreds bits of inanity each day)
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      • Profile picture of the author MJThompson
        Originally Posted by ianKmcallister View Post

        The Twitter syphon is just another part of the scam.

        You have to take out say 45 accounts to cover the 15 websites, then write 100 tweets each day for each of the 45 accounts (imagine writing four thousand five hundreds bits of inanity each day)
        I have sent a certified letter by registered mail to Keith Wellman, to personally protest my situatiion. I sent it to the corporate address listed on his Domain Registration. Since there is NO OTHER contact info given, and the support ticket option has failed, I feel forced to this action. I will post results after Kieth hopefully replies.
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  • Profile picture of the author B3n
    The Warrior Forum isn't Keith's favorite place as he has now been banned from this forum THREE times over the last couple of years.

    As for Keith's latest product, it sounds remarkably like a couple of his other products. It sounds especially like his "Auto Pilot" product which caused a huge storm in 2008 due his extremely poor customer service.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...you-think.html

    Keith's company is notoriously difficult to contact - especially, it seems, if you want to cancel a forced continuity membership!

    http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...lp-please.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...h-wellman.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...need-help.html

    For the best reviews of Keith Wellman products, go to RipOffReport.com and search for his name.

    I realise that many people on here think that RipOffReport is a load of tosh but I think you have to admit that a marketer with dozens of complaints, as Keith has, is obviously doing something very, very wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Iser
      Originally Posted by B3n View Post

      The Warrior Forum isn't Keith's favorite place as he has now been banned from this forum THREE times over the last couple of years.

      As for Keith's latest product, it sounds remarkably like a couple of his other products. It sounds especially like his "Auto Pilot" product which caused a huge storm in 2008 due his extremely poor customer service.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...you-think.html

      Keith's company is notoriously difficult to contact - especially, it seems, if you want to cancel a forced continuity membership!

      http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...lp-please.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...h-wellman.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...need-help.html

      For the best reviews of Keith Wellman products, go to RipOffReport.com and search for his name.

      I realise that many people on here think that RipOffReport is a load of tosh but I think you have to admit that a marketer with dozens of complaints, as Keith has, is obviously doing something very, very wrong.
      Yeah apparantly there's some moderator dude who likes to ban Keith for no apparant reason.

      Apparantly that's how the story goes.

      On a side note, the offer is good. Keith's a genuine person.

      Take that to note.

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  • Profile picture of the author chayil
    I was actually very very tempted to whip out my cc to buy the very next minute. But i just had to google it to find more info.

    There's no mention of any money back guarantee. But the order page does have a 100% satisfaction, no risk kind of stuff. I'm protected by his 100% money back guarantee. but it doesn't say how many days.

    Another thing that makes me think more is.....are the niches going to be the same for all customers?? Is the content going to be unique? If his goal is to make 1000 millionaires...hopefully thru this program, then is he making sure that the niches are unique to every customer?

    In my opinion, i think only a certain number of niches can be similar for customers. If all niches are similar for all customers, then the customers are competing each other with the same techniques that Keith suppose to teach. If there are several niches enough to be given 15 each for the 1000 customers at least, then competition will be at a healthy level with other affiliates. So at least there should be a 100 different niches to be spread out among all customers. Maybe i'm wrong here, but if i see all customers having the same 15 niches, I'm seeing very little value here.

    Even so...i'm quite tickled by the twitter software. hmmm.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pauli7143
    I was wondering about the lenght of the guantee myself, I'll be waiting here to see if Kieth will come back and answer.

    And I was wondering about the niches and 1000 people also, maybe we'll get an answer
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  • Profile picture of the author elishahong
    I am an active user of Keith Wellman's Easy Sales Formula, I've created and profited from many of the sales videos with his video skinning method and by the time you're done reading this, I hope it'll help you. I've made quite a number of videos ever since and have become better at it.

    It was June 29th, 2009.. I've already received numerous emails about the Easy Sales Formula and there was a call in the morning. I quickly signed up for it and listened to the call. I knew about this sales formula way before it was launched to the public in May when there was a paid workshop.

    Watching Keith present his presentation with a small group of about 20 people, I was amazed at the way the system was structured and it was something that I have been looking for, a structured way to sell using videos. But it wasn't the full thing but I was excited.

    At launch day June 30th, I bought the program and within a day after I purchased it, I took action (I listened to the first two or three modules and immediately took some notes.) Technically, I used about 30% of his videos. More information and proof below.

    The formula was easy to understand, structured and straight forward, it includes one of the strategies that most internet marketing "consumers" would generally be complaining about - the "Price Drop" formula. (The It's Not Going To Be $10k,$5k, etc) This single module plays an important role in selling, it builds anticipation and excitement, that's the psychology behind it. Does it work? You bet it does! This is just one of the modules within the sold-out Easy Sales Formula.

    I tested two of my sales videos. One with the price drop and another without and the one with it converted better than the one without. Just not implementing a single module made a huge difference!

    So, did I make money with this Video Skinning formula? YES. How much? Over the past year after the ESF launch, at least $9000 in sales for various niches and services that I launched. Surely everyone by now wants to see some proof. There's no way I could put together all the checks, screenshots and websites and reveal everything (look at sig)..that's not the point. The point is that the Easy Sales Formula video skinning method is a "Formula" , a "Structured System" put together for maximum conversions to close sales either as an affiliate or product vendor.

    If you were ever in sales, you were trained how to build rapport, emphasize benefits, ask for the sale and get the prospect to become a paying customer. It's not that simple but that's really it, getting a person to buy. I am not from a sales background but for self improvement I read Brian Tracy's The Psychology of Selling and other books that mentioned steps to sell. Those old books out there teach the fundamentals of selling that is now adapted for online usage. Keith was the one who was able to put that information together and make it easy for people to learn.

    What did I do? How did I do it? Believe me..it had nothing to do with PPC, not even a list. Read on.

    Here's the shocking truth, when I had the opportunity to attend the Easy Sales Formula Live event, I did a quick survey personally on top of the question that Keith asked, "How Many People Used The Easy Sales Formula?" There were quite a few hands that went up but there were some who didn't as well. So I asked a member and asked how he did with the program and he told me that he did nothing with it.

    That's why I think the ready made videos the "Automated Sales Formula" is a huge improvement and advantage because there are truly no excuses not to make money with this system now.

    And now, some complimentary content for those who are still at the edge of deciding whether this program is right for you.

    I'll walk through some of the steps to create the videos and with the time that I spent on creating one. I'm a tech person so I do have a slight advantage over but it doesn't mean anything since the Easy Sales Formula came with the software to create videos as well.

    Feel free to use this information for your own profits, I'm doing this just to tell you how much the ESF has helped me and I know that the Automated Sales Formula will do the same. The strategies that I share below reflects on the strategies that I have learned from Keith and from personal experience.

    By the way, I've given away this exact formula to people and strangely most people don't take action on it although it's a gold mine..maybe since it's free the value drops? I don't know but for real..how many really take action on this?

    Step 1: Choose A Product To Promote When A Guru Emails (10-20 Minutes)

    You get emails everyday..I'm sure you'll be able to find one.

    Identifying a product is simple. In fact here's the ONE tactic that I use all the time here when I want make some quick cash. "Guru Emails". Most people on a guru's list are pre-sold if the gurus did a good job with it. You can tell when you read their emails.

    This strategy for most people is known as the guru launch formula, affiliate launch formula, whatever you name it etc.

    It is most likely that the gurus have a list of over a thousand people and a percentage of those will look for product reviews, bonuses, scams etc.. or land here at the Warrior Forum.

    Next, I suggest that you purchase the product for BEST and maximum effect, if not get a quick review copy. It's easy to get a review copy, just ASK for it. I've done it myself and it's usually an email away. Worse come to worse, you'll get a no for an answer. But for the most part vendors will give away their product.

    Step 2: Create Your Video (Strictly Using The ESF Method) This is the "Lite" version (45 Minutes - 2 Hours)

    What you'll need?

    Keynote, Powerpoint, Open Source Powerpoint Software, A 30 Day Camtasia Trial, Camstudio Pro, HyperCam, any screen capture software that you know of.

    The presentation can be in complete text form or with some screen shots of the product. Make sure you get permission. Plain Blue and Black backgrounds are best in my experience. Don't make the presentation fancy. Keep it clean.

    Plan Your Slides With A Beginning, Middle and End

    Beginning: Establish Credibility - Your Name(Add Real Photo If Possible), Why You're Doing This(Reason), Website(Location), Include An Attention Grabbing Statement,How You Intend To Solve This Problem or How Does The Product Solve The Problem, Why They Need It.

    Middle: Establish Benefits - Product Benefits, How It Will Directly Help The Person, How You've Used It Personally, Show Some Proof, Agitate The Problem Slightly, Offer The Complete Solution Through The Product, Offer A Hard To Get Bonus, Irresistible Offer

    End: Establish Price, Call To Action, Agitate Loss If They Don't Get It, Timed Deadline, Price Drop, Offer Help & Support, Buyer Satisfaction, Guarantee - These are psychological triggers that you can implement to get a person to take action. You choose which you are most comfortable with. Be sure that you tell them where to go, mention your affiliate link. The famous /go method after your domain name is suggested. A simple redirect method. If this is too complicated, send me a PM.

    Now, the main meat of the video is done, you have to "render","produce" the video, rendering on Camtasia takes about 8-20 minutes depending on the speed of your computer and the length of your video. My experience with 12 minute videos are that it takes about 15 minutes to render on a 3GB laptop. Grab a cup of coffee, watch TV while waiting.

    Setting all this up takes quick thinking and can take a person hours to do if they are just starting. I've been able to do things more quickly ever since I had more practice.

    Finally, uploading it via FTP, takes about another 10-20 minutes depending on the speed of your internet connection. Connecting it with a domain name, hosting etc is another matter altogether.

    Total time needed to complete one Easy Sales Formula video, from 2-3 hours if everything goes smoothly. At the most 4 hours unless you keep perfecting the video. I have a video with a ton of errors on it and it still converts today. Too afraid to make any changes since it's making me money.

    Step 3: Getting Traffic (People Who Are Pre-Sold or Other Prospects)

    The popular methods that are used nowadays for MAXIMUM rankings are:

    Social Bookmarking sites:

    Two of which I know ranks pretty quickly and also easily outranked by competitors - namely:

    1. Mixx
    2. Digg

    Keyword Rich Domain Names (Super Targeted Keywords That Contains The Product Name)
    productnamereview + bonus + other letter variations + s,ed,x,

    Domain name extensions that rank highly on Google, marketers will love this when implemented (In Sequence after the .com name becomes less effective

    1. .org
    2. .net
    3. .us
    4. .com

    For Yahoo, a .info domain name ranks highly easily as well. Not so much for Google unless the search volume is under 200k searches or have a ton of backlinks pointing towards the domain name.

    Depending on the volume of sites out there, usually the domain .com will become less effective after all the affiliates buy variations of the .com domains for the product names. There are a few marketers who are now resorting to this quick domain extension "fix".

    Article Sites That Rank Quickly and Outranks Quickly Because Many Affiliate Marketers Use These Strategies, More Competitive Nowadays: (Remember to use ProductNameReview Keywords For ALL)

    GoArticles,Squidoo,Hubpages,Press Release Sites PRLog

    -If you know Howie Schwartz, he's a real pro at locating Web 2.0 Properties, high ranking sites that gets you free organic traffic. You can get some ideas if you follow him.

    Video Sites That Rank Quickly and Outranks Quickly:

    YouTube,Viddler, Use TubeMogul whenever possible.

    Finally "Pinging" - Do You Ping?
    Pingomatic
    Pingoat

    Yes, you must Ping your site,articles so that the search engines know that your content is up to date!

    And of course, remember the Warrior Forum and other forums - Inserting your signature.

    Total time to submit and post to all sites, easily an hour to two hours after creating new accounts and doing things the manual way. There are ways to automated this process and even if the tools exist, the methods I have revealed here are sufficient for you to get some basic traffic.

    Step 5: Finally, Self-Analysis , Testing etc.

    Be sure to install Analytics and any other tracking devices.

    If your offer, bonus and product is interesting(solves the problem,strikes a chord with the person), people will buy from you, even if they don't really know you personally. Otherwise, you can expect that the sales formula to not convert. When the video doesn't convert, ask questions, study what went wrong and test test test. Keep making videos and improve on it till it converts. I have had videos that totally flunk on me and videos that just converts.

    Wow..now that's a lot of work indeed. That's taking action, the small steps that lead to the completion of a sales message that is distributed online for people to read,watch,listen and finally decide to buy if it is for them.

    So once again, that's why I think the Automated Sales Formula can save people so much more time and the hours of creating those videos and worrying if it's perfect or not.

    I hope you have found this post useful. It's a culmination of my best kept strategies that I use on a regular basis that makes me money. Feel free to doubt my methods but it's your call..and it is all thanks to Keith for sharing many of the tips that helped me. What I share may not be new but if you haven't tried any of the methods I stated or did but didn't do enough repetitions or iterations of it, then try it. As Tony Robbins say - Repetition is the mother of skill. Repetition of a proven system that is..

    Finally, consider this, take action on money making activities. Debating on the forum is not going to bring you anywhere because the forum will "pre-occupy" your thoughts. Especially when you are posting on a forum that receives plenty of feedback, your mind will always want to fall back to that post and you'll end up writing 10 different posts on the thread which can easily accumulate into hours of unproductive time. Mike Filsaime said it once, avoid the "herd" mentality. Think for yourself and what is best for you. It's easier to find an excuse to not take action than to sweat it out.

    Be a leader, grow your business and help more other people achieve their goals in life. Take control of the steering wheel. Read a book called "Think Big" by Ben Carson and Good To Great.

    Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Liptak
      Originally Posted by elishahong View Post

      So, did I make money with this Video Skinning formula? YES. How much? Over the past year after the ESF launch, at least $9000 in sales for various niches and services that I launched. Surely everyone by now wants to see some proof. There's no way I could put together all the checks, screenshots and websites and reveal everything (look at sig)..that's not the point. The point is that the Easy Sales Formula video skinning method is a "Formula" , a "Structured System" put together for maximum conversions to close sales either as an affiliate or product vendor.
      I'll vouch for Elisha. He is the real deal and wouldn't mislead anyone. I had the pleasure of meeting him at a few live events and was very impressed with his willingness to take action!

      Later,
      Dan
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      • Profile picture of the author Teriss
        Why do are all internet marketing guru's copying each other, it makes for boring redundancy and no one likes boring. Nothing here I haven't heard before in exactly the same way, with not one shred of proof =no guarantees and no sales. Sure well have a couple of hundred people running around with "cookie cutter" websites that are all identical and useless.
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        • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
          Originally Posted by Teriss View Post

          Why do are all internet marketing guru's copying each other, it makes for boring redundancy and no one likes boring. Nothing here I haven't heard before in exactly the same way, with not one shred of proof =no guarantees and no sales. Sure well have a couple of hundred people running around with "cookie cutter" websites that are all identical and useless.
          So a couple hundred people have similar websites ... and that makes the sites useless? Hmmmm...

          That's really bad news for affiliate marketing then, because as far as I know, thousands of people are promoting the exact same website ( the affiliate site ), and apparently, that's a totally useless plan ...

          When you get your ClickBank hoplink, the fact that all those links point to the same website apparently makes all of those links totally useless, and oh good god, you're not guaranteed to sell anything either!

          EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!! AFFILIATE MARKETING IS DOOMED!!!!!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!

          I mean, there's no way possible for a few hundred people to make sales on the same product ... right? That's impossible. I've never heard of anything like that happening before.

          More than one person using the same website to sell something ... you're right, it's probably useless.

          - Gary

          /obvious sarcasm tag

          ... just in case anyone was dumb enough to take this post seriously.
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          • Profile picture of the author A Bary
            People will never learn??

            Every now and then, Wellman come out with the same crap, and got people on the forum talking about how great he is (most probably this is Keith himself as he is permanently banned from the forum)

            People, for GOD SAKE, THIS GUY IS PERMANENTLY BANNED FROM THE WARRIOR FORUM AFTER HIS VERY FIRST CRAPPY SCAM 3 YEARS AGO..

            I think no other marketer has been discussed as him, search the forum and you will find what I am talking about
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          • Profile picture of the author B3n
            Originally Posted by Gary_The_Ace View Post

            So a couple hundred people have similar websites ... and that makes the sites useless? Hmmmm...
            No, Gary, that's not what is being offered here. What Keith is doing is giving a couple of hundred people (assuming he sells that many which I doubt) the EXACT SAME set of 15 videos to go out and promote certain products via an affiliate link.

            Would you use the exact same video as countless others to try and promote a product? Of course you wouldn't, there's zero chance you would use the same video as somebody else, it's not a good idea.

            If Keith manages to sell a lot of these then the videos will quickly become useless as they are uploaded to hundreds of site and pushed via Twitter etc.

            Feel free to call someone else 'dumb' but, sarcasm aside, you completely misunderstood the point being made here.

            Plus, you're Keith's best buddy so you aren't likely to be independent.

            Leaving aside Keith's very dodgy past, there's no guarantee attached to this so-called product so I would never, ever recommend anyone buys it.
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            • Profile picture of the author A Bary
              There's a membership site called "pre sales video", that offers a collection of affiliate products videos for a dirt cheap subscription...

              is there a chance that these collection of videos keith sells, are part of these videos???
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              • Profile picture of the author EverydayWealth
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                Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

                There's a membership site called "pre sales video", that offers a collection of affiliate products videos for a dirt cheap subscription...

                is there a chance that these collection of videos keith sells, are part of these videos???

                No not at all. Everything in this was created from scratch by us (with the exception of the actual affiliate products of course :-)
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                • Profile picture of the author A Bary
                  Originally Posted by EverydayWealth View Post

                  No not at all. Everything in this was created from scratch by us (with the exception of the actual affiliate products of course :-)
                  Keith Man...

                  I have just one question for you...

                  What nerve you have to show up again in this forum??

                  I am really amazed with your ability to show up in a community you know well has hundreds of people you simply scammed?

                  And I hope you're grown enough not to just push your usual defends, you know well what I am talking about, or you need someone to remind you about your previous disasters?

                  What is ironic is that you're wondering why you get banned all the time from the forum..:confused:

                  Really, one life is not enough to see every thing
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            • Profile picture of the author chayil
              Well said...B3n. That was exactly my concern. The same niches with the same content. I think same niches can still be acceptable. But the content must be different for all customers. Better still different niches for several customers...but with some overlapping niches is still fine as long as content he delivers is different.

              If Keith has to give different content...it's a lot of work. For that price it's still reasonable. But if the content is the same, then it's questionable.

              It makes me wonder if what he claims in his video is all true...that he used to be down and out with his lousy job and soo on.....bla bla bla.

              In my opinion...if someone really is in that situation, got out of it and really want to help others get out of it...then he/she must be sincere in doing so...with a more reasonable price tag...and some credibility. If Keith is really sincere in helping others, he wouldn't have chalked up so much -ve ratings about him. Perhaps he got out of his nasty situation by earning this type of money from others.
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            • Profile picture of the author MCDavies
              I was kind of surprised that this doesn't come with any kind of money back guarantee.

              It seems like this type of product is targeted to the new people that aren't willing to put any amount of effort in building a real online business.

              I hope those that paid for this will get their return on investment. At least use this as an important lesson.
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            • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
              Originally Posted by B3n View Post

              No, Gary, that's not what is being offered here. What Keith is doing is giving a couple of hundred people (assuming he sells that many which I doubt) the EXACT SAME set of 15 videos to go out and promote certain products via an affiliate link.

              Would you use the exact same video as countless others to try and promote a product? Of course you wouldn't, there's zero chance you would use the same video as somebody else, it's not a good idea.
              That might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard ... well, for today anyway.

              If I'm promoting ANYTHING through an affiliate link, I'm getting the same sales page, and same sales video as all the other affiliates promoting that same product.

              What you're saying would essentially mean that affiliate marketing is dead.

              To be 100% clear. In any affiliate program, ALL AFFILIATES ARE PROMOTING THE SAME PAGE. That means that in most cases, hundreds, if not thousands, or even 10's of thousands of people are using the same page or video to promote an offer.

              Originally Posted by B3n View Post

              If Keith manages to sell a lot of these then the videos will quickly become useless as they are uploaded to hundreds of site and pushed via Twitter etc.

              Feel free to call someone else 'dumb' but, sarcasm aside, you completely misunderstood the point being made here.

              Plus, you're Keith's best buddy so you aren't likely to be independent.

              Leaving aside Keith's very dodgy past, there's no guarantee attached to this so-called product so I would never, ever recommend anyone buys it.
              Keith's "dodgy past" was the result of his business growing at a pace that he didn't have the staff to handle ... and, by Keith's own admission, he wasn't ready for that many customers so fast.

              Were their support issues? Absolutely ... no question. Were there problems with delivery? Again, absolutely ... he didn't have the right people, or enough people in house to deal with so many customers, and he suffered greatly as a result.

              It's a good problem to have, but a problem none the less. And, as was mentioned by others in this thread, that was almost three years ago ... and without giving out Keith's numbers, I can tell you that his business has grown each year and he's had no major issues that I'm aware of.

              But I guess if you have one problem, you should be assumed to be a bad person for life ... at least that's what I'm getting from this thread.

              Mess up once, and you're instantly a deadbeat for life ...

              Is that what you're saying?

              As for your post about the videos becoming useless if too many people have them ... let's get honest for a minute.

              Let's say that 1,000 people buy the product. You can instantly assume that 900 of those people won't ever do a damn thing with the videos ... they might watch a few of them themselves, but they won't send more than 1,000 visitors to the lot of them.

              So you're left with 100 people who might send some traffic to the videos ... are you really saying that those 100 people are going to saturate the entire internet to the degree that none of those videos will sell anymore?

              If you say yes ... you're wrong, but let's assume that you're going to say yes for the sake of arguement.

              So let's say that those 100 people drive every available visitor online right now to one of those videos ... there would be 1,500 videos in circulation because there are 100 people each with 15 videos.

              Let's assume the IM space is small, with only 15,000,000 people in the whole thing worldwide, and that no one new will ever entire IM again, or want to find a way to make money online ever again ... ( um, yeah, likely right? ) That would mean that each video could be seen ONLY 10,000 times for each person promoting the videos, for each video before it's totally saturated.

              Assuming a close rate of 1% on each video, for 10,000 views per video, per person, that would mean that each person would only make 100 sales for each of their 15 videos ... or only 1,500 sales each.

              After that, I guess the videos are dead ... which I guess means that the cost of Keith's product wasn't worthwhile? 1,500 sales, and the list you'd end up with as a result surely wouldn't result in you re-couping your money. No way, right?

              And as for me being good buddies with Keith, I said that from my first post here ... it's no secret. Believe it or not, I stayed good buddies with him even after he had some problems in his business three years ago ... I guess I shouldn't have done that, I mean, after all, if you make a mistake once, you're a horrible person forever.

              Gary Ambrose
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              • Profile picture of the author Ashley Parker
                Originally Posted by Gary_The_Ace View Post

                That might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard ... well, for today anyway.

                If I'm promoting ANYTHING through an affiliate link, I'm getting the same sales page, and same sales video as all the other affiliates promoting that same product.

                What you're saying would essentially mean that affiliate marketing is dead.

                To be 100% clear. In any affiliate program, ALL AFFILIATES ARE PROMOTING THE SAME PAGE. That means that in most cases, hundreds, if not thousands, or even 10's of thousands of people are using the same page or video to promote an offer.



                Keith's "dodgy past" was the result of his business growing at a pace that he didn't have the staff to handle ... and, by Keith's own admission, he wasn't ready for that many customers so fast.

                Were their support issues? Absolutely ... no question. Were there problems with delivery? Again, absolutely ... he didn't have the right people, or enough people in house to deal with so many customers, and he suffered greatly as a result.

                It's a good problem to have, but a problem none the less. And, as was mentioned by others in this thread, that was almost three years ago ... and without giving out Keith's numbers, I can tell you that his business has grown each year and he's had no major issues that I'm aware of.

                But I guess if you have one problem, you should be assumed to be a bad person for life ... at least that's what I'm getting from this thread.

                Mess up once, and you're instantly a deadbeat for life ...

                Is that what you're saying?

                As for your post about the videos becoming useless if too many people have them ... let's get honest for a minute.

                Let's say that 1,000 people buy the product. You can instantly assume that 900 of those people won't ever do a damn thing with the videos ... they might watch a few of them themselves, but they won't send more than 1,000 visitors to the lot of them.

                So you're left with 100 people who might send some traffic to the videos ... are you really saying that those 100 people are going to saturate the entire internet to the degree that none of those videos will sell anymore?

                If you say yes ... you're wrong, but let's assume that you're going to say yes for the sake of arguement.

                So let's say that those 100 people drive every available visitor online right now to one of those videos ... there would be 1,500 videos in circulation because there are 100 people each with 15 videos.

                Let's assume the IM space is small, with only 15,000,000 people in the whole thing worldwide, and that no one new will ever entire IM again, or want to find a way to make money online ever again ... ( um, yeah, likely right? ) That would mean that each video could be seen ONLY 10,000 times for each person promoting the videos, for each video before it's totally saturated.

                Assuming a close rate of 1% on each video, for 10,000 views per video, per person, that would mean that each person would only make 100 sales for each of their 15 videos ... or only 1,500 sales each.

                After that, I guess the videos are dead ... which I guess means that the cost of Keith's product wasn't worthwhile? 1,500 sales, and the list you'd end up with as a result surely wouldn't result in you re-couping your money. No way, right?

                And as for me being good buddies with Keith, I said that from my first post here ... it's no secret. Believe it or not, I stayed good buddies with him even after he had some problems in his business three years ago ... I guess I shouldn't have done that, I mean, after all, if you make a mistake once, you're a horrible person forever.

                Gary Ambrose
                Interesting that someone should use an excuse of business growing too fast. Maybe poor planning would be a better excuse, if one is needed.
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    • Profile picture of the author maverick4u
      Elishahong said: "Finally, uploading it via FTP, takes about another 10-20 minutes depending on the speed of your internet connection. Connecting it with a domain name, hosting etc is another matter altogether."

      So you have to self host these sales videos? Wouldn't that blow the bandwidth away on my puny shared hosting account? Especially if you have 10-12 of them. Is that because of the cookie dropping?
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  • Profile picture of the author TelegramSam
    If you want to know how to make loads of money online listen very closely...

    I have created a product that costs just $500.

    I will give you a load of stuff for this and throw in a few exclusive bonuses worth over $20,000

    Just click on the big old "I want to help 1000 get rich" button and then enter your payment details and then click on the "It is my life passion to help you" button.

    Then I'll take the $500 and a little bitty payment each month and you will at least have something to look at on the internet. Keep on looking because I want to build a $30 a month relationship with you long term.

    I may have been banned before, a few times, but that was just some click-happy nasty person.

    You can trust me even though there is no mention of a guarantee. Why let that spoil our ongoing monthly relationship?
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    • Profile picture of the author Nicholas William
      *ticket responded and solved*
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      • Profile picture of the author chayil
        Originally Posted by Nicholas William View Post

        over 24 hours later, I still haven't heard back from my support tickets or email.

        The fact that people are giving Keith a good bashing makes me concerned. Partly because I've forked over $500 with no money back guarantee, partly because this was recommended to me by Mike Filsaime.

        I'm still holding my tongue on this one and hoping that Keith comes through with the goods. I wish that I could have gotten started with this already, I'll post back an update 2moro night.
        Hi Nicholas

        I saw the money back logo on the order form...but it's not stated how many days. I also printed a screenshot of the order form with the money back gaurantee in pdf. You can try to access the order page again to see the gaurantee.
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        • Profile picture of the author EverydayWealth
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          In the video I didn't mention a guarantee because I want people who are serious and not just going to purchase and refund. You'll see on the order form there are terms of service at the bottom which state that the guarantee is 72 hours.

          The reason for this is so that anyone can get in, see what's in there, even setup their system and they can get a refund right away if they either don't like what they see or if they purchased in haste. A 30 day guarantee has become the "norm" in IM but certainly devalues products and people take advantage of them.

          What I have is amazing. I don't want anyone taking advantage of it. Also, on everyone getting the same 15 sites...

          Yes, and I made that clear however just as Gary said, that's very little competition. First, not everyone will promote their site (maybe 800 or so), then of that 800 only a small percentage will promote the same product of the 15 at any given time (maybe 200). Secondly, I offer a monthly product giving members 3 sites every month. This is to help change up the offers and give people different products to promote on a regular basis. Some affiliate programs have literally hundreds of thousands of affiliates ALL promoting the same page. I like to keep mine down to a few hundred for maximum effectiveness :-)

          Nicholas, I sent you a personal email this morning and support stayed late in the office (until like 8pm) working overtime to help every customer. Usually we try to keep support answers under 24 hours but it may be up to 42 hrs for a few days.

          Anyways... Elisha good on you for making good money with this system! Sounds like you're the only one here that posted an opinion after USING the system :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author l23bc
    No rant intended but i just watched the video 25 mins ago, and to be all honest the only reason i got involved in internet marketing and other businesses online was to aviod these people who said they do this or do that...with a hefty price tag

    After watching the video i concluded the fact that if it is true good to be true then pehaps it is so the only thing on that conclusion i lost was my constrained time from watching the video. Plus it seemed like a product he did a while ago, i cannot remember what was that called.But i do rememenber alot of people on ripoffreport complaining about the support or some faults.

    anyway, if anyone knows how to unsubcribe from his emails after unsubcription tries 5 times please let me know,

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  • Profile picture of the author B3n
    Well spotted chayil, you're absolutely right - there is some kind of guarantee on the order form:



    So what's the deal Keith? Is there a money back guarantee or not?
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    • Profile picture of the author EverydayWealth
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      Originally Posted by B3n View Post

      Well spotted chayil, you're absolutely right - there is some kind of guarantee on the order form:

      So what's the deal Keith? Is there a money back guarantee or not?
      Yes. 72 hours as per the terms. Long enough for anyone to go in, setup the system, and see traffic coming to their sites (all of which takes only hours). I'm sure you'll disagree and tell me all about how I should have at least 30 days but it's what I feel comfortable with knowing what this system is valued at :-)

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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    I think you'll find that Keith has had his just reward.

    Pearson
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    • Profile picture of the author cbart
      I'm an IM and Warrior Forum Newbie determined to succeed, and this offer looks attractive. I also heard about him from Mike Filsame. He's an okay guy, right? I spent twice this amount on 10 "Do It For You" websites where the products consist of really crappy e-books. My internet coach says that video is the way to go and does convert better, and I would rather sell a good affiliate product than a crappy e-book.

      I have the purchase form filled out and ready to go, but this thread makes me hesitant to hit the send button. I'm thinking I could hire someone on Elance to help me run all these sites, help generate traffic, and make sure everything is working correctly.

      Is this guy legit or is this a scam? Did his previous products not work?
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    • Profile picture of the author Brian Maroevich
      Sorry...did I read that the guarantee is 72 hours? I don't want to sound negative...but I guess I will...if you stand behind the product why not offer a longer guarantee? Maybe 72 days?
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      • Profile picture of the author Alminc
        All I can say is I'm happy that I came here to read warrior revews before
        purchasing. This forum should be accessible for a fee, as the war room is.

        You guys just saved me 500 bucks, thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicholas William
    UPDATE:

    Okay I'm happy to report that everything has been sorted out with Keith and I've posted the outcome of my signup with the Automated Sales Formula. Firstly, it appears that sitting around waiting for access to the site was my fault... as my CC didn't process for the order.

    Keith then personally emailed me to help with the situation, this made me feel a lot better. I've now got access to the site and product and am about to get started setting up the first campaign. I'll post back tonite with my feedback and then keep you updated on the results as they happen.

    As for the comments about Keiths past and him getting banned. Well I don't know the full story there so I can't say anything, I don't think it's fair though to judge the guy on being banned.

    Basically, I think that Keith sounds like the real deal. He has a system that has promised to show me a better way of video marketing and gaining traffic, so long as it does that then I'm a happy customer. I don't think it matters that what he's offering has been sold previously or that it's nothing new... I'm learning from it and it's helping my business.

    So if anyone is thinking about signing up feel free to message me or just go speak to someone that actually deals with Keith directly. Rumours are a terrible thing so take them with a grain of salt

    Thanks for everyone that contributed to this thread though
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  • Profile picture of the author CraigX
    Ok guys I told everyone I would keep you posted. Well after being on the customer hub page and going through the material that you get with the automated sales formula I have to tell you I think the material you get with the automated sale formula in itself is well worth the $497 I paid and if you throw in the 15 sites you get I thinks its a steal. Ive purchased quite a few programs online over the last year and I think this is probably the best Ive gotten .

    After e-mailing support I received pretty good response from them and Keith himself has also responded to me as well. I think Keith seems to be a very nice guy and I think he is the Real Deal.
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    • Profile picture of the author jamespereira
      Thanks Elisha for the great explanation, especially about the ranking of the domain extensions.

      CraigX, it would be great if you update us in a few days if the system is really making you money.

      That'll help those of us on the fence.
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      • Profile picture of the author B3n
        Originally Posted by Gary_The_Ace View Post

        That might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard ... well, for today anyway.
        I give up trying to explain, you've not understood what is being said here and I've no patience to try and explain simple concepts to people via a forum.

        As for the "close rate of 1% on each video" - that's laughable and you have to admit that Gary.

        "Let's assume the IM space is small, with only 15,000,000 people in the whole thing worldwide" - you forgot to "assume" that all 15 million people will be interested in watching these videos, which is extremely doubtful.

        Keith Wellman has a bad reputation largely because of the disgraceful way he conducted himself during the "VIP Autopilot" launch.

        Instead of putting his hands up and saying 'OK, sorry, here's a refund', he refused to refund unhappy customers and told people with complaints on the Warrior Forum to 'get a life'.

        He also has history of refusing to come through with his promises, blatantly lying to people (me being a primary source on this - with hard evidence) and I have been reliably informed that he has dodged paying affiliate commissions to people in the recent past.

        Never once has Keith apologised so why on earth should anyone let him off?

        I can see why you are so staunchly defending Keith - you're his friend and it has to be done as per Mike Filsaime's instructions in the Butterfly Marketing manual but maybe you need to take a step back, Gary, and have a good hard look at who it is that you're defending.
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        • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
          Originally Posted by B3n View Post

          He also has history of refusing to come through with his promises, blatantly lying to people (me being a primary source on this - with hard evidence) and I have been reliably informed that he has dodged paying affiliate commissions to people in the recent past.
          More lies from the anonymous source ... why not grow some balls, and put your name out there? Or, are you more comfortable making baseless accusations anonymously?

          Originally Posted by admin

          We're starting to delete people who bash product creators directly. Calling them lairs, scum and so forth.

          This place is for "intelligent" reviews of products. NOT personal Bashing.

          I would suggest you run and delete anything you've posted that directly bashes product creators because when we find it you WILL be eliminated from this forum.
          And, I'd think based on the "No Bashing" rules, B3n would qualify for a ban ... correct mods?


          MODERATOR COMMENTS Keith W is banned from here. I'm not really sure how you can 'bash' somebody with his reputation.

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          • Profile picture of the author B3n
            Originally Posted by Gary_The_Ace View Post

            More lies from the anonymous source ... why not grow some balls, and put your name out there? Or, are you more comfortable making baseless accusations anonymously?
            It doesn't really matter if I use my real name or not on here - I'm not trying to sell anything unlike some, I'm just here to chat about IM... and maybe to steer people away from making silly mistakes such as buying products from certain 'bad apples'.

            These alleged "baseless accusations" are obviously hurting. Keith has ordered you here to deal with this because he knows he'll get banned, again, if he tries to sort it out himself.

            According to you, I'm supposed to be the one with no balls yet you do whatever Keith orders you to do!

            Keith Wellman is perfectly aware of who I am as he has tried numerous times to shut me up.

            His methods have included:

            (a) Sending bogus 'cease and desist' emails made out in psuedo-legal gibberish - these were ignored

            (b) Bribery. Keith offered to fly me over to Atlanta, along with my 'significant other' to show me the sights, give me a tour of his office, and let me take anything I liked, product-wise, home. All I had to do was take down my review of him from my website. This offer was declined.

            (c) Ringing me personally on my mobile (you call them "cell phones") and trying to get me to take down my reviews of the business dealings I have had with him. The call wasn't returned.

            (d) Offering to refund me in full for the purchase I made that created all these problems. This may sound generous but he insisted that the only way he would refund was if I would remove my review of him from my site. I refused this ridiculous request.

            In fact, the only thing that Keith Wellman didn't do to rectify the situation is send me the products that he should've in the first place! The very same products that caused the problems back in July 2007.

            It never occurred to Keith that if he was to simply fulfill his promise then he wouldn't have this stone in his shoe. He also seems to be blind to the fact that when customers dispense with their money, they would actually prefer it if they got what they paid for!

            And, I'd think based on the "No Bashing" rules, B3n would qualify for a ban ... correct mods?

            Gary Ambrose ( yup, my real name )
            Give up already Gary?

            While we're on the subject, Keith Wellman's customer service problems weren't "three years ago" but were actually in full flow around May 2008 which by my reckoning is just over a year and a half ago.

            If you can't get a simple fact like that correct, how are we supposed to believe anything else you say?

            My evidence (and I do have a great deal of it, backed up across the web in several different locations) shows that Keith was banned on the 18th June 2008 for attempting to game the review section of this forum.

            Using his old ID "kwellman" he tried to respond to dozens of other threads in order to bounce one thread criticising his product onto the second page.

            He wasn't alone either, another ID, using the same IP address, of "kscott777" (Keith Scott-Mumby? You know who he is) was also bumping threads.

            There was also a third ID "everydaywealthguy" which was helping too.

            Patrick Pretty, the mod at the time, banned all three. Rightly so.

            Keith then created another ID "fxmarketing" which was soon banned. He then created a third "easysalesformula" which he used to send threatening PMs to me and another WF member.

            His fourth banning was on the 5th January 2010 with the username "EverydayWealth".

            Difference between me and you, Gary, is that I have proof that backs up what I say. You are just posting out of some kind of blind loyalty which is difficult to understand.
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            • Profile picture of the author Nicholas William
              @jamespereira... I'm going through the training videos to learn the formula for creating my own marketing videos. That is why I bought this product from Keith, not just for the sites that create revenue. The videos that Keith sets up has nothing to do with the training material in the members area mate

              for the record, this thread has gone way off track! Look at the room title, this is for product reviews (not for the opinions and track records of marketers).

              I can appreciate that Ben and others have past reasons to villify Keith, but from my short experience with him everything has been fine and I'm loving the quality of this product.

              I've officially completed the training modules for automated sales formula today and will get into video production tomorrow. As promised, I'll keep updating with the results.

              But as of day 3 now, I'm more than happy with my $495 investment in Keiths product. That's my own words too, in case someone makes assumptions out loud about my intentions
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              • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
                I'm known as a moderator with a zero tolerance for 'bashing'.

                I don't think what has been posted so far can be construed as 'bashing' - it's just a recapitulation of why Keith was banned from the Warriors. I think the facts are beyond dispute. (Of course there are nine other moderators on this forum who could take a different view.)

                However, now that the facts have been set out, let's concentrate on REVIEWS of what appears to be a very interesting program.

                Thanks.

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                • Profile picture of the author Paul D Brady
                  Hi All,

                  This thread certainly makes for interesting reading - I was just considering this before signing up, but am seriously in doubt now so probably will hang onto my $500 for now.

                  One thing I did notice in the Guarantee terms & conditions - applies only to the US. So for someone like me who is in the UK and Austria, I guess it's tough luck.

                  This all seems pretty weak to me, so buyers beware is my standpoint. Would love to hear more though from the guys who have signed up for this. Maybe in a week or so, once the system should be making you good money!!

                  Cheers
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                • Profile picture of the author camnjane
                  Taking a final look at a few posts before signing off it seems that even as I typed my last post that another member was also singing a very similar tune!
                  I too would also love to hear about any "successful money makers" using this system. Please come back and report when you are!
                  I think I will just stick to my traditional manual style sites although I am having a bit of fun trying out Squidoo as a break from my regular authority and niche sites!

                  Best of luck to you all!
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    • Profile picture of the author CraigX
      Originally Posted by CraigX View Post

      I bought the Automated Sales Formula this morning around 10:30 AM and as of right now I still haven't got to see a site yet and its 11:26 PM. One thing that got me concerned is in the sales video he states that if you purchase in the next 10 minutes you get the software but after buying I found out you have to buy the hosting for $29 month to have access to the software which in the sales video which I went back and watched again clearly states if you act within the next 10 minutes you get the software. Right now I'm having serious buyers remorse but hope that it turns out to be as good as it sounded in the sales video.
      Originally Posted by CraigX View Post

      Ok guys I told everyone I would keep you posted. Well after being on the customer hub page and going through the material that you get with the automated sales formula I have to tell you I think the material you get with the automated sale formula in itself is well worth the $497 I paid and if you throw in the 15 sites you get I thinks its a steal. Ive purchased quite a few programs online over the last year and I think this is probably the best Ive gotten .

      After e-mailing support I received pretty good response from them and Keith himself has also responded to me as well. I think Keith seems to be a very nice guy and I think he is the Real Deal.

      Ohhhhhh WAS I WRONG! I purchased Keiths Automated Sales Formula on Jan 3rd 2010. First of all in the sales video Keith said a person could be up and running in as little as 3 hours but that just wasn't the case it took a couple of days just to get the domain name they give you live then once I got the sites up they didn't work and not because I didn't do things right it was because they had so many technical problems like once you were on the landing page and filled in the opt in form the sites wouldn't redirect to the video sales page.

      Three to four weeks later they finally got the sites working properly but here's the Real kicker one week after the sites were working the sites went down totally. I couldn't log into c-panel or the wp-admin area it said my password wasn't right which it was. I submitted a ticket and wanted to know where the heck was my sites and that I couldn't log into c-panel or admin areas also they locked me out of the automated sale formula site but was able to get in the cust hub website which is where all the training video and also your subscription page is at so I canceled the $29mo VIP web hosting they were charging me for because I wasn't getting anything for my money. One week later I finally got a response from Keiths people and was told in the e-mail my sites didn't work because I canceled my VIP membership. I canceled my membership only after my sites were gone and submitting multiple tickets asking were my sites were.

      After paying $497 and one month and thirteen days later and a lot of effort loading auto responder and paydotcom id's I have nothing to show for it. Ive been taken to the cleaners by Keith Wellman but never again. Its also interesting to not I tried logging into the automated sales formula site yesterday and low and behold I was able to log into it. But I still have no website anymore.

      I would be interested to join with anybody else that's been taken by Keith and take some sort of class action against him whether it be by a review site that's all about all the Unhappy customers of Keith Wellman and then market the heck out of it on forums, article directories you know all the things a person would do to get free organic traffic in the serps.
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      • Profile picture of the author MJThompson
        Read my posts about my experience with ASF . . . so similiar to yours!
        I'm giving the postal service two more days to see if Kieth replies, if not, I'm reporting my disappointment to the authorities - my credit card fraud unit, my local attorney general, the FTC.
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      • Profile picture of the author MJThompson
        Craig, I hear you and feel equally appalled! Read the four post above your last and you'll understand my frustration.

        Join you? - I'll be happy to help get a class action going to remedy this! Contact me . ..
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  • Profile picture of the author B3n
    Just one more thing whilst I am here - surely I can't be the only to notice Nicholas William's shameful attempts to promote the Automated Sales Formula on this thread?


    MODERATOR COMMENT What he has done is OK within the present rules.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicholas William
    UPDATE:

    I've gotten through 4 of the training videos for automated sales formula and there is some really good stuff in here! If yr into Frank Kern's style of mind control marketing, you'll love this course.

    I've been compiling my own formula for making marketing videos for a few months now, and I haven't even come close to compiling the kind of psychological triggers that Keith has put into his training videos.

    So as of day one, I'm loving this product! It's kinda late here so I wont get the remaining 9 videos done until tomorrow, then I'll get straight into production on the video

    stay tuned
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    • Profile picture of the author Jim K
      I got an email today promoting this product and it sounded really good, and as it has become a ritual for me when I see something that looks cool, I came to the Warrior Forum to see what people are saying about it. To date this is the harshest thread I have read. I am new however, and have only been involved with the Warrior forum for a very short time. I SURELY HOPE I NEVER PISS ANYBODY OFF IN THIS FORUM! As always I very much appreciate the resource the Warrior Forum provides. It is so great to have somewhere to go to find some honesty, as there is definitely too little of it going around in the big world of IM.

      Just my 2 cents!
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    • Profile picture of the author jamespereira
      Nicholas, why are going through the videos to produce your own video? Aren't you going to use the videos Keith prepared for the 15 products and promote these first?
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  • Profile picture of the author Liviu_DLA
    Hi warriors...

    I'm kind of a new in this IM business and I'm stil learning but not take the
    action yet. I'v decided to promote this program through a blog I'v started, automatedsalesformula.wordpress and I'm having problem finding the affiliate
    link to put in it. Can U help?

    Thanks, Liviu
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    • Profile picture of the author jamespereira
      Liviu, I think you can't get the affiliate link because I'm sure Keith only invited his close JV partners to promote and they are the IM heavy hitters.

      If you want to be in loop of upcoming IM launches, join jvnotifypro.com. It's free.
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      • Profile picture of the author Liviu_DLA
        Originally Posted by jamespereira View Post

        Liviu, I think you can't get the affiliate link because I'm sure Keith only invited his close JV partners to promote and they are the IM heavy hitters.

        If you want to be in loop of upcoming IM launches, join jvnotifypro.com. It's free.
        Hi James, thank's for your answar. I will do so.
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        • Profile picture of the author chassm
          Well that kinda sucks, I was getting all excited but thank you all for your honest thoughts. I'm definitely holding off.

          That 72 hour money back guarantee is crap unfortunately.
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Carlin
            Pay $37 for access to the War Room, and I bet you can find enough "free trials" and also complete video courses (I recommend Steven Resell) to make up all the parts of this automated sales formula.

            As for an automated system, I'll sell you a money printing machine for $10, and it doesn't matter how much you print, or how many people use it, currency inflation won't happen (somehow...).

            Who needs product reviews if you're armed with a basic understanding of economics.

            Thanks for your posts, I just wish I hadn't wasted my time watching the video.
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    • Profile picture of the author dseisner
      Originally Posted by Liviu_DLA View Post

      Hi warriors...

      I'm kind of a new in this IM business and I'm stil learning but not take the
      action yet. I'v decided to promote this program through a blog I'v started, automatedsalesformula.wordpress and I'm having problem finding the affiliate
      link to put in it. Can U help?

      Thanks, Liviu
      Have you bought the product or are you just promoting it blindly?
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  • Profile picture of the author Bobru
    I am still foggy on the continuity component of this offer. What do you get for $29/mo?
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    • Profile picture of the author jamespereira
      Originally Posted by Bobru View Post

      I am still foggy on the continuity component of this offer. What do you get for $29/mo?
      Bobru, I think it's for hosting. After all each video will be about 10-20 mins. With 15 videos for a start, that's a lot of space and bandwidth.
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  • Profile picture of the author camnjane
    Wow! What a thread. I too have less than 12 months in the IM game and as a result get the usual stacks of "unbeliveable opportunity" emails in my inbox. some I open and some I don't. Like many of you I received thge promo email, watched the video and then baulked at the price so went here looking for other peoples ideas and thoughts. It seems to me that whatever Keith has done in the past whether or not it remains true of his current venture - Automated Sales Profits, that the damage has been done. The amount of negative press and also comments about the latest offer surely says enough to me and just about everybody else reading that this is NOT a good idea especially at the $500 price tag. It also seems to me that there are now so many of these automatic site makers being flogged now (especially Site Profit Blueprint as well as Automated Sales Profits) that I question the success rate, standards, value and offer that any of them provide.
    As per just about everything in life, success takes hard work and I am sure that the simple 3 hour set up of a site producing software program and then just sit back and rake in the cash just sounds too bogus to me. Thanks Warrior Forum, my mind has been made up and I will certainly be keeping my $500!
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  • Profile picture of the author winsonlim
    I have received 3 emails on the same day since the launch for Automated Sales Formula.
    Initially, I was turned off as the video is so long and I don't have the patience to watch the whole video. I bookmarked it and watch it during my free time as I don't want to spend too much time watching a sales video.

    Indeed, there was a lot of Gurus out there are promoting Keith Wellman's Automated Sales Formula. The next day, I go to my bookmarks and fast forward the video to see that Keith was offering. In the beginning, I was curious to see Keith mentioned that there is nothing else to buy after purchasing his package. Next, he moves on to say that everything is automated <----- This word caught my eye.

    And then, furthermore, he talks about providing 5 automated niche websites with the similar videos as this product launch All setup for you within 24 hours, that really hook me up. In the beginning, I thought to myself, I don't mind paying for the webhosting fee. Wow, imagine to have 5 fully automated Niche websites with the similar exact Video Squeeze pages to promote your affiliate Niche website.

    The Only thing that I am very interested in was the automated traffic generation system he mentioned, something about the terrific twitter traffic automation system that all you need to do is to press the get traffic button and it will automatically drives traffic to your website.

    I really do hope and believe that everything stated in the Video Squeeze page is true.

    But as the matter of fact, it is not. Based on my past experience, the sales letter, the video squeeze page only states the half truth, not the whole truth about the system.

    It can't be fully automated unless you outsource the whole system to a Employee to do it for you. But still, there is a catch here in the Video.

    ----> You have to buy it to know the whole truth.

    Frankly, I really wanted to take out cash from my wallet to purchase Keith Package. But 2 hours ago, I decided to hold and wait for product reviews from customers and warriors who bought it and tested the whole system out.

    But to my disappointed, out of 10 posts, there are only one or two results oriented positive posts here in this forum thread.

    I will be following up on the post and will made up my mind once I can see real life testimonials from a real life newbie marketer.

    Feel free to give your feedbacks as I wanna know what is the truth about the Automated Sales Formula System.

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  • Profile picture of the author Spacevt
    Thanks for everyone's reviews and opinions. I was on the fence about this product and decided to hold off. $500 +$30 per month is too steep for me right now. Im sure the bonuses are great but after watching the video a second time I caught something that made me change my mind.

    Bonuses aside, your basically given some websites with video squeeze pages based on "diamond" affiliate products. The sites probably take you through a sales funnel with up sells, etc.

    You get to collect the email addresses for follow up later. ( You can find many offers like this)

    What made me change my mind is the fact that you still have to market the product and market to the people who's email addresses you collect. This is not full autopilot.

    (did I miss something?)

    The only thing that's seems to be autopilot is the sales funnel part, which does has it's value. It is a pain to set this stuff up, but when im told its autopilot, I expect - autopilot.

    So needless to say, I changed my mind. Im not trying to bash anyone's product, if you have enough resources at your disposal than I could see making money at it, but you need to put in some work, just like any other product or IM effort, and for that I would rather just keep doing what im doing.


    Sorry for the rant but that's my 2 cents worth.
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  • Profile picture of the author elishahong
    Just chiming in with a little more follow up and another personal review after my other post.

    I'm as real as a user of the Easy Sales Formula and in my previous post, I mentioned that I am fairly new to the process of selling having not be in sales before though I've made money as an affiliate marketer.

    I noticed a trend in video marketing, there was Jordan Hall, Tellman Knudson and a few others who were using it in similar fashion, while I could sit back and watch the process, I wouldn't be able to reverse engineer or figure out the psychology behind the sales formula. To save time I bought the program. There will be many people who will try to analyze the video from a distance and please save yourself the trouble, you might not be able to come close to reverse engineering something like that.

    Anyways, I was looking for a system that I could easily follow and improve on when it comes to selling online. I came to a conclusion that the core essence of making money anywhere, online or offline is that I needed to get person A to purchase product X and to do so, there had to be a system that does just that.

    No matter what traffic tactic you use, if your sales process is flawed, it will not attract sales and sales is a lifeblood of any business and I'm sure by now at least in the internet marketing space, people know that Shawn Casey and Jim Fleck was talking about lead generation and how important it is for the lifeblood of their business. To them, they need leads to make money. It's as simple as that. They are experienced in business to know how to sell products and all they need is leads to continue selling. They have a system for selling.

    I realized that for any product offer, affiliate offer, the offer is key to conversions on top of many other factors. My favorite among all of the Easy Sales Formula training,the "Bunker Buster" video training module just bombed for me and it's huge for my videos. It helped me close more sales than I have ever done before and the nice part to it is that the video was uploaded just once and the selling continued on even when I was asleep.

    I've made many videos since and funnily though, two of my videos which had older dates on it, meaning the offer expired ..still made sales for me. I analyzed why and I realized that the offer was still powerful as structured in the "Bunker Buster" formula. I didn't take down the videos and continued testing. So sales after sales, month after month.. I wonder if I should have taken the video down.

    I'm still amazed at the simplicity of the system.

    Do you have a system for selling? I'm glad I do now. I have read books on selling but there isn't any training online that you can find that really walks you through the system of selling "online", try looking it up on YouTube, you will not come close to anything of the likes of the Easy Sales Formula.

    I am a little off tangent here but there is something very important that I want to share... the missing piece is this, to make money it lies in the simplicity of getting people to buy your product or another person's product. Can you do it better than your competitors? Once again, do you have a sales process or system of closing sales that you can confidently use on a daily basis without fear and doubt?

    I'll tell you this. Getting out of my comfort zone when it comes to selling online was very, very difficult. My comfort zone was simply about writing articles, using PPC, drive traffic to offers that converts, creating review sites, ah yes..it was comfortable..but did it make me more money? Absolutely not. For the time that I spent writing articles, spending money on Ads.. I could have made sales videos that converted much better.

    Who pushed me out of my comfort zone? Gary Ambrose. His words are as direct as he is on the forum and in real life. I've met him six times in the past year and every time he said something, it rang like a church bell over and over again and there's no way you can't take action when he says something. Whenever I had the chance to even join a small mastermind with Gary and Keith, I would jump on it. To learn from their experience. As there was no way to get coaching from them, the only way was to go to their seminars and ask them questions. I think that has been the best decision I have ever made in 2009 and it was an income accelerator. From being broke to making at least four figures within a few months not having to break too much of a sweat online...I have a lot to thank them for. I am like everyone else, a regular person but I had a desire to search for answers and I knew I had to go beyond my comfort zone no matter how uncomfortable it was for me.

    Everyone here who has commented has a certain fear lingering in them. That fear is the fear of failure or fear of making a bad buying decision. The fear of having a bad experience. All kinds of fears. We all don't want to be taken advantage of, we all have our own financial circumstances and goals in life that we want to achieve. We just want to have a better quality of life.

    Fear sets many people back. The fear of creating a website. The fear of making that first dollar online. I was pretty anxious of making my first dollar online. I was afraid that I would fail. I was afraid of many things. But it only set me back from taking real action, action that would propel me forward on doing things that really mattered..designing the life that I want through the business that I own. Just imagine the day that you make that first sale. I knew when I made my first sale, it was an amazing feeling, a moment of truth. It was even better when I sold my very own product.

    I remembered being in a room during the seminar in March of 2009 hosted by Gary and Keith. Guess who was in the room?

    Names like Russell Brunson, Anik Singal, Jeff Dedrick, Liz Tomey, Eric Rockefeller, and many other big name marketers..

    I was humbled to be able to listen to the golden nuggets that many of the internet marketers shared. After returning home, I took just one of the advice that I gathered and made my first test product. Not only I made a sale within 24 hours of my launch, the sale was made by an affiliate. Guess what I practiced? I chose to use one marketing method, leveraging affiliates and implemented it. To me, that was a breakthrough. A big one and it continued to grow and allowed me to reinvest in my education and it grew my confidence every day.

    And who started it all? Gary and Keith. I'll be honest. If there is only one positive opinion that is coming from me..I'm glad that I took action and attended that seminar they hosted. I'm glad I launched a website that I would never have done if it was not for that seminar and meeting them. Would my life be different if they didn't host the seminar? It probably would. I would still have been stuck at my day job. I would still be figuring everything on my own and wasting more time.

    So all in all, this still relates to the Easy Sales Formula, the Automated Sales Formula..the simple fact is this..you listen to yourself and make your own decisions and do your due diligence and realize that for every inaction, it will delay an action that could potentially lead to a breakthrough. I only write this with passion because I've been helped by the knowledge that Gary and Keith shared with many people, not just me.

    I don't know how many more real stories should people read on this forum to believe and I wouldn't be spending time writing this if everything was B.S. but I know for sure that the system that I have learned works.

    I believe that Nicholas will be on a great journey as he seems to be another action taker. I remember that freshness of taking action on the Easy Sales Formula that I bought..as I mentioned on the 30th of June 2009, it was then and there things changed, with new knowledge acquired and put to good use that made me money. Do you have a day of significant change that you can remember of? A day in this year of 2010 that you will want to remember forever? It's like the day I got baptized with sales knowledge! Just kidding!

    I was just like Nicholas..by the way Nicholas, if you're reading this, I followed your blog. Keep it going and congratulations for taking action and I wish you the best of success for the year 2010 and for everyone who embarked on this journey... I'm excited for you.

    Thank you all for reading. This is as genuine as I can be coming from personal experience. If it sounds a like hype to you..I think it just flowed out from my enthusiasm because it's real.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnbardeen
    I do have to say thank you to everybody that posted a reply... with one request... instead of just telling us all how bad Keith is, can someone please recommend someone else or another course that will give you the results Keith talkes about in the video?

    All of us new people would apreciate some positive input.

    Thanks!

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  • Profile picture of the author Nicholas William
    UPDATE:

    Day 3 completed of Keiths Automated Sales formula.. it's now 2:30am and I'm hella tired but still really amped after a long day of learning and finally taking some action with the new product. We had a webinar just before lunchtime so Keith and his buddies could show us the ropes on how to use the members area and tools. The twitter syphon got me all excited so once the webinar was finished I got straight into setting up my first campaign.

    I haven't actually done the video skinning part yet, I wanted to get the twitter traffic all sorted first so I could track the stats and conversions for a CPA campaign I launched. I got traffic within a few minutes, which is very sweet, but I'll let that run for 12 hours then report back with the results.

    All in all, that's another exciting and educational day with the Automated Sales Formula. I am lovin it
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    • Profile picture of the author chassm
      Hey Nicholas,
      About that Twitter syphon thingie, do you have to have a huge list of followers already or does this thing help you build a list of followers?

      Where did your first traffic come from and are you promoting one of the 15 sites/offers he talked about or your own offer?
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      • Profile picture of the author Nicholas William
        Originally Posted by chassm View Post

        Hey Nicholas,
        About that Twitter syphon thingie, do you have to have a huge list of followers already or does this thing help you build a list of followers?

        Where did your first traffic come from and are you promoting one of the 15 sites/offers he talked about or your own offer?
        Hey Chassm

        It would help if you had a list of twitter followers, but no you don't need them as this syphon builds your list of followers automatically. I'm testing this with a brand new twitter account so my results are created from scratch.

        The first traffic I had came directly from twitter. I haven't yet promoted any of the 15 sites that Keith provides video skinning files for. I will do that soon but I'm really focussing on the twitter traffic part right now and will get to the video skinning within a day. Keep watching here for my updates or follow my blog for complete details and instructions you can follow

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  • Profile picture of the author coffeediva
    Wow, Thanks for all the info. I had my credit card out but have put it away Now. I am a bit of a program Junkie but glad i found this post before spending money as it lloks like I have similar information in another program. Just joined the forum today looking forward to reading more
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Olson
      I've purchased the product and I'm going to keep it and I'm sure I'll make a lot of money with the sales videos it includes, but I can't stand Kieth's sales approach. His pitches are full of claims and promises that, ummm.... stretch the definition of honesty. I knew going in how he does things and I recognized most his claims for what they are. One thing, however, I'm still having trouble accepting. At the end of the sales video he promised some sort of unidentified "Automated Traffic Software" or something like that to anyone who purchases in the "next 10 minutes." This software was supposed to be in addition to the twitter software. However, there is no such software available to me when I log in. I entered a support ticket asking where my software is and after going 3 or 4 rounds with his support staff I still don't have an answer (It is like we are speaking different languages or something. I ask a direct question and the person on the other end gives me an answer to a totally unrelated question!). From the webinar they did last night it appears that the software is only available to those who bought the $29/mo hosting package. I'm still doing a slow burn that I was taken in by the guy on this, but I take some solace in the fact that the software shown on the webinar looks worthless.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ashley Parker
      Originally Posted by coffeediva View Post

      Wow, Thanks for all the info. I had my credit card out but have put it away Now. I am a bit of a program Junkie but glad i found this post before spending money as it lloks like I have similar information in another program. Just joined the forum today looking forward to reading more
      I just joined today also. There is so much free information,
      like affilorama and just can't see the justification in Keith Wellman's
      program.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bobru
    I dunno, it just seems to me that while selling via video works great; having a video that is mostly "look at my house, look at my life, look at my screen captured account pages," and then skimps on important details so people understand exactly what they are gettin and not getting-- not mentioning the continuity component at all, and giving a weak guarantee (isn't the conventional thinking that the longer the guarantee is, the less refunds you get?) is a recipe for a lot of unhappy customers. It's not like this is a $47 course. It seems I am not the only one who was left with a lot of questions unanswered after watching the video; and not the only one whose perception of what the deal is differs from the reality of it....
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    • Profile picture of the author Ashley Parker
      Originally Posted by Bobru View Post

      I dunno, it just seems to me that while selling via video works great; having a video that is mostly "look at my house, look at my life, look at my screen captured account pages," and then skimps on important details so people understand exactly what they are gettin and not getting-- not mentioning the continuity component at all, and giving a weak guarantee (isn't the conventional thinking that the longer the guarantee is, the less refunds you get?) is a recipe for a lot of unhappy customers. It's not like this is a $47 course. It seems I am not the only one who was left with a lot of questions unanswered after watching the video; and not the only one whose perception of what the deal is differs from the reality of it....
      I agree 100%
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    • Profile picture of the author chassm
      Originally Posted by USDBOT - Mark Trenton View Post

      it does have a gurantee so you have nothing to lose...try it out
      That guarantee is only 72 hours, for the amount of material he's offering he should be giving 72 days, especially when you're talking about newbies who are not going to take no 72 hours to get a good grasp on this.
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  • Profile picture of the author chayil
    It seems that Keith method of video sales does work. I got another person promoting this and this person had just got into clickbank's top 100 affiliates using Keith's method. Wow i must say.

    But again, marketers promoting products always have some +ve things to say. If only i have some spare cash to test this out, money that if lost in investment is fine. Sadly i dun have the money, so this product won't be a priority. I save the money for others.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedHat39
    Of course the one question no one has asked: Does anyone have a sample website to let us see this in action?

    I'll be the first to admit that $30 each for a well done pre-designed site is a steal and well worth the cost. But for me to plunk down $500 I'd like to see one of the sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author auslaw2
    I've got to put in my 2 cents on this thread. I did purchase the product and unfortunately had to go to work doing remodeling work the next day to try to pay for it. The following day I did get most of the 15 sites set up (it took more than 3 hours when considering the autoresponders and everything else).

    I initially started going through the training videos, but I thought it would be better to actually set up the video skinning sites that are going to make money vs. trying to learn the entire system first. After I got the capture pages set up with my aweber account, I decided to actually go through the initial sales letter from the PayDotCom affiliate product (in print) and the video sales message to get ideas on some marketing approaches to complement the twitter syphon method and SEO software that was included with the program. As Gary Ambrose mentioned earlier in the thread, a person definitely needs to market using several different methods to have any kind of sustainable profitability to a campaign.

    I have to say that I was very disappointed in the video reviews of each of the affiliate products. I assumed that the PowerPoint presentation (or whatever form of video was going to be used) would be done professionally by either Keith himself or someone on his team that has a professional voice and can present the sales letter in a condensed, professional and persuasive manner. I don't know if all of the video reviews are the same as mine, but if they are, I really can't imagine getting any conversions with this system. It sounds like the guy doing the audio can barely read and that English is his second language. I can barely make it through each video without wanting to click off, yet this is something that is supposed to capture a prospect's attention and get them to buy?

    I don't want to be too harsh as I do believe this is a great model for getting affiliate sales. I believe the training is great and if it is applied can make a great deal of money for the affiliate using this method. I will say that one of the main reasons I bought the product was to have 15 affiliate video sales sites up that are making money while I learned how to do this on my own using the training at a later date. I really don't believe that what I've seen would actually convert. I will include one of my video sales pages for this forum to review and let me know what you think of the professionalism. I have included my PayDotCom link, the capture page link, and the video sales page link so you can get a full grasp of one of the campaigns. I want to know the consensus view as to whether this would actually convert.

    http://www.austinsvideoreview.com/ar...und/video.html

    I've sent a support ticket into Automated Sales Formula with my concerns but have not heard anything back yet. Again, I would say that I'm concerned because I bought this product with the thought that I could have some sites set up and ready to make money. After reviewing the sales videos I don't know that I would actively promote it without at least re-recording the audio portion of the sales video. What does everyone think?

    As far as money back guarantee goes, the order page says 100% Satisfaction Guarantee, 100% No Risk Guarantee! It doesn't list a 72 hour time limit. Keith does say immediately upon getting into the welcome video that if you are going to return the product, that he would like you to do it right then. He also mentions the chronic refunder that doesn't ever follow through on their purchases. I must admit that I've been in this camp before and I'm sure I've missed out on a lot of prosperity because of it. In this case however, I think if the purchaser is not satisfied with the product they have purchased and they were not given a preview of this product before purchasing, it is a different story all together.

    I am looking forward to seeing the response from other marketers in this forum and also from Keith and his support team. I honestly want to make this work, but I also don't want to waste time on something that is destined to fail. What do you think?

    Austin
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    • Profile picture of the author jamespereira
      Austin,
      I watched the video and I think it's a good video as all the pertinent points are there and there are some emotional triggers that will get the viewer to order, if they are the right target.
      It definitely sounds like a regular guy doing a review and therefore more natural and believable.
      So once again, if you target it to a crowd who want it, you have a winner.
      Now, I look forward to seeing whether you made money with any of the 15 products.
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    • Profile picture of the author helpandinfo
      Originally Posted by auslaw2 View Post

      I want to know the consensus view as to whether this would actually convert.
      WOW! I was on the point of ordering ASF this morning. I MUST REALLY THANK YOU AUSTIN FOR POSTING THE ABOVE LINK.

      The video was rubbish! Worse than that it was amateurish, stilted, (some parts of it sounded almost computer generated!) even mis-spelled in places and well... I already said it - RUBBISH! Reading from static images is definitely something you don't have to buy..

      I couldn't wait for it to finish. If I'd been a real visitor I've have been gone in 20 seconds. As I said I was going to buy this and I can make videos 100 times better than this myself.

      Thanks again Austin - The other comments had me seriously wavering but this has definitely tipped me over the edge. I seriously can't believe he thinks this is worth $500.

      How Gary Ambrose can say "Test It" is also beyond me. You don't spend $500 on a "proven to work" product to test it! You're spending that much so you DON'T have to test.

      In my view save yourself $500 and break out Windows Media player - a novice couldn't do any worse..

      As for the "triggers" we've seen mentioned - Yes we know they work, the reducing price, the countdown, etc etc but haven't we all seen them all before? Are they some awesome secret any more? You can send me $500 if you like and I'll send you all the emotional triggers you can handle..

      Sod that!

      If anyone's interested click the piano link below to see how I already use video (and it works..)
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      • Profile picture of the author ianKmcallister
        Originally Posted by helpandinfo View Post

        WOW! I was on the point of ordering ASF this morning. I MUST REALLY THANK YOU AUSTIN FOR POSTING THE ABOVE LINK.

        The video was rubbish! Worse than that it was amateurish, stilted, (some parts of it sounded almost computer generated!) even mis-spelled in places and well... I already said it - RUBBISH! Reading from static images is definitely something you don't have to buy..
        The proof of the pudding is in the eating. I wasted a lot of time feeding inane messages into their Twitter tool, then discovered that none of them were posted.

        Then I used Adwords to send people to the videos and according to Paydotcom.com I got a conversion ratio of 0.55%. I ask you... If videos can't do better than that, a text message should beat the videos.

        However Keith Wellman is determined to hang on to his ill-gotten gains. I'm an experienced webmaster, but it took me over a week to get all the aWeber accounts set up, and all the blog pages modified to use tho aWeber account details and my PayDotcom.com details.

        So the insistence that 72 hours is a long enough guarantee is nothing but a scam.

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    • Profile picture of the author MJThompson
      I, like you, am seriously disappointed with ASF, and Keith in particular. I have formerly held Keith in high regard, along with the other Internet Marketers who claim to share the same innercircle.

      It has been four days since I submitted a registed letter to Keith's Corporate mailling address. It has a reply card that the delivering postman has to get a signature for and then return the signed card to me, to prove that Keith actually gets it.

      I had to resort to that means of contact because the support ticket feature offered on site has NOT resulted in satisfactory answers to the many issues I've encountered attempting to fully set-up the system.

      I will post new info if, and when, Keith replies. I will tell you this now, my patience is wearing thin.
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      • Profile picture of the author MJThompson
        Originally Posted by MJThompson View Post

        I, like you, am seriously disappointed with ASF, and Keith in particular. I have formerly held Keith in high regard, along with the other Internet Marketers who claim to share the same innercircle.

        It has been four days since I submitted a registed letter to Keith's Corporate mailling address. It has a reply card that the delivering postman has to get a signature for and then return the signed card to me, to prove that Keith actually gets it.

        I had to resort to that means of contact because the support ticket feature offered on site has NOT resulted in satisfactory answers to the many issues I've encountered attempting to fully set-up the system.

        I will post new info if, and when, Keith replies. I will tell you this now, my patience is wearing thin.
        As a purchaser of "Automated Sales Formula on "Jan 6th" I spent the next 2 days requesting access to the product, and a further 8 days to receive the "Automated" part of "Automated Sales Formula" which Keith cynically describes as an "Upgrade".
        An Upgrade that so obviously should have been delivered 10 days earlier at the point of purchase. (no wonder Keith was only comfortable with a 72 hour money back guanrantee)
        I find contemptable that he treats his customers; and especially those new to the IM with such a shabby disregard for their time and effort in trying to make something work which was so obvously not ready.
        The very thing he says he's try to overcome by providing an "Automated System"
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  • Profile picture of the author annaw
    I am new to IM and am looking for a way to get started. I thought Keith's program looked good for newbees but After looking at your video I agree that the audio is terrible.
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  • Profile picture of the author eaglechick
    Thx Goldmind - This product seems to be a rip-off. A lot of complaints from consumers. What I don't understand is how can well-known respected gurus like

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    promote and try to sell you this stuff If they must know this products reputation and so on. With the price tag? Shame on them!!

    My post will probably be deleted !!
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  • Profile picture of the author RedHat39
    Thanks Austin for posting a link to one of the video sales pages. I see your concern in the quality of the video. The guy doing the audio made tons of "nervous" reading errors and I really think it should have been done again before sending it out as a finished product.

    On the otherhand this example posted by Austiin shows us what the system is and I have to say I'm a little disappointed. I guess I was expecting something entirely different when the the term "video skinning" was used. I was expecting some more along the lines of this:
    Cheat Your Way Thin - Eat What You Want and Still Lose Weight

    I don't think I'll be buying the ASF product because its nothing more than just sales video websites that automatically redirect to the order pages of the reviewed product. And if the video quality is as the one Austin posted then the quality of the videos suffers as well.

    Thanks again Austin.
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    • Profile picture of the author A Bary
      Originally Posted by RedHat39 View Post

      Thanks Austin for posting a link to one of the video sales pages. I see your concern in the quality of the video. The guy doing the audio made tons of "nervous" reading errors and I really think it should have been done again before sending it out as a finished product.

      On the otherhand this example posted by Austiin shows us what the system is and I have to say I'm a little disappointed. I guess I was expecting something entirely different when the the term "video skinning" was used. I was expecting some more along the lines of this:
      Cheat Your Way Thin - Eat What You Want and Still Lose Weight

      I don't think I'll be buying the ASF product because its nothing more than just sales video websites that automatically redirect to the order pages of the reviewed product. And if the video quality is as the one Austin posted then the quality of the videos suffers as well.

      Thanks again Austin.
      Is this what people are praising as a good product worth $500?:confused::confused::confused::confused:

      Are these the "Quality" videos you receive??

      You can make much better videos using Big Mike's video writer, and flexibly do what you want with them??

      but, who knows, God only knows how people think
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
    Hey Guys,

    I know the guy who did the voice work for the videos, and here's all I can say ... take it, again, with a grain of salt knowing that Keith and I are pretty good friends.

    Based on ALL the testing that the "guru" group has done in terms of professional (like a slick sales guy), versus the more natural (like your average joe) doing the voice over, the natural approach has always outperformed the pro approach in terms of conversions.

    While we'll never know the actual reason for this, my guess is that the slick sales guy/pro instantly gets people into that "I'm being sold" frame of mine ... whereas, the more natural approach seems like your normal guy just telling you about something he likes.

    To Austin, in terms of asking if you "think" this will convert ... there's only one answer that matters, and that answer is ... TEST IT!

    If it converts, it converts ... and if it doesn't, it doesn't.

    That said, I know the guy who did the voice work, I know he sells pretty well (especially well considering the size of his list), and Keith chose him for a reason.

    Also, to the best of my knowledge, Keith was the one who wrote all the scripts, following his "Easy Sales Formula" formula, and the same formula that got all you who bought the thing, to plunk down the dough ...

    And, Keith isn't exactly the most polished speaker on the planet. He makes plenty of mistakes in the video, but there's a reason they weren't edited out ... (hint, hint)

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      Originally Posted by Gary_The_Ace View Post

      Hey Guys,

      I know the guy who did the voice work for the videos, and here's all I can say ... take it, again, with a grain of salt knowing that Keith and I are pretty good friends.

      Based on ALL the testing that the "guru" group has done in terms of professional (like a slick sales guy), versus the more natural (like your average joe) doing the voice over, the natural approach has always outperformed the pro approach in terms of conversions.

      While we'll never know the actual reason for this, my guess is that the slick sales guy/pro instantly gets people into that "I'm being sold" frame of mine ... whereas, the more natural approach seems like your normal guy just telling you about something he likes.

      To Austin, in terms of asking if you "think" this will convert ... there's only one answer that matters, and that answer is ... TEST IT!

      If it converts, it converts ... and if it doesn't, it doesn't.

      That said, I know the guy who did the voice work, I know he sells pretty well (especially well considering the size of his list), and Keith chose him for a reason.

      Also, to the best of my knowledge, Keith was the one who wrote all the scripts, following his "Easy Sales Formula" formula, and the same formula that got all you who bought the thing, to plunk down the dough ...

      And, Keith isn't exactly the most polished speaker on the planet. He makes plenty of mistakes in the video, but there's a reason they weren't edited out ... (hint, hint)

      Gary Ambrose
      That's all well and good Gary (Gary Ambrose, Ben Shaffer and the rest) but Keith said he charges people something like 4 or 5 grand EACH! for the pre-sale videos that he is offering as part of the "Automated Sales Formula" product package.
      Who would pay 4 or 5 grand for vidoes of that quality?

      It's an outrageous and blatantly obvious misrepresentation of the video quality one would expect on purchasing "Automated Sales Formula"
      Gary, this typifies your inability as his friend and colleague to advise him in any meaningful way of how to remedy these short comings.
      Instead you and others seek to excuse, justify and deflect.

      Although I like Keith, and what he says he's trying to do. The shoddy way he delivers "Automated Sales Formula" is in direct contrast to his slick, and somewhat heartfelt, sales pitch.
      As a purchaser of "Automated Sales Formula on "Jan 6th" I spent the next 2 days requesting access to the product, and a further 8 days to receive the "Automated" part of "Automated Sales Formula" which Keith cynically describes as an "Upgrade".
      An Upgrade that so obviously should have been delivered 10 days earlier at the point of purchase. (no wonder Keith was only comfortable with a 72 hour money back guanrantee)
      I find contemptable that he treats his customers; and especially those new to the IM with such a shabby disregard for their time and effort in trying to make something work which was so obvously not ready.
      The very thing he says he's try to overcome by providing an "Automated System"

      A minimal amount of testing would have exposed these flaws.
      But I expect Keith thought, "Launch, Money, I'll sort the rest later."

      So 10 days of "effin about" with support and stalling and telling us how hard, him and his staff are working, how much his staff appreciate our patience blah blah blah...
      I'm sure his staff are sick of his inadequite resourcing of this project.

      If I'm the only one this has happened to fine, I apologise. But I sure I'm not.
      And you can bet, the forced continuity subscription will arrive right on time.

      I still think this could and can be a good, successfull product for the purchasers.
      However, Keith should have more respect himself, the family he includes in his videos and the people who feed him and his family... Customers
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  • Profile picture of the author BenShaffer
    I actually thought that the example video salesletter that Austin gave was pretty good and would bet my bottom dollar that it would convert better than the original salesletter.

    I think that some people miss the point of video salesletters and that is:

    1. The potential customer invests his time in watching them and it is natural for the customer to want to leverage the investment already put in by purchasing the product

    2. I am in no way slick or have a great voice but video salesletters have done wonders for my business and earnt me 100s of thousands of dollars. In two words, They Work!

    In my mind, to pay $30 for each video salesletter is a complete joke. You may be skeptical, but once you have tried using video to sell product you will never go back - I promise ya. Whether you purchase Keith's product or not, spend a few hours and try and create a video salesletter. You will see just how much work you have to put in it. However, it will convert like gangbusters and hopefully will make changes to your business like it has to mine.

    This thread reminds me a bit of the one about the recent 7 Figure Code promo and people complaining that they were going to receive the download version instead of the physical version. At the end of the day, for $30 (or thereabout) you were going to receive information that is potentially worth thousands if not hundreds of thousands to your business.

    My point?

    Where something has been done for you and the cost of acquisition in reasonably low compared to purchases that an offline business makes, think of the reason to buy it rather than the reasons not to buy it.

    Keeping it real in an unreal world,

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    • Profile picture of the author searchnology
      I think this is horrible business advice. Money in your hands is always worth a lot more than hypothetical profits. You SHOULD be careful how you spend the real money so do ask for reviews from real purchasers, examine the reputation of the vendor as well demand a moneyback guarantee....and that is for REAL.

      Originally Posted by BenShaffer View Post


      My point?

      Where something has been done for you and the cost of acquisition in reasonably low compared to purchases that an offline business makes, think of the reason to buy it rather than the reasons not to buy it.

      Keeping it real in an unreal world,

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  • Profile picture of the author winsonlim
    Hi Gary,
    I have watched the video that Austin posted in his posts. Here's my thoughts: This video is very well made and personalized. It's like listening to a friends explaining about the Article Underground System. Well, what I can say is that go get some traffic using Keith's traffic system and TEST IT OUT.

    I am not a customer of Keith and neither am I the buyer of Automated Sales Formula. I am monitoring this thread carefully and after watching the video, I feel that it has all the elements of a NON-Hype, not pushy but Effective presell video and I firmly believe that this works and will get you sales.

    I am now considering to get a copy of the Automated Sales Formula after watching this video. I will keep track of the results of members purchasing this system.


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  • Profile picture of the author Nicholas William
    UPDATE: I've just completed day 4 of Keiths ASF program. I still haven't done any video skinning sorry, as I was dealing mostly with the twitter software. I think I spent half the day all up, with playing around and testing campaigns then managed to get 4 new profiles created. They're all generating traffic, we're talking in the hundreds not thousands but it's technically my first day of using the twitter software correctly. The trick from here is to stay committed to creating more profiles each day with multiple campaigns, at the end of the month I will have a pretty hefty amount of unique visitors.

    I've written more details on my blog (link below to enicholas.com) so please stop by if you're interested in hearing about customer results on this product...

    ps. no revenue has been created yet within the first 4 days, I am hoping to have the first bits trickle in next week and then compound from there.

    pps. once again, I'm more than happy with the quality of the training and the tools that Keith is providing
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    • Profile picture of the author jamespereira
      Thanks Nicholas for this update. Looks like you're the only person who bought the system to have set up some sites (besides Austin) and really looking forward to more updates...especially whether you're making money
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    • Profile picture of the author Bobru
      Originally Posted by Nicholas William View Post

      UPDATE: I've just completed day 4 of Keiths ASF program. I still haven't done any video skinning sorry, as I was dealing mostly with the twitter software. I think I spent half the day all up, with playing around and testing campaigns then managed to get 4 new profiles created. They're all generating traffic, we're talking in the hundreds not thousands but it's technically my first day of using the twitter software correctly. The trick from here is to stay committed to creating more profiles each day with multiple campaigns, at the end of the month I will have a pretty hefty amount of unique visitors.
      Nicholas, did you opt for the $29/mo hosting, or are you doing all the set up stuff yourself?
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      • Profile picture of the author Nicholas William
        Originally Posted by Bobru View Post

        Nicholas, did you opt for the $29/mo hosting, or are you doing all the set up stuff yourself?
        Hey Bob

        No sorry, I have my own servers so had no need for their hosting package or setup service.

        I can appreciate that some people wanted this program for the money making sites, but for me the real value is in the twitter traffic software and the video production tutorials. I spent a short time setting up 4 campaigns on Monday and have generated just over 500 unique visitors from those efforts. Pretty good if you ask me

        Keep up to date with progress on my blog... www.enicholas.com
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        • Profile picture of the author B3n
          Originally Posted by Nicholas William View Post

          Keep up to date with progress on my blog... (URL was here)
          I would do but it says "Not found! Sorry, no posts matched your criteria" when I go to the home page.

          I must say I agree with Pearson that there are "several partial reviews" on this thread. Each one promoting the Automated Sales Formula product in some shape or form.
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        • Profile picture of the author Bobru
          Originally Posted by Nicholas William View Post


          I can appreciate that some people wanted this program for the money making sites, but for me the real value is in the twitter traffic software and the video production tutorials. I spent a short time setting up 4 campaigns on Monday and have generated just over 500 unique visitors from those efforts. Pretty good if you ask me www.enicholas.com
          Which Twitter software is it, anyway? Is it sold as a standalone, or only in this package?
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        • Profile picture of the author Kristen
          Originally Posted by Nicholas William View Post


          I can appreciate that some people wanted this program for the money making sites, but for me the real value is in the twitter traffic software and the video production tutorials. I spent a short time setting up 4 campaigns on Monday and have generated just over 500 unique visitors from those efforts. Pretty good if you ask me
          How did you get 500 unique visitors setting up 4 campaigns? Were those campaigns using the Twitter Siphon? Did you already have twitter followers? Or, did you send tweets out into the dark hoping for followers?

          Thanks.

          Kristen
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  • Profile picture of the author irman
    Hi all,

    I am perusing this thread for two days and I didn't hear anything except critics about the seller. I am new here and in IM and I think it's better somebody who purchase this product give us a honest review about the whole of the process.
    Also I have a question. The English is not my first language I want to know is it a right stuff for somebody like me?

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    Hi Imran,

    There are several partial reviews in this thread - and I'm 100% convinced that they are 'honest'.

    It's a brand new product, only out a few days, so nobody can say yet if it really 'works'.

    As for being a non-native speaker of English, my guess is that you would be highly disadvantaged with this type of product. Could you really produce an error free video presentation? Most of my students couldn't. There are plenty of other ways of making money online.

    Pearson
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
    Nicholas,

    Is the high praise you give these products (including Magic Bullet) somewhat influenced by the commissions you stand to make from them by driving traffic to your blog via the Warrior Forum?

    Especially since you're providing "Bonuses"...

    Just a thought.

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    • Profile picture of the author Nicholas William
      Originally Posted by Steven Fullman View Post

      Nicholas,

      Is the high praise you give these products (including Magic Bullet) somewhat influenced by the commissions you stand to make from them by driving traffic to your blog via the Warrior Forum?

      Especially since you're providing "Bonuses"...

      Just a thought.

      Steve
      Hey Steve

      I post here on the forums for the same reason as everyone else in the War Room, it's to share my results and guidance on techniques I'm currently using. Have a look through my previous posts, you'll see that the only time I stop by is to help people out with tutorials and coaching

      The "bonuses" I offered don't cost any money and was included to help some people get started with automated sales formula and also video marketing. Yanik Silver wants to help a few thousand people become financially independent using the web, I'm just trying to help a few dozen people and that would make me happy!

      I believe Keith's program has closed registrations now, if you're one of the group that joined up for Automated Sales Formula please keep watching over on my blog and in the coaching club for updates and advice.

      Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author thriftgirl62
    I find contemptable that he treats his customers; and especially those new to the IM with such a shabby disregard for their time and effort in trying to make something work which was so obvously not ready.
    Doesn't that make you wonder if "noob-tards" are the target of many, sure to falling victim to a few before the day is up? Nobody with 2 pages of complaints over at Scam alerts (or whatever it's called) would do what you're saying. Surely you jest.

    MODERATOR removed references to two third parties who promoted this as affiliates.

    Just one question? What stops anyone from shutting off that horrid Video and then go straight to Article Underground simply by typing those 2 words in the search box. That's exactly what people will do instead of watching that one until the end of it? The only way you will make any money with this is illegal and not recommended.
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      Originally Posted by thriftgirl62 View Post

      The only way you will make any money with this is illegal and not recommended.
      How is making money with this system illegal?
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      • Profile picture of the author thriftgirl62
        How is making money with this system illegal?
        Making money with this system is not illegal. The WAY it might be used to
        make money would be and I see that as the only way anyone could make
        any money.


        This type of "automated system" or "program" encourages Marketers to use whatever means necessary to make money. More should be exposed but nobody wants to be the Sheriff out here in the W-W-W...Wild Wild West.

        The general consensus is due diligence is a couple of clicks away. If you're too lazy or greedy to research what you're buying, why should anyone spend time and energy cleaning up all the Internet fraud and more aptly put "Internet Sins" written by Sylvie Fortin. Read it and weep. It's FREE priceless information.

        The underlying reason for all corruption is spelled out right here: Zeitgeist - The Movie

        If you understand the reasons WHY something is, you have the truth and the knowledge to deal with what is rather than hoping for the best. But without hope there is no life. We are all victims of our own human nature until we learn to make up our own minds.
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    • Profile picture of the author thriftgirl62
      Have you watched the video sales page posted by Austin (above)? I see your concern in the quality of the video. The guy doing the audio made tons of "nervous" reading errors and I really think it should have been done again before sending it out as a finished product.
      I was referring to all "automated system" or "programs" that turn out to be "scams" when, in fact, they are not scams at all. The product is whatever you believe at the time you make your purchase.

      Why do so many products suddenly change into a scam or cause disappointment after they are purchased? Why would anyone choose to "be brave and do it" instead of be brave and make up your own mind based on your own due diligence.

      Are you brave enough to watch this movie? Zeitgeist - The Movie
      If so, you will find out you do understand more than you realize.

      Reliable sources say this product is undergoing needed improvements which include voice overs. Why was this product released before it was ready? Maybe the philosophy of a well known marketer was adopted: Imperfect Action is better than No Action.
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  • Profile picture of the author the5ace
    I subscribed to Keith's Automatic Sales Formula and found that its not what I need for now. Am I able to transfer the memebership or sell it off?
    If anybody interested to buy a cut price, let me know
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    • Profile picture of the author thriftgirl62
      He went out of town Friday "on an important business trip" and
      will return late Monday afternoon (the 25th). Help desks are nothing
      more than a glorified email account with 1 auto responder so whether
      he answers them all or has help is anyone's guess.

      The idea behind the help desk is to give people a mental picture of a
      room full of cubicles and a staff of 20 working non-stop in 12 hour shifts
      trying to catch up. Expecting you to be patient is not too much to ask
      is it? No, not if the paint on that picture was oil and not watercolors
      fading away over time!! Pure speculation based on signs in evidence but
      not proven facts.
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  • Profile picture of the author MJThompson
    Originally Posted by Bobru View Post

    Just wondering if anyone has seen Keith Wellman's Automated Sales Formula yet...
    Yes, I was very impressed by the sales page, purchased the program, upgraded to the monthly member site, added the automated set-up feature, total investment = $497 one-time; $27 monthly hosting; $97 monthly member site.

    The sales page indicated that total set time is 3 hours. There are videos that are supposed to guide one through the set-up. Unfortunately, in my case, I had to submit several support tickets, which each took at least four hours for a response.

    I encountered too many issues that required submitting additional support tickets, since there is NO Phone support offered.

    The end result, after several days trying to get through the initial set-up, I am still not fully set-up, AND the last support tickets I submitted have NOT given me resolution to the specific problems I've encountered!

    Consequently, I have sent a certified letter by registered mail to Keith Wellman, to personally protest my situatiion. Since there is NO OTHER contact info given, and the support ticket option has failed, I am not a very happy camper. I will post results after Kieth hopefully replies.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mandarin
    My other half bought into the Automated Sales Formula 5 weeks ago, with the same experiences as Craig, MJThompson and many others. No access to the site for 3 days, after finally being able to get to the site and admin panel and spending a week on setting things up nothing seemed to work. Trouble tickets taking a long time to be answered, and when they were, it was clear that the support staff either did not read the tickets properly or they have no clue about the product. So much for 3 hours and away you go!!!!

    Now, my partner is no internet specialist, so thinking that he must have done something wrong he asked me (webmaster and systems analyst) to have a look at it and try to make it work. Clearly, the original setup, the setup which was deemed to be worth thousands and sold for 'only' $500, was delinquent in every possible way. Links did not work, videos did not load, autoresponder setup failed, Oops galore....... How Wellman could have sold this with a clear conscience is beyond me. After many trouble tickets and well needed enhancements the site is now working after a fashion, even though some video pages still need to be replaced because one product has been taken off the market and another one has sold out (this was known more than three weeks ago, but still no replacements) whilst a third skips to an oops page if the viewer - after having suffered the long video for what seems like 15 minutes - does not click on the 'instant access' button quickly enough. By Jove, the process was excruciatingly painful.

    The twitter syphon system, flag ship of the whole automation side of things, is now completely manual!!!!!!

    The BONUS SEO system, proclaimed to be free (as it turns out only if you pay for expensive hosting) and as easy as 1, 2, 3, is the most cumbersome and complicated article spinning and submission system I have come across. Yes, you read that correctly, it is article spinning and submission software, which is as close as it comes to SEO. You'd be lucky to make it work and get some backlinks. This system does absolutely nothing to optimize your site, automated or indeed manual. Oh....and this really is the hammer: at the very beginning of the video made by the creator of the SEO System Software, he actually tells you not to attempt to use it until you have finished you site completely and know what you are doing!!!!!!!!

    Customer service: slow, sloppy and incompetent.

    Rating: nuls points, zero. And this is without taking Wellman's cavalier attitude towards his customers into account.

    A class action sounds nice, but it is a long, drawn-out affair and needs a long list of people who can prove that they have been scammed. Is this system a scam? No, I don't think it is. It is a perfectly viable system if one is prepared to spend a lot of time on it and has a surplus of patience, goodwill and a willingness to suffer fools gladly. Sales pitch misleading? Yes, most definately. Is it worth to be drained of positivity and dreams for the sum of $500, and possibly some compensation if it comes to a class action at all?

    Then again, I did not buy into it, just evaluated the system from a webmaster's point of view.

    Wouldn't it be nice, though, for Wellman to personally write to all the buyers of this system, to apologize profusely and offer them all 6 months free hosting to compensate for the frustration, time lost and having taken them for a ride? Ah well, I haven't seen pigs fly either.
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    • Profile picture of the author A Bary
      The same drama again and again

      I hope some day people will listen and stop giving their money to this person.
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      • Profile picture of the author CraigX
        Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

        The same drama again and again

        I hope some day people will listen and stop giving their money to this person.

        Yes, I agree unfortunately for me I just started coming to the warrior forum and wasn't aware of Keith's shading dealing prior to purchasing.

        I always check this forum now for what others have to say.
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  • Profile picture of the author B3n
    Does anyone use Google anymore? One quick search for the name "Keith Wellman" will bring up dozens of unhappy reports.

    Have a good read of the following website next time you fancy shelling out a load of money on some lame promises:

    Due diligence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    • Profile picture of the author MJThompson
      As promised . . . follow-up to my last post: It has been two weeks since I sent a certified letter to Keith Wellman's corporate office. A trace produced these results =

      Label/Receipt Number: 7113 1797 9250 4102 5907
      Class: First-Class Mail®
      Service(s): Certified Mail™
      Restricted Delivery
      Return Receipt
      Status: Notice Left

      We attempted to deliver your item at 4:16 PM on February 10, 2010 in MCDONOUGH, GA 30253 and a notice was left. You may pick up the item at the Post Office indicated on the notice, call 800-ASK-USPS to arrange for redelivery. If this item is unclaimed after 15 days then it will be returned to the sender. Information, if available, is updated periodically throughout the day. Please check again later.


      Since Keith, or a suitable representative can't even receive registered mail, I am left having to assume that this is his way of avoiding confrontation that might lead to soul searching.
      I am filing a complaint with the authorities and submitting a claim to my credit card for charge-back under the legal grounds of insufficient product marketability. I suggest that everyone else who experienced anything but complete satisfaction with ASF software do the same A.S.A.P.
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