Good Karma Machine clone

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Although I like Frank Kern's Good Karma Machine it doesn't have all the features I'm looking for so I started to create my own version of his program. I'm not going to use any of the original code due to the "unknown license" so I'll have to create it from scratch and I think I've implemented about 30% of the code already.

Should work on every server supporting PHP 5 and MySQL (no PHP 4 support as its no longer maintained).

I'd like to get your input on which features you'd like to see in there so I could implement them.

I'm actually planning to release the version for free and maybe offer a very limited amount of PLR and source code licenses later, but currently I'm just looking for some features you've been looking for in the GKM.

Appreciate your input on this
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    It should work with more autoresponders than just Aweber. Get Response, Imnica, and others.
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    • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
      Thanks for your input.
      As I'm not using any of these I could need your help in getting some form HTML codes and stuff like that. I'll research what exactly I need and come back to you later.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      It should work with more autoresponders than just Aweber. Get Response, Imnica, and others.
      I would like that too because I am an aweber fan and I also am a Frank Kern fan
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    More autoresponder services, multiple levels of rewards.
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    • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
      I'll add any suggestions here from now on:
      - multiple levels of rewards
      - AR: Get Response
      - AR: Imnica (Richelo Killian)
      - AR: Mailchimp (RussRave)
      - step-by-step instructional video for installation and use that was as easy to follow as Frank's
      - reset everyone's referrals back to 0
      - easy customization, templates
      - add images to pages instead of just creating page with only text (image upload?)
      - "forgot password" option

      Thanks for all the suggestions. Any more?
      I'm just listing these here right now - I don't promise to implement all of these but I'll try
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      • Profile picture of the author Shane Hale
        Originally Posted by saschakimmel View Post

        I'll add any suggestions here from now on:
        - multiple levels of rewards
        - AR: Get Response
        - AR: Imnica (Richelo Killian)

        Any more?
        lol I was planning on doing these but and add the multi levels of rewards. That should be cool. I will be looking forward to the outcome of this. I'll just wait on this one to be released. Thanks for doing this for the community!
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve Miles
          I'd like the ability to reset everyone's referrals back to 0.

          I had the idea of using a site to offer multiple free bribes. So when I add a new bribe, I'd like the ability to just reset everyone's referrals back to 0 (without having them to re-register again) so they need to refer X amount of people again to get it.

          This would get people referring again without having to set up a whole new site.
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          • Profile picture of the author BillyBee
            Thanks for doing this!!

            My only request is that you include a step-by-step instructional video for installation and use that was as easy to follow as Frank's. He did a nice job on that.
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            • Profile picture of the author market
              I would like an easy customization of the page(s). Maybe just a couple of templates to use, if that would be easier.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steve Miles
            Originally Posted by Steve Miles View Post

            I'd like the ability to reset everyone's referrals back to 0.

            I had the idea of using a site to offer multiple free bribes. So when I add a new bribe, I'd like the ability to just reset everyone's referrals back to 0 (without having them to re-register again) so they need to refer X amount of people again to get it.

            This would get people referring again without having to set up a whole new site.
            saschakimmel, any feedback on if my suggestion is possible?
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            • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
              Originally Posted by Steve Miles View Post

              saschakimmel, any feedback on if my suggestion is possible?
              Talking about setting referrals back to 0:
              I think this is a good idead but I'm not going to include it in the first version as I only wanted to create a better GKLM product which some important improvements.

              It is however included on the "VLM 2.0" list which I didn't plan to create initially but which I think will be very useful.
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              • Profile picture of the author Steve Miles
                Originally Posted by saschakimmel View Post

                Talking about setting referrals back to 0:
                I think this is a good idead but I'm not going to include it in the first version as I only wanted to create a better GKLM product which some important improvements.

                It is however included on the "VLM 2.0" list which I didn't plan to create initially but which I think will be very useful.
                It could either be setting referrals back to 0 or having a feature where if you want to add another reward (level) or content page to the site to get more referrals, in order for people to get access to it they'd have to refer another X amount of people. (Whatever you set.) This way you could add more content on a separate page and the link would show up in their reward section instead of setting up a completely new domain for the new content.

                I think making my second idea would work better than setting things back to 0.
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                • Profile picture of the author TheDragonsHeart
                  I have the karma list machine and i really think its a good idea to make some improvements. I have just seen the VLM screen-shots and it simply looks fantastic and it is a great job so far. Here are my suggestions

                  In my opinion many of the auto-response services on the net are a bit expensive especially if you get a huge list and haven't figured out how to make money yet.

                  It should support autoresponseplus.com which is the one some of the pros use to keep cost down and maximize profits as well as keeping list on their own server. To implement you can just contact the company maybe they are willing to help you.

                  There should be an optional ad on invite/send to friends button just type in the email addresses on the landing pages.

                  I dont know how it functions but besides customization of design on product and landing pages it should be easy to integrate/implement flowplayer.org if the referral bonus is a video.

                  By the way i would like to have one and test it when it is ready for that
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                  • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
                    Originally Posted by TheDragonsHeart View Post

                    I have the karma list machine and i really think its a good idea to make some improvements. I have just seen the VLM screen-shots and it simply looks fantastic and it is a great job so far. Here are my suggestions
                    Thanks

                    Originally Posted by TheDragonsHeart View Post

                    In my opinion many of the auto-response services on the net are a bit expensive especially if you get a huge list and haven't figured out how to make money yet.

                    It should support autoresponseplus.com which is the one some of the pros use to keep cost down and maximize profits as well as keeping list on their own server. To implement you can just contact the company maybe they are willing to help you.
                    I'll look into that. I've added it to my list
                    Actually you can keep the list on your own server if you're not using an autoresponder which is supported by the software. However, there is currently no way to export the user data other than accessing the database directly.
                    As I'm a techie I'm actually going to create a small script that imports the users into my own mailing list software but I'm sure this would be of interest to you as well. I'll think about it.

                    Originally Posted by TheDragonsHeart View Post

                    There should be an optional ad on invite/send to friends button just type in the email addresses on the landing pages.
                    I think this has not been implemented in the GKLM to prevent spamming as you server would be sending the messages. But this is definetly worth a look for VLM 2.0.

                    Originally Posted by TheDragonsHeart View Post

                    I dont know how it functions but besides customization of design on product and landing pages it should be easy to integrate/implement flowplayer.org if the referral bonus is a video.
                    You can edit the HTML source code directly and embed the Flowplayer code in it. Due to licensing restrictions I cannot include the GPL Flowplayer directly.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Steve Miles
                    Originally Posted by TheDragonsHeart View Post

                    It should support autoresponseplus.com which is the one some of the pros use to keep cost down and maximize profits as well as keeping list on their own server. To implement you can just contact the company maybe they are willing to help you.
                    Unless you or have someone else full time working with all of the ISPs, it's not worth it to send e-mail from your own server. Your e-mail will be delivered to the junk folder and the IP address of your server will get banned in a heartbeat. That's why software like Viral Friend Generator doesn't work so well.

                    Paying $20-$40 to a company like Aweber is a bargain to have someone working full time with the ISPs on deliverability.

                    Something like GKLM is so great because there's no e-mail sent on your end. The prospect posts your info for you on social media sites or sends e-mail for you through their own account.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glenellis
    Definitely add more space for us to work in...be able to add both text and video, similar to a normal squeeze page. Franks stuff only allows 6-7 lines of 12 font text before everything starts to overlap.
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    • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
      Originally Posted by Glenellis View Post

      Definitely add more space for us to work in...be able to add both text and video, similar to a normal squeeze page. Franks stuff only allows 6-7 lines of 12 font text before everything starts to overlap.
      Of course I'll do that The problem occurs with GKLM because it's using absolute positioning rather than the normal "flow of elements".
      No overlapping guaranteed
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  • Profile picture of the author Russell Hall
    What about including Mailchimp autoresponder?
    It's my AR of choice and has some terrific features plus WordPress integration!
    If you can swing it I'm in
    Cheers,... terrific project,.. great initiative taken!
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      Originally Posted by Justin Mandel View Post

      I would like to see the ability to add images to pages instead of just creating page with only text!
      Thanks, I've added it to the list. Very useful feature. This means that you need to be able to upload images or reference them.
      I've added it to the list but I can't promise to implement this in the first version.
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Wheeler
    Sounds good. You should be getting us all on a mailing list Sascha cos I am not sure I will find this thread again!

    One thing that would be useful is to have on the login page an option for forgot password. I say this as a frustrated GKLM user who cant log back in again!
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    • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
      @justinw: Great idea, thanks. Haven't though about that one yet. I've added it to the list.

      A mailing list would be great, I'm looking into this. Stay tuned.

      I just uploaded 3 screenshots showing some of the areas in the admin area:
      ViralListMachine

      And now back to programming the system
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      • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
        I'm currently implementing AWeber support (I'm not a copycat and I found these fields used in the GKLM which are posted to AWeber.

        Does anybody know exactly what they are for and if they are required?

        - custom signup_template (Email template for which mail?)
        - custom site_title
        - meta_split_id
        - meta_tooltip
        - meta_redirect_onlist

        Appreciate your help
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I don't know what any of that is, I'm not a programmer, but Richelo might be able to tell you, or Johnny Slater. I just wanted to say the screen shots look good!
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    • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      I just wanted to say the screen shots look good!
      Thanks - maybe I'll have finished development till easter.
      Might be a great easter gift.
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  • Profile picture of the author kyleb
    Kind of on the same subject.

    Do you have a link to the Good Karma Download?

    I got the link for it back when Frank sent it and then never downloaded it

    Anyways if anyone can post the link to it I would greatly appreciate it.

    Thanks!

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    • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
      Originally Posted by kyleb View Post

      Do you have a link to the Good Karma Download?
      I got the link for it back when Frank sent it and then never downloaded it
      Kyle
      Sorry, the original link no longer works. It worked for some time even after ListControl was sold out but I think uploading the original GKLM somewhere now might be a "unknown license violation".

      Maybe you'd also want to wait a bit till my "better clone" has been finished?
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  • Profile picture of the author rondo
    It shouldn't need to integrate with any particular autoresponder. If you track thankyou pages it should work with them all.

    I think the best feature you could offer is a HOSTED solution so users don't need to install any pesky scripts. Charge a small monthly fee for access. I'm suprised nobody's done this yet.


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    • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
      Originally Posted by rondo View Post

      It shouldn't need to integrate with any particular autoresponder. If you track thankyou pages it should work with them all.
      Technically that's possible but the problem is that the user himself needs to post the signup form to the autoresponder website which then redirects him back to your own site.

      Doing this on the "Thank You" page would still require the user to click on a button and submit the form to the autoreponder site.
      I think this is because of legal reasons to prevent spamming.

      I think the best feature you could offer is a HOSTED solution so users don't need to install any pesky scripts. Charge a small monthly fee for access. I'm suprised nobody's done this yet.
      I like that idea but just imagine Frank Kern busting your servers with a single email he's sending to his list. Maybe the website should be "hosted in the cloud"? (like Amazons CDN)
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      • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
        Just created a Twitter Account for the ViralListMachine:
        ViralListMachine.net (virallistmachin) on Twitter

        Any input is appreciated
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      • Profile picture of the author jminkler
        Originally Posted by saschakimmel View Post

        I like that idea but just imagine Frank Kern busting your servers with a single email he's sending to his list. Maybe the website should be "hosted in the cloud"? (like Amazons CDN)
        Huh? The emails are still sent from the email provider ...

        You could do this as a phar package
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        • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
          Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

          Huh? The emails are still sent from the email provider ...
          I'm not talking about the emails, I'm talking about offering this as a hosted solution for a monthly fee. If you've then got an internet marketer with a huge list that starts to send out thousands of emails your *web* servers are literally flooded with requests by people clicking on the links in the emails.

          That means when offering a hosted solution you need to have a very robust system of multiple servers that can handle thousands of requests per second just in case you've one customer with a huge list even when most of your "hosted customers" send just a couple of users to your site per second. So you need to have a server farm that's capable of handling thousands of requests on standby idling around most of the time just in case this may happen.

          And if the HTTP requests come in you just can't stop them so I think it's a rather complicated server farm you'd need if I were to offer VLM hosting.
          That's why I'm not planning to offer a "hosted VLM solution".

          Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

          You could do this as a phar package
          Yes, I could, but most people don't know what a phar package is and it would be harder for them to install than just unpacking a ZIP file.
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  • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
    For any autoresponder VLM should support I need at least one HTML signup form which should redirect the user after subscribing to http://www.virallistmachine.net/test.php.
    So whichever autoresponder you wish to have support in VLM I'd be happy if you could send me some HTML code for.
    Otherwise I have to regret that I can't implement a specific autoresponder - no code, no implementation

    Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
      Originally Posted by stan1111 View Post

      I would suggest not to go overboard with the features. ... Maybe one feature could be from one account you could control all the offers from different websites (URL)
      Hi Stan, thanks for your input.
      However I think that feature will not be integrated in this product, maybe in a later version as this would require a different database and system structure.

      However, you can install multiple instances using the same database which is not possible with the original GKLM
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  • Profile picture of the author mezloh
    This is looking really great. I cannot wait for you to finish this. For that matter I cannot wait to help you spread the word about it.

    Franks version was a complete let down. you seem to be focused on a legit piece of software which is nice.

    Thanks for thinking of us little guys that are striving to make a living online.
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    • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
      Originally Posted by mezloh View Post

      This is looking really great. I cannot wait for you to finish this. For that matter I cannot wait to help you spread the word about it.

      Franks version was a complete let down. you seem to be focused on a legit piece of software which is nice.

      Thanks for thinking of us little guys that are striving to make a living online.
      Thanks for your encouragement
      Spreading the word is great as I currently only have a very small list as I just started in IM not so long ago. Prior to that I've created many successful websites since 1996 but there was no list building involved.

      My goal is to provide a much better and more useful version than the original GKLM is. And it'll be available for free (probably only for a limited time though).
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      • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
        Sorry, folks.
        Currently I haven't implemented any autoresponder at all because nobody sent me the HTML code for a form for his favored autoresponder service which redirects to http://www.virallistmachine.net/test.php with the user data posted back to that URL (just like Frank showed how to do with AWeber in the GKLM video).

        As I'll be giving away the system for free I'm not going to sign up for any autoresponder service just to add support for it.

        Any help is appreciated!
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by saschakimmel View Post

          Sorry, folks.
          Currently I haven't implemented any autoresponder at all because nobody sent me the HTML code for a form for his favored autoresponder service which redirects to http://www.virallistmachine.net/test.php with the user data posted back to that URL (just like Frank showed how to do with AWeber in the GKLM video).

          As I'll be giving away the system for free I'm not going to sign up for any autoresponder service just to add support for it.

          Any help is appreciated!
          Richelo Killian offered to help you integrate it with Imnica. You couldn't ask for better help, I think he owns the company or is at least a major player in it.

          Originally Posted by Richelo Killian View Post

          Would be happy to work with you to get Imnica Mail integrated.
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  • Profile picture of the author MChriston
    Just checked out the dev site - and... WOW! I can't wait to get my hands on it. Great job!

    I don't know if you are still taking suggestions - but the ability to use the 'machine' within an existing site would be great. For example, embed within a Wordpress blog. Don't know if that is technically possible, but it would be great if it is!

    Thanks,

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    • Profile picture of the author market
      I have an aweber account. Please let me know what you need and I will set it up within aweber.
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    • Profile picture of the author MChriston
      Hey saschakimmel - noticed you reviewed some other suggestions but might have missed mine... Is what I suggest below possible?

      Thanks - M

      Originally Posted by MChriston View Post

      Just checked out the dev site - and... WOW! I can't wait to get my hands on it. Great job!

      I don't know if you are still taking suggestions - but the ability to use the 'machine' within an existing site would be great. For example, embed within a Wordpress blog. Don't know if that is technically possible, but it would be great if it is!

      Thanks,

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      • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
        Originally Posted by MChriston View Post

        Hey saschakimmel - noticed you reviewed some other suggestions but might have missed mine... Is what I suggest below possible?
        [...]
        I don't know if you are still taking suggestions - but the ability to use the 'machine' within an existing site would be great. For example, embed within a Wordpress blog. Don't know if that is technically possible, but it would be great if it is!
        Oh, sorry, something weird must have happened. I know that I have replied to that but somehow I seem to have forgotten to send the message or something like that.

        Well, you can embed the system via an iframe in a WordPress blog. If you modify the templates and CSS you could actually make it appear as if it is a part of your blog.
        A full inclusion in a WordPress blog however would only be possible if it would be implemented as a WordPress plugin which it is not.

        Maybe I'll support this directly with a later version of the VLM.
        Anyways, thank you very much for your ideas and feedback
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        • Profile picture of the author MChriston
          Originally Posted by saschakimmel View Post

          ...Well, you can embed the system via an iframe in a WordPress blog. If you modify the templates and CSS you could actually make it appear as if it is a part of your blog.
          Thanks for the suggestion - sounds good to me!

          Originally Posted by saschakimmel View Post

          A full inclusion in a WordPress blog however would only be possible if it would be implemented as a WordPress plugin which it is not.

          Maybe I'll support this directly with a later version of the VLM.
          That would be awesome! I look forward to version 1.0 ...and 2.0!!!
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        Originally Posted by MChriston View Post

        Hey saschakimmel - noticed you reviewed some other suggestions but might have missed mine... Is what I suggest below possible?

        Thanks - M
        I totally agree. A WordPress plug-in based on the GKLM would be awesome. I want to be able to plug the process into an existing blog. Not interested in letting it drive the look and feel of my website.
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  • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
    Status Update:
    Help regarding AWeber is no longer required, Robert ("keyz") already created a form just a few minutes ago that I can use. Thank you, Robert!
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    • Profile picture of the author mezloh
      This is awesome. Looking forward to testing it out.

      I was about to see if you still needed the Aweber code but it looks like someone beat me to it.
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      • Profile picture of the author mezloh
        One question I did have I forgot to mention in my last post.

        Will you be including the PSD files to allow customization?


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        • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
          Originally Posted by mezloh View Post

          Will you be including the PSD files to allow customization?
          I would if I'd use PhotoShop at all.
          I've actually created all the graphics with PhotoImpact and I could include those graphics but I think this only makes sense with a PLR version, right?
          There are not many graphics at all in the system anyways - just the signup and login boxes and the buttons in the admin panel (well, and the page background of course).

          I think adding the source graphics to the personal license download is not something I'm going to do, but I'll maybe do it in a PLR version which I am thinking about releasing later.

          Anyways, all of the graphics are theme-specific and contained in the theme directory so changing them is relatively easy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    GetResponse API: API GetResponse DevZone

    Aweber Integration: Does AWeber Have an API? :: AWeber Knowledge Base

    I'd like to see a way to ban emails or domains. ie @test.com or test@test.com
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      Originally Posted by BlueSquares View Post

      GetResponse API: API GetResponse DevZone
      Whoa, that looks like a lot of text.
      A simple signup form posting the user info back to the confirmation page is sufficient though. I need an actual live form to implement and test the support for GetResponse.

      Originally Posted by BlueSquares View Post

      Thanks for the link. I'll check it out.

      Originally Posted by BlueSquares View Post

      I'd like to see a way to ban emails or domains. ie @test.com or test@test.com
      Great idea - I've added it to the "future features" list - I need to come to an end (feature freeze) very soon for the first version.

      Thanks anyways, highly appreciate your input
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Miles
    What I didn't like about GCLM was the graphics on the front page. I didn't fit the style of my other websites. I'd like the ability to have just a white background or customizable color.
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    • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
      Originally Posted by Steve Miles View Post

      What I didn't like about GCLM was the graphics on the front page. I didn't fit the style of my other websites. I'd like the ability to have just a white background or customizable color.
      VLM supports themes so you'd just have to do some CSS and HTML magic to get whatever you like
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  • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
    I'm currently planning to maybe release a feature-complete beta version tomorrow.
    There are just some smaller things still to do and I'm going to release it as a beta version because I cannot find out if it works on every server (with PHP5 and MySQL).
    It's not going to be a "20% complete" beta, rather a "95% complete" beta

    Currently I can only support AWeber as I didn't receive any more form code that redirects the user to http://www.virallistmachine.net/test.php.
    Whoever wishes to have his autoresponder supported needs to actually create a new list with his autoresponder just for me to test and implement the VLM integration.
    That's how I was able to implement AWeber support.

    I appreciate your input very much! Thanks for your great encouragement and help!
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  • Profile picture of the author CcKilian
    Just came across this thread, and it's looking fantastic saschakimmel!

    Thanks so much for taking the time to do this....can't wait to get my hands on the beta version!

    Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author Raja Kamil
    Here my suggestion.
    The edit part. Im not techie person, but I believe it is not that hard to put the editorial on the script itself, isn't it?

    So, it would be handy for us, to edit it anywhere even though we left our original coding.

    Just my 2 cents.

    PS: Still thinking, how that Good Karma will be better
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  • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
    I just wanted to let you know that I have given a select few people access to the software right now. The reason I've not yet released it officially is that there is no tutorial or video yet so there are no installation instructions available.
    That video should follow tomorrow (or in the late evening today, whatever your timezone I'll keep you posted. For up-to-date information you can follow @virallistmachin on Twitter

    Thanks for all your input!
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    it would be great if it worked with AR: Trafficwave also.
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  • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
    Hey folks, I just wanted to tell you that you can download the ViralListMachine right now for free on ViralListMachine Giveaway - Get Your Own Viral List Machine For Free For A Limited Time Only!
    I created more than an hour of detailed installation and setup videos for you as well which you can watch directly after signing up.

    Thank you again for all of your messages and suggestions, I'm going to add support for more Autoresponders within the next couple of days. And I'm going to reply to your private messages as well.
    I just spent many hours of the day (with some family time in between) creating the videos for you so please bear with me if something is missing, not working exactly as you like to have it or something similar.
    I appreciate your feedback and suggestions. If you encounter a problem please check if it can be resolved by watching the videos first

    Signing off for today,
    Sascha

    P.S. I didn't even have time to create a real video for the homepage, but maybe I'll add this in the next few days.
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    • Profile picture of the author jimmy047
      Getting an error on the database configuration screen:

      Could not insert a new row into the table. The server replied: "Table 'DATABASENAME.virallistmachine_settings' doesn't exist"
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      • Profile picture of the author jimmy047
        Just fixed the problem, list machine dose not work when i use my own prefix only works with virallistmachine_ as a prefix. Possible bug.
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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    Just thought I'd mention that your confirmation mail went to my spam folder. I'm not sure what service you're using to send it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
      I had the same issue. It looks like the email is one generated and mailed by the script so it was his server that sent the email out.

      Originally Posted by LB View Post

      Just thought I'd mention that your confirmation mail went to my spam folder. I'm not sure what service you're using to send it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raja Kamil
    am I wrong?
    The Frank Kern's script, like this, will ask user to refer the link only. Not asking the referal to sign up, isn't it?
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  • Profile picture of the author emon878
    Also I installed it in a folder so when logging in it redirects to /admin
    instead of /folder/admin.
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  • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
    Thanks for your feedback so far!
    Originally Posted by LB View Post

    Just thought I'd mention that your confirmation mail went to my spam folder. I'm not sure what service you're using to send it.
    I'm using not any autoresponder at all so my server sends it. But thanks for the info.

    Originally Posted by Raja Kamil View Post

    am I wrong?
    The Frank Kern's script, like this, will ask user to refer the link only. Not asking the referal to sign up, isn't it?
    In GKLM the referred user has to signup, it's counting signups as well - and VLM does so as well.

    Originally Posted by emon878 View Post

    Also I installed it in a folder so when logging in it redirects to /admin
    instead of /folder/admin.
    Thanks for the info. I already know that it doesn't work in a subdirectory currently and I'm actually mentioning that in one of the videos

    Originally Posted by jimmy047 View Post

    Just fixed the problem, list machine dose not work when i use my own prefix only works with virallistmachine_ as a prefix. Possible bug.
    This is fascinating because it always worked for me with any prefix.
    Just send me all of the info on the "System Info" page in the admin area via email or PM and I'll look into this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Miles
      To avoid customer service issues from everyone who installs this, I think you're going to want to implement a password recovery option. This way we don't have to get e-mails from people who have signed up asking for their passwords when they forget them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Gallery Sites
        Hey Sascha-
        Thanks for the free alternative to Kern's Good Karma.
        Looks pretty impressive.

        For a future addon, and for anyone else that wants to integrate an autoresponder
        into their existing database, this was a good tutorial I stumbled upon:

        Integrate Your Autoresponder using the POST method

        Hope this will be useful to others!
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      • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
        Originally Posted by Steve Miles View Post

        To avoid customer service issues from everyone who installs this, I think you're going to want to implement a password recovery option. This way we don't have to get e-mails from people who have signed up asking for their passwords when they forget them.
        Thanks, it's already on my list
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      • Profile picture of the author George Benson
        Originally Posted by Steve Miles View Post

        To avoid customer service issues from everyone who installs this, I think you're going to want to implement a password recovery option. This way we don't have to get e-mails from people who have signed up asking for their passwords when they forget them.
        Ditto Steve this is a great suggestion.
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  • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
    I just released Version 1.01 of the VLM which now support beings installed in a subdirectory. To install use the "Check for updates" link in the "System Info" section of the admin area to download the update to install over an already existing version or login on the giveaway site to download the full 1.01 release.
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  • Profile picture of the author mezloh
    Sascha,

    Are you going to set up a forum for this on your site? Just wondering where you would like to handle all the Q & A , wish list, feature request, etc.

    BTW, So far so good. It is working flawlessly so far.
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    • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
      Originally Posted by mezloh View Post

      Sascha,
      Are you going to set up a forum for this on your site? Just wondering where you would like to handle all the Q & A , wish list, feature request, etc.
      BTW, So far so good. It is working flawlessly so far.
      I've just updated the site - love to get your feedback there
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      Originally Posted by MChriston View Post

      1 - Question: I plan to integrate VLM into an existing website and system. Following your suggestion, the plan is to use iframes - when you have a moment, can you explain how to handle the sign-up and login via iframes. For example, if the existing website where VLM will be "embedded" requires login/username/etc as well, is there any way to pass user information to and from VLM?
      You can't pass the user information to the VLM but regarding iFrames - I'm going to look into this and get back to you - might take a couple of days though.

      Originally Posted by MChriston View Post

      2 - Quick suggestion for future release: Can you make it so we can edit the text beside the "Terms and Conditions" checkbox? I ask this as a friend of mine nearly shyed away from trying Kern's Core Influence because of the terms and conditions box. Basically, she needed more explanation than just "Accept terms..."
      That's easy - just change the text in this template:
      system/customize/tpl

      Originally Posted by thriftgirl62 View Post

      I thought the same thing when I saw Frank's "baby" script and guess what? I should have been here sooner because I have another one already finished but never set it up completely. I'll dig it up and see what the difference is...maybe you can use parts of it.
      Thanks, would be great!

      Originally Posted by thriftgirl62 View Post

      Is there any reason why you don't use AWS Cloud Computing so you can try all different configurations from the same place?
      Well, the reason is that I haven't though about it yet Thanks for the suggestion!

      Originally Posted by thriftgirl62 View Post

      There's also a Bookmarking Bribe Script I have never unzipped yet. I don't know how you had the time to do all that!! No TV, No Sleep, No ....nothing!!!
      No, just "no Easter", well, almost
      I just wanted to get it finished

      Originally Posted by naplesdave View Post

      Sascha!

      Awesome and great work on the videos as well! You should do more of this. You have a gift!

      Am going to install this later today and will report back.

      Thank you, thank you, thank you!
      You're welcome That's been my first videos ever where you can hear me talking. I was really shocked when I found out how long the videos had gotten

      If you haven't seen yet I have updated the website.
      If you like the ViralListMachine I'd appreaciate if you'd spread the word
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Miles
        I forgot to say "thanks". Your work is much appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author MChriston
    Software is Awesome!

    Two things...

    1 - Question: I plan to integrate VLM into an existing website and system. Following your suggestion, the plan is to use iframes - when you have a moment, can you explain how to handle the sign-up and login via iframes. For example, if the existing website where VLM will be "embedded" requires login/username/etc as well, is there any way to pass user information to and from VLM?

    2 - Quick suggestion for future release: Can you make it so we can edit the text beside the "Terms and Conditions" checkbox? I ask this as a friend of mine nearly shyed away from trying Kern's Core Influence because of the terms and conditions box. Basically, she needed more explanation than just "Accept terms..."

    Thanks Sascha!

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    • Profile picture of the author thriftgirl62
      I thought the same thing when I saw Frank's "baby" script and guess what? I should have been here sooner because I have another one already finished but never set it up completely. I'll dig it up and see what the difference is...maybe you can use parts of it.

      Is there any reason why you don't use AWS Cloud Computing so you can try all different configurations from the same place? There's also a Bookmarking Bribe Script I have never unzipped yet. I don't know how you had the time to do all that!! No TV, No Sleep, No ....nothing!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author naplesdave
    Sascha!

    Awesome and great work on the videos as well! You should do more of this. You have a gift!

    Am going to install this later today and will report back.

    Thank you, thank you, thank you!
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  • Profile picture of the author excoder01
    Thanks I plan to download and install it on my site!

    But it does it have a "lost password" feature yet?
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  • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
    Originally Posted by Steve Miles View Post

    I forgot to say "thanks". Your work is much appreciated.
    Thanks

    Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

    But it does it have a "lost password" feature yet?
    Not yet, but that should be included in a release within the next few days.
    Also looks like I'm going to release support for GetResponse.com as well on Wednesday.
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  • Profile picture of the author excoder01
    Ok, as a PHP programmer myself, I'm trying to edit it such that it can integrate on my existing squeeze page with my own custom form.

    But I want the form to include only "name" and "email" (like most optin form page) -- the "password" is a custom field for Aweber, which is randomly generated as a hidden field.

    This would require the users to create a another custom field "password" when creating their web form.

    Example:
    {autoresponder_field_password} = "custom email"
    {autoresponder_field_password} = "custom password"
    Code:
    <input id="sgnFrmPass" type="text" name="{autoresponder_field_password}" value="{signup_password}" />
    
    And the {signup_password} is generated randomly but a hidden value in the form.
    That way, in first autoresponder message, I can personalize the email to include password in the mail I send to them.
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    • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
      Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

      Ok, as a PHP programmer myself, I'm trying to edit it such that it can integrate on my existing squeeze page with my own custom form.
      Cool!

      Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

      But I want the form to include only "name" and "email" (like most optin form page) -- the "password" is a custom field for Aweber, which is randomly generated as a hidden field.

      This would require the users to create a another custom field "password" when creating their web form.
      Actually the password form is emptied by the JavaScript code prior to submitting the form to AWeber because I though "AWeber doesn't need to know the user's password for that site".

      Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

      Example:
      {autoresponder_field_password} = "custom email"
      {autoresponder_field_password} = "custom password"
      Code:
      <input id="sgnFrmPass" type="text" name="{autoresponder_field_password}" value="{signup_password}" />
      
      And the {signup_password} is generated randomly but a hidden value in the form.
      That way, in first autoresponder message, I can personalize the email to include password in the mail I send to them.
      [/QUOTE]

      Great that you've found a way to do that.
      I personally don't like pages that generate a password that I can't change (yes, I know, that's how the admin password is created ) so I didn't implement it this way.
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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    It would be great if that password was not asked for until the second page. Trust me, I've run millions of impressions through split-testing and I can confirm that asking for email alone always generates the most sign-ups. Asking for something like a password on the landing page will probably hurt conversions.

    It would be great if there was an option for an intermediary page after asking for just the email on the first page. It could say something like, "Thanks for subscribing, you're almost done!" "Now just choose a password to access your free content!"
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  • Profile picture of the author excoder01
    Ok, what's a simple edit so that I can include their "name" in the signup form?

    Also, do you mind if I send you a PM for help doing custom editing?

    All I want to do is -- have them enter "name" and "email" only...where "password" is a hidden field.

    The password is generated randomly.

    So, when they create their account in their auto responder, they will have to create 3 fields -- name, email, and password. But only the name and email fields are required. The password field will be inserted both into the VLM database and also in their autoresponder account.

    That way, I can send a personalize email displaying their password.

    In Aweber, it's a custom field...like <input type="hidden" name="custom password" ....
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    • Profile picture of the author naplesdave
      Yikes... I thought that it had to be in the root directory (according to the videos.) Didn't know it would overwrite my existing website. Ouch! Had to do some clean up work. :-(

      ...now putting it in a subdir.

      Sascha, I don't think anyone is going to put this in their main www dir. Might want to put a note in the Installation notes area on your site.

      Thanks again for this. Looks like it was a lot of hours on the keyboard. Much appreciated.

      ---Update---

      I installed it in a subdir... on a Host Gator typical cPanel install. Here's what it looks like:



      And when I click and see where my images are, this is the URL I get:

      http://www.threebestdogs.com/ebook/admin/www.threebestdogs.com/ebook/system/themes/default/admin/tab_setup_active.png

      Can that be fixed?

      Thanks!!
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  • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
    Originally Posted by LB View Post

    It would be great if there was an option for an intermediary page after asking for just the email on the first page. It could say something like, "Thanks for subscribing, you're almost done!" "Now just choose a password to access your free content!"
    That sounds logical to me, I've written it down though I think this would require many changes. I can#t promise to implement it though.

    Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

    Ok, what's a simple edit so that I can include their "name" in the signup form?
    Just add this to system/customize/signup.tpl:
    <div class="left">Name:</div>
    <div class="right">
    <input id="sgnFrmName" type="text" name="???" value="" />
    </div>

    <div class="clear"></div>

    Use the correct value for "name" for your autoresponder. Keep in mind that the name is not stored in the VLM database though.

    Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

    Also, do you mind if I send you a PM for help doing custom editing?
    Just send me a PM and I'll try to help.


    Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

    All I want to do is -- have them enter "name" and "email" only...where "password" is a hidden field.

    The password is generated randomly.

    So, when they create their account in their auto responder, they will have to create 3 fields -- name, email, and password. But only the name and email fields are required. The password field will be inserted both into the VLM database and also in their autoresponder account.

    That way, I can send a personalize email displaying their password.

    In Aweber, it's a custom field...like <input type="hidden" name="custom password" ....
    To add the password generation code you have to modify the index.php but keep in mind that you might experience problems with updates of the software (might overwrite your code).
    I think you can add any name you wish for the password field as long as you don't change its "id".

    Originally Posted by naplesdave View Post

    And when I click and see where my images are, this is the URL I get:

    http://www.threebestdogs.com/ebook/a...tup_active.png

    Can that be fixed?
    You forgot to mention that you're using Chrome (correct, isn't it?) That's really funny because it shows up correctly in both Internet Explorer and Firefox. So you might just want to use one of those browsers instead while I'm trying to find the root of the problem.
    I have never seen anything weird like this before!
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    • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
      I've just released V1.03 which fixes the problem in Google Chrome.
      Info and download here: ViralListMachine
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      • Profile picture of the author naplesdave
        Thanks Sascha - for the PM with the updated script. Will install today.

        Thanks again for the hard work.
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    • Profile picture of the author LB
      Originally Posted by saschakimmel View Post

      That sounds logical to me, I've written it down though I think this would require many changes. I can#t promise to implement it though.
      If you see a form on a page that says "password" most people will think, "oh, I don't have the password for this". It will destroy optin rates. All my products are not in IM but for the general public so it's important to keep things as streamlined and non-confusing as possible. I suppose the next best option would be not to ask for a password at all but to simply auto-generate one.

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  • Profile picture of the author excoder01
    What file do I edit so that my members do not receive an email each time they refer someone? Imagine if one of my subscriber refer 30 new subscribers a day -- that would be too much email.

    The same goes for the "Please activate your free account" email which I want to disable. I had edit a bit such that all users status are 'active" by default.

    Thanks!

    Also, I got a problem -- whenever I sign up, I get an error message.
    "A server error occured. Please try again later.
    Got error code 0 from server."

    The javascript/ajax hangs up?
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  • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
    Originally Posted by LB View Post

    If you see a form on a page that says "password" most people will think, "oh, I don't have the password for this". It will destroy optin rates. All my products are not in IM but for the general public so it's important to keep things as streamlined and non-confusing as possible. I suppose the next best option would be not to ask for a password at all but to simply auto-generate one.
    I completely understand that however I don't like auto-generated passwords the user can't change so I'd only implement it if a "change my password" option was available which currently is not.

    Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

    What file do I edit so that my members do not receive an email each time they refer someone? Imagine if one of my subscriber refer 30 new subscribers a day -- that would be too much email.
    Only if you set the required number of referrals above 30 - once a user has referred enough people to get the reward he's not going to receive any more emails about it. If he still does it is a bug and not intended.
    If you see that behavior please send me an email with your "System Information" included in it and I'll look into it.

    Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

    The same goes for the "Please activate your free account" email which I want to disable. I had edit a bit such that all users status are 'active" by default.
    Please understand that this is a free software and I'm not offering a free custom custom development service here.
    I'm trying to help and fix bugs whenever I can but please understand that I'm not going to support every request, especially if it's about disabling features which I think are important (like double-optin).
    Disabling specific emails make sense I think so I'm going to look into it.

    Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

    Also, I got a problem -- whenever I sign up, I get an error message.
    "A server error occured. Please try again later.
    Got error code 0 from server."
    Just send me the info on the "System Information" page and your URL via email and I'll look into it.
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      Boy you guys are busy, busy, busy... I looked for that script I had last year and haven't found it yet but I WILL today because I think it does some of what's been requested. It's probably lost up in the clouds. -

      In the meantime I found something else you should look at. I'll PM it to you so I don't get everyone off-topic unless you see what I see...then you can spill the beans if you want to!!
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    Awesome, thanks for creating this. I'm signing up for your list and will give this script a try.
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  • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
    If you'd like to have your autoresponder supported as well you can help me implement it - see here:
    Using Your Autoresponder With The VLM ViralListMachine
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  • Profile picture of the author Blaine Moore
    I signed up to download the software, but never got the email to confirm my address. (Not in the spam folder either.) I gave it at least an hour, I think 2, and it still hasn't arrived.

    Trying to sign up again only says there's an error, the email already exists in the system. (GKLM had this problem too.) There's no way to retrieve a lost password so I can't use that until it's implemented obviously.

    I've tried a few more times, once with a different email address that is more "standard" and once with the more "standard" email plus a password with no special characters to see if that makes a difference. (I was using an email that had address+sort@domain syntax which is valid but can break some sites, and the original password had a double quote in it.)

    Going on 10 minutes no email, will post back if one or 2 or all 3 emails ever show up.
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    • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
      Originally Posted by Blaine Moore View Post

      I signed up to download the software, but never got the email to confirm my address. (Not in the spam folder either.) I gave it at least an hour, I think 2, and it still hasn't arrived.
      I just checked the mail server log and found out that all of the messages have been sent to and accepted by the Google mail servers.
      I sent you the details via PM.

      Originally Posted by Blaine Moore View Post

      Trying to sign up again only says there's an error, the email already exists in the system. (GKLM had this problem too.)
      Sorry, that's not a problem, that's a feature because the email address is the login so it has to be unique! Even Facebook does not allow this.

      Originally Posted by Blaine Moore View Post

      There's no way to retrieve a lost password so I can't use that until it's implemented obviously.
      I'm planning to implement this but retrieving a lost password does not activate your account so you need in fact have the option to resend the activation mail.
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      • Profile picture of the author Blaine Moore
        Originally Posted by saschakimmel View Post

        Sorry, that's not a problem, that's a feature because the email address is the login so it has to be unique! Even Facebook does not allow this.
        I meant problem in that I can't request a new confirmation, not so much being able to create a new user name w/the same email address.

        I sent you an email that will hopefully get through to you w/more details; my post count isn't quite high enough here since I'm more of a lurker than a poster and I can't send private messages yet.

        Thanks again.
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  • Profile picture of the author RobJones
    Hi Sasha,
    I just send you an email regarding ARP integration.
    (I can't send PMs in this forum)

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Baer
    Congratulations!!
    Today I responded to shoemoneyx.com, who has a viral sign-up that integrates aweber. The "referrer" never has to login with a password to receive their reward.

    step 1 they sign-up with a name & email.
    Step 2 they are redirected to a page with unique url to refer friends
    step 3: refer friends using email client
    step 4: receive emails announcing you have referred a visitor when visitor clicks url
    step 5: after fifth referral , receive an email with a thank you gift.

    I NEVER had to login with a password. This seems a bit easier on the user and the graphics matched the website perfectly.

    Can I do this with your system?
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    • Profile picture of the author ToryMc
      Originally Posted by mickya1 View Post

      Congratulations!!
      Today I responded to shoemoneyx.com, who has a viral sign-up that integrates aweber. The "referrer" never has to login with a password to receive their reward.

      step 1 they sign-up with a name & email.
      Step 2 they are redirected to a page with unique url to refer friends
      step 3: refer friends using email client
      step 4: receive emails announcing you have referred a visitor when visitor clicks url
      step 5: after fifth referral , receive an email with a thank you gift.

      I NEVER had to login with a password.
      I just went and signed up for shoemoneyx.com after reading this and WOW, that's a pretty slick set-up! I wouldn't think it would be hard to change VLM over to something like that though that would be entirely up to Sascha. I noticed shoemoneyx.com doesn't require the user to "accept the terms and conditions" either. Very lightweight and effective script, imo.
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    • Profile picture of the author RobJones
      Originally Posted by mickya1 View Post

      I NEVER had to login with a password. This seems a bit easier on the user
      "Easier" does not automatically mean better.
      And who says that what you are suggesting is "easier" -- you?
      How have you come to that conclusion?

      It is well known (and tested) that for every field you add in your opt-in form, the opt-in rate will drop considerably (usually by 10-15%).
      And: Many *current* tests have shown that adding the name in the subject or in body text of marketing emails does not increase open rates and conversion (and can sometimes even *decrease* conversion).

      Well, is then the password field better than first name field?
      Yes, in this case it is much better.
      Why?
      Because it makes the whole thing much more believable in this case. That's why.
      More believable = more trust = more opt-ins & referrals = better bottom-line results.

      So, just because some shoemoney guy does it differently it does NOT automatically mean his system is better.
      And yes, I know very well who shoemoney is.
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      • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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        Originally Posted by RobJones View Post

        "Easier" does not automatically mean better.
        And who says that what you are suggesting is "easier" -- you?
        How have you come to that conclusion?

        It is well known (and tested) that for every field you add in your opt-in form, the opt-in rate will drop considerably (usually by 10-15%).
        And: Many *current* tests have shown that adding the name in the subject or in body text of marketing emails does not increase open rates and conversion (and can sometimes even *decrease* conversion).

        Well, is then the password field better than first name field?
        Yes, in this case it is much better.
        Why?
        Because it makes the whole thing much more believable in this case. That's why.
        More believable = more trust = more opt-ins & referrals = better bottom-line results.

        So, just because some shoemoney guy does it differently it does NOT automatically mean his system is better.
        And yes, I know very well who shoemoney is.
        With respect (and I tend to agree with you on both the less fields they have to fill in and the "password" issue) you're doing the same thing. You're saying "It is well known (and tested)". Who says it's "well-known and tested"? You? See what I mean?
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        • Profile picture of the author RobJones
          Originally Posted by Metronicity View Post

          You're saying "It is well known (and tested)". Who says it's "well-known and tested"? You?
          Yes, I am saying that.
          And also a couple of well-known and respected marketers like Ryan Deiss and Perry Belcher who tested this stuff to death.
          Oh, and why do you think did Frank Kern, the guy who released the Good Karma Machine, left out the name field?
          "He must have left it out because he just 'guessed' it would be better or because he was to lazy to tell that to his programmers."
          Right?

          Or did he leave the name field out because he wanted that all people using his Good Karma Machine would get less opt-ins?
          Oh, no, that would hardly be logical because he is using the same form with the same fields, right?

          So, even if you don't know anything about "well-known and tested" things,
          you can get pretty far just by using basic logic...
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  • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
    Not currently. Because the GKLM was so well received initially I've implemented the same signup system in the VLM:
    1) no name, only email + password
    2) VLM just like GKLM only supports double-optin subscribers, not single-optin and they have to confirm the signup and login to get the link.
    3) yes
    4) yes, but only if the user has confirmed his double-optin to your mailing list
    5) yes

    You can completely redesign the website to adapt it to your design as VLM is theme-based.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Baer
      sascha, thanks for quick reply. I will test VLM this weekend. How far away is wordpress plugin?
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  • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
    Free membership sites have a higher perceived value than free non-membership sites.
    That's why I think a password really makes sense (especially because the user can re-login to check the stats).
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony M.
    This is great.
    What about security ? Have you tested against SQL injections, cross site scripting and the like ?

    Tony
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    • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
      Originally Posted by Tony M. View Post

      This is great.
      What about security ? Have you tested against SQL injections, cross site scripting and the like ?

      Tony
      Hi Tony,

      I have *developed* the system so that it doesn't have SQL injections and XSS problems. I think the only way to create secure software is to think about security on every letter you're typing, not just checking it afterwards.

      Regards,
      Sascha
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      • Profile picture of the author jminkler
        Originally Posted by saschakimmel View Post

        Hi Tony,

        I have *developed* the system so that it doesn't have SQL injections and XSS problems. I think the only way to create secure software is to think about security on every letter you're typing, not just checking it afterwards.

        Regards,
        Sascha
        Run Google's skipfish against it.
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        • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
          Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

          Run Google's skipfish against it.
          If Google would release either a Windows version of it or a compilable source code (fails on compile, doesn't even contain a .configure file) for Skipfish maybe I would do that, but currently Skipfish is unsuable for me.
          Were you ever able to compile Skipfish?
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          • Profile picture of the author Steve Miles
            Sascha,

            Do you have a timeframe of when you're going to implement the password retrieval? I don't know how to retrieve them for people and they get really irritated that they have to re-register with another e-mail address and start over again just because they forget their password.
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            • Profile picture of the author saschakimmel
              Originally Posted by Steve Miles View Post

              Sascha,

              Do you have a timeframe of when you're going to implement the password retrieval?
              Version 1.05 including the password retrieval has just been released:
              ViralListMachine
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