Main Street Marketing Machine by Mike Koenigs

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First it was Howie Schwartz (IM Leadership), then Kevin Wilke (Local Business Money Machine), now it's Mike Koenigs's turn. Everyone seemingly has a product teaching us how to do Internet marketing for local businesses.

We've seen these launches before. This one has Andy Jenkins's fingerprints all over it - four preview videos, after which there will be a price tag of at least $1,247.00.

The first video came out today. What do y'all think of this product?
#andy jenkins #koenigs #local business marketing #machine #main #marketing #mike #mike koenigs #street
  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    Actually I think Mike was one of the first to bring the connection between Online Marketing strategies and local businesses (that I can recall from my experience), as I started using one of his strategies back in 2008 after watching a video he made on using video to promote local businesses.

    Just like I was telling of the members of my forum that asked me if I really thought that this latest product of his was good, I am using his strategies right NOW to make money...

    This isn't some "new technique" that he's offering, its a structured system of steps with pre-made marketing materials etc. so that someone doesn't need to "think and struggle" their ways through trial and error...they just follow a system of steps that have already been proven to work.

    Does someone NEED this product, of course not, but if someone is looking at a business opportunity that is already working (and without the hefty franchise fees) then this is a very legit method of earning money.

    Of course they could develop their own methods, and systems, but there's always people who would prefer to have something to use that's already been proven to work...

    Just my thoughts!

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  • Profile picture of the author cybernet
    Originally Posted by AFFILIATE ROB View Post

    First it was Howie Schwartz (IM Leadership), then Kevin Wilke (Local Business Money Machine), now it's Mike Koenigs's turn. Everyone seemingly has a product teaching us how to do Internet marketing for local businesses.
    How would you compare the above mentioned products? Any recommendations?
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  • Profile picture of the author alleycatnews
    I think it looks really cool. If I was starting out again. I would probably do this type of thing to make my money. I prefer affiliate marketing and launching own products right now. But if I didn't have a big list and wasn't making decent money I would scoop this up.

    Actually I think the price is $3000 if I am not mistaken but they have it all together for you looks really good I think.
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  • Profile picture of the author joem07
    I've been using Traffic Geyser as well for over a year and as Dexx stated above, Mike Koenigs developed a quick method for using video for promoting or getting leads for offline businesses.
    Last December, Mike and the Traffic Geyser guys developed a program called Firepower which was a step-by-step program to help marketers establish a business in helping local businesses get online and get customers. I believe that it sold for ~ $1500.
    MSMM is supposed to be a 'souped up' version of Firepower designed to help marketers establish a real full time business providing internet marketing consulting services to small business and will be priced at ~ $3K.
    Yes, it is expensive, but if you follow the plan it will probably work.
    That being said, there are other excellent offline marketing programs being offered here on the Warrior forum.
    Look up Tim Castleman, Maria Gudelis and Jack Wize.
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    i know the nitro course has been out and is probably the 'big name' on that subniche.... but the other names sound too similar....
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    • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
      These courses are all great only if you are able to take action and implement them.

      The problem arises if you buy all these expensive IM courses, you end up with information overload and can easily have spent $10,000 to $15,000 in a few weeks and you end up mastering none of them.

      These are not some 50 page ebooks you can go through in an hour, these courses go into a lot of depth.

      Although I'm sure this course will be great, I'm still going through Video Boss still so I won't be joining - simply because I won't have time to implement it.

      My advice is ONLY get involved with a new expensive IM course after you've completed and mastered the previous one you paid for.

      Obviously if you aren't doing anything and this sounds like what you want to do then by all means go for it.

      But if you still haven't completed the previous $2-3k course(s) you paid for then you need to ask yourself whether it is wise to give yourself another burden of learning something else.

      In my opinion you need 2-3 months to master just ONE of these expensive IM courses, so getting involved with multiple guru courses in the space of a few weeks is a definite no no.
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  • Profile picture of the author robertino
    I believe there is a sizable market out there to provide small business with web services according to all statistics. The fact that Mike provides pre-made marketing materials, including contact lists in your area, software and most importantly the outsourcing of web services, should make it easy.

    If you are to outsource all the web services, you are then left with marketing. Old school, pick up the phone, get the pre-made brochures and presentation, put some gas in your car and hit the road "Jack" ;-) Of course you can always contact your prospect by email and send presentations same way. Then just meet to close the deal and get the check. Sounds good eh?

    In reality though, this is a real business and should be run like one. You put the time in and dedication and it will produce. I agree tough most people will buy the product and not follow through. I am seriously considering getting it since they have also outsources companies here in Canada.

    Knowing Mike as a reliable businessman, I know the training, support, software and pre-made presentation materials are first class. If I cannot dedicate 80% of my time to this it may not work so I have to cut down on distraction time considerably.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikesonfire
    If it's anywhere near as good as Traffic Geyser, it will be a winner and worth the money (if you take action, of course).
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  • Profile picture of the author bdegrossa
    So the final video is out, now, the day before launch. Why do these guys prey on newbies so?
    1. Look up La Jolla house painter on google. There's no search volume. Koenigs supposely had 4 positions on page 1 this morning but no one types in the term, so who cares?
    2. When you approach any painter in that area with your offering, they'll say, I don't want La Jolla -- I want San Diego. No painter in that area limits themselves to painting in La Jolla, only.
    3. "San Diego house painter" (which actually has some search volume, by the way) is surely much more difficult to get quick demo results for. Is that why Koenigs didn't show us that?
    I do local marketing and yes, there is a market there. I don't have an issue with that. I do have an issue with these guys making it all look so easy to newbies, then taking $3000 from them, when its never that easy. That's a lot of money for most people these days!

    Sorry if I'm a bleeding heart for the new guy/girl on the block. The gurus just get kind of nauseating after awhile...

    Becky
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by bdegrossa View Post

      So the final video is out, now, the day before launch. Why do these guys prey on newbies so?
      1. Look up La Jolla house painter on google. There's no search volume. Koenigs supposely had 4 positions on page 1 this morning but no one types in the term, so who cares?
      2. When you approach any painter in that area with your offering, they'll say, I don't want La Jolla -- I want San Diego. No painter in that area limits themselves to painting in La Jolla, only.
      3. "San Diego house painter" (which actually has some search volume, by the way) is surely much more difficult to get quick demo results for. Is that why Koenigs didn't show us that?
      I do local marketing and yes, there is a market there. I don't have an issue with that. I do have an issue with these guys making it all look so easy to newbies, then taking $3000 from them, when its never that easy. That's a lot of money for most people these days!

      Sorry if I'm a bleeding heart for the new guy/girl on the block. The gurus just get kind of nauseating after awhile...

      Becky
      Even more nauseating is he seems to be targeting people who can't make money for themselves online, and recommends as an alternative that they scam folks offline by selling them the same services they can't make work for themselves.
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    • Profile picture of the author oilerblue
      Great points, Becky. I have often wondered about doing local SEO consulting, but get stuck on knowing what to charge and how to charge. This local SEO biz seems to be a very popular trend right now. I would certainly consider other forms of back linking and traffic-getting than just using Traffic Geyser. It is one of the tools I use for my sites, but certainly not the only one.
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        • Profile picture of the author oilerblue
          Originally Posted by RolandFrasier View Post

          Hey Oiler, if you are already using TG, then you can definitely take what you already know, watch the Fireman Mike video that is on the pre-launch site for MSMM and use that plan to go out and start doing local search.

          You may want to think about giving it a try. The TG system makes it so easy to rank for most local terms, especially those with 1 million or fewer results. They say 300,000 or fewer at TG and Fireman Mike says 500,000 or fewer, but it really depends on how competitive the SEO is.

          I've found that for many geo-specific terms, you can rank very quickly with TG even when there are more than 1 million results.
          Thanks, Roland. I have a gal that already does all the TG and Tube mogul submissions so that certainly wouldn't be a problem. My concern is how to charge for the service. If it is upfront money, then how much, if it is a monthly fee, then how much. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dexx
      Originally Posted by bdegrossa View Post

      So the final video is out, now, the day before launch. Why do these guys prey on newbies so?
      1. Look up La Jolla house painter on google. There's no search volume. Koenigs supposely had 4 positions on page 1 this morning but no one types in the term, so who cares?
      2. When you approach any painter in that area with your offering, they'll say, I don't want La Jolla -- I want San Diego. No painter in that area limits themselves to painting in La Jolla, only.
      3. "San Diego house painter" (which actually has some search volume, by the way) is surely much more difficult to get quick demo results for. Is that why Koenigs didn't show us that?
      I do local marketing and yes, there is a market there. I don't have an issue with that. I do have an issue with these guys making it all look so easy to newbies, then taking $3000 from them, when its never that easy. That's a lot of money for most people these days!

      Sorry if I'm a bleeding heart for the new guy/girl on the block. The gurus just get kind of nauseating after awhile...

      Becky
      I have to disagree on a few things here...

      1) No search volume for Google does not mean No Searches and/or value...even if there are only 30 searches a month for that ONE phrase, if 5-7 turn into PAYING LEADS that could easily equal $300 - $500 per lead for a painting business...which means $1,500 - $3,500 per MONTH in profits for the house painting company.

      So let's say on the LOW end of things (because you are "just" working with a house painter) that you charge them a $2,000 leasing setup and a $500/mo maintenance...you just earned a $6,000 a year recurring income from maybe a couple hours of work? (though the MSMM program comes with various templates to speed up the process) ...now do that for 10 other companies within an entire City...$60,000 a year on basic autopilot...not to mention additional services that you might charge for...and referrals...

      [SIDE NOTE: A friend of mine pays $500/mo just for a large magnetic black sign to be placed near the road by his health store...this is for the "hopeful" chance that someone driving by reads it and decides to come in...$500/mo for first page Google results from people SEARCHING for his service would be a no-brainer choice!

      Only reason I haven't done it yet is because I focus more on higher end profit-margin businesses so I can charge $1,500+/month but I'll probably do that for him now seeing the Fireman Mike video and the strategy behind it with the squeeze page =)]


      Now let's say you are targeting a phrase like "la jolla teeth whitening" which has 37,600 BROAD results...if you land 1 - 3 leads for a dentist, that can equal THOUSANDS of dollars in lifetime value for that Dentist.

      Now that's just for ONE phrase keyword, obviously if you are going to be generating leads for a house painter (or dentist) you'll be going after multiple keywords like "la jolla house painting" "la holla painting contractor" etc. etc.

      So now maybe you have multiple 1st page ranking for 5 - 10 BUYER keywords which might generate 10 - 15 PAYING leads a month for the business...

      To say that there's no value for a business, because Google says there is no searches, is flawed thinking...in that case the La Jolla phone book should have no House Painting companies advertising in it...but I can almost guarantee that if I went to La Jolla, and opened up a Yellow Pages, I'd find companies related to House Painting that are paying $500 - $5,000 PER MONTH to be in a big yellow book full of their competitors...

      http://www.yellowpages.com/la-jolla-...=house+painter

      ...and probably with ads that have no method of tracking leads, or standing out from their competitors...and I'd assume that most people would sooner do a search on the internet for local house painters vs. flip through a yellow pages and have to decide based on generic ads (which can be an additional service we can provide to helping the businesses)

      2) If a company says they want additional keywords...GREAT! Now that can be discussed as far as going after more / harder keywords...either way that is $$$$ on the table for the taking...meanwhile they can receive leads as they come in from the existing rankings... =)

      3) As far as them making it seem "easy for newbies," the reality is helping businesses (that have little to no exposure as it is) is NOT hard, tons of my forum members discuss their successful marketing for offline clients constantly...the BENEFIT of this system is having a STRUCTURED and STEP-BY-STEP process to follow and build confidence for a person who is hesitant to get started.

      Does someone need to spend $3,000 on this system? Of course not!

      $30 spent on some old Dan Kennedy and Jay Abraham books combined with technical knowledge of marketing online can get someone great results also (it did for me!)

      However if someone is looking for a "business in a box" that has the tools and training laid out for them with more personal coaching...well then...here it is...

      Just my 2 cents on the matter...I just know the type of training and products that Mike Koenigs has created in the past is far beyond the typical "hype and no-results" of most products these days...

      Cheers,

      ~Dexx
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    • Profile picture of the author samd123
      I agree - after being swept off my feet by his proactive energy moving forward, watching it a few times, having seen this game a few times now (closely tracking Frank Kern's every move for three of his huge launches) I have finally been able to not just avoid buying but now to also see the woods from the trees.

      this has happened to me before - getting roped in with a deal where the product id good but then they slap atraining course around it - so now they can legitimately build it up to $2997 -but hold a second - I dont want to go to Main Street University thank you - Its going to these endless information dumps that has me sat on my ass right here goddammit!

      Thats not value in my opinion - his templates, good, his presentation, very good, the rest? Schlepp - Im out. (I think I would value that product at about $379 for the useable bits and even then I could probably outsource it for less.)

      Just my opinion - not the truth. So dont shoot me!

      All the best

      Sam
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      • Profile picture of the author cscarpero
        Looks interesting, but I got some major sticker shock at the price. I wish there was a simplified version for a little less money and I would have considered it.
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        • Profile picture of the author ozduc
          Originally Posted by cscarpero View Post

          Looks interesting, but I got some major sticker shock at the price. I wish there was a simplified version for a little less money and I would have considered it.
          Check out Chris Lagarde here in the WSO section he offers a product that looks similar but is A LOT LESS.
          I have it and I'm still not done going through all the information he provides.
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        • Profile picture of the author PR
          Keep in mind that a good portion of that 3k goes to affiliate commissions. I've received 3 guru emails in the last couple of hours touting it. Looks pretty good though, I'd consider it for 995.00.

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      • Profile picture of the author abrandt
        Hello Members:

        I am intrigued by the positive and negative comments in this thread. Reading between the lines, it would appear that Members who have achieved some modicum of Google 1ST Page SERPS domination tend to post POSITIVE comments.

        Based on my strategies successfully dominating 6 to 9 positions on the Google 1ST Page SERPS for primary competitive keywords (not long-tail KWs), I took a whole day to evaluate MSMM whereby I am able to justify purchasing it for the terms of $550/mo for 6 months because leveraging the marketing and technology integration that MSMM offers can save me substantial time.

        On the other hand, IMO, MSMM is certainly not for the masses, even though it is being mass marketed.

        On the other hand, for someone who is earnest and willing to diligently study, implement and persevere... exceeding a 100% ROI is a reasonable and even a potentially realistic self-expectation.

        In my case, I am reasonably confident I can minimally 2x to 3x my investment within a few weeks. I can say this because I know what I'm doing at this point.

        My goal is to learn how to maximize and leverage MSMM vs. limiting myself to the highly labor-intensive manual optimization procedures responsible for my current success.

        I hope this proves helpful to some.

        Positively,

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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Actually La Jolla House Painter gets 880 searches a month ( broad match, 720 exact match ). That would be a huge boost for a painting company, especially in an exclusive elite community such as La Jolla. While it would have been more impressive to be top rated for San Diego I would have to believe many painters would love to have top ranking for La Jolla!

      Originally Posted by bdegrossa View Post

      So the final video is out, now, the day before launch. Why do these guys prey on newbies so?
      1. Look up La Jolla house painter on google. There's no search volume. Koenigs supposely had 4 positions on page 1 this morning but no one types in the term, so who cares?
      2. When you approach any painter in that area with your offering, they'll say, I don't want La Jolla -- I want San Diego. No painter in that area limits themselves to painting in La Jolla, only.
      3. "San Diego house painter" (which actually has some search volume, by the way) is surely much more difficult to get quick demo results for. Is that why Koenigs didn't show us that?
      I do local marketing and yes, there is a market there. I don't have an issue with that. I do have an issue with these guys making it all look so easy to newbies, then taking $3000 from them, when its never that easy. That's a lot of money for most people these days!

      Sorry if I'm a bleeding heart for the new guy/girl on the block. The gurus just get kind of nauseating after awhile...

      Becky
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      • Profile picture of the author rashamba
        Let me speak as someone who has been burned by the big guru's promises in the past. I have felt I have wasted thousands on stuff that was tedious and impractical (write 5 articles, spin them post them, do web 2.0, press releases, social bookmark, etc). I even made my own product and really let people know to stay away from the guru hype. However, I decided to go in to offline marketing with new perspective. I had no idea who this Main Street guy was. I erased all the emails I got on it. Then I saw this thread last week and decided I should at least see if it was something I should familiarize myself with. I decided to bite and bought the program outright (30 day trial helped). Let me say this program and methodology is vastly different than what I had been learning and using (it was all good too, especially Offline Superstar). For those of you posting how much newbies are getting ripped off, you really don't know about this approach. It is so much easier than what I had been trying to do. Also more effective imo. I had a meeting yesterday with a dentist and really pushed what I had crammed on Traffic Geyser and Main Street these past few days. Got the call today that client is excited and on board. Getting my $1500 check tomorrow with more to come in upcoming months. All due to the confidence I got from this course. Maybe I am in honeymoon phase, but I don't mind paying the money if I can walk in and get 4 figure checks in my community. Then know I can deliver real leads. Also, if you don't know how that is tracked, then stop trashing it. I sold my client not on SEO services or top rankings, but leads. Leads I know I can deliver, track, and repeat. The dentist just droped his $30k per year yellow pages ad. I am happy with my $6k yearly and so is he. On to the next....
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        • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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          Originally Posted by rashamba View Post

          Let me speak as someone who has been burned by the big guru's promises in the past. I have felt I have wasted thousands on stuff that was tedious and impractical (write 5 articles, spin them post them, do web 2.0, press releases, social bookmark, etc). I even made my own product and really let people know to stay away from the guru hype. However, I decided to go in to offline marketing with new perspective. I had no idea who this Main Street guy was. I erased all the emails I got on it. Then I saw this thread last week and decided I should at least see if it was something I should familiarize myself with. I decided to bite and bought the program outright (30 day trial helped). Let me say this program and methodology is vastly different than what I had been learning and using (it was all good too, especially Offline Superstar). For those of you posting how much newbies are getting ripped off, you really don't know about this approach. It is so much easier than what I had been trying to do. Also more effective imo. I had a meeting yesterday with a dentist and really pushed what I had crammed on Traffic Geyser and Main Street these past few days. Got the call today that client is excited and on board. Getting my $1500 check tomorrow with more to come in upcoming months. All due to the confidence I got from this course. Maybe I am in honeymoon phase, but I don't mind paying the money if I can walk in and get 4 figure checks in my community. Then know I can deliver real leads. Also, if you don't know how that is tracked, then stop trashing it. I sold my client not on SEO services or top rankings, but leads. Leads I know I can deliver, track, and repeat. The dentist just droped his $30k per year yellow pages ad. I am happy with my $6k yearly and so is he. On to the next....
          So, you couldn't ever deliver leads for yourself, yet you feel qualified to deliver leads for others? Yeah, I'd cash those checks fast if I were you, lol.
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          • Profile picture of the author rashamba
            OMG, I am done after this. I thought I was the cynic. Black Hat Cat, in case you missed the point I am NOT a dentist or chiropractor, dermatologist, etc. These people are spending huge amounts on advertising that simply is not working anymore. I sell affiliate online products just fine, but this is different approach. My dentist showed me a pile of mailers promising to get them high rankings for their website. I showed up with a unique approach and differentiated myself with the help of Main Street. I still used some of my stuff I had already as well. You realize that the base model involves getting leads first before approaching business owners? It took me a while to figure it out, but I like it so far. Maybe I will lament the day I bnought into it, but for now I am collecting and cashing checks from business owners. I had done a couple last year, but now I am more focused. That is all I was trying to convey. BTW, I actually investigated and spoke with other WF members using TG, before I took the leap. See how Maverick_ is doing at airiusmedia.com for example. I would never buy on hype ever again, that why I appreciate the forums. No need to act like you do.


            Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

            So, you couldn't ever deliver leads for yourself, yet you feel qualified to deliver leads for others? Yeah, I'd cash those checks fast if I were you, lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author tybeeroad
    As of right now a search for La Jolla house painter puts Mike's site Number 2 on google, number 1 if you use quotes.

    I do think La Jolla house painter will be valuable for some. If they ask for San Diego House Painter you should be able to help with that too.

    I'm not sure if his program is good or not, but I am going to check out the final video.

    Sean
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    I fail to see what is different from what Mark Vurnum has been talking about in various products over the last few years. Could somebody tell me what's new?

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  • Profile picture of the author Hobo82
    Hey Dexx,

    Really appreciated your detailed explanation on this thread. You painted a clear picture for those who are not that well versed in this type of marketing. Thanks.

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  • Profile picture of the author trishworks4u
    I'd just like to chime in really quick here as someone who took a solid stab at the "offline market" and did not find it to be as "wide open" as represented. Let me also just say that I know absolutely nothing about this product (except the price) or it's creator.

    I opened up a full offline consulting business last summer and went through some of the training courses that are offered around here. I bought blueprints, templates, videos, etc. Attended conferences, webinars, joined forums, the works. I incorporated, joined several chambers of commerce and got serious.

    What I found in my area (large metropolitan area), was that it was sooo saturated with IM people pitching internet marketing to small businesses that these small business people were to the point of hostilities. The few business owners that I established a rapport with started forwarding me the emails they received from other marketers and said things to me like, "If I have one more person ask me if I'd like to improve my online presence I'm going to scream".

    The few colleagues that I did know who were having success in offline marketing to small businesses just happened to have strong backgrounds in sales. ie - real estate. Coincidence? Probably not. I have never sold anything in my life - I gave that venture everything I had. Then - went back to Affiliate Marketing.

    ....just my experience.
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    • Profile picture of the author oilerblue
      Originally Posted by trishworks4u View Post

      I'd just like to chime in really quick here as someone who took a solid stab at the "offline market" and did not find it to be as "wide open" as represented. Let me also just say that I know absolutely nothing about this product (except the price) or it's creator.

      I opened up a full offline consulting business last summer and went through some of the training courses that are offered around here. I bought blueprints, templates, videos, etc. Attended conferences, webinars, joined forums, the works. I incorporated, joined several chambers of commerce and got serious.

      What I found in my area (large metropolitan area), was that it was sooo saturated with IM people pitching internet marketing to small businesses that these small business people were to the point of hostilities. The few business owners that I established a rapport with started forwarding me the emails they received from other marketers and said things to me like, "If I have one more person ask me if I'd like to improve my online presence I'm going to scream".

      The few colleagues that I did know who were having success in offline marketing to small businesses just happened to have strong backgrounds in sales. ie - real estate. Coincidence? Probably not. I have never sold anything in my life - I gave that venture everything I had. Then - went back to Affiliate Marketing.

      ....just my experience.
      Great point, Trish. Hadn't even thought of that. I get emails AND calls all week long from companies that tell me I can be at the top of the search engines in my local community, even though I am already at the top. I can tell no research was done by most of them. What about the angle of a consultant who is also local and who is a small biz owner who just happens to own the local SERPS for my own keywords? That might be a more convincing pitch. If you also have the USP of being available to call or visit locally that might mean something to another local small biz merchant. Your thoughts...?
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      • Profile picture of the author bdegrossa
        Trish - great points. Most of my local clients had some relationship to me or someone I know. Local biz owners do get harassed by SEO companies on a weekly (sometimes daily) basis. My clients send me the emails people send to them all the time asking for my take on it. They appreciate having someone to help them separate the hype from the real.

        I do think that the fireman Mike video where he grabbed top positions first would give the marketer much more credibility, but I also think that the threatening approach of "work with us or we'll kill you in the market by promoting your buddy down the street" is a little bit much. I'd advise a little softer approach .

        I also think that working in your own town will help, too. Trust is a big issue, especially with all the sharks out there.

        Becky
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      • Profile picture of the author Nic Lynn
        Originally Posted by oilerblue View Post

        Great point, Trish. Hadn't even thought of that. I get emails AND calls all week long from companies that tell me I can be at the top of the search engines in my local community, even though I am already at the top. I can tell no research was done by most of them. What about the angle of a consultant who is also local and who is a small biz owner who just happens to own the local SERPS for my own keywords? That might be a more convincing pitch. If you also have the USP of being available to call or visit locally that might mean something to another local small biz merchant. Your thoughts...?
        This is exactly the problem and why this market will never become truly over saturated!

        Specifically:

        1. These so-called offline companies DO NOT act or talk "local." Most often they act and talk like a spammer... or that telemarketer who calls you right as you sit down for dinner. You have to know something about the business you pitch to and you have to know how to talk to them as a small business owener peer.

        2. They literally sell SEO and google rankings! That's not what you sell. You sell "more customer and more revenue" for the client. Period.

        3. They never ask questions (other than "do you want to buy my stupid service"). You need to know what your business owner's goals are, what they think their competition is, what their "exit" strategy is, etc.

        All of that equals epic fail for most.

        Btw, I do not plan to buy this product (though I did watch the marketing pre-launch hoopla).
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        • Profile picture of the author Thomas Stoker
          I am checking out Traffic Geyser, am on their $1 trial so I also get pretty much bombarded with emails about MSMM.

          I personally think there is some money to be made, using IM techniques with local businesses. However, I really doubt if it is going to be something is fit for a lot of folks in the IM community. First of all I think it requires a completely different mindset and different personallity to be able to make in in the real-world business compared to the internet.

          Secondly aren't there already a lot businesses doing this for local shops? I'd say there would be a lot of competition. At least, I think there would be here in The Netherlands... What do you guys think?

          Finally, I think this is a lot like real work. Going places, wearing a suit perhaps, face to face selling. Isn't that why most of us are making an income online? ;-)

          All in all I think it's a typical case of selling spades to the gold diggers. The only ones that are really makeing good (and easy) money are Mike Koenings and his partners...

          By the way, I haven't watch all four video's so I don't know what they are offering exactly but I know I, most likely, wouldn't spend around $1500 on this....

          Just my two cents.

          Thomas
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          • Profile picture of the author Bronwyn and Keith
            Hi Warriors

            We personally do "offline" marketing for clients and use a really simple process.

            We talk to people about what they want.

            Find out if they are happy to pay us to deliver it and then do the work.

            If they say no we simply ask someone else.

            Why on earth would anyone pay $1000+ for that.

            Beats us

            Regards

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            PS - Look around this forum you will find all the info you need for offline (at pennies in the dollar).
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    • Profile picture of the author abrandt
      Hello Trish:

      I am not yet a subscriber to MSMM as of this moment, however I am seriously considering several MSMM affiliate's attractive bonuses.

      I had no previous OFFLINE MARKETING experience when I started studying April 2009. I had purchased over 30 Offline WSO's and studied them dilligently... I mean I laboriously annotated all the reports with my bolding, underlining and highlighting to enhance VISUAL ACUITY and LEARNING. It didn't take long to feel I was head-deep in INFORMATION OVERLOAD... a lot of cool strategies... but I was swimming in it. So I started to pray for greater understanding... and got a solid answer in January.

      I immediately initiated a 6-keyword test for a business at no charge, and within 2-weeks, I had helped him achieve DOMINATION of Google 1ST Page SERPS (4 to 7 positions)... and currently (6 to 9 positions)... and I did it all MANUALLY (labor intensive). The client has since engaged my services for $1,000 per month + commissions.

      I've added a 2 additional clients now at $3,000 per month each to run their campaigns.

      I pretty happy with the results... and very grateful for the long-term business outlook of my services. Reciprocally, my business clients appreciate the VALUE I have brought to the table and love crushing their competition.

      I am now personally looking at the MSMM BONUSES that some affiliates are offering, because the consolidation of tools all in one place could save me considerable time and allow me to help smaller businesses at a lower price point than $3,000+ per month.

      BTW - I cordially invite any MSMM affiliates offering great bonuses to PM me early today before I make a final buying decision (today).

      I hope this proves helpful and encouraging!

      Positively,

      Alan

      Originally Posted by trishworks4u View Post

      I'd just like to chime in really quick here as someone who took a solid stab at the "offline market" and did not find it to be as "wide open" as represented. Let me also just say that I know absolutely nothing about this product (except the price) or it's creator.

      I opened up a full offline consulting business last summer and went through some of the training courses that are offered around here. I bought blueprints, templates, videos, etc. Attended conferences, webinars, joined forums, the works. I incorporated, joined several chambers of commerce and got serious.

      What I found in my area (large metropolitan area), was that it was sooo saturated with IM people pitching internet marketing to small businesses that these small business people were to the point of hostilities. The few business owners that I established a rapport with started forwarding me the emails they received from other marketers and said things to me like, "If I have one more person ask me if I'd like to improve my online presence I'm going to scream".

      The few colleagues that I did know who were having success in offline marketing to small businesses just happened to have strong backgrounds in sales. ie - real estate. Coincidence? Probably not. I have never sold anything in my life - I gave that venture everything I had. Then - went back to Affiliate Marketing.

      ....just my experience.
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      • Profile picture of the author oilerblue
        Originally Posted by abrandt View Post

        Hello Trish:

        I am not yet a subscriber to MSMM as of this moment, however I am seriously considering several MSMM affiliate's attractive bonuses.

        I had no previous OFFLINE MARKETING experience when I started studying April 2009. I had purchased over 30 Offline WSO's and studied them dilligently... I mean I laboriously annotated all the reports with my bolding, underlining and highlighting to enhance VISUAL ACUITY and LEARNING. It didn't take long to feel I was head-deep in INFORMATION OVERLOAD... a lot of cool strategies... but I was swimming in it. So I started to pray for greater understanding... and got a solid answer in January.

        I immediately initiated a 6-keyword test for a business at no charge, and within 2-weeks, I had helped him achieve DOMINATION of Google 1ST Page SERPS (4 to 7 positions)... and currently (6 to 9 positions)... and I did it all MANUALLY (labor intensive). The client has since engaged my services for $1,000 per month + commissions.

        I've added a 2 additional clients now at $3,000 per month each to run their campaigns.

        I pretty happy with the results... and very grateful for the long-term business outlook of my services.

        I am now personally looking at the MSMM BONUSES that some affiliates are offering, because the consolidation of tools all in one place could save me considerable time and allow me to help smaller businesses at a lower price point than $3,000+ per month.

        BTW - I cordially invite any MSMM affiliates offering great bonuses to PM me early today before I make a final buying decision (today).

        I hope this proves helpful and encouraging!

        Positively,

        Alan
        Great post, Alan. I appreciate your sharing of experiences and numbers in your post.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Graudins
      Originally Posted by trishworks4u View Post

      What I found in my area (large metropolitan area), was that it was sooo saturated with IM people pitching internet marketing to small businesses that these small business people were to the point of hostilities. The few business owners that I established a rapport with started forwarding me the emails they received from other marketers and said things to me like, "If I have one more person ask me if I'd like to improve my online presence I'm going to scream"
      I'll confirm this 100%.
      Small business owners are mercilessly targetted by everyone selling all sorts of stuff.

      That's about the only purpose of a Yellow Pages listing these days - to attract telemarketers who try to sell you stuff.

      Many business owners have been ripped off by previous generations of dodgy website builders and SEO "experts" and they are VERY suspicious about anything to do with the internet.

      I've been helping small business with their internet needs for over 10 years.
      Almost without exception, they are not stupid.
      And it would be a rare event indeed. for them to write a $X,000 cheque to thrust at someone who sends them a letter, email, or walks through the door mumbling something about getting them more customers by using the internet.

      But - I could be wrong.

      If you buy this product and make a fortune as a result of following the advice you get, please feel free to ridicule me mercilessly.

      cheers,
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Originally Posted by Eric Graudins View Post

        If you buy this product and make a fortune as a result of following the advice you get, please feel free to ridicule me mercilessly.

        cheers,
        Eric G.
        I have no doubt some people will make decent money scammi...er, selling their services to offline clients.

        I have serious doubts as to whether their services will ever make a single dime for their clients, however.
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        • Profile picture of the author Andy Hussong
          Just curious... did I hear correctly that MSMM would actually help fulfill some of the video stuff or services that you'd provide as an MSMM consultant? I may be mistaken, but I was thinking that was part of the deal, too.

          Thanks.
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          • Profile picture of the author Amanda_Davis
            Originally Posted by Andy Hussong View Post

            Just curious... did I hear correctly that MSMM would actually help fulfill some of the video stuff or services that you'd provide as an MSMM consultant? I may be mistaken, but I was thinking that was part of the deal, too.

            Thanks.
            I heard that too - but I don't think it said anywhere that it was included in the cost... just available (probably for extra cost) to MSMM members that don't want to do everything themselves.
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        • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
          Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

          I have no doubt some people will make decent money scammi...er, selling their services to offline clients.

          I have serious doubts as to whether their services will ever make a single dime for their clients, however.
          That is an interesting point. There is no real way to report out about how much money you are making your client using the system, only how big of a check you are able to pick up. Having said that, I don't want to sound self-righteous about it. I guess I mean that clarity is needed to determine what criteria to use to say that the program works.

          I do wish all well who make the purchase and hope that Warriors will come back to say if it is working for you or not (regardless of what criteria that you use).

          CT
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          • Profile picture of the author igrowyourbiz
            Originally Posted by Charles Harper View Post

            That is an interesting point. There is no real way to report out about how much money you are making your client using the system, only how big of a check you are able to pick up. Having said that, I don't want to sound self-righteous about it. I guess I mean that clarity is needed to determine what criteria to use to say that the program works.

            I do wish all well who make the purchase and hope that Warriors will come back to say if it is working for you or not (regardless of what criteria that you use).

            CT
            there are at least a dozen ways to track...however I doubt this program covers it
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    If a market is saturated, then you need to reposition yourself as something different...

    Don't be "just another SEO" person that allows them to price-shop for the lowest deal, package and re-introduce your SOLUTION as something that would be an Apples to Oranges comparison to just providing technical stuff.

    This can include analyzing their existing business profit leaks, developing a USP with them, lead generation marketing consultations, developing a relationship-based selling system and more...all packaged together into one maintenance fee.

    Now you aren't just offering them a "web presence" but a completely hands-off marketing system that you will work together with them on...

    Does that make sense?

    If "market saturation" existed in the business world, then there'd be no new companies ever created...

    ~Dexx
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    • Profile picture of the author trishworks4u
      ....all very good points and I'm not trying to "poo poo" this product at all because I haven't even been to the sales page.

      What I am saying is that I know what these Sales Pages say - (ie - untapped market, $ there for the taking, etc. etc.).

      Anyone considering going into this needs to understand that, based on where you live, that simply may not be the case. The overused example of the IM guy walking into the pizza parlor and walking back out with a $5k consulting check is NOT TYPICAL!

      Yes - you have to differentiate yourself, and not just from a few competitors, possibly from 100's. This includes joining Chambers - putting on Free Seminars, and a lot of meetings and proposals that will probably turn into squat.

      Someone above asked if it helped to be the "local seo person" that was approaching these small businesses. For the most part, not all though, these competitors WERE local. A lot of them now are going door to door and that is REALLY irking the business owners. The standard line is - "There's not many customers in here for a Friday. Would you like to get some more?".

      I certainly don't want to see anyone fail but would have been very grateful for a few warning flags prior to my jumping into this. As I say about almost everything, though - it was a valuable experience. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author keweus
    Mike states that MSMM includes Traffic Geyser..

    Does that mean there are NO monthly fees for the TG system?

    Or is it a 2-3 year pre-paid inclusion, and the monthly fees kick in at some point?

    Heck, it's almost worth buying just for the TG system if it's truly included at no additional monthly cost..

    TIA
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    • Profile picture of the author PR
      I believe it includes 12 months of Traffic Geyser...

      PR
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      • Profile picture of the author keweus
        Ha Ha - I love Mike, but I don't like how this $3k product seemingly comes with some down-the-road surprises (TG fees, and potentially fees for other services which are included for a limited time only).
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        • Profile picture of the author ECoughlin
          I can't believe how expensive this product is. I've pretty much had it with these super-expensive launches for rehashed products.

          You don't need TG to get your pages listed high on the SERPS. You can go to offlinebiz.com and get lots of advice on approaching small business owners and it's about a 1000 times cheaper. Invest the money you save in a good Adwords/Facebook local biz campaign and voila! you're on page 1.

          Sorry, folks, I'm a little bit OVER these gurus ripping people off.
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  • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
    Just watching the final video...

    Mike says "and since a single job for a home painter is worth about $13,000...."

    I guess painters in the US get paid a lot more than in the UK.

    I also hate rule #3.

    Who cares whether something has 300,000 or 100,000 competitors.

    The only relevant point is who's in positions 1-5.

    Re the experiment, It's dirt easy to end up in those positions
    for a few days , especially with no competition on the term.

    Product looks nicely put together however with some good tools and
    support , whether it's "worth" $3000.00 or not, hard to determine.

    Just not overly keen on some of the hype.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jimian
      Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

      Just watching the final video...

      Mike says "and since a single job for a home painter is worth about $13,000...."

      I guess painters in the US get paid a lot more than in the UK.

      I also hate rule #3.

      Who cares whether something has 300,000 or 100,000 competitors.

      The only relevant point is who's in positions 1-5.

      Re the experiment, It's dirt easy to end up in those positions
      for a few days , especially with no competition on the term.

      Product looks nicely put together however with some good tools and
      support , whether it's "worth" $3000.00 or not, hard to determine.

      Just not overly keen on some of the hype.
      Simon,

      I think he mentions UNDER 300,000 for the simple fact that it'd be easier to get indexed in Google on the first page versus a phrase that has 2 million pages of info.

      The price for Main Street marketing? Wayyyyyyyyyy over-priced!

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      • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
        Originally Posted by Jimian View Post

        Simon,

        I think he mentions UNDER 300,000 for the simple fact that it'd be easier to get indexed in Google on the first page versus a phrase that has 2 million pages of info.

        ~ JIM
        Yes, that's exactly what he means.

        It's also irrelevent because it's not actually true in many cases.

        Would you rather fight off 2 million results with PR1 and no backlinks or 10, PR 5-9's ?

        ...

        It's really time the whole "less than x" crap died a death
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  • Profile picture of the author valdivz
    I definitely was not surprised by the results that were shown.

    he did an experiment for " la jolla house painter " which is completely simple to rank for...has no traffic according to Google Keyword tool. He doesn't mention Google Maps (unless I missed something)

    Local businesses want to see an ROI for their investment...how could you really give someone their money's worth for getting them ranked for a keyword that's not going to help them?

    He should actually have showed ranking for an actual keyword that gets traffic that will actually produce good results for a client. That's a bit of smoke and mirrors to hype the product.

    I don't know about his other bonuses and stuff...who knows if the phone app creator has actually helped a business.

    Definitely not worth the price tag. It's too much because there's many partners involved with the whole product.
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  • Profile picture of the author mhobbs25
    It does seem like a lot of marketers are turning to marketing to small businesses lately. I think its because small business owners don't have a clue about whats going on or anything about the internet. If you can be that person to help them make more money from their products then they are willing to pay you some pretty good money.

    Its easier to duplicate this as well since you deal in your own local market place. The internet can get pretty crowded around the same old keywords but when you start targeting local keywords you pretty much have an endless supply to go after.

    Anyway I think this one is the best that I have seen come out so far. They actually provide you with all the marketing materials and numbers to present to these business owners.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsiomtw
    The whole thing just seems fatally flawed due to Google Maps. So what if you have a top 10 ranking for "la jolla painter". For 1 it gets almost no searches, and more importantly, the eyeballs of anyone who DID search for that term will go immediately to one of the "local business results" right at the top ala Google maps. These listings are highlighted big time, they have phone numbers, reviews, etc.

    To think you are going to get any clicks being #4 or #5 for "la jolla painter" is silly. You'd be lucky to get 1 click per month. That is not something you can charge a painter for in good faith.

    Can someone tell me what I'm missing here?
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  • Profile picture of the author AmyBrown
    I bit, and 8.5 hours after purchase I'm not completely happy. The "university" training starts May 20, all of the currently available content is from TG or Firepower, not even rebranded to Main Street Marketing. I was interested in a few pieces to the offline puzzle and felt they were worth the cost, but right now I have mixed feelings.
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    • Profile picture of the author igrowyourbiz
      Originally Posted by AmyBrown View Post

      I bit, and 8.5 hours after purchase I'm not completely happy. The "university" training starts May 20, all of the currently available content is from TG or Firepower, not even rebranded to Main Street Marketing. I was interested in a few pieces to the offline puzzle and felt they were worth the cost, but right now I have mixed feelings.
      the only part that interested me was the templates and squeeze page videos etc...did that come with it?
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      • Profile picture of the author AmyBrown
        Originally Posted by igrowyourbiz View Post

        the only part that interested me was the templates and squeeze page videos etc...did that come with it?
        So far there's one website template and some audio and video loops. There are 5 or so pre-written reports/templates as well as forms, checklists, etc.

        I understand that they're holding some things back from tire kickers/refunders and that it's a 12 week program. What I expected, and may still receive, was a systemized approach to what I'm already doing. If I get one extra client a month from MSMM it will be worth the cost.
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  • Profile picture of the author Angela Wills
    You don`t need video to get top local rankings. I just built a website for a local small town business and I`m getting rankings for at least five highly relevant, targeted terms that I`m positive will make him a lot of long term income. The site is less than a month old so maybe the rankings will jump but it was super easy and the site has almost no content. I did a video review of it on my site I was so shocked it happened so quickly and easily. I`ve also done this for a second local site now with just SEO.

    I actually attended an event where Mike was talking about targeting local business about two years ago now. I set up a few `real estate`targeted sites using Traffic Geyser and didn`t find it all that easy to get top rankings - though maybe real estate was just too competitive a term, even if it was local business.

    A concern I have with TG now is the mass submissions - don`t the search engines disapprove of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author dean1969
      Originally Posted by bh740 View Post

      As a newbie the hype is a bit much...even I figured out that when you key in "frank kern master control" into Google right after you posted a bunch of videos loaded with the phrase that it would be pretty easy to get a good ranking...if I enter my website name into the google search I get a #1 ranking...doh!

      now the fact that it includes a year of "diamond level" TG in my mind reduces the price fro the course significantly

      and after deciding that I wasn't ready for this product i decided I wanted to try out TG-unfortunately if you try to go to the TG site you get redirected to MSM...as a person who hates the hype, this just annoys me to no end-does anyone know if plain TG is still available?...although at this point I'm considering TubeMogul to get started for free
      You may have other S.E.O. motives than to just get on the front page of Google with video, and if you do then you might need a paid subscription.

      But if your only goal is to make front page, the only video sites necessary are Metacafe, Youtube and Dailymotion. You probably already know this but thought I'd tell you anyway.
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      • Profile picture of the author oldjohnboy
        Dean, That's extremely interesting. How did you establish that all
        that is required for Page 1 Google rank is Metacafe, Youtube and Dailymotion?
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    • Profile picture of the author JimOrr
      Before I say anything I will just disclose that I do work with Mike and I helped develop MSMM. So if you want to call my opinion totally biased so be it.

      However I just have to ask of the people that say that it is overpriced how many of you have actually seen it? Maybe I missed it but just skimming through the posts here it seems that no one who has actually purchased and seen it has said that it is overpriced.

      Removing myself from my bias as much as I can I can honestly tell you that I think the product is terribly under priced.

      You can easily, and yes I mean easily make your money back and then some in the first 30 days without actually getting into any of the training material at all.

      When I showed Jim Cockrum (co-owner of OffLineBiz) MSMM2.0 Fusion he flipped out. So much so that if you go check out his blog you will see that his bonus is if you do not make your money back in 30 days either he personally or someone on his coaching staff will get on the phone and work with you 1:1 until you do make your money back and then some. If you still don't then he will reach in his own pocket and refund your money himself. Even if it is 2 months, 6 months, 12 months, a year, or 5 years down the road when you call him on it.

      Bold statement for sure, but quite honestly he sees what I know and that is the ONLY way you will not be in the black in no time flat with this investment is if you don't even try.

      This statement holds just as true for a green horned newbie in this business as well as a seasoned veteran.

      If anyone that has actually purchased the product and looked around wants to disagree with me here I would love to engage in a conversation with you about it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Scott Alan
        I purchased MSMM FUSION and IMHO it is hugely under-priced. I have purchased more programs than I care to admit. Most of them did not live up to the hype.

        MSMM FUSION exceeded my expectations.

        It is laid out in a simple, yet powerful step-by-step way.

        Like I mentioned before, I have bought many, many programs in the past and this is the first one that I actually got excited about after buying it and seeing what I got!!!

        I'm very happy that I bought it............

        Best Regards,
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Hi,

          l am presently going into building websites for local businesses, and have one or two that desperately need my help.

          I should be able to get $1500 up front and $995 after that for at least a month. Most people may pull the plug, so l have options to decrease the costs after the first 2 months.

          I achieved this by being in the right place at the right time, and even-though l could pay someone in India, most business people don't have a clue about internet related stuff.

          I am using SBI, Site Build It a Canadian company, that offers a high quality site for about $300 a year, but they currently temporary have a month by month offer also.

          Just send me a pm and l will send you my SBI website address.

          So, this might be a great course but it can be done, (as l have proved) much cheaper.

          SBI does require a lot of learning to get it going, but unlike other popular hosts out there it has a very reliable contact interface and can be expanded indefinitely, (no 100 page limit).

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          • Profile picture of the author Nisip
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            actually much better quality on main street marketing you can find in the WF WSO section, and they cost on average $7 and not $3,000.00

            The price shows the exact indication that MSMM2F is exactly just a hugely overpriced hype for tricking newbies
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            • Profile picture of the author JimOrr
              Interesting observation. It seems the break down down between the people that say it is well priced or even under priced and those that say it is over priced and a rip off seem to go down the same lines as the people that actually bought it and those that did not.

              If you are on the edge I guess you just need to decide which people are in a better position to make a more informed opinion.
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              • Profile picture of the author Johnnyk100
                What is never discussed in these products is that the main skill needed that most of us do not have is the ability to close sales. Selling to local busnesses is one of the hardest most difficult sales jobs there is. You have to be a well trained tough as nails one call closer to make money. Most of the people reading this do not have these skills. Hence your $3000 bucks is most certaily a waste of your money. Sorry, the truth can hurt.

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        • Profile picture of the author Marty S
          Originally Posted by Scott Alan View Post

          I purchased MSMM FUSION and IMHO it is hugely under-priced.
          It should be $15,000+ then?

          Okay I must say that I did have a look at this program after all, and just so you know I was VERY impressed with the presentation, navigation, and organization of the product. It seems now that the "second" launch is now the in thing to do, because only then do you have everything ready to go as promised. The same thing is happening right now with Link Liberation 2, which was mess-of-a-launch last year.

          I must hand it to Mike K for one of the best laid out products that is complimented with prompt customer service.

          However, as opposed to some glorious posts above here about MSMM FUSION, I feel that not only is it too expensive, the initial costs ($3,000) for the program are only the beginning of your investment. That is because with MSMM FUSION you are essentially buying yourself a sales job, and paying huge, ongoing commissions to Mike and partners PER client that you sign up.

          Now, in all honesty this is a very clever, even genius business model. Mike is getting new IMers to pay him for the privilege of continuing to pay him. I am not joking when I say that this impressed me quite a bit as I read through the material and figured out what was going on.

          As mentioned the content is laid out and presented better than anything you have ever seen, BUT the actual value of that content is at best duplicate, because it is freely available in this forum and elsewhere. If you have been doing IM for any length of time, you will instantly recognize familiar content covering very basic IM information such as auto-responders, SEO, keyword research, and prospecting small businesses. The level of professional presentation will subconsciously divert you from how utterly basic and accessible this kind of info is.

          This content is wrapped around a few key features of MSMM one of them being an "influence engine" which spews out a computer generated research report that you can present to your prospect to help close a deal. If they buy, you sign them for a monthly service in MSMM for the tune of $300, $600 even more per month. Then you charge your client even more and keep the difference. Keep in mind, you still do a chunk of the work to keep your client happy.

          It is more than a little odd to me that the positive reviews of this product in this thread failed to mention this.

          Now this could be a justified expense for someone who really knows NOTHING about IM, and I feel that is what MSMM is targeting. Out of work or career changing individuals. Even for those types though, these monthly expenses will look rather massive at the end of a year. Remember, you are paying for EVERY client you sign up. This is what I mean by "buying yourself a job".

          Some of the automated research data promised in MSMM is only available to USA members, so as a Canadian, I did not even get to try the "crown jewel" report engine of which the entire MSMM is touting.

          What MSMM does really well is provide you with professionally looking sales materials. But again the content in those materials are straight-up and easily accessible within this very forum and beyond. If someone pays Mike a fee per client for a full year, surely they will look back at the $1,000s spent and say, hey - maybe I can get that outsourced. I know I would, but of course I would not even let it get that far.

          In summary: A well presented GURU launch built on readily available content and strategies, targeting brand spanking new IMers in an attempt to grow ongoing sales for MSMM partners. Stay away. Stay far away from this.
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          • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
            Originally Posted by Marty S View Post


            I must hand it to Mike K for one of the best laid out products that is complimented with prompt customer service.

            However, as opposed to some glorious posts above here about MSMM FUSION, I feel that not only is it too expensive, the initial costs ($3,000) for the program are only the beginning of your investment. That is because with MSMM FUSION you are essentially buying yourself a sales job, and paying huge, ongoing commissions to Mike and partners PER client that you sign up.

            Now, in all honesty this is a very clever, even genius business model. Mike is getting new IMers to pay him for the privilege of continuing to pay him. I am not joking when I say that this impressed me quite a bit as I read through the material and figured out what was going on.


            ...

            This content is wrapped around a few key features of MSMM one of them being an "influence engine" which spews out a computer generated research report that you can present to your prospect to help close a deal. If they buy, you sign them for a monthly service in MSMM for the tune of $300, $600 even more per month. Then you charge your client even more and keep the difference. Keep in mind, you still do a chunk of the work to keep your client happy.

            It is more than a little odd to me that the positive reviews of this product in this thread failed to mention this.

            Now this could be a justified expense for someone who really knows NOTHING about IM, and I feel that is what MSMM is targeting. Out of work or career changing individuals. Even for those types though, these monthly expenses will look rather massive at the end of a year. Remember, you are paying for EVERY client you sign up. This is what I mean by "buying yourself a job".

            ...

            Tire-kicking here and have a few things to point out with regards to comments here and above.

            1) influence engine - had questions but found answers. Neat


            2) On the "genius business model" mentioned above, this is actually a model similar to that offered by several others there like GoDaddy where you pay to be a reseller, then earn a percentage of hosting, domains, etc. that you sell while you remain in their paid reseller program. Ditto with any of us needing to have our own subscription to many other affiliate programs out there, so there is nothing inherently wrong in the business model in those regards - ie nothing shady, etc. Or again here, maybe I'm missing something to the model (very well could be, so let me know)...? My company participates in the GoDaddy one, for instance, and for years and it has been and still is very rewarding. Having a partnering company to help with all types of technical software and tasks, and entering into a business partnership is done in various forms, even offline for ages past, and works fine for many a business relationship.

            In the worst case scenario, move content and re-point the DNS for your clients and self and don’t renew programs. It might take a little time, but add that into your planning and pricing for your clients, a close-out package or something. It’s your baby, so model what you’d like.

            3. Another item not mentioned in the features is the use of SalesForce software for leads handling with this Influence engine component, nothing cheap in that software or service in itself. So kudos to MSMM for this exciting feature / tool. I'm guessing more enhanced SalesForce features could follow for an even better communication experience as well as lead handling experience for MSMM folks and their clients.

            Here again, worst case scenario: move your data or handle it differently (or in duplicate), setting up shop equally using Gmail or other communications avenue. Develop your own model and have a "moving" package for clients.

            My own other points to add into the evaluation mix:

            A) Local Search Marketing

            This overall theme is a focus with the program and its materials, but I see a much broader view. You can certainly make websites, blogs, mini-sites, videos (there's a neat slide-show creator tool inside, too), articles, etc. for Internet marketing with a broader range and not focus on a local angle. Forget the Influence engine and other local components, if you like, and go worldwide using the tools in that capacity.

            You may find a client or two who'd like a local search focus and would have the tools if you need them, but seriously this could be optional.

            B) Lead Generation

            While there are tools and a focus here to get leads, there are certainly many other tools and features to use for clients and your own projects. Video marketing, social media marketing, blog marketing, article marketing, mobile marketing…add your own unique products and services and go to town here with all they offer in tools, professional developed and tested materials, etc. You’re not selling Google Maps placements or don’t have to have any focus on this, in other words. For those Warriors here with outsourcing services already set up, this can be a handy helper.

            C) Price

            As to the overall price, as that's a big question here, think about this: if you pick up a current Business Opportunities Handbook magazine (head to Amazon), check out prices to buy into a franchise or to become a distributor. When you find anything at all in the $3000 range, do the math on your other costs, many of which are not one-time (like royalty fees, co-op advertising with your brand name, etc) and compare. This is a business, not a $7 ebook here, and that seems to be ignored by some here.

            Consider MSMM as you would consider an investment in a franchise or paid subscription where you have to be a paid member in order to be an affiliate. There is nothing wrong in these models, as you are paying others to handle a lot of work on a continued basis, and that does bear costs. Install any script like a forum of this type, and let it go and run itself, and you'll find in a very short time that it's overtaken with spammers.

            From what I see to date from MSMM and the company / owners' history, they are around to tackle tech and Internet evolution. And they're inviting others along to team up, or not. It's a choice to consider, and the products and services they offer are top notch, no one is denying this - - so it's up to you and what you want to do with it.

            If you need to take out a 2nd mortgage to buy into it, no. Do as Dexx says and pick up a couple books and dig in here at this forum for plenty of help.

            If you have the funds in your budget and are considering a new joint venture or partnership, I'd do some tire-kicking and math and see if this fits in with your plans. Nothing wrong with that
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          • Profile picture of the author JimOrr
            Originally Posted by Marty S View Post

            ....

            However, as opposed to some glorious posts above here about MSMM FUSION, I feel that not only is it too expensive, the initial costs ($3,000) for the program are only the beginning of your investment. That is because with MSMM FUSION you are essentially buying yourself a sales job, and paying huge, ongoing commissions to Mike and partners PER client that you sign up.

            Now, in all honesty this is a very clever, even genius business model. Mike is getting new IMers to pay him for the privilege of continuing to pay him. I am not joking when I say that this impressed me quite a bit as I read through the material and figured out what was going on.

            ....

            This content is wrapped around a few key features of MSMM one of them being an "influence engine" which spews out a computer generated research report that you can present to your prospect to help close a deal. If they buy, you sign them for a monthly service in MSMM for the tune of $300, $600 even more per month. Then you charge your client even more and keep the difference. Keep in mind, you still do a chunk of the work to keep your client happy.

            It is more than a little odd to me that the positive reviews of this product in this thread failed to mention this.

            Now this could be a justified expense for someone who really knows NOTHING about IM, and I feel that is what MSMM is targeting. Out of work or career changing individuals. Even for those types though, these monthly expenses will look rather massive at the end of a year. Remember, you are paying for EVERY client you sign up. This is what I mean by "buying yourself a job".

            Some of the automated research data promised in MSMM is only available to USA members, so as a Canadian, I did not even get to try the "crown jewel" report engine of which the entire MSMM is touting.

            What MSMM does really well is provide you with professionally looking sales materials. But again the content in those materials are straight-up and easily accessible within this very forum and beyond. If someone pays Mike a fee per client for a full year, surely they will look back at the $1,000s spent and say, hey - maybe I can get that outsourced. I know I would, but of course I would not even let it get that far.

            In summary: A well presented GURU launch built on readily available content and strategies, targeting brand spanking new IMers in an attempt to grow ongoing sales for MSMM partners. Stay away. Stay far away from this.
            I fully appreciate yours and ever one else's opinion and thoughts concerning MSMM fusion. However it is a a little discerning when opinions are based on misinformation. Which yours I can assure you is. You mentioned you read through everything very carefully. I might suggest you go back and read it again.

            Traffic Geyser does NOT charge you $300 to $600 a month for the clients you sign up. That is what is recommended that YOU should be charging your client.

            Once you sign up your client you have two options.

            1. Do the work yourself that the report says needs to be done for that month and keep ALL the money yourself.

            2. Pay a fee of $500 which Traffic Geyser will do the work for you for THREE months, not one. This also includes other services like tweeting and posting the positive reviews the client recives.

            That comes out to $166.00 per month. That is also a 12 month option for $1797.00 which comes out to just under $150.00 per month.

            Again if you want to do the work yourself or you have a VA that is well versed in all of this and can do it for less then that more power to you.

            However, if you are still feeling your way through this and are not confident that you know how to do this yourself yet and deliver for your clients then have TG do the work for you.

            Really the only piece of work you will need to do is for this is run the updated report once a month and collect the check. You can just roll with this if you want or add on other services that that you can learn along the way with other Money Maps or simply go with other services you are familiar with. Up to you.
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            • Profile picture of the author Marty S
              Originally Posted by JimOrr View Post

              I fully appreciate yours and ever one else's opinion and thoughts concerning MSMM fusion. However it is a a little discerning when opinions are based on misinformation. Which yours I can assure you is. You mentioned you read through everything very carefully. I might suggest you go back and read it again.

              Traffic Geyser does NOT charge you $300 to $600 a month for the clients you sign up. That is what is recommended that YOU should be charging your client.
              I did not mention Traffic Geyser once, but there are other ongoing monthly services with this program, of which I cannot go back and review because I cancelled as soon as I caught on to the clever details of the program. But rest assured, there are ongoing charges per client you sign up, in addition to the $3,000 you pay for the well presented content.

              I am not an affiliate, nor was I involved in the amazingly professional re-incarnation of basic knowledge that is the MSMM FUSION. However, I can assure you, that your opinion is valid to you.

              This product is closed anyway now, and thank your lucky stars it is. Do a search for small business marketing on Amazon and choose any one of those top 5 $20 selections for a wealth of information MSMM is essentially based upon.
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              • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
                Originally Posted by Marty S View Post

                I did not mention Traffic Geyser once, but there are other ongoing monthly services with this program, of which I cannot go back and review because I cancelled as soon as I caught on to the clever details of the program. But rest assured, there are ongoing charges per client you sign up, in addition to the $3,000 you pay for the well presented content.

                I am not an affiliate, nor was I involved in the amazingly professional re-incarnation of basic knowledge that is the MSMM FUSION. However, I can assure you, that your opinion is valid to you.

                This product is closed anyway now, and thank your lucky stars it is. Do a search for small business marketing on Amazon and choose any one of those top 5 $20 selections for a wealth of information MSMM is essentially based upon.
                I’ll try to help here. First, long-time users of Traffic Geyser refer to Influences Engine, MSMM, etc. as Traffic Geyser. So while I can’t speak for JimOrr, that’s probably what he meant. Just a guess.
                And second, to sum up Influences Engine, from what I understand, here goes (I don’t work there or anything, so hopefully this is correct):

                - Influences Engines is a tool to target local search visibility and is only one component of MSMM, only one focus of more than 6 + components there. Other components are video making and submission tools, article submission tools, leads capture tools, blogging / RSS tools, social media tools, mobile marketing tools, biz in a box tools and templates for your IM biz and lots of others for clients' biz (these are focused on many main niches).

                - Influences Engines generates very detailed stats; ie free search engine ranking / rating reports (N. American at this time, I believe). The reports can act as a guide to help you help your client improve ratings / and thus rank by pointing out search engines where their site is not listed and more. Show them their competitor’s ratings, too, while you’re at it - - for free - - and really close sales

                - If you want to work with the report and your client on your own to improve ratings / rank, go for it. Again it’s free. Follow the report as a blueprint, tackling missing listings and other data that is focused on. Or outsource it or whatever.

                - If you want to outsource via Influence Engines own staff, again totally optional at any point along the way, their costs are $497 for 3 months or $1797 for a year. For this price, the Influences Engines’ team will run reports each month and focus on the top 5 things that are holding the site back from higher ratings / rank, based upon a recent report they pull that month. Yes, there is set up involved: filling out a form with basic client info: description, logo, Twitter ID, Facebook ID, email, phone, etc. You can charge for this, as you might in any business set up (like $25 or more for account set ups with some membership plans). There is no trick or hidden agenda or anything here: it’s business, and their video training advises on this and helps guide you through pricing, working with clients, etc. in videos and Word doc proposals, follow ups, etc. (You get tons of forms and guidance for all their components).

                And you can charge more than Influence Engines charges – for their service and / or bundle in other services, like build your client’s fan page, set up their Twitter page and blog, etc, even using some of MSMM’s own templates and tools (that are all in the $3000 package). Follow up each month and blog for them, create and submit videos and articles, etc. use the tools packaged in or not, again, up to you. The article submission tool is neat, just an FYI. Submit and find out fast if your content is accepted, and if not, submit it elsewhere in a click.

                OK, someone can check my math, but over a year’s time, that means for about $30 a project task, a virtual assistant (VA) of Influence Engines will enter your entire updated profile info including photo, logo, business description, link, Facebook, Twitter IDs, etc. into a search engine directory or whatever one of the top 5 placement recommendations turn out to be. If a link is faulty, the post rejects, the logo is the wrong size, etc., these VAs will call, email, seek in-house Influence Engines help, etc. to get the job done without bothering you or your client. Sure, that may seem like a click to many of you, but it also could help when some submission sites are just stubborn and reject for multiple reasons (some of you know what I mean, I’m sure ). So again, do this yourself or outsource it - -or forget about this component, and focus on =all the other MSMM components.

                Hope that helps clear things up some Again, I don’t work there or anything, so hopefully my tire-kicking has resulted in getting you accurate info. If not, someone will hopefully point out the errors.
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            • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
              Originally Posted by JimOrr View Post

              I fully appreciate yours and ever one else's opinion and thoughts concerning MSMM fusion. However it is a a little discerning when opinions are based on misinformation. Which yours I can assure you is. You mentioned you read through everything very carefully. I might suggest you go back and read it again.

              Traffic Geyser does NOT charge you $300 to $600 a month for the clients you sign up. That is what is recommended that YOU should be charging your client.

              Once you sign up your client you have two options.

              1. Do the work yourself that the report says needs to be done for that month and keep ALL the money yourself.

              2. Pay a fee of $500 which Traffic Geyser will do the work for you for THREE months, not one. This also includes other services like tweeting and posting the positive reviews the client recives.

              That comes out to $166.00 per month. That is also a 12 month option for $1797.00 which comes out to just under $150.00 per month.

              Again if you want to do the work yourself or you have a VA that is well versed in all of this and can do it for less then that more power to you.

              However, if you are still feeling your way through this and are not confident that you know how to do this yourself yet and deliver for your clients then have TG do the work for you.

              Really the only piece of work you will need to do is for this is run the updated report once a month and collect the check. You can just roll with this if you want or add on other services that that you can learn along the way with other Money Maps or simply go with other services you are familiar with. Up to you.

              See my other posts. Found that you do NOT have 2 options:

              #1 is an inaccurate report that you cannot use, plus the report for month #2 , #3, #4, and so on will be the same, regardless of what you do in-house.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmyBrown
    An update: The training schedule is currently:

    May 4, 2010 9:00 PM - 10:00 PM EDT
    May 6, 2010 7:00 PM - 8:00 PM EDT
    May 10, 2010 7:00 PM - 8:00 PM EDT
    May 12, 2010 7:00 PM - 8:00 PM EDT
    May 14, 2010 7:00 PM - 8:00 PM EDT
    May 20, 2010 7:00 PM - 8:00 PM EDT
    May 27, 2010 7:00 PM - 8:00 PM EDT
    Jun 3, 2010 7:00 PM - 8:00 PM EDT
    Jun 10, 2010 7:00 PM - 8:00 PM EDT
    Jun 17, 2010 7:00 PM - 8:00 PM EDT
    Jun 24, 2010 7:00 PM - 8:00 PM EDT
    Jul 1, 2010 7:00 PM - 8:00 PM EDT
    Jul 8, 2010 7:00 PM - 8:00 PM EDT
    Jul 15, 2010 7:00 PM - 8:00 PM EDT

    In addition there were issues with the logins which has now been resolved. There are resources in 3 different locations so it's difficult to find the different parts of the program.
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  • Profile picture of the author AFFILIATE ROB
    I missed the last few pre-launch videos. Does anyone know how I can see them now that the launch has started?
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    Hi Rob,

    Pls contact me direct re the main street marketing files as can't PM you the links due to post count
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  • Profile picture of the author imlogic
    Local seo consulting is beyond stupid... might as well move to india and try and get hired as virtual assistant for 2 dollars an hour.

    Think long term for a second... This is akin to studying programming years ago thinking the web is going to explode and not considering that there's over 100 million programmers emerging from india willing to work for 5 bucks an hour.

    Being a programmer now in the west is like being able to flip a hamburger.

    If you're going to be selling your services you better be able to do something not that many people can do now or be able to do it in the near future. If you think it's difficult today with all the me-too seo companies bombarding small business wait until india gets involved.

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    • Profile picture of the author Merlinthecat
      people like to do business with people they know and trust, if you re willing to 'connect' with your client they are going to do business with YOU. They are not going to engage with an seo company out of India, not for a moment
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      • Profile picture of the author imlogic
        Originally Posted by Merlinthecat View Post

        people like to do business with people they know and trust, if you re willing to 'connect' with your client they are going to do business with YOU. They are not going to engage with an seo company out of India, not for a moment
        You can say the same thing about who they buy their pencils and garbage bags from... my point is this local seo nonsense is nothing more than learning web design 10 years ago thinking the web is going to blow up and all these people will need web design.

        The price for local seo services is only going to be forced lower and lower because a guy in india can do it for 3 bucks an hour - it's nothing more than a commodity (like manufacturing a pencil). Knowing web design and flipping a hamburger is no different now... and the same will be true with local seo.

        You gotta find your niche in the world otherwise you're nothing more than a lab rat running in a maze buying these expensive programs in the hopes of exchanging your current maze for a new one.

        If consulting is your niche you better offer a service not many people can or will be able to.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Pine
          Originally Posted by imlogic View Post

          You can say the same thing about who they buy their pencils and garbage bags from... my point is this local seo nonsense is nothing more than learning web design 10 years ago thinking the web is going to blow up and all these people will need web design.

          The price for local seo services is only going to be forced lower and lower because a guy in india can do it for 3 bucks an hour - it's nothing more than a commodity (like manufacturing a pencil). Knowing web design and flipping a hamburger is no different now... and the same will be true with local seo.

          You gotta find your niche in the world otherwise you're nothing more than a lab rat running in a maze buying these expensive programs in the hopes of exchanging your current maze for a new one.

          If consulting is your niche you better offer a service not many people can or will be able to.
          I couldn't agree more, I was competing for SEO and website design and losing the battle bitterly to people offering services for pennies and delivering nothing.

          So instead of being the guy showing up for a sale, I became the guy asking you what is working and not working from your current online strategy, and what are your actual goals in even being online in the first place.

          Now people hear a couple of suggestions before asking me how much with checkbook in hand. It was actually great, 2 weeks ago I was at a client when a local SEO company popped in uninvited and tried to get a meeting, so I heard there entire seo pitch.

          Turns out they were just walking through town hitting every single location without doing a bit of research on the businesses or they would have known that much of what they offered was already done, and the additional services they were offering did not have a rhyme or reason to the business owner.

          I sat quietly through there presentation chuckling to myself, when they left the business owner thanked me for not being one of those guys, and cut me a check on the spot.

          Most business owners really just want to grow there offline models to online, and do not understand the community/social aspect to it all.

          Facebook,Twitter, youtube, etc... are a total waste as services if they are not used to communicate with your current satisfied customers as well as a tool to spread the good news about what the business has to offer.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Pine
    I personally take an anti-seo strategy with most of my clients, only thing i do promise is a top 3 local seo for there business and search term for there local listings in google maps.

    Other then that I stress relationship building and networking by using existing offline clients to spread the word online through social media outlets, and providing content that your current customers will find interesting and worthy of sharing/tweeting/re-tweeting/facebooking... etc.. you get the idea.

    SEO is great for people who want to read and get info, but lets be real what make you go see someone for a hands on service, a face you know recommending it, or an article in a search engine by itself?

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  • Profile picture of the author valdivz
    I personally think this product is flawed and doesn't explain the whole truth!

    -Contracts can be found online -FREE- just alter it your own way
    -Marketing strategies are hard to come up with and you can find many in this forum for CHEAP

    -Product doesn't talk about Google Maps- they said nothing about it in their sales videos

    -I suspect many business owners will not be happy with the results they receive (not all but most)

    But, what's done is done...many people are going to buy it and give it a try. I guess that's kind of good... it pushes people/a big crowd towards local marketing...giving and making more room for us worldwide marketers to dominate more worldwide niches....
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    • Profile picture of the author czilbersher
      As long as there are shovel-makers, and those who think that hope springs eternal (you know...the folks who are already on their 10th WSO and have yet to fully implement on any of them), there will always be a market for more of this crap. Keep it comin' guys! Sounds like an "unfair advantage" to me! Wow...are local businesses really going to be banging down my door, begging me to market their business?? Count me in!! I think most of the folks here don't need another WSO unless its about self-empowerment and improvement. IMO, what 99% of the buyers here ought to do is: 1) Read 'Man's Search for Meaning' by Viktor Frankl to learn about what's really important in their lives. 2) Read "Think and Grow Rich" to acquire a basic, foundational mindset about money; 3) Complete Tony Robbins Personal Power II course as a MANDATORY prerequisite to buying any WSO. Didn't complete the 30 days? No soup for you!!

      Thanks for allowing me to vent.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marty S
      Originally Posted by scarface View Post

      Before you drop 3 large, you may want to learn something about the business besides what the clown trying to sell you this crap is saying. As mentioned, the pitch mentions not a word about Google maps or the any of the other 800 pound gorillas in the room. As also mentioned, anybody can rank for a phrase that has no traffic, you don't need to spend 3 grand to learn how to do that.

      You will eventually learn (if you survive this biz long enough) that the business model of the gurus and 9o percent of the people with WSO's is to take your money for stuff that either won't work, or is so ridiculously overpriced, (like this nonsense), until you go broke or learn to stop giving them your money.
      I have also run a real-world small business before, and it is an education to say the least when you depend on your front door opening. It gives you a different perspective of value and time while heightening your senses for what is really going to work as opposed to pie-in-the-sky salesmanship.

      Sir you have stated your case like a true businessman and I recognize you as such in your words. I expressed much the same case here:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post2033330

      Right now, with this entire Video Boss thing going on, Mike, Frank, Andy, John (and others to come for sure) are basically wowing newbie IMers with video effects and scripts that are practically ripped from marketing books right now. Selling them into a timely release of content, "yet to be announced - but don't cancel cause you'll miss out strategy".

      Frank Kern was quoted as saying he set the price at $1,997, because he "liked that price point". Sorry, but for me, and maybe it's because I busted my ass washing dishes and taking out the trash in my own restaurant, well... I am just going to need a better reason to spend money like that. Now, with price tags on similar launches exceeding even that, I am beginning to find this rather annoying and even circus-like. Seems to me they are in competition with each to see who can claim the biggest earning launches, and package that into yet another product to be released at a later date. People, c'mon. VALUE ALERT!!!

      I really don't know how many newbie IMers are left to squeeze this kind of money out of, but there seems to be a shockingly endless supply. Kudos to Mike and friends for jumping on it, I suppose.

      But I digress.

      Bottom line: Forget about spending $3g on this, really. Go out and knock on some doors and prove to yourself if you have the BALLS to bring home some business. Surely, you can design a flyer on your computer?? If you can, you will be surprised how easy it is to outsource and bring money making projects together without making the down payment on Mike's, John's, Frank's, or Andy's next new sports car.


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    • Profile picture of the author dblgdee
      Originally Posted by scarface View Post

      There are a couple of points here that some of you are beating around the bush on but are not quite hitting the mark.

      First, as an owner of several real world businesses over the last 30 years I can tell you that you can't even begin to imagine how many people try to stick their hand in your pocket on a daily basis.
      Seo, or whatever you want to call this this service you are going to perform for these business owners, is just a newer, not new, form of advertising. The ad biz is the most competitive B to B on the planet. Untapped? New? Hardly. The Internet didn't start up yesterday. Is there a market for this service? Absolutely. Can you do it? Maybe. If you are going to enter this market, you need to realize this will involve far more than sitting in front of a computer. You are going to have to have real contact with your prospects either on the phone or more likely in person. That means you better be a damn good salesperson or are willing to become one. You had better be able to take serious rejection and keep going. If you can't do that, don't even consider it.

      Before you drop 3 large, you may want to learn something about the business besides what the clown trying to sell you this crap is saying. As mentioned, the pitch mentions not a word about Google maps or the any of the other 800 pound gorillas in the room. As also mentioned, anybody can rank for a phrase that has no traffic, you don't need to spend 3 grand to learn how to do that.

      You will eventually learn (if you survive this biz long enough) that the business model of the gurus and 9o percent of the people with WSO's is to take your money for stuff that either won't work, or is so ridiculously overpriced, (like this nonsense), until you go broke or learn to stop giving them your money.

      I'd be willing to bet that every one of you that is reading this thread and is still struggling
      trying to find a way to make money on the Internet, has plenty of material on your hard drive right now that you have never used to start making good money, if you use it.

      Do yourself a favor and realize`that all these guys want is your money. Case in point. Mr. Koenigs says he has hired, trained and certified(?) 40 staff people in both TG and this main street marketing stuff. This, he says, is so they can help YOU.

      Really? Wake up folks. If this thing works like he says and he has 40 trained experts on staff now, he could make a gazillion bucks a week with them. He would not spend his time and money producing all this slick pitch material to sell this crap for a lousy 3 grand. That's chump change.

      Unless, of course, you actually believe that he and his guru buddies are doing this so that you and not they can make money. If so, if I were you, I would seek counseling before you find out there really is no Santa Claus.

      Please stop looking for the magic bullet, turn off the phone and especially your email notifier and just get to work.

      Cheers,
      There is a lot of info to be gleaned from this post.
      there is a lot of irony associated with the marketing space
      Some facts that still remain salient:
      Over 95% of the people involved in IM are not making any money
      " SEO experts" contacting others with promises to get sites promoted when their own site can not even be found

      Why is there reason to believe that offline space will be any different ? yet hope springs eternal.
      New marketing products are produced almost daily, who is really benefiting?
      Perhaps IM whether offline, local, online or international is still about marketing products.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
    I had the most success when I joined BNI and built relationships with other business owners. Once I gave a presentation to club mates they found business for me. BNI is about $400 to start and about $10-$15 a week for breakfast or lunch. The cost was worth it because my contacts were relationship based and I avoided cold calling which I abhor.

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  • Profile picture of the author Zach Booker
    People under estimate how much of a pain in the ass low-end offline clients are when you are offering an unpredictable service such as rankings on any search engine.

    When times are tough, and you want top dollar, they expect immediate gratification on their "investment".
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  • Profile picture of the author Amanda_Davis
    I am definitely NOT anti-guru-launches - I think a lot of products offer good value for what they provide to people in a position to USE them.

    But I also think it's important not to get swept up in the hype. Look at it objectively.

    What ELSE could you do with $3k in cash?

    1. Get a lawyer to draw up some contracts for YOU specifically - in YOUR market and territory (rather than rely on the generic ones provided by MSMM)
    2. Outsource a LOT of video & website production and show potential clients results in advance (and then get them on a retainer to continue your work)
    3. Buy some local biz data and pay for a mailing
    4. Etc!
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    • Profile picture of the author JimOrr
      Originally Posted by lifeplayground View Post

      Hi All, we've been followers of TG for a year and brought MSMM. Our main problem we are encoutnering with MSMM is the fact video websites are US based and we are trying to rank in Australia. Google.com.au will show .au pages first and not videos. So I'm keen to hear if people outside the US are having success with their local videos appearing on page 1 of Google.

      Cheers,
      Janet
      Hi Janet,

      I believe one can but not being from down under myself anything I could possible say to you would be nothing but hear-say. As a MSMM member you will note on your home page there is a bonus there allowing you a free gold membership into another membership site called OffLineBiz. I would suggest you take advantage of that offer. The main moderator there is a gentlemen by the name of Andrew Cavanagh. Big user of TG has been for some time and he is a fellow Aussie. Might want to pose your question to him.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Rodman
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    This products are hilarious. Basically sold on the premise that small business owners are idiots and will pay you some ridiculous amount per month to place their site in Google. It would be kind of funny to see a few people get some doors slammed in their face.

    "Mike Koenigs and Frank Kern said this would be easy"
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  • Profile picture of the author Nisip
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    squeeze pages and offline marketing templates - so many warriors create wonderful squeeze pages for $50 you don't need to throw $3000 for that!
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  • Profile picture of the author seankaye
    Well written post by Marty S, but I disagree in many ways...

    I'll pre-face my comments with some honesty so as not to muddy the waters further:

    - I promoted for MSMM Fusion and sold a few copies
    - I also made sure I bought the program because I'm not a big fan of promoting something and not using it myself
    - I live in Australia and I'm not a newbie

    I think its safe to say we agree that probably the best target audience for MSMM Fusion are newbies. I also think that if you watch the videos, Mike often alludes to the fact that he's offering a very complete package for newbie - in fact he uses the word, newbie. There's nothing wrong with that - if someone said pay me $3000 and I'll give you a business in a box that has proven tactics and methods inside, that's not a bad deal.

    The idea that Nisip proposes of running around buying a bunch of WSO's and stuff isn't practical. If you go back to the first point, these people are probably newbies and may not have much business experience. What MSMM Fusion does for them is literally walks them through the whole business process - every step of the way. Some things you may take for granted, some of these folks don't know - they just need someone to teach them.

    There's also a psychology element to the MSMM Community. Internet marketing is a lonely business, if you don't have a support system, you're new and struggling - your confidence is going to take a beating. It also takes a really strong person to walk into the local real estate office and tell them that you can help them with anything - this person has a shop on Main Street, their face on billboards across the community and who are you again? Fusion gives you quick access to the tools and materials to make you look the part - that builds your confidence.

    Is it worth $3000? Who knows... Mike and Rocket did AMAZINGLY well off the launch and they have a massive community of customer supporters, so that's gotta tell you something.

    I would have felt more comfortable buying and promoting the system if it were $2000 and here's why... I think the limitations around the Traffic Geyser and Monster Followup systems are a bit rough. With Monster Followup in particular, having to re-subscribe in six months seems a bit harsh. That said, a few weeks in and my personal customer refund rate is running at 0%.

    I look at it this way... There are so many people in America who are looking to be their own boss or just looking for a job. Small businesses are getting hammered by box stores and a general lag in the economy. People have also changed the way they've shop and research products. If some of the people who bough MSMM Fusion can take what they're learning and the materials, help a few local businesses promote themselves, lift their google rankings and make some extra money - everybody wins.

    The one thing I can absolutely say is that MSMM Fusion customers are motivated and heaps of them are out there taking action which is ultimately the secret sauce of internet marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Iannotti
    Has anyone here purchased this and another Local Marketing Business with a high price tag and compared what you were given ?
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    I was thinking of investing in this I hear that it was pretty good. I do not really invest in something these days, as I do not have teh time, but have some back time this week and wonder if more people can post their views.
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    • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
      Update here: we're still reviewing MSMM and have some questions on Influence Engines (IE). If anyone can shed light here, it would be appreciated.


      1) Some companies with a large web presence rate very low with IE, in trials, not even showing Twitter and Facebook as linked, when in fact, they are. We've even experimented with using the "www" in the URL and not using it, the local phone versus the toll-free, etc. Regardless of profile, site shows at nearly non-existent when it has pretty high rank and has been around 10+ years with tons of links, etc. Running this wrong, perhaps?

      2) For a month #2 IE report, nearly all of the 5 priority tasks are the same as for the first IE report (same URL, company data, etc). Yet we had completed all 5 of those from month 1 in-house. Does it take awhile to be noted in the IE system?

      3) Very interested in detailed manual in print (not videos) in IE if there is something like this around. One issue we wonder about on this end is the phone number in IE profiles, for instance. In IE, there lacks a space, like:

      (614)555 - 1212 (ie. no space before the first "5" here). Could that affect results, since there is a space there online everywhere it searches?




      Questions pend with their support, too, so if anyone has info on this, that would be great. We take testing seriously and sure welcome any tests run by others with MSMM.

      Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
        OK, found out details (and by using Chat - -don't wait weeks for support, my recommendation) - they say up to 3 biz days, but initial replies ofter only ask for more details or a repeat of info, then don't reply still. Not complaining, just reporting our research on this end in case you would like faster info.

        OK update from their chat support:


        "...What I do know is that the merchant(s) you are describing exist as prospects inside the system. As such they are not given the ability to link a facebook or twitter page for review syndication, or seeing what the difference in reports is via section, etc.
        So as I understand it, Influence Engines will NOT work unless you have a paid subscriber, meaning you MUST pay Influence Engines to do the work. Period. You cannot do the tasks in-house or anything. And the reports pulled as trials to even give a prospect are useless, as they will not have all the info presented accurately (like Twitter, Facebook, etc that they may have already set up), so you'll look bad trying to prove yourself as an SEO expert.


        OK, open to feedback, could be wrong here, and happy to admit. This chat support person said, he has "... seen it work for hundreds of other merchants" ...so I'm hoping some of these people will jump on-board here to reply, too. Yes, it's wonderful that it may work, but it seems misleading to package it as a service we can do here in-house, when that's not true. And their support packages seem to point to using it yourself and / or with your own in-house virtual assistants, right? Or are others reading something different here?


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