I'm not using it yet. As I only purchased this last night. Half way through the videos and ebooks. To be honest it looks good. It focuses on using free methods to market. There is a lot of material which I have not seen before.
Johnny Andrews comes across as a stand up sort of a guy. Only letdown is that I have yet to receive the bonus offered by the affiliate that I bought this through. I will give him another 24 hours and then email him.
From what I have seen it is well worth the price.

Hi guys,

I just saw this product up there with some other famous products in the Clickbank marketplace..

It must be good considering a lot of people buy it..

Is it easy to implement?

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Hey! Just checked this out to see if anyone was talking about this thing.

Glad to hear a lot of folks like it! I actually spent a butt-load of time/effort
and energy getting that stuff out and into a clear format.

There was one question up there about "will it still work after 30 days when everybody is using it..."

That's actually a good one:

The core of MSS focuses on using free methods (for newbies so you don't get killed in bad adwords clicks) to market new products...

So as long as new products come out... you can do it and it works great.

I wouldn't suggest using it for stuff that's been popular for a long time (Rocket Spanish as an example) As far as that goes you'll have one hell of a time beating out seasoned affiliates. (there are much faster ways)

However, you don't have to stick to the ClickBank circle by any means.

Also, if you have bought, please make sure you check out that "Secret Siphon" section. I show you how I run PPC (and how you can also use it with the free stuff) to find better keywords than just trademarks.

But if you're totally new, just stick to the basics in Module 1, get your feet wet, and you'll be all good.

And yea, as ExtTrail2 mentioned, if you have a question you can always shoot it over. I love working with people who are serious and actually want to make headway in this business.

Johnny- I bought this before it was revised. Was I supposed to receive the updated version or does that require another round of betting? - Thx.

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If you like, you can follow my daily experiences with the MSS on the following blog to get more info about the product:
siphonmoney.blogspot.com

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I don't have Guru Assassin, but from what I've been told, MSS is for newbies who don't have a product of their own. GA is for those who do have a product.

I just got the money siphon system and from the looks of it no one is actually the system the right way. I mean with some of the tactics no one is using. I think the doors are still wide open for anyone to kill it.

1) IME, you need to read at least twice to understand system clearly...
2) Thats very refreshing, cuz im tired of paying over and over and over again to have someone show me those for the millionth time...

Sounds like this ones a winner, im gonna check it out...

Thanks for all your info here, this has been a very helpful forum to help determine whether a product is worth buying

After reading all the Warrior feedback, I just took a leap and bought MSS. I'm going to try to get through the material as fast as I can (there's 31 files!!) and then I'll post a review in this thread.

^ Yep, I attended the webinar. Was a lot of fun - I learned a few tricks that I didn't know beforehand, and Jonny as usual was quite hilarious/insane

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Wow clumein2 you really got bent out of shape over something pretty insignificant.

Who cares if Jonny doesn't talk like everyone else or does upsells? That's just how he is and how he chooses to do business. And it obviously works for him. I hate using the term but to each his own is perfect for this situation.

What is the money siphon system ? Is it the oposit of the reverse funnel system ? Sorry I'm new at this ...

i just checked out his money siphon system 2.0.. not much different than what he released last sept. very newbie friendly.

but my one take away was a website he mentioned that i previously had no knowledge of.

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Hi Johny,
I have received an email from Mike Filsaime about your new product launch on Money Siphon System.

I have take a look at your salesletter and think for awhile about what kinds of information are you selling. I have read all the reviews on the post have no clue what kind of information are your selling.

In my opinion, information products helps a marketer understand the basics of marketing and shows a specific strategy in marketing certain products and services. Be it an affiliate product or selling personal product.

I have seen Jeff Johnson new membership product launch and he is basically covering the basics and concepts about using Web 2.0 properties to dominate Google.

ClickBank Quantum was launched few days ago, that is one high end product and it seems to be very popular and in great demand. And the product is focusing on PPC, CPA offers and CPM.

So my question is can you explain what is the difference between your products and the above 2 products mentioned?

The reason why I ask as I feel that people has to understand that reading info products and watching videos does not help a person to make money online, it is when someone can provide the tools and service to help that person to get started, to have a marketing system up and running that speed up the chances of success faster.

Nobody wants to start as a complete newbie in this business. Niches-in-a-box is one membership that provides this kind of incredible value to their members.

I have seen a lot of product and membership launches that sells information products but did not provide the tools and service to help their members to have a website up and running. Be it, if it is a online business or offline business, in order to have a long term business, there must have a system in the business.

The system whereby can generates residual income to the business owner in auto pilot. Yes, there is indeed, different kinds of method of making money online, but let's be truthful here, it is only a business system that will outranks the rest of the businesses and can provide a long term residual income for that individual person.

The marketing system that I am talking about is the list building system. It is not new and neither old. If a marketer truly wants to help newbies to get started, first, we need to tell the truth, not half truth.

Most marketers like to say in their salesletters about the half truth but not entirely the truth. In most of the sales page, there is a few keywords that seems to appear over and over again. "This system works" "No B.S" "Guranteed to make money if you apply this system" "Life changing product".

So as a marketer, one has to focus on providing value and tell the truth to get the person to understand, what is it that one cannot afford not to do to get started in internet marketing.

So back to my question, can you explain what is the difference between your products and the above 2 products mentioned?

I hope my words does not offended you as I want to uncover the mysteries and myth here.

Looking forward to receive your reply.

Winson

Two things immediately hit me as "Hmmm."

1st: The ad page for MSS says Andrews earned over $242,078.44. What does that mean? Did he earn $242,078.45? What's the point of using a dollar amount down to the exact penny, and then claim you made more? Makes no sense. Comes across as the usual attempt to persuade with numbers, but Andrews was so intent on selling with braggadocio, he lost track of the meaning.

2nd: On the sales/ad page, there are a ton of testimonials. But most are flat, generic comments that say, "yeah, it works." Andrews himself is one of the very few who make any specific comment about whether they made the grandios profits. Wonder why some of those people aren't commenting here.

Call me a dreamkiller, but 99% of the time, my heart believes all these so-called gurus are selling systems and that's how they are making money. Whether the system works or not is immaterial. It's selling the system that is the plan. And then the latest gotcha is to dump so much useless stuff into the package that the buyer feels like they got $77 worth of stuff even if they didn't make any money with it. After all, it's free for the marketer to send it. Just a bunch of videos and ebooks.

My last 5 cents. When someone finds something that works like magic to bring in money online, he'she is not going to rush out and sell it to the masses UNLESS they leave out critical sections of the success plan so it cannot be duplicated OR they sell the system for a ton of money - which is what a real workable system would be worth.

One final thought, I know marketers love the 55 mile long sales page. But when I see one, my antennae go up to the highest degree of speculation. It's probably all fluff.

I love that Jonny is doing something that most other marketers aren't willing to do: offer a trial period. You can test out his product for $4.95, people!

I'm sure you can find that in the cracks of your couch. Get it and read the pdf's and watch the videos. If you don't like it then cancel...and you are out of $4.95 and come away with at least a few new ideas.

As far as upselling goes, this is just classic marketing. Yes, it is to make the seller more money, but a lot of people will also get a great need and help out of these upsells. If they aren't for you, then don't whine and cry because ultimately you can NOT take them up on the upsells. Did you hear that? YOU have the choice. It's not like he is forcing you to pull money from your bank account.

Rather than coming on here and bashing the sales page and sales processes of a product, how about actually giving a REVIEW of the product? That is ultimately what people on this part of the forum are looking for.

cscarpero, Woody Crenshaw

You dudes rock!

Anyway, sorry for the late response... I've been
all cooped up answering questions for that crazy
"elite" group of people who actually put into action
the products in which they invest...

For those asking if Money Siphon really "works"
I'm not sure if you saw the guy who made like 20K...

I know anything under 50.6 BILLION in 85 seconds
isn't really worth talking about... but us info
Product publishers just have to make due with
what we have

On the other hand.. and this isn't about me
tooting my own horn...

...But maybe, just maybe there's a reason I hired a
full time guy to sit around and implement MY OWN
products for me in multiple markets...

One potential answer to that is I'm a HUGE bleeding heart
who feels the need to fling copious wads of cash willy-nilly
to any who need a "job"...

The other answer... um... that one I'll let you stew on for
a while.

Jonny

PS: acsmith, dude, I JUST read that thingy about you and me
on Twitter. I don't run my own Twitter account!

I let an affiliate set it up and since then I've had
to pull back and start a totally new one which I
still can't seem to find the time to check.

So if you were dissed, it was not by me personally!

That's not how I operate.

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I took the trial and I was very dissapointed. It took nearly 2 days to download everything so I was expecting something really good here.

The videos were really painful to watch. It was like this is clicbank, this is a gravity score, this is joint venture forum, this a squidoo lens etc etc and on and on it went.

Fine if your completely new and know zero about IM other wise you will be bored rigid.

The information in MSS is very generalised and more of an overview of techniques with the exception of the PPC siphon.

I was really dissapointed that the MSS did not go into detail on methods or techniques for creating projetcs.

Now this is a WARNING for anybody thinking of trying this. The trial was extremely difficult to cancel and I think this is a really bad way of doing business Johnny.

Compared to something like the SE Nuke trial where you just go into your Pay Pal and just cancel your trial, MSS was a nightmare.

On the 4th day I requested a refund through the help desk and on the 5th day I read a mail that said I must do it through clickbank which was fine, however Clickbank said they would pass that on to the merchant which would take x amount of days to process and then once they got the request it would take another x amount of days to cancel, by that time we would have gone well past the trial. I sent a very stern email to support again requesting they cancel immediately and wondering what was the point in all this when I originally contaced the merchant who told me to go to Clickbank who would then send my request to the merchant ?

In the end I just cancelled my credit card . Yes the $4.95 trial is too good to be true so beware.

Dave

Thanks a lot guys for these tips

Is this program available worldwide? I'm from Indonesia btw.

I'm checking out this thread as much as possible about MSS. One thing I've noted so far that I'm impressed with is that the owner of the product actually talks to you on this forum.

Folks, one thing I've learned in the past year of IM is that the customer service you receive from the creator of the product is a tell-tale sign of his interest in your success. I've had gurus come out and downright call me on the phone which was awesome. That time I was so new I couldn't tell the difference from the left side and right side of internet marketing and I was still confused.

After fumbling for a year and burning my britches, I have a better concept of all the different methods that are out there and a stronger grasp of what to look for.

Some creators may talk to you via an eBook or a video, but when you get to their "so-called" customer service, they never answer or give you very obscure answers. That's when you have to start watching your back because they could be a scammer, but it seems like Jonny will frankly answer your questions any time. So that's a good thing.

The upsell thing--I've seen it. No need to worry. It's just part of business. You can always skip it if you're not interested, but it's a way to get new people with new products noticed. One day some of you will be creating your own products and would love to joint venture with a well known source, saving you time and advertising dollars.

Yes Jonny answers emails. Imagine that.

Wow! Ooodles of activity! Good times indeed

Bemore, thanks for that totally sweet write up!

Anyway, yea, I try to help folks out when I can.

Obviously things have become crazy (when you break
the 10 - 15K list mark) it's virtually impossible to
work 1-on-1 with everybody... and I think I'm over
60K now.

That's why I hired a staff!

Such is the way of business... when something
grows beyond the bounds of one person, that person
must then put systems + other people in place to
continue the flow.

Seriously. I had to redirect ALL my response emails
through a different address because I now receive over
500+ per day.

NOBODY can take care of that. So now everybody who
emails is given very specific instructions on how to contact
myself and my staff along with a FAQ.

The system works like a charm!

But more to the point... people who want
refunds get them... like everybody has said:

It a freaking ClickBank product!!!

My customer service is solid and I keep making
it better by updating my employees training and
trying to keep tabs on the majority of what's being
asked...

I even take care of some tickets myself.

Final Note: I'm launching a totally new blog and
if anyone wants to see what this stuff is about
before buying, I'll be posting a direct link in a
few days.

Monday I'm thinking.

Just did a 3 part video series on a totally sweet
business model you'll really like.

Oh yea, and the new blog graphics are beyond
cool... you'll see what I mean when I post next week.

Until them, I'm off to my first vacation in around 5-6 years!

Wish me luck.

No really. I actually don't know how to relax anymore

Jonny

Question for Jonny Andrews:

I just went to purchase my $4.95 trial. It went to clickbank, and I paid via PayPal (I took screenshots at each step). Clickbank took my money, and I was forwarded to a new page (asking me if I wanted to buy the upsell)... and something happened to the browser. Now I have no way to get in to the program... I have two email confirmations with links, but they don't do anything for me... the best I have managed to find is a login screen with username and password fields... but I don't have a username or password!

I went to the "forgot my password" page, and tried the email address I used on signing up, and it says it does not recognize that address. I then tried the address that is on my paypal account, and it says it sent me my password in an email... I have done this twice now, it has been hours, and I do not have any new emails in that account.

So what the hell am I supposed to do? I don't have a customer support number or address, or anything else. Just my clickbank and paypal receipts.

Well I saw the $4.95 multiple times, and I didn't see the full price, so I scanned up and down to try and find another price, but never did see it. So it is not displayed very clearly. Practices like this always make me think twice about doing business with a vendor.

Before you make an unfounded accusation, maybe you should actually read instead of scan. Otherwise you just kinda look foolish.

I recommend having a look at the cb before going with it!

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hola Jonny,
Is Money Siphon System still available?
I purchase the program several years ago, but the site does not seem to be available...
is there any resource or different site we can access for our purchase, in this current days?