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I made several sites promoting this, and i have to say the more i write about it, the more interesting it becomes to me myself.

The prospect making complete (wordpress) review sites with only a few clicks is, to say it mildly, VERY interesting.

One of the few marketing products which i will be getting myself.

Waiting for tomorrow (pre-launch) and really eager to give this an extensive test - beyond what's already known about it. I am especially interested how they handle the content spinning/filtering.

They say that multiple people can make a review site (clickbank etc.) about the same product(s) but no one will have duplicate content.

Exciting piece of software, IMO.

Anyone had a chance to beta test this, has it already and can report?

G.
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    first i have heard of it, just done a quick search and there seems to be 1001 review sites already for a product thats not even out yet. this Internet stuff sure works ahead of itself at times that is for sure.

    These people doing these review sites must be like seagulls at chips all chirping and squealing away for a share in the feeding frenzy to follow as the spare chips are thrown.

    I did read up in nano seconds so is it hosted on the main site per say ? time will tell i suppose.

    edit: I dare it will also be one one of thise packet mix n bake jobbies as well. and after cooking all you need do is add traffic.
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      • Profile picture of the author jonclaude
        I bought CB Predator 2 weeks ago!

        This software is amazing. You upload your file direct to your hosting account without deal Filezilla headached.

        From one hosting you can make many sites you want by the add doming system ( by the way they didn't make a video about add doming yet!). What you need is buy your domain name every time.

        But you don't have to promote clickbank products with cb predators you used cj too and much more...

        Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I understand it as you simply enter your FTP/host information and it uploads to your site/domain. Its basically like a wordpress installer, but it installs complete review sites.

    I am also pretty sure if it works like that you can ALSO use subdomains, so you can use ONE hosting and make sites with one hosting account, but on multiple sub domains.


    And jenny,

    you can get $2/months hosting with unlimited subdomains..so each subdomain would NOT cost anything. But if you really want 240 different domains, well then you have to buy them, simple as that. You cant blame this on CBPredators?
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  • Profile picture of the author darman82
    The CB Predators was live today, and i just received an email from Chris Fox that they just sold 208 of CB predators from his internal launch.

    any warrior who manage to buy it, any honest review will be great.

    -Andrian
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    • Profile picture of the author iw
      looks very tempting...Paul ponna offers $10 discount to his list with some great bonuses...ok...may be another few comments here, then to decide..
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      • Profile picture of the author richieu
        Yep, I bought it and the couple of upsells. Looks a lot to go through and promises much. I'll report back in a few days when I've had a chance to go through it all.

        ATB
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      • Profile picture of the author zaarenoc
        What is the url to Paul Ponna's newsletter please?

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        • Profile picture of the author iw
          Hey Doug:

          PM sent to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author wimbledonwoman
      I bought it - and the only things that were coherent were the upsells - lots of them. I could not open the first PDF (it was "damaged and not repairable") and the videos wouldn't buffer properly. I was pretty wary of hosting my sites on his server anyway, but after the initial non-start, I gave up and asked for a refund.
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  • Profile picture of the author niceweb
    i dont get it. You go to cb predators site, and all i see is a opt in page?
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    They just sent out their own list with the link not working <---

    CBPredators is live now!
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    • Profile picture of the author LIndaB
      Okay, there's something about this that doesn't quite add up for me. He keeps talking all through the sales page about how these sites only take 15 minutes to build, and then it's hands off. He mentions how many of these you can build in a day. Then down at the bottom where he mentions what you get, he says:

      Target any keywords you want, any products you want, and the Predator software will spit out a read-to-go site in just a couple of minutes. All you need to do is add content.
      That's where the glitch is. If you have to add content to these sites, then it will definitely take you a LOT more than 15 minutes to put them up. You won't be able to put up dozens of those a week as he says. Below that paragraph, he mentions that you do get 3 unique blogs a month. But that's just 3 sites, not dozens or hundreds.

      So it seems that this really is just quick site-building software. The content situation is always the problem with building a lot of sites quickly. You either have to write like crazy, or you have to do a LOT of outsourcing. There are a lot of different site-building software solutions you could buy that put up a site quickly. But it is always the content creation that is going to eat up the real time.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Nope, the key is you dont have to create content, as i understand you get this content delivered from them - you might be able to choose what you want and tweak here and there. Otherwise it would simply be a wordpress installer which it is not. Correct me if i am wrong.
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      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
        Originally Posted by pfsler View Post

        George, it's correct that you get the content for your site. The review text for the product is broken down into a few small text parts that you can either spin or rewrite yourself before uploading the page. So you can make the content of the site unique.
        yes i think that's what i saw in the videos.
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    • Profile picture of the author pascal van baal
      THIS PRODUCT IS TOTALY ****!!!!!DONT BUY!!!

      -You can only choose a few products(5)to promote,so 100's(or more)of the same new wp blogs every month's go online....
      -No training material
      -It's a "ok i bought it and now what"product targeted for newbies that get lost easily and probably bought the useless upsells that are WAYYY to expensive also!
      -the site that i created didn't even work!
      -You can not edit(or remove your site)in your site creation menu one's your site is build.
      -The only video is not indebd so you dont know what everything is for and what to fill in and why it's importend etc..
      -you have to rewrite/spin the content yourself!!WTF
      -asked for a refund
      -this product is totaly overhyped!!
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      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
        Originally Posted by pascal van baal View Post

        THIS PRODUCT IS TOTALY ****!!!!!DONT BUY!!!

        -You can only choose a few products(5)to promote,so 100's(or more)of the same new wp blogs every month's go online....
        -No training material
        -It's a "ok i bought it and now what"product targeted for newbies that get lost easily and probably bought the useless upsells that are WAYYY to expensive also!
        -the site that i created didn't even work!
        -You can not edit(or remove your site)in your site creation menu one's your site is build.
        -The only video is not indebd so you dont know what everything is for and what to fill in and why it's importend etc..
        -you have to rewrite/spin the content yourself!!WTF
        -asked for a refund
        -this product is totaly overhyped!!
        As i understand there is a limited number per user and not all users get the same site(s) - and did you actually spend TIME with it or did you come to this conclusion after 5 mins of "playing" with it?

        As for the spinning....even if its the case that you can choose from pre-spun patterns and then insert whatever patterns in your blog, it would STILL make blogs way, way faster than writing everything per hand.
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        • Profile picture of the author pascal van baal
          i played with it for 2hrs..
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          • Profile picture of the author warcher
            Originally Posted by pascal van baal View Post

            i played with it for 2hrs..
            You played with it for two hours? But their ad says you could be up & running in only 15 minutes!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gee S
    From watching one of the vids (when you leave the sales page and sign up for the free plugin) it's seems that you do need to add your own content.
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  • Profile picture of the author LIndaB
    Georg, according to the sales page, they only deliver 3 blogs a month on upcoming launches. That wouldn't be enough content for you to use for all those hundreds of sites you can supposedly build a month.

    There's nothing wrong with an easy site builder. But I think they should be a little clearer about what else you're going to have to do to make those sites work for you. Content is basically the biggest thing. It's not hard to put up a WP blog on your own in 15 minutes with Fantastico. If it takes another 45 minutes to get plugins installed and configured, that's not a big deal to me since by far the most time-consuming thing (or the most expensive) is the content creation.
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    • Profile picture of the author maverick4u
      According to their salespage:

      "Target any keywords you want, any products you want, and the Predator software will spit out a read-to-go site in just a couple of minutes. All you need to do is add content.

      (and keep reading to see how I'll help you out there too)"

      But then further down it says:

      "Every blog you make will automatically update itself with unique, custom written content. You don't need to waste time writing, because it's all done for you."

      My feeling is that they give you a WP installer that gives you a blog that is seo optimized and has some plugins that will help you with rankings and traffic. (a la Keith Baxter's stealth traffic plugin). You have to add the original content but then you can add your blog to a network like UAW or SEOlinkvine to get content added to it automatically.

      Could someone who has purchased CB Predators enlighten us as to what exactly is on the inside?
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulSch
    I noted in the disclaimer at the bottom of their sales page the dreaded word "ADWORDS".
    Is that what all this is about, or is it even part of the 'system'?
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  • Profile picture of the author HypnoHugh
    It does all sound too good to be true - likely to be a catch somewhere.
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    • Profile picture of the author pascal van baal
      Originally Posted by HypnoHugh View Post

      It does all sound too good to be true - likely to be a catch somewhere.
      If it sounds too good to be true it probably is,that is what a lot of people are saying and it realy is true!
      This product is misleading you all over,made to rip your cash out of your pocket and leave you in the cold after that.
      Better buy Google Sniper from George Brown!
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  • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
    hum I don't know perhaps, perhaps not, I'd like to see some more reviews
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    • Profile picture of the author Osahon Urubusi
      I got a link to this offer and read the sales letter a couple of times just to be clear what's being offered.

      Personally, I avoid any offer where it isn't clear the amount of financial commitment you're asking people to make. Offering a product at a price then indicating on the purchase page in light print that there is a monthly billing doesn't show intergrity. I understand it's a marketing gimmick, but it just isn't right IMO.
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      • Profile picture of the author pascal van baal
        Originally Posted by Salathiel View Post

        I got a link to this offer and read the sales letter a couple of times just to be clear what's being offered.

        Personally, I avoid any offer where it isn't clear the amount of financial commitment you're asking people to make. Offering a product at a price then indicating on the purchase page in light print that there is a monthly billing doesn't show intergrity. I understand it's a marketing gimmick, but it just isn't right IMO.
        I'm totaly with you!
        It's misleading.

        This product is only targeted for newbies who rush into these kind of things and expect to make a ton of money doing nothing at all,and forget that they pay a monthly fee and after 6 months they ask themself "hey where did that money go to?",after they checked there creditcard bill.
        The product owner and there affiliates are the one's that get the money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bcrewse1
      I found it interesting that the product creators didn't even shoot a short 3 minute video showing everyone what type of sites it is this software creates. If I created a product like what's being hyped, I would want to show it off to the entire world. Something to hide???
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      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
        Originally Posted by Bcrewse1 View Post

        I found it interesting that the product creators didn't even shoot a short 3 minute video showing everyone what type of sites it is this software creates. If I created a product like what's being hyped, I would want to show it off to the entire world. Something to hide???
        CB Predators Preview Video

        somewhere into 2:00 mins of that video you can see a site, but this is an early video and it seems he didnt put too much effort into making this demo site. You can also see that the sites are using wordpress and the flexsquezee theme. For me as someone who works with wordpress each day this is enough to know - i agree tho that he should have a video with some "kicka$$" looking site which looks a little more "exciting" than that one in the video.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
        Originally Posted by Bcrewse1 View Post

        I found it interesting that the product creators didn't even shoot a short 3 minute video showing everyone what type of sites it is this software creates. If I created a product like what's being hyped, I would want to show it off to the entire world. Something to hide???
        Maybe they have better conversion rates with the salespage
        as it is now, who knows.
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      • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
        Originally Posted by Bcrewse1 View Post

        I found it interesting that the product creators didn't even shoot a short 3 minute video showing everyone what type of sites it is this software creates. If I created a product like what's being hyped, I would want to show it off to the entire world. Something to hide???
        It happens a lot. They aren't the first and certainly won't be the last.

        But in all honesty, if you're selling software, the least you can do is create a demo video
        of the software doing what is promised in the sales copy.

        At least show it building 1 site.

        This is one of the reasons people jumped all over Amish's Magic Bullet System.

        He did a product demo of him using his software to build a site, build his payperclick campaign, and even optimize it later on.

        Whether or not people appreciated the software for what it was truly worth, a ton
        more people were willing to give it a try because they saw it doing it's thing prior
        to having to purchase instead of being left to wonder.

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  • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
    yeah that did make me wonder Bc I was expecting it too
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  • Profile picture of the author niceweb
    What about an actual demonstration of the product instead of these silly clickbank videos/screen shots?? So annoying.
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    • Profile picture of the author nuz
      Originally Posted by niceweb View Post

      What about an actual demonstration of the product instead of these silly clickbank videos/screen shots?? So annoying.
      I was thinking the same thing when I saw them. Why have that many videos and none show what the end product (the sites) look like?
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      • Profile picture of the author bethrobinson
        There probably wasn't a view of an actual site because there's not much to see. When you start out it's an unmodified use of the FlexSqueeze theme for Wordpress with the extra header hidden. You can see what that will look like by searching for the theme. The uploader doesn't add anything special to that, just starts you WP site out with the review page set at the front.

        I tried to install a custom site and two more templates. Only one of the latter was successful - and now my make template site button is gone even though I bought the platinum upgrade and should be able to make more than three sites per month. I've put in various support tickets for a few different things starting on 4/23, which haven't been answered yet.

        I was disappointed to discover how cookie cutter similar the affiliate reviews were. If I'm going to work from a template like that then I want to develop my own and not have to constant rewrite the darn thing in tiny chunks. It also looks odd if I have multiple reviews on folders in the same domain, like I was going to do for internet marketing products.

        I'm trying to hold myself back from asking for a refund until closer to thirty days so I can see ye magic traffic getting plug-ins first and comment on them. If it's just an autoposter, well, I already have a license to WP-Robot.... I wasn't able to attend tonight's webinar, so maybe they covered some of this stuff, but aaaargh.
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      • Profile picture of the author Adam Sussman
        Originally Posted by nuz View Post

        I was thinking the same thing when I saw them. Why have that many videos and none show what the end product (the sites) look like?
        If you have a look at this post by Martin Avis, you will find a couple of Martin' CBP sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulSch
    Whenever I see those clickbank shots these days I'm skeptical. I mean I can create those on my laptop in about 5 minutes.
    What really annoys me is all that hype, but they actually tell you nothing. You pay out your money for .............. what - a surprise that may not be anything like what has been 'described'. Yet another letdown.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clint Butler
    I like the concept, but I believe its pretty early and its clear that those of you that actually purchased it arn't exactly singing its praises yet. Having not purchased it I wouldn't presume to know what it does but I do know that I won't pay to beta test a product, which is essentially what is happening right now in my opinion. I would feel more comfortable if they made me pay an on time fee because then I knew for sure I was promoting whatever product I wanted. But I understand that they are providing "cookie cutter" content on a monthly basis for the products they decide are good to sell, so if you trust them to pick those products for you I guess paying them isn't too bad of a model.
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  • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
    hum clint not sure it's totally cookie cutter as they say they have duplicate content filters etc might give it a go...
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    This is certainly something you need to learn how to use right, and they say that even.

    >>

    If you think this product is a magic pill that will make you money without any effort please do not buy it.

    >>

    who rush into these kind of things and expect to make a ton of money doing nothing at all
    Where did you get the impression that anyone claimed you "don't need to do anything at all"...from all videos and reviews its (pretty) clear what its for and what it does. If there are naive people who think they can get a "system" which makes money without doing anything, it's those people's problem. Yes, i know that MANY people actually think so <--- But to be honest they shouldn't be in marketing in the first place....

    Those people are indeed better off simply going on some site like flippa and BUYING a ready site - instead of getting such a product where (God beware!!) you need to do a little to make your own web sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author stayfocused
    I like the line that comes right after the one you mentioned:

    "You will be required to put effort into learning this system and with Adwords there is a very real possibility you may lose money."

    I read through the whole sales page and the idea of using adwords wasn't mentioned once. Then in the fine print they throw this curveball in there?

    Either the course has to do with adwords or it doesn't. That should be something you talk about in the sales page.

    Just my thoughts
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    That adwords could be simply a leftover by mistake, or intentional. Don't know. Anyway, nothing wrong saying that you can lose money with Adwords, i do that all the time
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    • Profile picture of the author PaulSch
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      That adwords could be simply a leftover by mistake, or intentional. Don't know. Anyway, nothing wrong saying that you can lose money with Adwords, i do that all the time
      I agree with that George, but if it is to do with adwords wouldn't it have been better to have mentioned it somewhere in the sales letter, not tucked away at the bottom in pale grey text?

      This doesn't, for me, inspire a great deal of confidence in the product or their marketing technique.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    CB Predators doesn't have anything to do with adwords, however you are free to advertise your sites with adwords as you can do with any other sites.

    Furthermore...why would they need to write in BOLD and big letters "You can LOSE money with adwords?" if the product primarily has really nothing to do with it. Its an affiliate review site maker.
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  • Profile picture of the author murmel
    THIS PRODUCT IS TOTALY ****!!!!!DONT BUY!!!

    -You can only choose a few products(5)to promote,so 100's(or more)of the same new wp blogs every month's go online....
    -No training material
    -It's a "ok i bought it and now what"product targeted for newbies that get lost easily and probably bought the useless upsells that are WAYYY to expensive also!
    -the site that i created didn't even work!
    -You can not edit(or remove your site)in your site creation menu one's your site is build.
    -The only video is not indebd so you dont know what everything is for and what to fill in and why it's importend etc..
    -you have to rewrite/spin the content yourself!!WTF
    -asked for a refund
    -this product is totaly overhyped!!
    I bought this, but not the two upsells for $197(then$97) and another $67 (probably recurrent, but correct me, if I missed this).
    I was actually annoyed to see that the upsells promised you to get training, 4 more blogs per month, choice amongst "4-figure-selling" products, inner circle info from gurus/experts, Google traffic trick etc.

    My worries, that all these essentials for building lucrative sites are not given to the "average" member who has to pay $67 upfront, then $37 recurrent/month, were actually confirmed, when I entered the pretty empty looking entry-section.
    There is one very basic, rushed video about how to fill in essential info, meta tags, ftp details etc., when you want to create a new site.
    The review-content-template is broken into sections, so actually every phrase/sentence of the actual product review needs to be slightly (or totally) rewritten.
    In the video they don't show you where you could choose the template for the blog or where you could alter things, put images in etc.
    I am just left to assume I can enter my new blog hopefully via wordpress admin area and manage plugins, posts, pages, media, etc there.

    The promise on the sales page that this was a set-and-forget product is IMO just hot air.
    Where does the "average" member get traffic from?
    How will fresh content (that I as a member will apparently get from their writer team) be posted then?
    Are the left-over products (after all the platinum members got to choose the good ones) bringing in the same? Or less? Or far less?

    I did write to support about all these concerns I mentioned here.
    So, I will update you with their solution!

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    • Profile picture of the author Lifechanging
      Originally Posted by murmel View Post

      The promise on the sales page that this was a set-and-forget product is IMO just hot air.
      Where does the "average" member get traffic from?
      How will fresh content (that I as a member will apparently get from their writer team) be posted then?
      Are the left-over products (after all the platinum members got to choose the good ones) bringing in the same? Or less? Or far less?

      I did write to support about all these concerns I mentioned here.
      So, I will update you with their solution!

      Cheers,
      Check out your plugins on your site...

      PF Links

      Displays links from the PortalFeeder / TrafficKahuna Link Exchange program.

      MaxBlogPress Ping Optimizer

      Saves your wordpress blog from getting tagged as a ping spammer

      No Ping Wait

      Speeds up posting by moving generic pings to execute-pings.php


      And there are a few others.... IMHO they'll feed your site and using PF Links and then they'll ping it with the others, hoping that you'll ranks for the terms you optimised it on during setup.

      Hence the 15 minute setup claim followed by a hands off approach.

      Not sure how that will work with 100's of people promoting the same few offers... though with all IM products how many people actually get that far? Launch will be tight cause everyone will try but if you stick it out for the monthly releases they'll be less and less action takers; leaving those who really implement it to make some cash.

      BTW they are not talking mega bucks from each site, but you don't need much to cover your outlay.

      I agree with earlier posts reference needs more content in the members area, but if you have joined just chill and give it a few days; you have 60 to get a refund so don't sweat it... lots of launches start like this and then get going after a couple of days.

      Anymore questions just ask me
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      • Profile picture of the author workfromhomejobs
        Don't buy things you don't know what you're going to get. The Gurus say use video to make us sell things better. So where is the videos? Even in WSO seller demonstrate what they sell. And Unfortunately when it comes to clickbank it doesn't matter. Well to me it is just full of hype.

        The seller claim he made about 19,000/m let's make it 20,000/m for easy math. So if 1000 buys his system then 20,000/m divide by 1000 member = 20/m. The systems won't work because of that alone.

        But then again most of us just enjoy hypie things. It feels good to go with the wave doesn't it.

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        • Profile picture of the author pappyy3
          I had my suspicions about the quality of this product.

          Glad I read this review and have saved my money.

          * Very Hypey Marketing Tactics

          * Even the promotional efforts of the affiliate promotions wern't original. I got hundreds of emails from different sources .. all using the same headings (word for word), all using the same approach in the message body (word for word) and ...... all deleted

          * Impression I'm getting is that even the affiliates promoting this offer, don't know what the actual product offer is ??

          No thanks - steering well clear of this one unfortunately..
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          • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
            Originally Posted by pappyy3 View Post

            I had my suspicions about the quality of this product.

            Glad I read this review and have saved my money.

            * Very Hypey Marketing Tactics

            * Even the promotional efforts of the affiliate promotions wern't original. I got hundreds of emails from different sources .. all using the same headings (word for word), all using the same approach in the message body (word for word) and ...... all deleted

            * Impression I'm getting is that even the affiliates promoting this offer, don't know what the actual product offer is ??

            No thanks - steering well clear of this one unfortunately..
            As an affiliate i might have a certain bias, but this doesn't mean i would hype it up if i KNEW that it would be garbage.

            From reading the thread here i can NOT come to a conclusion in regards to the actual product - i see people complaining about lack of training, price of upsells, marketing techniques etc..etc.. (LOOK OVER THIS THREAD PLEASE!) None of the people is actually mentioning the actual PRODUCT respective whether it does what is being advertised, whether you can make sites with it as they advertise - and then of course the million dollar question whether those sites will then also make a lot of money

            As for the "hypey marketing" used....uhm...those are about the same style as i see with any other product daily in my inbox...in no way any different or more/less hypey. And please dont seriously think that upsells are a "new idea" which has just being introduced with CB Predators? Come on people.

            So...regardless of "affiliate bias" i dont think that some of the "conclusions" here are fair...for example dissing a product and saying it MUST be bad because you didn't like the emails sent or someone said he would like to have more training videos?
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            • Profile picture of the author pappyy3
              Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

              As an affiliate i might have a certain bias, but this doesn't mean i would hype it up if i KNEW that it would be garbage.

              From reading the thread here i can NOT come to a conclusion in regards to the actual product - i see people complaining about lack of training, price of upsells, marketing techniques etc..etc.. (LOOK OVER THIS THREAD PLEASE!) None of the people is actually mentioning the actual PRODUCT respective whether it does what is being advertised, whether you can make sites with it as they advertise - and then of course the million dollar question whether those sites will then also make a lot of money

              As for the "hypey marketing" used....uhm...those are about the same style as i see with any other product daily in my inbox...in no way any different or more/less hypey. And please dont seriously think that upsells are a "new idea" which has just being introduced with CB Predators? Come on people.

              So...regardless of "affiliate bias" i dont think that some of the "conclusions" here are fair...for example dissing a product and saying it MUST be bad because you didn't like the emails sent or someone said he would like to have more training videos?
              Yep, the methods used are not new - agreed

              The fact that a slight of hand type continuity approach to this product is also not new - agreed

              Gee - I should apologise for not sounding enthusiatic about reading 100 'cut and paste emails' in my inbox about the same product???

              Let's be honest, how motivated would you be if this happened to you??

              There's probably two ways to view this:

              1. Would you think wow there must be something to this, everyone's promoting it ??, OR

              2. Oh G*D ... not this **** again!

              Needless to say some heavy duty trimming of email subscriptions occured during this period as well

              I don't mind receiving useful and valuable information from the people I subscribe to, and these types of people will keep me on their lists and as a customer forever.


              I didn't say I dissed the product because of the emails. What I referred to was the enormous lack of originality in promoting it.
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    • Profile picture of the author novac
      Originally Posted by murmel View Post

      I bought this, but not the two upsells for $197(then$97) and another $67 (probably recurrent, but correct me, if I missed this).
      I was actually annoyed to see that the upsells promised you to get training, 4 more blogs per month, choice amongst "4-figure-selling" products, inner circle info from gurus/experts, Google traffic trick etc.

      My worries, that all these essentials for building lucrative sites are not given to the "average" member who has to pay $67 upfront, then $37 recurrent/month, were actually confirmed, when I entered the pretty empty looking entry-section.
      There is one very basic, rushed video about how to fill in essential info, meta tags, ftp details etc., when you want to create a new site.
      The review-content-template is broken into sections, so actually every phrase/sentence of the actual product review needs to be slightly (or totally) rewritten.
      In the video they don't show you where you could choose the template for the blog or where you could alter things, put images in etc.
      I am just left to assume I can enter my new blog hopefully via wordpress admin area and manage plugins, posts, pages, media, etc there.

      The promise on the sales page that this was a set-and-forget product is IMO just hot air.
      Where does the "average" member get traffic from?
      How will fresh content (that I as a member will apparently get from their writer team) be posted then?
      Are the left-over products (after all the platinum members got to choose the good ones) bringing in the same? Or less? Or far less?

      I did write to support about all these concerns I mentioned here.
      So, I will update you with their solution!

      Cheers,
      It was the sincere sounding email from CB Predators that 'sold' me. However, when I got inside I headed for support with the title of my ticket being 'Where IS everything?', with text following of course.
      Their reply was:
      Hello

      More videos and training materials are being created for the members area and are coming soon

      Regards

      In regards to what's written above, now that I've had time to think about it, there's some remorse going on here because without the platinum upgrade, what tid-bits will be left behind? These days I'm almost always ready, with the hair sticking out at the top of my neck, for an upsell but that was really steep. Plus, I hate the kind that make you feel that what you just bought was worthless without the new offering.

      Will see!
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      • Profile picture of the author wrays
        Originally Posted by novac View Post

        In regards to what's written above, now that I've had time to think about it, there's some remorse going on here because without the platinum upgrade, what tid-bits will be left behind? These days I'm almost always ready, with the hair sticking out at the top of my neck, for an upsell but that was really steep. Plus, I hate the kind that make you feel that what you just bought was worthless without the new offering.

        Will see!
        LOL... exactly how I feel about the upsell - it makes you feel that you're only getting 50%; the other 50% goodies will be revealed only if you buy another product.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jamus McKenna
          Originally Posted by wrays View Post

          LOL... exactly how I feel about the upsell - it makes you feel that you're only getting 50%; the other 50% goodies will be revealed only if you buy another product.
          Isn't that the whole point of the up selling? :confused:
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          • Profile picture of the author MCDavies
            The first thing that flashed into my mind when I logged in was an image of the half completed "Death Star" and the sound of a car trying to start on a winter morning.
            Quickly followed by the sounds of crickets in a field at night!
            This one made me laugh so hard I sprayed coffee all over my monitor.

            Now if you'll excuse me I'll go find some towels to clean up this mess.:p
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            • Profile picture of the author J. Scott Systems
              Originally Posted by MCDavies View Post

              This one made me laugh so hard I sprayed coffee all over my monitor.

              Now if you'll excuse me I'll go find some towels to clean up this mess.:p

              LOL... sorry about that, I was hopped up on coffee myself when I wrote that!

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        • Profile picture of the author Nice Guy
          Hi there, I bought it on the launch day April 20th and nothing changed until today. No, definitiv no support at all, no tutorials that are really helpful and descripe any details and how to use the plugins. No answers. Complaints posted in the members area do never appear after sending. Very, very poor. And most worse, no excuse, nothing. With all this behaviour there is only one conclusion - Don't buy this product!
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      • Profile picture of the author danblack
        Thanks for your input Novac... Please kept us informed.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Yeah please let us know about your findings and what support replies to you inquiry.

    One question: So even as "average" user - can you make a complete site or not? Why shouldn't you? And why shouldn't you be able to log in your site using admin area and tweak if you want so?

    (Not that i think this would be the purpose of it...if i want to tweak i would rather make a site from scratch manually, then i can choose templates, things like that. But IMHO the primary use for this is to make sites fast *without* doing all this stuff, the already included template might as well be sufficient for getting such a site up?)
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I dont have the impression you need the UPSELL to make "good" sites and the "normal" people "only get the bad sites". In fact i have the impression that you can make the same sites with the same plugins/SEP and the upsell is more like training stuff?

    And..to be honest..for me it makes sense that people who pay more get more in return + training stuff if they need it. But i don't think that you NEED the upsells to get this working!

    I agree tho that its not good practice to get this started but then leave people with "More videos and training materials are being created for the members area and are coming soon".

    The question here is whether you only get worthless ***p if you do NOT get the upsells - and whether the upsells you are getting ARE WORTH WHAT YOU ARE PAYING FOR THEM.

    If you do indeed get your money's worth for the upsells then you shouldn't complain - assuming that you don't NEED them to work the system as described.

    It's like..i can choose to buy a car for $1200...or getting a ferrari. Both will do the job of getting me from A to B, but the Ferrari has more "features". Problem would be if the car for $1200 wouldn't drive since it's missing tires/motors. (If you get my analogy)
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  • Profile picture of the author chooch
    I've gotten I don't know how many emails promoting this thing. I never did understand how it worked. They must have an affiliate program to be promoted like this. Plus the price never was clear. I'll wait it out for a while, need way more information.
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  • Profile picture of the author dseisner
    George, I want to preface this by saying that I definitely respect you. Having said that, I don't know anything about this product but I smell bull****. I don't like sales pages that tell people they don't need to work to make money in this industry.

    Here are some of the headlines:

    "Regardless of what they tell you, making money online is just not that hard."
    "To be blunt, 18 thousand dollars happened"
    "All the annoying, difficult stuff is done for you - automatically"
    "These things work the same day, sometimes within hours"

    And it goes on. Come on! Talk about hype.

    Every one of the real people I work with on a daily basis works their butt off to make a living. Promising people 18K in 30 days or whatever it is with 15 minutes of work per site is a load of crap, any way you slice it.

    Guys, if you're looking for a silver bullet - IT'S NOT OUT THERE. Yes, you can get lucky. Yes, you can come up with a good idea and become rich overnight. Yes, it's possible to do very little work and make tons of money....

    ...But it's the very rare exception. And it's certainly not going to be awarded to the hundreds or thousands of people that buy a $67 product.

    Prepare to work your fingers to the bone if you are building a successful business from the ground up. And if you don't have to in order to make big bucks, then consider yourself one of the lucky ones.

    Just my 2 cents...
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by dseisner View Post

      George, I want to preface this by saying that I definitely respect you. Having said that, I don't know anything about this product but I smell bull****. I don't like sales pages that tell people they don't need to work to make money in this industry.

      Here are some of the headlines:

      "Regardless of what they tell you, making money online is just not that hard."
      "To be blunt, 18 thousand dollars happened"
      "All the annoying, difficult stuff is done for you - automatically"
      "These things work the same day, sometimes within hours"

      And it goes on. Come on! Talk about hype.

      Every one of the real people I work with on a daily basis works their butt off to make a living. Promising people 18K in 30 days or whatever it is with 15 minutes of work per site is a load of crap, any way you slice it.

      Guys, if you're looking for a silver bullet - IT'S NOT OUT THERE. Yes, you can get lucky. Yes, you can come up with a good idea and become rich overnight. Yes, it's possible to do very little work and make tons of money....

      ...But it's the very rare exception. And it's certainly not going to be awarded to the hundreds or thousands of people that buy a $67 product.

      Prepare to work your fingers to the bone if you are building a successful business from the ground up. And if you don't have to in order to make big bucks, then consider yourself one of the lucky ones.

      Just my 2 cents...
      Hello dseisner,

      let me first say i am glad that there are actually a few real reviews now and not only "emotional opinions" which are not really helping.

      You are saying and mentioning how much work it is in IM, and you can believe me i agree 100% since EVERY SINGLE PENNY i/we make is usually a direct result of work put in some project. Web sites are not ranking, writing or designing themselves. Every serious IM will agree that it takes work and dedication to be successful.

      As for the CB Predators system, it is very clear what it does and what it's for (in my opinion)..it is a tool which can build web sites.

      Are those sites as "nice" and complex as sites built by hand by someone who knows the ins and outs of wordpress and spends weeks tweaking his sites? VERY LIKELY NOT!! But then i don't see this comparison is ok/fair .

      Because i dont see CB predators as a substitute to what i can do in some weeks worth manually, but rather something which can help to make more sites, in addition. Or simply establish more sites.

      Since the system is automated (more or less) i actually expect such sites being of little less "quality" and certainly not as perfect as sites i make manually where i literally tweak any aspects, sometimes even make custom themes and so forth. (Believe me, i am a perfectiontist )

      ( It might be comparable to spinning articles where you have the choice to write a unique article from scratch....or use a rewriter/spinner and make 20 new articles from an existing one. )

      In my opinion it has its use/benefit, and this is actually exactly what i expect(ed) from the system. The system allows to build a site faster compared to doing it manually. As simple as that.

      Question: Do you think this has NO benefit whatsoever?

      I know people who have no in-depth technical knowledge and can NOT make a wordpress site. Does this benefit them in some way? Ask yourself.

      Does it help someone who wants a few more web sites in addition to his other web-sites? If i can make a site in 15 mins with it...is this a bad thing, even if the resulting site is not as perfect as a site where i spend some days setting it up?

      And so on...

      GRIPES: Yes, i have them.

      One is indeed the fact that people say there is a limit in how many sites you can build. If you can only make 5 sites per month i would see this as a problem. Because then i don't see the benefit in a system which allows me to make a site in 15 minutes.

      But there might be reasons for that, one reason for sure is to prevent saturating of one niche/product with 1000s of people making a site based on the same template.

      I ALSO understand that the system might have some early issues and quirks at this time, trainings materials still missing and so forth.

      But this all aside - i DO see the potential and i DO see the benefits.

      This is one of the products which (IMHO) might grow and still needs a little time to show the actual potential it has, early problem "issues" need to be addressed, no question. I am pretty much convinced that opinions might change over the coming weeks.

      Its a TOOL, and as with any tool people need to learn how to use it to its fullest <---

      This is how i see it.

      G.
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        • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
          Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

          George, I'm not the type to fly off the handle...ever. But IF YOU actually buy it, and take a look what's inside, and compare it to what is advertised, come back here and we'll continue the discussion.

          I really don't understand why you're so keen to protect the product, without even buying it yourself. Do what I did, and buy it, and you'll quickly see why I'm saying what I am saying.
          Nick,

          At best, it is a glorified FTP tool that has cookie cutter content (supposedly) already in the site, and some graphics/layout.

          But in terms of effectiveness, it comes down to the content on your site, and the meta data...for which there is NO training as yet.
          How comes i did expect it being exactly THIS? Based on the early preview videos?

          It's a web site builder where you can choose from templates, optionally rewrite content and add your own stuff (if you want).

          What did you expect it to be? Sorry i am at a deep loss here as to what other people expect(ed) it to be?!

          Where now is the element which makes it something totally different to what you expected?
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          • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
            Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

            Nick,

            How comes i did expect it being exactly THIS? Based on the early preview videos?

            It's a web site builder where you can choose from templates, optionally rewrite content and add your own stuff (if you want).

            What did you expect it to be? Sorry i am at a deep loss here as to what other people expect(ed) it to be?!

            Where now is the element which makes it something totally different to what you expected?
            You must have seen a different sales letter to me, seriously...
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            • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
              Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

              You must have seen a different sales letter to me, seriously...
              Unlikely

              To make it clear, the "only" problem i have right now is the fact that those sites it creates are limited. I admit it's an issue, i wish they address this. ( I actually just emailed them and "invited" them into this this thread and do some Q/A. )

              You use words like "scam" in the other thread....but at the same time its clear (to me) what the system does and what it's good for - and i have not seen ONE PERSON being able to prove that it doesnt do what its supposed to do - building wordpress based review sites as was shown some weeks ago already in those early preview videos.

              Instead of addressing its exact purpose and ability whether it actually DOES EXACTLY THIS - again, you argue more "emotional" based on your dislike of sales emails and their sales letters, but you do NOT really address or mention the fact whether it actually does what its supposed to do.
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          • Profile picture of the author neodarth
            Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

            Nick,

            How comes i did expect it being exactly THIS? Based on the early preview videos?

            It's a web site builder where you can choose from templates, optionally rewrite content and add your own stuff (if you want).

            What did you expect it to be? Sorry i am at a deep loss here as to what other people expect(ed) it to be?!

            Where now is the element which makes it something totally different to what you expected?
            Early preview videos? choose from templates? optionally rewrite...? Are we still talking about CB Predator??

            Did I miss other videos than the "this is my income proof" videos?

            Did I miss the the part where you choose the templates when you build your site?

            There is an autofiller that fill the blanks for you?

            sorry... I'm lost...
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      • Profile picture of the author dseisner
        My analysis...

        FORGET THAT...

        1) There's no training
        2) It's not complete
        3) They're still delivering benefits, etc...

        OK?

        There are FUNDAMENTAL FLAWS with this system. First of all, if you can work their backend, you can set up a wordpress site. I'm sorry, but that is one of the easiest things to do in IM. This is how long it takes me:

        1) Buy a domain name - 5 minutes
        2) Add it to your server - 1 minute
        3) Install wordpress - 5 minutes
        4) Upload theme - 1 minute
        5) Upload plugins - 1 minute

        13 minutes? Kind of the same amount of time it takes to use this system.

        OK, so point #1 that this system helps put up sites faster - FALSE


        Next, this system will help you get traffic and make sales

        FORGET THAT... it can't even manage to place the affiliate links correctly.

        Magic plugins?! Are you kidding me? There is simply no such thing. Logical reasoning and knowledge of how traffic flows through portals on the internet should have people smelling BS a mile away. Traffic does not fall out of the sky, it comes from websites, RSS feeds, email boxes, etc.

        And if your content is exactly the same as thousands of other people, we all know it will be relegated OUT of the index and your SEO dreams will be gone in a flash.

        Not paying for traffic? Well it better be coming from SEO (which it won't be), Web 2.0 sites, or other blogs. Does this magic plugin somehow spam your links and duplicate content out to all of these password protected sites? I'm not buying it.

        Point #2 - the system will help bring you sales on auto-pilot (set and forget) - FALSE


        My conclusion:

        The sales letter is a straight up lie. Google considers these cookie cutter sites to be spam, for lack of a better term. That's why they do not rank them. You MUST create original content in some way, shape, or form to be considered for the search engines. Not to mention, your site must follow SEO guidelines in some fashion - anyone here heard of backlinks?! Is anybody here willing to tell me that you don't need backlinks to rank for decent terms OR willing to tell me that they've gotten those backlinks and ranked for the term in 15 minutes? Have you ranked for the term in 24 hours? If so, did that term have ANY competition?

        Even if this software did sound awesome or useful, which is does not, the sales page is still bull**** to the nth degree. That is my concern here. We all bitched a moaned about the new FTC rules and how they were affecting our business. Well, here is a perfect example of where those laws came from.

        Newbie Warriors, if you're new and you don't know how to set up a WP site and you want to, my suggestion is to go learn how to do it properly. It's not hard. Then go learn about traffic methods to that site. Don't be fooled by false promises of quick riches by spending $67. Invest in helpful courses and tools that are not surrounded by controversy and hype. Right now, when it comes to building WP sites, the course Google Sniper comes to mind - there's a step by step walkthrough any newbie can understand.

        Then, expect to work your tail off if you want to build something real. There is no free lunch!
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        • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
          Originally Posted by dseisner View Post

          1) Buy a domain name - 5 minutes
          2) Add it to your server - 1 minute
          3) Install wordpress - 5 minutes
          4) Upload theme - 1 minute
          5) Upload plugins - 1 minute
          dseisner, and you know what the funny thing is?

          YOU argue that its no big deal to do the above, you are saying CB Predators is "bad" because you can do the above in a few minutes anyway. (By the way, some people cant!!)

          Then: Who was it who JUST complained that CB Predators is a "scam" product because you needed to enter some META data and keywords? <--- That person also complained it would be a big issue "because you need to buy a domain".

          You argue you can do all the above in a a few minutes, the other person did exactly the opposite and said its a NEGATIVE point because he needed to buy domain(s) and enter some keywords?

          You see the big, big discrepancy here? <----
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          • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
            Originally Posted by dseisner View Post


            Even if this software did sound awesome or useful, which is does not, the sales page is still bull**** to the nth degree. That is my concern here. We all bitched a moaned about the new FTC rules and how they were affecting our business. Well, here is a perfect example of where those laws came from.
            Aint that the truth!


            For example the last one who complained he had to enter keywords and meta data. Sorry...this is where i simply cannot follow anymore.

            Give me one person who bought it, telling that it doesnt create such web sites, the interface wouldn't work..etc..etc. ONE SOLID ARGUMENT which would legitimate the use of words like "scam" like some people did. Do you understand my point?

            When i started this thread i wanted opinions because the system looks interesting, period. I say this as someone who builds web sites constantly, i know how much work it takes. I dont need to "defend" the product (or myself), i simply want to understand why people have the negative attitude.....their points are (imho) a little weak and simply don't do the product (and what it does) justice.[/quote]

            George, you're not listening to me at all. I've explained my meta data question, and that was only one small discrepency in a whole list of bigger ones.

            What I'm struggling to understand here, is why you ask for people's opinions and then immediately disagree and argue against them when we give them to you?

            What REALLY is starting to get on my tail, is that you're attacking people WHO HAVE ACTUALLY BOUGHT IT...and you haven't?

            As far as I am concerned, you need to be listening to the people who BOUGHT it, nit us listening to you, who hasn't bought it.

            And here's an idea...

            If you promote products as an affiliate, I suggest you buy them first mate...it's the done thing.

            I don't want to fall out with anyone, but when people simply ignore my responses and rational, solid points, I get a bit bored...
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            • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
              Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

              Aint that the truth!



              George, you're not listening to me at all. I've explained my meta data question, and that was only one small discrepency in a whole list of bigger ones.

              What I'm struggling to understand here, is why you ask for people's opinions and then immediately disagree and argue against them when we give them to you?

              What REALLY is starting to get on my tail, is that you're attacking people WHO HAVE ACTUALLY BOUGHT IT...and you haven't?

              As far as I am concerned, you need to be listening to the people who BOUGHT it, nit us listening to you, who hasn't bought it.

              And here's an idea...

              If you promote products as an affiliate, I suggest you buy them first mate...it's the done thing.

              I don't want to fall out with anyone, but when people simply ignore my responses and rational, solid points, I get a bit bored...

              No worries, because this thread really gave me a migraine and i might be off doing something else for a while, simply to "calm down"

              Where did i "attack" people?

              As i understood you right your question was what to enter as meta data, keywords and so forth. (?) I replied back i have problems understanding your complaint and reasoning since the necessity to enter some site meta data and hardly "qualifies" to call the product a "scam" - in fact its exactly what to expect if someone saw the other videos where it was shown what it does and how it is used.

              Should i blindly agree with you now and say "yes, the product is ***p" because i need to enter some keywords and maybe a description and some other data to build a site? Or simply shut up even if it is 100% against any logic, regardless whether i own the product now or not?

              And....to top all this off, person A is saying the product is bad because its so easy to get a domain and whatever.....person B is saying its bad BECAUSE of this. <---- trying to understand the logic here.

              And i am not attacking someone, and if it looked like i did i APOLOGIZE!! I really prefer constructive discussion. Deal?
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              • Profile picture of the author vivax
                guys,
                have any of you used the system called Google Terminator?
                It was a product created by Chris Fox in November 2009, and I personally bought it and was very dissapointed.
                It was about creating review sites for upcoming IM product launches, based on a fill-in template that you had to edit manually so the sites look a little different, and then creating backlinks. The hype was exactly the same as this one, and they were promising miracle earnings with these sites.
                From the CB Predators videos I saw it seems that they have just found a way to automate the process since the "100k template" is exactly the same as in Google Terminator.
                The membership site for GTerminator is a wordpress blog that they claimed will be updated regularly with recommendations, tips, advice, support, etc... but the last posts from the product creators was in December 2009. The product was never finished, there are videos missing that they never uploaded, even Chris Fox personally promised to reveal a "big secret" about traffic generation, that should have happened somewhere around Christmas, but it never happened. I made some review sites with this template for product launches and didn't make a single sale, although they ranked well in google.
                So, from my experience I wouldn't believe them a word they say, and would never buy or recommend a product from the Fox brothers. They just pick up the cash and don't give a s*** about you afterwards, they will be there for a week or two with some posts on their blog, and then you will never hear from them again.
                forgive me if I'm wrong, but that's my experience with chris fox.
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  • Profile picture of the author gcintermed
    I'm on the fence about getting this, and hoping to hear more from those of you have gotten it...

    On the one hand, I've been wanting to do something with review sites for affiliate products, but never seem to find the time to put all the pieces together. So if CBP can jump start my efforts and get me in the game with a decent site that gets organic traffic out of the gate which I can tweak for better results, what could be wrong with that? Even if the product delivers a fraction of its wild claims, it's better than what I am doing now, which is nothing.

    On the other hand, there is something fishy about a long salesletter that promises unlimited 15 minute sites, push button simplicity, and passive income on autopilot. If I had such a system to sell, I would a) make a video SHOWING a site being created, b) give examples of these sites, and c) give actual case studies of real sites and the income they have achieved. The absence of these things is a big red flag, and makes me think what they have is only smoke and mirrors.

    It would be like walking into a car dealership where the salesman says he has a car that gets 100mpg, goes 0-60 in 4 seconds, looks beautiful, and costs only $6700. But you can't see it or test drive it til you pay for it. Doesn't inspire trust, does it?

    I would love for someone on this forum who has purchased this to actually do a case study: build a site in 15 minutes, and track the income it produces. The claim was made that you should be able to start earning money from these sites within hours. Let's hear from someone who has.

    And what are these upsells? Don't you just love it when you buy a product where the salesletter promises everything, only to find out after purchase that you need to buy something else?
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    • Profile picture of the author zaarenoc
      Why don't we have any definitive reviews from someone who actually purchased the software. We need to get a review group of 30 or so to buy these different offerings and post honest reviews. Sort of like consumer reports for the internet . With 30 of us the cost would be defrayed to a reasonable expense.

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  • Profile picture of the author mikkosant
    Site build it software... If you want traffic and seo done right, get some original articles and make your own sites. You won't go very far with a cookie cutter site.

    All these new auto site systems are looking pretty shallow..., if you want to rank, your best bet is unique content period. Sorry, yeah, I didn't buy it so I don't know what I'm talking about right?

    Have fun owning the same site as every other member. Oh wait, you get to spin it so it's kind of original right??....Tell google that next time you get slapped.

    No thanks.

    Hire a designer(97) and outsource some decent articles(20 articles-$80-200) and make yourself a quality site that's only unique to you. You'll be much better off.

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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    "Why don't we have any definitive reviews from someone who actually purchased the software."

    Because the product was only released within the last 24 hours.
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    • Profile picture of the author pappyy3
      Originally Posted by pearsonbrown View Post

      "Why don't we have any definitive reviews from someone who actually purchased the software."

      Because the product was only released within the last 24 hours.
      Surely someone must have made money by now???

      Hope so - Look forward to hearing from anyone with their success story
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    • Profile picture of the author zaarenoc
      That's true but according to what I read they were waiting in a line to grab it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author gcintermed
    Does anyone else appreciate the irony?

    This is a product for creating review sites for Clickbank products. This is a Clickbank product, and yet there are no reviews for it. Seems like the first thing they should have done is put out a review site for their own product, to show us how good it is. In other words, the review site would review by demonstration. But I haven't seen any sites like that... certainly not in the salesletter.
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  • Profile picture of the author HollandsFinest
    Still not sure what this product is about, read the salespage twice and also this thread.

    Some questions:

    -Can I pick any (CB) product I want and have their writers write content for this or do I have to pick a product from their pool of pre-written content products? If so, how big is this pool?

    -Reading the salespage they state a site can be build in 15 minutes and be almost immediately profitbale, guess we will see succes stories this weekend or beginning next week.

    But is there enough unique content written or are there enough writers if 1000 members want to launch 10 sites a week?

    -As I understand once the site is up, it's hand off and the SEO ranking is done on autopilot? In my world backlinking has to be done for a site, but as I read it, it has some inbuild linking/SEO/ranking system. Is this correct?

    -We have to register a domain. Success can depend on a good domain, especially with these thin review sites, so a TLD with the exact product name in it is advised. But what if hundreds of members try to register a TLD for a certain product?

    And will members who bought the upsells get the better choices/products before they are released to the 'regular' members?
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  • Profile picture of the author infinite
    Ok... here are my comments on this one for what they are worth. Take them or leave them but don't beat me up for voicing "my opinion" :-)

    Firstly - I am an experienced marketer making thousands of dollars online every single month however I was intrigued by the buzz around this product so I decided to go ahead and order it before I recommended it to my subscribers. For the record, I only ever recommend products I have actually tested myself.

    Of course, I was skeptical but with hundreds of marketers pounding my inbox every minute trying to get me to buy it, I thought that just MAYBE these guys were onto something. So as I said, I ordered my own copy paying full price.

    Unfortunately I was very disappointed with what I saw and would not do my subscribers the disservice of recommending it to them.

    The basic crux of this is that it will generate a Wordpress based review site for you. The bit about it being "almost completely automated" is slightly misleading. You do need to add your own content (albeit it can be a MODIFIED version of what they provide you). They basically give you a template (broken into chunks) and you can modify each chunk as you see fit. In all honesty by the time you re-write things, it's probably not much quicker than writing a review from scratch.

    Anyone who has a little experience online can do exactly the same thing with their $10 hosting account. Most good hosts provide Fantastico which will automate the installation of Wordpress. Essentially this is all that the product does. Sure that's probably an oversimplified analysis HOWEVER that's BASICALLY what it does.

    I received an email only 4 hours after launch saying that "After only the first short 4 hours of launch we've seen over 1,000 units shift into the happy arms of our new members."

    This is going to be a MAJOR issue for members.

    Let's say these guys choose to limit the numbers to even 2000 members (I suspect it will pass that quickly)... How highly ranked do you think your review site will get when it's competing against 1999 other review sites on the same topic and using virtually the same review (albeit modified slightly)?

    Seriously. If you want to get into doing review sites, I strongly suggest getting a hosting account that supports Fantastico (most good ones do), installing Wordpress which is super simple and uploading a theme and content of your choice. Sure there maybe a bit more work involved but I can be pretty certain you will get better results.

    Even for beginners, I think this product has major flaws. My first site didn't even have a single affiliate link on it and I followed all their steps. (In fairness, this could just be a "glitch" in their system.) Obviously I can fix this easily myself from within Wordpress but a person just starting out might have no idea how to do this. I sent a ticket about this 10 hours ago but haven't heard back yet.

    The other big thing for newbies will be in getting traffic to their review sites. I won't go into that but I am sure you can all see that this will be the next challenge for people.

    All that aside, the site itself had a VERY basic template. I could have easily downloaded a free Wordpress theme that would have looked a LOT better.

    I can see now why there was no video on the sales page showing the actual finished site. I was skeptical of this omission even before I bought it. Why wouldn't someone at least show the basic look and feel of the finished site in their promo videos? The answer is that the sites are not at all impressive and I doubt anyone will earn any real money from them. Time will of course tell... but my verdict is to save your money.

    I strongly believe that there is no "magic bullet" or substitute for hard work when it comes to making money online. In 99.9% of cases, anyone who tells you otherwise is pulling your leg AND EVEN if they WERE telling the truth, they certainly wouldn't share it with you for 67 bucks :-)

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    • Profile picture of the author zaarenoc
      Now that is a review you can be proud of... for sure. Covers everything I need to know and explains why.

      Thank you very much!
      Do you have a newsletter?

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      • Profile picture of the author infinite
        Originally Posted by zaarenoc View Post

        Now that is a review you can be proud of... for sure. Covers everything I need to know and explains why.

        Thank you very much!
        Do you have a newsletter?

        Doug
        Hey Doug

        Thanks. Glad you found it useful.

        You can get on my newsletter by grabbing the free version of our Wordpress plugin in my sig file if you wish. :-)

        Take care...

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        • Profile picture of the author pappyy3
          Originally Posted by infinite View Post

          Hey Doug

          Thanks. Glad you found it useful.

          You can get on my newsletter by grabbing the free version of our Wordpress plugin in my sig file if you wish. :-)

          Take care...

          Aaron
          Excellent & Honest Post Aaron.

          Especially coming from someone who has purchased the product which I believe most people on this thread have requested.

          You've done nothing by the way, to make me want to purchase ( ....only joking )

          Thankyou
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    • Profile picture of the author danblack
      Thanks for giving us an honest review Aaron. I had my doubts too, as common sense tells me that too many people doing the same thing isn't going to work. Way too much competition for the same product reviews. The cookie cutter method will eventually get them de-listed with google.
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    • Profile picture of the author BrainCopy
      Originally Posted by infinite View Post

      Ok... here are my comments on this one for what they are worth. Take them or leave them but don't beat me up for voicing "my opinion" :-)

      Firstly - I am an experienced marketer making thousands of dollars online every single month however I was intrigued by the buzz around this product so I decided to go ahead and order it before I recommended it to my subscribers. For the record, I only ever recommend products I have actually tested myself.

      Of course, I was skeptical but with hundreds of marketers pounding my inbox every minute trying to get me to buy it, I thought that just MAYBE these guys were onto something. So as I said, I ordered my own copy paying full price.

      Unfortunately I was very disappointed with what I saw and would not do my subscribers the disservice of recommending it to them.

      The basic crux of this is that it will generate a Wordpress based review site for you. The bit about it being "almost completely automated" is slightly misleading. You do need to add your own content (albeit it can be a MODIFIED version of what they provide you). They basically give you a template (broken into chunks) and you can modify each chunk as you see fit. In all honesty by the time you re-write things, it's probably not much quicker than writing a review from scratch.

      Anyone who has a little experience online can do exactly the same thing with their $10 hosting account. Most good hosts provide Fantastico which will automate the installation of Wordpress. Essentially this is all that the product does. Sure that's probably an oversimplified analysis HOWEVER that's BASICALLY what it does.

      I received an email only 4 hours after launch saying that "After only the first short 4 hours of launch we've seen over 1,000 units shift into the happy arms of our new members."

      This is going to be a MAJOR issue for members.

      Let's say these guys choose to limit the numbers to even 2000 members (I suspect it will pass that quickly)... How highly ranked do you think your review site will get when it's competing against 1999 other review sites on the same topic and using virtually the same review (albeit modified slightly)?

      Seriously. If you want to get into doing review sites, I strongly suggest getting a hosting account that supports Fantastico (most good ones do), installing Wordpress which is super simple and uploading a theme and content of your choice. Sure there maybe a bit more work involved but I can be pretty certain you will get better results.

      Even for beginners, I think this product has major flaws. My first site didn't even have a single affiliate link on it and I followed all their steps. (In fairness, this could just be a "glitch" in their system.) Obviously I can fix this easily myself from within Wordpress but a person just starting out might have no idea how to do this. I sent a ticket about this 10 hours ago but haven't heard back yet.

      The other big thing for newbies will be in getting traffic to their review sites. I won't go into that but I am sure you can all see that this will be the next challenge for people.

      All that aside, the site itself had a VERY basic template. I could have easily downloaded a free Wordpress theme that would have looked a LOT better.

      I can see now why there was no video on the sales page showing the actual finished site. I was skeptical of this omission even before I bought it. Why wouldn't someone at least show the basic look and feel of the finished site in their promo videos? The answer is that the sites are not at all impressive and I doubt anyone will earn any real money from them. Time will of course tell... but my verdict is to save your money.

      I strongly believe that there is no "magic bullet" or substitute for hard work when it comes to making money online. In 99.9% of cases, anyone who tells you otherwise is pulling your leg AND EVEN if they WERE telling the truth, they certainly wouldn't share it with you for 67 bucks :-)

      Aaron
      All I can say is thank you. I was going to promote this to my subscriber... I'm not now thanks to you. Thank you for saving me the hassle Aaron.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lifechanging
    Wow lots of interest and lots of concern, so let me give you a few updates from a real member.

    I used it to launch a site last night and it took me about 15 mins, however I used an existing domain and I must admit I spent a bit longer once launched to tidy things up a bit.

    I know Wordpress very well and so I can knock out sites pretty quickly using Fantastico but this still saved time as it was already configured with the right plugins and theme, so still a time saver.

    As for the plugins and how it will all work is still to be seen but we are not talking a huge investment, my view is give it a go and if it really isn't my thing then I have 60 days to claim a refund via Clickbank. It's not my risk, it's up to the publishers to convince me that this can work. BTW I have low expectations, if a product generates me more than it costs me to implement then I'm happy, e.g. If I generate $15 a month from a site that is cost me $10 to run that's perfect, I'll simply rinse and repeat.

    People are worried about if they need the upsell or not; the answer is get it if you can afford it but you don't need it. I'll explain why, you can launch as many sites as you like, you are not restricted to the products they have found you, there is nothing to stop you from using the tool to launch sites promoting other Clickbank products or infact any other affiliate offer, intact you should do that to step around some of the competition.

    Finally comms from the product owners which was sent out to members during the night...

    "Just wanted to shoot you a quick email
    to let you know about the cool things
    we have planned for you....

    First of all in the next few days we will have
    a special "plugin" for you that is going to
    auto post unique content to your blogs...

    Secondly we are going to show you
    exactly how to create a site...

    At the end we will answer all your
    questions...

    Keep an eye out for the webinar invite..

    We will be hosting it on Thursday...

    Talk soon guys
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      • Profile picture of the author Nice Guy
        I bought it and the basic idear is really good. Now I even can't log into my sites anymore.I set up 2 tickets but nothing happened for 3 or 4 days. Now they are suddenly closed, but withouth solving the problem. I do not know what's going on there,but I know that they are not interested in client service. It looks to me as scam just now, because they do not deliver any support. The only messages I get from them are new affiliate offers - very strange.

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        • Profile picture of the author OnlineMktgByron
          Originally Posted by Nice Guy View Post

          I bought it and the basic idear is really good. Now I even can't log into my sites anymore.I set up 2 tickets but nothing happened for 3 or 4 days. Now they are suddenly closed, but withouth solving the problem. I do not know what's going on there,but I know that they are not interested in client service. It looks to me as scam just now, because they do not deliver any support. The only messages I get from them are new affiliate offers - very strange.

          nice guy
          My experience is very much like yours. I put in a ticket waited over a week for a response that never came. Saw them say that they were going to close any ticket related to "training" so they could answer the others. Still no Response.

          Finally went back into support after 10 days and found the ticket closed. No answer to my question which involved the error message :"Error establishing a database connection."

          Since the database is on their server and the system said my site was published, I thought they should offer me help with this. I can see the files in the folder online where they are supposed to be, but no way to see the site or enter the back-end. Now What?

          When I saw the ticket was closed I noticed it said that it would reopen if I replied...so I did...last week.

          Still no response so I open a new ticket, still no response. Then when I try to check on my tickets today..and they don't exist anymore.

          I guess that's one way to reduce your tech support issues.

          I will be asking for a refund before my 60 days are up if they don't fix the issues and answer everyone's questions satisfactorily by then...which seems unlikely at this point.

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  • Profile picture of the author RedHat39
    Thanks pascal, murmel,lifechanging, and infinite for your first hand reviews of this product. I got tons of emails yesterday too about this product and as many of you I was intrigued to find out more about the software they are selling. However just like many of you it bugged me that they didn't even show one example website the software created. So thus I waited on a thread like this to get the real truth.

    I can see merit in a product like this but not in the light they shine on it from their sales page. I can see this being a decent autoblogging system for those willing to stick it out past the "wave of the day" product launch.

    The one thing I didn't see mentioned here in this thread was the fact that they said in the sales page you could use the software for ANY affiliate product, yet everyone keeps talking about clickbank products. Was that claim also hype or false?
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  • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
    Ok here's my first hand review having bought it

    You log in and there are 5 products to promote - one is an up and coming clickbank product to be launched on the 29th
    others include weight loss
    abs
    pregnancy
    traffic etc

    You choose a product and start to build. Now I entered in my clickbank id but it did not seem to enter in my links anywhere, not sure what happened there.

    You then put in keywords, meta tags, description etc. From this point you are brought to a page that has up to 20 text areas, nicely done with visual editing commands.
    You're given a piece of text and told to rewrite - i kinda like this as it gets your creative juices flowing!

    Once you've done that you save it and publish it

    To do this you enter in your hosting details (which are not recorded) and then click finish

    The site then installs wordpress with the flexisqueeze tempate onto your site. and that's it

    So for a beginner and for ease of use i think it's good, ie you don't need hassle of setting up wordpress, plugins etc, so you can more concentrate on content.

    However

    I messed up two sites - my own fault, not putting in some details correctly so now i can't create any more. I'm not sure if that is my fault or a fault with the software. As if I am limited to only creating three sites a month I'll defo get a refund as it said i could create 240 on the sales page

    Ok honestly it's not all bad, it makes sticking up a review page really easy and means you don't have to hunt down plugins, products etc

    however it's not as push button as they say in the sense you have to think about the content etc etc.

    I think like many other products it helps you focus entirely on traffic rather than messing around with the "techy" stuff

    I'll keep you updated, opps hold on there's another 1000 dollars in my clickbank account

    Hope this helps

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    • Profile picture of the author danblack
      Thanks for your honest review too Richard. It seems that I can do all those things you mentioned myself, without the need for a "push button" product like this. I suspect that most people here can also build a wordpress site, and add plugin's too.

      That last part you mentioned about "focusing on traffic" is really what stands out for me, as that's the primary reason I would want a product... to get more traffic. Everything else is just time needed to build the site. Without the traffic, it's worthless too me.

      But, like you said, maybe it's good for other's that are less of the techy type.

      Thanks again...
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  • Profile picture of the author DaveLloyd
    My 2 cents!

    I really did not intend to buy this, but while visiting the salespage from Paul Ponna's link I got the feeling that, just maybe, it was worth investigating.

    Now, I have been around the block more than several times, and I don't usually fall for hype, I knew in advance that the two OTOs were there, and gritting my teeth sailed straight past the first one, and also its cheaper cousin, but when I reached the OTO for Affiliate X, and the prospect of easily generating much more traffic to the sites I began to reconsider.

    The cheaper version of the first OTO was still stored in my browser's history so I backtracked to that, and completed my purchase from there, buying both the OTOs.

    Many people have already commented on the marketing methods used, inconsistencies in the salesletter etc., so I won't comment further on those, or the the lack of clear information about the product.

    Since purchasing I really have had very little time to look it over (I haven't built a site yet), but it appears that at present, those who did buy are almost as much in the dark as those who didn't.

    Training and elucidation are, apparently, in the pipeline!

    I have no sense of buyers remorse, I actually have quite a good feeling about this purchase. On some of the videos on the salespages and thankyou page, I did detect a ring of sincerity, and perhaps even pride in the product? -- But maybe that's just me!

    Even if the product proves to have some serious shortcomings, I can't see that the developers can possibly afford to allow it to be a crashing disaster.

    My profound hope is that this will save me a huge amount of time by allowing me to quickly test out new sites/markets and, of course, hopefully generate some income in the process.

    If some sites perform well they can later be developed into authority sites -- at least that's my gameplan.

    As others have noted, the onus is on the developers to deliver on their promises. If they fail to do so they are going to need to process a huge amount of refunds and -- miss out on some serious continuity income!!

    For me, I can't say that it is a win/win situation exactly, perhaps it's more of a win/can't possibly lose kind of situation. I have 60 days to find out!

    I don't know if this helps anyone, but those are my sentiments.

    Dave
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      Originally Posted by kevintg1 View Post

      Hi Richard

      so you can only build 3 sites a month, they say you can build 100s a day if you wont.
      do you have to get a new domain every time, and did you do it (only takes 18 clicks)
      and how about this Automatic Traffic...

      thanks kev
      Hey Kev

      well the truth is i screwed up in building two of the sites so it was my fault for not following instructions! however now with three sites built i can't see where i go to build my 4th up until 240, perhaps it is a glitch,

      Re 18 clicks I guess it was 18 clicks and some re writing, what i did like was that it gives you the ideas about what you should write about.

      sure people say hey you could do this yourself etc, but sometimes creative thinking eludes
      us

      I'm techy and for me to create a wp site put in plugins, ping site list, write the "review text" would take me a good 60 minutes maybe more, this does it all for you in maybe 25 or less.

      So far I am happy with this but time will tell

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      from the looks of it no Kev you could put them in sub folders for example
      mybestreviews.com/site1
      mybestreviews.com/site2

      etc

      right up to site number 3
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Shawcross
    wow - another launch that has got the Warriors in heated discussion. I too had a good look at the sales page, slept on it, looked again then came here as i knew i would get a sensible (non affiliate) opinion.

    Correct me if i am wrong (and yes, i have read the whole thread), but i just want to be clear.
    CB Predator only allows you 5 sites per month!!? If you make a mess of one or more of those - tough.
    If you are running SE Nuke (or similar), surely installing a WP site by fantastico, configuring plugins, pinging etc takes - what, maybe 30 mins? OK - so i get the point about the content, but do we know where this content is coming from? If the feed content is poor, no-one is going to buy the affiliate product anyway - so surely IMO, as this is probably the MOST important part of an affiliate site, it's something that should be written by ourselves anyway.

    I know its early days and the jury is still out, but I'm taking it that the general consensus is to avoid this offer. As an earlier poster said himself, there is no real shortcut to online success

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    • Profile picture of the author DaveLloyd
      Originally Posted by Jon Shawcross View Post

      . . . so i get the point about the content, but do we know where this content is coming from? If the feed content is poor, no-one is going to buy the affiliate product anyway
      Jon
      They are going to host a webinar for members on Thursday. This email was sent out today, so, hopefully, shortly, everything will become clear.

      A Message From the CBPredators Team
      CB Predator Training webinar announced...

      Just wanted to shoot you a quick email
      to you let you know about the cool things
      we have planned for you....

      First of all in the next few days we will have
      a special "plugin" for you that is going to
      auto post unique content to your blogs...

      Secondly we are going to show you
      exactly how to create a site...

      At the end we will answer all questions...

      Keep an eye out for the webinar invite..

      We will be hosting it on Thursday...

      Talk soon guys & gals,
      CB Predator Team

      P.S We are going to prove to you that
      this is the best investment you have ever
      made
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      • Profile picture of the author filcan
        Hi,

        I did purchase the software earlier today and here is my first impression.

        Yes it is fast to put up review sites in 30 minutes or less. I was able to put up 4 sites and the last one in 15 minutes or less because I basically did not write anything in the boxes, I just wanted to see how many I could make total. I was able to make 4 only because I did not refresh between the third and fourth so i guess I did beat the system a little bit.

        Now, here is my total disappointment. Once you are done and your sites are up you get to a total dead end and you just end up with a normal Wordpress sites and there was no Clickbank affiliate links anywhere to be seen. There is no special plugins included and no content automation that I can see. If it is coming well that is no good to me as I was expecting to be able to make money within 15 minutes LOL ...here is what I received from them minutes ago "*In 15 Minutes From Now You Can Have Your First Sale*". I think the hype has got the best of them.

        I mean, come on, I have been building site with WPDirect for a while now and even with the fantastic auto content submitter and a few thousands of visitors per month I have yet to make any money worth mentioning.

        I was very skeptical from the very start but I figured that if they are lying I could always get a few FREE sites that I can develop with WPDirect and get a full refund from Clickbank and that is probably what I'll end up doing but I'll wait to see what the Magic Plugins are all about.

        If you did not buy it yet I would wait and see.

        Thanks for reading

        Regis
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  • Profile picture of the author DaveLloyd
    Not too sure about this 3 sites a month thing!!

    I think what it boils down to is that you can choose from materials (created by their content team) for 3 sites a month (7 if you upgrade), but. . . you are able to build as many sites as you like off your own bat??

    But, if that is correct, I have absolutely no idea of how you set about it.

    I am off to attempt to build my #1 site.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Bradley
      Having read the Sales Page I referred to RULE 1: "If it sounds too good to be true then it probably is." So,that's why I won't be investing in this programme.
      I totally agree with 'infinite',there are no 'magic bullet' 'quick fix' solutions.There is only APTITUDE and APPLICATION - this is the true path to success.

      Kind regards,

      Mark.
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      • Profile picture of the author DaveLloyd
        Originally Posted by Mark Bradley 66 View Post

        Having read the Sales Page I referred to RULE 1: "If it sounds too good to be true then it probably is." So,that's why I won't be investing in this programme.
        I totally agree with 'infinite',there are no 'magic bullet' 'quick fix' solutions.There is only APTITUDE and APPLICATION - this is the true path to success.

        Kind regards,

        Mark.
        Agreed!

        However, there are tools we can use along the way and this just might be one of them!

        It might also turn out to be something that is only of interest to the rawest of newbies.

        I guess we will just have to wait and see.

        Dave
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  • Profile picture of the author stevecl
    I just love these types of launches ( bought enough of them in the past) Seriously, you have really got to stop buying the dream. Making money online takes time and alot of effort, there is no quick fix.

    Save your money...

    Just My 2 cents
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    • Profile picture of the author DaveLloyd
      Originally Posted by stevecl View Post

      I just love these types of launches ( bought enough of them in the past) Seriously, you have really got to stop buying the dream. Making money online takes time and alot of effort, there is no quick fix.

      Save your money...

      Just My 2 cents
      There are however many tools that we all use like autoresponders, sitebuilders, a huge array of software applications, pop ups, WordPress itself, a list of scripts that would circle the globe many times. . . .

      But I agree, if you are just buying the dream you are up a very smelly creek without a paddle!

      Dave
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  • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
    yes people are correct you get 5 options to promote
    yes you could create more sites of your own back but the system seems to lock up after you have created 3 sites, or it has in my case
    i'm waiting for support to come back to me.... off to check my clickbank.... back.... it's been a couple of hours - no sales ;(

    Seriously though you do need to work the sites a bit, main thing is it just gets the wordpress up quicker i guess and installs the plugins in theme

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    • Profile picture of the author DaveLloyd
      Originally Posted by thesuccesscoach View Post

      . . . but the system seems to lock up after you have created 3 sites, or it has in my case
      i'm waiting for support to come back to me.... off to check my clickbank.... back.... it's been a couple of hours - no sales.
      Richard, you must have bought the Irish version!

      I'm really disappointed that you have no sales yet!

      I haven't built my first site yet, I'll probably hold off until after the webinar and the release of the plugin etc.

      Dave
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      • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
        Dave that must be it

        could it be an ip based thing

        ithe members site and that's it three sites no option to delete a site, so you gotta be careful but i'm sure support will help me out....
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        • Profile picture of the author DaveLloyd
          Originally Posted by thesuccesscoach View Post

          Dave that must be it

          could it be an ip based thing

          ithe members site and that's it three sites no option to delete a site, so you gotta be careful but i'm sure support will help me out....
          Yes, it seems to be any three from five, or seven from nine if you upgrade.

          I hope that it is just a temporary glitch though that is preventing you from correcting mistakes etc.

          Dave
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  • Profile picture of the author DaveLloyd
    You're absolutely right Kevin, they always seem to jump the gun with these launches which is one reason why I usually avoid them like the plague.

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  • Profile picture of the author filcan
    This is exactly what I meant by reaching a dead end when you are done installing your site.
    The plugins are simply not yet available. Here is the message posted in the training area " ...First of all in the next few days we will have
    a special "plugin" for you that is going to
    auto post unique content to your blogs...

    Secondly we are going to show you
    exactly how to create a site......"

    Not very helpful to someone expecting to make money within 15 minutes right?

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  • Profile picture of the author DaveLloyd
    I haven't built a site yet Regis, I am going to sit back and see what materialises over the next few days before I get too involved.

    As you mentioned in your previous post we have 60 days to make our minds up.

    Dave
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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    I think the mayor flaw of this BC Predator is that was up without been finished yet.

    Yes, I bought it... Hi I'm Chris and I am a IMOHollic...

    I tried and tested for a while since I bought it and here is my first impressions.

    First the Offer of products to promote is limited to 8, some of them in crowded niches and promoted by thousands of more expirienced affiliates (newbies... sorry).

    In second place no training, just a short video explaining how to start, but nothing in detail (newbies... sorry again).

    Once you pick a product you have to create a review page, they give you one in chunks that you have to rewrite, no explanation on how to rewrite well and no screw up with what you put, no consideration on keyowrds or whatsoever (newbies... sorry once again).

    There is a part where you need to put your server details in order to create the site. No further explanation about this (beside the short video), Is not that techie but you can screw it easily... actually I screw my first site... If you screw it in this part you have no turn back, you can't delete it and you only have two more chances to do it right...
    As I screw my first site and I don't want to spend the others without further information, I wrote to the support desk (no answer yet).

    Anyway I haven't my first site up yet so I don't have Idea how it looks like or what plugins has on it.

    I'm going to wait for the answer of the support team before I make a decision to keep it or not...

    My opinion so far... when you have a product you have to be sure that is proven to work and has all the tools and material you promise ready to use before you launch it... if there are missing links, under construction pages, or no content in the training... is better to delay the date of launch than put on the air a product that will create distrust on his quality to the users.

    There is only one chance to make a first impression.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      OK GUYS...

      I bought this not out of necessity, but curiousity. Especially as it came as a sincere recommendation from a trusted marketer whos' list I've been on for months.

      Here's the short version...

      1. There is NO TRAINING (they promise a webinar tomorrow, but that's not good enough for me. Sort your s###t before you sell it)

      2. There only seems to be an option to choose between 5 x different affiliate template sites (all Clickbank). Not sure what happened to the promise of being able to promote ANY program or affiliate product, from ANY network...because you definately can't do that in my version.

      3. The whole selling point was "click and point, no content creation hassles either". Yet, there's no indication of premade content on the site, or if there is, it's not clear or apparent. In fact, there's nothing there at all really...apart from a basic create site feature and a welcome video that explains you're on a website and you're a human, living on planet Earth.

      I said to myself before buying...this is definately one of those too good to be true things, and low and behold, my judgement was correct.

      DO NOT BUY THIS FOLKS. TOTAL HYPE, AND IN FACT, I'D GO AS FAR AS TO SAY THIS IS FALSE ADVERTISING AND A SCAM.

      I'd love to see what the FTC have to say about this.

      Anyway, no loss to me...back to working on my real business which REALLY works and makes me REAL money.

      Hope this helps,

      Nick
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by kevintg1 View Post

      Hi Nick i wont the long version...

      and what is your real business is it online or off
      kev
      Well, the long version is that I've unsubbed from the once respected marketer who reccommended it to me (or should I say pimped it to me). I'm also considering a trip to rip off report too...and if I still feel groggy about this, I might even give the FTC a quick tinkle....


      I'm sick of hard working good guys struggle and bust their butts, whilst guys like this come along with nothing more than the intention to make as much money as possible from a launch...

      ...and "hey, we'll worry about the actual product and the dweebs who made us rich later...after we've had a party on them..."

      Maybe that's a bit harsh, but it's true...this is what's happening here.

      TOTAL LIES, DECEIT AND FALSE ADVERTISING.

      Only about 10% of the sales copy actually reflects what's inside (which really is nothing much at all).

      My business? I work online mate. Copywriter, info product creator, affiliate marketer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    with all due respect George, unless you've seen behind the scenes, I'm not sure how you can make that sort of judgement on it.

    Trust me, buy it and see for yourself. It is NOT what was advertised.

    At best, it is a glorified FTP tool that has cookie cutter content (supposedly) already in the site, and some graphics/layout.

    But in terms of effectiveness, it comes down to the content on your site, and the meta data...for which there is NO training as yet.

    Some more differences -

    Sales copy = "build a site in 15 minutes and in 18 clicks"
    Truth = rewrite content, make it unique, spend time doing keyword research, plan your titles and description tags...and then click submit

    Sales copy = "totally unique, no limit to the sites you can build"
    Truth = limited to 5 sites, no option to promote your own affiliate products outside the preset selection, which again, was a specific selling point in the copy

    Sales copy = ohh, I'm bored of this. I could go on and on, but my dinner is ready. Better things to do. I've said my piece, hopefully it will save you the personal time wasting. Otherwise, take the plunge and prove me wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    What is CB Predators? on Vimeo <--- by mike merz himself
    (Mine are prettier tho, they have music j/k )

    I myself made/uploaded a few like this too, they are on youtube. Who cares about "i make that much money on CB" videos?

    BUT..you have a point and i do agree with some other opinions here, MAYBE their marketing just went wrong in that regards and instead of focusing on "let me show you my $18k in my CB account" they should have used the other videos in their promotion to show and demonstrate the actual product AND WHAT IT DOES <--- maybe this is the big problem here.

    Anyway i knew about those videos for a few weeks already and i knew exactly what the system will do..a simple cbpredators search on Google Videos would show you a bunch of those videos.

    Thats why i am a little lost here...

    mine:

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        Originally Posted by 1ChrisFox View Post


        5) We will be hosting webinars... frequently... we're not going to leave our customers in no mans land... we're here to help you... we will train you... we're not going anywhere....
        You promised the same to Google Terminator members, and haven't been in the membership area since December 2009.
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      • Profile picture of the author moonradar77
        Chris,

        I sent numerous messages through support tickets and when there was no response, I had ClickBank send you several. Still, NEVER was the issue answered! My time was wasted as I had the top techs at Hostgator scratch their heads as YOUR software said the site was PUBLISHED but was no where to be found.

        Are you selling what you yourself are using? I'm guessing there was no response because you couldn't fix it!

        Perhaps, some will like it but I am sorry as it did not work for me.

        Also, why do you sell memberships to Platinum, when there was nothing in the dashboard except 'Coming Soon?'

        I wish you well,

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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    Actually George, I think you're overlooking the sales letter entirely.

    I love sales letters, I am a full time copywriter mate.

    So let's try this once more...

    1. Claim of creating sites in 15 mins and 18 clicks, with no need to create content. FALSE. You have to create or rewrite the content.

    2. Unlimted offers you can use this for. FALSE. you can only use this for the predetermined siite templates (of which there are currently only 5x , and apparently, the future ones will be limited to first come first served)

    3. NO TRAINING. Released a product that is incomplete, if that's your thing, then fair enough, but I have issues with that

    and then there's the endless mis leading and downright false claims...

    "Forget everything you've seen or heard about building sites, paying for traffic, wasting time with linking campaigns and all that garbage... have everything done for you, every single time... your biggest problem is how to spend all the money"

    (except you have to build the content, work out which keyword to use, enter the right meta data...buy the right domain, hosting)

    "How to weigh in and effectively promote any affiliate product you want... no matter how much competition, you'll get yours, every single time... and you'll do it automatically, with just a few mouse clicks."

    (I believe I have already addressed this one in numerous posts already, including earlier in this thread)

    "So you won't have to spend hours building links, writing articles and all that other junk..."

    (unless you count the writing of the content of course)

    "Never worry about not knowing where to start, or getting traffic or any of those other pesky details again... CB Predator covers absolutely everything for you... just follow the stupidly simple setup, and you're ready to make money"

    (apart from the fact there's NO training or help as we speak)

    "Even if you took this tool and really ran with it - I mean, really got the engines revving, and put together say 500 killer sites, all making monster income...

    ... and ten thousand other people all did the same...

    ... you still wouldn't even scratch the surface of what's out there.

    And I mean that with 100% sincerity.

    You see, there's a hidden trick with CB Predator - something that most people will never even want to use - but the ones that do are the ones that are going to get filthy stinking rich."

    (except that there's only 5 x preset templates for specific CLickbank only offers, and that's your lot, perhaps for an entire month?)

    "You won't be churning out cookie-cutter dupe content sites or anything like that.

    I've made it so that it's super easy to make every site unique - I mean, it takes seconds.

    And with every user creating unique sites, there won't be any competition."

    (maybe I'm missing something here, but that's not what I'm seeing when I log in)

    Those are the main ones I picked up on, haven't had time to really look past these howlers...
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Nick,

    might comment on the rest later...but only

    (except you have to build the content, work out which keyword to use, enter the right meta data...buy the right domain, hosting)
    puzzles me big time.

    Well OF COURSE you need to buy "the right domain" and you need hosting, you are creating a web site.

    And you "build" the content based on those templates, "work out what keywords to use", meta data etc.

    I am just getting more and more puzzled by those review...let's say i promote a product (ok, lets simply use cb predators)... YOU CAN GET AND ENTER THIS INFORMATION IN 15 SECONDS.

    Maybe i am not fair right now, maybe i am having trouble to put myself in the shoes of someone who NEVER EVER made a site, ever....but i simply cant see where the issue here is, AT ALL <---
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by 1ChrisFox View Post

      Hi. This is Chris Fox here from The CB Predators...

      I have been directed to this thread were quite honestly I have read some false and misleading information...

      There are people who have made posts who clearly have no idea what they are talking about...




      I assume you are referring to ME when you speak of people who "don't know what they are talking about".

      FYI...

      I've been building sites since 2006, with Dreamweaver. I've been a full time professional copywriter, infoproduct marketer and affiliate marketer since 2007...

      ...and when it comes to your specific product, I have merely identified some very clear issues in this very thread, which you STILL haven't actually addressed.

      Forgive me if I am missing something, or don't seem to know what I am talking about, but that's because you released a product with NO training material or user intuitive features...

      ...and it's great you're doing webinars or teleseminars, and you're planning upgrades, but don't assume people will happy to go hungry after paying for half a sandwich when they ordered a steak.

      P.S - I wouldn't be saying any of this if you hired a copywriter who knew how to sell without dangerously twisting the truth beyond reason or reality.
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      ...the issue for me is that i simply think that (most) of what's being said here is simply not true...respective doesn't make sense to me.

      For example the last one who complained he had to enter keywords and meta data. Sorry...this is where i simply cannot follow anymore.

      Give me one person who bought it, telling that it doesnt create such web sites, the interface wouldn't work..etc..etc. ONE SOLID ARGUMENT which would legitimate the use of words like "scam" like some people did. Do you understand my point?

      When i started this thread i wanted opinions because the system looks interesting, period. I say this as someone who builds web sites constantly, i know how much work it takes. I dont need to "defend" the product (or myself), i simply want to understand why people have the negative attitude.....their points are (imho) a little weak and simply don't do the product (and what it does) justice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    ok, don't worry George, let's just let bygones be bygones. I guess somewhere along the line, you've had a different presentation and explanation that I had on the sales copy.

    And as for your points, the domain aspect I meant...

    Do we assume that we have to pick the right keyword to go in the domain (GUESS? BASED ON GOOGLE SNIPER METHOD? WHO KNOWS???). Does it matter?

    The content issue...

    Where can you get unique reviews in 15 seconds?

    Essentially, it seems you've been sold on a program which builds affiliate review templates, and myself and others have been sold on a software program that builds that entire site, with none-dupe content, automatically ranks in Google, and gets you hands free traffic within 15 minutes and 18 clicks.

    If you don't believe me, check the sales page out again...it's all there in big letters...several times.

    Apart from that, I really don't know how else to explain this discrepancy any clearer to you. If you're still lost, then let's call it a day and let people make up their own minds.

    Hopefully this whole thing can be put down to a rookie, over excited copywriter, or the fact that the product was released waaaay before it was publically ready and fully functional.
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    it should be agreat program especially for Newbies. Headr about it before and read as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      No worries, because this thread really gave me a migraine and i might be off doing something else for a while, simply to "calm down"

      Where did i "attack" people?

      As i understood you right your question was what to enter as meta data, keywords and so forth. (?) I replied back i have problems understanding your complaint and reasoning since the necessity to enter some site meta data and hardly "qualifies" to call the product a "scam" - in fact its exactly what to expect if someone saw the other videos where it was shown what it does and how it is used.

      Should i blindly agree with you now and say "yes, the product is ***p" because i need to enter some keywords and maybe a description and some other data to build a site? Or simply shut up even if it is 100% against any logic, regardless whether i own the product now or not?

      And....to top all this off, person A is saying the product is bad because its so easy to get a domain and whatever.....person B is saying its bad BECAUSE of this. <---- trying to understand the logic here.

      And i am not attacking someone, and if it looked like i did i APOLOGIZE!! I really prefer constructive discussion. Deal?
      No problem George, always have respect for you my friend. Maybe attack was a strong word. I was just getting frustrated because I was repeatedly trying to give you speficic points of issue, and if you actually look back at my threads, you'll see all the problems I have with this product.

      Forget the meta data thing, I was purely saying that there is a certain ambiguity over pikcing the right keywords to use in your domain (if that's what we should do at all) and how to do the right keyword research and enter the right meta descriptions....

      ,..after all, that's a crucial part of the SEO process which the system relies on, right?

      So if that info in missing, how can one be expected to create sites which actually perform well unless they know how to do these steps properly.

      Again, most of the issues are lack of training, which leaves tons of questions unanswered...

      I hope you can see this now?!

      Sorry if this got a bit tied up and confused, but I stand by my issues full heartedly...there are fundamental flaws with this product...and a classic "let's focus on the launch, not the customer" oversight, whether intentional or not from Chris, which really rubs people the wrong way.

      I don't care what the excuse is, there is not excuse for not having the basic training or help available to actually use the product.

      Combine that issue with all the other little niggles about the actual lack of potential with the software, and the fact that I STILL haven't received an email as a customer, despite the owner spending time signing up to and posting in this forum instead, and it's a recipe for bitterness and anger.

      Anyway, no hard feelings...let's all just get back to what we all do best...making MOOLAH!
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        I tell you after reading this whole thread, it's a done deal for me to be checking out this forum for product reviews b4 proceeding to making any purchase.

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  • Profile picture of the author infinite
    I have to agree with Neodarth here...

    My opinion so far... when you have a product you have to be sure that is proven to work and has all the tools and material you promise ready to use before you launch it... if there are missing links, under construction pages, or no content in the training... is better to delay the date of launch than put on the air a product that will create distrust on his quality to the users.
    It would be better for them to have held off on the launch than to release a product that was not 100% finished. The only reason to launch "on time" is to ensure that JV partners are not inconvenienced however what about the end user?

    Originally Posted by kevintg1 View Post

    you can get this for $57 if you keep clicking off, you get $10 discount
    That type of sales tactic annoys the cr*p out of me. I can't understand why marketers use that tactic. Sure - it DOES generate more sales but what about the "goodwill" of those who purchased at full price? I know I paid $67 and even if the product WAS good, i'd still feel a bit ripped off for taking action immediately when others procrastinated and got a better deal.

    Originally Posted by filcan View Post

    Now, here is my total disappointment. Once you are done and your sites are up you get to a total dead end and you just end up with a normal Wordpress sites and there was no Clickbank affiliate links anywhere to be seen. There is no special plugins included and no content automation that I can see. If it is coming well that is no good to me as I was expecting to be able to make money within 15 minutes LOL ...here is what I received from them minutes ago "*In 15 Minutes From Now You Can Have Your First Sale*". I think the hype has got the best of them.
    I too ended up with a site with no affiliate links. As I mentioned, it's not a biggie for me to edit the Wordpress blog post but for others who are not familiar with Wordpress, this defeats the whole purpose of the product. My ticket on this is unanswered after 24 hours.

    Also - I received a member update this morning:

    "If you have made a screw up with one of your sites....

    Don't worry all you have to do is contact us and we will reset it for you...

    Your new to this software, mistakes will happen. We understand that.

    If you have made a scew up let us know and we will reset your account."


    Cool... but "I" didn't make a screw up... the software just didn't work as it was supposed to and didn't add affiliate links.

    They DID however qualify this at the end with:

    "We thank you for your patience....Everything will be running 100% soon,"

    I have my opinion on this product but realize everyone has the right to their own opinion. I do however believe that anyone giving such an opinion should in fact have tried and tested the system for themselves :-)

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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    and the surgeon shakes his head, as the last heart beat strikes the patient...and shouts..."NEEEXXXTT PLEAAASSEEE..."

    All round utterly BAD example of launching a product. In fact, this is a great lesson of "what not to do" when trying to launch a new business and reputation...

    ...over promise, under deliver

    ...promise solid support, but ignore your irate customers (despite two tickets)

    ...make excuses that don't excuse the faults

    ...accuse people of not knowing what they are talking about

    ...use marketing tactics that obliterate trust
    (price discounts for those who leave without buying is a major MISTAKE. To those who bought at the lower price, what makes you think others aren't getting a better deal than you? what makes you think this company is honest and fair? how does it feel to have people who want the product less than you, paying less for it?


    ...and, well, that should just about wrap it up.

    Thank goodness for Clickbank's no hassle refund policy.
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    • Profile picture of the author angela99
      (Sigh) I HATE, HATE, HATE having to ask for a refund for a product I very much wanted to like.

      However, several hours after buying, I've asked for a refund, both for CB Predators and for the CB Predators Platinum Member upgrade.

      Here's what I wrote to ClickBank re CB Predators when I asked for a refund:

      I am very disappointed with this product. The sales page made huge promises,
      but the product is nowhere near ready to sell. Please provide a refund.


      Here's what I wrote to ClickBank re the CB Predators Platinum Member upgrade when I asked for a refund:

      This product isn't available in the membership area -- the Platinum members
      area is completely blank. I'm very disappointed. (I requested a refund for the
      primary CBPredators product too.)


      Why did I ask for refunds?

      Here's why:

      * The sales page is deceptive. It implies you can set up as many sites as you like (the real limit is seven per month, three with the standard continuity, and another four per month if you buy the Platinum).

      * The product isn't ready to sell, not by a long shot.

      I've bought other products which were basically just WordPress installers (which is what CB Predators is), then had huge problems when I tried to upgrade WordPress itself on the sites later.

      Now, a problem upgrading one site isn't a huge problem. Multiply that by 20 sites, and IT IS a huge problem. And it's a problem which costs money to fix.

      There's nothing in CB Predators at all which is professional, polished, and ready for primetime, so there's no way I'd risk their installer, realizing that I might have great problems down the road...

      That's my two cents' worth, FWIW. Your mileage may vary...
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  • Profile picture of the author filcan
    Ok So I did buy CBPredator and I did install 3 site. (Just to clarify that I know what I'm doing for having tried it)

    I was going to wait and maybe give it a chance but the input from Chris Fox here just convinced me that it was not worth to even wait for them to fix numerous and obvious problems. His interaction here was a big farce.

    It simply does not do what the sales page was saying it would period.

    I have just sent in my "Refund Request" to Clickbank and I will move on and go back to working hard building normal WordPress blogs the ethical way.

    I'm ready to move on.

    Regis
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by gcintermed View Post

      So I guess it's back to using an affiliate theme and putting together the reviews myself Meanwhile, maybe someone else can see the opportunity here and a build a product that delivers.
      as this thread nicely proves, this is not always predictable ...

      Assuming you are also an affiliate for a number of products, you know that we often don't have any other information to work with than what the "general public" knows, most of the time.

      Here is the kicker:

      THE CUSTOMER has actually the freedom to buy product X, try it and (thanks to clickbank) it is ensured he gets his money back if he decides so. No sweat. You didn't even lose money at the end! You might be angry, feel ripped off, etc... UNDERSTANDABLE. But you get your money back.

      THE AFFILIATE has it even worse (in a sense) since no one imburses them for time and money spent, websites, promotion etc. For sure not pleasant either. (And i hope you will agree )
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    FINAL WARNING

    Talk about the product, not about people.

    There have been some incredibly stupid posts on here questioning Georg's integrity.

    If you are a Warrior, you are expected to treat other Warriors with respect. Just because somebody holds a minority opinion does not mean that they should be abused.


    Talk about the PRODUCT. Frankly, at this stage, we're only interested in REVIEWS from Warriors that have bought the product.

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  • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
    a very intersting thread i must say
    ok i received the email that said if you screwed up sites you'd get them fixed, ie we'll get to remake our three sites.

    however i can not see any place in the membership that actually shows were you can make unlimited sites as Chris said.

    perhaps this is coming, but as others said it's a bad show when a product is released unfinished! perhaps this is a way to keep you going on for another month.

    i'll give it another week and if not it'll be another refund request - do clickbank take note of all these people who produce these products?

    to be honest i might get a bad rep with clickbank but if the product does not perform i want my money back!¬

    i'll keep you updated

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    • Profile picture of the author richieu
      There is a customer webinar today including a Q&A....Hopefully we'll have a little more clarity as to when everything is up and running as specified?

      ATB
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    What worries me in this thread is that people who like the program are going to be too scared to post, after some of the (now removed) comments that Georg has had to put up with.

    I asked a 'guru' friend of mine about sales for this product. `He said that he had sold about 35 copies. One person had asked for a refund but four had written to him praising the product and thanking him. A somewhat different story from what we are seeing here.

    The guru said that he had doubts about the available help and the sales letter but that he had tried the program himself and was having promising results so far.

    Let's remember that this is only a $67 product and that you have a 60 day guarantee through Clickbank. Please keep a sense of proportion. One person posted 13 times in one day in this thread, all now removed, even though he didn't own the product. Ridiculous.


    Pearson


    PS Please do not take this as my personal endorsement for this product. I have not bought it and will not buy it. However, my job here is to ensure a fair debate, free from bullying.
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
      I promoted CBPredators to my subscribers.

      As with every product I promote, I asked the creators to give me access in advance of the launch so that I could test it out to make sure I was happy to put my name to it.

      As a result, prior to the official launch I had created two sites and had shown them both to my subscribers.

      One used the basic FlexSqueeze default theme (and a few articles added that I got from EzineArticles): Facts About Abs

      The other had no extra articles, but I had made some changes to the look of the theme to make the site look a little prettier: Pregnancy Miracle Review

      I don't know anyone else who promoted who took the trouble to do that. For me, making sure my readers know what they are getting is more important than positions on launch leaderboards.

      The first site took me about half an hour to create - including adding the articles - because I was learning my way. The second one took about 15-20 minutes.

      Both sites were indexed by Google quite fast (I added a link to one of them from my blog and put a link to site 2 in site 1) and although neither seem to be ranked high enough for me to find them, my stats show that traffic is starting to come from search engines. (Mainly from Bing). Only a trickle, admittedly, but it is early days.

      When I was testing the program, and at the time I was telling my readers about the sites I'd built, I had not seen the sales page, so was unaware of the various promises made. As far as I was concerned CBPredators was simply a quick way to build optimized review blogs.

      Could I make the sites without CBPredators?

      Yes, of course. But not as quickly. I very much liked that the reviews were pre-written - yes, I knew I had to rewrite them, but it is way faster for me to rewrite something that exists than to think up something new to say on my own. That alone saved me a lot of time.

      So I was happy to recommend CBPredators simply on that basis.

      I didn't really notice that there was a lack of training materials because there didn't seem to me to be much that needed explanation.

      That was all prior to the launch.

      After the launch, and after I saw what was being promised on the sales page, I was a bit surprised to see how much hype was written.

      The claim that you can make money after just 15 minutes is nonsense, in my opinion. I am sure my sites - if they continue to get traffic as they already are - will make sales. In fact, checking my ClickBank stats shows that there have already been ten order form impressions. No sales yet, but at this rate I'd be surprised if there wasn't one soon.

      There are also promises made for parts of the system that don't seem to be finished yet. I'm not entirely happy about that either - if you are going to launch a major product, I think it should be at least 99% ready, not about 60% as seems to be the case here.

      Mind you - they are not the first to rush a product to market and worry about getting it right later, and nor will they be the last.

      What will be important is how fast they address the clear issues.

      I note that there are more training videos there now - they are not great, but they are a start.

      I don't understand how the system can make other sites for you, one not based on the prewritten reviews. This seems to be an important option, but I'd like someone to explain to me how to do it.

      I also don't understand how the system adds content, as promised in the sales letter. There doesn't seem to be anything in my sites that could allow that. Perhaps that is something that is 'coming soon.'

      All in all, I was very happy to promote CBPredators and still stand by my initial recommedation. It is a great idea and as far as the basic sitebuilding is concerned, it works.

      I would have much preferred them to have all their ducks in a row before launch, or to have been up front about the delays and either put it back a week or warn new subscribers that there is a hold up. A timetable of when stuff will be added or fixed would have been nice too.

      I have skyped with Jerome Chapman and Mike Merz and know that they are committed, and working furiously behind the scenes, so have confidence that this will come good very quickly.

      But to all those people who are crying 'scam' and rushing to ask for refunds, I have to ask 'why?'

      This is a ClickBank product. You have time to wait. Give it a few weeks and if they haven't made good by then - that's the time to ask for a refund. ClickBank isn't going anywhere.

      I've created and launched products of my own and understand teething problems. Maybe the problems that CBPredators face are of their own making, but let's give them a chance to put things right before we send out the lynch mob.

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  • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
    Well again this thread is interesting and thanks to Martin for that last comment
    i'm holding out a littler longer to see what transpires

    I think what must be remembered, like everything this is a tool we can use, and we can do it other ways

    put it this way, it can save time and make the process of fiddling around with wordpress easier, so in that sense i like it

    what i don't like is i can't delete the sites i made a mess of,
    i can't seem to see where i can create unlimited sites
    etc

    i'll wait and see

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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post


      THE CUSTOMER has actually the freedom to buy product X, try it and (thanks to clickbank) it is ensured he gets his money back if he decides so. No sweat. You didn't even lose money at the end! You might be angry, feel ripped off, etc... UNDERSTANDABLE. But you get your money back.
      First of all, I've seen a few replies in this vein...

      "Who cares? You can get a full refund so what's the problem?"

      My response to that is...

      Would you care if someone stole your wallet and promised to return the money if you ask him for it back?

      Would you care if you returned home one night and your home had been broken into, but the thieves got caught and promised to return everything at the end of the month?

      Would you care if your local restaurant got you to book a table on Valentines day, based on the fact that you'd get a 2 for 1 deal and free drinks, cooked by a celebrity chef, then when you arrived it was burgers and chips, 1 free diet coke and the celebrity chef was just a gimmick to get your money? Oh, but don't worry, "we'll refund you every penny"

      The point is, you were put out of time, and mis-led.

      BOTTOM LINE? Deception and treating people in this manner is NOT COOL folks, whether you get your refund or not. It damages the entire industry and consumer trust...

      ...and maybe next time, not so many people will snap up that special offer that seems so good...and darn it, it could be YOUR business that loses out, depsite being legit and totally what is advertised on the box.

      Why can't more people see this fact? Don't you see how the damage affects us ALL?

      Why do you think we need to create free offers, dozens of autoresponder follow ups, tons of social proof and testimonials, loads of bonuses, scarcity, seal of trust logos, months of relationship building... and on, and on...more than ever before?

      BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE GET BURNED, THEY PUT ON THEIR FIREPROOF JACKETS AND STAND WELL BACK NEXT TIME.

      Not just in our industry, but all over, in all markets...and because it's ALREADY hard to establish trust on the internet when you can't physically meet your buyer face to face, it doesn't help when others are going around raising the BS detector, putting the fear of buying and lack of trust into people's minds...

      ...people that would have been YOUR future buyers.

      Secondly...

      THE AFFILIATE has it even worse (in a sense) since no one imburses them for time and money spent, websites, promotion etc. For sure not pleasant either. (And i hope you will agree
      Whaaaat? You expect me to feel sorry for an affiliate who doesn't CHECK what he/she is promoting, and therefore makes themselves look like a snatch and grab, in it for the money marketer, who is all of a sudden "put out" by all of this?

      Please...the REAL affiliates like Martin Avis, who bothered to buy the product and test it (FULL RESPECT), are the only people who really did any "work" and kept their integrity.

      No offense, but slapping up some fake review pages (and yes, unless you bought the product and tested it, they ARE fake) and sending out an email is NOT what I constitute "hard work", whether time and money was spent or not.

      Finally, speaking of Martin, THANK YOU for the most comprehensive and fair review yet. Clearly, you have a great deal of integrity, which can be seen by the fact that you bought the product and tested it before you recommended it to your subscribers...

      ...and the fact that you highlighted the same issues as myself and others in this thread, speaks volumes over more ambiguous, spurious contributions.

      @peasonbrown - I agree, there is NO need for personal attacks. I didn't see those, but I am not surprised they got deleted. There's no need for that behaviour.

      And finally, I also want to comment with my usage of the word "scam" being a bit strong...

      According to the dictionary, the word scam is to "deprive somebody of something by deceit;"

      That is exactly what has been done here. The sales pitch sold one thing, the product delivered something lesser, significantly lesser. That is deceit, no two ways around it.

      My only retraction of that would be if the product owners actually ended up delivering on their claims made on their sales page in the future...or perhaps, just maybe, delivered a fully functioning product in the first place (at least folks could then say..."well, it's not quite what they made out, but still, it's working and helping me".
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      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
        Martin Avis,

        wonderful comment...i agree on so many levels with you, nothing more to add.

        Nick:

        You are sharing your *very* negative opinion throughout this thread already, and honestly, i don't see anything constructive will arise from arguing with you since your opinion is so set in stone.

        I was extremely relieved seeing Martin writing that he tested the product, he was missing some training material but HE THOUGHT that the system was basically straight forward and (personally) he didn't need further help to make a couple of sites.

        Before i made my "review" sites or whatever you want to call them i ALSO had a very clear impression of what the product is and what it does - from some of the videos released before launch and from my own understanding of working with wordpress.

        There was at least a couple of videos showing basically FROM SCRATCH how he (Chris) made web sites using the system, how he used his templates, entered information etc. and how after about 15mins he created some sites. I could follow what the system is and how it works, step by step, based on the videos alone.

        THIS IS EXACTLY what my web sites are based on, for me simply that i understood enough of the product and how it works which (IMHO) legitimates to write about its potential, how it can help affiliates building sites.

        Again, you use a very strong word like "fake review" sites, but to be honest since your opinion seems to be so set in stone....its pointless.

        I also think its kind of disturbing that you say Martin is the "only one who kept his integrity"..so basically i (and others??) lost their integrity because i made web sites promoting a clickbank product, respective see a potential in the product (still)?

        By the way: I would actually support it big time that any affiliate gets access to a product beforehand, for free actually It would be a win-win situation!
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        • Profile picture of the author Rainmak3r
          Got an email about this a couple of days back and, like always, noobs are all over it like it's chocolate sundae!

          Now, the problem facing A LOT of Internet Marketers, and especially those that end up purchasing this kind of material time and tide, without seeing any measurable results, is not so much failure to sell online, we all know how to sell in real life, give or take.
          The problem however, is about being able to drive HORDES of traffic to your money page, and being able to convert that traffic (in the shortest amount of time)!

          It's all good and dandy (is that a word?) to advertise a semi or fully automated system to sell products off CB but, without being able to understand the fundamentals of driving traffic to your site, CB predators is just another IM product deemed to be forgotten in a couple of months!

          So, learn how to drive traffic first, because, no matter how crappy your site...the more people landing there, the greater the chances of being able to convert just that one idiot (and we know the world is full of them right??) or "valuable customer" (depending on your motivation to become an IM'er) looking specifically for what you're selling.

          The problem with the creators of CBPredators, IMHO, is the fact that they FAIL to communicate that they're SEASONED Internet marketers... they've been doing this for a long while now and they have a mailing list as long as your arm and mine, and then some!

          I'm kind of understanding the whole FTC rules now....
          Why do you think they're able to market any product successfully within the shortest amount of time?
          The keyword CBPredators already filled the first 10 pages of Google before the product even went live!

          That should tell you something!

          I just looked at a video on their sales page showing a Clickbank account with nothing in it, and then 30 days later, has about 20k in it!
          DUH!!... by sending their stuff to their mailing list, JV partners and to their bevvy of affiliates, they made that much $$!

          So, I think it's misleading, telling people they can make 20k in their 1st month, when people buying the stuff have no conceptual understanding of how to make their first $500, let alone $1!
          Besides, the majority of folks also purchasing this type of material have little to no idea what traffic is and, worst of all, how to drive that traffic to a well tested squeeze page that converts like CRAZY!

          Frank Kern's list control is probably all anyone needs right now... teaches you how to get that traffic onto your mailing list, making sure that name and email stays on that list and you can sell to it over and over and over!

          I love internet marketing, but it can be a drag, and the "profits" don't always come in as fast as we would like them to... people have better things to do online, like reading about Octo-mom or tweeting about Dancing with the stars, than go searching for your Viagra website!

          So, take time to understand the motive behind people's buying behavior, and how to get bucketloads of them to your money page, and any niche, and I literally mean that, any niche, can be yours to lose!

          The promise of instant online riches is always hidden in the maze of buzz words on any sales page and, if you look hard enough, you'll realize that the only money being made, is by the product owner who, once the aura of that product has tempered down, will sure come back with another product which... you guessed it, will be more chocolate sundae for the ignorant, yet innocent masses...

          See you at the bank, no, not the coach section where you queue to be served by a bubblegum popping cashier, but the exclusive VIP section where you sit in Lazy boy leather bound couches and tea and croissants are served to "preferred" customers!

          Chocolate sundae anyone?!

          Hope this helps...
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    • Profile picture of the author bethrobinson
      I bought it. I agree the sales letter was very hypey and wish there'd been more set up and ready to go. I really really wish I'd known that I could have gotten the OTO for half off if I'd refused it the first time. But either this thing will make me money and I'll recoup my investment or I'll be getting a refund, so it shouldn't matter too much.

      I've installed my first site. It was easy - although I had to think a little about the ftp bit, just because that tends to confuse me, and I was installing in a folder instead of a main domain. I like that I have access to automatic installation of one of my favorite themes.

      The number of clicks is likely correct, but I think the rewriting will take many people a little longer than those fifteen minutes. No, it doesn't automatically put your links in. You do have to highlight phrases and do it yourself. This is clearly shown in the training video.

      I'm eagerly anticipating the "magic" plug-ins. The sales page explicitly promises no article marketing, backlink building, etc are necessary to make money. We'll see. If I have to do backlink building then the automated site installation is just not worth the money for me, even with the suggestions for programs to promote. There are solutions I'd rather pursue.

      I didn't listen to every word of the training, just clicked forward through screen shots, so I might have missed it, but there really should be something in here somewhere in the training or the template about letting people know these are affiliate links. Newbies might not know yet that disclosure is necessary and in a program like this it should be automatically included, in my opinion.

      I'll check back in when I have some results, one way or another.
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    • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
      thanks Chris, yes I've submitted two support tickets, so i'll wait and see

      one quick question can you put up as many blogs on the one hosting if they are in different folders?

      thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
        Originally Posted by thesuccesscoach View Post

        thanks Chris, yes I've submitted two support tickets, so i'll wait and see

        one quick question can you put up as many blogs on the one hosting if they are in different folders?

        thanks
        I can answer that ... yes you can.

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    • Profile picture of the author DogBite
      Originally Posted by 1ChrisFox View Post

      Hi Chris Fox here again...


      @thesuccesscoach
      have you contacted our support? We will reset your account a.s.a.p, We have brought in another support girl so if your ticket hasn't been answered it will be shortly.

      We hosted the first webinar last night for our customers... showing how to create squeeze pages easily with the template... tick a box easy... putting a site online in less than 15 minutes... we showed the auto spin feature that will be coming shortly... we're just testing the hell out of it to make sure it's 1000%... (all human writer based), the plugin that will auto post content will be coming in by Tuesday max...

      We also showed exactly how to edit the template within a few mouse clicks and a bunch of other stuff... the feedback we got was excellent and already we have some more cool features coming out... thanks to some great suggestions by customers.

      We showed the custom site feature... the reason we didnt have it in is because I wanted to show you how to use it... it will be live across all accounts by tonight's webinar.

      Custom sites is where you can build your blog around any niche/product/keyword you want

      If you are a customer we are hosting another webinar tonight... (we figured out the audio problem that was going on). Also tonights webinar will be recorded and I'm putting last nights one in the training area now.. (first 45 minutes were missed)

      Also I would like remind people again, we will know a week or more before the rest of the world about new product launches so you will get the jump... not only that, last night on the webinar a customer asked if they release a product will we put it inside the members area for other customers to promote... which is a great suggestion..

      There will be a form going up shortly that will allow customers to submit their upcoming product for us to review before we put it into our system.

      I will continue to check in here from time to time
      Hi Chris,
      I am one of your Beta test Members (those initial 2000.) I have a support ticket in the system asking for a reset and it has been in since last Thursday 4/22. I am still waiting.

      I did make a mistake in my setup process. Now I am in limbo. The system uploaded a site to a non-existent domain and did not give me an error message.

      Here is the support desk ticket info.
      A request for support has been created and assigned ticket #497036
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        All is working now and it seems like support is up and running.
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    • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
      ok chris thanks for the updates when will the unlimited feature be available and the plugins!

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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    Looks like here I'll have a faster answer than contacting the support team... I have a domain whe I build all my review blogs (this is something that I'm doing for a while). Using fantastico I can create as many wp blogs as I want within that domain... Can I do the same with CBP? or I need to buy a domain and use it as subdomain...?
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Rainmak3r,

    you have some very good points! Mind you, what you are saying applies for many of the "big guns" in IM, it can really be applied on broad scale.

    The problem is therefore a clash between customer expectations, marketing and what the actual product is and what it is used for.

    From that point of view, we have a prime example of a product which COULD have been marketed in a total different way, simply as the tool what it actually is. Imagine, instead of "seasoned marketers" like C. Fox some unknown software developer would market this - with the difference that the product would LIKELY not get/have gotten any attention at all.

    Would it have been marketed that way, there would also be no "obligation" to tell the customers they need an understanding of some basics, they could simply sell it as a tool which has this very specific purpose - no added "sales hype" and no obligation to back up statements in the sales letter.

    The problem here therefore is that for this product typical "clickbank" marketing techniques have been used..attracting NOT only people who already know such basics, but also people who simply wouldn't be able to use the product to its fullest advantage. The perceived quality of the product will vary with the expectations the customer has, based on what he read in the sales-letter - and it will also be different based on skill level of customer.
    One person might indeed see it as a good tool to make more web sites, and the other person might simply be lost and wonder where the $20k will be coming from. That's how i see it.
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    This is the last warning before this thread gets locked.

    All we are looking for are INTELLIGENT REVIEWS from PEOPLE WHO HAVE USED THIS PRODUCT.

    If you have some general philosophical point about premature product launches, make it in the Main Forum.

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    I'm afraid this appears to have fallen on deaf ears. So I'm closing this thread until Monday morning.

    That should give some time for everyone to calm down and for new purchasers to try out the product and give us INFORMED REVIEWS.
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    • Profile picture of the author murmel
      As I said earlier, I have bought the product and had now a few days to try and play with it.

      The training section includes at the moment 5 videos, where they show you the steps on how to create a new site.
      I found, you will need way longer to put up a blog, if you want to produce quality content. The content template is there to give you ideas, but I think it is advisable to create your own phrases and write an honest review.
      You can choose to use one of the now 11 products (non-upgraded member) or you can create sites with your own, favored products.
      Then you will go through a few more steps where you need to give details of the actual domain url you want the site to be installed. Also, you need to put in your server- and ftp-details.

      The whole process of installing the site is done within a few minutes. So far, the sales letter is right.

      Now, in my case there are a few points to talk about:
      • So far my verdict is that it is very comfortable to put up a site within a few minutes, technically. But it takes you way longer, if you really want to produce a quality website.
      • I must have screwed up my ftp details, so the site did not get installed at all, although I got the message during the installation process that everything was saved and installed successfully. There is no way to edit these details, the only chance to reset is to write support a ticket and ...wait...
      • Support is not the fastest and when I read the comments underneath the instruction-videos I got aware, that glitches with the installation is a common problem.
      • The content/review as such: the idea to write a review about a product from the view of somebody who actually knows and uses the product in question is very good. But how can you try a product that is not even released yet anywhere? I think, people will realize this very soon and find out that this sort of review (which will now be reproduced by thousands of marketers) is actually quite misleading or even dishonest, do you not think?
      • There should be an option to be able to edit your ftp details in case something goes wrong. There are probably quite a lot of people out there who are seasoned IM-ers, but are not that savvy with tech things. (this is also expressed in comments underneath the training videos)

      So, I am aware that there are start-up problems in using the software which will not appear any more, if you are once through the process and know what ftp details where to put in which form and why.
      This would be worth a short training video, I think.

      As I said, it is very comfortable to be able to put up a blog within a few minutes.
      The concept is a good idea, but I am worried about the fact that thousands of similar styled reviews will show up from now on and people will soon realize this and press the back-button.
      The products available for promotion are indeed very popular or not even released to the public yet. So, there are/will be a lot of marketers promoting them. How well will then somebody's review-site rank, if she/he really does nothing else, believing that this software does automatically rank your site and attract visitors?
      Usually newbies or start-up IM-ers do not have lists to promote products to... will they hardly have a chance then?
      And thinking about all these factors, is it then not an over-priced software/membership in the end?

      Will see, how the "end product", my new blog will look like, once it is properly installed.

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    • Profile picture of the author mike gregory
      I have purchased the cb predators it looks like a good piece of software,
      reading through this thread it seems to have got a little heated.

      The one problem i had was i set up 2 sites which i had messed up my ftp details on which i now cant re load them.

      I have issued a ticket but no response as of yet, i do agree that it was maybe to early for launch on this product but see there is potential for it.

      The issue of editing your sites really needs to be addressed as i feel this lets the whole thing down.

      I will not be asking for a refund yet, but do feel there needs to be a better level of communication and assistance.
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      • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
        Mike like yourself I messed up and put in a support ticket probably about 4 or more days ago and nothing.. which is a bit disappointed really
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  • Profile picture of the author mike gregory
    I really like the concept of making wordpress easier i think we all do.
    But with the lack of assistance and communication it is getting frustrating.
    On hearing people have bought the software on launch day and still having no response it feels like i have hit a wall and cant go any further.
    It seems to me it is a simple solution to my problem of reloading my ftp details but the fact there is no way of doing it myself is annoying some what.
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  • Profile picture of the author J. Scott Systems
    Well there are certainly a lot of disappointed Warriors over CB Predator. I will admit I bought a copy and was "shocked" at how little was actually in the members area.

    I have purchased many WSO's for under $15 that over delivered on what their sales copy pitched, and had very detailed instructions in the download.


    Seriously, would it have killed them to make a short video showcasing the "potential" of the software once it's fully operational?

    The first thing that flashed into my mind when I logged in was an image of the half completed "Death Star" and the sound of a car trying to start on a winter morning.
    Quickly followed by the sounds of crickets in a field at night!

    Hey I'm all for getting in on a new product before the masses hear about it, but if I were to buy a house that was 60% finished I would expect a nice discount over the one sitting next door that was finished and ready to move into.

    Having said that, I am holding off for a few days before I make up my mind about a refund. And here is why.

    IF the creators are steadily adding the features they promised to the site and keep improving it, then within a week or so CP Predator may be a nice tool to quickly build a site.

    Also, if a large majority returns the product the first week, the ones who are still using the software will have less competition for each site.

    I, unlike a lot of the Warriors who have posted in this thread do not have much experience w/ WP or plug ins. So, if the site builder will (soon) do what is claimed on the sales page then I'm willing to wait a week and see what happens.

    The last time I logged in to the members area they did have the Costume Site link up and a post that the auto content plug in was almost ready. I have plans for the Costume Site feature other than Clickbank.

    However, I am really getting into using Macros to automate a lot of my tasks, so when I get around to programing a good site builder that automatically setup a WP with all the same plug ins they are using I will not be as interested in paying the $37 monthly fee.

    Someone way up in the threat mentioned that the content creation steep has "pre written" content you can model or spin for your site. From what I have seen on the 5 products they have available the content is pretty much the same thing. So, those of us who already have content/article spinners could do just about the same thing. It's just not all in one place. Hence, the macros I'm working on.

    Just my thoughts thus far.

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    • Profile picture of the author ukstar
      Glad I read your comments guys, I was sorely tempted but I'll stick with Review Blog Theme by Alex Sysoef and Dmitriy Agadzhanov. Works for me. I also purchased Site Profit Bot, set up about 30 sites over last six weeks. Adsense earnings, 0, Clickbank products sold 0, Neverblue promotions 0

      Can anyone help me here. I used to have a piece of software that allowed me to take a list, say from adwords and then display it as a comma delimited list, but lost it over the course of the years.

      abc
      def
      ghi

      to abc,def,ghi
      Sorry if that's a bit simple, that's the only way I can describe it.

      Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author DaveLloyd
      Originally Posted by J. Scott Systems View Post

      The first thing that flashed into my mind when I logged in was an image of the half completed "Death Star" and the sound of a car trying to start on a winter morning.
      Quickly followed by the sounds of crickets in a field at night!
      Priceless!
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  • Profile picture of the author mike gregory
    i think its hilarious, i'm still recieving many emails telling me to purchase cb predator which i already have.
    But not a single word from the tickets i issued asking for assistance.
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    • Profile picture of the author J. Scott Systems
      Originally Posted by mike gregory View Post

      i think its hilarious, i'm still recieving many emails telling me to purchase cb predator which i already have.
      But not a single word from the tickets i issued asking for assistance.
      Glad to see I'm not the only one they are ignoring! Let's hope they are so busy actually installing all the features they promised in the sales copy! lol
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  • Profile picture of the author lsamarketer
    I bought on launch day and have been waiting for everything to come together with the software and to get feedback from all of you.

    I feel bad about asking for refunds so much, but so very few products live up to the hype. You never know if it will or not unless you test drive it.

    The one thing that turned me off right away about CBP was the limited selection of products to promote. Maybe I am missing something, but didn't the sales page say that this could be used for any type of offer including CPA's and CJ? If so, how much extra work would be involved, and would it even be worth paying for CBP if you wanted to use it for offers not included in their list?

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    • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
      Paul it seems this is coming
      well at the moment you can create custom sites which is just uploading a wp blog to your site.

      I'm holding out for another week or so to see what happens but it is a bad show at the moment. If you know you're going to get 2000 people in you need to have the back office running smoothly

      Just my thoughts

      Originally Posted by lsamarketer View Post

      I bought on launch day and have been waiting for everything to come together with the software and to get feedback from all of you.

      I feel bad about asking for refunds so much, but so very few products live up to the hype. You never know if it will or not unless you test drive it.

      The one thing that turned me off right away about CBP was the limited selection of products to promote. Maybe I am missing something, but didn't the sales page say that this could be used for any type of offer including CPA's and CJ? If so, how much extra work would be involved, and would it even be worth paying for CBP if you wanted to use it for offers not included in their list?

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      • Profile picture of the author lsamarketer
        Originally Posted by thesuccesscoach View Post

        Paul it seems this is coming
        well at the moment you can create custom sites which is just uploading a wp blog to your site.

        I'm holding out for another week or so to see what happens but it is a bad show at the moment. If you know you're going to get 2000 people in you need to have the back office running smoothly

        Just my thoughts
        Thanks Coach,

        What about graphics and sample text for content? How would we get those for CJ or Amazon products that are not part of the CBP stock templates?
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  • Profile picture of the author J. Scott Systems
    @1ChrisFox

    Chris,

    If my earlier post seemed harsh, it's b/c I was looking forward to really getting some sites up this weekend on a ton of dormant domains I have. I even scheduled Monday off from my full time job to catch up anything I couldn't finish over the weekend.

    I've vented, and now I'm ready to see what CBP can really do. As I see it, the past is the past and lets move on from where we're at.

    I do appreciate you coming on the WF and updating us on what's going on at your end.

    I do have a question and a suggestion:

    Q- Will we soon be able to reset our own sites if we do make a mistake or just want to wipe the slate clean and start fresh?

    S- Would you or your partner be willing to post a Quick Reference Video NOT a recorded webinar on how to setup a site Start to finish, and then edit it and setup the latest plugins, tips & tricks?

    I'm not suggesting a full blown tell all 1 hour video, just you building a site w/ all the pluggins you use in say 20 minutes.

    I ask b/c as good as the webinar training is, when you only have 1-2 hours a day to get as much done as you can, spending 1 hour replaying a webinar to reference what step to take next is stress inducing! Or, maybe a short guide or outline in .pdf ??

    Hey maybe in CBP 2.0 we could have a Wizard that we run takes us step by step so we don't over look anything! LOL

    Just a thought

    If any of these already or soon will exists I thank you in advance.

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author richieu
      I have successfully uploaded my first site (admittedly it was my first attempt, so please don't read too much into that).

      It all seemed to go very well except I was a bit surprised to see that all the keywords and titles I'd input hadn't actually made it to the all-in-one SEO plugin, which was actually disabled at first.

      In fact from what I could see almost all the plugins were disabled, which I wasn't expecting.

      At no point in the review was the clickbank product it referred to actually linked with any anchor, so I'm a little surprised that it asked for my clickbank ID seeing as it didn't appear to use it.

      Maybe these are teething troubles, but as some Warriors have already mentioned we seem to a Wordpress uploader with a very nice Flex Squeeze plugin and not a great deal else at the moment.

      I've not had a response from my ticket inquiring about Platinum additions and why there isn't a tab on my 'dashboard' like there was in one of the demonstration videos, yet.

      As others have pointed out. Everything should have been in place for launch. OK I accept that the numbers of people signing up causes problems, but that's no excuse for things not actually being present.

      Still I'll give a while and see how things settle. It's clear there's a lot of potential here and Chris seems like a genuine guy, so we'll see how things pan out.

      But at the moment, must try harder I'm afraid!

      ATB
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  • Profile picture of the author ebiz4u
    Forgive me if this has been discussed previously (probably has since this is long thread!)
    I bought CB Predator and Affiliate X upsell. I created 2 blogs, published and then poof' they vanished.

    Nothing in directories or anywhere. Sent them 2 tickets, no response.

    Now for the bad part...) the audio sucks on the webinars )

    Have to say that there is seem pretty good stuff with top CB products, niches and keywords, phrases to go with them.

    With affiliate x upgrade you get auto load content, I have been told, as I say my 2 blogs vanished into the etherworld.

    Looking forward to them getting answers and bugs fixed as it has some very good training, videos, manuals particularly helpful to less experienced IM'ers.

    When I have time I will read what I couldn't tonight and find out this is all a duplication.
    Guess Google won't rank my post well ) But hell, I'm used to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author murmel
    I am getting really frustrated now: I still can not see or do anything with my first site I created. Support got 1 ticket from me, days ago, and now I see on the website that comments have been disabled, support system is "clogged up", but that there are exciting plans and things to come, and that members are starting to earn with their sites already ==> the follow-up e-mails are full of this...
    so the e-mail system is working fine, this obviously never will be blocked or clogged ?
    To be honest, I am slowly getting to the stage, where I would like to see a considerably reduced monthly membership. $37 is way too much for all this misorganization, not to think about what do I actually get for the first $67 dollars, I paid so far?
    And how will all the upgraded platinum members feel?

    I feel helpless and left alone and conscious that my money is used for everything else, but not to give the advertised service. In offline life, would you accept this, if you bought, i.e. a new tv that does not work, but you need to pay for the tv license ?
    Is there not a regulating body/department out there that could intervene?
    OK, I could ask for a refund, but why should I? I would like to try this thing out and then decide, if I stick with it or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
    very worried read this
    I'm very concerned re security of sites with cbpredator. when we enter our hosting username and password we are told that no information is retained however this is where it get scary. I asked support to delete my sites as I had messed up Three I had set up. Grand

    I go to one site that I created for affiliate silver bullet and I get a database connection errror. This wAs a custom site I built thru cbpredator. So I log into cpanel. Wordpress structure still there. Strange. Log into SQL admin area. Database structures are gone. Users are gone.

    I thought hackers but went to two other sites. Same thing

    I want someone to tell me how this was done and why Theresa no mention of this in cbpredator site. It seems they have control of your wp install

    is this possible is it a bug what do you think?
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    • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
      Originally Posted by desmondw1 View Post

      CB Predators is a great idea and I have signed up. Unfortunately, I have been plagued with building blogs and not receiving any admin details. And today I reset the password to my account and found a list of blogs belonging to another member in my account.

      Although CB Predators is a good idea, I'm now concerned that their membership site is not secure and can be hacked. Imagine, if I were a nasty sort I could delete their work and they would be none the wiser.

      I don't know if any other member has had similar experiences, but I hope that the team behind CB Predators sort out their issues ASAP.

      desmondw1
      saw that myself not sure why that happened
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  • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
    man i'm so pissed off with cbpredator now they have a verify folder option, all is correct but it won't verify

    my god what the heck is going on

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    • Profile picture of the author bethrobinson
      Desmond, When I had to reset my password at the beginning I saw that, too. It's some sort of default collection. After I went and reset my password and refreshed the screen then my own sites (or lack therof at the time) magically appeared.
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  • Profile picture of the author jorchav
    Interesting thread, this.

    I came close to buying in to Predtor the last day of the launch. Then I thought, Nah. It's over-hyped, promises more than could be reasonably believed.

    If it sounds too good to be true, that's usually because it really IS too good to be true...
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  • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
    I hope Chris can come in here and explain these issues
    a) why or how they can remotely remove your sql db from wordpress
    b) how come the verify system does not work on any domains I have with 3 different hosts
    c) what the heck is going on
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    • Profile picture of the author ebiz4u
      Originally Posted by Postergal View Post

      The most disappointing thing to me was that they FOOLED us about the content. I expected to get unique quality content from them but wow all I got was a few bonus products that spammed the **** out of my inbox, a wordpress installation (Fantastic does that in 1 second) and few articles that I have to rewrite by HAND! They did not even insert my affiliate link in the website, even had to do that. 4 days after creation of my website and it's not even indexed it, what SEO do they do to websites then? Do not purchase it in my opinion.
      at least you were able to create some sites. I did 5 days ago didn't upload, submitted 2 help tickets and still am waiting. One was for Affiliate Silver Bullet and it was launched today so missed out on the early bird.

      These guys have been around a long time and made a lot of $$ so they should have had the darn thing working. They say it was caused by the 2,000 buyers in the first day of launch but that seems like something they should have seen and prepared for.

      I hate it when this happens!! our time is worth much more than the $67!
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  • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
    i'll keep you guys updated, only thing that stops me from asking for a refund is i like the marketers who i bought cbp thru so would not like them to loose their commission but man am i pissed with cbp

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    • Profile picture of the author infinite
      Originally Posted by thesuccesscoach View Post

      i'll keep you guys updated, only thing that stops me from asking for a refund is i like the marketers who i bought cbp thru so would not like them to loose their commission but man am i pissed with cbp

      r
      LOL... I had no problems in asking for my refund. Bottom line - the product did not work like it was advertised to and I don't see any point in paying any affiliate (whether I like 'em or not) a commission on something which was totally flawed from the outset. In fact - in my case, I now take any recommendations from those marketers who recommended it to me with "a grain of salt."

      After all... I only bought CBP in the first place so that I could do my own "due diligence" before promoting it to my subscribers. (For obvious reasons I did NOT promote it!) Bet some other marketers are wishing they had done the same!

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  • Profile picture of the author lsamarketer
    Well, I went for the refund. I hate having a reputation as someone who returns everything he buys, but I am getting fed up with some of the crap out there. I've also returned Auto Profit Launcher, and My Traffic Business. I think some of these guys should go to work as copy writers because their sales pages are great, but their products don't live up to the hype.

    From now on, I am avoiding anything with graphics that look like they were copy and pasted from a comic book.

    I hate the upsells, but a part of me always says that if your going to use a product, use it at its full potential. So I bought into the 3 upsells for CB Predator and now I find myself with a membership to AffiliateX(?) I vaguely remember reading something about it when buying, but after being blasted with 3 long sales pages, you kind of forget half of it.

    I looked at AffiliateX, and for the life of me, I don't even know what to do with it. There are no clear cut instructions or training. It's just kind of "there," and we're just supposed to run with it somehow.

    I have no ClickBank Order number for AffiliateX, and I don't even know which Predator Order it might be under. I'm hoping I'm not going to find a monthly membership fee on my credit card every month after this.

    Good luck with this one to those of you brave enough to stick with it. Not for me.

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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    Well... this is funny... I asked for refund about two days ago due to the lack of responses on my request to reset my account (yup I mess up every single site the very first day... this ftp process simply sucks!). And today I receive a mail from support telling me that my account is successfully reset... I'm still have access to the site... but I have no intention to come back again! I'm so frustrated!
    Well... my anger management therapist told me that I have to wish to all the lucky users who did setup successfully a site the best of success with the CBP...
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    • Profile picture of the author pappyy3
      I'm so glad I didn't let myself buy into this product.

      Just too many alarm bells

      Good luck to everyone that decides to stick with this.

      I'll be watching with interest from a VAST distance
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    I think you need to differentiate between 'launch problems' and the product itself.

    The launch seems to be a total disaster but because it came a week too early, not because of some fundamental problem with the product.

    I'm told that some powerful super-affiliates are now effectively laying down the launch dates of some new products to fit in with their timetables. This is resulting in some products coming to market before they're ready.

    Let's hope that the number of refunds generated this time will cause people to rethink this approach.

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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      First time I've heard someone from Northern Ireland doing a sales video fro a CB product. Who is he?
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  • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
    well they do seem to have sorted a few things out
    but i wonder if you cancel do you still get access to the product i assume so, i assume you don't get access to new products

    anyone know?

    i'll post a support ticket
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  • Profile picture of the author moonradar77
    The only thing that bothers me is their support. It is almost non-existent!
    Purchased the Platinum package and that's not even up as of May 4th.

    I sent numerous tickets that my site says published but it is no where to be found.
    Had to call Clickbank just to send help for support.

    When you type the site I made with CB Predator, it says published but going to the page, all you see is:

    3 different html or php designations.


    (Did NOT want to put up site).

    Clickbank told me to give them a few more days and if they do not respond to help me. I have no recourse but to ask for a refund.

    It's sad that they promise support but I have not seen it and I put a couple tickets in on the 28th of April.

    Hope all you who have this program do well as it looks promising.
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  • Jeez Wayne,



    There are wrinkles at any software launch,

    Take some time (days not hours!)to look at the system, how it is designed and what efforts are being made to help subscribers. Then judge it by the integrity of those who are behind it, I have been pleasantly surprised by the efforts so far - especially the webinars, and the efforts to ensure people can understand things.



    To give you my persective, I think the CB Predator system has promise, the start had a few gliches (not as bad as some launches I have witnessed) but at least there appear to be genuine efforts to improve this.

    Cheers and good wishes,

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  • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
    Chris appreciate the reply

    ok can you also answer the question re whether you host the wp sql db on your servers as this would explain why when i got my sites reset the sites no longer worked on my server. not on the same server but two different hosting server.

    Ok quick question so if i cancel monthly sub i don´t get access to the previous sites i have created, i would have thought i´d still get access to the dashboard but no new packages would be made available to me.

    could you clarify the above two points and I appreciate your time

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  • Profile picture of the author Gale10
    Hi,

    Just wondering if anyone has actually made any money at all from this product?

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  • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
    i gave up on cbpredator
    after spending time with it, it's just not all it's cracked up to be
    support is very poor
    the word press dbs are all stored on their servers, thus if you cancel the blogs get zapped
    in general it's just not worth it for the money.
    sorry to say it but that's my honest opinion
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  • Profile picture of the author bfas
    It really strikes me that time after time, with the same red flags - half-baked product, overpromising sales letter, terrible support, developer excuses, 80% complaints & dissatisfaction posts - that people still go for this garbage.

    No doubt next week some new massively-JV'd launch, promoted & "reviewed" by people who don't know a thing about the product, will hit the shelves, and in spite of seeing the same pattern, over & over & over, a lot of people will get suckered into spending hard-earned time and money.

    The people producing these 'products' will keep doing it as long as people put up with it.

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    • Profile picture of the author Keithyt
      Apologies for my first post back on the scene being rather negative, but in answer to Gale's question. It's a no. My experience has been similar to doctorhands, the successcoach and mike gregory.

      Having "retired" from internet marketing in 2005 after three years of batting with the wrong gurus, I was hoping that things might have changed and that my previous experience was all just a horrible dream.

      No complaints about the founder. Really pleasant sounding guy who is clearly sincere about helping us all. I am sure things will settle down and a proper system established soon. But as a public relations man (the day job), I have a real problem with the insistence via the daily emails which emphasise positive positive positive when it is clearly obvious that the customer experience has been less than cheerful. This is not good for reputation.

      I waited ten days for my first support ticket to be answered, only to be told that it was hostgator's fault who, after two hours on online chat, eventually had to go in on my CBP user name and password to link the interface with theirs. Yes I accept that demand might have been higher than expected but forward planning? Nuff said.

      Anyway, to me the ethos is sound enough and there is meat out there to be grabbed as we all know, but I feel as though I am at the wrong end of the food chain here and certainly not a predator. Why? Because if you do a search of the available product names, all the affiliates are competing for the domain names which sound closest to the original product name. I am not going to mention mine for fear of being seen as offering cheap advertising, but suffice to say it competed favourably with the the 200 or so other variations all aspiring to a top ten SE birth. I know it's not all about your domain name but you get my drift.

      My feeling is that things can only get better. Again I come at it as a PR pro. I think CBP should admit on forums like this that there have been obvious problems but that these wil be fixed (just like bugs are in the best software) and that training will continue unabated, which to be fair, it does via webinars. But with this backdrop of uncertainty, it's very difficult to concentrate on money making when your confidence remains low e.g. would I attempt another 10 days and then three solid hours trying to launch a second site? Not as things stand no.

      The affiliate products offered do however seem well received on the whole elsewhere. I have a bit of an issue reviewing products that I haven't used though and, as constructive feedback, wonder if a 30 day affilate trial demo might be offered so that reasoned and objective reviews can be drafted. I guess that could be open to abuse but it's just a thought. So let's hope that the product portfolio can be translated into money soon!
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  • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
    very nice post

    i gave up on it, as re the support if there is a huge demand you can afford to put on trained support staff, it's not going to cost that much and will certainly help to keep a positive image about the product/marketer.

    I don't know but it seems these products are brought out in a rush, it is a great idea but initial impressions count and my impression of this was just it did not work as well as it could

    I'm not going to hold for promises of what will come in the next few months, as i wanted the product that i had paid for, yes i know it's all about the continuity but at launch the product did not work as well as it could

    re reviewing something you have not bought i agree entirely
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  • Profile picture of the author stevecl
    Seriously what did you expect? You really thought that at a couple of clicks of a mouse you would have a fully functional unique wordpress blog that would start earning you money in a very short space of time?

    Jeez, there is one born every minute...
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    • Profile picture of the author Keithyt
      Steve I tried to be balanced here and not sure that your dismissive comment is fair. As I said in the post, I was "born" back in 2002 when I first started marketing on the internet. This followed my original birth into PR in 1989.

      I joined because of the reasonable affiliate products that seemed to be offered here. Rapid Rewriter for example has been mentioned many times by other warriors as on par with TBS etc. The other big selling feature that Chris and Jerome are offering which seemed attractive were the wordpress squeeze pages. I bow to greater knowledge if this is available elsewhere but rightly or wrongly it seemed a selling feature.

      Thanks thesuccesscoach for your feedback and sorry you had a similar experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author dtmission
    The product looks good and I have decided to invest in it.

    I decided to use a main domain with subdomains for each of the cbpredators sites.

    I can create the site without problems, but, when I finally publish it to one of my subdomains nothing is copied in the subdomain directory, even if the software confirms that the site has been published correctly.

    I requested help from support, but I receive only vague answers and promises that they are going to produce more training videos.

    The result is that I have not yet been able to publish my first site.

    The main problem seems to be the lack of support and they take a very long time to give any answer.
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    • Profile picture of the author DSG
      I bought this product with both up sells, made a site that didn't upload, decided to wait things out and see what developed. 3 1/2 weeks later there is still nothing in the platinum members area, the basic members area has come to a standstill and the up sell CB Gamechanger that is supposed to integrate with CBPredator does me no good if the main program dosnt work as it should. But still, I would've be willing to wait that out another 30 days except for two things.

      1. I learned from my real estate days that he that controls the deed, makes the rules, not he that owns the property. The fact that CB Predator hosts the database means they control your website and you are subservient to them.
      2. In 3 1/2 weeks the recurring theme is we're going to do this, that is coming, we're waiting till everyone catches up. I've been down this path before, and I feel like an ass being led by a carrot down the path to the awaiting CB Predator, waiting to be eaten.

      I asked for a refund on Friday.

      @Stratplayer1. I appreciate your story.
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    • Originally Posted by dtmission View Post

      ... I decided to use a main domain with subdomains for each of the cbpredators sites.

      I can create the site without problems, but, when I finally publish it to one of my subdomains nothing is copied in the subdomain directory, even if the software confirms that the site has been published correctly...
      Hi there dtmission,

      Lots of people have been having this problem (including me). I finally sorted it out the other day and in the spirit of openness I have created a tutorial on the subject.

      This is available as a PDF directly from my blog. As I'm a reasonably new member here, I can't post you a direct link - however, if you follow the URL in my signature to "Successful Speaking Secrets" and then click on the page tab "CB Predators Tutorial" you'll be right on it.

      Read, download, have fun - tell you friends.

      Hope it works for you.

      BTW: I'd welcome hearing how other users of CB Predators are doing - in terms of actually generating revenue. (I know some people have requested a refund and I respect their decision to do so, but I'd welcome hearing some detailed success stories too. Thanks).
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  • Profile picture of the author Mindpunisher
    I wasted a month on their google cash sniper programme. The mantra on that programme was you have to work hard to make money and those that say otherwise are selling you a pipe dream. Then in CB predators they claim the opposite. I worked really hard for four weeks and got zero traffic. I signed up for CB predators then jumped out after a week. I am surprised that anyone hang in there longer. I wouldn't touch these guys with a barge pole now..

    Being new to online marketing and reading this forum I am begining to wonder if anyone makes any real money. There seems to be so many dissapointed marketers. I don't think Ive seen a really positive review yet?

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    • Profile picture of the author Nice Guy
      Hi George, good statement. I bought the product on the launch day. I worked through and the first time I was angry, that there is not a real tutorial about the basics and specially about the plug ins and how they work and what I had to do to reach the results.

      A bit later I visited the websites of the plugin creator and I found good tutorials over there. A next thing was, that how to set up host stuff was not really explained and special for not techie guy like me the most worse experience in the beginning. A friend of mine helped me with that.

      All of this not what one is expecting after buying a product that promotes auto sale.

      So far there are massive resources for empathy and didactic.

      Over all I found , exactly what you sag George, that I could set up very quick and with no hassle new wp-sites in lets realistic say 30 - 40 minutes with all the plugins and writing the review. So far I was able to create 3 or 4 a day.

      The real problem came out a week ago: I could not log into my created sides anymore. After doing the basic work within cbp template and fill out the given fields (?), you get to the point where you have to press the button: "publish now"
      Then you will be redirect to a site where you get the link to the wp-site, a user name and system password. And from a certain day they didn't work anymore. Means I couldn't get to my wp-admin pages anymore. No chance. Not with repeating, not with " lost password" which will be reset from the system, but this also still does not work.

      What if it will not work and the service break down after you published 50 or 100 sites, which is very realistic.

      This is my main problem!!! I wrote them 3 or 4 tickets, wrote to the support mail address, which has been answered first time personal from Jerome, second time the mail was automated to create a new ticket.

      Then the hour came where I really had to think that this is scam or fraud, because the tickets where suddenly closed with no comment and no solution. I wonder if there are really two guys who launched this product or if this is all a story tale, hmmm.

      I also wrote the very successful and well known internetmarketer who recommend the product 2 tickets in the hope that he will contact the guys. No answer. Very poor.

      I then wrote to the plugin people, who should stay in contact to cbp-owners. No answers.

      So, this are my personal experience with cbp.

      I wonder also after all of this, why there is not more ethic in the web business.

      If this guys have a technical or finance problem, ok this can happen all the time, special in this times. But just to step back and hide without telling the clients about the real issue of the situation is very poor, very poor. Another question is, why honorable internet marketer do support this kind of behaviour in also not answering questions concerning to this item. Worse signs for this market.

      May be a institution like warriors forum or clickbank should install a re check for new systems and check if the basics and the technique that is promoted is working. May be a glim for a new idea.

      So what to do with this guys? The basic idea is good. It is a time saver. The problem:
      This guys seams not be professional enough to run such a Bushness = very poor. Than they need help from a real internetmarketer.

      In conclusion: Don't buy until there is a real statement coming up from them.

      The only good thing. I bought through clickbank, which secures my money.
      Another thing:After one month I have to pay the next fee, but it didn't work for over two weeks or more. What do you think? Do they suggest to get the second month for free, or even the hird also because of all this problems? If they are clear minded, they would do?

      Hope this helped a bit, even my English is not Harvard like, haha.

      All the best

      Mike :confused::rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
    well i cancelled and asked them to tell me how to get my db for the wordpress site, no answer

    very bad show i gotta say
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  • Profile picture of the author Hteam
    Hi isn't CB Predator the same as CB Pirate? All these automated sites which don't actually give the purchaser a 'real' business because if you quit their membership you lose all your hard work - are they really going to last?
    I want to create a long term business, where the work I do today will pay off over time. Will these CB Pirate, CB Predator, Speedlings and so many more "x" clicks and you have a money making site really last. They are all clones? Isn't Google going to 'slap' them?
    I'm a newbie and I don't undersand things very well but if I do all the work but I don't get the list isn't it a real waste of my time.
    These promotors seem to keep starting up another promotion, what happens to the old ones which they control?
    I have nothing to contribute but just wonder about the long term .......
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  • Profile picture of the author thesuccesscoach
    well my final experience of cbpredator?

    awful!

    i sent a support ticket to ask how can i get my db file if i wanted to cancel, on the site or here they said they would give you full details

    i cancelled and not a word from them!

    another product which i was disappointed with, thank God for clickbank!
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  • Profile picture of the author Buzzin
    Mostly bad reviews on here.

    It's a recurring billing isn't it?

    There's no way I'd sign up to any recurring product.

    Once you see what they've got, it's not like you need to stay on every month, is it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Epicurus
    Hey people

    I've been following this thread for a while and just had to add my own opinion.

    I'm coming from the perspective of customer support....this is what I do for a living and I take pride in the fact that I'm good at what I do.

    The way I work is that whatever product I'm supporting, I ask the vendor to provide me with access to it well before launch so that I can proof read and beta test it to iron out any potential problems and build up a database of FAQ's - anything else I can't answer I just ask the product creators to provide clarification on.

    Handling several support desks as I do at the moment, I'm acutley aware that a large amount of 'newbies' are signing up for IM products on a weekly basis.

    Now, if the product is good in the first place with plenty of training materials etc then in my experience I find that the level of support needed is minimal.

    The main reason I'm posting this is because I'm a little tired of hearing people say how bad the support is, I have been following this thread from the beginning and from what I can gather is that on day one of the launch there were technical problems with the product.

    Worse still, I am informed that after purchase many people found that there was little or no training materials or instructions on how to use the product.

    Also, the fact that the product is software which (if it worked properly) would allow its users to create and upload wordpress blogs has a great baring on how user friendly it is...especially with newbies who have never even heard of FTP, Plugins etc! etc!

    Now I have supported products in the past which show people how to create and upload a blog and I can tell you from experience that even if you have the most detailed of instructions the newbies that have bought it will really struggle to implement the information.

    I've supported really good products in the past with step-by-step detailed instructions and I can assure you - the newbies will STILL struggle with it.

    As for CB Predators, I gather that from day one the support desk has been swamped with requests for further instructions etc and because many people have not had their questions answered there is now this perception that the customer support is very poor.

    Well there is a saying that I use quite often which applies to my particular area of expertise which goes like this "Even Support Needs Support"

    If there was nothing supplied in the training area then no wonder the support desk was swamped with queries and I feel for the poor buggars that had to handle that support desk.

    Look, bottom line is this, I know it's frustrating when you've bought something and you need further information on it but if the vendor is outsourcing the support and not answering questions themselves it could be that they are not providing their support team with answers either.

    I know it's easy to just think that you're being ignored but there could be another reason behind it and from my perspective and experience it's really frustrating and annoying to read people bashing the support.
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    • Profile picture of the author richieu
      @Epicurus

      Sorry, but if you offer support and that support is lacking at least from the perspective of those who are stuck and cannot progress with their purchase, then you are failing your customers and should expect flak.

      It doesn't matter what the circumstances are.

      We shouldn't be seeing products launched with 'coming soon' on pages that are expected to be there from the word go.

      If you use statements in copy such as ".... in 18 clicks" and then expect your customers to manually spin a review, then you are setting up expectations that are not being met and will get criticized fairly quickly when you can't meet those promises.

      From my perspective they are running out of goodwill fast and have to 'pull their finger out'. I'm not paying this price for what is essentially a blog installer with a flex-squeeze theme.

      I suspect my patience is a little better than most too...

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      • Profile picture of the author Epicurus
        Originally Posted by richieu View Post

        @Epicurus

        Sorry, but if you offer support and that support is lacking at least from the perspective of those who are stuck and cannot progress with their purchase, then you are failing your customers and should expect flak.

        It doesn't matter what the circumstances are.

        We shouldn't be seeing products launched with 'coming soon' on pages that are expected to be there from the word go.

        If you use statements in copy such as ".... in 18 clicks" and then expect your customers to manually spin a review, then you are setting up expectations that are not being met and will get criticized fairly quickly when you can't meet those promises.

        From my perspective they are running out of goodwill fast and have to 'pull their finger out'. I'm not paying this price for what is essentially a blog installer with a flex-squeeze theme.

        I suspect my patience is a little better than most too...

        ATB
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        Yes I am in total agreement with you there.

        What I'm saying is that throughout this thread the support team for CB Predators has received flak and the criticism is being levelled at the support when sometimes it clearly is not the fault of the support team.

        I have worked in support for several years and have had to try and support products which were incomplete on release and it can be very frustrating.

        If the product creators have hired a freelance support team then there are certain things that the product creators need to provide the support team with in order to enable them to do their job properly and from what I can gather it looks like CB Predators was incomplete on release and lacking in training materials.

        To say it doesn't matter what the circumstances are is to not see the whole picture.

        Although I do sympathise with anyone who has ever bought a product and the support has been lacking.

        All I'm saying is that from the customers perspective it may look like they're being ignored but behind the scenes there could be other extenuating circumstances and it's wrong to automatically assume that the support is to blame.
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  • Profile picture of the author jdjenkins
    Just wanted to say that I've given it a try, but after uploading my first site I had an error message when trying to view it. I did do the "folder check" before uploading, and looked at the files via my ftp software, and all seemed fine, but the site will not display.
    Sent a message to support, but after reading this forum and getting no reply to my support ticket (after over a week), I have decided to get a refund.
    I think the system has potential, and is obviously attractive for beginner marketers, but there are plenty of similar products out there if you want to use something like CBP,

    best wishes,

    Jon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Gilbert
      Let's just say that I was VERY happy to get my money back after suffering through all of the same problems mentioned here previously.

      I must say that this experience has certainly made me want to be considerably more cautious in accepting similar "beta" offers in the future.

      After all, how likely is it that 2 clicks, or 18, or however many "easy" steps will produce success? The WF is full of statements like "I've spent $1000's on stuff that didn't work"; come on now, this stuff doesn't change the rules: find a need, fill that need, make some money.
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  • Profile picture of the author TraderG
    I purchased this on launch day. Tried to put up a site on Bluehost multiple times, but it failed. It seems to work on Hostgator ok though. I have put in multiple tickets to support on all kinds of issues. Never have received an answer on any of them. Then to see that I don't own the database; I've had enough. I have requested a refund. Will be the last time I trust any of these guys.

    Thanks folks for all of the heads up!
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  • Profile picture of the author TraderG
    I don't blame support. I blame product owners who supposedly have been doing this stuff for awhile, but somehow can't get it together and then don't support their support team.

    I run a brick and mortar business. You don't treat your customers this way or your team if you want to stay in business. If there are technical problems, you let people know so that they can decide to stay or go. Most will stay around if you are honest in all that you have said and done and a fix is on the way. The owners haven't done that for this product. It's too bad. If they actually had truth in advertising, this could have been a killer product and service.
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    • Profile picture of the author Keithyt
      I agree with Trader and Epicurus and others. Some very valid points here made about technical support. I was the first tech support man in the UK to get a live call about Microsoft adCenter and I can tell you that it is one of THE most distressing things when you want to help someone and the product isn't ready to launch. So my heart goes out to the tech support personnel. It really does.

      But while the techies shouldn't have to take all the flak, somebody should. I am still getting auto emails from CB Predators and the last one apologising for yet another webinar that is going to happen but didn't.

      I wouldn't care if I was flying round in umpteen Testa Rossas, Jags, Mustangs and fat wheeled trucks with 37 properties to my name, I would not sleep nights if I had disgruntled customers like Trader G and myself lodging complaints about my company. 18 clicks to success? 148 clicks to insanity more like.
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  • Profile picture of the author dtmission
    I have been very disapponted with this product. It looked very promising but the sales copy omitted some important point such as the database installed on their site.

    Moreover I have had technical problem with the installation of the site on a subdomain and no support to solve the problem.

    Finally I made a few searches on Google to find some of these sites and I have not been able to find any if the first few pages. If you have an example please give me the URL.

    I am very disappointed because I still believe that Chris Fox is a serious person and I learned quite a few things from him in a previous course.

    Anyway I finally decided to cancel my membership and ask a refund.

    Mario
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  • Profile picture of the author D-Roze
    I've made a few sales already but like most, I am highly disappointed in the service and the unfulfilled promises. It is an amazing platform to me with tremendous potential. I think personally that the guys who created it simply got in over their heads. Surely by now they realize they will have a mass exodus if they don't get it going right... and quickly. As for traffic, I can use Twitter almost at will to generate the beginnings of traffic and then start building backlinks after that. No big deal. My concern is with the custom sites not getting indexed and that is where my TweetAttacks review is.

    Not giving up on them yet, but the 60 day target date is coming up soon. As has been mentioned above, setting up your own site, even if you use a subdomain as I do, isn't that much more difficult than what they do for you. The biggest advantage for a non-techie like me is that the FTP part of it is automated.

    But, then again, maybe I am just too naive...
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      • Profile picture of the author richieu
        Yes I gave them the benefit of the doubt for two months, but sadly they've failed to deliver on many fronts. I have canceled my membership - another lesson learned!

        ATB
        Rich
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        • Profile picture of the author infinite
          Originally Posted by richieu View Post

          Yes I gave them the benefit of the doubt for two months, but sadly they've failed to deliver on many fronts. I have canceled my membership - another lesson learned!

          ATB
          Rich
          I hope you guys requested a refund? We need to take a stand against this type of shoddy service / poorly supported products and as much as it PAINS ME to request a refund, if a product doesn't stack up to its claims these days, I'm all for asking for one. (I got my CB predators membership refunded several weeks ago as I saw the product was flawed from the outset).

          To be perfectly honest, I'm sick and tired of products like this giving the whole IM industry a bad name. There are FAR TOO MANY products being released these days that are either a) not ready to be released to the public or b) no matter how much work goes into them are still going to be a shoddy product!

          We all need to make a stand on this type of thing.

          Aaron
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    • Profile picture of the author infinite
      Originally Posted by D-Roze View Post

      Not giving up on them yet, but the 60 day target date is coming up soon. As has been mentioned above, setting up your own site, even if you use a subdomain as I do, isn't that much more difficult than what they do for you. The biggest advantage for a non-techie like me is that the FTP part of it is automated.

      But, then again, maybe I am just too naive...
      Just a quick tip on this one...

      If you've got a hosting account that supports Fantastico (most good ones do) then there is really little need to use FTP at all. Wordpress can be totally installed virtually at the touch of a button (and I'm not exaggerating there like many of the sales pages do...lol)... realistically - enter a couple of details like where you want it installed etc, click a couple of buttons and presto - Wordpress is installed! :-)

      Aaron
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  • Profile picture of the author successfulgeek
    I have tried to work with Chris and Jerome submitting a support ticket here and there and even offering to do the training videos in exchange for lifetime membership or at least something. There has been no response so I requested a refund.

    I really wanted this to work but it doesn't. I had a VA working quite a few hours setting up multiple sites for me but I didn't know what the next thing to have them work on and no new products ever came into the mix at all.

    So I got my last two months refunded and unfortunately without Chris and Jerome approving it I am out my platinum upsell of $97 as well which was never delivered.

    I don't expect to get the initial money back because I consider it a learning experience. The product was an amazing idea that due to mismanagement burnt a lot of people.
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    • Profile picture of the author DSG
      I was wondering how many of you that received refunds still have access to the site. I got a refund a couple months ago and still have access there. I go in every couple weeks to see if anything has changed. Seems to be abandoned. One of my quirky thoughts on this, is it seems like an elaborate way to build a list. How many of you are still on their email list? I haven't unsubscribed and regularly receive emails from cb-predators, chris x, chris and jerome and affiliate x hawking everyone else's new products.

      Your thoughts?
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      • Profile picture of the author wimbledonwoman
        That's all I have got - BS upsells from other sites. It doesn't take a genius to do what he's telling you to do - if you can build a WP site add content (I don't like PLR anyway which is part of his "instant" stuff) and drive your own traffic - where's the secret? I must have been nuts to order it anyway.
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        • Profile picture of the author magentawave
          Does anyone know if CB Predators is the same thing as Commission Predators?

          Thanks
          Steve
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