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Frank Kern's - Good Karma List Machine

by Rodopi
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I was really keen to install and implement Frank Kern's Free - Good Karma List Machine Script but as i browsed the comments on Frank's website I came across the following comment:

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"Excellent product except not useful for Europe. The EU recently passed a law that forbid rewarding people that recommend your product to others by email. I guess they call it abuse of the electronic messaging systems. I personally call it a way to close free enterprise and marketing creativity. What can you do? Move I guess. Frank, is the apartment besides yours still free? So we can share out Internet connection! "
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Being relatively new to IM and Not wanting to break any laws; I thought I would post this in the Forum in an attempt to confirm whether this law exists or not; and too provide a heads up to other EU marketers.

Can anyone then confirm or otherwise deny that this EU law exists?

Many Thanks
Rodopi
#frank kern #good #karma #list #machine
  • Profile picture of the author danionescu
    I've never heard by this EU law. I'm also interested if it exist and apply only to European Union or all Europe.
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  • Profile picture of the author askloz
    Sounds like a load of BS to me, you can do what ever you want, for as long as one abides by the CANNSPAM regulations.

    BTW, that script ONLY works if you're with Aweber... sucks for those who are with icontact or getresponse.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
      Originally Posted by askloz View Post

      BTW, that script ONLY works if you're with Aweber... sucks for those who are with icontact or getresponse.
      I was surprised they didn't throw their affiliate links for Aweber into this promo. Would of added a ton of $$$. And I would of thought if people are going to sign up they wouldn't mind throwing them the affiliate commission.

      Frank's weird!
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      • Profile picture of the author TheGraduate
        Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post

        I was surprised they didn't throw their affiliate links for Aweber into this promo. Would of added a ton of $$$. And I would of thought if people are going to sign up they wouldn't mind throwing them the affiliate commission.

        Frank's weird!

        "The lion knows everything about how to hunt other wild animals"
        Frank knows that GEEKS only buy things is they really have to have them and they can't find ANY way around the purchase, but present them with anything that smells a little like an affiliate link and they will one of a sudden rather chose to be eaten by a beast than pay their way to safety. (geeks clean all their cookies before going to the Aweber website just to make sure that nobody gets a commission from their purchase)
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        • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
          Originally Posted by TheGraduate View Post

          "The lion knows everything about how to hunt other wild animals"
          Frank knows that GEEKS only buy things is they really have to have them and they can't find ANY way around the purchase, but present them with anything that smells a little like an affiliate link and they will one of a sudden rather chose to be eaten by a beast than pay their way to safety. (geeks clean all their cookies before going to the Aweber website just to make sure that nobody gets a commission from their purchase)
          I hear ya and agree. I just figured they'd provide two links.. a non affiliate link and a affiliate link that tells people they will get paid if they use it.

          Most would be more than happy to use their link after the amount of good stuff they've given away. Somehow I think they'll do okay anyway
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          • Profile picture of the author Tony M.
            Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post

            I hear ya and agree. I just figured they'd provide two links.. a non affiliate link and a affiliate link that tells people they will get paid if they use it.

            Most would be more than happy to use their link after the amount of good stuff they've given away. Somehow I think they'll do okay anyway
            Well I guess he just followed the simple reciprocity thing :

            If I sign up to Aweber using his referral link, then I'll feel relieved from the huge gift he's just offered to me. He makes ten bucks.

            If I can't reciprocate this way, then the only way I don't feel guilty to use the awesome tools and tricks... is by buying List Control.
            He makes two grand.

            Sounds like an easy choice to me
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            • Profile picture of the author danielmcclure
              Originally Posted by Tony M. View Post

              Well I guess he just followed the simple reciprocity thing :

              If I sign up to Aweber using his referral link, then I'll feel relieved from the huge gift he's just offered to me. He makes ten bucks.

              If I can't reciprocate this way, then the only way I don't feel guilty to use the awesome tools and tricks... is by buying List Control.
              He makes two grand.

              Sounds like an easy choice to me
              That's a good point, plus it demonstrates an abundance mindset. i.e. If he is throwing away all the affiliate commissions he could have earned from these then he must have the skills to pay the bills...

              I managed to lost the .zip I downloaded whene I went to install it however with all this talk of errors and laws against it perhaps it was for the best!
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              • Profile picture of the author Steve Miles
                I installed List Machine and spent 4-5 hours getting everything set up the way I wanted it. I tried to log in the next day and the password I set up didn't work.

                I thought it might be a fluke, so I removed everything my server, deleted the MySQL database related to the install, and re-installed. Well... I did that 4 times and kept having the same damn problem with this "$12,000" piece of software.

                I e-mailed Frank's support a few minutes ago. Let's see if I get any kind of response.
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                • Profile picture of the author PeterKnight
                  Hey Steve - I have the exact same problem. My client wants to use the script and I haven't been able to get it to work due to the login problem (and lost 2 hours in the process). Could you let us know if Frank's support sends you anything useful?

                  The other Frank Kern Listmachine thread got deleted, but it had several others reporting the same login problem.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Steve Miles
                    Originally Posted by PeterKnight View Post

                    Could you let us know if Frank's support sends you anything useful?
                    Here's the support manager's response:

                    "Yes, we've heard this from quite a few people, so we're having our programmer work on a fix - as soon as it's ready, we'll release it. Sorry for the hassle."

                    Originally Posted by Amanda_Davis View Post

                    If you didn't buy the course, you can't expect prompt support for free software while they're right in the middle of one of the biggest IM launches of the year!
                    I absolutely would expect support for free software that is given out during one of the biggest launches of the year. How can you say "I have techniques that will fix your list building challenge" and one of those techniques doesn't even work properly? I don't know about you, but if I didn't know who Frank was I sure woundn't have confidence in buying his stuff after losing hours of work from software that doesn't work properly. It's a credibility issue for me.

                    And if he or someone in his company never got back to me about it, what would make me think he's got the customer's best interest in mind?
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                  • Profile picture of the author jminkler
                    Originally Posted by PeterKnight View Post

                    Hey Steve - I have the exact same problem. My client wants to use the script and I haven't been able to get it to work due to the login problem (and lost 2 hours in the process). Could you let us know if Frank's support sends you anything useful?

                    The other Frank Kern Listmachine thread got deleted, but it had several others reporting the same login problem.
                    I was going to release a patch (on behalf of myself), but I found out that most of the code was most likely ripped off commercial software .. so no I'm not going to release one
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          • Profile picture of the author Glyn
            Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post

            I hear ya and agree. I just figured they'd provide two links.. a non affiliate link and a affiliate link that tells people they will get paid if they use it.

            Most would be more than happy to use their link after the amount of good stuff they've given away. Somehow I think they'll do okay anyway
            Hey I'm with Jason. The Good Karma program looks amazing and IF you are like me and don't already have a list or use aweber I don't mind providing a little value for value.
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        • Profile picture of the author Thoma$
          Originally Posted by TheGraduate View Post

          "The lion knows everything about how to hunt other wild animals"
          Frank knows that GEEKS only buy things is they really have to have them and they can't find ANY way around the purchase, but present them with anything that smells a little like an affiliate link and they will one of a sudden rather chose to be eaten by a beast than pay their way to safety. (geeks clean all their cookies before going to the Aweber website just to make sure that nobody gets a commission from their purchase)
          I agree and i did it quite a few times myself even if it doesn't make sense:

          1/ You don't lose any money
          2/ If you purchase, doesn't the person who referred you diserve a little something too ?

          Some time ago I was very happy about an offer so I kept the cookie because I was grateful to the guy and wanted him to be rewarded for that. A couple weeks later, I did clear a cookie because the product I was buying had been promoted to me through email spam and I hate this. It was a good product but still, this kind of promotion doesn't diserve any reward (it would be encouraging it anyway).
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      • Profile picture of the author askloz
        heehe, all nice guys with lots of money are weird / eccentric thou?

        kidding aside.. :p

        Does he really need the money?

        nah, just another way of him saying "I'm a nice guy, im not gonna give you an affiliate link, try this, use my software and kick some butt with my cool listing building stuff"

        mind you, you know him better than anyone else here since he's ya buddy...


        btw, how's your travels getting on, i see you were off to Las Vegas in ya RV, did ya hit the casinos?

        p.s
        hope your sister is doing much better and congrats on her getting a job
        Hope ya win the competition, St Judes could do with the extra help


        Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post

        I was surprised they didn't throw their affiliate links for Aweber into this promo. Would of added a ton of $$$. And I would of thought if people are going to sign up they wouldn't mind throwing them the affiliate commission.

        Frank's weird!
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    In the UK, there is a constant stream of misinformation about the EU. People don't like the faceless, bureaucratic, undemocratic system in Brussels and so tend to believe any tale with a "1984" tone to it.

    This sounds to me like a distorted version of the recent FTC ruling. If you're interested in the product, I wouldn't let this put you off.

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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    Even if it were true, how would they go about policing it? I'm in Paris and this doesn't faze me at all.

    BTW does anyone know how to adapt the script for GetResponse rather than eWeber?
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  • Profile picture of the author askloz
    Not sure Metronicity... i was thinking of asking my programmer to tweak it (btw, thanks frank )
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  • Profile picture of the author Thoma$
    I am trying to install the script but it says Failure, please check your information and try again. I double / triple checked my database info and it is 100% accurate. Franck said it had been developed to work with BlueHost, any idea why it may not work on my host ? Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rodopi
      Thanks for your replies guys.

      I think I'll give it a try; just peer over my shoulder every now and then ;-)

      I'm with Hostgator; don't really want to switch hosting so will attempt installation on there.

      Thanks again.

      Rodopi
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  • Profile picture of the author Thoma$
    Good luck with this, I tried with my host and had to open an account at bluehost just to make this work...
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    • Profile picture of the author dilio
      I wonder if it worked with blue host. I tried it with several hosts including blue host and none worked when trying to login as admin. It seems to not register a password, not even the default password works ('admin')
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  • Profile picture of the author Eric Graudins
    I couldn'd get it to work on my dedicated server either.
    The program uses the Smarty Templates system, which can be temperamental at times.
    There also seems to be quite a few permissions issues to solve.
    So, I guess Blueshost is the easy option if you weant to use this script.

    One other thing:
    AWeber says that "Tell A Friend" type scripts
    "are not in any way permitted for use with AWeber."
    (see Tell A Friend Forms Are Not Opt-In )

    Wonder how they regard the use of Frank's script, as it uses AWeber to send out the original message, which then diverts to the Tell A Friend script?

    cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author askloz
      Good Q, cos it's a bit of a thin line.

      Cos really people sign up to receive either a) information, or b) a free product, so what does it matter if you (the admin) referred them, or others referred them?

      hmmmm :rolleyes:

      Originally Posted by Eric Graudins View Post


      One other thing:
      AWeber says that "Tell A Friend" type scripts
      "are not in any way permitted for use with AWeber."
      (see Tell A Friend Forms Are Not Opt-In )

      Wonder how they regard the use of Frank's script, as it uses AWeber to send out the original message, which then diverts to the Tell A Friend script?

      cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author Zero
      Originally Posted by Eric Graudins View Post

      I couldn'd get it to work on my dedicated server either.
      The program uses the Smarty Templates system, which can be temperamental at times.
      There also seems to be quite a few permissions issues to solve.
      So, I guess Blueshost is the easy option if you weant to use this script.

      One other thing:
      AWeber says that "Tell A Friend" type scripts
      "are not in any way permitted for use with AWeber."
      (see Tell A Friend Forms Are Not Opt-In )

      Wonder how they regard the use of Frank's script, as it uses AWeber to send out the original message, which then diverts to the Tell A Friend script?

      cheers,
      Eric G.
      Viral Friend generator has been around a few years and no complaint ever came up about that.
      I suppose we can just ask the founder of Aweber, since he is a member on this forum.
      I'll post him a PM directing him to this topic and we'll clear it up.
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    • Profile picture of the author jminkler
      Originally Posted by Eric Graudins View Post

      I couldn'd get it to work on my dedicated server either.
      The program uses the Smarty Templates system, which can be temperamental at times.
      There also seems to be quite a few permissions issues to solve.
      So, I guess Blueshost is the easy option if you weant to use this script.

      One other thing:
      AWeber says that "Tell A Friend" type scripts
      "are not in any way permitted for use with AWeber."
      (see Tell A Friend Forms Are Not Opt-In )

      Wonder how they regard the use of Frank's script, as it uses AWeber to send out the original message, which then diverts to the Tell A Friend script?

      cheers,
      Eric G.
      Frank's form is just fine, in no way does it have the user input his FRIENDS email addresses and send out more emails from the server to get the friends to sign up.

      So My Subscribers Can't Refer Others to My List?

      They can, and we do recommend that you take advantage of referral/word-of-mouth marketing, but you need to do it in a way that still gets everyone's permission before you start emailing them.
      What we recommend as an alternative is adding a section to your messages that:
      • Encourages Subscribers to Pass the Message to Others
      • Tells People How to Sign Up to Your List
      That way, your subscribers can forward your messages themselves to their friends, rather than generating a message sent by you through some sort of form.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thoma$
    Yes right, I had to change the permissions first to install it on my host. Then I couldn't connect to the database so I just created an account at bluehost.

    As to this Aweber info... now that I have opened an account at BH just for this, I guess i'll just pretend I don't know...
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  • Profile picture of the author StoneCS
    I see a couple people already mentioned using Getresponse. I would like to be contacted if anyone has any good ideas how to modify it. Not a programmer, but I can cut & paste. There must be a fairly easy way to change it, since it's such a simple script.

    Can't believe he paid $12K for it. They must have seen him coming. He could have probably got it a lot cheaper using one of his aliases. But, to him, I guess that's just pocket change.

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  • Profile picture of the author naplesdave
    I don't agree with the TAF opinion at Aweber, but they're entitled to it. I'm still wondering how something can be called Good Karma if it doesn't work after you install it (you can't get back in the admin panel) and there is zero documentation now that the video has been taken down.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zero
      Originally Posted by naplesdave View Post

      I don't agree with the TAF opinion at Aweber, but they're entitled to it. I'm still wondering how something can be called Good Karma if it doesn't work after you install it (you can't get back in the admin panel) and there is zero documentation now that the video has been taken down.
      He will be releasing it again soon as the launch is over. He had a new security patch created for it along with a patch to correct some other problems.
      I downloaded the video, so I'll upload them and give you a link hopefully in a few hours.
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  • Profile picture of the author georgeglass
    I want to install this and have the .zip file but now the install video has been taken down... any advice on this?
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    • Profile picture of the author mezloh
      Well this Good Karma List Machine generated a lot of traffic for Frank and now that he made all the money on his new launch the free tool he gave away is being ignored it seems.

      But the argument will be, why complain it was FREE, right?

      It would be a nice little script to use to build a list though, its just too bad it don't work and there is no update or any mention of it being on the radar for being updated.
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    Installation instructions in Text Form:

    http://www.jesusp.com/45/frank-kerns...n-instructions
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  • Profile picture of the author Zero
    Here you go. It took a while but i finally uploaded the installation video. You can download it here:
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    • Profile picture of the author mezloh
      Just a heads up ZERO. Your video link is unavailable on Megaupload.

      Did you get confirmation from Frank that he is going to put this back up or is that speculation about the fix and re-release?

      BTW: thanks for the info on the install instructions etc.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeff Baer
        The video download worked like a charm for me. Is this a waste of my time to try until this is fixed?
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      • Profile picture of the author Zero
        Originally Posted by mezloh View Post

        Just a heads up ZERO. Your video link is unavailable on Megaupload.

        Did you get confirmation from Frank that he is going to put this back up or is that speculation about the fix and re-release?

        BTW: thanks for the info on the install instructions etc.
        Its working fine for me.

        Also, he said so himself in the karma list machine security alert topic in the main marketing forum. He's probably gonna do it as soon as List Control closes down.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dar2Live
      Hey Zero,

      Thanks for the installation video. I have been looking for it ever since it was taken down.

      Cheers,
      Darren
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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    Has anyone got this running on other hosts?

    Are there any rights limitations on this? i.e. could one have their own programmer modify it or were there restrictions on it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
      I've installed it on Kiosk servers. You just have to know what file permissions need to be changed. As for the rights, you only have the rights that were expressly given to you which means personal use only and you do not have the right to edit the code in any way.

      Originally Posted by LB View Post

      Has anyone got this running on other hosts?

      Are there any rights limitations on this? i.e. could one have their own programmer modify it or were there restrictions on it?
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      • Profile picture of the author jminkler
        Originally Posted by Johnny Slater View Post

        I've installed it on Kiosk servers. You just have to know what file permissions need to be changed. As for the rights, you only have the rights that were expressly given to you which means personal use only and you do not have the right to edit the code in any way.
        Personally I don't think anyone has the right to even use it ...
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  • Profile picture of the author mezloh
    I wiped out the database and deleted the files from my server and then reinstalled.

    It worked but then I couldn't not paste any html into the front page box. I logged out to see what would happen and sure enough. No way back in.

    It failed again. So I guess it is just a waiting game until the working version is released.

    Pretty disappointed in something that was pumped up as being coded for $12,000 but then again it was FREE right?
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  • Profile picture of the author Amanda_Davis
    I would leave it until well after the launch. If you didn't buy the course, you can't expect prompt support for free software while they're right in the middle of one of the biggest IM launches of the year!

    If you DID buy the course, an updated and improved version of the script (with additional features) will be made available to you very soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author PeterKnight
    Thanks Steve!
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  • Profile picture of the author Zero
    List control is shutting down today isn't it? I'd probably expect to see the patch being released sumtime in the weekend.
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  • Profile picture of the author Craigd
    Yes, mezloh
    I also got i installed on Hostgator everything seemed to be working fine.
    But when I went to log in the next day user name and pass would not work. :-(

    Anyone get theres up and running and can give a review
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    • Profile picture of the author mezloh
      Originally Posted by Craigd View Post

      Yes, mezloh
      I also got i installed on Hostgator everything seemed to be working fine.
      But when I went to log in the next day user name and pass would not work. :-(

      Anyone get theres up and running and can give a review
      I also had a problem with the front page form field in the back end not allowing you to paste in html.

      It kept stripping out the code and just pasting in the text.

      Taking the advice from a popular internet marketer. "Beware of Shiny Objects" .
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      • Profile picture of the author ebony76
        Hi folks,

        I never realized that I'd be searching for one of Frank Kern's videos as I did his good karma list machine one but I really wanted to see how to setup to set it.

        When I originally watched the video, I thought cool and that I would get back to it but didn't know he'd be so quickly pull it off.

        Luckily I found the script and got it installed on my host but I'm stuck at the Aweber configs. I'm new to all of this and just got Aweber a few days ago so what are values for:

        Aweber Merchant ID:
        Aweber Merchant Form:

        ??

        Glad I found this forum as well during my search.. looks like this will be an amazing resource!

        Cheers!
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        • Profile picture of the author Zero
          Originally Posted by ebony76 View Post

          Hi folks,

          I never realized that I'd be searching for one of Frank Kern's videos as I did his good karma list machine one but I really wanted to see how to setup to set it.

          When I originally watched the video, I thought cool and that I would get back to it but didn't know he'd be so quickly pull it off.

          Luckily I found the script and got it installed on my host but I'm stuck at the Aweber configs. I'm new to all of this and just got Aweber a few days ago so what are values for:

          Aweber Merchant ID:
          Aweber Merchant Form:

          ??

          Glad I found this forum as well during my search.. looks like this will be an amazing resource!

          Cheers!
          Here's the installation video you can download if it'll be of any help:
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          or if you don't want to go through the video you can just read the text installation of it
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          • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
            How will this compare to Norman Freemans Viral Inviter - which I havent bothered to upgrade over hte last year as .. well it didnt do it a lot for me.

            Granted thats more on me that Viral Inviter.
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          • Profile picture of the author T2007
            Hi there,

            Does anybody know how to uninstall Good Karma List Machine? I got it up and it's messing up my whole site... I'm not that technical so I rather go without. Can't find it either through FTP or Cpanel... what is the name of the php file so I can delete it? Please advise.

            Tammy
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          • Profile picture of the author jminkler
            Originally Posted by Zero View Post

            Here's the installation video you can download if it'll be of any help:
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            or if you don't want to go through the video you can just read the text installation of it
            Frank Kern's "Good Karma" Video Installation Instructions | Products
            ^^^^^^^^^----- Illegal
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            • Profile picture of the author Zero
              Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

              ^^^^^^^^^----- Illegal
              In what way is that illegal? Its just the installation tutorial which was freely avaiable on his site b4 it got taken down. Nothing illegal about making it avaiable for people who want to be able to install it. I doubt Frank would even care.
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              • Profile picture of the author jminkler
                Originally Posted by Zero View Post

                In what way is that illegal? Its just the installation tutorial which was freely avaiable on his site b4 it got taken down. Nothing illegal about making it avaiable for people who want to be able to install it. I doubt Frank would even care.
                Cause it was never his to begin with, aren't you reading the thread??
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      • Profile picture of the author Tony M.
        Originally Posted by mezloh View Post

        I also had a problem with the front page form field in the back end not allowing you to paste in html.

        It kept stripping out the code and just pasting in the text.

        Taking the advice from a popular internet marketer. "Beware of Shiny Objects" .
        Well, if you're trying to paste HTML as in "I select text on a web page and copy and then try to paste it into the textarea", then yeah, it won't work.

        If you do it as Frank shows on the video, and you copy the HTML *CODE*, as in "i hit the Show Source Code button in my browser, copy the code, and then paste it",
        then it should work.

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    • Profile picture of the author hypnot
      I have found that my Hostgator sign in sometimes goes AWOL.
      Used their online chat and resolved it, but never found out wht.
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  • Profile picture of the author CcKilian
    Thanks for the text info Zero... much appreciated.

    Now I don't have to go through the video again to re-setup! I hope they fix the login bug soon enough!
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  • Profile picture of the author jminkler
    All,

    This is an FYI for the ListMachine script

    "The zip provided is essentially a pirated version of SocialEngine, stripped down of some features. The distribution of it is illegal and is a violation of our terms of service.

    In order to use it, a SocialEngine commercial license is required. We will be contacting the vendor providing this file with a cease and desist order.

    Noam
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    • Profile picture of the author LB
      Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

      All,

      This is an FYI for the ListMachine script

      "The zip provided is essentially a pirated version of SocialEngine, stripped down of some features. The distribution of it is illegal and is a violation of our terms of service.

      In order to use it, a SocialEngine commercial license is required. We will be contacting the vendor providing this file with a cease and desist order.

      Noam
      SocialEngine.net"
      Are you saying this is referring to Kern's product?
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      • Profile picture of the author Eric Graudins
        Originally Posted by LB View Post

        Are you saying this is referring to Kern's product?
        So it would appear.
        The waters get muddier still.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary McLean
    What a great thread!
    Thanks all.

    Regarding the "Tell a Friend" script...
    When you send out your e-mail to a friend with that on it & your friend adds their friends names to the list...don't they just get an "info e-mail from the friend who sent it, about your stuff as a "suggestion"...like Word of mouth about a great movie etc"?

    Wouldn't it be up to the friends to submit their first request for more info form to you, via Aweber, wait for the confirm e-mail, click that & then become an opt-in subscriber to your list?

    That's how I thought it worked.

    He distinctly said the software was designed to work with Blue Host & Aweber.
    There's a line I'm sure I read somewhere, where it said that it was for "your personal use only"

    He's a clever marketer for sure & one I admire greatly.

    He nails it with his mindset about how we really must know our markets desires & prepare our products to deliver appetizers, the step by step results towards their desires.

    I enjoyed the info he gave out, for free!
    No where else in the world would you be able to get this type of info from any business about how they operate, other than the internet!

    Thanks so much Frank Kern.
    Thanks everyone on this thread too.
    I have learned heaps.
    Kindest Regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Kennedy
    Hi,

    First post.

    I too saw FK's listbuilder product a week or 2 back and promised myself to give it a go but was disappointed that it had been taken down.

    Thanks Zero for uploading the instruction video but has anyone got the .zip file or knows where to get it?

    Cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author Null-11
      Originally Posted by Cliff_Truss View Post

      Hi,

      First post.

      I too saw FK's listbuilder product a week or 2 back and promised myself to give it a go but was disappointed that it had been taken down.

      Thanks Zero for uploading the instruction video but has anyone got the .zip file or knows where to get it?

      Cheers
      I'm not sure what your asking for, just Frank's videos or the course itself?

      Anyways, I have all the videos and downloads from Franks List Control launch and I'd be glad to upload them for you.

      Here's what I've got:
      • Both Good Karma list machine videos
      • The 4 day cash machine vid
      • Core Influence 1 & 2
      • Mysterious Stranger Video
      • And Franks actual pitch videos (LC pitch, Core Influence Pitch, etc.)
      • All the downloads (Good Karma List Machine, 4 day cash machine download)
      • Also got an interview call with Frank and Andy Jenkins that took place during the launch

      Just PM me or email me at if your interested.

      P.S. - If anyone else is interested in these materials I'd be more than happy to share the love.

      **EDIT**
      I've been getting a ton of PMs about Frank's Good Karma List builder. Unfortunately, I can't reply to your PMs because I don't have 50 posts yet. Please include your email when you PM me otherwise I won't be able to send you Frank's files.
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  • Profile picture of the author MChriston
    The big question for me is whether he's released the fix yet for the admin login problem... does anybody have it?

    Ta,

    M
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Miles
      Originally Posted by MChriston View Post

      The big question for me is whether he's released the fix yet for the admin login problem... does anybody have it?

      Ta,

      M
      I wrote them yesterday, they said sorry for the delay, and it shouldn't be much longer. We'll see.
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      • Profile picture of the author MChriston
        Originally Posted by Steve Miles View Post

        I wrote them yesterday, they said sorry for the delay, and it shouldn't be much longer. We'll see.
        Thanks Steve - let's hope he can squeeze it out while still keeping busy with his new List Control customers. After all, many of them are going to want a copy anyway!
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        • Profile picture of the author Amanda_Davis
          Originally Posted by MChriston View Post

          Thanks Steve - let's hope he can squeeze it out while still keeping busy with his new List Control customers. After all, many of them are going to want a copy anyway!
          GKLM 2.0 is being released to List Control customers... don't know if it's coming out for non-customers though.
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          • Profile picture of the author MChriston
            Originally Posted by Amanda_Davis View Post

            GKLM 2.0 is being released to List Control customers... don't know if it's coming out for non-customers though.
            Hey Amanda, thanks for this. It seems you have the inside edge on this one... if/when you hear of public release it'll be great if you could post something here.

            Do you know if he'll also be killing the rumour about the supposed "cease-and-desist"?

            (I'm just thinking long term about using 100% legal software which I don't suddenly have to stop using one day. I have always loved Frank's stuff and would be hugely surprised if there's anything to the rumour - but you gotta check these things in business...)

            Thanks,

            Michael
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  • Profile picture of the author Amanda_Davis
    Frank's busy with the List Control product at the moment, so it probably won't be right away.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amanda_Davis
    I'll post if I hear anything about a patch.

    I don't know any details about the cease and desist, but I do know that Frank used a design/build firm to produce the software, so any problems would stop with them and not Frank's company.
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    • Profile picture of the author LB
      Originally Posted by Amanda_Davis View Post

      I'll post if I hear anything about a patch.

      I don't know any details about the cease and desist, but I do know that Frank used a design/build firm to produce the software, so any problems would stop with them and not Frank's company.
      I don't want to derail this thread or speculate on the allegations...but if code was used illegally then anyone using it could be held liable. Including those distributing it or using it on their site. Everyone from the coding company to Frank to individual users could be affected.

      Again, these are just allegations so we don't if there is any truth to them. But it's not correct to think that the problems stop at the coders.
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  • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
    I'm developing a free clone of the GKLM - if this is of interest to you you might want to look at this thread
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post1914089
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenellis
    I used the video posted by Frank (and re-posted by someone on this forum...kudos for that!) and had my entire site up and running in less than 2 hours. I haven't had any trouble logging in to my Admin account over the last week, and I've run a few test emails through the system to make sure it works ok. Everything seems fine as far as I can tell. So I'm a little confused on why some of you are having all this trouble with the GKLM? Could it be hardware/software compatability issues on your own machines?
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    • Profile picture of the author MChriston
      Originally Posted by Glenellis View Post

      ...So I'm a little confused on why some of you are having all this trouble with the GKLM? Could it be hardware/software compatability issues on your own machines?
      At a guess, and to the best of my limited techie knowledge, its the difference between PHP4 (the language in which GKLM is written and not always suppported by hosting companies) and PHP5 (the more standard and supported version).

      Have PHP4 support on your host, all is well. Have PHP5 (and not PHP4) and all is not well.

      So hopefully GKLM2.0 will be PHP5 friendly.

      But hey I could be talking complete nonsense... so if any super-tech wants to correct me... feel free!
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      • Profile picture of the author jminkler
        Originally Posted by MChriston View Post

        At a guess, and to the best of my limited techie knowledge, its the difference between PHP4 (the language in which GKLM is written and not always suppported by hosting companies) and PHP5 (the more standard and supported version).

        Have PHP4 support on your host, all is well. Have PHP5 (and not PHP4) and all is not well.

        So hopefully GKLM2.0 will be PHP5 friendly.

        But hey I could be talking complete nonsense... so if any super-tech wants to correct me... feel free!
        I doesn't work cause it's hacked together... Yes the allegations are real, just look at the code and google for "SE_Admin" .. you'll quickly see that SE stands for SocialEngine ..
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Miles
        Originally Posted by MChriston View Post

        So hopefully GKLM2.0 will be PHP5 friendly.
        Looks like it is not. If you don't use Blue Host you're S.O.L. (Sh** Out of Luck)
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        • Profile picture of the author T2007
          Originally Posted by Steve Miles View Post

          Looks like it is not. If you don't use Blue Host you're S.O.L. (Sh** Out of Luck)
          Hostgator and Blue Host have the exact same platform and cPanel... just in case anybody wants to know
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          • Profile picture of the author Steve Miles
            Originally Posted by T2007 View Post

            Hostgator and Blue Host have the exact same platform and cPanel... just in case anybody wants to know
            Whether they do or not... it doesn't work on Hostgator. I know from first hand experience. I wasted HOURS of work because it didn't work and I couldn't log back in. You can try it yourself, but I'm warning you.
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            • Profile picture of the author mezloh
              You could have saved yourself hours of frustration if you read this thread from the beginning before you tried to install this "Giveaway"

              It doesn't work at all so don't plan on it working unless you paid 2K to be a member of his latest launch. Then you will be lucky enough to get a working version.

              If you want a better solution that is FREE and actually works when you install it email me.

              I do not want to post a link in this thread.
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              • Profile picture of the author Steve Miles
                It's funny how Frank believes in "full disclosre" but hasn't said a word to anyone who has download the software that it doesn't work with web host that don't support PHP 4. Not a word, and people are wasting their time with that software.

                Originally Posted by mezloh View Post

                If you want a better solution that is FREE and actually works when you install it email me.

                I do not want to post a link in this thread.
                If you're talking about Viral List Machine, I alread have it. Any other solution, please PM me. This site will not allow me to send PMs because I haven't made 50 posts. (weird)
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                • Profile picture of the author jminkler
                  Originally Posted by Steve Miles View Post

                  It's funny how Frank believes in "full disclosre" but hasn't said a word to anyone who has download the software that it doesn't work with web host that don't support PHP 4. Not a word, and people are wasting their time with that software.



                  If you're talking about Viral List Machine, I alread have it. Any other solution, please PM me. This site will not allow me to send PMs because I haven't made 50 posts. (weird)
                  It works fine on all hosts ... that is .. if you fix the admin login issue .. php4 code CAN run on php5 hosting .. which bluehost is .. and nearly EVERY other host ..

                  The problem is that it's not Frank's code to give away .. his developers Ripped it off from SocialEngine .. therefore, in order to use GKLM you MUST have a SocialEngine license
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                  • Profile picture of the author Augydog
                    Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

                    It works fine on all hosts ... that is .. if you fix the admin login issue .. php4 code CAN run on php5 hosting .. which bluehost is .. and nearly EVERY other host ..

                    The problem is that it's not Frank's code to give away .. his developers Ripped it off from SocialEngine .. therefore, in order to use GKLM you MUST have a SocialEngine license

                    To login you need to create the new password in lower case letters only. For both the Shoemoney and Kern versions.
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                    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                      Hi, l was able to get a free copy of this a while ago, l can't access the main screen at the moment. But off the top of my head if you type in "admin" then "admin" again it should allow access to the pages or "your code" then "admin".

                      The software works quite well so it is worth mucking around with, and just use the login page text box as a test for the pages that you can't see after burning all your emails.

                      And be careful it tables, (keep everything in a small space in the middle of the screen) for all the pages except the download page, so if you put something on there it may be a mess because it won't center it.

                      Good luck.

                      P.S. I almost forgot to say that l have used this with Hostgator without any hassles apart from the fact that if you have several websites with them and try to install it on any site it will basically destroy the PHP. script on the primary site for all the pages except the home page, so it is strongly advisable to create a new account and install it on the primary site.

                      I can still use the wrecked site, but there is no SEO on any of my pages except the home page, and the PHP side of the site doesn't exist, although the sitebuilder part works fine.

                      Shane.
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      • Profile picture of the author jminkler
        Originally Posted by MChriston View Post

        At a guess, and to the best of my limited techie knowledge, its the difference between PHP4 (the language in which GKLM is written and not always suppported by hosting companies) and PHP5 (the more standard and supported version).

        Have PHP4 support on your host, all is well. Have PHP5 (and not PHP4) and all is not well.

        So hopefully GKLM2.0 will be PHP5 friendly.

        But hey I could be talking complete nonsense... so if any super-tech wants to correct me... feel free!
        Partially correct. php5 is backwards compatible. The problem is the script is broken. After you reset the password you can't get back in.
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  • Profile picture of the author hardline
    Hmmm... the script isn't counting new confirmed signups as confirmed referral's. Anyone know why? (programmers?)
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  • Profile picture of the author Zero
    Any updates on when the new 1 is gonna be released??
    Cheers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    It will only be available to buyers from what I've read. Don't expect any updates. It was a launch hype-builder and nothing more. Looks for copycat scripts soon with better features. I'm sure they're around the corner soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Baer
      I received an invite to ShoeMoney today shoemoneyx.com
      He has the aweber sign-up box and his viral script works like a charm as I tested it to 5 email accounts I own. I received the aweber double opt-in emails, the thank you for referring emails and the free gift email.

      I haven't watched Good Karma video in over 30 days, but from what I remember Shoemoney ran smoother & easier and WORKED. What is Shoe using??
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  • Profile picture of the author Amanda_Davis
    There's a completely new re-coded version being released to List Control customers.... has loads more options, auto-responders, etc
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary McLean
    I think Frank did a good job with his idea to give valuable teaching & some stuff away.

    It's a shame the gizmo let him down.

    I find him to be an outstanding marketer, who I can learn sooo much from.
    He appears reputable & a great mentor, so I see no need to doubt his integrity with a FREE gizmo mishap!

    Depends upon one's skill levels I guess, is when you take advantage of something like Good Karma or not.
    It left me wayyy behind!

    I enjoyed the better gift much more...
    4 day Cash Machine.
    I learned heaps from that sequence.

    I also like the videos he gave away too.
    Took notes, wrote a short overview of the whole "customer know & love" idea he put forth & this has changed my life!

    Good one Frank!

    Good Karma will come...
    Kindest,
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  • Profile picture of the author T2007
    Does anybody know if the GKLM can be added to an already existing landing page?
    And if so... how?
    Thanks!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Tony M.
      Originally Posted by T2007 View Post

      Does anybody know if the GKLM can be added to an already existing landing page?
      And if so... how?
      Thanks!!
      Just take the text you used to have on the old landing page, and paste it into the home page of your Good Karma List Machine.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mary McLean
    Aren't Hostmonster & Blue Host owned by the same guy?

    Would it be wrong to assume then, that they both have the same platform & C-Panel?

    Amazing stuff you pick up along the way...

    Thanks all!

    Kindest,
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  • Profile picture of the author brunski57
    Originally Posted by Rodopi View Post

    I was really keen to install and implement Frank Kern's Free - Good Karma List Machine Script but as i browsed the comments on Frank's website I came across the following comment:

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    "Excellent product except not useful for Europe. The EU recently passed a law that forbid rewarding people that recommend your product to others by email. I guess they call it abuse of the electronic messaging systems. I personally call it a way to close free enterprise and marketing creativity. What can you do? Move I guess. Frank, is the apartment besides yours still free? So we can share out Internet connection! "
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    Being relatively new to IM and Not wanting to break any laws; I thought I would post this in the Forum in an attempt to confirm whether this law exists or not; and too provide a heads up to other EU marketers.

    Can anyone then confirm or otherwise deny that this EU law exists?

    Many Thanks
    Rodopi

    When starting out... most of my offline ventures (as it relates to gov regulations, Lic etc) I function under the rule of "It is better to ask for "forgiveness " then "Permission". Once the venture has shown some promise... then I operate by the book.

    I have started several business on a shoestring, which grew to a nice size. And I have also dropped ventures which proved disappointing and I save thousands.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amanda_Davis
    A new version was always planned for List Control customers - with the additional features etc.

    No idea if he'll go back and issue a new version of the free software though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ianpaul
    HI,
    I've just got into IM and have tried quite a few things out over the past months.
    They all include promoting affiliates so lets hope that the supposed law against it is just another Euro un-policeable idea.
    I wonder who comes up with these things ?. It seems to be one a day at the moment !

    Chin up everybody !!
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  • Profile picture of the author excoder01
    Yea, it's Viral List Machine.

    If you want to see a demo of how customizable it is, just PM me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary McLean
    Actually, in the installation tutorials he was VERY insistent that it may not work on other hosts, but did work on Blue Host & that was the only one he could recommend.

    He went on & on about that point.

    I hope it all works out for him, as he was trying to help everyone.

    Just shows you tho...We don't know everything about a subject; yet anyways!

    Reminds me of my friend this week,with a bit of knowledge in that area, she gets a new tool & goes ahead, using her own skills, not looking at the tutorials provided & wondered why there are problems with the new product & totally missed the added benefits the new tool was made to produce...

    Kindest,
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  • Profile picture of the author Glyn
    Anyone know if you can use the program with weebly.com?

    I cant send PM's just yet but I'd love to get my hands on a viral list list solution program.
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  • Profile picture of the author excoder01
    You just need a webhost with PHP 5/MySQL to install ViralListMachine (much better than GKLM).
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingZen
    Anyone know of any good alternatives to this yet with proven track record?
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  • Profile picture of the author excoder01
    Labno,

    Try Viral List Machine
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  • Profile picture of the author excoder01
    You can try VLM.

    Here's a comparison of GKLM vs. VLM

    Feature Comparison ViralListMachine vs. Good Karma List Machine (GKLM) ViralListMachine
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingZen
    Thanks for this anyone got a site with this being used?
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    • Profile picture of the author excoder01
      Originally Posted by Labno View Post

      Thanks for this anyone got a site with this being used?
      http://ez.com/weeklyplr - notice that powered by VLM....the incentive is to get the Webmaster's reseller package.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingZen
    Just checking (VLM) it out, seems a little confusing in that if i was wanting to get the viral bribe how would i send the referal e-mail to my friends other than manually? like isnt there a place where i can put say 5 of my friends e-mails or is this off the mark?
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  • Profile picture of the author excoder01
    Labno, sounds like you want a "Tell A Friend" script. There are tons of free scripts like that. Try hotscripts.com
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingZen
    Thanks ex, ye i come across mikes one looks decent Viral Friend generator - Tell A Friend Software - Viral Marketing Software anyone used?
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingZen
    I realise I am high -jacking this thread but thought i would share what i have found when looking a little deeper, has anyone heard of Viralinviter - The Most Badass Traffic Software Out there. looks really good and incidently frank kern talks about it in the video on the site and filsame raves about it too. Does look good and filsame obviously believes its better than his own product judging bty the video!
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  • Profile picture of the author excoder01
    To be honest, all those will just boost traffic you already have. Like, if you got 5K visitors a day, it will boost it to 7K a day.

    But if you got little to no traffic, I don't think those "viral" script will help at all.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Graudins
      Originally Posted by jillsummmers View Post

      good karma machine works..
      I don't think that anyone cares any more whether it works or not.

      cheers,
      Eric G.
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      The biggest curse of the internet is that almost everything can be automated.



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