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Hi all,

Did some of you do a beta-test on Brad Callens new tool; SEO-LinkVine.


Any comments on this product ?

Thanks, BR LASSE
#linkvine #seo
  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    I'd like some info too. As far as I can see, it's a clone of AMA (Article Marketing Automation).

    No bad thing if it is as AMA seems to me to have lost steam. It never really recovered from removing the right to search by keyword IMHO and I found far too many spammy articles placed in the wrong categories.

    I'm trying out the UAW Wizard at the moment but not getting many articles sent through. If you're not in the IM niche, it's hard to find good content this way.

    Pearson



    Nb AMA and My Article Network mentioned by Dexx are the same thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    I was able to get early access into the program as I wanted to start seriously looking at article marketing as a way to boost offline client websites to the first page of Google at a more reliable/easy rate.

    I signed up with UAW and MyArticleNetwork, and then after hammering Brad with questions, was able to also gain access to SEO Linkvine before the "official" opening (mind you a limited amount of users had already been able to pay to access it early also)

    Essentially Brad took what he liked and found powerful in the other networks (as far as features), but also added the features he thought were horribly absent (the built in keyword rank tracking system etc. are amazing) and put them into work with his OWN private network community of websites (not literally just sites he owns, but other blgo sites etc. that aren't part of the MAN/UAW network)

    So far I'm already seeing my articles showing up in Google and its only been a couple days, so that's great in my eyes as this gave me an early head start even vs the MAN and UAW articles.

    I can see the confusion being the 10,000+ blog network comparison, making everyone think they are the same network, but from what I can tell they are not...or at least Google seems to be finding SEOLV articles pretty fast (as I wrote similar articles for the other sites)

    All in all I'd have to rank them:

    1) SEO Linkvine
    2) Unique Article Wizard
    3) MAN

    and POSSIBLY ArticleRank in there, but I haven't fully tested it out yet, so I can't really comment.

    Hope that helps!

    ~Dexx
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  • Profile picture of the author vitavee
    Like Dexx I also got early access to SLV.

    I'm a self confessed blog network geek, I think I have tried pretty much all of them.

    I have SLV for about 2 weeks now and I have submitted articles every single day (well actually not during the week ends)

    Before I give you my impressions look at MY stats (screenshot taken from the members area)


    Yes... that's about 3,000 blogs publishing my articles and 1,000+ are still pending for approval.

    That's really good, especially knowing that more blogs will be added to the system when it will go live, each member will have the possibility to submit their own blogs to get fresh content.

    I personally only use SLV to get backlinks so this is mainly what I have played with during those 2 weeks.

    In my articles (that are all spinnable) I have added at least 1 non spinnable sentence, just to be able to find where they would be posted.

    I have been very happy to see the quality of the blogs in the network - I have several PR2, PR3 or even PR4 backlinks.

    With time I suppose the network is going to become even stronger.

    It's very easy to submit articles, I prefer it over the other networks, I find it faster. One feature that I liked is that we can select several categories at once by using check boxes while in other networks lile MAN you would have to submit several times the same article to select different categories.

    The stats are easy to read, we can see how many times each article has been published as well as having a general overview.

    As Dexx said there is also the rank checker that is very useful, so you don't have to go to google each time to check all your keywords/rankings.

    At the price it's going to launch I really think it is a wise investment - much more affordable than other networks and I find it better too!

    Vita Vee
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    thanks for the reviews guys, i am looking forward to this also. I am impressed by those tracking and stats features and the price looks very "civil" also. If my instincts are right this looks like it might become very good - early reviewers and testers in the beta seem to confirm this!
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  • Profile picture of the author remodeler
    This does look good especially with results from those stats. Does it have the ability to set the number of submissions per day like UAW? Also...I must have missed seeing it, but what is the monthly fee?
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    • Profile picture of the author vitavee
      Originally Posted by remodeler View Post

      This does look good especially with results from those stats. Does it have the ability to set the number of submissions per day like UAW? Also...I must have missed seeing it, but what is the monthly fee?
      Yes it does, it is the "Max requests per day" field:



      I have posted a non-hyped indepth review on my blog at euserreviews dot com with a lot of screenshots.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    james, articleranks is an industry leader? I dont know..but i had the impression its more a "smaller" system by one of our warriors? Make no mistake, i USE it and i love it..its very good. Just didnt know its already considered industry leading...
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  • Profile picture of the author excoder01
    I'm using this service as an autoblog on one of my website -- I only selected 'Sprituality' and I got some unrelated blog posts...like Piano lessons???
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    • Profile picture of the author Dexx
      Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

      I'm using this service as an autoblog on one of my website -- I only selected 'Sprituality' and I got some unrelated blog posts...like Piano lessons???
      Like any blog network, some people will select tags unrelated to the content just to get mass distribution, this is why I set my blogs (that receive content) to manual approval.

      If you are just looking for content tho, and don't want to have to approve every post that comes in, then you can just set it to auto-accept and delete ones that come in that don't fit.

      ~Dexx
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

      I'm using this service as an autoblog on one of my website -- I only selected 'Sprituality' and I got some unrelated blog posts...like Piano lessons???
      Hi. This is because we've not yet officially launched... Launch is the 27th. It will add hundreds of thousands of articles to the system.

      more articles = more related content to your site

      The content side of SEOLV will improve MAJORLY every single day after we launch Tuesday. That part is the easy part.

      Brad
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      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

        Hi. This is because we've not yet officially launched... Launch is the 27th. It will add hundreds of thousands of articles to the system.

        more articles = more related content to your site

        The content side of SEOLV will improve MAJORLY every single day after we launch Tuesday. That part is the easy part.

        Brad
        i want in now And then i want to outrank you for some of your own keywords
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    • Profile picture of the author mistyone
      Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

      I'm using this service as an autoblog on one of my website -- I only selected 'Sprituality' and I got some unrelated blog posts...like Piano lessons???
      I have found the same, receiving articles that aren't related to the topic selected. I am pleased I set them to be approved or I would have to be deleting quite a number of articles.

      I actually don't understand how these articles end up being selected to be published. I wondered if it is the doing of the people selecting which category they will be publishing their article in, not being careful or whether they are choosing a category to make sure they get more coverage, who knows, only conjecture on my part :p

      I am also a member of AMA and I would receive emails to tell me there were articles to be approved which were definitely more in topic but SEOLinkVine doesn't let you know that there are articles waiting for your approval. I have to remember to log in to see if there is anything waiting to be reviewed.
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Ok, 2 things to address here:

        1. Ben: The "sandbox" is essentially something that happens to websites that are link building in a way that doesn't appear natural. For example, to go back on the topic discussed earlier in this thread (i.e. is it better to get links from web 2.0 sites than from article marketing)
        - answer: No, it's not better. Reason being, it doesn't look natural if that is all you are doing. In all of my experience, it's not about the total number of links you get, but rather the consistency that you get those links. If you get 50 links on day 1, get 50 links on day 2, day 3, day 4, etc... AND switch up your anchor text constantly. Use anchor text in some links. Don't use anchor text in others. The goal is to keep things natural and the whole sandbox thing won't be anything to worry about. We actually have 65,000+ links to the site now. If you're only getting 2 links a day, it's going to take you years to rank highly for competitive keywords. Don't listen to whoever told you that :-)

        2. Misty: Regarding the articles that were off topic. Dexx and I already addresses that question in this thread. Please read through the entire thread again. We haven't launched SEOLinkVine yet... The articles you're seeing on your site are from beta users only. "The total number of articles added daily will increase by 1000x (probably much more than even that) after this Tuesday. More articles = more relevancy." Good suggestion about the email notification. I thought this was already in place, but I will double check tomorrow morning when I get into the office. Thanks! :-)

        Brad
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        • Profile picture of the author ben565
          Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

          Ok, 2 things to address here:

          1. Ben: The "sandbox" is essentially something that happens to websites that are link building in a way that doesn't appear natural. For example, to go back on the topic discussed earlier in this thread (i.e. is it better to get links from web 2.0 sites than from article marketing)
          - answer: No, it's not better. Reason being, it doesn't look natural if that is all you are doing. In all of my experience, it's not about the total number of links you get, but rather the consistency that you get those links. If you get 50 links on day 1, get 50 links on day 2, day 3, day 4, etc... AND switch up your anchor text constantly. Use anchor text in some links. Don't use anchor text in others. The goal is to keep things natural and the whole sandbox thing won't be anything to worry about. We actually have 65,000+ links to the site now. If you're only getting 2 links a day, it's going to take you years to rank highly for competitive keywords. Don't listen to whoever told you that :-)Brad
          Thanks for the detailed response,btw it was keith baxter who said to only send 2-3 backlinks daily for new sites.
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          • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
            Originally Posted by ben565 View Post

            Thanks for the detailed response,btw it was keith baxter who said to only send 2-3 backlinks daily for new sites.
            Keith is very smart and a friend of mine. He must have been referencing some specific example where that would have been the case. I know he gets more than 2 links a day.

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            • Profile picture of the author ntnsllc
              Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

              Keith is very smart and a friend of mine. He must have been referencing some specific example where that would have been the case. I know he gets more than 2 links a day.

              Brad
              Yeah, perhaps he was saying you should only generate a few blog comment or forum links per day...because if you used a bot to build 500 forum post links or blog comments in one day, you're likely to get sandboxed! For example, how many links do you think Gizmodo got the day they broke the next gen iphone story? Were they sandboxed? The probably got 100's or 1,000's of links all in 24 hours' time. Yet those links were from so many different sources, it looked natural, so they're not penalized. case closed.
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    • Profile picture of the author cindyt
      I too am using it to receive articles and the articles are not only non-related a lot of the time, the articles will be posted in more than one category on one site, creating duplicate posts
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Originally Posted by cindyt View Post

        I too am using it to receive articles and the articles are not only non-related a lot of the time, the articles will be posted in more than one category on one site, creating duplicate posts
        Hi Cindy, please read my previous posts regarding this and the new feature we're adding in the next couple of days. The off topic articles won't be a problem. You, as a blog owner will be able to request specific topics/articles to be written for you, and can specify how many you want written... An article writer will then accept the work and write your article for your site (and they would of course receive their backlinks inside the article)

        Thanks

        Brad
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    maybe someone tagged posts wrong? possible...
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  • Profile picture of the author LasseKohau
    Thanks for all your comments to this thread,

    BR LASSE
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexissalaam
      Hi Guys

      How is this comparable to link Dozer I understand that SEOLV has
      a blog network but doesnt google put more weight on 2.0 authority
      sites what I'm saying is quality over quantity I think Link dozer submits
      to 2.0 sites can somebody enlighten me on this.

      Alexis
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I can safely assume that LD is about 1000x harder to learn, its a BEAST and almost too much for me even.

    Having not seen SEOLV, but i am pretty sure it works like your typical blog network distribution, you submit articles, select categories, can SPIN them etc.... about 1000x more straight forward and easier to use than LD. I would really need to spend a month just learning how to use LD right.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexissalaam
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      I can safely assume that LD is about 1000x harder to learn, its a BEAST and almost too much for me even.

      Having not seen SEOLV, but i am pretty sure it works like your typical blog network distribution, you submit articles, select categories, can SPIN them etc.... about 1000x more straight forward and easier to use than LD. I would really need to spend a month just learning how to use LD right.
      Hey George

      I understand LD is harder to learn but the main question is all that quantity
      in SEOLV gonna serve you well compared to the Quality of LD or is the quality and quantity the same for both.

      Alexis
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  • Profile picture of the author John34
    Great review Vita, BTW many many articles you submitted in those 2 weeks?
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    • Profile picture of the author vitavee
      Originally Posted by John34 View Post

      Great review Vita, BTW many many articles you submitted in those 2 weeks?
      Thanks John.

      Are you talking about the small review I posted here or the in-depth one I published on my blog?

      Yes I submit a lot of articles I'm also using some other networks so it's really a lot of daily submissions.

      I'm just using 1 "Ultra Spinnable Article" per day but in the membership area of this service we can generate thousands of unique "Regular spin ready articles" from just 1 ultra spinnable one.

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      @pearsonbrown About the quality of the blogs - I have found many PR2 to PR4 blogs from the SLV network linking back to my pages.

      Of course there are also many PR0 blogs and also a lot of blogs with no PR at all (these are probably new domains).

      I have sent an email a few minutes ago to Brad with a good suggestion to automatically build backlinks from relevant content to ALL the blogs involved in the SLV network.

      I have good hope that Brad will integrate this, Brad your thoughs?

      Vita Vee
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  • Profile picture of the author pavionjsl
    The thing that sticks in my mind was the offer of a 1.00 to put a blog in the system. If a large % of blogs are in the system are owned by someone else, they could leave or just lose or stop taking care of the blog. Keeping links built , live and growing is the goal on the effort. If all the blogs are privately owned , that is one thing, but just getting articles for their sites and changing what they are doing later and scraping the content put into a blog network concern me.
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    We have other threads about LD where it would be more appropriate for you to post this.

    However, don't confuse 'complicated, confused and difficult to learn' with 'quality'. In another thread, you'll find an LD user complaining about the low quality of some of the blog posts within the LD system. There seems to be the same complaint made of all these systems and it would be interesting to hear how Brad intends to maintain quality posts within his system.

    Pearson
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexissalaam
      Originally Posted by pearsonbrown View Post

      We have other threads about LD where it would be more appropriate for you to post this.

      However, don't confuse 'complicated, confused and difficult to learn' with 'quality'. In another thread, you'll find an LD user complaining about the low quality of some of the blog posts within the LD system. There seems to be the same complaint made of all these systems and it would be interesting to hear how Brad intends to maintain quality posts within his system.

      Pearson
      Thanks Pearson

      But I'm not talking about the quality of the post I'm talking
      about the quality of the sites VS 2.0 sites which LD seems
      to be doing more of.

      Alexis
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Hi Alexis, which would you rather have? 50 links from the same 2.0 website OR 50 links from 50 different sites owned by different people? My answer is, I'd rather have BOTH... but if I had to choose 1, in general I'd MUCH rather have 50 unique IP links.

        The problem with only 2.0 submitting is over time it doesn't look natural at all to Google. they see you have 20,000 links all from the same 50, 2.0 websites...

        The goal is to make things look as natural as possible.

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        • Profile picture of the author Alexissalaam
          Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

          Hi Alexis, which would you rather have? 50 links from the same 2.0 website OR 50 links from 50 different sites owned by different people? My answer is, I'd rather have BOTH... but if I had to choose 1, in general I'd MUCH rather have 50 unique IP links.

          The problem with only 2.0 submitting is over time it doesn't look natural at all to Google. they see you have 20,000 links all from the same 50, 2.0 websites...

          The goal is to make things look as natural as possible.

          Brad
          Hi Brad

          straight from the man himself, I do agree with you I'd rather have both but your point is taken. I knew it's hard to control every bodies post to make sure you get good quality, but I'm starting to make a few bucs now and I just want to make sure I spend the money wisely.

          Thanks for getting back to me.

          Alexis
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          • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
            Hey Alexis, no problem. Once you start getting higher rankings, which will lead to more money in your pocket, I'd highly suggest on using all of the article syndication networks, as well as well... basically all of the various ways to get backlinks. The more variation you can have, the better. That's the best way to make things appear completely natural. Don't rely on just one :-)

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            • Profile picture of the author Alexissalaam
              Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

              Hey Alexis, no problem. Once you start getting higher rankings, which will lead to more money in your pocket, I'd highly suggest on using all of the article syndication networks, as well as well... basically all of the various ways to get backlinks. The more variation you can have, the better. That's the best way to make things appear completely natural. Don't rely on just one :-)

              Brad
              Hi Brad

              What are some of the article syndication networks a small list
              would be great.

              Alexis
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              • Profile picture of the author TiffanyB
                I may be missing on the website or maybe it hasn't been revealed yet, but does anyone know what the membership cost to SEOLinkvine is every month?
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                • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                  Originally Posted by TiffanyB View Post

                  I may be missing on the website or maybe it hasn't been revealed yet, but does anyone know what the membership cost to SEOLinkvine is every month?
                  According to the listing in CBEngine, it's going to be $47 a month.
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                  • Profile picture of the author ben565
                    In the seovine video 28 900 backlinks were sent over 3 months,how are you not getting sandboxed by google?

                    i was told that you should never send anymore than 2-4 backlinks per day
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Brad,

    question:

    Is this a fixed network with a set number of blogs or are the blogs by the users themselves (therefore dynamic)?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dexx
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Brad,

      question:

      Is this a fixed network with a set number of blogs or are the blogs by the users themselves (therefore dynamic)?
      Dynamic, as new users join up and add their blogs, there will be more blogs to post content on (in regards to the related niches they represent)
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    Ben, the big thing is consistency if you want to avoid the Sandbox.

    Most people, when they first get started, will blast out 100+ links to site within the first 2 days...and then send 3-5 backlinks a day after that...

    Which seems suspicious to Google!

    So if you don't think you can maintain a constant stream of links, then its best to keep it looking normal and very minimal.

    Now if you can do, like Brad did, and submit articles frequently so that a constant stream of new backlinks (with varying anchor keywords) keep flowing to the site, then it looks like the site is "popular" and "liked" by Google and they won't hate it.

    Otherwise every news-related issue would be an instant sandbox and nobody would use Google (i.e. Michael Jackson's death had the whole internet spiking...but main of the news site articles were being linked to for days/weeks to come as they kept the interest of the public)

    Make sense?

    ~Dexx
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    Just wanted to chip in on the review:

    I was glad that I'm in the beta version. I did a test of Brad's system where I am reviving a website that is somewhere in page 3 rankings.

    It has been in page 3 or 4 for 5-6 months and I did nothing else to it.

    I changed the website from blog to pure HTML page, submitted a spinned article to SEO Link Vine ONLY. No other backlinks activities.

    Started the test on 19 April 2010, I had 23 articles published so far, and this website is currently sitting at #10 place.

    A big jump from 30+ position.

    Conclusion? It's good, go get it!
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  • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
    Hey Brad, How much is SEO Linkvine going to cost?
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Hey, $47/month during launch. And likely $97+/month after launch. I wanted to keep the price really low for the initial launch to not limit who could afford it. After launch, the price will likely increase to slow down the number of new users, so we can focus on adding current user feature requests etc. quickly.

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  • Profile picture of the author Zeb
    Brad,

    At $47 it seems like a good bargain. Count me in. Btw how long is the launch price going to last?

    Oh and i hope that you will monitor sites that are submitted into the network to maintain the quality of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
    $47p/m to gain access to another well controlled network combined
    with a back end interface with stats, spinning and a cherry on the top
    in the form of what appears to be an integrated Market Sam lite rank checker.

    Pretty much no brainer territory really at this money.

    I'll be having a good play and will report back.
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    • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
      Having watched all 3 videos SEOLV certainly looks impressive enough. I appreciate it has a spinner in it Brad, but can we import spun article templates we have created using the best spinner for example?

      I'm assuming as long as we have { | } in the right places we're good to go?

      Phil
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

        Having watched all 3 videos SEOLV certainly looks impressive enough. I appreciate it has a spinner in it Brad, but can we import spun article templates we have created using the best spinner for example?

        I'm assuming as long as we have { | } in the right places we're good to go?

        Phil
        Can one of you guys email send me a sample "best spinner" article and I'll let you know. My guess is yes, as we've tried to integrate other spinners to be accepted, but I don't know without talking to my developers tomorrow morning. If not, I'm sure we could make it happen. Thanks.

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        • Profile picture of the author digsea
          Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

          Can one of you guys email send me a sample "best spinner" article and I'll let you know. My guess is yes, as we've tried to integrate other spinners to be accepted, but I don't know without talking to my developers tomorrow morning. If not, I'm sure we could make it happen. Thanks.

          Brad

          very impressed with SE0LinkVine.com and Brad's commitment to improving it frequently. I've been using it for just over 2 weeks now. I would like to be able to import my spun articles from Rapid Rewriter. It doesn't seem to accept them properly even though it uses the { | [ symbols?
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  • Profile picture of the author buckapple
    Hi,

    My question also about importing "the best spinner".

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    • Profile picture of the author Dexx
      Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

      Having watched all 3 videos SEOLV certainly looks impressive enough. I appreciate it has a spinner in it Brad, but can we import spun article templates we have created using the best spinner for example?

      I'm assuming as long as we have { | } in the right places we're good to go?

      Phil
      Originally Posted by buckapple View Post

      Hi,

      My question also about importing "the best spinner".

      Gary
      I use TBS and yes it does work with SEOLV (just get the uniqueness up prior to submission)

      ~Dexx
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    TBS {utilizes|uses|produces} {standard|normal} jet spinner syntax.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Faber
    Brad,
    It looks pretty good to me too. Count me in. Link building by hand is just too tedious, although I'll continue to do it, this would sure speed things up. Launch price seems right too.

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  • Profile picture of the author ProfitCoach
    It looks like SEOLV will be a good tool/network... if you use it.

    Regarding spinning... does it really matter other than being able to vary your anchor text and/or url? For instance, even with a large amount of spinning done to an article will version 1 be much different than version 2 because won't version 2 simply be 99% the same as version 1 because it only spins the first spin item it comes to?

    Brad, maybe this is a feature that could be implemented to take it to the next level in SEOLV... come up with a way to spin one article into a group of articles that are a minimum % different from each other? For example... 1000 versions are created from a spin and 38 articles are a minimum 68% different from each other?

    Maybe this is just WAY too advanced of an idea or not even necessary... I don't know.

    But there is Copyscape so I'm sure a comparison engine of some sort could be built that could pull this off. I guess the process would take version 1 and find the next version that will be the minimum percentage different (let's say it's a variable and say 68%) that happens to be version 38... then it continues to find the next version that is at least 68% different than version 38 and when it does it also double checks the minimum difference with version 1 as well... and so on and so on until you get X amount of articles that are INDEED different and subsequently submitted to the network.

    It's late, my brain hurt thinking about and typing out that solution... I'm out!

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    • Profile picture of the author vitavee
      Originally Posted by ProfitCoach View Post

      Regarding spinning... does it really matter other than being able to vary your anchor text and/or url? For instance, even with a large amount of spinning done to an article will version 1 be much different than version 2 because won't version 2 simply be 99% the same as version 1 because it only spins the first spin item it comes to?
      Yes it does matter but it depends on how you spin your articles.

      I don't want to go off topic since this thread is about SEOLinkVine and not spinning but spinning is a very important part of getting the most out of any submission tool.

      Just a few things you have to keep in mind when you prepare your articles for submission:

      From my testings the 30% minimum level that is often recommended is NOT enough anymore.

      You should aim to have at least 50% uniqueness. Search engines are getting smarter and can spot spun content very easily if you only replace words with synonyms.

      For example:
      I have {bought|found|purchased} {some good|very good|excellent|tasty} {fruits|apples|oranges|vegetables|potatoes} {today|yesterday|this morning}.
      An article spun that way is not going to give any good result for several reasons:

      1/ The resulting articles will have the exact same number of sentences
      2/ Each sentence will have the exact same meaning (synonyms/related terms are known by the search engines)
      3/ Each sentence will have approximately the same number of words

      It's very easy to detect this, even for a bad programmer And this is how the majority of people is doing it (and the reason why so many say that spinning article doesn't work).

      Now you have to spin at the sentence level + at the paragraph level to get long lasting results.

      Actually the further you go from the individual words for your spinning the more powerful it is.

      Look:

      If you spin by words, the overall structure of the article is exactly the same, same sentences except synonyms/related terms that are easy to detect.

      If you spin by sentences, the structure of the article is still the same but the length of the sentences become different, and we're not using synonyms that are so easy to detect, instead we reformulate the meaning of the sentence and the grammatical structure of the sentence itself is different. Spinning by sentence is > spinning words.

      If you spin by paragraphs, the structure of the article becomes different - it's becoming very difficult for a programmer to find that both variations of a same paragraph are similar. The number of sentences is different, the organisation of the sentences is different.

      If you spin by articles, you have the best uniqueness level and this is exactly like writing different articles. This is why I said the further you go from the individual words the more unique it is.

      Originally Posted by ProfitCoach View Post

      Brad, maybe this is a feature that could be implemented to take it to the next level in SEOLV... come up with a way to spin one article into a group of articles that are a minimum % different from each other? For example... 1000 versions are created from a spin and 38 articles are a minimum 68% different from each other?

      Maybe this is just WAY too advanced of an idea or not even necessary... I don't know.
      Hey John, that's an excellent idea! That would be awesome if Brad could have this integrated so the most unique versions would be submitted first to the network.

      I would love it
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      • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
        Originally Posted by vitavee View Post

        Yes it does matter but it depends on how you spin your articles.
        Good post VV.

        "G" getting smarter , you have to think they are going to catch up in a big way with basic spinning in the not to distant future.
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        • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
          Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

          I can safely assume that LD is about 1000x harder to learn, its a BEAST and almost too much for me even.

          Having not seen SEOLV, but i am pretty sure it works like your typical blog network distribution, you submit articles, select categories, can SPIN them etc.... about 1000x more straight forward and easier to use than LD. I would really need to spend a month just learning how to use LD right.

          I agree with you George! I left LD after 2 days of playing around, a powerful spinning system, even more advanced than SEOLinkVine, but too much work and too hard to outsource!

          Plus $97 / month which Brad provide similar or better service here, I think SEOLinkVine sure worth the money.


          Originally Posted by vitavee View Post

          Thanks John.

          @pearsonbrown About the quality of the blogs - I have found many PR2 to PR4 blogs from the SLV network linking back to my pages.

          Of course there are also many PR0 blogs and also a lot of blogs with no PR at all (these are probably new domains).

          I have sent an email a few minutes ago to Brad with a good suggestion to automatically build backlinks from relevant content to ALL the blogs involved in the SLV network.

          I have good hope that Brad will integrate this, Brad your thoughs?

          Vita Vee

          That's a good indication that Brad is monitoring those blogs and constantly adding more private sites to increase the quality of blogs!

          Your suggestion of adding more auto backlinks is great, if Brad do that to all blogs he owned, should greatly increase the backlink value! I do wish Brad will continue to increase backlinks to the network, that would give each link more juice!

          I got access to SEOLinkVine a week before, and I love this new network; I am confidence with Brad himself, that's why I'm promoting SEOLinkVine too, hopefully in a week or two we will continue to receive more positive feedback from the users!

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        • Profile picture of the author wrays
          Many times, I find myself very lazy to spin my article but after reading Simon's post, I think I should start spinning again...
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          • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
            Originally Posted by wrays View Post

            Many times, I find myself very lazy to spin my article but after reading Simon's post, I think I should start spinning again...
            I use TBS, ok, it takes a while, but i spin almost EVERY word now before i submit. Its tedious but worth it, simply tab-tab-tab til you are trough, usually spin them to 300% unique

            >>
            The title of the article is 1050% rewritten, and the body is 341% rewritten.
            This preview of your article consists of 599 words.

            >>


            The amazing thing is, every version is really quite readable.
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            • Profile picture of the author wrays
              Hi George, what is TBS?
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              • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
                Originally Posted by wrays View Post

                Hi George, what is TBS?
                The Best Spinner

                Horribly good.
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                • Profile picture of the author vitavee
                  Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

                  Good post VV.

                  "G" getting smarter , you have to think they are going to catch up in a big way with basic spinning in the not to distant future.
                  Thanks Simon

                  Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

                  The Best Spinner

                  Horribly good.
                  For those who don't want to invest in the "The Best Spinner" I have recorded a short video (about 2 minutes and a half) to show how the integrated content spinner in SEOLinkVine works (I apologize for my strong French accent ):


                  It's just word spinning though, no software can spin for you at the sentence and even less at the paragraph level, but it's a nice added feature anyway.

                  Vita Vee
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                  • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
                    Originally Posted by vitavee View Post

                    Thanks Simon



                    For those who don't want to invest in the "The Best Spinner" I have recorded a short video (about 2 minutes and a half) to show how the integrated content spinner in SEOLinkVine works (I apologize for my strong French accent ):

                    YouTube - SEOLinkVine - Content Spinner

                    It's just word spinning though, no software can spin for you at the sentence and even less at the paragraph level, but it's a nice added feature anyway.

                    Vita Vee
                    Cheers,

                    It's evidently a pretty decent built in spinner, not quite on par with the user generated insane coolness of TBS but solid , none the less. Will do the job nicely for most folks and it's free.
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      • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
        Brad - Does your system handle nested spinning, such as:

        {I really {despise|hate} cats|I truly {love|want to play with} {dogs|canines } }

        If yes, how many levels deep will it spin?
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        • Profile picture of the author vitavee
          Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

          Brad - Does your system handle nested spinning, such as:

          {I really {despise|hate} cats|I truly {love|want to play with} {dogs|canines } }

          If yes, how many levels deep will it spin?
          Yes it does. I have submitted articles that had 2 spinning levels.

          Something like { { A1|A2|A3}|{B1|B2|B3 } }

          I have just tried with 4 levels and it seems that the variations at level 3 and level 4 are never picked.

          I don't know if it's a bug or if it is limited to 2 levels though.

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        • Profile picture of the author sarahstaar
          I had 35 sites baned/deindexed by google after using brute force seo EVO2, so i am looking for something new.

          SEO Link vine looks good. What is the OTO?


          Anyone here had any solid results or first page listings as a result of using SEO Linkvine?
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          • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
            Originally Posted by sarahstaar View Post

            I had 35 sites baned/deindexed by google after using brute force seo EVO2, so i am looking for something new.
            Really? Not to change topics, but I was looking at EVO2 on Friday. Why do you think you got banned? Is EVO overly aggressive or were you personally to aggressive using it (no offense)?
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
              Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

              Really? Not to change topics, but I was looking at EVO2 on Friday. Why do you think you got banned? Is EVO overly aggressive or were you personally to aggressive using it (no offense)?
              That's sort of funny, because many (including me) consider it pretty weak. none of the truly automated systems out there work, IMHO. They are almost universally too buggy, and pretty much never deliver as promised. Then again, you can sure make a boatload as an affiliate of EVO, lol.
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            • Profile picture of the author sarahstaar
              Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

              Really? Not to change topics, but I was looking at EVO2 on Friday. Why do you think you got banned? Is EVO overly aggressive or were you personally to aggressive using it (no offense)?

              EVO2 works quite well for old sites over 1 year old, i had some good results.

              I put up 40 new adsense sites all with 5 - 10 pages of unique content, not trash.

              All sites had the
              keyword in the domain name
              privacy policy, contact us, about us pages
              main keyword only had 10,000 competition

              after my first run with evo on these sites a lot of them were not in the top 100 in Google, I asked support about this and they said i had to run the software every 3 to 4 days.

              So i did this for 3 months then one day 35 of the sites were de indexed!!

              I know this was overly aggressive but i was only doing what support told me to do...

              I am going to sign up to linkvine today...
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              • Profile picture of the author sarahstaar
                Originally Posted by jamestan81 View Post

                I have similar experiences and I think your sites are being SANDBOXED, not deindexed...they will come back "someday" :rolleyes:

                Web2.0 profiles are very POWERFUL as they can rank or drown your webpages easily...

                The key is to do it consistently spreading a small number of links every few days..

                I have many webpages being sandbox due to web2.0 profiles backlinks but they come back stronger when I continue building backlinks and varying the anchor text..

                Now I am very careful when comes to web2.0 profiles backlinks...The key is consistency..
                i don't think they are sandboxed.

                if i do a search site:www. mysite.com no sites are returned in Google.
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                • Profile picture of the author mrizos
                  Hi Brad. A few "pre-buying" questions:

                  - Do you have an approx count on the number of blogs now?
                  - Are the subjects diversified...(not all "losing weight" blogs).
                  - What's the minimal word count?
                  - Are there any benefits (besides content) to submitting a blog to the network (I've got dozens)?

                  Thanks Brad.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
                    Originally Posted by mrizos View Post

                    Hi Brad. A few "pre-buying" questions:

                    - Do you have an approx count on the number of blogs now?
                    - Are the subjects diversified...(not all "losing weight" blogs).
                    - What's the minimal word count?
                    - Are there any benefits (besides content) to submitting a blog to the network (I've got dozens)?

                    Thanks Brad.
                    Hey, sure thing :-)

                    1. As of right this very second there are 11,132 (edit: I take that back. There are 11,132 "Wordpress" blogs. I forgot to count the other sites like Joomla etc, which I'm guessing is somewhere in the neighborhood of 4,500) blogs in the network. Next week we'll be starting a small piece of a major initiative to hopefully double this in a month's time. (James: Great idea about the dynamic number on the homepage showing the total blog count. I'm adding that to my long list of "to do's" for SEOLV)

                    2. Yeah, there's a good mix of all types of blogs. We don't really have control over which topics are amongst the blogs. It all depends on who registers for the free content. As time goes by, things will only get better for both sides of SEOLV.

                    3. I believe 300. I typically keep mine around 550 words and never below 500.

                    4. Starting next week, likely/hopefully Tuesday, yes, there will be a major benefit. That's about all I can say for now about that though.

                    Hope that helps! Have a nice Sunday.

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                    • Profile picture of the author mrizos
                      Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

                      Hey, sure thing :-)

                      1. As of right this very second there are 11,132 blogs in the network. Next week we'll be starting a small piece of a major initiative to hopefully double this in a month's time. (James: Great idea about the dynamic number on the homepage showing the total blog count. I'm adding that to my long list of "to do's" for SEOLV)

                      2. Yeah, there's a good mix of all types of blogs. We don't really have control over which topics are amongst the blogs. It all depends on who registers for the free content. As time goes by, things will only get better for both sides of SEOLV.

                      3. I believe 300. I typically keep mine around 550 words and never below 500.

                      4. Starting next week, likely/hopefully Tuesday, yes, there will be a major benefit. That's about all I can say for now about that though.

                      Hope that helps! Have a nice Sunday.

                      Brad
                      Thanks Brad, great info there. I forgot to ask my main question...srry:

                      Can our anchored text links be anywhere in the article?

                      I usually just place 2 anchored phrases (that have nothing to do with the article content) at the bottom of the article.

                      I rarely promote what the article is about...just trying to get some links.

                      Is that OK with you guys?
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                      • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
                        Originally Posted by mrizos View Post

                        Thanks Brad, great info there. I forgot to ask my main question...srry:

                        Can our anchored text links be anywhere in the article?

                        I usually just place 2 anchored phrases (that have nothing to do with the article content) at the bottom of the article.

                        I rarely promote what the article is about...just trying to get some links.

                        Is that OK with you guys?
                        You can have links anywhere in the article. Whether the blog owner will accept links at the bottom of an article to a site that's unrelated remains to be seen. Personally I wouldn't.

                        I prefer to publish articles with links to sites that are on topic. I think Google will prefer this that's why. Maybe I'm wrong.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
                          Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post


                          I prefer to publish articles with links to sites that are on topic. I think Google will prefer this that's why. Maybe I'm wrong.
                          Is EZA about 1 niche? How about Go Articles, ArticlesBase, Squidoo, etc? I think people get way to hung up with what's on topic and what isn't.
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                          • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
                            Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

                            Is EZA about 1 niche? How about Go Articles, ArticlesBase, Squidoo, etc? I think people get way to hung up with what's on topic and what isn't.
                            Sorry I don't get your point. We're talking about relatively small blogs (which are usually one theme specific) sending or receiving links between each other. Not huge article directories with zillions of categories, pages and topics!

                            Google have stated numerous times that links from other sites that are relevant will have more weight than links that are not. A site about photography will gain more value from a link from a camera product site than one about mortgages.

                            This isn't my view, just what Google pushes on various channels. Maybe it's crap! But I'll keep rejecting articles that point links to unrelated blogs for now just to be on the safe side!
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                            • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
                              In my experience, yes, its pure crap:rolleyes:

                              In any even, if Google did consider relevance (which i'm not sure they do), they would care about the relevance on that particular page (not the relevance of that entire domain). Basically, if this so-called relevancy thing is out there:rolleyes:, it is determined on a page basis, not a domain basis.

                              In any event, don't you think a homepage link from CNN would give any of your sites a huge push, no matter what niche they are on? I'll take that link any day of the week, even to my site about poodles

                              Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

                              Sorry I don't get your point. We're talking about relatively small blogs (which are usually one theme specific) sending or receiving links between each other. Not huge article directories with zillions of categories, pages and topics!

                              Google have stated numerous times that links from other sites that are relevant will have more weight than links that are not. A site about photography will gain more value from a link from a camera product site than one about mortgages.

                              This isn't my view, just what Google pushes on various channels. Maybe it's crap! But I'll keep rejecting articles that point links to unrelated blogs for now just to be on the safe side!
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                              • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
                                Hey Mr. Marketer, I'll try and answer as best I know:

                                1. Just looking at the stats now and the range is anywhere from 0 to 6.

                                2. In my experience, I think the best combination is both. High PR and bulk. So, I go after both. To get the high PR links, I typically just contact high PR sites manually and try to strike deals of some sort. You can get some really high PR sites through article syndication, and other linking methods, but the "best" wat to get those really high PR links is just good old deal making with the site owner. To get the bulk links, I'll use ALL syndication and link networks that I know about. Plus all the other web 2.0 link building stuff etc. All the things I'm sure you know about.

                                3. SEOLV syndicates your articles to blogs, not article directories. But, yes, I absolutely submit to blogs, article dirctories, website directories and pretty much anything you can imagine.


                                Hey Jack, and here's the answers to your questions:

                                1. I go with over 500 because 550 seems to be the norm. No real reason other than that. For EzineArticles and other article directories, I know a lower number like 350 or so is ideal, because you're going for the click (in your signature), but for article blog syndication networks, you're not necessarily going for the click, and definitely not the click in the signature, because there's usually not a signature.

                                2. 300 word articles probably still help just as well as 500. It's more a matter of writing GOOD content, rather than worrying about the word count. Since I don't write my own articles for any other subject besides IM stuff, 550 is basically just the guidelines I give to our content guys/gals, so they have something to shoot for while writing their quality content.

                                3. Yes, we allow spinning in the title and the body (there is no set position for a summary or a resource box). Yes, you can use unlimited nested spinning. Regarding the gradual or scheduled submissions, it's all syndicated naturally over time, as blog owners accept and decline content. So, there isn't necessarily a need to schedule or slow down the submissions. We're basically automating a natural process that would normally occur between an article directory and a webmaster wanting content from that article directory.

                                The main thing with SEOLV and submitting content is to submit GOOD content that would better whatever niche you're serving. Google is smart, so if you're writing crappy content just to get links, they'll eventually catch on to what you're doing. If you're writing good content to help your niche and the link(s) are the secondary reward for your time, then you're building a lasting business. Of course this is just my personal opinion and I'm sure others might disagree and that's cool :-)

                                Whew, ok, hope that helps.

                                Brad
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                                • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
                                  Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

                                  The main thing with SEOLV and submitting content is to submit GOOD content that would better whatever niche you're serving. Google is smart, so if you're writing crappy content just to get links, they'll eventually catch on to what you're doing. If you're writing good content to help your niche and the link(s) are the secondary reward for your time, then you're building a lasting business. Of course this is just my personal opinion and I'm sure others might disagree and that's cool :-)

                                  Whew, ok, hope that helps.

                                  Brad
                                  I hope that our articles are going to go on blogs that are equally good. One of my articles which has taken a couple of hours to create and spin has just been posted on what can only be an automated blog. It's using the basic WordPress theme and has tons of articles from every subject under the sun.
                                  It's still got the blogroll and meta links from a new installation and yep 'hello world' is the first post which would confirm that the owner of the blog has probably never touched it.

                                  A link from a blog like this is worthless. It's looks like a blog farm or spammy to say the least. Hopefully this is a one off. I wouldn't want my articles to go to blogs like this regularly!

                                  It's a pity that we can't control where our quality articles go but I know this is not possible unless I go back to Link Dozer!

                                  I would agree that the articles I'm receiving are really good quality and I guess the writers are really making an effort on this end. Brad, don't let it be ruined by junk auto blogs
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                                    Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

                                    It's a pity that we can't control where our quality articles go but I know this is not possible unless I go back to Link Dozer!

                                    I would agree that the articles I'm receiving are really good quality and I guess the writers are really making an effort on this end. Brad, don't let it be ruined by junk auto blogs
                                    Nice idea :-) The problem would be that everyone would "fight" for rights to a specific blog if everyone got to choose manually. But, I'm sure there's something that can be done to give priority to specific users based on "something", so everything is equal. Give us a few months and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with all the positive changes/additions.

                                    Brad
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
                                      Update: On day 3, the two articles I submitted to SEOLinkvine is already published 23 times. And... It's not monday yet, can't wait to see the extra publishings from monday onwards.

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                                    • Profile picture of the author Palo Coyote
                                      Hi Brad,
                                      I'm became one of your "publisher blogs" a few weeks ago. I got in too late to be a contributing writer. Your program, SEO Linkvine is quite good. I've published about 21 articles so far, and they're also quite good. We are in the Cooking/Recipe Niche, not MMO, or IM and the articles are well done.

                                      Q: Will your people be checking the "publisher blogs" to make sure they are of at least a 'good' quality. dotcomedesigns found a publisher blog that was of dubious quality. My blogs are all the Thesis Theme, that's a $164 theme and the same one Matt Cutt's uses. I don't expect everyone to use a paid theme, but I would hope that the blogs meet some medium 'quality control.' I know it would be a PIA the check 4,000 blogs, but when I sign up this week, I really don't want my articles going out on a blog that was thrown up so quickly the 1st post is 'Hello World'. I really hope you ask for some standards for the blogs that will be publishing our material.

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                              • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
                                Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

                                In my experience, yes, its pure crap:rolleyes:

                                In any even, if Google did consider relevance (which i'm not sure they do), they would care about the relevance on that particular page (not the relevance of that entire domain). Basically, if this so-called relevancy thing is out there:rolleyes:, it is determined on a page basis, not a domain basis.

                                In any event, don't you think a homepage link from CNN would give any of your sites a huge push, no matter what niche they are on? I'll take that link any day of the week, even to my site about poodles
                                Of course it would. But that ain't gonna happen and if it does it'll brief

                                Anyway the network we're discussing are smallish blogs with zero to low pr. I'd rather have 100 links from on topics sites than 100 random off topic sites

                                There are a load more variables and I expect this effect from this is fairly small either way.
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                  • Profile picture of the author chestmary
                    Hi,

                    Can Brad or a subscriber tell me where the info on using LinkVine with outsourcing is

                    Thanks
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                    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
                      Originally Posted by chestmary View Post

                      Hi,

                      Can Brad or a subscriber tell me where the info on using LinkVine with outsourcing is

                      Thanks
                      Mary
                      Sure thing. After you login. It's under the "profile" page (On the top right).

                      Brad
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Originally Posted by sirtiman View Post

        My blog got banned using SEO Linkvine.
        Dotcomdesigns: What he means is his subdomain on HisBlog.wordpress.com got turned off because they won't allow automated content. It doesn't have anything to do with Google or search engines.

        Sirtiman: Hi, If you're serious about your business I strongly suggest downloading the open source Word Press version from wordpress.org and install it on your "own" server so you don't have to rely on a third party who could do whatever they want with your site.

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    • Profile picture of the author zonk
      John,

      What you're basically talking about is integrating what DupeCop Spun does. So if Brad wanted to integrate the minimum percentage uniqueness feature Dupecop Spun would be a great tool to check out.
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    • Profile picture of the author oiewuf
      I just joined SEO link vine a few days ago, and submitted my first article on Wednesday. Very cool program and I'm excited to see the results.

      I had a question for you in regards to article spinning. Should I spin variations of my anchor text in my articles to make it look more natural? For example: Boston Widgets, boston widgets, Boston widget, widgets in Boston

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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Yes i know its off-topic, but also "somewhat" related to the subject.

    Funny i had the same thoughts today about spinning,whether the search engines are actually smart enough and know the synonyms.

    Makes sense that more complex spinning (sentences, paragraphs) would be better.

    BUT....if we use articles to distribute to OTHER sites (as in blog networks like seolinkvine et al..) does it actually matter (for us)? [I know it matters for the sites who want unique content]

    What i mean is, let's take a simple example:

    I have an article linking to my site, and i submit the article to article directories (or blog networks for distribution). So even if my article would appear 1:1 unchanged on other article directories or sites...it is hardly to imagine that it "hurts" *my* site if my article is syndicated, as is so often the case eg. by submitting to ezine articles etc. Everyone and their mom is taking articles from such directories and re-uses them.

    What hurts would be the site in question since it has duplicate content, but not my site. I would still benefit from the link to my site?

    I cannot see google "penalizing" a site because many other sites (re-)use that content and link back to the site....in fact, it should be an indication that the site where the article is from is quite an authority since so many use that article? So, for the one distributing and wanting backlinks, spinning MIGHT not be so crucial.
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    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Yes i know its off-topic, but also "somewhat" related to the subject.

      Funny i had the same thoughts today about spinning,whether the search engines are actually smart enough and know the synonyms.

      Makes sense that more complex spinning (sentences, paragraphs) would be better.

      BUT....if we use articles to distribute to OTHER sites (as in blog networks like seolinkvine et al..) does it actually matter (for us)? [I know it matters for the sites who want unique content]

      What i mean is, let's take a simple example:

      I have an article linking to my site, and i submit the article to article directories (or blog networks for distribution). So even if my article would appear 1:1 unchanged on other article directories or sites...it is hardly to imagine that it "hurts" *my* site if my article is syndicated, as is so often the case eg. by submitting to ezine articles etc. Everyone and their mom is taking articles from such directories and re-uses them.

      What hurts would be the site in question since it has duplicate content, but not my site. I would still benefit from the link to my site?

      I cannot see google "penalizing" a site because many other sites (re-)use that content and link back to the site....in fact, it should be an indication that the site where the article is from is quite an authority since so many use that article? So, for the one distributing and wanting backlinks, spinning MIGHT not be so crucial.
      There is NO dupe penalty, fact.

      At least not in the sense that multiple identical copies of an article linking back to you will hurt your positions, that's just syndication, end off story.

      However and people have different theories on this and some will even argue it doesn't exist but if you post the same article 1000 times with a link back to your site, you ain't getting the link juice you would from 1000 unique pieces of content linking back to you.

      If this wasn't true, think how easy it would be to spam any site to number 1 without issue. We could be number 1 for "credit cards" within 2 weeks if Google didn't care that all the content linking back to our site was indentical.

      Certain folks will tell you on this forum that a link is a link is a link, that you can simply send out the exact same article 10,000 and every link in that article back to you will count at full value. I call hogwash but can't be bothered to argue with them, the thought that Google is that stupid boggles the mind.

      The other camp who agree spinning is vital are then split into variations of exactly why you don't get the same love from the same article posting back to you 10,000 times.

      Brad's thought process which he explains in the launch videos for SEOLV is about on par with how I and many others see it, worth watching those videos. We can argue semantics, but his explanation tallies with common sense.

      All I know is from extensive testing that Google for the most part ignores the exact same content as far as link value goes.

      There's nothing wrong with identical content syndication, nada, zilch, it's worth doing for various reasons all of which have been expressed a thousand times on this forum.

      But put it this way.

      Go send your article out in it's original format to 1000 sites, and then type in a unique search string of that article, you'll see at best Google allows maybe 20 versions of it, it will pick which site sit feels offers the most relevance and trust and allow those listings.

      The rest, it will dump into the supplemental.

      Now if Google doesn't think enough about that contents value to bother putting it in front of its' users, why do people feel it's going to allow every link from those 1000 identical articles to have the same value it would if it was coming from unique content? Do people really think Google is this daft? It's not going to penalize you for it, not at all, no way, but its' not going to welcome you with open arms and try and french kiss you either.

      Truth is, people can try this out for themselves.

      Send the same content out to 1000 sites, link back to your money site and see how much it moves..

      Now get 1000 articles of different content linking back to you and see the difference.

      My 2 cents..
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      • Profile picture of the author wrays
        WOW! Simon... that's definitely worth more than 2 cents... to me, it's worth more than a crappy $27 WSO.... thank you!

        Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

        There is NO dupe penalty, fact.

        At least not in the sense that multiple identical copies of an article linking back to you will hurt your positions, that's just syndication, end off story.

        However and people have different theories on this and some will even argue it doesn't exist but if you post the same article 1000 times with a link back to your site, you ain't getting the link juice you would from 1000 unique pieces of content linking back to you.

        If this wasn't true, think how easy it would be to spam any site to number 1 without issue. We could be number 1 for "credit cards" within 2 weeks if Google didn't care that all the content linking back to our site was indentical.

        Certain folks will tell you on this forum that a link is a link is a link, that you can simply send out the exact same article 10,000 and every link in that article back to you will count at full value. I call hogwash but can't be bothered to argue with them, the thought that Google is that stupid boggles the mind.

        The other camp who agree spinning is vital are then split into variations of exactly why you don't get the same love from the same article posting back to you 10,000 times.

        Brad's thought process which he explains in the launch videos for SEOLV is about on par with how I and many others see it, worth watching those videos. We can argue semantics, but his explanation tallies with common sense.

        All I know is from extensive testing that Google for the most part ignores the exact same content as far as link value goes.

        There's nothing wrong with identical content syndication, nada, zilch, it's worth doing for various reasons all of which have been expressed a thousand times on this forum.

        But put it this way.

        Go send your article out in it's original format to 1000 sites, and then type in a unique search string of that article, you'll see at best Google allows maybe 20 versions of it, it will pick which site sit feels offers the most relevance and trust and allow those listings.

        The rest, it will dump into the supplemental.

        Now if Google doesn't think enough about that contents value to bother putting it in front of its' users, why do people feel it's going to allow every link from those 1000 identical articles to have the same value it would if it was coming from unique content? Do people really think Google is this daft? It's not going to penalize you for it, not at all, no way, but its' not going to welcome you with open arms and try and french kiss you either.

        Truth is, people can try this out for themselves.

        Send the same content out to 1000 sites, link back to your money site and see how much it moves..

        Now get 1000 articles of different content linking back to you and see the difference.

        My 2 cents..
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeb
    Well the debate can go well into the night for spun articles and it's effectiveness. But personally i think that unique articles from different site/blog ip's linking to your site beats duplicate articles from different ip's linking to your site. Simplified.
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  • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
    Yep just spinning words won't cut it these days. Google has a $100 billion budget pays the best money for the most intelligent people on earth to work for them and we IM's beat them with a bit of spinning. I don't think so!

    I rewrite each paragraph once, each sentence within each paragraph three times and spin words within sentences. Takes me 45 minutes to an hour but I get 100% uniqueness every time and end up with 100's and 100's of UNIQUE articles for an hours work at most.

    So my question earlier has been answered, thanks. I can put this in SEOLV which is great news.

    One final point on spinning is that I have blogs where I took UAW articles. But they were poorly spun and I kept on getting the same articles over and over with very little difference. Having dupe content on your site is not a good thing, I think we all agree about that!

    In the end I pulled UAW articles from my blogs as I felt they were doing more harm than good. I'll do the same if the articles from SEOLV do the same. Hopefully the articles will be unique enough to warrant being used on my blogs. I know for sure that my articles to SEOLV will be top quality!!
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    • Profile picture of the author chini
      Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

      One final point on spinning is that I have blogs where I took UAW articles. But they were poorly spun and I kept on getting the same articles over and over with very little difference. Having dupe content on your site is not a good thing, I think we all agree about that!

      In the end I pulled UAW articles from my blogs as I felt they were doing more harm than good. I'll do the same if the articles from SEOLV do the same. Hopefully the articles will be unique enough to warrant being used on my blogs. I know for sure that my articles to SEOLV will be top quality!!
      Yeah this is extreamly important, this is why a good network works well when the articles that are submitted are at least 70%+ unique, and decent quality. This attracts better quality websites to the network, thus increasing the quality of backlinks. This is why its also essential to submit great content, because the high quality your content the better back-links you will get. Also the more traffic you will receive.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    I think the best spinner might not be the best after all - check out the magic article rewriter, they had a powerful auto spin library that work almost as good as contentboss.
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  • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
    Brad - is there going to be a limit on the number of posts per day? The number of sites promoted?

    I'm just wondering if I'm promoting multiple sites, at what point is one account not enough?
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    • Profile picture of the author vitavee
      Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

      Brad - is there going to be a limit on the number of posts per day? The number of sites promoted?

      I'm just wondering if I'm promoting multiple sites, at what point is one account not enough?
      Good question. I would love to know this too.

      So far I have submitted up to 10 articles in 1 day without any warning or error.

      I hope it is unlimited
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Hey guys,

        1. Currently it's unlimited articles. It will stay that way unless we run into problems :-)
        2. Regarding the nesting of levels 3 and beyond, I just double checked with my developers and they said the parser works in a recursive algorithm, so if you input 1,000,000 levels deep, they'll get picked just as with 1 or 2 levels deep. You'll just need to make sure all the {} are in the right place. Vita, if you're 110% sure they were in the right place, would you mind shooting me an email with a short video to show me? Thanks!

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        • Profile picture of the author vitavee
          Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

          Hey guys,

          1. Currently it's unlimited articles. It will stay that way unless we run into problems :-)
          2. Regarding the nesting of levels 3 and beyond, I just double checked with my developers and they said the parser works in a recursive algorithm, so if you input 1,000,000 levels deep, they'll get picked just as with 1 or 2 levels deep. You'll just need to make sure all the {} are in the right place. Vita, if you're 110% sure they were in the right place, would you mind shooting me an email with a short video to show me? Thanks!

          Brad
          Ok I'll double check later today.
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  • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
    Brad - here is a 6 level deep example that works correctly (I built my own spinner about 8 years ago, before someone leaked the idea of spinning)

    {A1 {B1 {c1 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c2 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c3 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } } } }|b2 {c1 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c2 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c3 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } } } }|b3 {c1 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c2 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c3 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } } } |A2 {B4 {c1 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c2 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c3 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } } } }|b5 {c1 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c2 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c3 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } } } }|b6 {c1 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c2 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c3 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } } } |A3 {B7 {c1 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c2 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c3 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } } } }|B8 {c1 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c2 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c3 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } } } }|B9 {c1 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c2 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c3 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } } } } } }

    Hint Hint: spinning isn't just for articles... it is great for web pages too!
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  • Profile picture of the author vitavee
    Hey Poker, great, thanks for the free ultra spinnable article

    I have just tried it and it works well. Here are some variations I'm getting:

    A3 B7 c1 d3 e2 f3
    A1 B1 c2 d1 e1 f3
    A3 B8 c1 d3 e3 f2

    So I messed up somewhere when I tried it myself
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  • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
    00:00:22:48 to the grand opening. I'm getting chills
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  • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
    VitaVee, those imbalanced brackets are a b*tch. I used to have a script that checked for them and highlighted the block of code with the bad balance in red, but now with nested brackets, I just haven't been able to get my head around it.

    So for {A {1|2|3 |B {1|2|3 } } it is obvious to us that there is a bracket missing after the first 3... OR did we mean that B {1|2|3} was the 4th option of the first nested spin, which case, we're missing the close of the outside bracket. :confused::confused::confused:

    That's the hard part of error checking when there is nesting. Even if I flag the start of the first imbalance, that would be {A, which I guess gives some indication, but really you need a clean spinner that just shows you the result of your spin, spot the first stray bracket and back track.
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    • Profile picture of the author DavidParton
      Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

      VitaVee, those imbalanced brackets are a b*tch. I used to have a script that checked for them and highlighted the block of code with the bad balance in red, but now with nested brackets, I just haven't been able to get my head around it.

      So for {A {1|2|3 |B {1|2|3 } } it is obvious to us that there is a bracket missing after the first 3... OR did we mean that B {1|2|3} was the 4th option of the first nested spin, which case, we're missing the close of the outside bracket. :confused::confused::confused:

      That's the hard part of error checking when there is nesting. Even if I flag the start of the first imbalance, that would be {A, which I guess gives some indication, but really you need a clean spinner that just shows you the result of your spin, spot the first stray bracket and back track.
      TBS has a feature when you try to spin.It tells you that the brackets are imbalanced and it leaves the cursor at the last working spot so you can find the error rather easily
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
    Awesome. Thanks Poker. And good to hear it's working Vita. I'm looking forward to connecting with the members a week or so after we go live, to gather feature additions. That's the part I love about the internet marketing group. There are so many smart people all willing to help each other out.

    Brad
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    • Profile picture of the author Marty S
      You cannot tell me this is different software than MAN. It looks exactly the same.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2020034

      This service has been around for awhile, so Brad, is there reason to change to SEOLinkVine?
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Originally Posted by Marty S View Post

        You cannot tell me this is different software than MAN. It looks exactly the same.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2020034

        This service has been around for awhile, so Brad, is there reason to change to SEOLinkVine?
        Hi Marty, the process is very similar because it works and we're all familiar with it. At the beginning of this thread, I listed the current major differences from network to network. Reinventing the wheel is never a good idea. Taking what already works well and making it better is my goal with anything that we create. I still use ALL link networks because they're good and they work. With SEOLV, our goal is to raise the bar to another level by taking what I know about SEO, combined with "constant" feedback from users.

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        • Profile picture of the author chini
          Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

          With SEOLV, our goal is to raise the bar to another level by taking what I know about SEO, combined with "constant" feedback from users.

          Brad
          Hopefully the network can remain high quality. Most networks deteriorate over time because of a lapse of quality control over content and sites. Hopefully you have strict rules to ensure the quality is maintained consistent and improves over time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeb
    Ok i just signed up. There was a bonus for the first 25 signups. Did i make the bonus Brad?

    Now to take it for a spin...
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by Zeb View Post

      Ok i just signed up. There was a bonus for the first 25 signups. Did i make the bonus Brad?

      Now to take it for a spin...
      Hey Zeb, pm me and I'll set you up, on me :-) The first 25 sold in < 60 seconds.

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      • Profile picture of the author Zeb
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

        Hey Zeb, pm me and I'll set you up, on me :-) The first 25 sold in < 60 seconds.

        Brad
        Replied via pm.

        And the problem about logging in is all sorted out now.
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  • Profile picture of the author usfemail
    Just purchased SEO linkvine; however I can not seem to log into my account? Please help so I can begin using it to build backlinks.

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by usfemail View Post

      Just purchased SEO linkvine; however I can not seem to log into my account? Please help so I can begin using it to build backlinks.

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      Hi, I don't think you created an account after you purchased :-)

      After you purchase, you'll see this screen:

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      Please email purchasereceipts AT gmail.com and Charlie will set you up as fast as he can. Actually... If you email quickly, I'll check that account and manually set you up myself.

      Thanks!

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      • Profile picture of the author AJsVRE
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

        Hi, I don't think you created an account after you purchased :-)

        After you purchase, you'll see this screen:

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        Please email purchasereceipts AT gmail.com and Charlie will set you up as fast as he can. Actually... If you email quickly, I'll check that account and manually set you up myself.

        Thanks!

        Brad
        Brad, the same thing happened to me. I got to the screen in the screenshot you posted, clicked on the link to create an account. Did so, and when I clicked on "Submit articles and get links" it took me to the sales page.

        How I got access after paying -

        I went to my email and opened the clickbank receipt email. There was a part that said:
        TECHNICAL SUPPORT

        If this was a digital product and for some reason you did not receive access to
        the product after payment, please try again by following this link now:
        (MY LINK WAS HERE)
        and clicked on the that link. When I did that, it finally said my premium account has been updated and I had full access.
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        • Profile picture of the author remodeler
          Originally Posted by AJsVRE View Post

          Brad, the same thing happened to me. I got to the screen in the screenshot you posted, clicked on the link to create an account. Did so, and when I clicked on "Submit articles and get links" it took me to the sales page.

          How I got access after paying -

          I went to my email and opened the clickbank receipt email. There was a part that said: and clicked on the that link. When I did that, it finally said my premium account has been updated and I had full access.
          That worked! I just did it and can now submit articles. Very strange...
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          • Profile picture of the author AJsVRE
            Originally Posted by remodeler View Post

            That worked! I just did it and can now submit articles. Very strange...
            Cool, glad it worked for you too. It was strange, but I figured it was just one of those "launch" things!
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        • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
          Originally Posted by AJsVRE View Post


          How I got access after paying -

          I went to my email and opened the clickbank receipt email. There was a part that said: and clicked on the that link. When I did that, it finally said my premium account has been updated and I had full access.
          Cheers, this worked.
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          • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
            Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

            Cheers, this worked.
            Cool. Yeah, we auto-updated everyone we could so most everyone should be automatically "fixed" :-)

            There will still be a few that it didn't auto-update for. If that's you, please email us at purchasereceipts AT gmail.com . I'm logged in there now along with my support guys and we'll make sure to set you up as fast as possible!

            Sorry for the hassle. All new purchases should be just fine now, though.

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            • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
              Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post


              Sorry for the hassle. All new purchases should be just fine now, though.

              Brad
              No worries, **** happens.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marty S
      Ok Brad, fair enough. I took the plunge as well.





      Originally Posted by usfemail View Post

      Just purchased SEO linkvine; however I can not seem to log into my account? Please help so I can begin using it to build backlinks.

      Thanks
      I cannot log in either. Set up account, then tried to login but the software is saying no account or wrong un/pw. Got a bad loop going on here.
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Hey Marty, we're on it. Apparently the auto-redirect after the launch timer hit 00:00 caused the registration script to get jacked up. Go figure. Always happens...

        Anyway, we're on it. Should be fixed in < 2 minutes...

        Email purchasereceipts AT gmail.com and I'll monitor it and manually set you up. Sorry about that!

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  • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
    Anybody else have issues with the order process?

    Payment went via CB fine, ended up on page saying, you do not have an account so register here.

    Did that, ended up logged in but.. with no access.

    When I click uploading articles etc, I'm taken back to a payment option screen.

    Only me ?
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    • Profile picture of the author remodeler
      Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

      Anybody else have issues with the order process?

      Payment went via CB fine, ended up on page saying, you do not have an account so register here.

      Did that, ended up logged in but.. with no access.

      When I click uploading articles etc, I'm taken back to a payment option screen.

      Only me ?
      I'm having the same issues Simon. Registered my acct and logged in. I try clicking on submit articles and just keep getting the sales page. I sent in a support ticket. Hopefully, it can get resolved pretty quickly.
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  • Profile picture of the author usfemail
    Finally I am in; now its time to test and play.
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  • Profile picture of the author vitavee
    Congratz to all the new users

    Don't forget to submit some blogs too so we can get more backlinks
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  • Profile picture of the author vitavee
    And if possible when you add a new blog to the system try to setup some autolink process to have backlinks created to all your new fresh content (ping.fm is your friend)
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  • Profile picture of the author vitavee
    Hey Warriors,

    I'll give one free Ultra Spinnable Article to the first 3 SEOLV customers who PM me
    No matter if you purchased it from my affiliate link or not.

    Just a gift to support Brad's SEOLinkVine

    Make sure that you send me your CB receipt!

    PS: If you don't know what an Ultra Spinnable Article is, look at my sig!

    UPDATE

    Offer not available anymore The 3 spots have been taken.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    Hey Vita,

    I left a comment recently in your USA WSO when you get a chance to check it out.

    Thnx!

    ~Dexx
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Trotts
    I cannot order for some reason.. won't navigate to checkout for some reason. Think this may be on my end.. but i've been trying since the second the launch email hit my gmail. m
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  • Profile picture of the author remodeler
    I've looked at the videos, but can't seem to find what the word count should be for your articles. Does anyone know the limits?

    Brad, this is a nice tool. Clean interface and easy to get around.
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  • Profile picture of the author excoder01
    On my autoblog, I notice some folks do not even put an anchor link in their article at all.

    Now, what would be the purpose? They're not getting backlinks for not having links in their articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
      Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

      On my autoblog, I notice some folks do not even put an anchor link in their article at all.

      Now, what would be the purpose? They're not getting backlinks for not having links in their articles.
      Nice, no outbound links while still get content!

      I think they miss it, push the publish button too fast....better double check before publishing!
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    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
      Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

      On my autoblog, I notice some folks do not even put an anchor link in their article at all.

      Now, what would be the purpose? They're not getting backlinks for not having links in their articles.
      Do they have ANY links, even un anchored or simply no links at all ?
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      • Profile picture of the author excoder01
        Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

        Do they have ANY links, even un anchored or simply no links at all ?
        An article with no links at all. Not even a "please check out mydomain.com"

        Well, that's good for me then since my autoblog will look less spammy and more content oriented.
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    • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
      Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

      On my autoblog, I notice some folks do not even put an anchor link in their article at all.

      Now, what would be the purpose? They're not getting backlinks for not having links in their articles.
      That might be me! My spun articles are so complicated that I can't work out where to put the links to make sure I get one out in the article. You can only have 3 but this isn't enough for me if I've spun paragraphs plus 3 sentences and words.

      I keep getting warnings saying I've added too many if I stick in a forth!

      Anyway my articles are coming out at 100% uniqueness and occasionally I'm going to have one without a link.
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      • Profile picture of the author vitavee
        Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

        That might be me! My spun articles are so complicated that I can't work out where to put the links to make sure I get one out in the article. You can only have 3 but this isn't enough for me if I've spun paragraphs plus 3 sentences and words.

        I keep getting warnings saying I've added too many if I stick in a forth!

        Anyway my articles are coming out at 100% uniqueness and occasionally I'm going to have one without a link.
        The "rewrite percentage" is not the uniqueness level of your article. If it says 100% it means that all your words have at least 1 variation.
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        • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
          Originally Posted by vitavee View Post

          The "rewrite percentage" is not the uniqueness level of your article. If it says 100% it means that all your words have at least 1 variation.
          It's 'the best spinner' quoting 100% unique. I take this with a pinch of salt to be honest. As long at it gets over 50% I'm happy. BTW vitavee I'm a Link Dozer spinner too and that spinner can really do some work. Just wish I could use it as quick as TBS!

          Have you tried a LD spun article in SEOLV yet?
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          • Profile picture of the author vitavee
            Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

            It's 'the best spinner' quoting 100% unique. I take this with a pinch of salt to be honest. As long at it gets over 50% I'm happy.
            Oh I see, I wrote too quickly

            Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

            BTW vitavee I'm a Link Dozer spinner too and that spinner can really do some work. Just wish I could use it as quick as TBS!

            Have you tried a LD spun article in SEOLV yet?
            No I haven't, I only use Ultra Spinnable Articles for my submissions.
            Even in LD
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            • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
              Brad -

              The system looks great. One question. Since there is no sig block, like on an article site, how you would you name/promote the author? I know the blog owners aren't allowed to claim copyright over our material, but if we don't put our name on it...

              Or can we just add our own "about the author" to the end of the article itself, like:

              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
              John Doe is the President of Acme and his (link)shoe stores(/link) are .....


              Second, can articles talk about a company? Suppose I'm promoting a brick and mortar company named Acme, can the article be about Acme or does it need to be a generic article about something to do with Acme's industry? What will be accepted on the blogs?

              Thanks!

              And congrats on a succesful launch!
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              • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
                Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

                Brad -

                The system looks great. One question. Since there is no sig block, like on an article site, how you would you name/promote the author? I know the blog owners aren't allowed to claim copyright over our material, but if we don't put our name on it...

                Or can we just add our own "about the author" to the end of the article itself, like:

                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                John Doe is the President of Acme and his (link)shoe stores(/link) are .....


                Second, can articles talk about a company? Suppose I'm promoting a brick and mortar company named Acme, can the article be about Acme or does it need to be a generic article about something to do with Acme's industry? What will be accepted on the blogs?

                Thanks!

                And congrats on a succesful launch!
                You can essentially add your own signature to the end of your articles. You have total control over it. And yes, in the example you gave, that is just fine. It's tough to answer that question, because it depends on the specific situation, but in general, yes, that is more than fine.

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          • Profile picture of the author Alexissalaam
            Hi Brad

            This thing is great already got a couple of articles
            but I'm a newbie so I only have one site right now
            so the articles that I received I cant use right now
            no specific category for it, what will be cool is if
            you had away we could ask for specific content.

            Over the weekend I'll put up another site that will
            work great I'm pretty sure there's content for this Idea
            I have, but for right now I have to work on this site I got
            going on because it's making some money.

            Thanks
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            • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
              One last question (for now )

              Can spinning be used in the article title? I see you can add multiple title boxes, so for completely different titles, that is cool, but can I use spinning notation within each of those title boxes?

              Thanks
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              • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
                Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

                One last question (for now )

                Can spinning be used in the article title? I see you can add multiple title boxes, so for completely different titles, that is cool, but can I use spinning notation within each of those title boxes?

                Thanks
                Yes sir. You sure can.

                Brad
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  • Profile picture of the author 4thstreet
    I got so many emails about this product that I was just going to brush it off. But then I read this tread & just signed up.

    I respect reviews from warriors since they are not dropping aff links and there are several really good reviews here.
    Brad sounds like you definitely have a winner!
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  • Profile picture of the author valdivz
    What if there are not enough blogs to post to based on your niche?

    for example what if my niche was about red dresses.... and there are only 13 blogs about clothing???

    Is there a specific niche or niches that this blog network caters towards best?

    I remember being a member of AMA but it completely sucked for me because there were not many blogs to post to.

    Is there a way to see if this is good for my niche? or perhaps I'll just have to test it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by valdivz View Post

      What if there are not enough blogs to post to based on your niche?

      for example what if my niche was about red dresses.... and there are only 13 blogs about clothing???

      Is there a specific niche or niches that this blog network caters towards best?

      I remember being a member of AMA but it completely sucked for me because there were not many blogs to post to.

      Is there a way to see if this is good for my niche? or perhaps I'll just have to test it.
      Yeah, this is one of the 3 major aspects that differentiate 1 article syndication network apart from another. We're adding 100+ new blogs every day and in roughly 2 weeks will be starting a major initiative to double the size of the network in a very short period of time. What I would suggest doing early on is submitting to a broader category, and then over time, get more specific.

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      • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
        Hello Brad, Just joined linkvine. Viewing the videos. Do you have any limit set for the articles submitted to linkvine. I wasn't able to find any yet. Also, is there an option to put images in article?

        Thanks...
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        • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
          Originally Posted by Spencer Jones View Post

          Hello Brad, Just joined linkvine. Viewing the videos. Do you have any limit set for the articles submitted to linkvine. I wasn't able to find any yet. Also, is there an option to put images in article?

          Thanks...
          Hi Spencer, right now it's unlimited and will stay that way unless we come across any problems with this.

          Thanks!

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          • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
            Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

            Hi Spencer, right now it's unlimited and will stay that way unless we come across any problems with this.

            Thanks!

            Brad
            Am sorry, what I really meant to ask is if there is any limit set for the length of the article that can be submitted via seolinkvine? Is there any minimum length limit, for the article, to get approved for submission?

            Thanks
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            • Profile picture of the author wrays
              Yes, article must have at least 300 words. You can not submit if you have less than 300 words.

              Originally Posted by Spencer Jones View Post

              Am sorry, what I really meant to ask is if there is any limit set for the length of the article that can be submitted via seolinkvine? Is there any minimum length limit, for the article, to get approved for submission?

              Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
    Hey Brad I gotta say I love what you've created here. It's so easy to use. I've just added three blogs and three articles in a couple of hours. 1 article of mine has been published already and I've received three which were really good quality.

    I timed myself at 19 secs so I'm hoping I got in the first 25!!!

    It's good to hear more blogs will be added soon. I've got some very small niches where I've not been able to find suitable categories yet. I assume this will improve as the network expands.

    Are we able to add images to the articles. I know we can add video but didn't see anything about images.

    Thanks,

    Phil
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    SeoLinkVine leaves a BIG FOOTPRINT

    "Posted by SeoLinkVine"

    ---> this is extremely, extremely bad!!


    People talking about it on other forums already, the blogs can easily identified that way. Why do you do this? This needs to be fixed ASAP in my opinion.

    People are already spreading lists of all the blogs in the network...
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      SeoLinkVine leaves a BIG FOOTPRINT

      "Posted by SeoLinkVine"

      ---> this is extremely, extremely bad!!


      People talking about it on other forums already, the blogs can easily identified that way. Why do you do this? This needs to be fixed ASAP in my opinion.

      People are already spreading lists of all the blogs in the network...
      lol... Hey George, that is somewhat funny. Let me explain why, and you have absolutely no reason for concern. I've known about this for weeks. These sites that show up in the search results are a few "beta user" blogs from a couple of people whom created a blog username on "their" blog named seolinkvine and attached that to seolinkvine.com to get their free content.

      We have no control over what username they would create on their wordpress blog and give write permissions for (this makes everything occur even more natural. Blog owners can choose whatever username they want, so it's all 100% natural). Anyone could create a blog username named seolinkvine and post their own content and it obviously would not be attached to seolinkvine, ye would still say "posted by seolinkvine".

      But, in the future, to avoid confusion from random forum posters like those guys that don't do their research, we no longer allow the username seolinkvine etc. to be attached to seolinkvine.com and receive content.

      But, as I said, these few sites are random beta user's blogs that just created a username called seolinkvine on THEIR blog and gave that username the permission to receive articles from us. There is nothing in our system that would post "posted by seolinkvine".

      If you actually look through the list, there are 244 actual search results, and many of those are multiple pages from the same domain. Likely owned by the same couple of users with the same seolinkvine blog username.

      Also, this: "People are already spreading lists of all the blogs in the network..."

      The guys you're referring to are spreading a list of probably less than 200 domains, all owned by a couple of the same blog owners :-P You have nothing to worry about. Post those articles and get those links man.

      and definitely thanks for pointing this out so I could explain. I can see how it might be confusing at first glance :-)

      On an even better note, this does show that your articles will get indexed FAST! hehe...

      Brad
      P.S. You might want to pop over there and explain this to them so they don't confuse more people.
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      • Profile picture of the author .
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

        lol... Hey George, that is somewhat funny. Let me explain why, and you have absolutely no reason for concern. I've known about this for weeks. These sites that show up in the search results are a few "beta user" blogs from a couple of people whom created a blog username on "their" blog named seolinkvine and attached that to seolinkvine.com to get their free content.
        I tried to find funny the fact of leaving a footprint... but I still can't find the funny part. :confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
          Originally Posted by rankinghero View Post

          I tried to find funny the fact of leaving a footprint... but I still can't find the funny part. :confused:
          the reason is that some early beta testers created a user ON THEIR blog called "seolinkvine" - needless to say this is not the most intelligent thing to do. SEOLV does *not* leave a footprint - read what brad wrote.

          Its a little "funny" but it only affects those people's blogs, simply not a wise thing to do.
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    Ok, clear now
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  • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
    Brad, I would like to have your reply regarding the article length and image posting questions I posted above.

    Thanks...
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by Spencer Jones View Post

      Brad, I would like to have your reply regarding the article length and image posting questions I posted above.

      Thanks...
      Hey Spencer, sorry about that. I must have missed your question by accident. I usually submit articles between 350 and 600 words in length. As far as I know there is no official word limit you can exceed, although there probably should be, from a user standpoint. I wouldn't really go over 700 words. Beyond that and it's likely your article won't be read from beginning to end.

      About adding images, you can't. Only text at this time. Although, that is a good suggestion. I'll see about that tomorrow morning when I get to the office. Thanks for the suggestion.

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      • Profile picture of the author ebaluyot
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

        Hey Spencer, sorry about that. I must have missed your question by accident. I usually submit articles between 350 and 600 words in length. As far as I know there is no official word limit you can exceed, although there probably should be, from a user standpoint. I wouldn't really go over 700 words. Beyond that and it's likely your article won't be read from beginning to end.

        About adding images, you can't. Only text at this time. Although, that is a good suggestion. I'll see about that tomorrow morning when I get to the office. Thanks for the suggestion.

        Brad
        Brad,

        But in regards to the length, what is the minimum that SEOLinkVine allows? Because MAN has to be above 300 words or it won't publish.

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      • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post


        About adding images, you can't. Only text at this time. Although, that is a good suggestion. I'll see about that tomorrow morning when I get to the office. Thanks for the suggestion.

        Brad
        Just worth mentioning you can add embedded media.
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  • Profile picture of the author stabilus
    Hey Brad

    I just wanted to let you know that I wrote a review under www[dot]cash-in[dot]us/reviews/seolinkvine/ and awarded it the "Worth-It!" label.

    Thanks for a great job on this product. (sorry I can't post links yet here)
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary McLean
    Oh dear,
    I was thinking for a bit of a newbie, this would be a great intro tool...but you all seem sooo far advanced, I'm wondering if I read & watched the videos incorrectly!

    Would it still be worth it to get it as someone just launching out with a real product to promote?
    I'm confused now...HELP please...if it's fine, I want in at $47!

    Thanks,
    Mary
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    • Profile picture of the author wrays
      Hi Mary,

      If you have a website/blog that is promoting/selling products, and you rely on organic (free) traffic from the search engines... then SEOLinkVine can be quite valuable for you as it helps you to build backlinks to your site/blog automatically.

      However, you do need to write articles, add your anchor text links, spin them and then submit them to seolinkvine. It will then syndicate your articles to thousands of blogs - giving you the backlinks and boosting your site ranking.

      Hope this helps.

      Originally Posted by Mary McLean View Post

      Oh dear,
      I was thinking for a bit of a newbie, this would be a great intro tool...but you all seem sooo far advanced, I'm wondering if I read & watched the videos incorrectly!

      Would it still be worth it to get it as someone just launching out with a real product to promote?
      I'm confused now...HELP please...if it's fine, I want in at $47!

      Thanks,
      Mary
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    • Profile picture of the author chini
      Originally Posted by Mary McLean View Post

      Oh dear,
      I was thinking for a bit of a newbie, this would be a great intro tool...but you all seem sooo far advanced, I'm wondering if I read & watched the videos incorrectly!

      Thanks,
      Mary

      Theres not much to do it like said above, the tool works great, but you need find keywords which are both profitable and you can easily rank for. Or you will be wasting your money with this tool.
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    • Profile picture of the author RedHat39
      If it helps you any Mary, combine this service with Micro Niche Finder and some quality articles and you will be way ahead of the game for most marketers. Use the three correctly, not much of a learning curve I might add, and you will easily be in profit each month and slowly start to build a steady online income. At $47 and knowing Brad's reputation for having quality products and services SEOLV is a steal.

      Heres a hint for you: Do a search for SEOLinkVine in Google and you'll find a signup bonus for some quality spinnable articles you can get started with right away.


      Originally Posted by Mary McLean View Post

      Oh dear,
      I was thinking for a bit of a newbie, this would be a great intro tool...but you all seem sooo far advanced, I'm wondering if I read & watched the videos incorrectly!

      Would it still be worth it to get it as someone just launching out with a real product to promote?
      I'm confused now...HELP please...if it's fine, I want in at $47!

      Thanks,
      Mary
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      • Profile picture of the author rayan
        I wanted to subscribe but I have a question here..

        This may be obvious but I read that you have to add a blog into the network? Is this compulsory? Does it mean that if I do not have a blog, I cannot submit articles with links to my sites via SEO LV?

        I look forward to the reply, thank you.
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        • Profile picture of the author wrays
          Not that I am aware of...
          I only use seolinkvine to submit articles and get backlinks... I did not add any blog in the network.

          Originally Posted by rayan View Post

          I wanted to subscribe but I have a question here..

          This may be obvious but I read that you have to add a blog into the network? Is this compulsory? Does it mean that if I do not have a blog, I cannot submit articles with links to my sites via SEO LV?

          I look forward to the reply, thank you.
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          • Profile picture of the author markySEO
            I just signed up to SEOLinkVine yesterday having been a member of AMA for about 3 weeks now. I must say that the system is much better then AMA, being able to create projects and post to multiple categories with a single article is a big plus.

            However on the flip side I dont think there are nearly as many blogs in the network.

            I posted 5 articles each in multiple categories yesterday and to date only 2 have been published. In the same period I posted only 2 articles to AMA each to multiple categories and have had about 15 articles published. The articles were in the more or less the same categories in both networks and on the same subject.

            That´s a big difference, it´s only been 24 hours and I´m gonna keep with SEOLinkVine for a month but if it keeps up I might just cancel the subscription and keep with AMA until the network of blogs matures. Shame as I much prefer the SEOLinkVine system.
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        • Profile picture of the author chini
          Originally Posted by rayan View Post

          I wanted to subscribe but I have a question here..

          This may be obvious but I read that you have to add a blog into the network? Is this compulsory? Does it mean that if I do not have a blog, I cannot submit articles with links to my sites via SEO LV?

          I look forward to the reply, thank you.
          No, you add your blogs if you want people to submit content to it from the seolinkvine network.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    However, you do need to write articles, add your anchor text links, spin them and then submit them to seolinkvine.
    well you do that once...and if you spin them good you basically get infinite articles So its time well spent.

    I have one question tho:

    Brad, do you have an idea about the current nr. of blogs in the system (i THINK you once said you add(ed) several hundreds more)...and is there statistics about the quality/PR of those blogs?

    How do you ensure that no junk sites are added, how is the quality of the network kept up?
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    • Profile picture of the author wrays
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Brad, do you have an idea about the current nr. of blogs in the system (i THINK you once said you add(ed) several hundreds more)...and is there statistics about the quality/PR of those blogs?

      How do you ensure that no junk sites are added, how is the quality of the network kept up?
      I would like to know this too.

      In post #140, I said thousands of blogs... I should say "hundreds of blogs" instead. Because I don't know for sure how many blogs are currently in the seolinkvine's network.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary McLean
    Thanks WRays...
    I get you now!

    There's so many angles in this field, I'm seeing one really does have to decide the focused path to take, as each path seems to go on & get deeper with each learning about it!

    Amazing...

    Thanks all,

    I will get it then, so stand back & ...um, er, ..look for my dust then!

    Kindest,
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    hmm....is this normal? I submitted an article 3 days ago and it has been published 3 times.....i was expecting a little more than that.

    2 other articles I published 2 days ago..have not been picked up at all?
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    you posted them YESTERDAY <----

    I really would give this more time, you cant make such an assumption after one day, IMO.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy123
      isn't this just another article spinning blog network,
      why would Google value spun content in its index
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      • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
        Originally Posted by Jeremy123 View Post

        why would Google value spun content in its index
        Spun content (correctly spun content) is unique content so of course Google gives it the same value as the original.
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Originally Posted by Jeremy123 View Post

        isn't this just another article spinning blog network,
        why would Google value spun content in its index
        The better question is how much value will Google assign to a bunch of barely-indexed PR0 auto blogs with little if any back links to them?
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        • Profile picture of the author chini
          Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

          The better question is how much value will Google assign to a bunch of barely-indexed PR0 auto blogs with little if any back links to them?
          This is why its important to maintain the submission of high quality content on networks like these, or the network for suffer and slowly decline in value over time.
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    • Profile picture of the author markySEO
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      you posted them YESTERDAY <----

      I really would give this more time, you cant make such an assumption after one day, IMO.
      I´m gonna give it a month to test properly but I seem to get quite a lot of articles published in AMA in the first 24hrs. I was a bit disappointed. The system is definitely better so I´m gonna persevere
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Originally Posted by markySEO View Post

        I´m gonna give it a month to test properly but I seem to get quite a lot of articles published in AMA in the first 24hrs. I was a bit disappointed. The system is definitely better so I´m gonna persevere
        Hey, wanted to address this really quickly. In roughly 2 weeks from now we'll be doubling the size of the network through some major initiatives (things will only get better over time). Don't worry, I can promise you that you WILL get ALOT of articles published. Right now, because of launch, there are a ton of articles in the queue waiting to be published. Much more than normal. We have 7 crons running nonstop throughout the day to get through the queued articles as fast as mathematically possible. Once the launch dies down a bit, you'll notice that things will pick up. Thanks for your patience.

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  • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
    I think it has promise, but I do have a few concerns... Brad, if you could address these & help clarify...

    1 -- The sales page talks about getting 28,900 backlinks in 3 months... Granted, its only been a couple of days, but my posts to the system were only sent to 2 and 5 blogs, respectively. How many blogs do you expect the typical article to run on?

    By comparison, when I post through UAW, it goes out 50 per day, to about 700-800 article sites.

    I'm not picking one over the other. I'm also thinking about adding AMA, just to get a wider reach. Same with SEOLinkVine. Just want to see more than 2-3 after a few days... and have a better feel for whether those articles are still going out or if they are done.

    2 -- I know the posts get 3 backlinks each... so in the above you need 9633 article postings to get that many links. If each article posted gets picked up by 20 blogs, does that mean we're looking at doing 480 postings to get to those levels? If they're picked up by 200 blogs, then its only 48. I'm trying to do the math.

    3 -- I read the posts that some beta tester named themselves seolinkvine and that it can act as a red flag. I know you are not adding it to everything, but that knucklehead is. So my question is this: if I publish an article and his blog picks it up, will he flag that article as being "posted by seolinkvine" and if it is, that's the kind of thing that Google can find and give a big kick in the crotch to websites that are backlinking from that blog. I know "you" aren't stamping it, but that blog owner is, and that is a big concern.

    Can you either drop him/her or force him/her to change that username?

    Feature wise, I do like your system a lot. I would offer a couple of suggestions for version 1.1:

    1 - You mentioned earlier that spinning is OK in the titles. That should be indicated on your system

    2 - You allow people to add (with a + button) additional title boxes. How about a text area type box with separate titles entered one per line? Then we can paste in 50 easily, as opposed to clicking the "add box" 49 times.

    You also let us organize the articles into categories, which I like. That leads me to...

    3 - When people post, they need to go through the list and "check boxes" for which categories the specific article relates to. I understand why you need that. But can you have it remember the check boxes from the other articles (or last article) within that category, and have them pre-checked next time we add another?

    For example, if I have a category about "solar energy" then all my articles will apply to the same categories... it would be great to avoid running down that category checklist on every single article...

    Overall, I give it a thumbs up and just hope to see some distribution kicking in.

    I'm also contemplating putting up some WordPress blogs and letting you feed the monster
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    • Profile picture of the author Marie A
      Hi Guys, Can some of you pros give some tips an how many variations of the same article you are writing , and how much you are spinning before sending out to the blogs?

      I am very new to this and have signed up to SEO Linkvine and watched the videos and now I udt a little better. lol

      Do you suggest creating lets say 5 titles from the same article or a lot more? , and are you always using same keywords with links to your primary page or each page in your site?

      I have lots of pages on my site and they rank very poorly.

      After all if my main keyword I need to rank for is 'oranges in Florida' for example then I have to mention it in all the articles.

      Hmmm it's a bit confusing so any help and tips are welcome.

      Marie

      I am a new member so please forgive the simple questions.

      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
        Brad, I have a suggestion -

        It would be helpful, if you can add a save and preview article function beside the article editor, so that we can be sure everything works perfect before posting.

        Regards
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      • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
        Originally Posted by Marie A View Post

        Hi Guys, Can some of you pros give some tips an how many variations of the same article you are writing , and how much you are spinning before sending out to the blogs?
        If you're using software like "the best spinner" you can generate hundreds of articles from one seed all within 1 hour. They can be spun to at least 90 % and every article it generates is suprisingly legible if you take the time to get your syno replacement correct first time around.

        My advice is to spin the thing so it's unrecognizable.

        Start with a manual spin of the paragraph position and length.
        Switch to a sentence spin.
        Then run your sydo spin using software.

        Do you suggest creating lets say 5 titles from the same article or a lot more? ,
        Depends on how many times you're wanting that article submitted, SEO LV , lets you control that. More the better I say. SEO LV allows you to generate additional fixed titles but also to spin within the title text ( I believe Brad confirmed that in this thread). You can easily create a bazillion combinations.

        and are you always using same keywords with links to your primary page or each page in your site?
        Both, deeplinking is a good thing, Google likes it. If you have targeted internal pages, consider targeting an anchor text to each internal page. You should always alternate your anchor text to appear natural. I don't bother as much as some people recommend. My format is about 80% the phrase I'm trying to rank for 20% varied.

        For the varied 20%, I go to google, look at associated keywords/long tails or the wonder wheel for my chosen phrase. I cut and paste a dozen of the associated phrases Google tells me it associates with my keywords and use those in the remaining 20% of the anchor text. (Shussh, this is a top hint, that works like crazy because Google sees those anchor text links as very natural and importantly applicable)

        After all if my main keyword I need to rank for is 'oranges in Florida' for example then I have to mention it in all the articles.
        Essentially yes, you want to have your primary phrase in your articles. If you're using TBS (The Best Spinner) or similar, make sure your primary phrase is protected from the spin, (protected=you set the software not to spin your keyword).

        I also like to take a few LSI and put them in the article and also protect those from the spin. If you're not sure what LSI means it means finding similar themed related terms for your primary phrase you're trying to rank for. You can do this by typing your long tail into google then scrolling to the bottom of the page to find "similar searches.

        Hmmm it's a bit confusing so any help and tips are welcome.

        Marie

        I am a new member so please forgive the simple questions.

        Thanks
        Everybody gotta start somewhere Marie.
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        • Profile picture of the author kislany
          Just wondering when the distribution will pick up. I've posted an article 2 days ago and it was republished exactly 3 times, and another article posted yesterday and republishing = 0 so far.
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          • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
            Originally Posted by kislany View Post

            Just wondering when the distribution will pick up. I've posted an article 2 days ago and it was republished exactly 3 times, and another article posted yesterday and republishing = 0 so far.
            Same problem here...

            I submitted my article yesterday, and waiting to see the blogs publish my article, it's over 12 hours, but still the number of "Article published" is 0. It says the article is live. So I have a few questions -

            1) Is there any order in which the sites publish the article?

            2) I have selected the max number of articles to be published per day (10) and set the unlimited limit and selected max categories (30). So is there any clue on - how long it will take before I can see my articles start getting published?

            3) If I get 10 blogs publish my post per day, then won't it take long time to get links from 1000's of sites publish my article, like those shown in the screen shots in sales page? Or is it submitting multiple articles, that does the trick?

            Brad, Thanks in advance for your answers...
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            • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
              I submitted 3 articles on the first day and they've been published 16 times so far. I added another yesterday. I've just checked and there's another 7 approvals that have not gone live yet.

              Unless the blog owners have the articles set at auto approve you are going to have to wait until the blog owner approves it manually in SEOLV, then there's a delay while it sits in the waiting queue before going to the blog. It's going to vary a lot depending on your article topic, the blog owners response times and so on.

              I approved an article for one of my blogs a couple of hours ago and it hasn't arrived at my blog yet. It's still in the waiting queue. Brad did reply about this earlier in the thread.
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              • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
                Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

                I submitted 3 articles on the first day and they've been published 16 times so far. I added another yesterday. I've just checked and there's another 7 approvals that have not gone live yet.

                Unless the blog owners have the articles set at auto approve you are going to have to wait until the blog owner approves it manually in SEOLV, then there's a delay while it sits in the waiting queue before going to the blog. It's going to vary a lot depending on your article topic, the blog owners response times and so on.

                I approved an article for one of my blogs a couple of hours ago and it hasn't arrived at my blog yet. It's still in the waiting queue. Brad did reply about this earlier in the thread.
                Thank you...

                May be I need to just stay away from the stats area and go on adding more articles...
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        • Profile picture of the author Marie A
          This is quite an amazing response. Thank you very much Simon. It is a really difficult learning curve to promote a business properly and I hope to learn more each day.

          Does anyone know if it is possible to to use foreign words in the main body as well with linkvine and also use the links?

          Instead of using lets say the word 'car' I could use the French word which is 'voiture' etc.

          Once again great response.

          Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author Marie A
          I just realised what you are saying regarding long tailed keywords but am still not clear on this.

          I am talking only of Linkvine where a maximum of 3 links to site is allowed

          Do do you mean for example I would not always use the word 'Florida' in my links back to my site?

          I always do this ie 'oranges in Florida' "Best Florida Oranges" etc.

          Thanks for any responses.

          Marie
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          • Profile picture of the author essmeier
            I signed up for SEO LinkVine yesterday and just submitted my first article a few minutes ago.

            At the moment, the thesaurus feature doesn't appear to be very helpful. I put it in "aggressive" mode and it highlighted 31 words. I was unable to use any of the suggestions provided, as they simply weren't appropriate suggestions. Not only that, but the thesaurus sometimes only highlighted part of a word. For the word "unusual", the program only highlighted the word "usual" and made suggestions for replacing it with terms such as "common."

            Since I don't have any other spinning software that produces a compatible format, I ended up having to edit the entire 600 word article manually, which took about a half an hour.

            I'm waiting to see how the publishing part works. So far, however, I'm pretty disappointed in the spinner portion of the product.

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              • Profile picture of the author dotslash
                You just can't seem to have it SINK in that it doesn't matter if you spin content on the fly and make submissions easy. THAT doesn't help SEO. Ah well...The clustering is the point. Creating HUBS of content that make sense is what works. NOT a million submission locations...By the way, what that looks like is just an "improved" HyperVRE, which is ultimate crap story for people
                Hmm sounds very plausible but completely untrue in my experience,
                I've got loads of sites which are very profitable, highly ranked and have got thousands of irrelevant back links from all over the place

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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
    Hey Poker, thanks for the recommendations. As soon as I get to the office in a couple of hours I'll see what we can do about adding ALL of those. I really like the category one and that's already on our "to do" list. As is making the spinner much much better. About your question about the seolv user. I wouldn't be concerned, but we have contacted the owner and have asked him politely to change his settings. If he doesn't, we may suspend his free account. But, I honestly wouldn't be worried about it. Thanks again for the feature recommendations. We're on it. Oh, and about the speed of article publishing, it will pick up. See my post above about that. Thanks!

    Update: I'm in the office now. Spoke with developers and in a couple of hours we'll have these added:

    1. ability to paste in multiple titles (separated by a new line, so you don't have to hit the "+" symbol each time) and SEOLV will automatically insert the spin tags for you.

    2. An autosave feature, so incase something happens to your browser or you have to leave in the middle of formatting an article, it will save for you.

    3. Having the preselected categories from previous OR even previous project types wasn't something that we can add and the reason is that it would like lead to much more "off topic" content being posted on user's websites. Some users would get in a rush and publish articles to categories that weren't good fits for, just because it was fast and easy. We're really trying to give the blog owners the content they expect, and this would unfortunately not help with that. Good idea though.

    4. More to come...

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  • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
    I'm really happy with this system. Finally one that works and is very simple to use. I sent three articles on the first day and the last count they've been published 17 times in very tight niches.

    Once we get more categories and sub categories added things will improve even more. At the moment I'm rejecting more articles to my blogs than I'm accepting due to the fact my blogs are in small niches and the articles don't fit in.
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  • Profile picture of the author aaramire
    Brad,

    I just signed up and have come across a bug of sorts. When I added my websites and tried to select categories. When selecting the categories, the program doesn't recognize what I am clicking.

    For example if I open health and fitness and then proceed to select "cardio" it selects 42 categories excluding cardio. If i select "muscle" it selects about 12 categories excluding muscle.

    I submitted a ticket and hope to hear a response soon. Other than that great service for getting backlinks!
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    • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
      Originally Posted by aaramire View Post

      Brad,

      I just signed up and have come across a bug of sorts. When I added my websites and tried to select categories. When selecting the categories, the program doesn't recognize what I am clicking.

      For example if I open health and fitness and then proceed to select "cardio" it selects 42 categories excluding cardio. If i select "muscle" it selects about 12 categories excluding muscle.

      I submitted a ticket and hope to hear a response soon. Other than that great service for getting backlinks!
      I just logged in here to report the problem to Brad. The very first time I entered the site and selected the categories it worked fine. The problem started when I edited/unpublished the article. The radio buttons are going out of control.

      Hoping it'll be fixed asap or else it'll be nearly impossible to post an article, as one click selects all/many radio buttons inside the category, which is going to create problems.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by aaramire View Post

      Brad,

      I just signed up and have come across a bug of sorts. When I added my websites and tried to select categories. When selecting the categories, the program doesn't recognize what I am clicking.

      For example if I open health and fitness and then proceed to select "cardio" it selects 42 categories excluding cardio. If i select "muscle" it selects about 12 categories excluding muscle.

      I submitted a ticket and hope to hear a response soon. Other than that great service for getting backlinks!
      Hey, fixed :-) We were adding a new feature and you happened to be selecting a category at the same time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeb
    Getting the same category error as you guys. It was okay a day ago. Probably a small bug Brad has to step on.
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  • Profile picture of the author aaramire
    I received an e-mail from support stating that the issue has been fixed.
    Will double check in a bit
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  • Profile picture of the author MaxReferrals
    Brad,

    Just thought you'd want to know the article wysiwyg is buggy using IE 7.0. (Yeah, people still use that.) The wysiwyg doesn't even appear. Fine in FF.

    --Max
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary McLean
    Wow, this is one sure fire way to learn about a new tool!

    Was just reading somewhere else about why blogs are becoming our central hub for our branding efforts.

    Very clever tool here Brad...congrats!
    Yup, Blog/valuable, informative content ++/social media, ...wow!

    It's a huge new business model about to explode.
    Now I can see why Google is getting edgy, indexing Tweets etc etc...

    Exciting times ahead.

    Kindest,
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Well its not *that* new, such blog networks exists for some time already. Known names are UAW (Unique Article Wizard), AMA/MAN etc.. and now SEOLV of course
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary McLean
    Agreed.
    As a newbie getting to understand traffic sources & SEO intricacies, valuable content is always on top of the list.

    So, with a tool as efficient as Brad has made, I'm figuring he has put a "dictionary" of top quality terms inside the software (or whatever) to make it create quality new content each time it's used.

    Good info here people, keep it coming...thanks

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    • Profile picture of the author Votoshka
      I signed up for SEOLinkVine too and I've noticed a couple of issues... First, I added a blog to the network, which I made a general health related blog with a lot of potential categories (all similar to the health categories in SEO LinkVine).

      I have accepted a few articles, but what I notice happening is that when they post to the blog ALL the categories get ticked, and I have to manually go in and fix this. Is there any way around it??

      The other issue is the SEO LinkVine Ranker... now as far as I can tell it's supposed to run every 24 hours, instead mine says 21976 hours until it runs again!
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Originally Posted by Votoshka View Post

        I signed up for SEOLinkVine too and I've noticed a couple of issues... First, I added a blog to the network, which I made a general health related blog with a lot of potential categories (all similar to the health categories in SEO LinkVine).

        I have accepted a few articles, but what I notice happening is that when they post to the blog ALL the categories get ticked, and I have to manually go in and fix this. Is there any way around it??

        The other issue is the SEO LinkVine Ranker... now as far as I can tell it's supposed to run every 24 hours, instead mine says 21976 hours until it runs again!
        Hey,

        1. the category issue was fixed about 8 hours ago. Can you check again now?

        2. 2,1976 hours? Great, so that only means you'll have to wait until around Christmas for the next run. Is that a problem? hehe... Can you redownload the application right now and try again? I have a feeling you're running an old version of it. If not, please pm me and I'll get it squared away for you.

        Thanks!

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        • Profile picture of the author Votoshka
          Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

          Hey,

          1. the category issue was fixed about 8 hours ago. Can you check again now?

          2. 2,1976 hours? Great, so that only means you'll have to wait until around Christmas for the next run. Is that a problem? hehe... Can you redownload the application right now and try again? I have a feeling you're running an old version of it. If not, please pm me and I'll get it squared away for you.

          Thanks!

          Brad
          No worries Brad, Thanks for getting back to me so fast!

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  • Profile picture of the author pavionjsl
    Still have concerns long term for any links made. If LV does not own all the blogs they are a X factor long term and a integral part of the system. They will come and go and so will the links. If LinkVine owned 5000 blogs, that's good but here we are counting on people to add theirs, stay in , renew domains, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
      Originally Posted by pavionjsl View Post

      Still have concerns long term for any links made. If LV does not own all the blogs they are a X factor long term and a integral part of the system. They will come and go and so will the links. If LinkVine owned 5000 blogs, that's good but here we are counting on people to add theirs, stay in , renew domains, etc.
      That's the same with any link you get anywhere. You're never guaranteed to have a permanent link from any site. Sites come and go all the time! It's natural.
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    • Profile picture of the author TiffanyB
      I just submitted my first article last night and it was pretty easy to use although I was not really impressed with the spinner. I choose aggressive spinning and it only highlighted about 10 words out of 425 in the article. I'm not that worried about spinning as I just purchased Rapid Rewriter, which is a pretty cool spinner and will use that for my spinning instead.

      I just submitted it about 8 hours ago and one has been approved and is pending publishing right now. The keyword I am going after is not competitive at all so I am hoping I start seeing results from this soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by pavionjsl View Post

      Still have concerns long term for any links made. If LV does not own all the blogs they are a X factor long term and a integral part of the system. They will come and go and so will the links. If LinkVine owned 5000 blogs, that's good but here we are counting on people to add theirs, stay in , renew domains, etc.
      Hi, in the next several months we're hoping to release a 3rd side to SEOLinkVine where WE do own the blogs. It will be more catered to those with a larger budget, as we can only sell x memberships to this when we own the blogs themselves.

      Also, as with any article syndication service, it's important to continue writing articles and submit them. The more you are able to submit, the better. In about 2 weeks we'll be doubling the number of blogs in the system, which should help those of you that are waiting for your articles to be published. This is likely because of the topic selected. I would definitely go for a broad topic here at first, to get maximum publishes.

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  • Profile picture of the author adferger1
    Looks interresting.

    But why use Brad Callens SEOLinkVine, if we are allready useing Matt Callens MyArticleNetwork?

    I asume it is the same network, or am I wrong here, Brad?
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by adferger1 View Post

      Looks interresting.

      But why use Brad Callens SEOLinkVine, if we are allready useing Matt Callens MyArticleNetwork?

      I asume it is the same network, or am I wrong here, Brad?
      Use ALL link networks. If I could give 1 piece of good advice, I'd say sign up to as many as you can afford, whether it's seolinkvine or some other service. Start with whatever one you feel most comfortable with, and then as your rankings rise and you make more money, invest it into signing up to other networks. That is THE fastest way to move your site up in ranking.

      Brad
      P.S. No, SEOLV is not the same network of sites as myarticlenetwork or any other article syndication service.
      P.P.S. By "spinner" I'm assuming you're referring to the thesaurus. We're making major additions to the thesaurus over the next several weeks. I would suggest using Jon Ledger's The Best Spinner if you're wanting incredible article spins. Great tool.
      P.P.P.S. Publishing speed WILL increase 10 fold once we get through this huge intial surge of articles in the system due to the launch. It may be slower right now for certain topics. It will take a week or so to get through the queue of articles, but after that, things will pick up. Plus we will be doubling the network size with a big push starting next week. Thank you for your patience.
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      • Profile picture of the author robs132
        How does this compare to Link racer?

        Is there any value in link racer?
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        • Profile picture of the author Seth Stewart
          OK Brad, SEO LinkVine looks good, but I really want you to address the very relevant point posted by LinkDozer's Kristina (on ID Forum,) about how the basic concept of flooding submissions doesn't really help SEO...:

          "Oh wow man! He is like 4 years LATE with the idea. I mean there's way too many services like that and if they worked it would be nice. But it won't. Unfortunately a lot of people are going to fall for the idea because they are fed the concept over and over again. You just can't seem to have it SINK in that it doesn't matter if you spin content on the fly and make submissions easy. THAT doesn't help SEO. Ah well...The clustering is the point. Creating HUBS of content that make sense is what works. NOT a million submission locations...By the way, what that looks like is just an "improved" HyperVRE, which is ultimate crap story for people.

          He sank Keyword Elite and now seems to continue in the footsteps...

          That is what happens when you can't come up with a BETTER way of doing things..

          The very first and one of the best among these concepts was actually Chris Crompton's content spooling network. It worked at the time, but as I said, the problem is in the concept itself. So what if there is 5000 blogs you can get links from...the spinning (Blending) is NOT the solution. As [experienced IMers should] already know, it is a little bit more complex than that."

          Not to throw a wrench into this thread or the good things that have been said about your product. But she makes a good point, and it seems fair to address any shortcomings of this type of system, even if yours is the best one so far. Thanks
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          • Profile picture of the author jatchue
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            I'm glad I read this.

            The sales page said there were thousands of blogs in the network and after writing 4 articles with very little results for reposting I was getting concerned. I didn't realize how long it would take for the system to process all the traffic.

            Looking forward to lots of links.
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            • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
              Originally Posted by jatchue View Post

              I'm glad I read this.

              The sales page said there were thousands of blogs in the network and after writing 4 articles with very little results for reposting I was getting concerned. I didn't realize how long it would take for the system to process all the traffic.

              Looking forward to lots of links.
              I had the same problem yesterday when I tried to send article on a particular niche, No articles published yet. But today I tried to do an article on one of my health niche website. I posted it and within a few hours, the articles are approved in 4 and waiting to be published. Better idea would be to try writing your article around the popular categories. My guess is that we'll get lots of posts if our article is on niches like, health, business, internet marketing etc.
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              • Profile picture of the author neil_patmore
                I joined yesterday to see what it was all about. 72 hours to maybe get an article published?

                I added 20 articles and so far 14 are approved but the article list shows none are published.

                These we're all ported over from Article Ranks and the spinning syntax was read perfectly in the body. SEO linkvine couldn't read the spun titles but that's OK.

                In contrast I wrote 2 additional articles and added them both to Article Ranks and SEOLinkvine. AR has published them both 3 times and SEOLinkVine has done nothing.

                How long is this publishing delay likely to last Brad?

                Thanks.
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                • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
                  Hey Neil, likely by Monday. On top of the article backlog from launch, we were working to improve the speed of our crons to publish the articles, PLUS upgrading to a bigger server. A combination of doing both at the same time, caused an issue with the crons, causing a bigger article backlog. The crons didn't run for 12 full hours before we realized. It was just "fixed", so now are running again. But, as fate would have it, it's the end of the day on Friday and my developers leave the office in 10 minutes (5pm). So, by Monday the cron(s) should be rolling pretty good. And my guys will be back full force to make sure things are running perfectly. Hope that makes sense. Thanks a ton for your patience.

                  Brad
                  P.S. Keep on chugging away with the article submissions and it will all even out once everything settles down.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Seth Stewart
                    Simon, Neil & Spencer, thanks! Very knowledgeable responses from experienced IMers, really appreciate it.

                    I'm a little newer and wasn't even clear what "clustering" meant or why she emphasizes it so much. But you made it clear that lots of spread out BLs can drive SEO just as well as clusters, though she'd have you believe otherwise. I'm sure the quality and long-lasting-ness of links from clustered content is perhaps better, so like Simon said, good to use both, not just one or the other.

                    I'm very serious about full-time, long-term success in IM, so I appreciate her drive & focus about building that. But it's nice to know Brad's approach can work well too,'cause her stuff really is long-winded and hard to get through. Maybe someone else will do a course in her clustering approach that's less dense and easier to assimilate.

                    Meantime I'd love to hear Brad himself weigh in on this..I'm sure he's experienced in both approaches and would love to hear his take on her comments...if you're there Brad?
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                    • Profile picture of the author neil_patmore
                      Thanks Brad. I'll go type some more :-)
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                    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
                      Originally Posted by rhythm View Post


                      I'm a little newer and wasn't even clear what "clustering" meant or why she emphasizes it so much. But you made it clear that lots of spread out BLs can drive SEO just as well as clusters, though she'd have you believe otherwise. I'm sure the quality and long-lasting-ness of links from clustered content is perhaps better, so like Simon said, good to use both, not just one or the other.
                      Look , here's the deal in this business.

                      People say ****.

                      People like to be controversial.

                      She knows this, it causes people to visit her site.

                      It causes some people to think that she must have something better.

                      Trying to actually gauge , which is "better" is extremely hard to
                      determine due to a million variables, I'll edge aggregated content
                      but it's slim and one takes considerably longer to setup and maintain.

                      Unless you have an almost Jerry West mentality to testing and the
                      resources and volume of sites and control variables, you'll come up short.

                      Anybody who solely relies on one method of link building or one
                      network, is a fool.
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          • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
            Originally Posted by rhythm View Post


            "Oh wow man! He is like 4 years LATE with the idea. I mean there's way too many services like that and if they worked it would be nice. But it won't.
            Erm , it does. Not alone, no , but as part of LB stratagy yes, Brad's never claimed it's the start and end game all rolled into one.

            it doesn't matter if you spin content on the fly and make submissions easy. THAT doesn't help SEO.
            Unique content doesn't help your SEO efforts huh...

            Ah well...The clustering is the point. Creating HUBS of content that make sense is what works. NOT a million submission locations..
            Sorta agreed , both work. Her approach and individual locations, to say that one way links from different properties doesn't add value in a backlinking strategy makes no sense , all of us have seen it do exactly that.

            I take her point however that clustering content hubs is valuable, it's about having a spread of stratagies, her's is one of them.

            Just sounds like "my stuff is better than his stuff" argument to me.
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          • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
            Originally Posted by rhythm View Post

            OK Brad, SEO LinkVine looks good, but I really want you to address the very relevant point posted by LinkDozer's Kristina (on ID Forum,) about how the basic concept of flooding submissions doesn't really help SEO...:

            "Oh wow man! He is like 4 years LATE with the idea. I mean there's way too many services like that and if they worked it would be nice. But it won't. Unfortunately a lot of people are going to fall for the idea because they are fed the concept over and over again. You just can't seem to have it SINK in that it doesn't matter if you spin content on the fly and make submissions easy. THAT doesn't help SEO. Ah well...The clustering is the point. Creating HUBS of content that make sense is what works. NOT a million submission locations...By the way, what that looks like is just an "improved" HyperVRE, which is ultimate crap story for people.

            He sank Keyword Elite and now seems to continue in the footsteps...

            That is what happens when you can't come up with a BETTER way of doing things..

            The very first and one of the best among these concepts was actually Chris Crompton's content spooling network. It worked at the time, but as I said, the problem is in the concept itself. So what if there is 5000 blogs you can get links from...the spinning (Blending) is NOT the solution. As [experienced IMers should] already know, it is a little bit more complex than that."

            Not to throw a wrench into this thread or the good things that have been said about your product. But she makes a good point, and it seems fair to address any shortcomings of this type of system, even if yours is the best one so far. Thanks
            Sorry I disagree. Basic one way linking works and will work. If I am right, such basic one way linking builds the basement for all SEO and even the clusters, just that the clustering creates a stronger link value, but I believe that power can be outnumbered by simply building a massive one way linking campaign and that's the secret behind the success of SEOLV system.

            Anyway at SEOLV you're given a solid 50+ days money back guarantee. Try it and if you think it didn't work, then you will get your money back. That bold guarantee is offered only because this system works.
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          • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
            Originally Posted by rhythm View Post

            OK Brad, SEO LinkVine looks good, but I really want you to address the very relevant point posted by LinkDozer's Kristina (on ID Forum,) about how the basic concept of flooding submissions doesn't really help SEO...:

            "Oh wow man! He is like 4 years LATE with the idea. I mean there's way too many services like that and if they worked it would be nice. But it won't. Unfortunately a lot of people are going to fall for the idea because they are fed the concept over and over again. You just can't seem to have it SINK in that it doesn't matter if you spin content on the fly and make submissions easy. THAT doesn't help SEO. Ah well...The clustering is the point. Creating HUBS of content that make sense is what works. NOT a million submission locations...By the way, what that looks like is just an "improved" HyperVRE, which is ultimate crap story for people.

            He sank Keyword Elite and now seems to continue in the footsteps...

            That is what happens when you can't come up with a BETTER way of doing things..

            The very first and one of the best among these concepts was actually Chris Crompton's content spooling network. It worked at the time, but as I said, the problem is in the concept itself. So what if there is 5000 blogs you can get links from...the spinning (Blending) is NOT the solution. As [experienced IMers should] already know, it is a little bit more complex than that."

            Not to throw a wrench into this thread or the good things that have been said about your product. But she makes a good point, and it seems fair to address any shortcomings of this type of system, even if yours is the best one so far. Thanks
            Hmmm let me see...

            SEOLV allows you to spin articles and submit them to a private members blog network.

            LD allows you to spin articles and submit them to a private members blog network.

            SEOLV allows you to choose where to post your articles to keep them on topic.

            LD allows you to choose where to post your articles to keep them on topic. Unfortunately LD blogs are full of articles on many, many topics instead of specialising in one topic. For example you can have a mortgage article followed by a breast implant article on the same blog!

            To me SEOLV scores better with it's system.

            Is LD 4 years out of date too? BTW I'm a member of LD too (but not for long after this)! I don't see very little difference between either product. One is easy to use, the other requires the brains of a nuclear scientist to use. One costs $47 a month, one $97 a month. LD has a good spinner. SEOLV has an average spinner. LD has a thesaurus that takes months and months of work to set up. I haven't bothered with it because I have a life. SEOLV thesaurus is average.

            Anything else LD does is pure overkill and uses this to sell it's product as something very special and if you digress from this system you are doomed to failure.

            Yes there's plenty of sarcasm on there about Brad's product. I doubt any of them have actually used it yet. They don't know what the blog network is like or the quality of the blogs. Just guessing.

            Clustering will obviously be better. But having been a member 4 for months I have to say the blog network in LD is unimpressive to say the least and it's been going nearly a year.

            Someone refers to Brad as 'just another guru' selling a product. What does he think Kristina is doing then.

            Any network will only be as good as the members in it. If the members spin junk articles on their network it will fail. It's less likely to in SEOLV because we the blog owners can see and reject articles. In LD you can't. You have to 'report' it.

            I'd recommend trying products yourself to see what works for you. I've tried LD for 4 months and it's not been good for me. It has so much promise but it's so time consuming and difficult to work with.

            I may be back in 4 months saying the same about SEOLV, that remains to be seen! But I doubt it.
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            • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
              Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

              Hmmm let me see...

              SEOLV allows you to spin articles and submit them to a private members blog network.

              LD allows you to spin articles and submit them to a private members blog network.

              [...]
              I assume you are talking about LinkDozer? Link Dozer is way over my head, i don't even think i have the time to learn it. I wish i had. No question it is powerful, but i don't think that SEOLV and LD compare in terms of ease to use...
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          • Profile picture of the author A Bary
            Originally Posted by rhythm View Post

            OK Brad, SEO LinkVine looks good, but I really want you to address the very relevant point posted by LinkDozer's Kristina (on ID Forum,) about how the basic concept of flooding submissions doesn't really help SEO...:

            "Oh wow man! He is like 4 years LATE with the idea. I mean there's way too many services like that and if they worked it would be nice. But it won't. Unfortunately a lot of people are going to fall for the idea because they are fed the concept over and over again. You just can't seem to have it SINK in that it doesn't matter if you spin content on the fly and make submissions easy. THAT doesn't help SEO. Ah well...The clustering is the point. Creating HUBS of content that make sense is what works. NOT a million submission locations...By the way, what that looks like is just an "improved" HyperVRE, which is ultimate crap story for people.

            He sank Keyword Elite and now seems to continue in the footsteps...

            That is what happens when you can't come up with a BETTER way of doing things..

            The very first and one of the best among these concepts was actually Chris Crompton's content spooling network. It worked at the time, but as I said, the problem is in the concept itself. So what if there is 5000 blogs you can get links from...the spinning (Blending) is NOT the solution. As [experienced IMers should] already know, it is a little bit more complex than that."

            Not to throw a wrench into this thread or the good things that have been said about your product. But she makes a good point, and it seems fair to address any shortcomings of this type of system, even if yours is the best one so far. Thanks
            WTF Are you doing?

            Why you're bringing Kristina's opinion here without her permission, get here involved in a discussion and even being attacked by others while she never commented and maybe she don't know about this thread?

            If you can't understand what she says, you can ask her, not copy and paste something she posted elsewhere.
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            • Profile picture of the author Seth Stewart
              Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

              WTF Are you doing?

              Why you're bringing Kristina's opinion here without her permission, get here involved in a discussion and even being attacked by others while she never commented and maybe she don't know about this thread?

              If you can't understand what she says, you can ask her, not copy and paste something she posted elsewhere.
              Totally disagree A Bary.

              Kristina published her opinions about SEOLV in a public place...hence the word "published." And many of the things she said were a real put-down to Brad...but he didn't know about that thread, and wasn't on that forum to defend himself. Taste of her own medicine.

              Most of the people on this forum who responded here did NOT attack her, they just calmly compared the pros & cons of each program, which is exactly what the purpose of this forum is...that's why it's called IM Product Reviews & Ratings. Many of the responders have owned or at least tried both programs, and their experience and input was very helpful in making a final decision about which one will be the best fit for anyone interested in buying one of the products...once again, Product Reviews & Ratings is the forum's name, and there's no reviewing or rating a product without comparing it to other recent products with similar features. There isn't a single thread in this forum that doesn't bring up other similar programs for comparison when reviewing a new launch, you know that.

              Look back over all the posts, you'll see almost no one said anything bad about Kristina, most actually respect how deep her program goes, it's just that some said it was too deep to be useful for them even after months of study. That's not an attack, that's just good comparison shopping & reviewing.

              So WTF are you doing here?
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      • Profile picture of the author essmeier
        I would suggest using Jon Ledger's The Best Spinner if you're wanting incredible article spins.

        Am I understanding you correctly, Brad? It seems that you're saying, "Yes, we know our spinning feature doesn't work all that well, so you should buy Jon Ledger's (sic) product, too."

        I don't know that I need "great" article spins. Spins that are similar to what I saw in the demo video would be helpful, as would anything that saves me, rather than costs me, time.

        Like I said, the thesaurus recommended 31 words, or parts of words for replacement, and then failed to offer a useful suggestion for replacing any of them. That makes the feature currently useless.

        A moment ago, I pasted in an article about mortgage debt. Here are some suggestions that the thesaurus offered:

        For "seven" the thesaurus suggested "heptad."
        For "fifteen", the thesaurus offered "XV".
        For "thought", the thesaurus offered "intellection."
        For "residence, the thesaurus offered "abidance" and "mansion house."

        The thesaurus offered no suggestions for any of the main keywords of the article - loan, payments, debt, mortgage. Just stuff like suggesting that I replace "credit cards" with "recognition" "card game."

        I don't think such substitution will make for a very readable article.

        I'll keep an eye out for improvements in the thesaurus. It would be useful if the thesaurus had the ability to learn over time. As for now, it doesn't seem at all useful, and the ability to use the thesaurus to spin was promoted as one of the features of the product.

        Charlie
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        • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
          Originally Posted by essmeier View Post


          For "seven" the thesaurus suggested "heptad."
          For "fifteen", the thesaurus offered "XV".
          For "thought", the thesaurus offered "intellection."
          For "residence, the thesaurus offered "abidance" and "mansion house."

          Charlie
          Charlie, you made me LOL a little inside.

          SEOLV spinner ain't on par with TBS, (nothing is frankly) but you
          got really unlucky,with that mess.

          I've played with Link Vines spinner and it churned out a reasonable
          response on a good chunk of the article.

          I realize it's an extra cost but TBS is $77 a year and you know
          what it's soooooo good, you'll never look at article spinning in the
          same way again.

          I can hit 1 button and get about 50% uniqueness, instantly.
          Spend another 30 minutes on a 800 word document you can
          have 100% min, you can nest 4 deep if you want to and
          dam it's easy to do.

          If you pay careful attention to the snyo replacement early
          you can push the "make me 250 versions" button and I tell you
          they are almost all really readable, it's frankly daft.

          He could charge $200 per month for that and it would be worth it.

          Unless Brad incorporates the TBS api or plageurises the shared
          database concept Jon's does, the built in LV one will never be on par.

          I would just go blast $77 bucks, sit back, and laugh at how
          easy it is to now have a gazillion articles in 1 hour.

          Then plumb those into LV and you've got the best of both worlds.
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  • Profile picture of the author remodeler
    For me, the thesaurus has proven to basically be useless for the 10 articles I've submitted so far. Very few of the suggestions fit at all. If it had the capability of the the best spinner then this would be an over the top app.

    That said, I still like this program and glad I signed up. I'm looking forward to the many positive changes Brad has said will be implemented. Right now it is simply seems to be going through some growing pains with the backlog of unapproved article submissions and needing to have many more blogs in the system.
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  • Profile picture of the author njaad
    Wanted to check some reviews about this product, and all I got was this thread of whiners. Anyway, I'll check it out for myself. Thank you very much.
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  • Profile picture of the author msoon2k
    hey guys, i just signed up.

    How much are you guys spinning? one sentence 3 times plus internal word spins? or are you guys doing the UAW type paragraph spins?

    From watching the video, the examples look under-spun. Advise anyone?
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    • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
      Originally Posted by msoon2k View Post

      hey guys, i just signed up.

      How much are you guys spinning? one sentence 3 times plus internal word spins? or are you guys doing the UAW type paragraph spins?

      From watching the video, the examples look under-spun. Advise anyone?
      I am using The Best Spinner for spinning, you can get a 7 day trial for $7. Try it, you'll save lots of time and the spin job will be the best.
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    • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
      Originally Posted by msoon2k View Post

      hey guys, i just signed up.

      How much are you guys spinning? one sentence 3 times plus internal word spins? or are you guys doing the UAW type paragraph spins?

      From watching the video, the examples look under-spun. Advise anyone?
      Is that right about UAW? No wonder I stopped receiving their articles to my blogs, there were so many duplicates. Spinning a paragraph isn't enough then.

      I spin the paragraph, then the sentences, the words too. Takes 45 minutes to an hour and you get really high uniqueness and 100's of articles from it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
        Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post


        I spin the paragraph, then the sentences, the words too. Takes 45 minutes to an hour and you get really high uniqueness and 100's of articles from it.
        Same.

        This is my process, if it helps anybody.

        1) Manual spin of the paragraph structure and position, some tidying up
        to ensure a contiguos feel to the content.
        Time for 800 word article, approx 15 mins.

        2) TBS to manual sentence spin.
        Time for 800 word article, approx 25 mins.

        3)I then hit the good old "replace everybodies favorites" button, or as I like
        to call it the "do all this crap for me button". Normally gives me about 45%
        uniqueness out of the box.
        Time for 800 word article , approx 20 seconds.

        4) I then use the preview field of the actual article in TBS and make sure
        the syno replacement makes sense in every part of the article, get this
        wrong and you'll end up with a good awful mess in the last step.
        Time For 800 word article, approx, 15 minutes.

        5) I then go through and do all the missing syno replacements, that the
        replace everybodies favorites didn't deal with.
        Time for 800 word article, approx 30 minutes.

        6) I push the "make me a crap load of this article button" and set it to
        250 copies.

        I get up and do something else, due to extreme tedium setting in.

        However I just created 250 almost utterly unique highly themed
        and readable articles, which even get accepted to ezine.

        Spinning should not equate to crap content, it should just be different
        ways of saying the same thing. There is zero reason with the
        technology kicking about now to have these ludicrous pieces
        of content out there which look like a dyslexic blind non English
        speaker stuck pins in a dictionary and hoped for the best.

        You can short cut many elements above but you'll end up with a result
        that ain't as good , surprise surprise.

        Make sure that every sentence makes perfect sense with the
        syno replacement and you're gold.
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  • Profile picture of the author Musa_Aykac
    Hey guys I will give the thumbs up to SEOLV

    I am a big fan of this service and MAN

    In my opinion the more of these networks a person uses the better, simply because they all have different sites in the network.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I have deep respect for the coder of LD, she must be such a hardcore geek. But its just such a steep learning curve.

    As for those networks like SEOLV and articleranks...i wish that many people sign up and also add good sites to them to make any/both of those networks top notch!
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    dotcomdesigns: i think he's just stirring things up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
    I can't wait till the middle of the month when I can finally join SEOLV
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    • Profile picture of the author Seth Stewart
      Brad, about to buy SEOLV, just checking about Macs?

      I know most SEOLV is web based and so will work on Windows or Mac, but I heard that the stand-alone analytics/rank-checker module and other parts may not be Mac-compatible, please advise.

      Seriously, I'm excited to buy SEOLV...the only reason I thought of passing on your new product is because you had a notice on the Keyword Elite order page that said you were working on a Mac version and would have it up in about 45 days. That notice stayed the same for AGES, never updated, plus you emailed me twice it was going to come, and it NEVER came. I don't give a s**t what anyone says about, "Mac owners make up only 10%, so developers don't have to pay attention to them." Mac owners are some of the most devoted computer people in the world, and are definitely deserving of your attention.

      OK sorry for that rant. It just really tweaked me that you never delivered on your KE Mac promise, and if I'm going to buy your SEOLV, I want to make sure I'm going to be taken care of. Show me some MacLove!
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Hey Rhythm, the MAC version of KE 2.0 has been available for quite some time. Maybe 5 or 6 months now. I emailed out about it, but maybe it went to your junk mail. Not sure?

        As for the rank tracker in SEOLV, yeah, it's an exe. We've had a couple people ask for a MAC version of the rank tracker, so will likely get to it in the next couple of months. The main priority now is publishing speed and increasing the size of the blog network. The rank tracker for MAC is definitely on the "to do" list though.

        Thanks.

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        • Profile picture of the author Seth Stewart
          Thanks Brad. Sorry to scold about Mac KE when you actually DID deliver...you're right, I somehow never got the memo. But I get that you are truly trying to satisfy Mac customers too, and I really appreciate that.

          Until there's a Mac version of SEOLV's Rank Tracker, I'm assuming I can run it on my Mac in VirtualPC or Parallels, correct?
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    SEO is really good way to do this work.I am also doing the same thing for my website.You can get good links from seo.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Hey Rhythm, no worries. Email stinks sometimes. About the rank tracker, I'm assuming you could, but I don't know for sure. I can count with my hands the number of times I've used the MAC in our office. I'm a rookie for sure.
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