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Hi all,

Did some of you do a beta-test on Brad Callens new tool; SEO-LinkVine.


Any comments on this product ?

Thanks, BR LASSE
#linkvine #seo
  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    I'd like some info too. As far as I can see, it's a clone of AMA (Article Marketing Automation).

    No bad thing if it is as AMA seems to me to have lost steam. It never really recovered from removing the right to search by keyword IMHO and I found far too many spammy articles placed in the wrong categories.

    I'm trying out the UAW Wizard at the moment but not getting many articles sent through. If you're not in the IM niche, it's hard to find good content this way.

    Pearson



    Nb AMA and My Article Network mentioned by Dexx are the same thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    I was able to get early access into the program as I wanted to start seriously looking at article marketing as a way to boost offline client websites to the first page of Google at a more reliable/easy rate.

    I signed up with UAW and MyArticleNetwork, and then after hammering Brad with questions, was able to also gain access to SEO Linkvine before the "official" opening (mind you a limited amount of users had already been able to pay to access it early also)

    Essentially Brad took what he liked and found powerful in the other networks (as far as features), but also added the features he thought were horribly absent (the built in keyword rank tracking system etc. are amazing) and put them into work with his OWN private network community of websites (not literally just sites he owns, but other blgo sites etc. that aren't part of the MAN/UAW network)

    So far I'm already seeing my articles showing up in Google and its only been a couple days, so that's great in my eyes as this gave me an early head start even vs the MAN and UAW articles.

    I can see the confusion being the 10,000+ blog network comparison, making everyone think they are the same network, but from what I can tell they are not...or at least Google seems to be finding SEOLV articles pretty fast (as I wrote similar articles for the other sites)

    All in all I'd have to rank them:

    1) SEO Linkvine
    2) Unique Article Wizard
    3) MAN

    and POSSIBLY ArticleRank in there, but I haven't fully tested it out yet, so I can't really comment.

    Hope that helps!

    ~Dexx
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  • Profile picture of the author vitavee
    Like Dexx I also got early access to SLV.

    I'm a self confessed blog network geek, I think I have tried pretty much all of them.

    I have SLV for about 2 weeks now and I have submitted articles every single day (well actually not during the week ends)

    Before I give you my impressions look at MY stats (screenshot taken from the members area)


    Yes... that's about 3,000 blogs publishing my articles and 1,000+ are still pending for approval.

    That's really good, especially knowing that more blogs will be added to the system when it will go live, each member will have the possibility to submit their own blogs to get fresh content.

    I personally only use SLV to get backlinks so this is mainly what I have played with during those 2 weeks.

    In my articles (that are all spinnable) I have added at least 1 non spinnable sentence, just to be able to find where they would be posted.

    I have been very happy to see the quality of the blogs in the network - I have several PR2, PR3 or even PR4 backlinks.

    With time I suppose the network is going to become even stronger.

    It's very easy to submit articles, I prefer it over the other networks, I find it faster. One feature that I liked is that we can select several categories at once by using check boxes while in other networks lile MAN you would have to submit several times the same article to select different categories.

    The stats are easy to read, we can see how many times each article has been published as well as having a general overview.

    As Dexx said there is also the rank checker that is very useful, so you don't have to go to google each time to check all your keywords/rankings.

    At the price it's going to launch I really think it is a wise investment - much more affordable than other networks and I find it better too!

    Vita Vee
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    thanks for the reviews guys, i am looking forward to this also. I am impressed by those tracking and stats features and the price looks very "civil" also. If my instincts are right this looks like it might become very good - early reviewers and testers in the beta seem to confirm this!
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  • Profile picture of the author remodeler
    This does look good especially with results from those stats. Does it have the ability to set the number of submissions per day like UAW? Also...I must have missed seeing it, but what is the monthly fee?
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    • Profile picture of the author vitavee
      Originally Posted by remodeler View Post

      This does look good especially with results from those stats. Does it have the ability to set the number of submissions per day like UAW? Also...I must have missed seeing it, but what is the monthly fee?
      Yes it does, it is the "Max requests per day" field:



      I have posted a non-hyped indepth review on my blog at euserreviews dot com with a lot of screenshots.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    james, articleranks is an industry leader? I dont know..but i had the impression its more a "smaller" system by one of our warriors? Make no mistake, i USE it and i love it..its very good. Just didnt know its already considered industry leading...
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  • Profile picture of the author excoder01
    I'm using this service as an autoblog on one of my website -- I only selected 'Sprituality' and I got some unrelated blog posts...like Piano lessons???
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    • Profile picture of the author Dexx
      Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

      I'm using this service as an autoblog on one of my website -- I only selected 'Sprituality' and I got some unrelated blog posts...like Piano lessons???
      Like any blog network, some people will select tags unrelated to the content just to get mass distribution, this is why I set my blogs (that receive content) to manual approval.

      If you are just looking for content tho, and don't want to have to approve every post that comes in, then you can just set it to auto-accept and delete ones that come in that don't fit.

      ~Dexx
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

      I'm using this service as an autoblog on one of my website -- I only selected 'Sprituality' and I got some unrelated blog posts...like Piano lessons???
      Hi. This is because we've not yet officially launched... Launch is the 27th. It will add hundreds of thousands of articles to the system.

      more articles = more related content to your site

      The content side of SEOLV will improve MAJORLY every single day after we launch Tuesday. That part is the easy part.

      Brad
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      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

        Hi. This is because we've not yet officially launched... Launch is the 27th. It will add hundreds of thousands of articles to the system.

        more articles = more related content to your site

        The content side of SEOLV will improve MAJORLY every single day after we launch Tuesday. That part is the easy part.

        Brad
        i want in now And then i want to outrank you for some of your own keywords
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    • Profile picture of the author mistyone
      Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

      I'm using this service as an autoblog on one of my website -- I only selected 'Sprituality' and I got some unrelated blog posts...like Piano lessons???
      I have found the same, receiving articles that aren't related to the topic selected. I am pleased I set them to be approved or I would have to be deleting quite a number of articles.

      I actually don't understand how these articles end up being selected to be published. I wondered if it is the doing of the people selecting which category they will be publishing their article in, not being careful or whether they are choosing a category to make sure they get more coverage, who knows, only conjecture on my part :p

      I am also a member of AMA and I would receive emails to tell me there were articles to be approved which were definitely more in topic but SEOLinkVine doesn't let you know that there are articles waiting for your approval. I have to remember to log in to see if there is anything waiting to be reviewed.
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Ok, 2 things to address here:

        1. Ben: The "sandbox" is essentially something that happens to websites that are link building in a way that doesn't appear natural. For example, to go back on the topic discussed earlier in this thread (i.e. is it better to get links from web 2.0 sites than from article marketing)
        - answer: No, it's not better. Reason being, it doesn't look natural if that is all you are doing. In all of my experience, it's not about the total number of links you get, but rather the consistency that you get those links. If you get 50 links on day 1, get 50 links on day 2, day 3, day 4, etc... AND switch up your anchor text constantly. Use anchor text in some links. Don't use anchor text in others. The goal is to keep things natural and the whole sandbox thing won't be anything to worry about. We actually have 65,000+ links to the site now. If you're only getting 2 links a day, it's going to take you years to rank highly for competitive keywords. Don't listen to whoever told you that :-)

        2. Misty: Regarding the articles that were off topic. Dexx and I already addresses that question in this thread. Please read through the entire thread again. We haven't launched SEOLinkVine yet... The articles you're seeing on your site are from beta users only. "The total number of articles added daily will increase by 1000x (probably much more than even that) after this Tuesday. More articles = more relevancy." Good suggestion about the email notification. I thought this was already in place, but I will double check tomorrow morning when I get into the office. Thanks! :-)

        Brad
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        • Profile picture of the author ben565
          Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

          Ok, 2 things to address here:

          1. Ben: The "sandbox" is essentially something that happens to websites that are link building in a way that doesn't appear natural. For example, to go back on the topic discussed earlier in this thread (i.e. is it better to get links from web 2.0 sites than from article marketing)
          - answer: No, it's not better. Reason being, it doesn't look natural if that is all you are doing. In all of my experience, it's not about the total number of links you get, but rather the consistency that you get those links. If you get 50 links on day 1, get 50 links on day 2, day 3, day 4, etc... AND switch up your anchor text constantly. Use anchor text in some links. Don't use anchor text in others. The goal is to keep things natural and the whole sandbox thing won't be anything to worry about. We actually have 65,000+ links to the site now. If you're only getting 2 links a day, it's going to take you years to rank highly for competitive keywords. Don't listen to whoever told you that :-)Brad
          Thanks for the detailed response,btw it was keith baxter who said to only send 2-3 backlinks daily for new sites.
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          • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
            Originally Posted by ben565 View Post

            Thanks for the detailed response,btw it was keith baxter who said to only send 2-3 backlinks daily for new sites.
            Keith is very smart and a friend of mine. He must have been referencing some specific example where that would have been the case. I know he gets more than 2 links a day.

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            • Profile picture of the author ntnsllc
              Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

              Keith is very smart and a friend of mine. He must have been referencing some specific example where that would have been the case. I know he gets more than 2 links a day.

              Brad
              Yeah, perhaps he was saying you should only generate a few blog comment or forum links per day...because if you used a bot to build 500 forum post links or blog comments in one day, you're likely to get sandboxed! For example, how many links do you think Gizmodo got the day they broke the next gen iphone story? Were they sandboxed? The probably got 100's or 1,000's of links all in 24 hours' time. Yet those links were from so many different sources, it looked natural, so they're not penalized. case closed.
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    • Profile picture of the author cindyt
      I too am using it to receive articles and the articles are not only non-related a lot of the time, the articles will be posted in more than one category on one site, creating duplicate posts
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Originally Posted by cindyt View Post

        I too am using it to receive articles and the articles are not only non-related a lot of the time, the articles will be posted in more than one category on one site, creating duplicate posts
        Hi Cindy, please read my previous posts regarding this and the new feature we're adding in the next couple of days. The off topic articles won't be a problem. You, as a blog owner will be able to request specific topics/articles to be written for you, and can specify how many you want written... An article writer will then accept the work and write your article for your site (and they would of course receive their backlinks inside the article)

        Thanks

        Brad
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    maybe someone tagged posts wrong? possible...
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  • Profile picture of the author LasseKohau
    Thanks for all your comments to this thread,

    BR LASSE
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexissalaam
      Hi Guys

      How is this comparable to link Dozer I understand that SEOLV has
      a blog network but doesnt google put more weight on 2.0 authority
      sites what I'm saying is quality over quantity I think Link dozer submits
      to 2.0 sites can somebody enlighten me on this.

      Alexis
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I can safely assume that LD is about 1000x harder to learn, its a BEAST and almost too much for me even.

    Having not seen SEOLV, but i am pretty sure it works like your typical blog network distribution, you submit articles, select categories, can SPIN them etc.... about 1000x more straight forward and easier to use than LD. I would really need to spend a month just learning how to use LD right.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexissalaam
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      I can safely assume that LD is about 1000x harder to learn, its a BEAST and almost too much for me even.

      Having not seen SEOLV, but i am pretty sure it works like your typical blog network distribution, you submit articles, select categories, can SPIN them etc.... about 1000x more straight forward and easier to use than LD. I would really need to spend a month just learning how to use LD right.
      Hey George

      I understand LD is harder to learn but the main question is all that quantity
      in SEOLV gonna serve you well compared to the Quality of LD or is the quality and quantity the same for both.

      Alexis
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  • Profile picture of the author John34
    Great review Vita, BTW many many articles you submitted in those 2 weeks?
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    • Profile picture of the author vitavee
      Originally Posted by John34 View Post

      Great review Vita, BTW many many articles you submitted in those 2 weeks?
      Thanks John.

      Are you talking about the small review I posted here or the in-depth one I published on my blog?

      Yes I submit a lot of articles I'm also using some other networks so it's really a lot of daily submissions.

      I'm just using 1 "Ultra Spinnable Article" per day but in the membership area of this service we can generate thousands of unique "Regular spin ready articles" from just 1 ultra spinnable one.

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      @pearsonbrown About the quality of the blogs - I have found many PR2 to PR4 blogs from the SLV network linking back to my pages.

      Of course there are also many PR0 blogs and also a lot of blogs with no PR at all (these are probably new domains).

      I have sent an email a few minutes ago to Brad with a good suggestion to automatically build backlinks from relevant content to ALL the blogs involved in the SLV network.

      I have good hope that Brad will integrate this, Brad your thoughs?

      Vita Vee
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  • Profile picture of the author pavionjsl
    The thing that sticks in my mind was the offer of a 1.00 to put a blog in the system. If a large % of blogs are in the system are owned by someone else, they could leave or just lose or stop taking care of the blog. Keeping links built , live and growing is the goal on the effort. If all the blogs are privately owned , that is one thing, but just getting articles for their sites and changing what they are doing later and scraping the content put into a blog network concern me.
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    We have other threads about LD where it would be more appropriate for you to post this.

    However, don't confuse 'complicated, confused and difficult to learn' with 'quality'. In another thread, you'll find an LD user complaining about the low quality of some of the blog posts within the LD system. There seems to be the same complaint made of all these systems and it would be interesting to hear how Brad intends to maintain quality posts within his system.

    Pearson
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexissalaam
      Originally Posted by pearsonbrown View Post

      We have other threads about LD where it would be more appropriate for you to post this.

      However, don't confuse 'complicated, confused and difficult to learn' with 'quality'. In another thread, you'll find an LD user complaining about the low quality of some of the blog posts within the LD system. There seems to be the same complaint made of all these systems and it would be interesting to hear how Brad intends to maintain quality posts within his system.

      Pearson
      Thanks Pearson

      But I'm not talking about the quality of the post I'm talking
      about the quality of the sites VS 2.0 sites which LD seems
      to be doing more of.

      Alexis
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Hi Alexis, which would you rather have? 50 links from the same 2.0 website OR 50 links from 50 different sites owned by different people? My answer is, I'd rather have BOTH... but if I had to choose 1, in general I'd MUCH rather have 50 unique IP links.

        The problem with only 2.0 submitting is over time it doesn't look natural at all to Google. they see you have 20,000 links all from the same 50, 2.0 websites...

        The goal is to make things look as natural as possible.

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        • Profile picture of the author Alexissalaam
          Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

          Hi Alexis, which would you rather have? 50 links from the same 2.0 website OR 50 links from 50 different sites owned by different people? My answer is, I'd rather have BOTH... but if I had to choose 1, in general I'd MUCH rather have 50 unique IP links.

          The problem with only 2.0 submitting is over time it doesn't look natural at all to Google. they see you have 20,000 links all from the same 50, 2.0 websites...

          The goal is to make things look as natural as possible.

          Brad
          Hi Brad

          straight from the man himself, I do agree with you I'd rather have both but your point is taken. I knew it's hard to control every bodies post to make sure you get good quality, but I'm starting to make a few bucs now and I just want to make sure I spend the money wisely.

          Thanks for getting back to me.

          Alexis
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          • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
            Hey Alexis, no problem. Once you start getting higher rankings, which will lead to more money in your pocket, I'd highly suggest on using all of the article syndication networks, as well as well... basically all of the various ways to get backlinks. The more variation you can have, the better. That's the best way to make things appear completely natural. Don't rely on just one :-)

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            • Profile picture of the author Alexissalaam
              Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

              Hey Alexis, no problem. Once you start getting higher rankings, which will lead to more money in your pocket, I'd highly suggest on using all of the article syndication networks, as well as well... basically all of the various ways to get backlinks. The more variation you can have, the better. That's the best way to make things appear completely natural. Don't rely on just one :-)

              Brad
              Hi Brad

              What are some of the article syndication networks a small list
              would be great.

              Alexis
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              • Profile picture of the author TiffanyB
                I may be missing on the website or maybe it hasn't been revealed yet, but does anyone know what the membership cost to SEOLinkvine is every month?
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                • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                  Originally Posted by TiffanyB View Post

                  I may be missing on the website or maybe it hasn't been revealed yet, but does anyone know what the membership cost to SEOLinkvine is every month?
                  According to the listing in CBEngine, it's going to be $47 a month.
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                  • Profile picture of the author ben565
                    In the seovine video 28 900 backlinks were sent over 3 months,how are you not getting sandboxed by google?

                    i was told that you should never send anymore than 2-4 backlinks per day
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Brad,

    question:

    Is this a fixed network with a set number of blogs or are the blogs by the users themselves (therefore dynamic)?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dexx
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Brad,

      question:

      Is this a fixed network with a set number of blogs or are the blogs by the users themselves (therefore dynamic)?
      Dynamic, as new users join up and add their blogs, there will be more blogs to post content on (in regards to the related niches they represent)
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    Ben, the big thing is consistency if you want to avoid the Sandbox.

    Most people, when they first get started, will blast out 100+ links to site within the first 2 days...and then send 3-5 backlinks a day after that...

    Which seems suspicious to Google!

    So if you don't think you can maintain a constant stream of links, then its best to keep it looking normal and very minimal.

    Now if you can do, like Brad did, and submit articles frequently so that a constant stream of new backlinks (with varying anchor keywords) keep flowing to the site, then it looks like the site is "popular" and "liked" by Google and they won't hate it.

    Otherwise every news-related issue would be an instant sandbox and nobody would use Google (i.e. Michael Jackson's death had the whole internet spiking...but main of the news site articles were being linked to for days/weeks to come as they kept the interest of the public)

    Make sense?

    ~Dexx
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    Just wanted to chip in on the review:

    I was glad that I'm in the beta version. I did a test of Brad's system where I am reviving a website that is somewhere in page 3 rankings.

    It has been in page 3 or 4 for 5-6 months and I did nothing else to it.

    I changed the website from blog to pure HTML page, submitted a spinned article to SEO Link Vine ONLY. No other backlinks activities.

    Started the test on 19 April 2010, I had 23 articles published so far, and this website is currently sitting at #10 place.

    A big jump from 30+ position.

    Conclusion? It's good, go get it!
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  • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
    Hey Brad, How much is SEO Linkvine going to cost?
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Hey, $47/month during launch. And likely $97+/month after launch. I wanted to keep the price really low for the initial launch to not limit who could afford it. After launch, the price will likely increase to slow down the number of new users, so we can focus on adding current user feature requests etc. quickly.

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  • Profile picture of the author Zeb
    Brad,

    At $47 it seems like a good bargain. Count me in. Btw how long is the launch price going to last?

    Oh and i hope that you will monitor sites that are submitted into the network to maintain the quality of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
    $47p/m to gain access to another well controlled network combined
    with a back end interface with stats, spinning and a cherry on the top
    in the form of what appears to be an integrated Market Sam lite rank checker.

    Pretty much no brainer territory really at this money.

    I'll be having a good play and will report back.
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    • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
      Having watched all 3 videos SEOLV certainly looks impressive enough. I appreciate it has a spinner in it Brad, but can we import spun article templates we have created using the best spinner for example?

      I'm assuming as long as we have { | } in the right places we're good to go?

      Phil
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

        Having watched all 3 videos SEOLV certainly looks impressive enough. I appreciate it has a spinner in it Brad, but can we import spun article templates we have created using the best spinner for example?

        I'm assuming as long as we have { | } in the right places we're good to go?

        Phil
        Can one of you guys email send me a sample "best spinner" article and I'll let you know. My guess is yes, as we've tried to integrate other spinners to be accepted, but I don't know without talking to my developers tomorrow morning. If not, I'm sure we could make it happen. Thanks.

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        • Profile picture of the author digsea
          Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

          Can one of you guys email send me a sample "best spinner" article and I'll let you know. My guess is yes, as we've tried to integrate other spinners to be accepted, but I don't know without talking to my developers tomorrow morning. If not, I'm sure we could make it happen. Thanks.

          Brad

          very impressed with SE0LinkVine.com and Brad's commitment to improving it frequently. I've been using it for just over 2 weeks now. I would like to be able to import my spun articles from Rapid Rewriter. It doesn't seem to accept them properly even though it uses the { | [ symbols?
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  • Profile picture of the author buckapple
    Hi,

    My question also about importing "the best spinner".

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    • Profile picture of the author Dexx
      Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

      Having watched all 3 videos SEOLV certainly looks impressive enough. I appreciate it has a spinner in it Brad, but can we import spun article templates we have created using the best spinner for example?

      I'm assuming as long as we have { | } in the right places we're good to go?

      Phil
      Originally Posted by buckapple View Post

      Hi,

      My question also about importing "the best spinner".

      Gary
      I use TBS and yes it does work with SEOLV (just get the uniqueness up prior to submission)

      ~Dexx
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    TBS {utilizes|uses|produces} {standard|normal} jet spinner syntax.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Faber
    Brad,
    It looks pretty good to me too. Count me in. Link building by hand is just too tedious, although I'll continue to do it, this would sure speed things up. Launch price seems right too.

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  • Profile picture of the author ProfitCoach
    It looks like SEOLV will be a good tool/network... if you use it.

    Regarding spinning... does it really matter other than being able to vary your anchor text and/or url? For instance, even with a large amount of spinning done to an article will version 1 be much different than version 2 because won't version 2 simply be 99% the same as version 1 because it only spins the first spin item it comes to?

    Brad, maybe this is a feature that could be implemented to take it to the next level in SEOLV... come up with a way to spin one article into a group of articles that are a minimum % different from each other? For example... 1000 versions are created from a spin and 38 articles are a minimum 68% different from each other?

    Maybe this is just WAY too advanced of an idea or not even necessary... I don't know.

    But there is Copyscape so I'm sure a comparison engine of some sort could be built that could pull this off. I guess the process would take version 1 and find the next version that will be the minimum percentage different (let's say it's a variable and say 68%) that happens to be version 38... then it continues to find the next version that is at least 68% different than version 38 and when it does it also double checks the minimum difference with version 1 as well... and so on and so on until you get X amount of articles that are INDEED different and subsequently submitted to the network.

    It's late, my brain hurt thinking about and typing out that solution... I'm out!

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    • Profile picture of the author vitavee
      Originally Posted by ProfitCoach View Post

      Regarding spinning... does it really matter other than being able to vary your anchor text and/or url? For instance, even with a large amount of spinning done to an article will version 1 be much different than version 2 because won't version 2 simply be 99% the same as version 1 because it only spins the first spin item it comes to?
      Yes it does matter but it depends on how you spin your articles.

      I don't want to go off topic since this thread is about SEOLinkVine and not spinning but spinning is a very important part of getting the most out of any submission tool.

      Just a few things you have to keep in mind when you prepare your articles for submission:

      From my testings the 30% minimum level that is often recommended is NOT enough anymore.

      You should aim to have at least 50% uniqueness. Search engines are getting smarter and can spot spun content very easily if you only replace words with synonyms.

      For example:
      I have {bought|found|purchased} {some good|very good|excellent|tasty} {fruits|apples|oranges|vegetables|potatoes} {today|yesterday|this morning}.
      An article spun that way is not going to give any good result for several reasons:

      1/ The resulting articles will have the exact same number of sentences
      2/ Each sentence will have the exact same meaning (synonyms/related terms are known by the search engines)
      3/ Each sentence will have approximately the same number of words

      It's very easy to detect this, even for a bad programmer And this is how the majority of people is doing it (and the reason why so many say that spinning article doesn't work).

      Now you have to spin at the sentence level + at the paragraph level to get long lasting results.

      Actually the further you go from the individual words for your spinning the more powerful it is.

      Look:

      If you spin by words, the overall structure of the article is exactly the same, same sentences except synonyms/related terms that are easy to detect.

      If you spin by sentences, the structure of the article is still the same but the length of the sentences become different, and we're not using synonyms that are so easy to detect, instead we reformulate the meaning of the sentence and the grammatical structure of the sentence itself is different. Spinning by sentence is > spinning words.

      If you spin by paragraphs, the structure of the article becomes different - it's becoming very difficult for a programmer to find that both variations of a same paragraph are similar. The number of sentences is different, the organisation of the sentences is different.

      If you spin by articles, you have the best uniqueness level and this is exactly like writing different articles. This is why I said the further you go from the individual words the more unique it is.

      Originally Posted by ProfitCoach View Post

      Brad, maybe this is a feature that could be implemented to take it to the next level in SEOLV... come up with a way to spin one article into a group of articles that are a minimum % different from each other? For example... 1000 versions are created from a spin and 38 articles are a minimum 68% different from each other?

      Maybe this is just WAY too advanced of an idea or not even necessary... I don't know.
      Hey John, that's an excellent idea! That would be awesome if Brad could have this integrated so the most unique versions would be submitted first to the network.

      I would love it
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      • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
        Originally Posted by vitavee View Post

        Yes it does matter but it depends on how you spin your articles.
        Good post VV.

        "G" getting smarter , you have to think they are going to catch up in a big way with basic spinning in the not to distant future.
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        • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
          Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

          I can safely assume that LD is about 1000x harder to learn, its a BEAST and almost too much for me even.

          Having not seen SEOLV, but i am pretty sure it works like your typical blog network distribution, you submit articles, select categories, can SPIN them etc.... about 1000x more straight forward and easier to use than LD. I would really need to spend a month just learning how to use LD right.

          I agree with you George! I left LD after 2 days of playing around, a powerful spinning system, even more advanced than SEOLinkVine, but too much work and too hard to outsource!

          Plus $97 / month which Brad provide similar or better service here, I think SEOLinkVine sure worth the money.


          Originally Posted by vitavee View Post

          Thanks John.

          @pearsonbrown About the quality of the blogs - I have found many PR2 to PR4 blogs from the SLV network linking back to my pages.

          Of course there are also many PR0 blogs and also a lot of blogs with no PR at all (these are probably new domains).

          I have sent an email a few minutes ago to Brad with a good suggestion to automatically build backlinks from relevant content to ALL the blogs involved in the SLV network.

          I have good hope that Brad will integrate this, Brad your thoughs?

          Vita Vee

          That's a good indication that Brad is monitoring those blogs and constantly adding more private sites to increase the quality of blogs!

          Your suggestion of adding more auto backlinks is great, if Brad do that to all blogs he owned, should greatly increase the backlink value! I do wish Brad will continue to increase backlinks to the network, that would give each link more juice!

          I got access to SEOLinkVine a week before, and I love this new network; I am confidence with Brad himself, that's why I'm promoting SEOLinkVine too, hopefully in a week or two we will continue to receive more positive feedback from the users!

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        • Profile picture of the author wrays
          Many times, I find myself very lazy to spin my article but after reading Simon's post, I think I should start spinning again...
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          • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
            Originally Posted by wrays View Post

            Many times, I find myself very lazy to spin my article but after reading Simon's post, I think I should start spinning again...
            I use TBS, ok, it takes a while, but i spin almost EVERY word now before i submit. Its tedious but worth it, simply tab-tab-tab til you are trough, usually spin them to 300% unique

            >>
            The title of the article is 1050% rewritten, and the body is 341% rewritten.
            This preview of your article consists of 599 words.

            >>


            The amazing thing is, every version is really quite readable.
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            • Profile picture of the author wrays
              Hi George, what is TBS?
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              • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
                Originally Posted by wrays View Post

                Hi George, what is TBS?
                The Best Spinner

                Horribly good.
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                • Profile picture of the author vitavee
                  Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

                  Good post VV.

                  "G" getting smarter , you have to think they are going to catch up in a big way with basic spinning in the not to distant future.
                  Thanks Simon

                  Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

                  The Best Spinner

                  Horribly good.
                  For those who don't want to invest in the "The Best Spinner" I have recorded a short video (about 2 minutes and a half) to show how the integrated content spinner in SEOLinkVine works (I apologize for my strong French accent ):


                  It's just word spinning though, no software can spin for you at the sentence and even less at the paragraph level, but it's a nice added feature anyway.

                  Vita Vee
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                  • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
                    Originally Posted by vitavee View Post

                    Thanks Simon



                    For those who don't want to invest in the "The Best Spinner" I have recorded a short video (about 2 minutes and a half) to show how the integrated content spinner in SEOLinkVine works (I apologize for my strong French accent ):

                    YouTube - SEOLinkVine - Content Spinner

                    It's just word spinning though, no software can spin for you at the sentence and even less at the paragraph level, but it's a nice added feature anyway.

                    Vita Vee
                    Cheers,

                    It's evidently a pretty decent built in spinner, not quite on par with the user generated insane coolness of TBS but solid , none the less. Will do the job nicely for most folks and it's free.
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      • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
        Brad - Does your system handle nested spinning, such as:

        {I really {despise|hate} cats|I truly {love|want to play with} {dogs|canines } }

        If yes, how many levels deep will it spin?
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        • Profile picture of the author vitavee
          Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

          Brad - Does your system handle nested spinning, such as:

          {I really {despise|hate} cats|I truly {love|want to play with} {dogs|canines } }

          If yes, how many levels deep will it spin?
          Yes it does. I have submitted articles that had 2 spinning levels.

          Something like { { A1|A2|A3}|{B1|B2|B3 } }

          I have just tried with 4 levels and it seems that the variations at level 3 and level 4 are never picked.

          I don't know if it's a bug or if it is limited to 2 levels though.

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        • Profile picture of the author sarahstaar
          I had 35 sites baned/deindexed by google after using brute force seo EVO2, so i am looking for something new.

          SEO Link vine looks good. What is the OTO?


          Anyone here had any solid results or first page listings as a result of using SEO Linkvine?
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          • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
            Originally Posted by sarahstaar View Post

            I had 35 sites baned/deindexed by google after using brute force seo EVO2, so i am looking for something new.
            Really? Not to change topics, but I was looking at EVO2 on Friday. Why do you think you got banned? Is EVO overly aggressive or were you personally to aggressive using it (no offense)?
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
              Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

              Really? Not to change topics, but I was looking at EVO2 on Friday. Why do you think you got banned? Is EVO overly aggressive or were you personally to aggressive using it (no offense)?
              That's sort of funny, because many (including me) consider it pretty weak. none of the truly automated systems out there work, IMHO. They are almost universally too buggy, and pretty much never deliver as promised. Then again, you can sure make a boatload as an affiliate of EVO, lol.
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            • Profile picture of the author sarahstaar
              Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

              Really? Not to change topics, but I was looking at EVO2 on Friday. Why do you think you got banned? Is EVO overly aggressive or were you personally to aggressive using it (no offense)?

              EVO2 works quite well for old sites over 1 year old, i had some good results.

              I put up 40 new adsense sites all with 5 - 10 pages of unique content, not trash.

              All sites had the
              keyword in the domain name
              privacy policy, contact us, about us pages
              main keyword only had 10,000 competition

              after my first run with evo on these sites a lot of them were not in the top 100 in Google, I asked support about this and they said i had to run the software every 3 to 4 days.

              So i did this for 3 months then one day 35 of the sites were de indexed!!

              I know this was overly aggressive but i was only doing what support told me to do...

              I am going to sign up to linkvine today...
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              • Profile picture of the author sarahstaar
                Originally Posted by jamestan81 View Post

                I have similar experiences and I think your sites are being SANDBOXED, not deindexed...they will come back "someday" :rolleyes:

                Web2.0 profiles are very POWERFUL as they can rank or drown your webpages easily...

                The key is to do it consistently spreading a small number of links every few days..

                I have many webpages being sandbox due to web2.0 profiles backlinks but they come back stronger when I continue building backlinks and varying the anchor text..

                Now I am very careful when comes to web2.0 profiles backlinks...The key is consistency..
                i don't think they are sandboxed.

                if i do a search site:www. mysite.com no sites are returned in Google.
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                • Profile picture of the author mrizos
                  Hi Brad. A few "pre-buying" questions:

                  - Do you have an approx count on the number of blogs now?
                  - Are the subjects diversified...(not all "losing weight" blogs).
                  - What's the minimal word count?
                  - Are there any benefits (besides content) to submitting a blog to the network (I've got dozens)?

                  Thanks Brad.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
                    Originally Posted by mrizos View Post

                    Hi Brad. A few "pre-buying" questions:

                    - Do you have an approx count on the number of blogs now?
                    - Are the subjects diversified...(not all "losing weight" blogs).
                    - What's the minimal word count?
                    - Are there any benefits (besides content) to submitting a blog to the network (I've got dozens)?

                    Thanks Brad.
                    Hey, sure thing :-)

                    1. As of right this very second there are 11,132 (edit: I take that back. There are 11,132 "Wordpress" blogs. I forgot to count the other sites like Joomla etc, which I'm guessing is somewhere in the neighborhood of 4,500) blogs in the network. Next week we'll be starting a small piece of a major initiative to hopefully double this in a month's time. (James: Great idea about the dynamic number on the homepage showing the total blog count. I'm adding that to my long list of "to do's" for SEOLV)

                    2. Yeah, there's a good mix of all types of blogs. We don't really have control over which topics are amongst the blogs. It all depends on who registers for the free content. As time goes by, things will only get better for both sides of SEOLV.

                    3. I believe 300. I typically keep mine around 550 words and never below 500.

                    4. Starting next week, likely/hopefully Tuesday, yes, there will be a major benefit. That's about all I can say for now about that though.

                    Hope that helps! Have a nice Sunday.

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                    • Profile picture of the author mrizos
                      Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

                      Hey, sure thing :-)

                      1. As of right this very second there are 11,132 blogs in the network. Next week we'll be starting a small piece of a major initiative to hopefully double this in a month's time. (James: Great idea about the dynamic number on the homepage showing the total blog count. I'm adding that to my long list of "to do's" for SEOLV)

                      2. Yeah, there's a good mix of all types of blogs. We don't really have control over which topics are amongst the blogs. It all depends on who registers for the free content. As time goes by, things will only get better for both sides of SEOLV.

                      3. I believe 300. I typically keep mine around 550 words and never below 500.

                      4. Starting next week, likely/hopefully Tuesday, yes, there will be a major benefit. That's about all I can say for now about that though.

                      Hope that helps! Have a nice Sunday.

                      Brad
                      Thanks Brad, great info there. I forgot to ask my main question...srry:

                      Can our anchored text links be anywhere in the article?

                      I usually just place 2 anchored phrases (that have nothing to do with the article content) at the bottom of the article.

                      I rarely promote what the article is about...just trying to get some links.

                      Is that OK with you guys?
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                      • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
                        Originally Posted by mrizos View Post

                        Thanks Brad, great info there. I forgot to ask my main question...srry:

                        Can our anchored text links be anywhere in the article?

                        I usually just place 2 anchored phrases (that have nothing to do with the article content) at the bottom of the article.

                        I rarely promote what the article is about...just trying to get some links.

                        Is that OK with you guys?
                        You can have links anywhere in the article. Whether the blog owner will accept links at the bottom of an article to a site that's unrelated remains to be seen. Personally I wouldn't.

                        I prefer to publish articles with links to sites that are on topic. I think Google will prefer this that's why. Maybe I'm wrong.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
                          Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post


                          I prefer to publish articles with links to sites that are on topic. I think Google will prefer this that's why. Maybe I'm wrong.
                          Is EZA about 1 niche? How about Go Articles, ArticlesBase, Squidoo, etc? I think people get way to hung up with what's on topic and what isn't.
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                          • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
                            Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

                            Is EZA about 1 niche? How about Go Articles, ArticlesBase, Squidoo, etc? I think people get way to hung up with what's on topic and what isn't.
                            Sorry I don't get your point. We're talking about relatively small blogs (which are usually one theme specific) sending or receiving links between each other. Not huge article directories with zillions of categories, pages and topics!

                            Google have stated numerous times that links from other sites that are relevant will have more weight than links that are not. A site about photography will gain more value from a link from a camera product site than one about mortgages.

                            This isn't my view, just what Google pushes on various channels. Maybe it's crap! But I'll keep rejecting articles that point links to unrelated blogs for now just to be on the safe side!
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                            • Profile picture of the author Tom Goodwin
                              In my experience, yes, its pure crap:rolleyes:

                              In any even, if Google did consider relevance (which i'm not sure they do), they would care about the relevance on that particular page (not the relevance of that entire domain). Basically, if this so-called relevancy thing is out there:rolleyes:, it is determined on a page basis, not a domain basis.

                              In any event, don't you think a homepage link from CNN would give any of your sites a huge push, no matter what niche they are on? I'll take that link any day of the week, even to my site about poodles

                              Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

                              Sorry I don't get your point. We're talking about relatively small blogs (which are usually one theme specific) sending or receiving links between each other. Not huge article directories with zillions of categories, pages and topics!

                              Google have stated numerous times that links from other sites that are relevant will have more weight than links that are not. A site about photography will gain more value from a link from a camera product site than one about mortgages.

                              This isn't my view, just what Google pushes on various channels. Maybe it's crap! But I'll keep rejecting articles that point links to unrelated blogs for now just to be on the safe side!
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                              • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
                                Hey Mr. Marketer, I'll try and answer as best I know:

                                1. Just looking at the stats now and the range is anywhere from 0 to 6.

                                2. In my experience, I think the best combination is both. High PR and bulk. So, I go after both. To get the high PR links, I typically just contact high PR sites manually and try to strike deals of some sort. You can get some really high PR sites through article syndication, and other linking methods, but the "best" wat to get those really high PR links is just good old deal making with the site owner. To get the bulk links, I'll use ALL syndication and link networks that I know about. Plus all the other web 2.0 link building stuff etc. All the things I'm sure you know about.

                                3. SEOLV syndicates your articles to blogs, not article directories. But, yes, I absolutely submit to blogs, article dirctories, website directories and pretty much anything you can imagine.


                                Hey Jack, and here's the answers to your questions:

                                1. I go with over 500 because 550 seems to be the norm. No real reason other than that. For EzineArticles and other article directories, I know a lower number like 350 or so is ideal, because you're going for the click (in your signature), but for article blog syndication networks, you're not necessarily going for the click, and definitely not the click in the signature, because there's usually not a signature.

                                2. 300 word articles probably still help just as well as 500. It's more a matter of writing GOOD content, rather than worrying about the word count. Since I don't write my own articles for any other subject besides IM stuff, 550 is basically just the guidelines I give to our content guys/gals, so they have something to shoot for while writing their quality content.

                                3. Yes, we allow spinning in the title and the body (there is no set position for a summary or a resource box). Yes, you can use unlimited nested spinning. Regarding the gradual or scheduled submissions, it's all syndicated naturally over time, as blog owners accept and decline content. So, there isn't necessarily a need to schedule or slow down the submissions. We're basically automating a natural process that would normally occur between an article directory and a webmaster wanting content from that article directory.

                                The main thing with SEOLV and submitting content is to submit GOOD content that would better whatever niche you're serving. Google is smart, so if you're writing crappy content just to get links, they'll eventually catch on to what you're doing. If you're writing good content to help your niche and the link(s) are the secondary reward for your time, then you're building a lasting business. Of course this is just my personal opinion and I'm sure others might disagree and that's cool :-)

                                Whew, ok, hope that helps.

                                Brad
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                                • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
                                  Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

                                  The main thing with SEOLV and submitting content is to submit GOOD content that would better whatever niche you're serving. Google is smart, so if you're writing crappy content just to get links, they'll eventually catch on to what you're doing. If you're writing good content to help your niche and the link(s) are the secondary reward for your time, then you're building a lasting business. Of course this is just my personal opinion and I'm sure others might disagree and that's cool :-)

                                  Whew, ok, hope that helps.

                                  Brad
                                  I hope that our articles are going to go on blogs that are equally good. One of my articles which has taken a couple of hours to create and spin has just been posted on what can only be an automated blog. It's using the basic WordPress theme and has tons of articles from every subject under the sun.
                                  It's still got the blogroll and meta links from a new installation and yep 'hello world' is the first post which would confirm that the owner of the blog has probably never touched it.

                                  A link from a blog like this is worthless. It's looks like a blog farm or spammy to say the least. Hopefully this is a one off. I wouldn't want my articles to go to blogs like this regularly!

                                  It's a pity that we can't control where our quality articles go but I know this is not possible unless I go back to Link Dozer!

                                  I would agree that the articles I'm receiving are really good quality and I guess the writers are really making an effort on this end. Brad, don't let it be ruined by junk auto blogs
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                                    Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

                                    It's a pity that we can't control where our quality articles go but I know this is not possible unless I go back to Link Dozer!

                                    I would agree that the articles I'm receiving are really good quality and I guess the writers are really making an effort on this end. Brad, don't let it be ruined by junk auto blogs
                                    Nice idea :-) The problem would be that everyone would "fight" for rights to a specific blog if everyone got to choose manually. But, I'm sure there's something that can be done to give priority to specific users based on "something", so everything is equal. Give us a few months and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with all the positive changes/additions.

                                    Brad
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
                                      Update: On day 3, the two articles I submitted to SEOLinkvine is already published 23 times. And... It's not monday yet, can't wait to see the extra publishings from monday onwards.

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                                    • Profile picture of the author Palo Coyote
                                      Hi Brad,
                                      I'm became one of your "publisher blogs" a few weeks ago. I got in too late to be a contributing writer. Your program, SEO Linkvine is quite good. I've published about 21 articles so far, and they're also quite good. We are in the Cooking/Recipe Niche, not MMO, or IM and the articles are well done.

                                      Q: Will your people be checking the "publisher blogs" to make sure they are of at least a 'good' quality. dotcomedesigns found a publisher blog that was of dubious quality. My blogs are all the Thesis Theme, that's a $164 theme and the same one Matt Cutt's uses. I don't expect everyone to use a paid theme, but I would hope that the blogs meet some medium 'quality control.' I know it would be a PIA the check 4,000 blogs, but when I sign up this week, I really don't want my articles going out on a blog that was thrown up so quickly the 1st post is 'Hello World'. I really hope you ask for some standards for the blogs that will be publishing our material.

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                              • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
                                Originally Posted by Tom Goodwin View Post

                                In my experience, yes, its pure crap:rolleyes:

                                In any even, if Google did consider relevance (which i'm not sure they do), they would care about the relevance on that particular page (not the relevance of that entire domain). Basically, if this so-called relevancy thing is out there:rolleyes:, it is determined on a page basis, not a domain basis.

                                In any event, don't you think a homepage link from CNN would give any of your sites a huge push, no matter what niche they are on? I'll take that link any day of the week, even to my site about poodles
                                Of course it would. But that ain't gonna happen and if it does it'll brief

                                Anyway the network we're discussing are smallish blogs with zero to low pr. I'd rather have 100 links from on topics sites than 100 random off topic sites

                                There are a load more variables and I expect this effect from this is fairly small either way.
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                  • Profile picture of the author chestmary
                    Hi,

                    Can Brad or a subscriber tell me where the info on using LinkVine with outsourcing is

                    Thanks
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                    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
                      Originally Posted by chestmary View Post

                      Hi,

                      Can Brad or a subscriber tell me where the info on using LinkVine with outsourcing is

                      Thanks
                      Mary
                      Sure thing. After you login. It's under the "profile" page (On the top right).

                      Brad
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Originally Posted by sirtiman View Post

        My blog got banned using SEO Linkvine.
        Dotcomdesigns: What he means is his subdomain on HisBlog.wordpress.com got turned off because they won't allow automated content. It doesn't have anything to do with Google or search engines.

        Sirtiman: Hi, If you're serious about your business I strongly suggest downloading the open source Word Press version from wordpress.org and install it on your "own" server so you don't have to rely on a third party who could do whatever they want with your site.

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    • Profile picture of the author zonk
      John,

      What you're basically talking about is integrating what DupeCop Spun does. So if Brad wanted to integrate the minimum percentage uniqueness feature Dupecop Spun would be a great tool to check out.
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    • Profile picture of the author oiewuf
      I just joined SEO link vine a few days ago, and submitted my first article on Wednesday. Very cool program and I'm excited to see the results.

      I had a question for you in regards to article spinning. Should I spin variations of my anchor text in my articles to make it look more natural? For example: Boston Widgets, boston widgets, Boston widget, widgets in Boston

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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Yes i know its off-topic, but also "somewhat" related to the subject.

    Funny i had the same thoughts today about spinning,whether the search engines are actually smart enough and know the synonyms.

    Makes sense that more complex spinning (sentences, paragraphs) would be better.

    BUT....if we use articles to distribute to OTHER sites (as in blog networks like seolinkvine et al..) does it actually matter (for us)? [I know it matters for the sites who want unique content]

    What i mean is, let's take a simple example:

    I have an article linking to my site, and i submit the article to article directories (or blog networks for distribution). So even if my article would appear 1:1 unchanged on other article directories or sites...it is hardly to imagine that it "hurts" *my* site if my article is syndicated, as is so often the case eg. by submitting to ezine articles etc. Everyone and their mom is taking articles from such directories and re-uses them.

    What hurts would be the site in question since it has duplicate content, but not my site. I would still benefit from the link to my site?

    I cannot see google "penalizing" a site because many other sites (re-)use that content and link back to the site....in fact, it should be an indication that the site where the article is from is quite an authority since so many use that article? So, for the one distributing and wanting backlinks, spinning MIGHT not be so crucial.
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    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Yes i know its off-topic, but also "somewhat" related to the subject.

      Funny i had the same thoughts today about spinning,whether the search engines are actually smart enough and know the synonyms.

      Makes sense that more complex spinning (sentences, paragraphs) would be better.

      BUT....if we use articles to distribute to OTHER sites (as in blog networks like seolinkvine et al..) does it actually matter (for us)? [I know it matters for the sites who want unique content]

      What i mean is, let's take a simple example:

      I have an article linking to my site, and i submit the article to article directories (or blog networks for distribution). So even if my article would appear 1:1 unchanged on other article directories or sites...it is hardly to imagine that it "hurts" *my* site if my article is syndicated, as is so often the case eg. by submitting to ezine articles etc. Everyone and their mom is taking articles from such directories and re-uses them.

      What hurts would be the site in question since it has duplicate content, but not my site. I would still benefit from the link to my site?

      I cannot see google "penalizing" a site because many other sites (re-)use that content and link back to the site....in fact, it should be an indication that the site where the article is from is quite an authority since so many use that article? So, for the one distributing and wanting backlinks, spinning MIGHT not be so crucial.
      There is NO dupe penalty, fact.

      At least not in the sense that multiple identical copies of an article linking back to you will hurt your positions, that's just syndication, end off story.

      However and people have different theories on this and some will even argue it doesn't exist but if you post the same article 1000 times with a link back to your site, you ain't getting the link juice you would from 1000 unique pieces of content linking back to you.

      If this wasn't true, think how easy it would be to spam any site to number 1 without issue. We could be number 1 for "credit cards" within 2 weeks if Google didn't care that all the content linking back to our site was indentical.

      Certain folks will tell you on this forum that a link is a link is a link, that you can simply send out the exact same article 10,000 and every link in that article back to you will count at full value. I call hogwash but can't be bothered to argue with them, the thought that Google is that stupid boggles the mind.

      The other camp who agree spinning is vital are then split into variations of exactly why you don't get the same love from the same article posting back to you 10,000 times.

      Brad's thought process which he explains in the launch videos for SEOLV is about on par with how I and many others see it, worth watching those videos. We can argue semantics, but his explanation tallies with common sense.

      All I know is from extensive testing that Google for the most part ignores the exact same content as far as link value goes.

      There's nothing wrong with identical content syndication, nada, zilch, it's worth doing for various reasons all of which have been expressed a thousand times on this forum.

      But put it this way.

      Go send your article out in it's original format to 1000 sites, and then type in a unique search string of that article, you'll see at best Google allows maybe 20 versions of it, it will pick which site sit feels offers the most relevance and trust and allow those listings.

      The rest, it will dump into the supplemental.

      Now if Google doesn't think enough about that contents value to bother putting it in front of its' users, why do people feel it's going to allow every link from those 1000 identical articles to have the same value it would if it was coming from unique content? Do people really think Google is this daft? It's not going to penalize you for it, not at all, no way, but its' not going to welcome you with open arms and try and french kiss you either.

      Truth is, people can try this out for themselves.

      Send the same content out to 1000 sites, link back to your money site and see how much it moves..

      Now get 1000 articles of different content linking back to you and see the difference.

      My 2 cents..
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      • Profile picture of the author wrays
        WOW! Simon... that's definitely worth more than 2 cents... to me, it's worth more than a crappy $27 WSO.... thank you!

        Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

        There is NO dupe penalty, fact.

        At least not in the sense that multiple identical copies of an article linking back to you will hurt your positions, that's just syndication, end off story.

        However and people have different theories on this and some will even argue it doesn't exist but if you post the same article 1000 times with a link back to your site, you ain't getting the link juice you would from 1000 unique pieces of content linking back to you.

        If this wasn't true, think how easy it would be to spam any site to number 1 without issue. We could be number 1 for "credit cards" within 2 weeks if Google didn't care that all the content linking back to our site was indentical.

        Certain folks will tell you on this forum that a link is a link is a link, that you can simply send out the exact same article 10,000 and every link in that article back to you will count at full value. I call hogwash but can't be bothered to argue with them, the thought that Google is that stupid boggles the mind.

        The other camp who agree spinning is vital are then split into variations of exactly why you don't get the same love from the same article posting back to you 10,000 times.

        Brad's thought process which he explains in the launch videos for SEOLV is about on par with how I and many others see it, worth watching those videos. We can argue semantics, but his explanation tallies with common sense.

        All I know is from extensive testing that Google for the most part ignores the exact same content as far as link value goes.

        There's nothing wrong with identical content syndication, nada, zilch, it's worth doing for various reasons all of which have been expressed a thousand times on this forum.

        But put it this way.

        Go send your article out in it's original format to 1000 sites, and then type in a unique search string of that article, you'll see at best Google allows maybe 20 versions of it, it will pick which site sit feels offers the most relevance and trust and allow those listings.

        The rest, it will dump into the supplemental.

        Now if Google doesn't think enough about that contents value to bother putting it in front of its' users, why do people feel it's going to allow every link from those 1000 identical articles to have the same value it would if it was coming from unique content? Do people really think Google is this daft? It's not going to penalize you for it, not at all, no way, but its' not going to welcome you with open arms and try and french kiss you either.

        Truth is, people can try this out for themselves.

        Send the same content out to 1000 sites, link back to your money site and see how much it moves..

        Now get 1000 articles of different content linking back to you and see the difference.

        My 2 cents..
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeb
    Well the debate can go well into the night for spun articles and it's effectiveness. But personally i think that unique articles from different site/blog ip's linking to your site beats duplicate articles from different ip's linking to your site. Simplified.
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  • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
    Yep just spinning words won't cut it these days. Google has a $100 billion budget pays the best money for the most intelligent people on earth to work for them and we IM's beat them with a bit of spinning. I don't think so!

    I rewrite each paragraph once, each sentence within each paragraph three times and spin words within sentences. Takes me 45 minutes to an hour but I get 100% uniqueness every time and end up with 100's and 100's of UNIQUE articles for an hours work at most.

    So my question earlier has been answered, thanks. I can put this in SEOLV which is great news.

    One final point on spinning is that I have blogs where I took UAW articles. But they were poorly spun and I kept on getting the same articles over and over with very little difference. Having dupe content on your site is not a good thing, I think we all agree about that!

    In the end I pulled UAW articles from my blogs as I felt they were doing more harm than good. I'll do the same if the articles from SEOLV do the same. Hopefully the articles will be unique enough to warrant being used on my blogs. I know for sure that my articles to SEOLV will be top quality!!
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    • Profile picture of the author chini
      Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

      One final point on spinning is that I have blogs where I took UAW articles. But they were poorly spun and I kept on getting the same articles over and over with very little difference. Having dupe content on your site is not a good thing, I think we all agree about that!

      In the end I pulled UAW articles from my blogs as I felt they were doing more harm than good. I'll do the same if the articles from SEOLV do the same. Hopefully the articles will be unique enough to warrant being used on my blogs. I know for sure that my articles to SEOLV will be top quality!!
      Yeah this is extreamly important, this is why a good network works well when the articles that are submitted are at least 70%+ unique, and decent quality. This attracts better quality websites to the network, thus increasing the quality of backlinks. This is why its also essential to submit great content, because the high quality your content the better back-links you will get. Also the more traffic you will receive.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    I think the best spinner might not be the best after all - check out the magic article rewriter, they had a powerful auto spin library that work almost as good as contentboss.
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  • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
    Brad - is there going to be a limit on the number of posts per day? The number of sites promoted?

    I'm just wondering if I'm promoting multiple sites, at what point is one account not enough?
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    • Profile picture of the author vitavee
      Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

      Brad - is there going to be a limit on the number of posts per day? The number of sites promoted?

      I'm just wondering if I'm promoting multiple sites, at what point is one account not enough?
      Good question. I would love to know this too.

      So far I have submitted up to 10 articles in 1 day without any warning or error.

      I hope it is unlimited
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Hey guys,

        1. Currently it's unlimited articles. It will stay that way unless we run into problems :-)
        2. Regarding the nesting of levels 3 and beyond, I just double checked with my developers and they said the parser works in a recursive algorithm, so if you input 1,000,000 levels deep, they'll get picked just as with 1 or 2 levels deep. You'll just need to make sure all the {} are in the right place. Vita, if you're 110% sure they were in the right place, would you mind shooting me an email with a short video to show me? Thanks!

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        • Profile picture of the author vitavee
          Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

          Hey guys,

          1. Currently it's unlimited articles. It will stay that way unless we run into problems :-)
          2. Regarding the nesting of levels 3 and beyond, I just double checked with my developers and they said the parser works in a recursive algorithm, so if you input 1,000,000 levels deep, they'll get picked just as with 1 or 2 levels deep. You'll just need to make sure all the {} are in the right place. Vita, if you're 110% sure they were in the right place, would you mind shooting me an email with a short video to show me? Thanks!

          Brad
          Ok I'll double check later today.
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  • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
    Brad - here is a 6 level deep example that works correctly (I built my own spinner about 8 years ago, before someone leaked the idea of spinning)

    {A1 {B1 {c1 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c2 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c3 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } } } }|b2 {c1 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c2 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c3 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } } } }|b3 {c1 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c2 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c3 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } } } |A2 {B4 {c1 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c2 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c3 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } } } }|b5 {c1 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c2 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c3 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } } } }|b6 {c1 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c2 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c3 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } } } |A3 {B7 {c1 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c2 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c3 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } } } }|B8 {c1 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c2 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c3 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } } } }|B9 {c1 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c2 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } |c3 {d1 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d2 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } }|d3 {e1 {f1|f2|f3}|e2 {f1|f2|f3}|e3 {f1|f2|f3 } } } } } }

    Hint Hint: spinning isn't just for articles... it is great for web pages too!
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  • Profile picture of the author vitavee
    Hey Poker, great, thanks for the free ultra spinnable article

    I have just tried it and it works well. Here are some variations I'm getting:

    A3 B7 c1 d3 e2 f3
    A1 B1 c2 d1 e1 f3
    A3 B8 c1 d3 e3 f2

    So I messed up somewhere when I tried it myself
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  • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
    00:00:22:48 to the grand opening. I'm getting chills
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  • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
    VitaVee, those imbalanced brackets are a b*tch. I used to have a script that checked for them and highlighted the block of code with the bad balance in red, but now with nested brackets, I just haven't been able to get my head around it.

    So for {A {1|2|3 |B {1|2|3 } } it is obvious to us that there is a bracket missing after the first 3... OR did we mean that B {1|2|3} was the 4th option of the first nested spin, which case, we're missing the close of the outside bracket. :confused::confused::confused:

    That's the hard part of error checking when there is nesting. Even if I flag the start of the first imbalance, that would be {A, which I guess gives some indication, but really you need a clean spinner that just shows you the result of your spin, spot the first stray bracket and back track.
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    • Profile picture of the author DavidParton
      Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

      VitaVee, those imbalanced brackets are a b*tch. I used to have a script that checked for them and highlighted the block of code with the bad balance in red, but now with nested brackets, I just haven't been able to get my head around it.

      So for {A {1|2|3 |B {1|2|3 } } it is obvious to us that there is a bracket missing after the first 3... OR did we mean that B {1|2|3} was the 4th option of the first nested spin, which case, we're missing the close of the outside bracket. :confused::confused::confused:

      That's the hard part of error checking when there is nesting. Even if I flag the start of the first imbalance, that would be {A, which I guess gives some indication, but really you need a clean spinner that just shows you the result of your spin, spot the first stray bracket and back track.
      TBS has a feature when you try to spin.It tells you that the brackets are imbalanced and it leaves the cursor at the last working spot so you can find the error rather easily
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
    Awesome. Thanks Poker. And good to hear it's working Vita. I'm looking forward to connecting with the members a week or so after we go live, to gather feature additions. That's the part I love about the internet marketing group. There are so many smart people all willing to help each other out.

    Brad
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    • Profile picture of the author Marty S
      You cannot tell me this is different software than MAN. It looks exactly the same.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2020034

      This service has been around for awhile, so Brad, is there reason to change to SEOLinkVine?
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Originally Posted by Marty S View Post

        You cannot tell me this is different software than MAN. It looks exactly the same.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2020034

        This service has been around for awhile, so Brad, is there reason to change to SEOLinkVine?
        Hi Marty, the process is very similar because it works and we're all familiar with it. At the beginning of this thread, I listed the current major differences from network to network. Reinventing the wheel is never a good idea. Taking what already works well and making it better is my goal with anything that we create. I still use ALL link networks because they're good and they work. With SEOLV, our goal is to raise the bar to another level by taking what I know about SEO, combined with "constant" feedback from users.

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        • Profile picture of the author chini
          Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

          With SEOLV, our goal is to raise the bar to another level by taking what I know about SEO, combined with "constant" feedback from users.

          Brad
          Hopefully the network can remain high quality. Most networks deteriorate over time because of a lapse of quality control over content and sites. Hopefully you have strict rules to ensure the quality is maintained consistent and improves over time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeb
    Ok i just signed up. There was a bonus for the first 25 signups. Did i make the bonus Brad?

    Now to take it for a spin...
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by Zeb View Post

      Ok i just signed up. There was a bonus for the first 25 signups. Did i make the bonus Brad?

      Now to take it for a spin...
      Hey Zeb, pm me and I'll set you up, on me :-) The first 25 sold in < 60 seconds.

      Brad
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      • Profile picture of the author Zeb
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

        Hey Zeb, pm me and I'll set you up, on me :-) The first 25 sold in < 60 seconds.

        Brad
        Replied via pm.

        And the problem about logging in is all sorted out now.
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  • Profile picture of the author usfemail
    Just purchased SEO linkvine; however I can not seem to log into my account? Please help so I can begin using it to build backlinks.

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by usfemail View Post

      Just purchased SEO linkvine; however I can not seem to log into my account? Please help so I can begin using it to build backlinks.

      Thanks
      Hi, I don't think you created an account after you purchased :-)

      After you purchase, you'll see this screen:

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      Please email purchasereceipts AT gmail.com and Charlie will set you up as fast as he can. Actually... If you email quickly, I'll check that account and manually set you up myself.

      Thanks!

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      • Profile picture of the author AJsVRE
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

        Hi, I don't think you created an account after you purchased :-)

        After you purchase, you'll see this screen:

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        Please email purchasereceipts AT gmail.com and Charlie will set you up as fast as he can. Actually... If you email quickly, I'll check that account and manually set you up myself.

        Thanks!

        Brad
        Brad, the same thing happened to me. I got to the screen in the screenshot you posted, clicked on the link to create an account. Did so, and when I clicked on "Submit articles and get links" it took me to the sales page.

        How I got access after paying -

        I went to my email and opened the clickbank receipt email. There was a part that said:
        TECHNICAL SUPPORT

        If this was a digital product and for some reason you did not receive access to
        the product after payment, please try again by following this link now:
        (MY LINK WAS HERE)
        and clicked on the that link. When I did that, it finally said my premium account has been updated and I had full access.
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        • Profile picture of the author remodeler
          Originally Posted by AJsVRE View Post

          Brad, the same thing happened to me. I got to the screen in the screenshot you posted, clicked on the link to create an account. Did so, and when I clicked on "Submit articles and get links" it took me to the sales page.

          How I got access after paying -

          I went to my email and opened the clickbank receipt email. There was a part that said: and clicked on the that link. When I did that, it finally said my premium account has been updated and I had full access.
          That worked! I just did it and can now submit articles. Very strange...
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          • Profile picture of the author AJsVRE
            Originally Posted by remodeler View Post

            That worked! I just did it and can now submit articles. Very strange...
            Cool, glad it worked for you too. It was strange, but I figured it was just one of those "launch" things!
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        • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
          Originally Posted by AJsVRE View Post


          How I got access after paying -

          I went to my email and opened the clickbank receipt email. There was a part that said: and clicked on the that link. When I did that, it finally said my premium account has been updated and I had full access.
          Cheers, this worked.
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          • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
            Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

            Cheers, this worked.
            Cool. Yeah, we auto-updated everyone we could so most everyone should be automatically "fixed" :-)

            There will still be a few that it didn't auto-update for. If that's you, please email us at purchasereceipts AT gmail.com . I'm logged in there now along with my support guys and we'll make sure to set you up as fast as possible!

            Sorry for the hassle. All new purchases should be just fine now, though.

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            • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
              Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post


              Sorry for the hassle. All new purchases should be just fine now, though.

              Brad
              No worries, **** happens.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marty S
      Ok Brad, fair enough. I took the plunge as well.





      Originally Posted by usfemail View Post

      Just purchased SEO linkvine; however I can not seem to log into my account? Please help so I can begin using it to build backlinks.

      Thanks
      I cannot log in either. Set up account, then tried to login but the software is saying no account or wrong un/pw. Got a bad loop going on here.
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Hey Marty, we're on it. Apparently the auto-redirect after the launch timer hit 00:00 caused the registration script to get jacked up. Go figure. Always happens...

        Anyway, we're on it. Should be fixed in < 2 minutes...

        Email purchasereceipts AT gmail.com and I'll monitor it and manually set you up. Sorry about that!

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  • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
    Anybody else have issues with the order process?

    Payment went via CB fine, ended up on page saying, you do not have an account so register here.

    Did that, ended up logged in but.. with no access.

    When I click uploading articles etc, I'm taken back to a payment option screen.

    Only me ?
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    • Profile picture of the author remodeler
      Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

      Anybody else have issues with the order process?

      Payment went via CB fine, ended up on page saying, you do not have an account so register here.

      Did that, ended up logged in but.. with no access.

      When I click uploading articles etc, I'm taken back to a payment option screen.

      Only me ?
      I'm having the same issues Simon. Registered my acct and logged in. I try clicking on submit articles and just keep getting the sales page. I sent in a support ticket. Hopefully, it can get resolved pretty quickly.
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  • Profile picture of the author usfemail
    Finally I am in; now its time to test and play.
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  • Profile picture of the author vitavee
    Congratz to all the new users

    Don't forget to submit some blogs too so we can get more backlinks
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  • Profile picture of the author vitavee
    And if possible when you add a new blog to the system try to setup some autolink process to have backlinks created to all your new fresh content (ping.fm is your friend)
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  • Profile picture of the author vitavee
    Hey Warriors,

    I'll give one free Ultra Spinnable Article to the first 3 SEOLV customers who PM me
    No matter if you purchased it from my affiliate link or not.

    Just a gift to support Brad's SEOLinkVine

    Make sure that you send me your CB receipt!

    PS: If you don't know what an Ultra Spinnable Article is, look at my sig!

    UPDATE

    Offer not available anymore The 3 spots have been taken.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    Hey Vita,

    I left a comment recently in your USA WSO when you get a chance to check it out.

    Thnx!

    ~Dexx
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Trotts
    I cannot order for some reason.. won't navigate to checkout for some reason. Think this may be on my end.. but i've been trying since the second the launch email hit my gmail. m
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  • Profile picture of the author remodeler
    I've looked at the videos, but can't seem to find what the word count should be for your articles. Does anyone know the limits?

    Brad, this is a nice tool. Clean interface and easy to get around.
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  • Profile picture of the author excoder01
    On my autoblog, I notice some folks do not even put an anchor link in their article at all.

    Now, what would be the purpose? They're not getting backlinks for not having links in their articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
      Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

      On my autoblog, I notice some folks do not even put an anchor link in their article at all.

      Now, what would be the purpose? They're not getting backlinks for not having links in their articles.
      Nice, no outbound links while still get content!

      I think they miss it, push the publish button too fast....better double check before publishing!
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    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
      Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

      On my autoblog, I notice some folks do not even put an anchor link in their article at all.

      Now, what would be the purpose? They're not getting backlinks for not having links in their articles.
      Do they have ANY links, even un anchored or simply no links at all ?
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      • Profile picture of the author excoder01
        Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

        Do they have ANY links, even un anchored or simply no links at all ?
        An article with no links at all. Not even a "please check out mydomain.com"

        Well, that's good for me then since my autoblog will look less spammy and more content oriented.
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    • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
      Originally Posted by excoder01 View Post

      On my autoblog, I notice some folks do not even put an anchor link in their article at all.

      Now, what would be the purpose? They're not getting backlinks for not having links in their articles.
      That might be me! My spun articles are so complicated that I can't work out where to put the links to make sure I get one out in the article. You can only have 3 but this isn't enough for me if I've spun paragraphs plus 3 sentences and words.

      I keep getting warnings saying I've added too many if I stick in a forth!

      Anyway my articles are coming out at 100% uniqueness and occasionally I'm going to have one without a link.
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      • Profile picture of the author vitavee
        Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

        That might be me! My spun articles are so complicated that I can't work out where to put the links to make sure I get one out in the article. You can only have 3 but this isn't enough for me if I've spun paragraphs plus 3 sentences and words.

        I keep getting warnings saying I've added too many if I stick in a forth!

        Anyway my articles are coming out at 100% uniqueness and occasionally I'm going to have one without a link.
        The "rewrite percentage" is not the uniqueness level of your article. If it says 100% it means that all your words have at least 1 variation.
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        • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
          Originally Posted by vitavee View Post

          The "rewrite percentage" is not the uniqueness level of your article. If it says 100% it means that all your words have at least 1 variation.
          It's 'the best spinner' quoting 100% unique. I take this with a pinch of salt to be honest. As long at it gets over 50% I'm happy. BTW vitavee I'm a Link Dozer spinner too and that spinner can really do some work. Just wish I could use it as quick as TBS!

          Have you tried a LD spun article in SEOLV yet?
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          • Profile picture of the author vitavee
            Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

            It's 'the best spinner' quoting 100% unique. I take this with a pinch of salt to be honest. As long at it gets over 50% I'm happy.
            Oh I see, I wrote too quickly

            Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

            BTW vitavee I'm a Link Dozer spinner too and that spinner can really do some work. Just wish I could use it as quick as TBS!

            Have you tried a LD spun article in SEOLV yet?
            No I haven't, I only use Ultra Spinnable Articles for my submissions.
            Even in LD
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            • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
              Brad -

              The system looks great. One question. Since there is no sig block, like on an article site, how you would you name/promote the author? I know the blog owners aren't allowed to claim copyright over our material, but if we don't put our name on it...

              Or can we just add our own "about the author" to the end of the article itself, like:

              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
              John Doe is the President of Acme and his (link)shoe stores(/link) are .....


              Second, can articles talk about a company? Suppose I'm promoting a brick and mortar company named Acme, can the article be about Acme or does it need to be a generic article about something to do with Acme's industry? What will be accepted on the blogs?

              Thanks!

              And congrats on a succesful launch!
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              • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
                Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

                Brad -

                The system looks great. One question. Since there is no sig block, like on an article site, how you would you name/promote the author? I know the blog owners aren't allowed to claim copyright over our material, but if we don't put our name on it...

                Or can we just add our own "about the author" to the end of the article itself, like:

                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                John Doe is the President of Acme and his (link)shoe stores(/link) are .....


                Second, can articles talk about a company? Suppose I'm promoting a brick and mortar company named Acme, can the article be about Acme or does it need to be a generic article about something to do with Acme's industry? What will be accepted on the blogs?

                Thanks!

                And congrats on a succesful launch!
                You can essentially add your own signature to the end of your articles. You have total control over it. And yes, in the example you gave, that is just fine. It's tough to answer that question, because it depends on the specific situation, but in general, yes, that is more than fine.

                Brad
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexissalaam
            Hi Brad

            This thing is great already got a couple of articles
            but I'm a newbie so I only have one site right now
            so the articles that I received I cant use right now
            no specific category for it, what will be cool is if
            you had away we could ask for specific content.

            Over the weekend I'll put up another site that will
            work great I'm pretty sure there's content for this Idea
            I have, but for right now I have to work on this site I got
            going on because it's making some money.

            Thanks
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            • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
              One last question (for now )

              Can spinning be used in the article title? I see you can add multiple title boxes, so for completely different titles, that is cool, but can I use spinning notation within each of those title boxes?

              Thanks
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              • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
                Originally Posted by pokerdawg View Post

                One last question (for now )

                Can spinning be used in the article title? I see you can add multiple title boxes, so for completely different titles, that is cool, but can I use spinning notation within each of those title boxes?

                Thanks
                Yes sir. You sure can.

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  • Profile picture of the author 4thstreet
    I got so many emails about this product that I was just going to brush it off. But then I read this tread & just signed up.

    I respect reviews from warriors since they are not dropping aff links and there are several really good reviews here.
    Brad sounds like you definitely have a winner!
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  • Profile picture of the author valdivz
    What if there are not enough blogs to post to based on your niche?

    for example what if my niche was about red dresses.... and there are only 13 blogs about clothing???

    Is there a specific niche or niches that this blog network caters towards best?

    I remember being a member of AMA but it completely sucked for me because there were not many blogs to post to.

    Is there a way to see if this is good for my niche? or perhaps I'll just have to test it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by valdivz View Post

      What if there are not enough blogs to post to based on your niche?

      for example what if my niche was about red dresses.... and there are only 13 blogs about clothing???

      Is there a specific niche or niches that this blog network caters towards best?

      I remember being a member of AMA but it completely sucked for me because there were not many blogs to post to.

      Is there a way to see if this is good for my niche? or perhaps I'll just have to test it.
      Yeah, this is one of the 3 major aspects that differentiate 1 article syndication network apart from another. We're adding 100+ new blogs every day and in roughly 2 weeks will be starting a major initiative to double the size of the network in a very short period of time. What I would suggest doing early on is submitting to a broader category, and then over time, get more specific.

      Brad
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      • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
        Hello Brad, Just joined linkvine. Viewing the videos. Do you have any limit set for the articles submitted to linkvine. I wasn't able to find any yet. Also, is there an option to put images in article?

        Thanks...
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        • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
          Originally Posted by Spencer Jones View Post

          Hello Brad, Just joined linkvine. Viewing the videos. Do you have any limit set for the articles submitted to linkvine. I wasn't able to find any yet. Also, is there an option to put images in article?

          Thanks...
          Hi Spencer, right now it's unlimited and will stay that way unless we come across any problems with this.

          Thanks!

          Brad
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          • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
            Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

            Hi Spencer, right now it's unlimited and will stay that way unless we come across any problems with this.

            Thanks!

            Brad
            Am sorry, what I really meant to ask is if there is any limit set for the length of the article that can be submitted via seolinkvine? Is there any minimum length limit, for the article, to get approved for submission?

            Thanks
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            • Profile picture of the author wrays
              Yes, article must have at least 300 words. You can not submit if you have less than 300 words.

              Originally Posted by Spencer Jones View Post

              Am sorry, what I really meant to ask is if there is any limit set for the length of the article that can be submitted via seolinkvine? Is there any minimum length limit, for the article, to get approved for submission?

              Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
    Hey Brad I gotta say I love what you've created here. It's so easy to use. I've just added three blogs and three articles in a couple of hours. 1 article of mine has been published already and I've received three which were really good quality.

    I timed myself at 19 secs so I'm hoping I got in the first 25!!!

    It's good to hear more blogs will be added soon. I've got some very small niches where I've not been able to find suitable categories yet. I assume this will improve as the network expands.

    Are we able to add images to the articles. I know we can add video but didn't see anything about images.

    Thanks,

    Phil
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    SeoLinkVine leaves a BIG FOOTPRINT

    "Posted by SeoLinkVine"

    ---> this is extremely, extremely bad!!


    People talking about it on other forums already, the blogs can easily identified that way. Why do you do this? This needs to be fixed ASAP in my opinion.

    People are already spreading lists of all the blogs in the network...
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      SeoLinkVine leaves a BIG FOOTPRINT

      "Posted by SeoLinkVine"

      ---> this is extremely, extremely bad!!


      People talking about it on other forums already, the blogs can easily identified that way. Why do you do this? This needs to be fixed ASAP in my opinion.

      People are already spreading lists of all the blogs in the network...
      lol... Hey George, that is somewhat funny. Let me explain why, and you have absolutely no reason for concern. I've known about this for weeks. These sites that show up in the search results are a few "beta user" blogs from a couple of people whom created a blog username on "their" blog named seolinkvine and attached that to seolinkvine.com to get their free content.

      We have no control over what username they would create on their wordpress blog and give write permissions for (this makes everything occur even more natural. Blog owners can choose whatever username they want, so it's all 100% natural). Anyone could create a blog username named seolinkvine and post their own content and it obviously would not be attached to seolinkvine, ye would still say "posted by seolinkvine".

      But, in the future, to avoid confusion from random forum posters like those guys that don't do their research, we no longer allow the username seolinkvine etc. to be attached to seolinkvine.com and receive content.

      But, as I said, these few sites are random beta user's blogs that just created a username called seolinkvine on THEIR blog and gave that username the permission to receive articles from us. There is nothing in our system that would post "posted by seolinkvine".

      If you actually look through the list, there are 244 actual search results, and many of those are multiple pages from the same domain. Likely owned by the same couple of users with the same seolinkvine blog username.

      Also, this: "People are already spreading lists of all the blogs in the network..."

      The guys you're referring to are spreading a list of probably less than 200 domains, all owned by a couple of the same blog owners :-P You have nothing to worry about. Post those articles and get those links man.

      and definitely thanks for pointing this out so I could explain. I can see how it might be confusing at first glance :-)

      On an even better note, this does show that your articles will get indexed FAST! hehe...

      Brad
      P.S. You might want to pop over there and explain this to them so they don't confuse more people.
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      • Profile picture of the author .
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

        lol... Hey George, that is somewhat funny. Let me explain why, and you have absolutely no reason for concern. I've known about this for weeks. These sites that show up in the search results are a few "beta user" blogs from a couple of people whom created a blog username on "their" blog named seolinkvine and attached that to seolinkvine.com to get their free content.
        I tried to find funny the fact of leaving a footprint... but I still can't find the funny part. :confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
          Originally Posted by rankinghero View Post

          I tried to find funny the fact of leaving a footprint... but I still can't find the funny part. :confused:
          the reason is that some early beta testers created a user ON THEIR blog called "seolinkvine" - needless to say this is not the most intelligent thing to do. SEOLV does *not* leave a footprint - read what brad wrote.

          Its a little "funny" but it only affects those people's blogs, simply not a wise thing to do.
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    Ok, clear now
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  • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
    Brad, I would like to have your reply regarding the article length and image posting questions I posted above.

    Thanks...
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by Spencer Jones View Post

      Brad, I would like to have your reply regarding the article length and image posting questions I posted above.

      Thanks...
      Hey Spencer, sorry about that. I must have missed your question by accident. I usually submit articles between 350 and 600 words in length. As far as I know there is no official word limit you can exceed, although there probably should be, from a user standpoint. I wouldn't really go over 700 words. Beyond that and it's likely your article won't be read from beginning to end.

      About adding images, you can't. Only text at this time. Although, that is a good suggestion. I'll see about that tomorrow morning when I get to the office. Thanks for the suggestion.

      Brad
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      • Profile picture of the author ebaluyot
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

        Hey Spencer, sorry about that. I must have missed your question by accident. I usually submit articles between 350 and 600 words in length. As far as I know there is no official word limit you can exceed, although there probably should be, from a user standpoint. I wouldn't really go over 700 words. Beyond that and it's likely your article won't be read from beginning to end.

        About adding images, you can't. Only text at this time. Although, that is a good suggestion. I'll see about that tomorrow morning when I get to the office. Thanks for the suggestion.

        Brad
        Brad,

        But in regards to the length, what is the minimum that SEOLinkVine allows? Because MAN has to be above 300 words or it won't publish.

        Ernesto
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      • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post


        About adding images, you can't. Only text at this time. Although, that is a good suggestion. I'll see about that tomorrow morning when I get to the office. Thanks for the suggestion.

        Brad
        Just worth mentioning you can add embedded media.
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  • Profile picture of the author stabilus
    Hey Brad

    I just wanted to let you know that I wrote a review under www[dot]cash-in[dot]us/reviews/seolinkvine/ and awarded it the "Worth-It!" label.

    Thanks for a great job on this product. (sorry I can't post links yet here)
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary McLean
    Oh dear,
    I was thinking for a bit of a newbie, this would be a great intro tool...but you all seem sooo far advanced, I'm wondering if I read & watched the videos incorrectly!

    Would it still be worth it to get it as someone just launching out with a real product to promote?
    I'm confused now...HELP please...if it's fine, I want in at $47!

    Thanks,
    Mary
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    • Profile picture of the author wrays
      Hi Mary,

      If you have a website/blog that is promoting/selling products, and you rely on organic (free) traffic from the search engines... then SEOLinkVine can be quite valuable for you as it helps you to build backlinks to your site/blog automatically.

      However, you do need to write articles, add your anchor text links, spin them and then submit them to seolinkvine. It will then syndicate your articles to thousands of blogs - giving you the backlinks and boosting your site ranking.

      Hope this helps.

      Originally Posted by Mary McLean View Post

      Oh dear,
      I was thinking for a bit of a newbie, this would be a great intro tool...but you all seem sooo far advanced, I'm wondering if I read & watched the videos incorrectly!

      Would it still be worth it to get it as someone just launching out with a real product to promote?
      I'm confused now...HELP please...if it's fine, I want in at $47!

      Thanks,
      Mary
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    • Profile picture of the author chini
      Originally Posted by Mary McLean View Post

      Oh dear,
      I was thinking for a bit of a newbie, this would be a great intro tool...but you all seem sooo far advanced, I'm wondering if I read & watched the videos incorrectly!

      Thanks,
      Mary

      Theres not much to do it like said above, the tool works great, but you need find keywords which are both profitable and you can easily rank for. Or you will be wasting your money with this tool.
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    • Profile picture of the author RedHat39
      If it helps you any Mary, combine this service with Micro Niche Finder and some quality articles and you will be way ahead of the game for most marketers. Use the three correctly, not much of a learning curve I might add, and you will easily be in profit each month and slowly start to build a steady online income. At $47 and knowing Brad's reputation for having quality products and services SEOLV is a steal.

      Heres a hint for you: Do a search for SEOLinkVine in Google and you'll find a signup bonus for some quality spinnable articles you can get started with right away.


      Originally Posted by Mary McLean View Post

      Oh dear,
      I was thinking for a bit of a newbie, this would be a great intro tool...but you all seem sooo far advanced, I'm wondering if I read & watched the videos incorrectly!

      Would it still be worth it to get it as someone just launching out with a real product to promote?
      I'm confused now...HELP please...if it's fine, I want in at $47!

      Thanks,
      Mary
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      • Profile picture of the author rayan
        I wanted to subscribe but I have a question here..

        This may be obvious but I read that you have to add a blog into the network? Is this compulsory? Does it mean that if I do not have a blog, I cannot submit articles with links to my sites via SEO LV?

        I look forward to the reply, thank you.
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        • Profile picture of the author wrays
          Not that I am aware of...
          I only use seolinkvine to submit articles and get backlinks... I did not add any blog in the network.

          Originally Posted by rayan View Post

          I wanted to subscribe but I have a question here..

          This may be obvious but I read that you have to add a blog into the network? Is this compulsory? Does it mean that if I do not have a blog, I cannot submit articles with links to my sites via SEO LV?

          I look forward to the reply, thank you.
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          • Profile picture of the author markySEO
            I just signed up to SEOLinkVine yesterday having been a member of AMA for about 3 weeks now. I must say that the system is much better then AMA, being able to create projects and post to multiple categories with a single article is a big plus.

            However on the flip side I dont think there are nearly as many blogs in the network.

            I posted 5 articles each in multiple categories yesterday and to date only 2 have been published. In the same period I posted only 2 articles to AMA each to multiple categories and have had about 15 articles published. The articles were in the more or less the same categories in both networks and on the same subject.

            That´s a big difference, it´s only been 24 hours and I´m gonna keep with SEOLinkVine for a month but if it keeps up I might just cancel the subscription and keep with AMA until the network of blogs matures. Shame as I much prefer the SEOLinkVine system.
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        • Profile picture of the author chini
          Originally Posted by rayan View Post

          I wanted to subscribe but I have a question here..

          This may be obvious but I read that you have to add a blog into the network? Is this compulsory? Does it mean that if I do not have a blog, I cannot submit articles with links to my sites via SEO LV?

          I look forward to the reply, thank you.
          No, you add your blogs if you want people to submit content to it from the seolinkvine network.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    However, you do need to write articles, add your anchor text links, spin them and then submit them to seolinkvine.
    well you do that once...and if you spin them good you basically get infinite articles So its time well spent.

    I have one question tho:

    Brad, do you have an idea about the current nr. of blogs in the system (i THINK you once said you add(ed) several hundreds more)...and is there statistics about the quality/PR of those blogs?

    How do you ensure that no junk sites are added, how is the quality of the network kept up?
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    • Profile picture of the author wrays
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Brad, do you have an idea about the current nr. of blogs in the system (i THINK you once said you add(ed) several hundreds more)...and is there statistics about the quality/PR of those blogs?

      How do you ensure that no junk sites are added, how is the quality of the network kept up?
      I would like to know this too.

      In post #140, I said thousands of blogs... I should say "hundreds of blogs" instead. Because I don't know for sure how many blogs are currently in the seolinkvine's network.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary McLean
    Thanks WRays...
    I get you now!

    There's so many angles in this field, I'm seeing one really does have to decide the focused path to take, as each path seems to go on & get deeper with each learning about it!

    Amazing...

    Thanks all,

    I will get it then, so stand back & ...um, er, ..look for my dust then!

    Kindest,
    Mary
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    hmm....is this normal? I submitted an article 3 days ago and it has been published 3 times.....i was expecting a little more than that.

    2 other articles I published 2 days ago..have not been picked up at all?
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    you posted them YESTERDAY <----

    I really would give this more time, you cant make such an assumption after one day, IMO.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy123
      isn't this just another article spinning blog network,
      why would Google value spun content in its index
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      • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
        Originally Posted by Jeremy123 View Post

        why would Google value spun content in its index
        Spun content (correctly spun content) is unique content so of course Google gives it the same value as the original.
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Originally Posted by Jeremy123 View Post

        isn't this just another article spinning blog network,
        why would Google value spun content in its index
        The better question is how much value will Google assign to a bunch of barely-indexed PR0 auto blogs with little if any back links to them?
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        • Profile picture of the author chini
          Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

          The better question is how much value will Google assign to a bunch of barely-indexed PR0 auto blogs with little if any back links to them?
          This is why its important to maintain the submission of high quality content on networks like these, or the network for suffer and slowly decline in value over time.
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    • Profile picture of the author markySEO
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      you posted them YESTERDAY <----

      I really would give this more time, you cant make such an assumption after one day, IMO.
      I´m gonna give it a month to test properly but I seem to get quite a lot of articles published in AMA in the first 24hrs. I was a bit disappointed. The system is definitely better so I´m gonna persevere
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Originally Posted by markySEO View Post

        I´m gonna give it a month to test properly but I seem to get quite a lot of articles published in AMA in the first 24hrs. I was a bit disappointed. The system is definitely better so I´m gonna persevere
        Hey, wanted to address this really quickly. In roughly 2 weeks from now we'll be doubling the size of the network through some major initiatives (things will only get better over time). Don't worry, I can promise you that you WILL get ALOT of articles published. Right now, because of launch, there are a ton of articles in the queue waiting to be published. Much more than normal. We have 7 crons running nonstop throughout the day to get through the queued articles as fast as mathematically possible. Once the launch dies down a bit, you'll notice that things will pick up. Thanks for your patience.

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  • Profile picture of the author pokerdawg
    I think it has promise, but I do have a few concerns... Brad, if you could address these & help clarify...

    1 -- The sales page talks about getting 28,900 backlinks in 3 months... Granted, its only been a couple of days, but my posts to the system were only sent to 2 and 5 blogs, respectively. How many blogs do you expect the typical article to run on?

    By comparison, when I post through UAW, it goes out 50 per day, to about 700-800 article sites.

    I'm not picking one over the other. I'm also thinking about adding AMA, just to get a wider reach. Same with SEOLinkVine. Just want to see more than 2-3 after a few days... and have a better feel for whether those articles are still going out or if they are done.

    2 -- I know the posts get 3 backlinks each... so in the above you need 9633 article postings to get that many links. If each article posted gets picked up by 20 blogs, does that mean we're looking at doing 480 postings to get to those levels? If they're picked up by 200 blogs, then its only 48. I'm trying to do the math.

    3 -- I read the posts that some beta tester named themselves seolinkvine and that it can act as a red flag. I know you are not adding it to everything, but that knucklehead is. So my question is this: if I publish an article and his blog picks it up, will he flag that article as being "posted by seolinkvine" and if it is, that's the kind of thing that Google can find and give a big kick in the crotch to websites that are backlinking from that blog. I know "you" aren't stamping it, but that blog owner is, and that is a big concern.

    Can you either drop him/her or force him/her to change that username?

    Feature wise, I do like your system a lot. I would offer a couple of suggestions for version 1.1:

    1 - You mentioned earlier that spinning is OK in the titles. That should be indicated on your system

    2 - You allow people to add (with a + button) additional title boxes. How about a text area type box with separate titles entered one per line? Then we can paste in 50 easily, as opposed to clicking the "add box" 49 times.

    You also let us organize the articles into categories, which I like. That leads me to...

    3 - When people post, they need to go through the list and "check boxes" for which categories the specific article relates to. I understand why you need that. But can you have it remember the check boxes from the other articles (or last article) within that category, and have them pre-checked next time we add another?

    For example, if I have a category about "solar energy" then all my articles will apply to the same categories... it would be great to avoid running down that category checklist on every single article...

    Overall, I give it a thumbs up and just hope to see some distribution kicking in.

    I'm also contemplating putting up some WordPress blogs and letting you feed the monster
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    • Profile picture of the author Marie A
      Hi Guys, Can some of you pros give some tips an how many variations of the same article you are writing , and how much you are spinning before sending out to the blogs?

      I am very new to this and have signed up to SEO Linkvine and watched the videos and now I udt a little better. lol

      Do you suggest creating lets say 5 titles from the same article or a lot more? , and are you always using same keywords with links to your primary page or each page in your site?

      I have lots of pages on my site and they rank very poorly.

      After all if my main keyword I need to rank for is 'oranges in Florida' for example then I have to mention it in all the articles.

      Hmmm it's a bit confusing so any help and tips are welcome.

      Marie

      I am a new member so please forgive the simple questions.

      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
        Brad, I have a suggestion -

        It would be helpful, if you can add a save and preview article function beside the article editor, so that we can be sure everything works perfect before posting.

        Regards
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      • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
        Originally Posted by Marie A View Post

        Hi Guys, Can some of you pros give some tips an how many variations of the same article you are writing , and how much you are spinning before sending out to the blogs?
        If you're using software like "the best spinner" you can generate hundreds of articles from one seed all within 1 hour. They can be spun to at least 90 % and every article it generates is suprisingly legible if you take the time to get your syno replacement correct first time around.

        My advice is to spin the thing so it's unrecognizable.

        Start with a manual spin of the paragraph position and length.
        Switch to a sentence spin.
        Then run your sydo spin using software.

        Do you suggest creating lets say 5 titles from the same article or a lot more? ,
        Depends on how many times you're wanting that article submitted, SEO LV , lets you control that. More the better I say. SEO LV allows you to generate additional fixed titles but also to spin within the title text ( I believe Brad confirmed that in this thread). You can easily create a bazillion combinations.

        and are you always using same keywords with links to your primary page or each page in your site?
        Both, deeplinking is a good thing, Google likes it. If you have targeted internal pages, consider targeting an anchor text to each internal page. You should always alternate your anchor text to appear natural. I don't bother as much as some people recommend. My format is about 80% the phrase I'm trying to rank for 20% varied.

        For the varied 20%, I go to google, look at associated keywords/long tails or the wonder wheel for my chosen phrase. I cut and paste a dozen of the associated phrases Google tells me it associates with my keywords and use those in the remaining 20% of the anchor text. (Shussh, this is a top hint, that works like crazy because Google sees those anchor text links as very natural and importantly applicable)

        After all if my main keyword I need to rank for is 'oranges in Florida' for example then I have to mention it in all the articles.
        Essentially yes, you want to have your primary phrase in your articles. If you're using TBS (The Best Spinner) or similar, make sure your primary phrase is protected from the spin, (protected=you set the software not to spin your keyword).

        I also like to take a few LSI and put them in the article and also protect those from the spin. If you're not sure what LSI means it means finding similar themed related terms for your primary phrase you're trying to rank for. You can do this by typing your long tail into google then scrolling to the bottom of the page to find "similar searches.

        Hmmm it's a bit confusing so any help and tips are welcome.

        Marie

        I am a new member so please forgive the simple questions.

        Thanks
        Everybody gotta start somewhere Marie.
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        • Profile picture of the author kislany
          Just wondering when the distribution will pick up. I've posted an article 2 days ago and it was republished exactly 3 times, and another article posted yesterday and republishing = 0 so far.
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          • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
            Originally Posted by kislany View Post

            Just wondering when the distribution will pick up. I've posted an article 2 days ago and it was republished exactly 3 times, and another article posted yesterday and republishing = 0 so far.
            Same problem here...

            I submitted my article yesterday, and waiting to see the blogs publish my article, it's over 12 hours, but still the number of "Article published" is 0. It says the article is live. So I have a few questions -

            1) Is there any order in which the sites publish the article?

            2) I have selected the max number of articles to be published per day (10) and set the unlimited limit and selected max categories (30). So is there any clue on - how long it will take before I can see my articles start getting published?

            3) If I get 10 blogs publish my post per day, then won't it take long time to get links from 1000's of sites publish my article, like those shown in the screen shots in sales page? Or is it submitting multiple articles, that does the trick?

            Brad, Thanks in advance for your answers...
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            • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
              I submitted 3 articles on the first day and they've been published 16 times so far. I added another yesterday. I've just checked and there's another 7 approvals that have not gone live yet.

              Unless the blog owners have the articles set at auto approve you are going to have to wait until the blog owner approves it manually in SEOLV, then there's a delay while it sits in the waiting queue before going to the blog. It's going to vary a lot depending on your article topic, the blog owners response times and so on.

              I approved an article for one of my blogs a couple of hours ago and it hasn't arrived at my blog yet. It's still in the waiting queue. Brad did reply about this earlier in the thread.
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              • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
                Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

                I submitted 3 articles on the first day and they've been published 16 times so far. I added another yesterday. I've just checked and there's another 7 approvals that have not gone live yet.

                Unless the blog owners have the articles set at auto approve you are going to have to wait until the blog owner approves it manually in SEOLV, then there's a delay while it sits in the waiting queue before going to the blog. It's going to vary a lot depending on your article topic, the blog owners response times and so on.

                I approved an article for one of my blogs a couple of hours ago and it hasn't arrived at my blog yet. It's still in the waiting queue. Brad did reply about this earlier in the thread.
                Thank you...

                May be I need to just stay away from the stats area and go on adding more articles...
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        • Profile picture of the author Marie A
          This is quite an amazing response. Thank you very much Simon. It is a really difficult learning curve to promote a business properly and I hope to learn more each day.

          Does anyone know if it is possible to to use foreign words in the main body as well with linkvine and also use the links?

          Instead of using lets say the word 'car' I could use the French word which is 'voiture' etc.

          Once again great response.

          Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author Marie A
          I just realised what you are saying regarding long tailed keywords but am still not clear on this.

          I am talking only of Linkvine where a maximum of 3 links to site is allowed

          Do do you mean for example I would not always use the word 'Florida' in my links back to my site?

          I always do this ie 'oranges in Florida' "Best Florida Oranges" etc.

          Thanks for any responses.

          Marie
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          • Profile picture of the author essmeier
            I signed up for SEO LinkVine yesterday and just submitted my first article a few minutes ago.

            At the moment, the thesaurus feature doesn't appear to be very helpful. I put it in "aggressive" mode and it highlighted 31 words. I was unable to use any of the suggestions provided, as they simply weren't appropriate suggestions. Not only that, but the thesaurus sometimes only highlighted part of a word. For the word "unusual", the program only highlighted the word "usual" and made suggestions for replacing it with terms such as "common."

            Since I don't have any other spinning software that produces a compatible format, I ended up having to edit the entire 600 word article manually, which took about a half an hour.

            I'm waiting to see how the publishing part works. So far, however, I'm pretty disappointed in the spinner portion of the product.

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              • Profile picture of the author dotslash
                You just can't seem to have it SINK in that it doesn't matter if you spin content on the fly and make submissions easy. THAT doesn't help SEO. Ah well...The clustering is the point. Creating HUBS of content that make sense is what works. NOT a million submission locations...By the way, what that looks like is just an "improved" HyperVRE, which is ultimate crap story for people
                Hmm sounds very plausible but completely untrue in my experience,
                I've got loads of sites which are very profitable, highly ranked and have got thousands of irrelevant back links from all over the place

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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
    Hey Poker, thanks for the recommendations. As soon as I get to the office in a couple of hours I'll see what we can do about adding ALL of those. I really like the category one and that's already on our "to do" list. As is making the spinner much much better. About your question about the seolv user. I wouldn't be concerned, but we have contacted the owner and have asked him politely to change his settings. If he doesn't, we may suspend his free account. But, I honestly wouldn't be worried about it. Thanks again for the feature recommendations. We're on it. Oh, and about the speed of article publishing, it will pick up. See my post above about that. Thanks!

    Update: I'm in the office now. Spoke with developers and in a couple of hours we'll have these added:

    1. ability to paste in multiple titles (separated by a new line, so you don't have to hit the "+" symbol each time) and SEOLV will automatically insert the spin tags for you.

    2. An autosave feature, so incase something happens to your browser or you have to leave in the middle of formatting an article, it will save for you.

    3. Having the preselected categories from previous OR even previous project types wasn't something that we can add and the reason is that it would like lead to much more "off topic" content being posted on user's websites. Some users would get in a rush and publish articles to categories that weren't good fits for, just because it was fast and easy. We're really trying to give the blog owners the content they expect, and this would unfortunately not help with that. Good idea though.

    4. More to come...

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  • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
    I'm really happy with this system. Finally one that works and is very simple to use. I sent three articles on the first day and the last count they've been published 17 times in very tight niches.

    Once we get more categories and sub categories added things will improve even more. At the moment I'm rejecting more articles to my blogs than I'm accepting due to the fact my blogs are in small niches and the articles don't fit in.
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  • Profile picture of the author aaramire
    Brad,

    I just signed up and have come across a bug of sorts. When I added my websites and tried to select categories. When selecting the categories, the program doesn't recognize what I am clicking.

    For example if I open health and fitness and then proceed to select "cardio" it selects 42 categories excluding cardio. If i select "muscle" it selects about 12 categories excluding muscle.

    I submitted a ticket and hope to hear a response soon. Other than that great service for getting backlinks!
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    • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
      Originally Posted by aaramire View Post

      Brad,

      I just signed up and have come across a bug of sorts. When I added my websites and tried to select categories. When selecting the categories, the program doesn't recognize what I am clicking.

      For example if I open health and fitness and then proceed to select "cardio" it selects 42 categories excluding cardio. If i select "muscle" it selects about 12 categories excluding muscle.

      I submitted a ticket and hope to hear a response soon. Other than that great service for getting backlinks!
      I just logged in here to report the problem to Brad. The very first time I entered the site and selected the categories it worked fine. The problem started when I edited/unpublished the article. The radio buttons are going out of control.

      Hoping it'll be fixed asap or else it'll be nearly impossible to post an article, as one click selects all/many radio buttons inside the category, which is going to create problems.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by aaramire View Post

      Brad,

      I just signed up and have come across a bug of sorts. When I added my websites and tried to select categories. When selecting the categories, the program doesn't recognize what I am clicking.

      For example if I open health and fitness and then proceed to select "cardio" it selects 42 categories excluding cardio. If i select "muscle" it selects about 12 categories excluding muscle.

      I submitted a ticket and hope to hear a response soon. Other than that great service for getting backlinks!
      Hey, fixed :-) We were adding a new feature and you happened to be selecting a category at the same time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeb
    Getting the same category error as you guys. It was okay a day ago. Probably a small bug Brad has to step on.
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  • Profile picture of the author aaramire
    I received an e-mail from support stating that the issue has been fixed.
    Will double check in a bit
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  • Profile picture of the author MaxReferrals
    Brad,

    Just thought you'd want to know the article wysiwyg is buggy using IE 7.0. (Yeah, people still use that.) The wysiwyg doesn't even appear. Fine in FF.

    --Max
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary McLean
    Wow, this is one sure fire way to learn about a new tool!

    Was just reading somewhere else about why blogs are becoming our central hub for our branding efforts.

    Very clever tool here Brad...congrats!
    Yup, Blog/valuable, informative content ++/social media, ...wow!

    It's a huge new business model about to explode.
    Now I can see why Google is getting edgy, indexing Tweets etc etc...

    Exciting times ahead.

    Kindest,
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Well its not *that* new, such blog networks exists for some time already. Known names are UAW (Unique Article Wizard), AMA/MAN etc.. and now SEOLV of course
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary McLean
    Agreed.
    As a newbie getting to understand traffic sources & SEO intricacies, valuable content is always on top of the list.

    So, with a tool as efficient as Brad has made, I'm figuring he has put a "dictionary" of top quality terms inside the software (or whatever) to make it create quality new content each time it's used.

    Good info here people, keep it coming...thanks

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    • Profile picture of the author Votoshka
      I signed up for SEOLinkVine too and I've noticed a couple of issues... First, I added a blog to the network, which I made a general health related blog with a lot of potential categories (all similar to the health categories in SEO LinkVine).

      I have accepted a few articles, but what I notice happening is that when they post to the blog ALL the categories get ticked, and I have to manually go in and fix this. Is there any way around it??

      The other issue is the SEO LinkVine Ranker... now as far as I can tell it's supposed to run every 24 hours, instead mine says 21976 hours until it runs again!
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Originally Posted by Votoshka View Post

        I signed up for SEOLinkVine too and I've noticed a couple of issues... First, I added a blog to the network, which I made a general health related blog with a lot of potential categories (all similar to the health categories in SEO LinkVine).

        I have accepted a few articles, but what I notice happening is that when they post to the blog ALL the categories get ticked, and I have to manually go in and fix this. Is there any way around it??

        The other issue is the SEO LinkVine Ranker... now as far as I can tell it's supposed to run every 24 hours, instead mine says 21976 hours until it runs again!
        Hey,

        1. the category issue was fixed about 8 hours ago. Can you check again now?

        2. 2,1976 hours? Great, so that only means you'll have to wait until around Christmas for the next run. Is that a problem? hehe... Can you redownload the application right now and try again? I have a feeling you're running an old version of it. If not, please pm me and I'll get it squared away for you.

        Thanks!

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        • Profile picture of the author Votoshka
          Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

          Hey,

          1. the category issue was fixed about 8 hours ago. Can you check again now?

          2. 2,1976 hours? Great, so that only means you'll have to wait until around Christmas for the next run. Is that a problem? hehe... Can you redownload the application right now and try again? I have a feeling you're running an old version of it. If not, please pm me and I'll get it squared away for you.

          Thanks!

          Brad
          No worries Brad, Thanks for getting back to me so fast!

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  • Profile picture of the author pavionjsl
    Still have concerns long term for any links made. If LV does not own all the blogs they are a X factor long term and a integral part of the system. They will come and go and so will the links. If LinkVine owned 5000 blogs, that's good but here we are counting on people to add theirs, stay in , renew domains, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
      Originally Posted by pavionjsl View Post

      Still have concerns long term for any links made. If LV does not own all the blogs they are a X factor long term and a integral part of the system. They will come and go and so will the links. If LinkVine owned 5000 blogs, that's good but here we are counting on people to add theirs, stay in , renew domains, etc.
      That's the same with any link you get anywhere. You're never guaranteed to have a permanent link from any site. Sites come and go all the time! It's natural.
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    • Profile picture of the author TiffanyB
      I just submitted my first article last night and it was pretty easy to use although I was not really impressed with the spinner. I choose aggressive spinning and it only highlighted about 10 words out of 425 in the article. I'm not that worried about spinning as I just purchased Rapid Rewriter, which is a pretty cool spinner and will use that for my spinning instead.

      I just submitted it about 8 hours ago and one has been approved and is pending publishing right now. The keyword I am going after is not competitive at all so I am hoping I start seeing results from this soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by pavionjsl View Post

      Still have concerns long term for any links made. If LV does not own all the blogs they are a X factor long term and a integral part of the system. They will come and go and so will the links. If LinkVine owned 5000 blogs, that's good but here we are counting on people to add theirs, stay in , renew domains, etc.
      Hi, in the next several months we're hoping to release a 3rd side to SEOLinkVine where WE do own the blogs. It will be more catered to those with a larger budget, as we can only sell x memberships to this when we own the blogs themselves.

      Also, as with any article syndication service, it's important to continue writing articles and submit them. The more you are able to submit, the better. In about 2 weeks we'll be doubling the number of blogs in the system, which should help those of you that are waiting for your articles to be published. This is likely because of the topic selected. I would definitely go for a broad topic here at first, to get maximum publishes.

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  • Profile picture of the author adferger1
    Looks interresting.

    But why use Brad Callens SEOLinkVine, if we are allready useing Matt Callens MyArticleNetwork?

    I asume it is the same network, or am I wrong here, Brad?
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by adferger1 View Post

      Looks interresting.

      But why use Brad Callens SEOLinkVine, if we are allready useing Matt Callens MyArticleNetwork?

      I asume it is the same network, or am I wrong here, Brad?
      Use ALL link networks. If I could give 1 piece of good advice, I'd say sign up to as many as you can afford, whether it's seolinkvine or some other service. Start with whatever one you feel most comfortable with, and then as your rankings rise and you make more money, invest it into signing up to other networks. That is THE fastest way to move your site up in ranking.

      Brad
      P.S. No, SEOLV is not the same network of sites as myarticlenetwork or any other article syndication service.
      P.P.S. By "spinner" I'm assuming you're referring to the thesaurus. We're making major additions to the thesaurus over the next several weeks. I would suggest using Jon Ledger's The Best Spinner if you're wanting incredible article spins. Great tool.
      P.P.P.S. Publishing speed WILL increase 10 fold once we get through this huge intial surge of articles in the system due to the launch. It may be slower right now for certain topics. It will take a week or so to get through the queue of articles, but after that, things will pick up. Plus we will be doubling the network size with a big push starting next week. Thank you for your patience.
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      • Profile picture of the author robs132
        How does this compare to Link racer?

        Is there any value in link racer?
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        • Profile picture of the author Seth Stewart
          OK Brad, SEO LinkVine looks good, but I really want you to address the very relevant point posted by LinkDozer's Kristina (on ID Forum,) about how the basic concept of flooding submissions doesn't really help SEO...:

          "Oh wow man! He is like 4 years LATE with the idea. I mean there's way too many services like that and if they worked it would be nice. But it won't. Unfortunately a lot of people are going to fall for the idea because they are fed the concept over and over again. You just can't seem to have it SINK in that it doesn't matter if you spin content on the fly and make submissions easy. THAT doesn't help SEO. Ah well...The clustering is the point. Creating HUBS of content that make sense is what works. NOT a million submission locations...By the way, what that looks like is just an "improved" HyperVRE, which is ultimate crap story for people.

          He sank Keyword Elite and now seems to continue in the footsteps...

          That is what happens when you can't come up with a BETTER way of doing things..

          The very first and one of the best among these concepts was actually Chris Crompton's content spooling network. It worked at the time, but as I said, the problem is in the concept itself. So what if there is 5000 blogs you can get links from...the spinning (Blending) is NOT the solution. As [experienced IMers should] already know, it is a little bit more complex than that."

          Not to throw a wrench into this thread or the good things that have been said about your product. But she makes a good point, and it seems fair to address any shortcomings of this type of system, even if yours is the best one so far. Thanks
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          • Profile picture of the author jatchue
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            I'm glad I read this.

            The sales page said there were thousands of blogs in the network and after writing 4 articles with very little results for reposting I was getting concerned. I didn't realize how long it would take for the system to process all the traffic.

            Looking forward to lots of links.
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            • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
              Originally Posted by jatchue View Post

              I'm glad I read this.

              The sales page said there were thousands of blogs in the network and after writing 4 articles with very little results for reposting I was getting concerned. I didn't realize how long it would take for the system to process all the traffic.

              Looking forward to lots of links.
              I had the same problem yesterday when I tried to send article on a particular niche, No articles published yet. But today I tried to do an article on one of my health niche website. I posted it and within a few hours, the articles are approved in 4 and waiting to be published. Better idea would be to try writing your article around the popular categories. My guess is that we'll get lots of posts if our article is on niches like, health, business, internet marketing etc.
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              • Profile picture of the author neil_patmore
                I joined yesterday to see what it was all about. 72 hours to maybe get an article published?

                I added 20 articles and so far 14 are approved but the article list shows none are published.

                These we're all ported over from Article Ranks and the spinning syntax was read perfectly in the body. SEO linkvine couldn't read the spun titles but that's OK.

                In contrast I wrote 2 additional articles and added them both to Article Ranks and SEOLinkvine. AR has published them both 3 times and SEOLinkVine has done nothing.

                How long is this publishing delay likely to last Brad?

                Thanks.
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                • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
                  Hey Neil, likely by Monday. On top of the article backlog from launch, we were working to improve the speed of our crons to publish the articles, PLUS upgrading to a bigger server. A combination of doing both at the same time, caused an issue with the crons, causing a bigger article backlog. The crons didn't run for 12 full hours before we realized. It was just "fixed", so now are running again. But, as fate would have it, it's the end of the day on Friday and my developers leave the office in 10 minutes (5pm). So, by Monday the cron(s) should be rolling pretty good. And my guys will be back full force to make sure things are running perfectly. Hope that makes sense. Thanks a ton for your patience.

                  Brad
                  P.S. Keep on chugging away with the article submissions and it will all even out once everything settles down.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Seth Stewart
                    Simon, Neil & Spencer, thanks! Very knowledgeable responses from experienced IMers, really appreciate it.

                    I'm a little newer and wasn't even clear what "clustering" meant or why she emphasizes it so much. But you made it clear that lots of spread out BLs can drive SEO just as well as clusters, though she'd have you believe otherwise. I'm sure the quality and long-lasting-ness of links from clustered content is perhaps better, so like Simon said, good to use both, not just one or the other.

                    I'm very serious about full-time, long-term success in IM, so I appreciate her drive & focus about building that. But it's nice to know Brad's approach can work well too,'cause her stuff really is long-winded and hard to get through. Maybe someone else will do a course in her clustering approach that's less dense and easier to assimilate.

                    Meantime I'd love to hear Brad himself weigh in on this..I'm sure he's experienced in both approaches and would love to hear his take on her comments...if you're there Brad?
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                    • Profile picture of the author neil_patmore
                      Thanks Brad. I'll go type some more :-)
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                    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
                      Originally Posted by rhythm View Post


                      I'm a little newer and wasn't even clear what "clustering" meant or why she emphasizes it so much. But you made it clear that lots of spread out BLs can drive SEO just as well as clusters, though she'd have you believe otherwise. I'm sure the quality and long-lasting-ness of links from clustered content is perhaps better, so like Simon said, good to use both, not just one or the other.
                      Look , here's the deal in this business.

                      People say ****.

                      People like to be controversial.

                      She knows this, it causes people to visit her site.

                      It causes some people to think that she must have something better.

                      Trying to actually gauge , which is "better" is extremely hard to
                      determine due to a million variables, I'll edge aggregated content
                      but it's slim and one takes considerably longer to setup and maintain.

                      Unless you have an almost Jerry West mentality to testing and the
                      resources and volume of sites and control variables, you'll come up short.

                      Anybody who solely relies on one method of link building or one
                      network, is a fool.
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          • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
            Originally Posted by rhythm View Post


            "Oh wow man! He is like 4 years LATE with the idea. I mean there's way too many services like that and if they worked it would be nice. But it won't.
            Erm , it does. Not alone, no , but as part of LB stratagy yes, Brad's never claimed it's the start and end game all rolled into one.

            it doesn't matter if you spin content on the fly and make submissions easy. THAT doesn't help SEO.
            Unique content doesn't help your SEO efforts huh...

            Ah well...The clustering is the point. Creating HUBS of content that make sense is what works. NOT a million submission locations..
            Sorta agreed , both work. Her approach and individual locations, to say that one way links from different properties doesn't add value in a backlinking strategy makes no sense , all of us have seen it do exactly that.

            I take her point however that clustering content hubs is valuable, it's about having a spread of stratagies, her's is one of them.

            Just sounds like "my stuff is better than his stuff" argument to me.
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          • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
            Originally Posted by rhythm View Post

            OK Brad, SEO LinkVine looks good, but I really want you to address the very relevant point posted by LinkDozer's Kristina (on ID Forum,) about how the basic concept of flooding submissions doesn't really help SEO...:

            "Oh wow man! He is like 4 years LATE with the idea. I mean there's way too many services like that and if they worked it would be nice. But it won't. Unfortunately a lot of people are going to fall for the idea because they are fed the concept over and over again. You just can't seem to have it SINK in that it doesn't matter if you spin content on the fly and make submissions easy. THAT doesn't help SEO. Ah well...The clustering is the point. Creating HUBS of content that make sense is what works. NOT a million submission locations...By the way, what that looks like is just an "improved" HyperVRE, which is ultimate crap story for people.

            He sank Keyword Elite and now seems to continue in the footsteps...

            That is what happens when you can't come up with a BETTER way of doing things..

            The very first and one of the best among these concepts was actually Chris Crompton's content spooling network. It worked at the time, but as I said, the problem is in the concept itself. So what if there is 5000 blogs you can get links from...the spinning (Blending) is NOT the solution. As [experienced IMers should] already know, it is a little bit more complex than that."

            Not to throw a wrench into this thread or the good things that have been said about your product. But she makes a good point, and it seems fair to address any shortcomings of this type of system, even if yours is the best one so far. Thanks
            Sorry I disagree. Basic one way linking works and will work. If I am right, such basic one way linking builds the basement for all SEO and even the clusters, just that the clustering creates a stronger link value, but I believe that power can be outnumbered by simply building a massive one way linking campaign and that's the secret behind the success of SEOLV system.

            Anyway at SEOLV you're given a solid 50+ days money back guarantee. Try it and if you think it didn't work, then you will get your money back. That bold guarantee is offered only because this system works.
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          • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
            Originally Posted by rhythm View Post

            OK Brad, SEO LinkVine looks good, but I really want you to address the very relevant point posted by LinkDozer's Kristina (on ID Forum,) about how the basic concept of flooding submissions doesn't really help SEO...:

            "Oh wow man! He is like 4 years LATE with the idea. I mean there's way too many services like that and if they worked it would be nice. But it won't. Unfortunately a lot of people are going to fall for the idea because they are fed the concept over and over again. You just can't seem to have it SINK in that it doesn't matter if you spin content on the fly and make submissions easy. THAT doesn't help SEO. Ah well...The clustering is the point. Creating HUBS of content that make sense is what works. NOT a million submission locations...By the way, what that looks like is just an "improved" HyperVRE, which is ultimate crap story for people.

            He sank Keyword Elite and now seems to continue in the footsteps...

            That is what happens when you can't come up with a BETTER way of doing things..

            The very first and one of the best among these concepts was actually Chris Crompton's content spooling network. It worked at the time, but as I said, the problem is in the concept itself. So what if there is 5000 blogs you can get links from...the spinning (Blending) is NOT the solution. As [experienced IMers should] already know, it is a little bit more complex than that."

            Not to throw a wrench into this thread or the good things that have been said about your product. But she makes a good point, and it seems fair to address any shortcomings of this type of system, even if yours is the best one so far. Thanks
            Hmmm let me see...

            SEOLV allows you to spin articles and submit them to a private members blog network.

            LD allows you to spin articles and submit them to a private members blog network.

            SEOLV allows you to choose where to post your articles to keep them on topic.

            LD allows you to choose where to post your articles to keep them on topic. Unfortunately LD blogs are full of articles on many, many topics instead of specialising in one topic. For example you can have a mortgage article followed by a breast implant article on the same blog!

            To me SEOLV scores better with it's system.

            Is LD 4 years out of date too? BTW I'm a member of LD too (but not for long after this)! I don't see very little difference between either product. One is easy to use, the other requires the brains of a nuclear scientist to use. One costs $47 a month, one $97 a month. LD has a good spinner. SEOLV has an average spinner. LD has a thesaurus that takes months and months of work to set up. I haven't bothered with it because I have a life. SEOLV thesaurus is average.

            Anything else LD does is pure overkill and uses this to sell it's product as something very special and if you digress from this system you are doomed to failure.

            Yes there's plenty of sarcasm on there about Brad's product. I doubt any of them have actually used it yet. They don't know what the blog network is like or the quality of the blogs. Just guessing.

            Clustering will obviously be better. But having been a member 4 for months I have to say the blog network in LD is unimpressive to say the least and it's been going nearly a year.

            Someone refers to Brad as 'just another guru' selling a product. What does he think Kristina is doing then.

            Any network will only be as good as the members in it. If the members spin junk articles on their network it will fail. It's less likely to in SEOLV because we the blog owners can see and reject articles. In LD you can't. You have to 'report' it.

            I'd recommend trying products yourself to see what works for you. I've tried LD for 4 months and it's not been good for me. It has so much promise but it's so time consuming and difficult to work with.

            I may be back in 4 months saying the same about SEOLV, that remains to be seen! But I doubt it.
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            • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
              Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

              Hmmm let me see...

              SEOLV allows you to spin articles and submit them to a private members blog network.

              LD allows you to spin articles and submit them to a private members blog network.

              [...]
              I assume you are talking about LinkDozer? Link Dozer is way over my head, i don't even think i have the time to learn it. I wish i had. No question it is powerful, but i don't think that SEOLV and LD compare in terms of ease to use...
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          • Profile picture of the author A Bary
            Originally Posted by rhythm View Post

            OK Brad, SEO LinkVine looks good, but I really want you to address the very relevant point posted by LinkDozer's Kristina (on ID Forum,) about how the basic concept of flooding submissions doesn't really help SEO...:

            "Oh wow man! He is like 4 years LATE with the idea. I mean there's way too many services like that and if they worked it would be nice. But it won't. Unfortunately a lot of people are going to fall for the idea because they are fed the concept over and over again. You just can't seem to have it SINK in that it doesn't matter if you spin content on the fly and make submissions easy. THAT doesn't help SEO. Ah well...The clustering is the point. Creating HUBS of content that make sense is what works. NOT a million submission locations...By the way, what that looks like is just an "improved" HyperVRE, which is ultimate crap story for people.

            He sank Keyword Elite and now seems to continue in the footsteps...

            That is what happens when you can't come up with a BETTER way of doing things..

            The very first and one of the best among these concepts was actually Chris Crompton's content spooling network. It worked at the time, but as I said, the problem is in the concept itself. So what if there is 5000 blogs you can get links from...the spinning (Blending) is NOT the solution. As [experienced IMers should] already know, it is a little bit more complex than that."

            Not to throw a wrench into this thread or the good things that have been said about your product. But she makes a good point, and it seems fair to address any shortcomings of this type of system, even if yours is the best one so far. Thanks
            WTF Are you doing?

            Why you're bringing Kristina's opinion here without her permission, get here involved in a discussion and even being attacked by others while she never commented and maybe she don't know about this thread?

            If you can't understand what she says, you can ask her, not copy and paste something she posted elsewhere.
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            • Profile picture of the author Seth Stewart
              Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

              WTF Are you doing?

              Why you're bringing Kristina's opinion here without her permission, get here involved in a discussion and even being attacked by others while she never commented and maybe she don't know about this thread?

              If you can't understand what she says, you can ask her, not copy and paste something she posted elsewhere.
              Totally disagree A Bary.

              Kristina published her opinions about SEOLV in a public place...hence the word "published." And many of the things she said were a real put-down to Brad...but he didn't know about that thread, and wasn't on that forum to defend himself. Taste of her own medicine.

              Most of the people on this forum who responded here did NOT attack her, they just calmly compared the pros & cons of each program, which is exactly what the purpose of this forum is...that's why it's called IM Product Reviews & Ratings. Many of the responders have owned or at least tried both programs, and their experience and input was very helpful in making a final decision about which one will be the best fit for anyone interested in buying one of the products...once again, Product Reviews & Ratings is the forum's name, and there's no reviewing or rating a product without comparing it to other recent products with similar features. There isn't a single thread in this forum that doesn't bring up other similar programs for comparison when reviewing a new launch, you know that.

              Look back over all the posts, you'll see almost no one said anything bad about Kristina, most actually respect how deep her program goes, it's just that some said it was too deep to be useful for them even after months of study. That's not an attack, that's just good comparison shopping & reviewing.

              So WTF are you doing here?
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      • Profile picture of the author essmeier
        I would suggest using Jon Ledger's The Best Spinner if you're wanting incredible article spins.

        Am I understanding you correctly, Brad? It seems that you're saying, "Yes, we know our spinning feature doesn't work all that well, so you should buy Jon Ledger's (sic) product, too."

        I don't know that I need "great" article spins. Spins that are similar to what I saw in the demo video would be helpful, as would anything that saves me, rather than costs me, time.

        Like I said, the thesaurus recommended 31 words, or parts of words for replacement, and then failed to offer a useful suggestion for replacing any of them. That makes the feature currently useless.

        A moment ago, I pasted in an article about mortgage debt. Here are some suggestions that the thesaurus offered:

        For "seven" the thesaurus suggested "heptad."
        For "fifteen", the thesaurus offered "XV".
        For "thought", the thesaurus offered "intellection."
        For "residence, the thesaurus offered "abidance" and "mansion house."

        The thesaurus offered no suggestions for any of the main keywords of the article - loan, payments, debt, mortgage. Just stuff like suggesting that I replace "credit cards" with "recognition" "card game."

        I don't think such substitution will make for a very readable article.

        I'll keep an eye out for improvements in the thesaurus. It would be useful if the thesaurus had the ability to learn over time. As for now, it doesn't seem at all useful, and the ability to use the thesaurus to spin was promoted as one of the features of the product.

        Charlie
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        • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
          Originally Posted by essmeier View Post


          For "seven" the thesaurus suggested "heptad."
          For "fifteen", the thesaurus offered "XV".
          For "thought", the thesaurus offered "intellection."
          For "residence, the thesaurus offered "abidance" and "mansion house."

          Charlie
          Charlie, you made me LOL a little inside.

          SEOLV spinner ain't on par with TBS, (nothing is frankly) but you
          got really unlucky,with that mess.

          I've played with Link Vines spinner and it churned out a reasonable
          response on a good chunk of the article.

          I realize it's an extra cost but TBS is $77 a year and you know
          what it's soooooo good, you'll never look at article spinning in the
          same way again.

          I can hit 1 button and get about 50% uniqueness, instantly.
          Spend another 30 minutes on a 800 word document you can
          have 100% min, you can nest 4 deep if you want to and
          dam it's easy to do.

          If you pay careful attention to the snyo replacement early
          you can push the "make me 250 versions" button and I tell you
          they are almost all really readable, it's frankly daft.

          He could charge $200 per month for that and it would be worth it.

          Unless Brad incorporates the TBS api or plageurises the shared
          database concept Jon's does, the built in LV one will never be on par.

          I would just go blast $77 bucks, sit back, and laugh at how
          easy it is to now have a gazillion articles in 1 hour.

          Then plumb those into LV and you've got the best of both worlds.
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  • Profile picture of the author remodeler
    For me, the thesaurus has proven to basically be useless for the 10 articles I've submitted so far. Very few of the suggestions fit at all. If it had the capability of the the best spinner then this would be an over the top app.

    That said, I still like this program and glad I signed up. I'm looking forward to the many positive changes Brad has said will be implemented. Right now it is simply seems to be going through some growing pains with the backlog of unapproved article submissions and needing to have many more blogs in the system.
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  • Profile picture of the author njaad
    Wanted to check some reviews about this product, and all I got was this thread of whiners. Anyway, I'll check it out for myself. Thank you very much.
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  • Profile picture of the author msoon2k
    hey guys, i just signed up.

    How much are you guys spinning? one sentence 3 times plus internal word spins? or are you guys doing the UAW type paragraph spins?

    From watching the video, the examples look under-spun. Advise anyone?
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    • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
      Originally Posted by msoon2k View Post

      hey guys, i just signed up.

      How much are you guys spinning? one sentence 3 times plus internal word spins? or are you guys doing the UAW type paragraph spins?

      From watching the video, the examples look under-spun. Advise anyone?
      I am using The Best Spinner for spinning, you can get a 7 day trial for $7. Try it, you'll save lots of time and the spin job will be the best.
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    • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
      Originally Posted by msoon2k View Post

      hey guys, i just signed up.

      How much are you guys spinning? one sentence 3 times plus internal word spins? or are you guys doing the UAW type paragraph spins?

      From watching the video, the examples look under-spun. Advise anyone?
      Is that right about UAW? No wonder I stopped receiving their articles to my blogs, there were so many duplicates. Spinning a paragraph isn't enough then.

      I spin the paragraph, then the sentences, the words too. Takes 45 minutes to an hour and you get really high uniqueness and 100's of articles from it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
        Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post


        I spin the paragraph, then the sentences, the words too. Takes 45 minutes to an hour and you get really high uniqueness and 100's of articles from it.
        Same.

        This is my process, if it helps anybody.

        1) Manual spin of the paragraph structure and position, some tidying up
        to ensure a contiguos feel to the content.
        Time for 800 word article, approx 15 mins.

        2) TBS to manual sentence spin.
        Time for 800 word article, approx 25 mins.

        3)I then hit the good old "replace everybodies favorites" button, or as I like
        to call it the "do all this crap for me button". Normally gives me about 45%
        uniqueness out of the box.
        Time for 800 word article , approx 20 seconds.

        4) I then use the preview field of the actual article in TBS and make sure
        the syno replacement makes sense in every part of the article, get this
        wrong and you'll end up with a good awful mess in the last step.
        Time For 800 word article, approx, 15 minutes.

        5) I then go through and do all the missing syno replacements, that the
        replace everybodies favorites didn't deal with.
        Time for 800 word article, approx 30 minutes.

        6) I push the "make me a crap load of this article button" and set it to
        250 copies.

        I get up and do something else, due to extreme tedium setting in.

        However I just created 250 almost utterly unique highly themed
        and readable articles, which even get accepted to ezine.

        Spinning should not equate to crap content, it should just be different
        ways of saying the same thing. There is zero reason with the
        technology kicking about now to have these ludicrous pieces
        of content out there which look like a dyslexic blind non English
        speaker stuck pins in a dictionary and hoped for the best.

        You can short cut many elements above but you'll end up with a result
        that ain't as good , surprise surprise.

        Make sure that every sentence makes perfect sense with the
        syno replacement and you're gold.
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  • Profile picture of the author Musa_Aykac
    Hey guys I will give the thumbs up to SEOLV

    I am a big fan of this service and MAN

    In my opinion the more of these networks a person uses the better, simply because they all have different sites in the network.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I have deep respect for the coder of LD, she must be such a hardcore geek. But its just such a steep learning curve.

    As for those networks like SEOLV and articleranks...i wish that many people sign up and also add good sites to them to make any/both of those networks top notch!
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  • Profile picture of the author msoon2k
    dotcomdesigns: i think he's just stirring things up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
    I can't wait till the middle of the month when I can finally join SEOLV
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    • Profile picture of the author Seth Stewart
      Brad, about to buy SEOLV, just checking about Macs?

      I know most SEOLV is web based and so will work on Windows or Mac, but I heard that the stand-alone analytics/rank-checker module and other parts may not be Mac-compatible, please advise.

      Seriously, I'm excited to buy SEOLV...the only reason I thought of passing on your new product is because you had a notice on the Keyword Elite order page that said you were working on a Mac version and would have it up in about 45 days. That notice stayed the same for AGES, never updated, plus you emailed me twice it was going to come, and it NEVER came. I don't give a s**t what anyone says about, "Mac owners make up only 10%, so developers don't have to pay attention to them." Mac owners are some of the most devoted computer people in the world, and are definitely deserving of your attention.

      OK sorry for that rant. It just really tweaked me that you never delivered on your KE Mac promise, and if I'm going to buy your SEOLV, I want to make sure I'm going to be taken care of. Show me some MacLove!
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Hey Rhythm, the MAC version of KE 2.0 has been available for quite some time. Maybe 5 or 6 months now. I emailed out about it, but maybe it went to your junk mail. Not sure?

        As for the rank tracker in SEOLV, yeah, it's an exe. We've had a couple people ask for a MAC version of the rank tracker, so will likely get to it in the next couple of months. The main priority now is publishing speed and increasing the size of the blog network. The rank tracker for MAC is definitely on the "to do" list though.

        Thanks.

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        • Profile picture of the author Seth Stewart
          Thanks Brad. Sorry to scold about Mac KE when you actually DID deliver...you're right, I somehow never got the memo. But I get that you are truly trying to satisfy Mac customers too, and I really appreciate that.

          Until there's a Mac version of SEOLV's Rank Tracker, I'm assuming I can run it on my Mac in VirtualPC or Parallels, correct?
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  • Profile picture of the author james123612
    SEO is really good way to do this work.I am also doing the same thing for my website.You can get good links from seo.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Hey Rhythm, no worries. Email stinks sometimes. About the rank tracker, I'm assuming you could, but I don't know for sure. I can count with my hands the number of times I've used the MAC in our office. I'm a rookie for sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sekar Ram
    What PR backlink one can get from SEOLV network?
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  • Profile picture of the author rizzy
    I have looked at these programs before and have thought about signing up. It sounds great, but I always have one question on it.

    What stops Google staff, etc. from going out and subscribing to these networks and finding domains involved and discounting links from it or banning sites etc?
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by rizzy View Post

      I have looked at these programs before and have thought about signing up. It sounds great, but I always have one question on it.

      What stops Google staff, etc. from going out and subscribing to these networks and finding domains involved and discounting links from it or banning sites etc?
      Probably the same reason why "Google doesn't go out" on social bookmarking sites and "bans" all sites which are bookmarked?

      In my opinion, such a system like SEOLV is (if at all!) only "slightly gray" and not even in the same ballpark like real B**HAT methods, aka X*rumer, link spamming and so forth...

      I am distributing content to other blogs - so what?

      Come on guys, let's ban ANY AND EVERY kind of similar and related things, starting with article submission, ezine articles, directories, social bookmarks, blog commenting, RSS feeds, better even: Lets BAN all SEO sites blogs and services too.... You see where this is going? <--- this doesn't make ANY sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
      Originally Posted by rizzy View Post

      I have looked at these programs before and have thought about signing up. It sounds great, but I always have one question on it.

      What stops Google staff, etc. from going out and subscribing to these networks and finding domains involved and discounting links from it or banning sites etc?
      The beauty of systems like this is that they are not different from regular posts. It is when the network owners get greedy and add something that can be footprinted that they get penalised (or neutralised).

      Google have knocked networks out in the past but those networks used more obvious methods.
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    • Profile picture of the author chini
      Originally Posted by rizzy View Post

      I have looked at these programs before and have thought about signing up. It sounds great, but I always have one question on it.

      What stops Google staff, etc. from going out and subscribing to these networks and finding domains involved and discounting links from it or banning sites etc?
      Think about it the other way around. If google really did ban these sites, that means anyone can ban or discount a site by simply submitting their competitors sites via these programs.

      These programs will work for a long time, as long as the content which is been transferred around is unique and decent quallity.

      That is why the networks with good filters who remove the junk content which is submitted will prevail and be the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary McLean
    Does anyone know how long the $47 price is going to be around for SEOV please? Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Lee
    I've read though a lot of this thread, and there are a few good questions that I didn't see answered.

    1. What is the general PR range for network?

    2. I always heard it's NOT about the number of backlinks, it's the SEO value they provide. A lower number of High PR sites will do more good then a lot of LOW pr backlinks... How is this any better than the free traffic system? (other than a better spinner)

    3. Do you just sumbit to blogs, or is it blogs & article directories?

    Can someone clarify?
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      Hey Dave, it's going to stay at $47 for at least another full month. I'd be happy to shoot you an email to give you a week, or so, notice before it changes, if you want.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
    In what order would you guys use the following paid tools? Meaning if you had to rate them in order of which you would buy and use first. Bookmarking Demon, Senuke, and SEO LinkVine.

    Thanks guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Lee
    Hi Brad:

    I've got a few questions:

    1. What is the general PR range for network?

    2. I always heard it's NOT about the number of backlinks, it's the SEO value they provide. A lower number of High PR sites will do more good then a lot of LOW pr backlinks... How is this any better than the free traffic system? (other than a better spinner)

    3. Do you just sumbit to blogs, or is it blogs & article directories?

    Can you clarify?
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  • Profile picture of the author jackgm
    Hi Brad. I have a question for you. Why do you think that articles over 500 words will help more with the rankings?

    Why are 300 words articles less likely to help?

    One reason I can understand is that some blogs and article directories don't accept articles less than 400. Any other good reason? I'm thinking to try SEOLV.

    Do you allow spinning of title, article body, summary and resource boxes? Do you allow nested spinning? Do you allow gradual or scheduled submissions?

    Waiting for your reply now.
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  • Profile picture of the author moneymakingmuses
    Hi Brad,
    As a user of SEOLinkVine, I have a couple of questions. Firstly, I'd like to say how impressed I am in general with the product. You've created a very simple (and I hope very powerful) piece of software. So far the content being delivered to one of my blogs is spot one and very relevant.

    My question for you is around getting my articles published. I've now submitted 3 articles to the network (1 on 28th, 1 on 29th and 1 today) and so far only the first one has been submitted to the network (although no-one has yet approved this article). The other 2 articles have not been submitted (I noticed the you are experiencing a delay in submitting - Is this the issue?)

    IMHO the articles are of high quality (of course, I would say that ) so I was wondering if there is some reason that only the first article has been submitted and also why it has yet to be published? Any tips of insights would be great.

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Hey, thanks for the kind words. Yeah, the publishing is a combination of an unusually high number of articles queued up from the launch + a problem with our server upgrade which caused our cron job to completely stop for 12 hours causing a bigger backlog + lead developer having to miss work on Friday because of a family commitment. This week, everything should get back to normal. I'm ready for Monday to get here, so all of our guys will be in the office and ready to roll.

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  • Profile picture of the author Alexissalaam
    Hi Brad

    Great system you got here but,
    Why should we put post on our blogs
    that will drive people to other sites, I found
    a good article for my site but I'm not sure
    if I want to post it because my site is starting
    to make some money but I really dont want them
    to leave my site and go buy a similar product that
    I'm selling it might even be the same product.

    Anybody can comment on this please.

    Alexis
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    • Profile picture of the author Seattle Mike
      Originally Posted by Alexissalaam View Post

      Hi Brad

      Great system you got here but,
      Why should we put post on our blogs
      that will drive people to other sites, I found
      a good article for my site but I'm not sure
      if I want to post it because my site is starting
      to make some money but I really dont want them
      to leave my site and go buy a similar product that
      I'm selling it might even be the same product.

      Anybody can comment on this please.

      Alexis
      If you can write enough of your own content, you don't need to post others stuff.

      But if you have a lot of sites, this is a huge help and worth some people leaving on outgoing links. As long as the content is good. The more pages and new things on your blog the better.

      Most people are going to leave your site. So don't worry about having a few outgoing links to others, just make sure they can easily see what you offer.

      Search traffic are cruisers. They click a link to a page and cruise through. Read a bit, browse for something interesting and they are off to the next thing. Often times they only stick around for seconds so it is about having plenty of articles. So you get plenty of cruisers and a few will spot your offer and check it out.
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      • Profile picture of the author Votoshka
        If you find a low quality blog publishing your articles, then you always have the option of reporting it.

        I did a google search of an article I'd posted to SEOlinkvine to see where it was turning up, and one of the blogs it was on did some weird redirect with my links. (I don't know much about redirects but others of you probably understand what they did). Basically, if you moused over the link it showed the link as pointing to some internal page on their blog site, but if you clicked it, it still went to my site. However, if you check the page source etc. there was no mention of my site, meaning, I was pretty sure, I wasn't getting any link juice from it.

        Anyhow, I reported the blog, and received an answer pretty quickly from Brad who had the blog deleted from the network. Now, obviously this wasn't just a "crappy" blog where the blog owner hadn't even bothered to change the theme or get rid of the "Hello World" post, but I'm fairly sure Brad wants a quality network of blogs as much as all the users do!

        I have a blog in the network which I manually accept articles for, because I believe it should be providing a certain level of quality. I have had to reject some articles, either because they were way off topic, or because I read the first few sentences and thought: "WHAAAAAT??" So, yeah, some folks aren't producing great quality content, or don't really understand how to make their articles spinnable so that the resulting articles actually make SENSE! However, most articles are pretty good, and most I've been able to accept for the blog.
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        • Profile picture of the author AzzX
          Originally Posted by Votoshka View Post

          I did a google search of an article I'd posted to SEOlinkvine to see where it was turning up, and one of the blogs it was on did some weird redirect with my links. (I don't know much about redirects but others of you probably understand what they did). Basically, if you moused over the link it showed the link as pointing to some internal page on their blog site, but if you clicked it, it still went to my site.
          The wordpress Link Cloaking plugin does this.

          A few users are bringing up the standard of blogs being a bit of concern but some of the articles are barely readable in english. Some of the content is great - spun or otherwise, so I guess you have to set the option approve manually.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary McLean
    Pardon my ignorance here, but do the Search Engines have a choice when "listing" a site?
    I mean, is it optional for them?

    I never thought about it before, but if the so called "porn" sites & all that type of stuff that are out there, how do they get found if a search engine doesn't list them?

    I'm not into that stuff, but I got to thinking, from this conversation, that it seems grossly discriminatory of S/E's to sandbox or slap you isn't it, when you're into G rated commerce?

    It seems they have 2 levels of "morals"!

    Kindest,
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeb
    I agree with the quality of blogs in the network. This can make you or break you so to speak. Brad, if you want long lasting happy campers on your network, weed out those spammy sites which could infact even hurt your whole network in the long run. Those .info's seems to be spammy at first sight. Haven't seen a good .info site in the network...yet.

    I'm sure that most will agree with this and won't even mind paying about $100 per month for a high quality blog network. That is all that matters to me. A good, well monitored quality network with links to my site.
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    • Profile picture of the author chini
      Originally Posted by Zeb View Post

      I agree with the quality of blogs in the network. This can make you or break you so to speak. Brad, if you want long lasting happy campers on your network, weed out those spammy sites which could infact even hurt your whole network in the long run. Those .info's seems to be spammy at first sight. Haven't seen a good .info site in the network...yet.

      I'm sure that most will agree with this and won't even mind paying about $100 per month for a high quality blog network. That is all that matters to me. A good, well monitored quality network with links to my site.
      I would say terminate the ability for .info to be allowed on the network, in the 1st place. Most of the time they are used for spamming.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
    Very happy with SEOLV so far and I got to say: My articles have been published over 100 times (in total) already, even though we're apparently in a slow phase because of the poblems Brad mentioned earlier.

    Anyway, I have one suggestion I'd like to make: Right now, the rank-checking tool simply picks up every combination of keywords and URL it finds in the articles and starts tracking those. Could you include an option to turn this off, so that the tracking tool only tracks keywords and URLs that the user inputs manually?

    I personally like to get a good amount of variation in my anchor texts, to make the backlinks look more natural. This means that I always have to manually remove the listings from the rank-tracker that are just spun variations of my actual, targeted keyword.

    I personally thoughts I wouldn't even be using the tracking tool, since I have (expensive) software to do this already. But I reall like the SEOLV tool and it's actually better than what I've been using so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    it should help all kinds of sites...just do some keyword research and know what keywords you want to rank for.
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  • Profile picture of the author jackgm
    Guys be realistic. Most blogs in such networks ARE auto blogs because by the time they will actually review the article manually, it will already be published on several other blogs making it duplicate. If you auto accept it, you have the possibility to be at least amongst the first few publishers of that article.

    @Brad: Thanks a lot for your detailed reply. I spin my articles before submitting them to any network so 550 will be nearly double work for me, right? Will the benefits far outweigh the efforts in that case? I normally prefer a bit above 300 words, say 315 words. Is that going to be okay with SEOLV?
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by jackgm View Post

      Guys be realistic. Most blogs in such networks ARE auto blogs because by the time they will actually review the article manually, it will already be published on several other blogs making it duplicate.
      OMG, the world comes to an end!

      You realize that if you submit an article to ezine articles or whatever article directory that SYNDICATION is an essential part, its actually desired to get your links out.

      Do you seriously think Google goes after all the blogs and sites because their articles might appear somewhere else?

      Do me a favor and research some recent news from news aggregator sites and similar, you will notice that a zillion of sites will feature the SAME content.
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      • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
        Most of my blogs are autoblogs now. However you'd find it difficult to know this as a visitor. I take a lot of time setting them up, building my own themes, adding video, shopping pages etc etc. One of my autoblogs has a page rank of 3, gets plenty of traffic and doesn't have one single unique article on it.

        Duplicate content is a complete myth. There are some very successful sites that only function with syndicated content. However there's good autoblogs and there's bad autoblogs as there are good unique content sites as there are bad ones.

        BTW I've found my links on another 'bog standard' autoblog using the default Wordpress install, even with 'Just another WordPress weblog' as the tag line, hello world opening post, blogroll, blah blah blah. I'm wondering if these were blogs set up for the beta testing phase and haven't been removed yet. I can't think of any reason why you'd have a site like this other than for testing. They're not monetized in any way but someone's paying hosting and domain fees for them!

        I'm assuming Brad and his team will get on top of this in the coming weeks.
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        • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
          Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

          BTW I've found my links on another 'bog standard' autoblog using the default Wordpress install, even with 'Just another WordPress weblog' as the tag line, hello world opening post, blogroll, blah blah blah. I'm wondering if these were blogs set up for the beta testing phase and haven't been removed yet. I can't think of any reason why you'd have a site like this other than for testing. They're not monetized in any way but someone's paying hosting and domain fees for them!

          I'm assuming Brad and his team will get on top of this in the coming weeks.
          During pre-launch, there was a short period where you could get $1 for every site added to the network, if I recall correctly. I can imagine that many went ahead and slapped a WP install on all of their unused domains and added them to the network.
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          • Profile picture of the author rayan
            Hi,

            I have been trying for the last half an hour trying to purchase through PayPal but it keeps throwing me the following error:



            Can some help me? Where can I report this error?I thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Since this is going on for a little now, can someone already post results, eg. how many of your articles got distributed since you signed up? So we have a comparison to other such networks?
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    • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
      Here are my stats:


      Total articles submitted to the system: 1062 (1063 total articles)
      Total number of times those articles have been approved: 7360
      Total number of times those articles were presented to site owners: 10321
      Total acceptance rate by site owners: 93 %

      Yes, I have submitted more than 1000 SPUN articles into the system UAW style.

      I'll wait for a month to check how many more links I will get from this network as opposed to using AMA and UAW.
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      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
        Originally Posted by jacksonlin View Post

        Here are my stats:


        Total articles submitted to the system: 1062 (1063 total articles)
        Total number of times those articles have been approved: 7360
        Total number of times those articles were presented to site owners: 10321
        Total acceptance rate by site owners: 93 %

        Yes, I have submitted more than 1000 SPUN articles into the system UAW style.

        I'll wait for a month to check how many more links I will get from this network as opposed to using AMA and UAW.
        wow..i am speechless. How many of the same (spun) articles do you submit in what time frame, and why do you think there is a benefit in submitting so many articles?

        Let's say i have ONE site i want to promote....is there a point in submitting 100s of articles for that one site?
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      • Profile picture of the author remodeler
        Originally Posted by jacksonlin View Post

        Here are my stats:


        Total articles submitted to the system: 1062 (1063 total articles)
        Total number of times those articles have been approved: 7360
        Total number of times those articles were presented to site owners: 10321
        Total acceptance rate by site owners: 93 %

        Yes, I have submitted more than 1000 SPUN articles into the system UAW style.

        I'll wait for a month to check how many more links I will get from this network as opposed to using AMA and UAW.
        Maybe this helps to explain part of the massive backlog...

        Are these 1,062 different article topics, or are these just a couple of individual articles that you spun many times and submitted?
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    Brad

    I'm aware with AMA that your articles are submitted into their network for only 60 days where you get 1 to 4 links. After that you have to resubmit your articles again.

    Is this the same with SEO Linkvine?

    I surely hope not!
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    well i have officially given up with it. 5 articles and about 6 posts in a week. Told time and time again to wait......but I have given up. Maybe it's not for my niche? But the sales copy never mentioned this? Good bye
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    • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
      Total articles submitted to the system: 5 (5 total articles)
      Total number of times those articles have been approved: 45
      Total number of times those articles were presented to site owners: 74
      Total acceptance rate by site owners: 83 %

      20 still pending.

      Very pleased so far. Just wish I could find out the quality of the blogs my articles are on.
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    • Profile picture of the author Votoshka
      Hmm... maybe I missed something, but what is the point of submitting over 1000 already spun articles to the network? I mean, SEOLinkVine already spins your articles and sends out (I'm assuming) different versions each time it gets submitted to a different blog.

      Wouldn't you be better off just creating one highly spinnable article and submitting that? What I imagine happens is that with all those 1000+ spun articles, they must go to the SAME blogs over and over again (being in the same niches as each other) and thus the same blogs just have multiple spun articles on the same topic (with presumably the same links).

      Maybe there's something I'm missing here though
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    • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
      Originally Posted by sloanjim View Post

      well i have officially given up with it. 5 articles and about 6 posts in a week. Told time and time again to wait......but I have given up. Maybe it's not for my niche? But the sales copy never mentioned this? Good bye
      Seriously? Only five articles and a few days, with a clear message that they're having problems with the submission right now and are working on fixing them, and you're ready to give up?

      How about you wait for a few days and see if the submission problems are resolved?
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    I have been using UAW and AMA for over a year and those 1000s articles are pointing to around 100 or so different sites.

    So it's not 1000 articles at one site.

    I do deep linking for all my sites, and 20 of the sites have at least 25 pages minimum.
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  • Profile picture of the author smartgirl
    Hi Brad,

    I have a couple of websites in the male enhancement niche. Do you accept this type of content?
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by smartgirl View Post

      Hi Brad,

      I have a couple of websites in the male enhancement niche. Do you accept this type of content?
      Hey smartgirl, I'm very sorry, but any adult oriented website is not permitted in SEOLV. Obviously a few may slip in, but they are removed as we're notified of them. Thanks for considering SEOLV, but you may want to check out another network. Hope you can understand.

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      • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
        Brad I sent you this before in the thread, but I think you missed it.

        1.I'm aware with AMA that your articles are submitted into their network for only 60 days where you get 1 to 4 links. After that you have to resubmit your articles again.

        Is this the same with SEO Linkvine?

        I surely hope not!

        2. Do you actually get visitors going onto the sites in the blog network, if so how many? I'm thinking of adding a few blogs to the network.
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  • Profile picture of the author JMartin
    I joined a couple days ago and dropped in 3 of my higher-quality new items with a high-level of spin (all manually coded).

    So far 0 pickups.

    Kind of think there needs to be a limit per user if many people just re-dumping 1000s of articles causes a backflow.

    Looking at the guy's stats above, it seems that on average each article gets 10 approvals. That's not bad since you can use the content elsewhere if it's high-level stuff.

    I'm just planning for 1 high-level release each day for basically one of my sites to SEOLV to see what happens at the end of the month.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
    I'm pretty certain you can expect more than 10 approvals/article.

    I already have several articles posted on 20 blogs, despite the backlog issue.
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    • Profile picture of the author JMartin
      Originally Posted by ShaneRQR View Post

      I'm pretty certain you can expect more than 10 approvals/article.

      I already have several articles posted on 20 blogs, despite the backlog issue.
      That's cool. I wouldn't mind if it was 10 decent places.

      2 of mine are about 550 words and it says about 87% spun.

      The last one is 350-400 words and 100%.

      Can't wait to see how it all goes down. Hope to start seeing some pickups in a day or two.
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  • Profile picture of the author rogelio_sevilla
    Hi everyone, i'm new to the forum and I was looking at some SEO link vine reviews...this thread is awesome. And I wanted to ask you guys (I know you're the experts) a couple of questions:

    1.- I was on the "dark side" (black hat SEO) and eventually, I got pretty punished by google.. they deindexed ALL of my sites and dropped their page rank. Yeah I know, learned the lesson the HARD WAY.. sorry , never going to do that again. But I'm worried that every new site that I make Is going to get deindexed because my name was on those sites (second error... keep them coming hahaha). So the questions .. are my new sites safe from "eternal punishment" ?? .. if not... what should i do?? ... and more important.. is SEO Link vine safe from this??

    2.- I want to attack spanish markets, could SEO Link Vine help me on this?


    Thank you a lot for your time guys, I really appreciate it
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    • Profile picture of the author chini
      Originally Posted by rogelio_sevilla View Post

      Hi everyone, i'm new to the forum and I was looking at some SEO link vine reviews...this thread is awesome. And I wanted to ask you guys (I know you're the experts) a couple of questions:

      1.- I was on the "dark side" (black hat SEO) and eventually, I got pretty punished by google.. they deindexed ALL of my sites and dropped their page rank. Yeah I know, learned the lesson the HARD WAY.. sorry , never going to do that again. But I'm worried that every new site that I make Is going to get deindexed because my name was on those sites (second error... keep them coming hahaha).

      Thank you a lot for your time guys, I really appreciate it
      Doubt that, but if you are really concerned buy domains via namecheap and add privacy to each domain which is free.
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  • Profile picture of the author StephA
    Well, I've been using this for a week now, and here are my results:

    I've only submitted 4 articles. They've each been about 300-350 words long, and spun to 80%.

    Of those, two have been picked up and published eleven times, while one has only been submitted to two other blogs, and the last I just put in yesterday (it hasn't been submitted to any blogs yet). The first one I wrote last Tuesday only has been submitted twice. It's in the gardening niche. I don't know if it's stuck, or there are only two gardening blogs to post to, or it just got stuck in the backlog.

    But of the two that have been published, I've seen a significant improval in the SERPS. One has gone from number nine to number four, and the other has gone from eleven to seven.

    So overall, I'm pretty happy. It's a very easy to use system with just a few things that could be improved, like the spinner and the accept time. I'm hoping that today's promotion will give us a lot more blogs to publish to, and hopefully we'll continue to see the results!
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  • Profile picture of the author jackgm
    @GeorgeR: I know what I'm talking about. Duplicate content doesn't hurt but do you know that multiple duplicate content pages can't exist on the same Google results page?

    I know of the news aggregator sites too and how they scrape content from others.

    The truth is that most blogs don't moderate articles and they just auto accept the articles. The networks have the staff to check articles, so blog owners don't have to moderate articles. There are VERY few bloggers who'd look at such auto networks for content to keep their blogs alive.

    So everyone will like to have their post published before others so they can be considered more unique and have greater chances to appear on the first page. This factor IS important. They need the traffic after all, right?
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    • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
      Brad, Great to see that you've a competition going for the most number of blogs that are posted in the system. I can see the top 10 listings. If you can include their points near their name, I think It'll help encourage people to add more blogs to compete and get to the top.

      Regards
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      • Profile picture of the author chini
        Originally Posted by Spencer Jones View Post

        Brad, Great to see that you've a competition going for the most number of blogs that are posted in the system. I can see the top 10 listings. If you can include their points near their name, I think It'll help encourage people to add more blogs to compete and get to the top.

        Regards
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        + 1, im not adding my high PR blogs, until i see a target i need to beat.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Brad,

    i like what i see, but i have a minor issue with your editor:

    When i paste in my spun articles and add hyperlinks, it doesnt seem to get the spaces right in front of the hyperlink - and i always need to fiddle around in the HTML code to correct it. Example:

    {here~right here} {is to use~is by using} Some Software {due to~because of~thanks to} its {features~functions~capabilities~benefits~options~ abilities~qualities}
    So it would either either two spaces before the hyperlink or none.

    Edit: Seems to work now? Maybe i had a bad copy/paste job
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  • Profile picture of the author JMartin
    Anyone know if article approval/publishing is random?

    The article I did yesterday is live and has been used 6 times so far. However, the ones I did before that are still not published I guess (NA).
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Can you guys tell me how you submit "thousands" of articles? In what time did you submit about 1000 of articles? I assume you are with SEOLV since the beta...or you do nothing else the whole day than submitting?
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    • Profile picture of the author JMartin
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Can you guys tell me how you submit "thousands" of articles? In what time did you submit about 1000 of articles? I assume you are with SEOLV since the beta...or you do nothing else the whole day than submitting?
      My guess is they just used articles they already had and entered them into the system.

      Might take a day to do it, but you could dump a ton in there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
    Im using a WP blog, and using SEOLV has gotten my blog suspended for violating the ToS.

    Am I the only one this has happened to? Ways to fix this?
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Hi, I responded to another post in this thread about this. You're using SEOLV on a wordpress.com subdomain hosted on their server (i.e. yourblog.wordpress.com)

      They won't allow automated content to be published to sites on their server.

      You'll need to download their open source from wordpress.ORG and install it onto your own server to use SEOLV and honestly, if you're serious about running an online business, you need to have your own website and not host it as a subdomain on a blog platform like wordpress.com, anyway.

      Hope that better explains.

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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

        Hi, I responded to another post in this thread about this. You're using SEOLV on a wordpress.com subdomain hosted on their server (i.e. yourblog.wordpress.com)

        They won't allow automated content to be published to sites on their server.

        You'll need to download their open source from wordpress.ORG and install it onto your own server to use SEOLV and honestly, if you're serious about running an online business, you need to have your own website and not host it as a subdomain on a blog platform like wordpress.com, anyway.

        Hope that better explains.

        Brad
        If I'm using it for a network, it doesn't matter where it is hosted. In fact, it makes MORE sense to use WP or blogger for networks, as it saves a ton on different c-class IPs. For a decent network, that saves $100/month.

        Should put it on your main post, imo.
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        • Profile picture of the author Zeb
          Originally Posted by mgtarheels View Post

          If I'm using it for a network, it doesn't matter where it is hosted. In fact, it makes MORE sense to use WP or blogger for networks, as it saves a ton on different c-class IPs. For a decent network, that saves $100/month.

          Should put it on your main post, imo.
          I humbly disagree. I don't think adding wordpress.com (addon.wordpress.com) or blogger (addon.blogspot.com) sites will work with seolv or any other blog network for that matter. Besides, a bunch of sites on a blogspot url will return the same ip address. It won't spread out the c-class ip addresses.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Brad, please read http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post2064196

    Issue still persists. The problem appears any time when a hyperlink is put right after a bracked as it seems. Eg. {spin1 | spin2 } http:// somelink.com

    It doesnt recognize that separating space unless i add &nbsp; right into the HTML after the bracket.
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    • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Brad, please read http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post2064196

      Issue still persists. The problem appears any time when a hyperlink is put right after a bracked as it seems. Eg. {spin1 | spin2 } http:// somelink.com

      It doesnt recognize that separating space unless i add &nbsp; right into the HTML after the bracket.
      This happens occasionally for me too, but 9 times out of ten it works fine. Anyway you can hit the space bar in the edit window in SEOLV for the odd link where a space isn't recognized.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Hey George, we use the same editor that wordpress uses. Can you please record a jing video of this and state what browser and version you're using and "pm" it to me? That way it doesn't muck up the review. Thanks!

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  • Profile picture of the author Zeb
    I know that there's a huge queue going on right now but i've got an article in que (posted once though) backlogged probably 72+ hours now. And i set up postings to 10 per day (i know it's probably max 10 but i'm now not getting min 1 per day).

    Yup, i do know that it's backlogged now but i do hope that you've got a backup plan for the future. Spammers (not calling anyone here one) might abuse the network by sending in a bunch of articles, hogging up the queue. Making the other users waiting in a long que to get their article(s) posted.

    Anyways, this is what i just was thinking of due to the frustration of not seeing the max 10 articles posted per day. Hopefully this backlog will end quickly.
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  • Profile picture of the author imlogic
    In general these blog farms work great initially and then they suck. It could be the quality erodes over time - I dont know.

    Whenever you have a situation where people can spin junk and plaster it across blogs or web properties the effectiveness dies.
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by imlogic View Post

      In general these blog farms work great initially and then they suck. It could be the quality erodes over time - I dont know.

      Whenever you have a situation where people can spin junk and plaster it across blogs or web properties the effectiveness dies.
      They dont need to spin, you could also submit a non spun article - except then there is the problem that the blog owners dont want duplicate content.

      As for your view on "spun == junk". I am spinning with TBS and the resulting articles are ANYTHING but junk - each article reads fine and makes sense. Spend a little spinning with TBS per article and you basically get infinite really good articles out of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
      Originally Posted by imlogic View Post

      In general these blog farms work great initially and then they suck. It could be the quality erodes over time - I dont know.

      Whenever you have a situation where people can spin junk and plaster it across blogs or web properties the effectiveness dies.
      That's been the case in the past because there was no contorl. But the blog owners in SEOLV see the article before approving it onto their blog. All you have to do is reject the spin junk and it goes nowhere.

      How long do you think it will be before these people get tired of paying $47 a month and having their work rejected all day long!!

      SEOLV encourages you to spin properly and to submit decent work otherwise it's a complete waste of your time and money.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    How did it take me to submit 1000 articles?

    I sat there for 4 days copying and pasting the articles I had in AMA and putting them in SEO Link Vine.

    I was not a Beta tester.

    Each of them are spun according to the paragraphs with a minimum of 5 paragraphs each and 3 versions for one article. It's not the best spinning, but hey it works for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author JMartin
    I added a site for SEOLV to see how the content taker side is. And hahaha some of the crap people submit is funny. The titles are so nonsensical it's amazing.

    A couple articles looked to make sense though. Not SEOLV's fault. I just found it amusing. Being able to manually approve stuff is a big plus.

    Spinning is like anything else. You can suck at it and produce crap (90% of the people) or you can be good at it and produce good stuff on an upward sliding scale (10% of the people).
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I just got SEO articles on an "anti spam" site of mine which i only have under one category which is "spam blockers".

    If people keep sending out unrelated articles to the WRONG categories/blogs i will surely start reporting each and any of those articles. (Assuming its not a fault on SEOLV side).

    Secondly, i wonder whether Brad could add more strict options for auto reject, not only 30%, maybe even 50% or 75%?
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Hey George, absolutely. I've been talking with one of our members who had some great suggestions on fighting the spamming articles. We're going to be adding a rating system whereby when a member's rating drops below a certain number, their article submissions will be limited in some way. We're still fleshing out the details, but the overall all idea is to give those with blogs in the system a much more active role in determining who is providing good content and who is providing junk. It's a learning process for us, so give us a bit of time and if you have any other ideas to help prevent low quality, I'd be happy to hear them.

      Thanks much

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      • Profile picture of the author imlogic
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

        Hey George, absolutely. I've been talking with one of our members who had some great suggestions on fighting the spamming articles. We're going to be adding a rating system whereby when a member's rating drops below a certain number, their article submissions will be limited in some way. We're still fleshing out the details, but the overall all idea is to give those with blogs in the system a much more active role in determining who is providing good content and who is providing junk. It's a learning process for us, so give us a bit of time and if you have any other ideas to help prevent low quality, I'd be happy to hear them.

        Thanks much

        Brad
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary McLean
    Now to all experienced article writers & article spinners, this is a no brainer to you, so be patient with me please, as I piece this scenario together to see why people would just submit "junk articles" as described..

    As a newbie, wanting to get traffic to my new site, I submit hand written articles to this LinkVine Tool/site.

    Then I pop it in the tool, perform correct wizardry according to instructions, then pop the resultant articles (after checking them?) in the queue for publishing to relevant blog owners sites.

    The recipient blog owners are to read each article for worthiness to be added to their sites & presto...there's another place that has my link out there.

    Now, is that the process please?

    If so, what's the reason people would want junky stuff going out in their names in the first place & secondly, why would the blog owners want junky stuff on their sites too?

    Seeing as the articles are going to blog sites...why all the "fuss" about back links etc,

    Aren't blogs a bit WOM'y (Word of Mouth) & good stuff is regularly passed on via readers to their own networks & so on?

    Wouldn't that count more than submitting junky stuff, hoping to get lots of links & really not getting them?

    This is my take on where Blogging is going to fit in to the scene over the next few years (only my opinion) & I can see great potential in a well monitored & managed blogging "farm" as someone called it back there!

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    From what I'm picking up about blogging is that it seems to be...or maybe, needs to be...the central hub of You Inc.

    I feel that it's such a wild place out there that you are just a grain of sand on the beach unless you can rally a following.

    The secret to it all seems to be to have something on your blog that will entice people visiting to want to hang around & chat to you & others a bit.

    A poll is reported to be a good way for them to offer you suggestions on what they'd like you to offer them.
    Others say to have some fun competitions, anything to engage the visitor,,. long enough for them to want to post something & then to come back & see if you have responded, or to see other comments.

    I think also, that the days of cold fast blasting posts for content/link building etc are changing to a more community based affair with your audience & people respond warmly & build relationships with real people.

    People want to be cared for, connected and cared about.

    Perhaps the cold hard interface of the online world is morphing into a living breathing organism that really does want to connect & I think Blogging is the perfect vehicle.

    I've only just begun to "get" this facet, which I think is the future of building a long & sustainable online business.

    That's my take on it anyways! .
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  • Profile picture of the author chini
    Is anyone else having problems with adding their wp blogs to the network. I created a new author username and password, but i get the:

    But when i insert these into selink vine i still get the error:
    Error: Error while trying to verify user credentials OR the blog URL is not correct.
    Reported error: [XML-RPC #403]: Bad login/pass combination.

    However when i simply use my normal WP login it works.
    But for security reasons i would rather use author username and password.

    Am i suppose to add something at the end of my blogs url in order to get the author to work?
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  • Profile picture of the author kislany
    I have to reject lots of articles every day, wrong category, badly spun articles, really badly spun articles, the story goes on. I wish I could approve more to my sites but on the other hand I'm really glad I have the control I have right now, so I can eliminate the junk. If my site is let's say on low cholesterol and I get an article on acne or kitchen cleaning, sorry but that'll be rejected since it's clearly not under the scope of my site.

    On another note, I've added the day before yesterday and yesterday an article each and so far both are 0 approved and 0 posted. No movement, nothing, nada on them. Also I have a few from April 28 and 29 with only 16 or so postings. I know, I know, I should be patient...
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    • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
      Originally Posted by kislany View Post

      I have to reject lots of articles every day, wrong category, badly spun articles, really badly spun articles, the story goes on. I wish I could approve more to my sites but on the other hand I'm really glad I have the control I have right now, so I can eliminate the junk. If my site is let's say on low cholesterol and I get an article on acne or kitchen cleaning, sorry but that'll be rejected since it's clearly not under the scope of my site.

      On another note, I've added the day before yesterday and yesterday an article each and so far both are 0 approved and 0 posted. No movement, nothing, nada on them. Also I have a few from April 28 and 29 with only 16 or so postings. I know, I know, I should be patient...
      Me too, although the articles have been excellent accept for a couple. The problem is the categories aren't broad enough yet. There's not enough choices.

      What's even more frustrating is that I received 2 articles to one of my blogs which were completely off topic but would have fitted into another blog I have perfectly, but I can't get the articles to that blog at all!
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      • Profile picture of the author kislany
        Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

        What's even more frustrating is that I received 2 articles to one of my blogs which were completely off topic but would have fitted into another blog I have perfectly, but I can't get the articles to that blog at all!
        Oh that happened to me as well a couple of times, I was about to pull my hair in frustration. I have 2 blogs that practically receive no articles (rather selective niches in the health market) and there I have 3 articles on that very specific tight niche, posted to another blog of mine that has nothing to do with health (was home improvement). I wished at the time I had a button to simply move the article from one blog to another one
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  • Profile picture of the author bayu200687
    I try SEOLinkVine and My account suspended
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by bayu200687 View Post

      I try SEOLinkVine and My account suspended
      PLEASE, for the love of God, read the rest of this thread :-P

      You're using a subdomain on wordpress.com, (i.e. yoursite.wordpress.com)

      That is against their TOS to use automated content on THEIR server. Go to wordpress.ORG and download the open source and install it on your own server so you can do whatever you want with it.

      Thanks.

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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    arghl...SEOLV site down, database error. (Too many connections)

    Time for a new server
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  • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
    Brad, I joined SEO Linkvine a number of days ago. Good job on creating this network, I'm feeling confident it'll be a good one although it is early days.

    A question for you though which I couldn't see in your FAQ. When I joined I spun an article I wrote and added it to your network. It went live and the next day it shown 4 pending, 1 published and none rejected. The thing is, since then there have been no more requests made etc. This is a handful of days later. Also, the day after that submission I submitted another spun article. It's been a couple of days since then and all the stats are showing the same.

    I'm hoping that by Monday i will show many more requests, and a few published for both my submissions but just wanted to make sure this is how it should be and to check that my submissions haven't become 'inactive' for some reason.

    Cheers

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    • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
      Brad has stated a couple of times that there is a backlog. During this time I was getting articles published. However it's ground to a halt with 2 articles I added on the 4th and 5th. They've not been published at all but earlier articles are still getting published and every day the numbers of published articles climbs slowly. My stats are showing 6 that have been approved are waiting to go live.

      19 are pending. This number hasn't changed for a long while which is a concern and leads me to think the latest articles which are 2 to 3 days old haven't even gone out to blog owners for approval yet.

      I think I need to be a little more patient, they must be overloaded at the moment. That'll teach them to make such a great tool!
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  • Profile picture of the author babywarrior
    Just joined linkvine. Got 2 published and 2 pending within 5 minutes since i posted my spun article.

    I am not sure if this are already in place but i do think to help both article publisher and blog owners we could:

    1) only allow pr 1 or 2 and above site to be in the network.
    2) only have manually accepted articles to be published (i mean if you are a sincere blog owner whom wants quality content to be publish, you would definately want to review the article to ensure they are of good readable quality.)
    3) give article publisher a report with where the links are placed so that they can review them easily and report any spammy blogs
    4) give blog owner the power to report very unreadable content and disable the source of the spun article. (only the article not the whole account unless this has been happening too frequently.)
    5) last but not least but probably impossible, review new sites and content submitted. For example, just check through 3-5 spin of the article before allowing it to reach the network of blogs. i dont mind waiting a few days to get things running.

    Would really prefer quality of quantity anytime. Somehow i have a feeling the 2 post that were accepted and posted so quickly would probably belong to some spammy blog. O yar how about adding a forum within for all linkvinner to gather and discuss and give feedback to you too. =)

    Just my 2 cents worth of thoughs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by babywarrior View Post

      Just joined linkvine. Got 2 published and 2 pending within 5 minutes since i posted my spun article.

      I am not sure if this are already in place but i do think to help both article publisher and blog owners we could:

      1) only allow pr 1 or 2 and above site to be in the network.
      Thanks for the suggestions! Just wanted to briefly respond to #1 above. What makes article syndication work well is the number of blogs in the system. By only allowing PR1 and up, we're not allowing any new blog to the system, which is a huge amount of blogs. Many PR0 sites will become PR1 and up over time, naturally.

      BUT I completely hear you on the PR1 and PR2 thing. So, 2 things we're doing:

      1. Hopefully in June, we're releasing another part of SEOLV, which will only open to 50-200 people max, and it will include ONLY high PR sites. Nothing else. But, will be more pricey. Networks like this typically run at $997/month and up. Ours will be much cheaper than that, but also much pricier than the measly $47/month. It'll only be open to 50-200 people, max though.

      2. I'm working on an arrangement right now that will allow us to buy 100 PR1+ sites per month to add to the network, which will add ENORMOUS power to SEOLV. This also gets extremely pricey for us, so it all depends on whether we can afford it or not, but that is my hope.

      Brad
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      • Profile picture of the author Zeb
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

        1. Hopefully in June, we're releasing another part of SEOLV, which will only open to 50-200 people max, and it will include ONLY high PR sites. Nothing else. But, will be more pricey. Networks like this typically run at $997/month and up. Ours will be much cheaper than that, but also much pricier than the measly $47/month. It'll only be open to 50-200 people, max though.
        Imo, starting another network is not a good move. Unless you made the first seolv a free one, then an upgraded network would be fair. To pay and use a "lower quality network" than the new higher priced "higher quality network" doesn't seem right to me.

        Also, don't seem to recall any networks that charge $997 per month!? Most is about $200, and you can get a decent high quality network (of consistent pr 1-5 blogs) for about $100 per month.

        Hope you can take this into consideration as i really like seolv and don't want it to go wrong...
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        • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
          Originally Posted by Zeb View Post

          Imo, starting another network is not a good move. Unless you made the first seolv a free one, then an upgraded network would be fair. To pay and use a "lower quality network" than the new higher priced "higher quality network" doesn't seem right to me.

          Also, don't seem to recall any networks that charge $997 per month!? Most is about $200, and you can get a decent high quality network (of consistent pr 1-5 blogs) for about $100 per month.

          Hope you can take this into consideration as i really like seolv and don't want it to go wrong...
          Hi Zeb, I'm not here to debate with you one way or another.

          1. "In my opinion", SEOLV is the best, most powerful article syndication network there is, period. And as long as I'm alive, we're going to keep it that way.

          2. Creating an addon service to "serve" another market ADDS value to SEOLV. In no way does it take away value. (btw, this is likely going to be added because "our members asked for it", not just because I dreamed it up out of nowhere) I have no idea why you would think that us adding another option available to you would potentially "make you go wrong..."

          3. You've likely never heard of these $997/month because only 50-200 people have access to them. That is not a lot. These people also are typically not frequenting forums. I know they exist because I am friends with many owners of sites like this.

          I'm sorry that you don't agree with my philosophy and that is completely fine. To each is own.

          I'll be in the help desk answering users and probably won't stop back in, so please, if you have questions/comments, submit them over at the desk. Thanks much.

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          • Profile picture of the author Zeb
            Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

            Hi Zeb, I'm not here to debate with you one way or another.

            1. "In my opinion", SEOLV is the best, most powerful article syndication network there is, period. And as long as I'm alive, we're going to keep it that way.

            2. Creating an addon service to "serve" another market ADDS value to SEOLV. In no way does it take away value. (btw, this is likely going to be added because "our members asked for it", not just because I dreamed it up out of nowhere) I have no idea why you would think that us adding another option available to you would potentially "make you go wrong..."

            3. You've likely never heard of these $997/month because only 50-200 people have access to them. That is not a lot. These people also are typically not frequenting forums. I know they exist because I am friends with many owners of sites like this.

            I'm sorry that you don't agree with my philosophy and that is completely fine. To each is own.

            I'll be in the help desk answering users and probably won't stop back in, so please, if you have questions/comments, submit them over at the desk. Thanks much.

            Brad
            No worries Brad.

            Not out to have a debate with you as well. You're a well respected IM'er. I was just voicing out my humble opinions about what one might think about the new network, that's all.
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        • Profile picture of the author matts5150
          Originally Posted by Zeb View Post

          Imo, starting another network is not a good move. Unless you made the first seolv a free one, then an upgraded network would be fair. To pay and use a "lower quality network" than the new higher priced "higher quality network" doesn't seem right to me.

          Also, don't seem to recall any networks that charge $997 per month!? Most is about $200, and you can get a decent high quality network (of consistent pr 1-5 blogs) for about $100 per month.

          Hope you can take this into consideration as i really like seolv and don't want it to go wrong...
          Can you point me to some of the higher quality networks that are $100+ a month? I'm currently subscribed to 8 networks like seolv, ama, uaw and so on but am searching for some higher pr links as well.
          Thanks
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          • Profile picture of the author Zeb
            Originally Posted by matts5150 View Post

            Can you point me to some of the higher quality networks that are $100+ a month? I'm currently subscribed to 8 networks like seolv, ama, uaw and so on but am searching for some higher pr links as well.
            Thanks
            PM'ed you. Wouldn't want to intrude in Brad's thread...
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        • Profile picture of the author james123612
          Its really good way to get good links for your website.I tell you its really new strategy which Google has introduced.I am also work on it.
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    • Profile picture of the author twinmom
      Originally Posted by babywarrior View Post

      3) give article publisher a report with where the links are placed so that they can review them easily and report any spammy blogs.
      Keep in mind that if your link points to one of your posts page (if you are using WP), you can set WP to send you an email about pingbacks, which will show you the site your article was posted on.
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      • Profile picture of the author twinmom
        Wanted to share some results with anyone considering joining. I signed up the day of launch and this is from the first article I submitted. This keyword is not huge in the number of monthly searches, but it climbed pretty quickly. This is not a search term that I had ever tried to rank for prior to that article being submitted.



        April 27 - position 63
        May 7 - position 6

        Tracy
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        • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
          Originally Posted by twinmom View Post

          Wanted to share some results with anyone considering joining. I signed up the day of launch and this is from the first article I submitted. This keyword is not huge in the number of monthly searches, but it climbed pretty quickly. This is not a search term that I had ever tried to rank for prior to that article being submitted.



          April 27 - position 63
          May 7 - position 6

          Tracy
          Wow, look at the Google dance there! I saw a couple of my sites hit position 1 on the front page 2 days ago, now they have disappeared completely. Hope it's the dance and not the sandbox!
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        • Profile picture of the author kevin campbelle
          Originally Posted by twinmom View Post

          Wanted to share some results with anyone considering joining. I signed up the day of launch and this is from the first article I submitted. This keyword is not huge in the number of monthly searches, but it climbed pretty quickly. This is not a search term that I had ever tried to rank for prior to that article being submitted.



          April 27 - position 63
          May 7 - position 6

          Tracy
          Nice graph Tracy. How many times were your articles picked up during that 10 day period?

          Kevin.
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          • Profile picture of the author twinmom
            Originally Posted by kevin campbelle View Post

            Nice graph Tracy. How many times were your articles picked up during that 10 day period?

            Kevin.
            That article has been published 34 times. It was my first one - I'm trying to do one a day. Here are my overall stats:




            Total articles submitted to the system: 7 (7 total articles)
            Total number of times those articles have been approved: 111
            Total number of times those articles were presented to site owners: 197
            Total acceptance rate by site owners: 87 %
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        • Profile picture of the author ronitdeep
          Originally Posted by twinmom View Post

          Wanted to share some results with anyone considering joining. I signed up the day of launch and this is from the first article I submitted. This keyword is not huge in the number of monthly searches, but it climbed pretty quickly. This is not a search term that I had ever tried to rank for prior to that article being submitted.



          April 27 - position 63
          May 7 - position 6

          Tracy
          which tool you are using?
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  • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
    I'm willing to see how it pans out over a month or two with this system and will most likely keep subscribed as Brad produces great software and networks. So I'll bear with him on this and suggest that everyon else does too. At least for a few weeks.

    It's like any system. After going live it takes time to evaluate its workings and will most likely need ammending or tweaking in some way. I'll be going through this same process myself shortly with Link Abyss. It's all fun and games... but I'm sure Brad will be triumphant with this network.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
    Hi Andy, it's tough to say without looking at your account, BUT:

    1. Submit to as many categories as you're allotted. I see some submitting to like 1 or 2 subcategories and that's it... The chances of there being many blogs related ONLY to 2 tiny subcategories is slim in none. So, be sure to choose as many related categories as you can.

    2. Please pm me your registered email address.

    For anyone else that has any sort of "bug related" questions, please submit a support ticket and don't post here. It takes me 10x longer to check back and forth with the forum here than respond directly to a support ticket. I want to help fast, and it's just not practical to check the forum every 5 minutes. I've been in the desk with my team for these first few days after launch to make sure anything that needs fixed gets fixed FAST.

    Here is the link to the support desk:

    Support Desk

    Thanks so much!

    Brad
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    P.P.S. We're split testing prices right now, but here is the URL to the lowest price, since I did mention earlier that we weren't planning on increasing the price for another month and it's been 1 week. Response has been higher than I expected, so we're trying to slow down purchases by testing a higher price. Going for quality over quantity. Here is the low price though: http://www.seolinkvine.com/get_traffic_b.php
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Question, i just got an email where you talk about "upgrading to unlimited submissions". I didnt even know there was another way to use it with "limited" submissions?
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
    Hi George, can you please submit tickets etc. with stuff like this?

    This thread will go on forever if questions like these are asked here. This thread has already kind of gotten away from a review and is more of a Q & A with me, and I'm sure the mods don't want that.

    But... to answer your question. If you're already a paid monthly member, which you are, you're fine. This is for those that signed up for the "get content" side FIRST, and then wanted to purchase article by the credit. You've never seen that option because you're already a full member.

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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
    Quick update: Today, some of the backlog seems to have cleared up, as a lot of my articles got submitted in quite short succession. Currently, I'm averaging 18 publishes per submitted article.

    @ronitdeep: The tracking tool is part of SEOLV.
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  • Profile picture of the author JMartin
    That's great. I did 3 as a test. 2 from 5 days ago have 0 publishes and a NA acceptance. Then I have one from a few days ago with 11 accepts and 86% acceptance. It's odd.

    My niche is finance. Thought I'd see more action.
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  • Profile picture of the author babywarrior
    i am not sure about ow tis goes but i tried 2 industry both had 4 submitted (of which 6 is publish 1 rejected 1 pending) within the first day and it stopped. now on day 4.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doctore
    Here are my stats.. so far so good. I submitted my first article just 2 days ago, and so far I've had 11 published.

    Submitted for approval (26)
    Approved (11)
    Rejected (0)
    Pending (15)
    Published (11)

    Will be interesting to see the improvement in the SERPS..
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  • Profile picture of the author Doctore
    By the way, I'm not using the built in spinner.. I'm using 'The Best Spinner' to do all my spinning, and then pasting it into SEO LinkVine.. Everything works like a charm... I really cant say if this product is good or bad quite yet, I'll need to see the changes to my rankings over time.. but so far so good, and I really do like the keyword tool that tracks your rankings and links.. pretty slick stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrizos
      I keep thinking about signing up for this but I'm not one of the spammers that spins 1 article 50 times into nonsense.

      If I do sign up I think my articles will have a max spin of 3 times (since they are product reviews of amazon stuff...not a lot of content that's spinnable when you're writing about the aspects of a physical product).

      I really think there needs to be a limit on the amount of spins. What's there to stop spammers from submitting thousands of articles and clogging up the queue? Sounds like nothing at the moment...that sucks.

      Currently the only thing I'm using for backlinks is Terry's monthly packet. I have about 5000 hi pr forum links available to me now so I suppose that's enough...maybe I'll cancel his packet and move that money to SEOLV...
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      • Profile picture of the author chini
        Originally Posted by mrizos View Post


        I really think there needs to be a limit on the amount of spins. What's there to stop spammers from submitting thousands of articles and clogging up the queue? Sounds like nothing at the moment...that sucks.
        You have the choice to accept content, its not automatically posted. So you can check out the quality before accepting it.
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        • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
          Originally Posted by chini View Post

          You have the choice to accept content, its not automatically posted. So you can check out the quality before accepting it.
          And you can see how many times it's been published too
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        • Profile picture of the author mrizos
          Originally Posted by chini View Post

          You have the choice to accept content, its not automatically posted. So you can check out the quality before accepting it.
          I know, that's the big part of the problem. You have a massive list of a horribly spun articles WAITING for you to look at and somewhere down the line is an article that actually makes sense. You need to sift through all those horrible spins to get to content that actually works for your blog.

          Am I crazy on this one? :confused: I'm guessing that's how it is realistically.
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          • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
            Originally Posted by mrizos View Post

            I know, that's the big part of the problem. You have a massive list of a horribly spun articles WAITING for you to look at and somewhere down the line is an article that actually makes sense. You need to sift through all those horrible spins to get to content that actually works for your blog.

            Am I crazy on this one? :confused: I'm guessing that's how it is realistically.
            The low spin quality articles on SEOLV is almost non existent. I've already said earlier that there's little point writing crap as it won't get approved by the blog owners and they're wasting $47 a month if all they get is rejections. Hence they won't do it.

            I've just spent the evening writing and spinning a quality article. I know I'll be rewarded by having it approved on dozens of blogs now and giving me tons of backlinks.

            People spinning junk will stick with blackhat autoblog networks churning out worthless junk for free, they won't be doing it on SEOLV, well not successfully anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    I hope the people complaining about the low quality of articles realize one thing - they are getting content for FREE! All they need to do is filter out the crappy things they don't like!

    So it's absurd to even bitch about it, I mean, people are building your site for you, without cost of your own, and all you need to do is just read their article for a few seconds to see if it's worth it.

    I think it would be good if some people stop taking things for granted and be thankful that such a service exists.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
    One quick thing to note for those that don't like some of the articles you're being presented with; we're adding a new module inside of SEOLV called "Articles On Demand" which will allow blog owners to actually write the topic for the EXACT article they want written on. It will then be presented to those wanting backlinks in return for writing articles. The article will be written specifically for the blog owner. And presto, everyone is happy. I just received the mockup design for this today. This week we'll be implementing it. I don't know how long it will take to program, but it should be ready soon.

    Brad
    P.S. Mrizos, no that's not really how it is at all. Please signup and see for yourself so you can see for yourself without just guessing.
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    • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
      Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

      One quick thing to note for those that don't like some of the articles you're being presented with; we're adding a new module inside of SEOLV called "Articles On Demand" which will allow blog owners to actually write the topic for the EXACT article they want written on. It will then be presented to those wanting backlinks in return for writing articles. The article will be written specifically for the blog owner. And presto, everyone is happy. I just received the mockup design for this today. This week we'll be implementing it. I don't know how long it will take to program, but it should be ready soon.

      Brad
      P.S. Mrizos, no that's not really how it is at all. Please signup and see for yourself so you can see for yourself without just guessing.
      Oh man it just keeps getting better! Look forward to seeing this Brad.
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      • Profile picture of the author Votoshka
        I have seen a few articles that were badly spun, unfortunately... but the percentage is not too high. More challenging are the good articles I have to reject because they're not the right topic for my blog (and would ironically be better on one of the other blogs I've got with the system). I am wondering if I need to be MORE category specific??

        I have one general "health" blog, but the other two are quite a bit more specific, so I've had to reject more. I think it's because some people choose waaay too many categories in an attempt to get their articles published in the majority of blogs ASAP... Unfortunately, it means I reject even when I think it's a good quality article that would be well suited somewhere else!
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        • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
          Originally Posted by Votoshka View Post

          I have seen a few articles that were badly spun, unfortunately... but the percentage is not too high. More challenging are the good articles I have to reject because they're not the right topic for my blog (and would ironically be better on one of the other blogs I've got with the system). I am wondering if I need to be MORE category specific??

          I have one general "health" blog, but the other two are quite a bit more specific, so I've had to reject more. I think it's because some people choose waaay too many categories in an attempt to get their articles published in the majority of blogs ASAP... Unfortunately, it means I reject even when I think it's a good quality article that would be well suited somewhere else!
          yes exactly! Very good articles, but people need to be more specific with the categories...well..their loss. "More" is NOT better, just gets your articles rejected!
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Here is an update of mine, without any bias i can say i like the system more and more every day. I am with the system for only 5 days now - but recently it really started to take of.

    I am getting a lots of pings and trackbacks, almost every time i check my emails. So i know something is going on. In those few days i submitted 13 articles, all are heavily spun with TBS.

    I also added 12 of my own sites to the system.

    I have not seen any "garbage" spun articles (YET) - although i had some miss-placed articles because some people just cannot get categories right. For example, they send articles about weight loss pills into "food / cooking" and then i am getting weight loss articles on my cooking recipe site, things like that.

    But that's minor because you can simply reject those wrong category articles - and of course you can also reject "garbage" articles, but as said i still need to see one first!

    Overall i am really very pleased with the system, both sites, article distribution and getting content! It's almost "addictive", now i want to spin and submit articles the whole day and also make and add new sites for getting content. Everything is incredible easy and straight forward. I know i sound like a TV commercial, but i think you get very good value for your money there.

    (Add: That little ranking checker app is pure genius too )
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  • Profile picture of the author cktan
    Is the price increased? I thought it's $47/month but when I proceed to order it said $67/month.
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    • Profile picture of the author rayan
      Originally Posted by cktan View Post

      Is the price increased? I thought it's $47/month but when I proceed to order it said $67/month.
      Yes, the price has been increased. I believe it is going to increase to $97 soon...
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      • Profile picture of the author cktan
        Originally Posted by rayan View Post

        Yes, the price has been increased. I believe it is going to increase to $97 soon...
        Sign up for the free account 1st and update it inside your member area, you can still get $47 per month.
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        • Profile picture of the author mrizos
          Originally Posted by cktan View Post

          Sign up for the free account 1st and update it inside your member area, you can still get $47 per month.
          What free account? I thought he was raising the price on this next month. Oh well.
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          • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
            Originally Posted by mrizos View Post

            What free account? I thought he was raising the price on this next month. Oh well.
            Mrizos, there are 2 sides to SEOLinkVine. The free side, which allows you to get free content auto-posted to your blog: SEO link building service | Build one way links | High quality one way link building

            And the paid side, which is the link building side. I also posted the direct link to the $47 price in this thread in a previous post. I won't post it again for respect to the mods. But if you're interested, look at a few of my previous posts in this thread and you'll see it in the P.S.

            Hope that explains things.

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            • Profile picture of the author countrystarr
              Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

              And the paid side, which is the link building side. I also posted the direct link to the $47 price in this thread in a previous post. I won't post it again for respect to the mods. But if you're interested, look at a few of my previous posts in this thread and you'll see it in the P.S.
              I have read through the entire thread a couple times and I can't find this link. Can you tell me the post number in the thread that has the link for $47.00?

              Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author chini
    Brad, have you considered allowing people to manually set a auto reject.
    Im finding 30% auto reject is not enough for me personally.

    Also i have noticed a big different with the rewrite % seolinkvine is giving me in comparison to Dupefree Pro. Dupefree pro is much more accurate.
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    • Profile picture of the author cktan
      Originally Posted by chini View Post

      Brad, have you considered allowing people to manually set a auto reject.
      Im finding 30% auto reject is not enough for me personally.

      Also i have noticed a big different with the rewrite % seolinkvine is giving me in comparison to Dupefree Pro. Dupefree pro is much more accurate.
      I second that Brad. I'm receiving articles from other similar network too which allow me to set auto reject up to 90% and those articles sometime even pass copyscape check.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doctore
    Mrizos,

    If I were you, I'd just give it a try. I'm not affiliated with Brad or his products in any way, so I have absolutely nothing to gain from you trying out SEO LinkVine. However, what I do know is once you do try it, you'll quickly realize what a little gem Brad has managed to create.

    This is the the ONLY tool, I would recommend to my friends. It's everything Brad advertises.. I'm truly impressed.
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  • Profile picture of the author JMartin
    My first two articles finally got picked up. Nothing mind blowing, but they are live now. Not sure why it took about 7 days though.

    At any rate, I'd definitely try it out before the price goes up. Worst case, you get some links and dump a 50 spot. Unlike buying software and books, you're guaranteed to get something back for your money here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Hey guys, wanted to let you in on a quick update:

      We plan on closing the "get links" portion of SEOLV sometime within the next 7 days or so. And then focus entirely on growing the blog network size for current members. If we can double our network size, that would greatly increase the number of links you'll get per article, and that's our goal. Anyway, wanted to let you guys know in case you were planning on waiting until next week. I've not told anyone else about this, but wanted to let you in since you've all been helping us add new features etc. these first couple of weeks.

      Thanks

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      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

        Hey guys, wanted to let you in on a quick update:

        We plan on closing the &quot;get links&quot; portion of SEOLV sometime within the next 7 days or so. And then focus entirely on growing the blog network size for current members. If we can double our network size, that would greatly increase the number of links you'll get per article, and that's our goal. Anyway, wanted to let you guys know in case you were planning on waiting until next week. I've not told anyone else about this, but wanted to let you in since you've all been helping us add new features etc. these first couple of weeks.

        Thanks

        Brad
        I am a little puzzled now. You mean temporarily close this to grow the network? How can you "close" this, isn't this the essential part of SEOLV? I mean...getting articles is great, no question, but there a number of other ways to get content. So i am a little puzzled that you say you are "closing" the get links sections. Or do you mean close it for new members?
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        • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
          Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

          I am a little puzzled now. You mean temporarily close this to grow the network? How can you "close" this, isn't this the essential part of SEOLV? I mean...getting articles is great, no question, but there a number of other ways to get content. So i am a little puzzled that you say you are "closing" the get links sections. Or do you mean close it for new members?
          Hey George, closing it to "NEW" members man. We're not closing it to current paying customers. The point of closing it to new members is so we can build the blog portion only, rather than both the links and the blog portion. The ratio of "get links" users to "get content" users is good right now as it is. What we want to do is not focus on getting more paid customers, but rather focus on adding more blogs to help the current paid customers get more links, faster.

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          • Profile picture of the author mrizos
            Ok, after 3 days of thinking it over I finally decided to give it a shot. I'm really not sure I can spin a review of a TV too many times, but I suppose it'll give me a few backlinks here an there.

            I'll be submitting 2 aged blogs (2 years old) in the golfing niche...lets see what I get.
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            • Profile picture of the author JMartin
              Originally Posted by mrizos View Post

              Ok, after 3 days of thinking it over I finally decided to give it a shot. I'm really not sure I can spin a review of a TV too many times, but I suppose it'll give me a few backlinks here an there.

              I'll be submitting 2 aged blogs (2 years old) in the golfing niche...lets see what I get.
              It's challenging, but it can be done. I just did custom spin (just me and Pages for the Mac) for a book I read. Took me a little while, but I got it at like 98% now and it reads well.

              Got to say that the last couple days are better. I submitted a few more articles and they are already live with usage.

              Just need to free up some time to write more.

              As for contest points, I have 5. If it's really random, I'll win. hahaha Or not.
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              • Profile picture of the author mrizos
                Originally Posted by JMartin View Post

                It's challenging, but it can be done. I just did custom spin (just me and Pages for the Mac) for a book I read. Took me a little while, but I got it at like 98% now and it reads well.

                Got to say that the last couple days are better. I submitted a few more articles and they are already live with usage.

                Just need to free up some time to write more.

                As for contest points, I have 5. If it's really random, I'll win. hahaha Or not.
                I'm not that really familiar with Spinning . I have The Best Spinner, but I was just using it for making unique rewrites. How many articles would a 98% uniqueness generate?
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                • Profile picture of the author JMartin
                  Originally Posted by mrizos View Post

                  I'm not that really familiar with Spinning . I have The Best Spinner, but I was just using it for making unique rewrites. How many articles would a 98% uniqueness generate?
                  I am not sure actually. I know that it will do a good amount though. I shoot for at least 85% and take time making lots of proper titles.
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  • Profile picture of the author JMartin
    Any chance of making an option where the article creator can give the site owner the right to create their own title? Was just thinking that since the title is a major SEO component that it would improve things.

    Or not ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Lindsay
    Just to pop in here guys.

    SEO Link Vine, is not a WL of AMA as some have suggested here.

    As many know Brad and I are good mates, though this is not anything to do with AMA, though you will see us in our training reccomending many link networks SEOLV being one of them.

    Cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by Marc Lindsay View Post

      Just to pop in here guys.

      SEO Link Vine, is not a WL of AMA as some have suggested here.

      As many know Brad and I are good mates, though this is not anything to do with AMA, though you will see us in our training reccomending many link networks SEOLV being one of them.

      Cheers
      Marc
      And us likewise. If you can afford it, go with any and all article syndication networks. The more links you can get, the better. Go with article syndication, directory submission, article submission, approach sites manually and strike deals, buy websites, get forum profile links, basically do everything you know to get backlinks... because the more variation you can get, the better.

      Brad
      P.S. cktan: Let me know how things go once we finish the "on demand" feature this week or early next week.
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  • Profile picture of the author lina75
    Hi Brad

    I just wasted more than $100 on linkracer and bought the top package of 5000 links to my website and it has been more than 2 months and I only had less than 5 showing on seoquake. Basically I wasted my time hoping and checking my sites every now and then and found out today that most likely it could be a scam.

    I am definitely looking for a replacement, my question here is:

    1)Is your concept the same as linkracer?

    2)Can google stripped our backlinks if they decide to penalized the blogs?


    Thanks
    Lina
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    • Profile picture of the author Zeb
      Lina,

      I can try to answer your questions as i've used both linkracer and seolv.

      Originally Posted by lina75 View Post

      I am definitely looking for a replacement, my question here is:

      1)Is your concept the same as linkracer?
      SEOLV is more advanced than linkracer. Linkracer does not have the option to spin content thus sending out a bunch of duplicate content on all their blog networks. It's useless really if you have the same article on 100 of blogs. You'll probably only get a couple of backlinks recognized by google and the others are lower grade links from duplicated content.

      The blog network in SEOLV is more diversified, making more c-class ip's for you to get your links from. Plus they support spin format content. Meaning that you insert a spinned article and it will send out different variations of the article to every blog in the network (which are related to your selected categories only. Even more powerful as a link from a related site to your site is weighed heavily by google.

      2)Can google stripped our backlinks if they decide to penalized the blogs?
      SEOLV's network is well diversified across different c-class ip's. It would be extremely hard for google to catch the sites. Besides some of the sites in the network are owned by SEOLV's users. I've got a couple of blogs in there as well (optional if you want free content).

      And again, SEOLV support spin format articles. Harder to detect compared to linkracer's same article across 100's of blogs. I also think Brad has taught about protecting his network so that it won't get penalized by g. All the things he did pointed to that he is looking after his network

      To summarize things, SEOLV is way ahead of linkracer...
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  • Profile picture of the author chini
    Is anyone in the top 10 for the competition? i have a total of 100 points, but im still not in the top 10!!
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    • Profile picture of the author waynez
      Originally Posted by chini View Post

      Is anyone in the top 10 for the competition? i have a total of 100 points, but im still not in the top 10!!
      Man, thanks for your post about this.

      I was just considering to add all of my blogs into the system. Based on the calculation, I should get around 90 points for all of them but after seeing that even 100 points of yours didn't put you anywhere in the top 10, really makes me to RECONSIDER to join the competition again.

      Adding 40-50 blogs is a long and tedious task especially when knowing already that it's not gonna get you any prize.

      Maybe Brad should create another competition sooner with a slightly different rule. Get a certain number of points, and you'll get a lifetime memberships of SEOLV.

      That would be great.
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      • Profile picture of the author Votoshka
        Originally Posted by waynez View Post


        Maybe Brad should create another competition sooner with a slightly different rule. Get a certain number of points, and you'll get a lifetime memberships of SEOLV.

        That would be great.
        I like that idea! I was considering adding a few more blogs (and I probably will over time) but there's no way I could reach 100 points let alone more!! I currently have 7 hehe.

        Anyway, I think it'd be great if, for example, you got X amount of points and you could get a reduction in membership fees or something. Of course, the blogs would have to be good quality, so there would need to be some quality control to ensure that people didn't just toss up basic blogs with nothing done to them to get their points.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    chini...argh..and i though i am "elite" with my 12 pts... ;/
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
    Is anyone's articles being submitted more than what they initially set?

    I put mine at 10 per day. The ones I initially put on there for 10 per day, like 3-4 days ago have only been submitted 10x total.

    Happening to anyone else?
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    • Profile picture of the author Gartwynn
      Originally Posted by mgtarheels View Post

      Is anyone's articles being submitted more than what they initially set?

      I put mine at 10 per day. The ones I initially put on there for 10 per day, like 3-4 days ago have only been submitted 10x total.

      Happening to anyone else?
      I am experiencing this as well!

      Gart
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  • Profile picture of the author terryd
    Does everyone who is a member here download the rank checker application, I'm a bit wary as I thought Google didn't like automated rank checkers?
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    yes..works great. there is big delays so you dont get temporarily blocked by google.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Ayres
    I tried to add one of my blogs today to get some free content but there were no applicable sections for it.

    Do you plan on adding more catagories for smaller niches?
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by SpudDS View Post

      I tried to add one of my blogs today to get some free content but there were no applicable sections for it.

      Do you plan on adding more catagories for smaller niches?
      Yep, just let me know what category and if it's not too incredibly niched, we'll add it today.

      Thanks

      Brad
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  • Profile picture of the author neil_patmore
    Hi Brad, will you be adding support for blogs built using blogengine.net anytime soon? Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by neil_patmore View Post

      Hi Brad, will you be adding support for blogs built using blogengine.net anytime soon? Thanks.
      Hey Neil, I'm not familiar with that. I just went to the site and it didn't load. What exactly is it?
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  • Profile picture of the author digsea
    i've been using SEO link vine for a couple of weeks or so now and it's definitely looking to be a very good investment, especially with all the new features brad and the team are adding to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author neil_patmore
    Hi Brad, see here:

    BlogEngine.NET | An open source ASP.NET 2.0 powered blogging engine

    AR publishes OK using the metaWebLog API
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
    Found a bug:

    I'm receiving my own articles, that I published, as free content and is asking me to approve/reject my own articles. Lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
    Hey digsea, thanks for your kind words. About the [] with RR, unfortunately we can't make that change quickly/easily. But what you can do (sort of a pain) but just do a search and replace where you replace [ with { and then ] with } . And you'll be good to go. This is on our "to do list" at some point.

    Brad
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
    Though this has become kind of a discussion thread (and there's nothing wrong with that), it's still in the review section.
    So, for anyone who's interested, here's my video showing of some SEOLV features as part of my review of the system:


    (HD watchable, if you go through to YouTube)

    I'd do the usual "ask me anything and I'll do a video about it" thing, but since it's closing so soon, I guess it's not really worth it, this time.

    Cheers,
    Shane
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  • Profile picture of the author tim254
    Any chance you could add a feature where you just put in your keywords and URL's below the article in a separate field and it hyperlinks the keywords in the article to the corresponding URL's?
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Hey Shane, yeah, just to reiterate, the thesaurus itself is the standard thesaurus, but we're most definitely looking to create a "user based" thesaurus similar to Jon Leger's TBS software, which is VERY good if you're looking to spin articles with a thesaurus. For now, I would recommend not messing with the thesaurus and just use spin tags along with words/ideas in your head. I've never actually used a thesaurus feature with any sort of spinning, but agree it would be cool to have a "user based" thesaurus integrated. Definitely on the "to do's" :-)

      Brad
      P.S. Tim: Thanks for the suggestion.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
    Hey Bad, thanks for your reply. As a TBS user, the thesaurus isn't very important to me anyway. However, I'm planning to give my review an update if you re-open SEOLV, eventually and I'll definitely take a second look at the thesaurus, by then.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrizos
      Are the amount of spins limited to the number of titles you submit?

      I just submitted my first article that I spun to 100+% via the best spinner (and yes, it actually reads fine on every spin I've tried).

      I'm wondering how many posts seolv will create with a highly spun article like this. I've noticed it says 12 varitions because I only have 12 titles...is that all seolv is going to create??? I've spun words, paragraphs, sentences and so on. I'm guessing there could be hundreds of variations that actually make sense.

      Also, I tried to spin 1 title, but it still says 12 variations. Any Ideas?
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    Thank you Brad! You're awesome!
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    • Profile picture of the author Seth Stewart
      Hey Brad, thanks for the heads-up email about the close of SEOLV Elite. Just bought the Elite package, looking forward to working with you.

      I almost bought your upsell SEO Traffic course, I'm actually looking for a good comprehensive course in understanding the REAL ins & outs of pulling the most targeted traffic. I was also looking at a traffic course from Anthony Buchalka in Australia, they've repackaged their "Take Over Page 1" info and promised it to be the best, clearest info on reaching and staying on pg 1.

      That's the problem, all your guys' sales letters promise to be the most comprehensive traffic-generation course, but I don't want to spend hundreds on 3 or 4 of the same basic info, so it makes the choice hard. I may end up coming back to yours. Make your case if you know the other stuff that's out there and why yours is "better"

      Thanks again
      Rhythm
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      • Profile picture of the author djbory
        No Good Results So Far For Me...

        First; I haven't read the entire thread, so if something like this was already explained before, please lead me there...

        I posted 4 articles a week ago... The day after I posted them they were offered 37 times, and were about 90% approved, so far so good...

        Now, after a week, the articles has not been offered again to the blog owners anymore, so it basically means that every article is posted to about 9 blogs each, that's it!

        I was expecting that my articles could be posted to 50+ blogs each, because if have to create a high quality article, spin it along with the title, just to get it posted to a few blogs each, then is not going to work for me.

        My articles are re-wrote over 66%, and I have many titles for each articles, everyone spun many times, so every article should be able to be posted hundreds of times...

        I set the Max. requests per day to 10, and the Max. publish blogs to "0" = to no limit, and my articles are in very big categories like IM and Health, so I don't know what I could be doing wrong?:confused:

        Is anybody having a similar problem? Can Brad or anybody tell me what's happening? or maybe is this the way it is supposed to be?

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  • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
    Brad, no way you can get TBS API then ?

    Didn't Johnathon send an email out
    not long ago discussing the fact it was
    "available".

    It's now fully integrated into SEN.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

      Brad, no way you can get TBS API then ?

      Didn't Johnathon send an email out
      not long ago discussing the fact it was
      "available".

      It's now fully integrated into SEN.
      Hey Simon, we can, but the cost of it is out of our price range to integrate. We'll create our own :-)

      DJ: Couple of things:

      1. You said your max rewrite is 60%. Shoot for 80% and up. Blog owners can select the minimum uniqueness and some will set to 80%. So right off the bat you're missing out on a lot of blogs.

      2. I'm not sure where you're getting the 9 blogs number. While I don't know exact details without actually viewing the database, you could have had 37 "publishes" to 37 different blogs. The publishing of articles is completely at random. If one of the health blogs is already tied up in the queue, publishing someone else's article, yours won't go to that one. So, the chance of publishing your article(s) to only 9 blogs is slim in none. I can tell you that there are a heck of a lot more than 37 health related blogs (let alone 9) in our network.

      3. I'm not sure how many subcategories you selected, but in the early stages of SEOLV, it's best to select as many subs as you can (that still make reasonable sense obviously). Again, this raises the number of total blogs to work with.

      Those are just a few completely general thoughts that will help.

      btw, 37 publishes = 37 x 3 = 111 links. Those are good numbers for only writing 4 articles.

      Brad
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  • Profile picture of the author Doctore
    DJBory,

    I think it could be the topic of the articles and the number of blogs that are related to that subject.

    I know that there are some topics where I didnt even spin them, and multiple blogs picked them up, and there are some where I spun them (over 70%), and not many were picked up.

    Brad or anyone ast SEOLV really have no control over which publishers decide to publish your article, but I do fervently believe that once Brad launches the option where publishers can "request" content, it will enable us article writers to write custom written content for blogs, thus getting us lots of more of that link juice we love so much....
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    • Profile picture of the author djbory
      Originally Posted by Doctore View Post

      DJBory,

      I think it could be the topic of the articles and the number of blogs that are related to that subject.

      I know that there are some topics where I didnt even spin them, and multiple blogs picked them up, and there are some where I spun them (over 70%), and not many were picked up.

      Brad or anyone ast SEOLV really have no control over which publishers decide to publish your article, but I do fervently believe that once Brad launches the option where publishers can "request" content, it will enable us article writers to write custom written content for blogs, thus getting us lots of more of that link juice we love so much....
      Thanks Doctore,

      The topic should not be a problem because they are in the Health and IM niche; there should be hundreds of blogs about my topic...

      The stats say: Offered to blog owners = 37 times so I understand they have to be offered to blog owners in order for the blog owners to pick them up, aren't they?

      I thought they would be offered 10 times to 10 blog owners every single day. am I missing something here?
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  • Profile picture of the author Doctore
    Hi Djbory,

    Maybe the opposite is happening.

    You're in a very competitive niche, which lots of people writing content for the same audience.. perhaps the blog owners just are completely inundated with articles, that they just need time to go through them. Not sure how many members there are, but if even 50 people submitted just 5 articles, thats 250 articles potentially they have to go through and approve. Maybe your articles are just in the que of several publishers who are "drip feeding" the content.

    One of my niches is in parenting, and I noticed those seem to have been picked up more, compared to some of my personal tech ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
    Hey digsea, we've added support for [] so you can ignore my other post above. You should now be able to use that spinner in conjunction with SEOLV :-)

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    • Profile picture of the author digsea
      Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

      Hey digsea, we've added support for [] so you can ignore my other post above. You should now be able to use that spinner in conjunction with SEOLV :-)

      Brad

      Hey Brad, you're a superstar!

      Absolutely LOVE SE0LinkVine.com!

      Thanks a ton
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  • Profile picture of the author donaldg
    Brad,

    Is there a problem with clickbank because I have tried at least 2 times to place an order for seolinkvine this morning and the order page with clickbank is not being displayed?

    Donald
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  • Profile picture of the author matts5150
    Hey Brad,
    I submitted 3 articles 7-8 days ago and so far they've been published a combined total of 3 times. One was published twice, one published once and the other one hasn't been published. The articles are original and hand spun to over 90% using tbs and each submitted to about 5 categories. Should I delete them and resubmit, what's weird is another article I submitted a few days before these has been published 12 times.
    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author hblloyd
    Hi guys im just checking does the elite memberrship include the traffic and content part?
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    The syndication (submission) part will be closed TOMORROW - so if you want in i would do it now! Brad did this to grow the network so people can get more links.
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    Tx George, so if i puchase it it is all included I also read it closes up friday!
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    • Profile picture of the author mrizos
      Anyone having trouble adding a blog? I used xml-rpc lot's of time with other services yet I can't get it to work with SEOLV.

      I created an author account, enabled xml-rpc and then I try to add the blog and I get:

      Error: Error while trying to verify user credentials OR the blog URL is not correct.
      Reported error: [cURL] cURL error: #18

      I've created 2 accounts (both authors)...still nada. The blog is not a sub-domain either. The format of the domain is http://domain.net
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      • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
        Originally Posted by mrizos View Post

        Anyone having trouble adding a blog? I used xml-rpc lot's of time with other services yet I can't get it to work with SEOLV.

        I created an author account, enabled xml-rpc and then I try to add the blog and I get:

        Error: Error while trying to verify user credentials OR the blog URL is not correct.
        Reported error: [cURL] cURL error: #18

        I've created 2 accounts (both authors)...still nada. The blog is not a sub-domain either. The format of the domain is http://domain.net
        Try creating an editor instead of an author. I had the same problems.
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        • Profile picture of the author mrizos
          Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

          Try creating an editor instead of an author. I had the same problems.
          Tried that...nada so far. Thanks anyway.
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          • Profile picture of the author gobucks3311
            I have also been unable to find the link for $47. Is it still available?
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  • Profile picture of the author donaldg
    it looks like Brad increase the price to $67 for the one day because it is closing to new memberships tomorrow
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      hey guys, pm me and I'll send it to you.

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      • Profile picture of the author RichardBaldock
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

        hey guys, pm me and I'll send it to you.

        Brad
        Hi Brad
        Unfortunately I can't PM you as I haven't yet reached the minimum number of posts?? Are you able to PM me, or can someone else do so, that has the $47 link available.

        I'd appreciate it greatly.

        thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
      Just thought I would share just one result (I have had more so far but...)
      I had a billboard blog that was single keyword focused and stayed on #1, 2 or 3 of page 2 for about a year.

      I used a lot of other people's link this and link that. I even pointed 40 PR5 links at it. Results: zip, nothing, Nada, 0.

      With SEOLV, I wrote 3 articles 3 links each (only 2 pointing to that site per article) 2 out of 3 deep linked, all cross linked, and 1 for 3 anchor text varied.

      I got in on the very tail end of the Beta test.

      This site is now still #3 BUT it's #3 on PAGE 1!!!

      Thanks, Brad.
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    • Profile picture of the author Spot the Ball
      Damn,

      Im getting "closed to new members" too.

      Was all set to join up.

      I read a few pages back the offer would be open for 1 month.
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  • Profile picture of the author terryd
    Brad, is there a support forum where questions can be posted as this probably isn't the best place to post them but it's probably not worth me submitting tickets for little questions I have where as you have probably already answered the same questions a hundred times from other members?

    Thanks for the link as well!
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    • Profile picture of the author gobucks3311
      Hey Brad,

      I do not have enought posts to send you a PM. I have sent an e-mail to you requesting the link.

      Thanks!

      Scott
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by terryd View Post

      Brad, is there a support forum where questions can be posted as this probably isn't the best place to post them but it's probably not worth me submitting tickets for little questions I have where as you have probably already answered the same questions a hundred times from other members?

      Thanks for the link as well!
      Hey Terry, yeah, you can just submit a ticket: Support Desk
      I've been in the desk pretty much non stop for the past 2 weeks, so I'll probably end up answering your questions. It will be either me, Maria, or Charlie. That's ok if I've answered it a bazillion times. I can at least type faster now :-)

      Brad
      P.S. Awesome Enfusia!
      P.P.S. Scott, I'm pming you the link now
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      • Profile picture of the author terryd
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

        Hey Terry, yeah, you can just submit a ticket: Support Desk
        I've been in the desk pretty much non stop for the past 2 weeks, so I'll probably end up answering your questions. It will be either me, Maria, or Charlie. That's ok if I've answered it a bazillion times. I can at least type faster now :-)

        Brad
        P.S. Awesome Enfusia!
        P.P.S. Scott, I'm pming you the link now
        I realise that you had the support desk but I was just wondering if there was a forum that you have set up for members so they can basically help answer some questions as well.....no problem.....thanks!
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        • Profile picture of the author Gartwynn
          I think a forum would be a great addition as well. Site owners and link getters could share suggestions etc.

          Gart
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Ayres
    I agree a forum would be a good idea

    Also i think another good idea is to let us know why our articles were rejected.

    When a site owner rejects an article would be good to make them give a reason so we know how to improve it
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    • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
      Originally Posted by SpudDS View Post

      I agree a forum would be a good idea

      Also i think another good idea is to let us know why our articles were rejected.

      When a site owner rejects an article would be good to make them give a reason so we know how to improve it
      I expect the majority of cases will be 'not relevant to my blog'. I've received 177 articles and only accepted 19 across 6 blogs in different niches. Worst still is the fact I've had to reject articles that were suitable for another blog of mine and I've never received these articles to these blogs.

      The new option to request articles should see a big improvement on this obviously.
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      • Profile picture of the author Votoshka
        Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

        I expect the majority of cases will be 'not relevant to my blog'. I've received 177 articles and only accepted 19 across 6 blogs in different niches. Worst still is the fact I've had to reject articles that were suitable for another blog of mine and I've never received these articles to these blogs.
        This happens to me a LOT too... I'll get a good article submitted to one of my blogs, but it isn't on topic... and yet, it would be great for another of my blogs where it's right on topic.

        So, yeah, I've had to reject good articles. I do think people often choose too many categories for their articles sometimes too... I guess in an attempt to get into more blogs.
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      • Profile picture of the author Meadowview
        I guess I am the latest new kid so a big hello to everyone. This is a great thread in a great forum and I have tried to read every post carefully.

        If this post should be in a different thread, please point me in the correct direction and I will delete and repost.

        Has anyone developed a paint by numbers instruction or blueprint to help a IM rookie use SEOLinkVine? I don't need help with the mechanics of how to use it. That seems fairly straightforward and intuitive. Instead, being new to this I need help making some decisions on what exactly I should be doing with my first article.

        At this point I have a new site promoting remote pc access software and support. Each page is optimized for a single long term keyword. I also have an original article that I wrote to use for link building as well as a rewrite of the same article from Human Rewriter.

        Here are the questions I am struggling with at this point:

        1. How much should I spin the article I submit to SEOLV? I know the more the better, but at some point it must make sense to stop and go to work on the next article. I have written 5 titles for the article but I am not sure how much spinning to do beyond that point. I know I need to do some to get unique articles posted, but how much? Does it depend on what I set as the max publish blogs #? If I set the max publish # at 100 for example, do I spin until I get 100 permutations of the article each with high 90%? uniqueness and how do I measure that?

        2. Related to the first question, will TBS lead a rookie by the hand or will it just make it easier to spin well without helping me know what my spinning goal should be?

        3. How do I decide what to enter for the max publish limit? I know what it means, but what criteria do I use to decide what to enter?

        4. How do I decide what to enter for the maximum requests per day? I assume that this option relates to the risk of getting flagged by Google for having too many links too quickly, but how do I decide what to enter?

        5. Of the 2 (or is it 3?) links I can place in an article, should each link have different anchor text? As I mentioned, the pages I will link to are optimized for a single keyword. Do I still need to vary the anchor text? If there are multiple links with the same anchor text in the same article, are any links after the first one wasted?

        OK I am sure I have gone way over my quota for rookie questions. Thanks to anyone and everyone who can help me eliminate some of this confusion.

        Thanks!

        Bill
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        • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
          Originally Posted by Meadowview View Post

          Has anyone developed a paint by numbers instruction or blueprint to help a IM rookie use SEOLinkVine? I don't need help with the mechanics of how to use it. That seems fairly straightforward and intuitive. Instead, being new to this I need help making some decisions on what exactly I should be doing with my first article.
          Sent you a PM with some info.
          For anyone with similar questions, I will be releasing a free SEOLinkVine strategy guide very shortly. If you can't wait, send me a PM and I'll send you the link.
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          • Profile picture of the author cyberws
            Based on the discussion here I decided to try SEO LinkVine and have been extremely disappointed. I experimented with one article only, just to see what would happen.

            Day 1: posted my article in the morning and set it up for 10 links/day
            Day 2: system showed that my article had been submitted to 10 sites - 5 links, the others to be posted later, which is fine
            Day 3-5: nothing more has happened.

            The first 10 submissions appeared and then zero action. So great - I spend a couple of hours spinning an article to get 5 measly links. I have been and still am a member of other programs and this is the lowest return ever. I'm getting a refund on Monday.
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            • Profile picture of the author meridint
              I'm seeing something similar.

              As a test, I submitted 4 articles, each set for 3 requests per day. Each article was submitted exactly "3" times within the first day for a total of 12. Over the next few days there has been no additional movement on any of the articles.

              It's as if once you hit the "Max. requests per day" number. The article is finished and no more submissions take place.

              As a side note: of the 4 articles, only two of them are in the same category. A third is in a separate single category and the fourth article is in 3 categories completely different than the other articles.

              All are spun at 97%-100%. The only thing common is the "Max. requests per day" number.

              If that makes sense...
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            • Profile picture of the author mrizos
              Originally Posted by cyberws View Post

              Based on the discussion here I decided to try SEO LinkVine and have been extremely disappointed. I experimented with one article only, just to see what would happen.

              Day 1: posted my article in the morning and set it up for 10 links/day
              Day 2: system showed that my article had been submitted to 10 sites - 5 links, the others to be posted later, which is fine
              Day 3-5: nothing more has happened.

              The first 10 submissions appeared and then zero action. So great - I spend a couple of hours spinning an article to get 5 measly links. I have been and still am a member of other programs and this is the lowest return ever. I'm getting a refund on Monday.
              I'm seeing the exact same thing. My articles are spun to 100% and have been picked up around 6-9 times the first day and then nothing after that.

              I'm hoping this is a bug of some sort
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              • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
                Originally Posted by mrizos View Post

                I'm seeing the exact same thing. My articles are spun to 100% and have been picked up around 6-9 times the first day and then nothing after that.

                I'm hoping this is a bug of some sort
                I doubt it's a bug!

                Man I'm not going to repeat what's been said early, this has been answered a dozens of times already.

                BTW I'm not getting articles published EVERY day, no sweat. I have patience. So far so good:

                9 articles
                Submitted for approval (172)
                Approved (113)
                Rejected (22)
                Pending (37)
                Published (106)

                All since the 27th April. No complaints from me.
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                • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
                  Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

                  I doubt it's a bug!

                  Man I'm not going to repeat what's been said early, this has been answered a dozens of times already.

                  BTW I'm not getting articles published EVERY day, no sweat. I have patience. So far so good:

                  9 articles
                  Submitted for approval (172)
                  Approved (113)
                  Rejected (22)
                  Pending (37)
                  Published (106)

                  All since the 27th April. No complaints from me.

                  Articles ARE getting approved every day, slowly, but steadily. But this is exactly what to expect. You don't build links over night!
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                  • Profile picture of the author meridint
                    Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

                    Articles ARE getting approved every day, slowly, but steadily. But this is exactly what to expect. You don't build links over night!
                    I understand that.

                    If each article was showing different behavior from the others, yet still slow submission rates across the board, that would be totally fine.

                    It's just that a pattern, real or not, of hitting the max request number immediately then stopping cold for a couple days identically for each article tested seems odd. Hell, even if they stopped cold at some other number than the "max request" value would be fine as well.

                    It very well could be that in a day or two they start submitting again. That will be great and I'll be back to say things have changed. At the moment, I'm picking up a pattern and am curious why.

                    In three other networks, I have not noticed such behavior.
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                    • Profile picture of the author meridint
                      Originally Posted by meridint View Post

                      I understand that.

                      If each article was showing different behavior from the others, yet still slow submission rates across the board, that would be totally fine.

                      It's just that a pattern, real or not, of hitting the max request number immediately then stopping cold for a couple days identically for each article tested seems odd. Hell, even if they stopped cold at some other number than the "max request" value would be fine as well.

                      It very well could be that in a day or two they start submitting again. That will be great and I'll be back to say things have changed. At the moment, I'm picking up a pattern and am curious why.

                      In three other networks, I have not noticed such behavior.
                      Ok. I added several more categories to the existing articles and there has been movement. I'm trying to keep the categories as closely related to the article topics as possible, but obviously casting a wider net will get more submissions. My net was not wide enough before. I'm sure it will only get better with time.
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                • Profile picture of the author mrizos
                  Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

                  I doubt it's a bug!

                  Man I'm not going to repeat what's been said early, this has been answered a dozens of times already.

                  BTW I'm not getting articles published EVERY day, no sweat. I have patience. So far so good:

                  9 articles
                  Submitted for approval (172)
                  Approved (113)
                  Rejected (22)
                  Pending (37)
                  Published (106)

                  All since the 27th April. No complaints from me.
                  I just figured there were more blogs in the loan and electronics niche. I have a 90% approval rate and only 9 blogs accepted a long tail article on student loans. 9 blogs....I just figured there may be....oh.....hundreds of blogs focused around the loan/finance niche....not 9.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Blaze
    Always nice to see the owner sticking around to answer questions and help out in the forum's when they launch something!

    Just signed up myself as an affiliate as Brad's stuff is always amazing (especially interface wise as he certainly knows how to make things user friendly and SEOLV is no exception).

    Glad to see your promotions to get more blogs in there and was thinking about adding a few of my own but still haven't got around to it yet

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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    Brad and others,

    What is the average number of blogs your articles have been submitted to?

    As always with these things it has to be factored against cost/time used. It takes quite a long time to spin articles, so is it worth it?

    I have signed up for this and is hoping for great results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
    Hey Richard, I pm'd you the link.

    Hey Jack, that's a tough question to give a good answer for because it depends on a bunch of various factors. Some members will have a ton of publishes, some will have a moderate number of publishes and some will have a few. A lot depends on the uniqueness %, the topic, the categories/subcategories selected, etc.

    What I can say is after we close SEOLV to new members today, we'll be building only the "get content" side of SEOLV, so our user base of blog owners wanting the free content will greatly increase over the next few months... bringing the ratio of "get links" users and "get content" users into one that should REALLY increase all numbers for both sides.

    Plus, with the new "articles on demand" feature that should hopefully be done today, the number of publishes can depend entirely on how many articles you write. You'll be able to login to your account and see the exact article blog owners are requesting, and will be able to write specifically for them.

    So, kind of a watered down answer, but hopefully that helps at least a little.

    Brad
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Ayres
    i have added a site to seolinkvine and on my Site Stats tab it says 2 articles waiting approval
    Total number of articles submitted to you for approval request: 2

    but when i go to get content on the site it says no requests and i havent recieved any emails to approve any artices?
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Ayres
      Originally Posted by SpudDS View Post

      i have added a site to seolinkvine and on my Site Stats tab it says 2 articles waiting approval
      Total number of articles submitted to you for approval request: 2

      but when i go to get content on the site it says no requests and i havent recieved any emails to approve any artices?
      Brad any ideas about this, seems to have been missed above?
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Originally Posted by SpudDS View Post

        Brad any ideas about this, seems to have been missed above?
        Hey man, no idea. Did you submit a support ticket? If not, please do that and provide as much detailed info as you can.

        Thanks!

        Brad
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        • Profile picture of the author Frank Ayres
          Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

          Hey man, no idea. Did you submit a support ticket? If not, please do that and provide as much detailed info as you can.

          Thanks!

          Brad
          I hadnt but i have just submitted a supprt ticket now

          cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    I just came across an article about 'handbags' . This article was submitted to these categories

    Food and Drink > Coffee
    Food and Drink > Cooking Tips
    News and Society > Economics
    Computers and Technology > General
    Food and Drink > General
    News and Society > General
    Home and Family > General
    Shopping and Product Reviews > General
    Health and Fitness > General
    Shopping and Product Reviews > Gifts
    Home and Family > Holidays
    Food and Drink > Low Calorie
    Food and Drink > Main Course
    Home and Family > Parties
    News and Society > Pure Opinion
    Food and Drink > Tea
    Food and Drink > Wine Spirits


    Most of those are just wasting everybody's time. There needs to be some reporting system to complain about this.

    Pearson
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Hey Pearson, I agree. Any suggestions are more than welcome.

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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    Hey Brad. One idea might be to restrict the number of chosen categories to, say, 3 or 4.

    Pearson
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by pearsonbrown View Post

      Hey Brad. One idea might be to restrict the number of chosen categories to, say, 3 or 4.

      Pearson
      Hey Pearson, yeah, unfortunately we don't have enough blogs in the system to restrict it to that few categories. We would need upwards of 300,00-500,000 blogs in total. We will get there eventually. It'll just take time. Good suggestion though, but right now that's not possible.

      Brad
      P.S. Also, to respond to the questions above. I just skimmed it, but to be honest, you really don't need to think that much :-)

      Just write a good/quality article that helps people. Add it to SEOLV. Use spin tags to change up the variation of your article to about 75% to 80% unique. Then submit it. I'd choose maybe 5 different keywords to target and would keep writing until I started ranking for them. Then rinse and repeat a 100 bazillion times :-) And that's honestly all you need to know. Other than picking good keywords to rank for.
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  • Profile picture of the author 4thstreet
    It would come in handy, that if we received an article for one site but it was better suited for another site that we had in the system, that we could somehow move it over to the better suited one.
    Like others have mentioned above I have received some really killer articles but the author had not chosen the best category for their article.
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    • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
      Originally Posted by mgtarheels View Post

      Is anyone's articles being submitted more than once per week?
      Yes, a number of them are. I've just hit 100 published from the 9 articles I've submitted since 27th April. I expect the people who've added 100's of articles are seeing 10 times that number.

      It varies depending on the articles, one's been published 20 times, 3 others just 4 times.
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      • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
        Originally Posted by mgtarheels View Post

        Is anyone's articles being submitted more than once per week?
        Hit Top Spot

        OK, one of my sites has just reached no 1 on Google for it's main keyword phrase. It's a low comp keyword (2900 exact searches a month - 112,000 exact phrase comp). It was in position 10 before I joined SEOLV. I've written one article for the site but the interesting thing is I was targetting keywords to inner pages on the site and it looks like this has boosted the main keyword phrase which is also the domain url.

        Because I haven't targetted this keyword phrase in SEOLV it doesn't appear in the rank checker so I can't post any screenshots. Incidently the keywords I did target are not ranking at all!

        I did notice it hit position one about 4 days ago then disappear completely of the map. This goes to prove the Google dance again. It's come right back on top. Hopefully it's not a temporary thing this time.

        Another keyword for another site has done exactly the same but hasn't reappeared yet. It was on page 2 before I started with SEOLV. I'll update if it does.
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    • Profile picture of the author neil_patmore
      Yes most definately. I'm averaging around 5 per day. Some more and some less.

      Take the time to choose your categories and be sure to choose multiple ones. Weight loss in health might also be relevent to self improvement happiness right?

      Originally Posted by mgtarheels View Post

      Is anyone's articles being submitted more than once per week?
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Question:

    If i receive an article, is it already randomly (pre-)spun?
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Elliott
    I have started using SEO link Vine on 12MAY10. I have used Amautomation very heavily for my link building for approx 18 months.

    I will be jamming Seo link vine full of high quality spin articles (most my spins are 98-100%), and will monitor the SERP and backlinks for my sites.

    One thing that I HATE about Amautomation the links dont stick for long.... However it works, so if Seolinkvine is what it is talked up to be its going to be amazing for link building. I will update this post with my results.


    Brad Callen - Two suggestions for the site:

    1) When I select "project name" can we make it so the categories I have selected previously are saved?

    2) To help avoid users selecting wrong categories and submitting poor quality articles, there could be a reward for the top 10 submitters. I think this would only do good for the seolinkvine network.
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    • Profile picture of the author Keithyt
      Totally gutted to be honest. My frst attempt to buy was thwarted due to a glitch at the bank. I waited until the morning GMT and now I find that membership is closed. I read an earlier post to say it would be open for a month (not casting aspersions) so didn't pick up on the urgency. Any chance of sending the link please Brad? It would be greatly appreciated and, like Richard, I can't pm you unfortunately.
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    ^Just click on Mark Blaze's sig. =)
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  • Profile picture of the author usfemail
    You really should test with more than 1 article; I have been using SEO Linkvine since the first day it came out and I have to say that I really like it. Of course I use it in conjunction with AMA and UAW to get the best bang for the buck..
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    • Profile picture of the author meridint
      That's why I used 4 articles across multiple categories. I guess I could up that to 10, but I thought this thing had been through beta.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Mind you i am only a member for 10 days now:







    No complaint at all here! I am amazed that people submit ONE article and then already considering a refund

    By the way..i am also seeing rankings for some sites of mine improved. Again..i am only with SEOLV for 10 days!
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    well instead of complaining, add some sites to the system

    I figured out a nice way to clone wordpress sites now, i myself put a bunch of insurance/loan sites in the system myself. I cant see there being only 9 in the whole system...
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
    I have been consistently (more or less) adding articles since I joined. And while it's been a "bumpy ride" with spurts of publishes and dry spells, none of my articles appear frozen and most of them have been published more than 20 times.

    So, my suggestion would be to just submit some more articles and watch it for a while.
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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    I accidentally set the max request number to 1 a day for an article and then left it. The article has now only been published once after 3 days.

    I think we really need clarification on how this works?

    How often do articles get shown for siteowners?
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    I have submitted more than 1000 articles, all of them spun UAW style and so they are unique and written by humans.

    Anyways, I have some articles submitted more than 30 times already and some submitted 0 times.

    I guess it's randomly fed into the system. Sure, some articles are syndicated more and some less, but overall I think they should equal each other out.

    So just sit back and wait is my advice.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Blaze
      Originally Posted by jacksonlin View Post

      I have submitted more than 1000 articles, all of them spun UAW style and so they are unique and written by humans.

      Anyways, I have some articles submitted more than 30 times already and some submitted 0 times.

      I guess it's randomly fed into the system. Sure, some articles are syndicated more and some less, but overall I think they should equal each other out.

      So just sit back and wait is my advice.
      Kinda the same as all marketing (sit back and wait once you have done the work) but really if they all were sent out at the same time and accepted at the same time then you would be in trouble as that many backlinks created all at once would be a massive unusual influx.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Fulton
    Here are my stats below for seolink vine :

    Total articles submitted to the system: 51 (51 total articles)

    Total number of times those articles have been approved: 2455

    Total number of times those articles were presented to site owners: 6853

    Total acceptance rate by site owners: 93 %

    I started adding articles before the launch of the site and those articles were being distributed 50 + times within a week, now the site has launched i have been adding articles which have been distributed max 5 times per week. It seems the system can't keep up with the influx of new members.
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  • Profile picture of the author Evita
    Just signed on to this and am wondering about the way submissions are handled.

    If I submit to max 10 blogs per day and there are 50 (how many blogs are in the system? would be good to know...) blogs in the system, but by next month there are now 200 blogs in the system, will my article continue to be distributed? Or will I reach "The End" at which point my article stops being distributed to blogs entered into the system after I submitted my article?

    As new blogs come aboard are we able to resubmit the article?

    Not knowing how many blogs/how many possible links I'll get for submitting an article would have a great influence in the length, the uniqueness, quality, etc. of the article.

    Brad, what say you?

    Thanks!

    Evita
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    i remember brad mentioning 14.000 blogs in the system a while ago. If that number is correct (which i dont know ) it should be even more now since i am sure there is many added each day. From that point of view, assuming there is really that many blogs, yes, i think the distribution rate could be higher. (?)

    I would personally be interested in some kind of statistics, eg. what niches receive the most articles, which less, whether selecting MORE categories for an article actually hurts distribuion or benefits it. PR distribution of existing blogs, things like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
    I am king of disappointed so far. Bare in mind I do have only 5 articles, the first 2 articles got presented the day I posted them for a total of 20 presentations of owners. I've had a total of 4 articles published, 3 for 1 article, 1 for another article and other 3 articles have not even been presented to blog owners. Are articles presented to blog owners every day?
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    • Profile picture of the author neil_patmore
      I think there's possibly some sub categories that need additional blogs adding and I'm sure Brad knows this hence the competition he's currently running.

      I use SEOLV along with 2 similar services and post my articles to all 3 sites to be published. For some small niche articles It's true that SEOLV is behind with publishing, both the other services have published 2 articles for a certain niche 30 times whilst SEOLV has published the articles twice so far, the articles were posted on 7/5/2010.

      If these were my only articles I might be a bit disappointed with the service but they're not. I've also seen other articles in more popular niches published slightly more than the other services.

      One thing you could do Brad in the interim whilst recruiting new blogs is to have an option to select all sub categories from the dropdown, i.e. Health > All or Self Improvement > All. Whilst I agree this might not help those blog owners who only want articles for their particular micro niche, it will certainly get the published rate up for those who are posting articles and not seeing great results.
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      • Profile picture of the author cyberws
        "I am amazed that people submit ONE article and then already considering a refund"

        I have membership in several sites and NONE of them behave in this way. It's a question of resources. Why enter a ton of articles into an unknown system when I have others that work fine? And ... this is the 6th day and I still have the same pitiful five links. In my other two programs I have many, many links in the same time period.

        = = =

        "We just have to trust the system on that"

        Sorry, but I'm not too big on trust in the IM market.

        = = =

        "Kinda the same as all marketing (sit back and wait once you have done the work) but really if they all were sent out at the same time and accepted at the same time then you would be in trouble as that many backlinks created all at once would be a massive unusual influx."

        I set my limit at 10 because the links are for a large, established site that can easily absorb multiple links a day. The number of links are MY decision not SEO Linkvine's.
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        • Profile picture of the author Zeb
          Originally Posted by cyberws View Post

          "I am amazed that people submit ONE article and then already considering a refund"

          I have membership in several sites and NONE of them behave in this way. It's a question of resources. Why enter a ton of articles into an unknown system when I have others that work fine? And ... this is the 6th day and I still have the same pitiful five links. In my other two programs I have many, many links in the same time period.

          = = =

          "We just have to trust the system on that"

          Sorry, but I'm not too big on trust in the IM market.

          = = =

          "Kinda the same as all marketing (sit back and wait once you have done the work) but really if they all were sent out at the same time and accepted at the same time then you would be in trouble as that many backlinks created all at once would be a massive unusual influx."

          I set my limit at 10 because the links are for a large, established site that can easily absorb multiple links a day. The number of links are MY decision not SEO Linkvine's.
          I understand your concerns mate. I'm a member of other networks that posts way more than SEOLV's currently.

          However, Brad has come out and said that he is closing the doors to get more sites in the network to get current members more links. Though it would seem that with more than 10k sites currently, there would at least be more articles posted than it is currently.

          Not sure if it's an influx of members issue or something else that is causing the backload of articles posted.

          I'd give the man a chance as he's got a rep to take care of and i'm sure that he's doing something to make things work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
    After posting some more and screaming at my notebook these are the stats as of this morning:

    Total articles submitted to the system: 7 (7 total articles)
    Total number of times those articles have been approved: 25
    Total number of times those articles were presented to site owners: 90
    Total acceptance rate by site owners: 100 %
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    • Profile picture of the author pennyjmay
      I too am highly unimpressed - such a big launch and it has fallen flat on its face.

      I have 6 articles and a pitiful 25 published since 27th April. One, in the credit card niche has just 4 in over two weeks! I put in 5 per day.

      As spinning a good article can take quite a while, this does not seem to be a good return on investment or time. Bearing in mind, not all of these published will even be indexed.

      I am thinking of cancelling if it doesnt pick up a bit by the end of the month.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Every day when i log in and manually distribute articles to my own sites, i get a relatively BIG number of miss-categorized articles.

    Today i had to reject like 30% of articles.

    The problem is that people use too many categories on their articles, not all are always fitting and right. EXAMPLE ("Insurance for pregnant women")..... is tagged as financial, women's issues, even HEALTH, self-improvement or whatever.

    So it arrives for a site for "natural remedies" because it is tagged under "health/women's issues"...except that "health insurance for women" has nothing the slightest to do with the topic of (my) site.

    And so on...

    And they need to address this since every rejected article makes me sad especially if there are other sites where i could need that article, eg. an insurance site!

    Maybe this has something to do with the low rate of distributions.

    (edit: By the way i am actually NOT blaming the people tagging their articles, since from a certain point of view those tags COULD make sense. But the system needs to handle this better in a way.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeb
    Suggestion.

    How about a stats page for tellling members how many articles were posted previously. Broke down into a daily stats or weekly stats. That way we could see how many were actually posted on a daily basis or total for the week etc...
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  • Profile picture of the author kislany
    I've checked backlinks to a site I added an article to on April 27 which so far apparently was posted 27 times (only). Used the many variations of title spins in Google search and I found so far 4 pages indexed in Google.

    1 site is a quickly thrown together Wordpress blog with the basic blue theme on it, site PR NA. I think it's not even indexed yet. A second site on a subdomain with PR NA where the main domain is PR 0, and then two domains that are currently in Godaddy's parking as the domains have expired. Wasted backlinks there. Nothing else found and I sat there across 2 different IPs for over an hour checking what all Google indexed for my site.

    I figured after over 3 weeks something should give...I'm really not impressed so far, I have to admit. With how much time I spent spinning just that article to be 100 unique (sentence spinning and variation and then regular spinning as well), I really start to feel I've wasted my time. I could have sent that article to the many smaller PR article directories which at least are better than 2 parked domains (so my links are wasted) and some PR NA and 0 quickly thrown together blogs that don't even have the decency to look like a site a real person put together.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
    Hi Guys, the reason we closed SEOLV is to increase the number of TOTAL blogs in our system from low 20,000s to double that... without adding more "paying customers".

    Doing this will easily double the number of publishes you get. We just closed on Friday.

    Also, we've just added the brand new "Article On Demand" feature where blog owners can requests specific topics to be written about, and article writers can then write specifically based on the topic that is currently "in demand".

    We're adding a lot of new requested functionality and are working hard to increase the network size. This is why we closed it to new paying customers, as I'm more concerned about maximizing the benefits for paying members than getting more paying customers into our system.

    Thank you for your patience. We're working as hard as we can over here :-)

    Brad
    P.S. Hi Jenny, you've written only 6 articles and have gotten 25 x 3 = 75 links and all in a little over 2 weeks time, and you're "highly unimpressed"? I'm not sure what you're expecting.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I dont think you can blame brad or the "the system" for people a***-lazy and not even bothering throwing together a halfway ok site.

    I also see sites where people not even bothered to remove the "hello world" standard post etc....but this not only SEOLV but on some other system.

    It really disgusts me seeing such sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author raiko
      I agree with GeorgR. Some of the problems are due to laziness or lack of care on both sides of the equation. I have seen some fairly sad blogs where someone obviously threw up a domain and installed WP and left it at that.

      On the other hand I see REALLY badly spun content. Do some of you even read through the variations of the spun text? I see things like this:

      "Time for a change" is spun into

      "Occasion to get a alter" or

      "Time period for any transform"

      The only blog that craap will get posted to is the one that still has "Hello World" as it's first post. It's certainly not going on any of my blogs. I have to reject far more articles then I accept just due to readability. Still, at the bottom of a horribly spun article I'll see that it was posted a number of times. Can't imagine the quality of those blogs.

      I have difficulty with the categorization as well. Picking more categories to get your article posted is one thing but I'm getting articles that are completely irrelevant to my category. <sigh> reject.

      I understand that we all have different objectives. Some want quality content and quality blogs because they believe that is what will work in the longer term. Others want to spam because they believe they can make a quick buck . To each his own. I just hope that those of you complaining about not getting many links from your articles are not the same one's submitting spun content without even reading it first. Hopefully over time it will all smooth out. Unfortunately as long as the junk content continues to get posted to junk blogs the junk submitters will continue to submit...junk.

      It would be nice if we could have a rating system for article submitters. When I see an extremely bad article I can grade it 1 out of 10 or something. Then have an option for blog owners to only accept articles from authors/submitters with a quality rating above some threshold. That would save me a lot of time reading through these horribly spun articles as I would only be getting content from what should be quality submitters/authors.
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    • Profile picture of the author kislany
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      I dont think you can blame brad or the "the system" for people a***-lazy and not even bothering throwing together a halfway ok site.
      Blaming is a strong word and I don't do that, however I beg to differ in not bringing this to anyone's attention (even when I'm conveniently ignored :rolleyes. This is not a free service, and as paying customers I think we can have a certain amount of expectations or a minimum standard at least when it comes to what sort of blogs go into the system. While I do understand that this is the cheaper sister of a much more expensive package to be offered for those with lots of molah, $50 a month is $50 a month, no matter how you look at it. If I had to post the articles directly on the site of the person, I'd shy away from it. But I have to rely on Brad's system, who needs to really tighten up the type of sites is taking in the system, that's all.
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Hi Kislany, could you please provide some practical suggestions? I would be more than happy to implement any suggestions. We're adding filtering/features/recommendations like mad men over here, so please give us some practical suggestions so we can make things better for YOU and others.

        Thank you

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        • Profile picture of the author Marie A
          Too many are quick to criticize with too small a sample size. At least 6 months is needed IMHO.

          I have a very high acceptance rate as my articles are top quality, 500 word minimum, over 80% spun etc.

          I am also very careful to only submit to relevant blogs. I feel this is so important in addition to the quality as some of the quality I have seen recently on Blogs is dreadful!

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        • Profile picture of the author kislany
          Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

          Hi Kislany, could you please provide some practical suggestions? I would be more than happy to implement any suggestions. We're adding filtering/features/recommendations like mad men over here, so please give us some practical suggestions so we can make things better for YOU and others.

          Thank you

          Brad
          Hi Brad,

          I'm thinking of some kind of check for what domains enter the mix. Basically anything that's still with the basic blue theme with the Hello world on it that was setup specially for the purpose of this competition you had going should not be allowed to enter. The sites could be new, as long as at least they have a decent them going for them to look like a person put it together and it's not a pure autoblog.
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          • Profile picture of the author momsapplepies
            Originally Posted by kislany View Post

            Hi Brad,

            I'm thinking of some kind of check for what domains enter the mix. Basically anything that's still with the basic blue theme with the Hello world on it that was setup specially for the purpose of this competition you had going should not be allowed to enter. The sites could be new, as long as at least they have a decent them going for them to look like a person put it together and it's not a pure autoblog.
            I hope Brad does not throw the baby out with the bath water. I can understand a site with no content being eliminated. BUT.... SE's don't care how 'pretty' a site is. Some of those default themed sites are that way on purpose, and the SEO that is hidden behind them might blow you away.
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      • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
        Originally Posted by kislany View Post

        But I have to rely on Brad's system, who needs to really tighten up the type of sites is taking in the system, that's all.
        I understand what you are saying, but you need to compare to similar services. Sadly, there are not many sites with good reviews of link building services, EXCEPT Dan's linkvanareviews.com.

        There are services which cost a lot more which are NOT necessarily better, at all. Seolv just looked way more attractive to me than similar services since i am not going to shell out $100++ a month for a system where i dont even know how good it is.

        But for real "results" and a conclusion its simply too early (for me)..i know how long link building takes. One can't come to a conclusion about the quality of such a system in only 2 weeks! Make this 2++ months and then check your SERPs and backlinks.

        Assuming there are 20k blogs in the system we can actually assume that NOT all of them are "low quality". (Math, logic and statistics would say it cannot be From that point of view a higher number of PR0 and so called "low quality" sites would actually be good since it would make the links look more natural.

        What counts, after all, will be the actual SERPs increase and number of backlinks after someone used the system for some months...then look at those results and not at single factors like the occasional garbage article or that your article appears on some trashy blogs. Look at the whole picture.
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    I like the new Article/Content on Demand feature.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by volkansen View Post

      I like the new Article/Content on Demand feature.
      Thanks. Seems to be working well in the first hour it's been live. There have been
      13 on demand article requests (each request requesting between 3-15 articles)
      19 on demand articles written

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      P.S. Remodeler, if we had 100,000 "hello world" blogs in our system, I would know about it. That is not the case, and we would never allow that.
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  • Profile picture of the author remodeler
    I was under the impression that they checked out every new blog added to the system. I'd like to get some clarification on whether someone is actually looking over each blog added or not. Links on blogs with parked domains and Hello World isn't going to do anyone any good. You can add 100,000 new blogs to the system but if they are crap it's useless.
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  • Profile picture of the author remodeler
    OK, but are you looking at new blogs being entered into the system? Kislany in her post, as well as many others here, brought up some good points that need addressed. What's the perameters on blogs being accepted? I'm a paying customer as well and if any and all types of junk is going to be the norm then I'm not going to continue to fork out $50 every month.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    They funny thing, there are some "quirks", but as of today i have not seen ONE garbage spun article. Problem is rather the categories and miss-distribution, IMO. I have to say ALL articles i received up to today looked very high quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author JMartin
    I'd really like to see the auto-reject filter improved. Got a site in the system, and I just auto-reject anything under 70%. Be great if this was an option.

    BTW, if you're just on the content creation side, pay great attention to your headlines. If it sucks, you're probably going to get rejected by anyone who is actually paying attention—regardless of what your article actually says.
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    • Profile picture of the author remodeler
      Originally Posted by JMartin View Post

      I'd really like to see the auto-reject filter improved. Got a site in the system, and I just auto-reject anything under 70%. Be great if this was an option.

      BTW, if you're just on the content creation side, pay great attention to your headlines. If it sucks, you're probably going to get rejected by anyone who is actually paying attention--regardless of what your article actually says.
      I agree. I just rejected an article with a 2 word keyword as the title. That was it...just 2 words. Also had to reject an extremely poorly spun article. No way the person could have even looked at it prior to submitting. That said, I did receive a couple of very nice articles that I could use.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
    I got a pingback from one of the sites who posted my content and it was a pr6 site. Sweet, found another one checking the title tags and came up with a pr4 site. it's starting to look up for me. Just wished blog owners would approve or reject stuff more quickly. So far 27 approved, 25 published, 1 rejected and 67 pending.
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Ayres
      Originally Posted by Sleaklight View Post

      I got a pingback from one of the sites who posted my content and it was a pr6 site. Sweet, found another one checking the title tags and came up with a pr4 site. it's starting to look up for me. Just wished blog owners would approve or reject stuff more quickly. So far 27 approved, 25 published, 1 rejected and 67 pending.
      Problem is i have added a site to the system but havent recieved any emails telling me there are pending articles, i have to keep on logging on to see if there are any
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  • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
    Ah yes, that too. I have 2 websites to get content on there. Haven't received an email telling me there is articles waiting for my approval/rejection but I have logged in to see and there are articles. I've approved some but they have to be published.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    i wouldn't want to get 50+ emails every day that i received articles. Its a given i receive articles, thats why i log in every day in the morning and approve
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  • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
    50 emails a day is not necessary, one email at the end of the day or start of the day telling you how many articles are waiting for your approval is enough. It'd be insane to email you each time an article is there for your approval.

    Of course, make this notification optional, defaulted to be notified and let members chose whether or not to opt out from the notifications.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    Brad, I have been a user of AMA, SENuke UAW and other services for the past year and here are my suggestions:

    1. Integrate The Best Spinner within this package. It really reduces a lot of the bad spun articles.
    2. Have a PREVIEW function for the article.
    3. Make sure you can submit HTML without actually clicking the HTML button, I find this IRRITATING!
    4. Make sure the system automatically saves the previous categories in the existing project you have saved. I know you want people to manually choose the right categories to prevent spam, but if they saved a site within a project, then it's safe to say that most of the other articles in that project are for the same niche.

    I think that's it so far...

    Oh since you own MAN, why don't you have a mass import function for MAN articles into SEO Linkvine also? Since both articles are spun the same way and the services provided identical things... it's only logical?

    Thanks! =]
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
    There is already a preview function...

    Just save your article, then select "view" from the list of articles. I definitely recommend doing this, just to check if all of the spin syntax is properly inserted and all the links are okay etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
      Originally Posted by ShaneRQR View Post

      There is already a preview function...

      Just save your article, then select "view" from the list of articles. I definitely recommend doing this, just to check if all of the spin syntax is properly inserted and all the links are okay etc.
      I want a preview within the submitting area, not after saving it and then looking at it.

      I mean, he did ask for suggestions didn't he? =]
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  • Profile picture of the author jeremynet
    Brad, I have started using SEOLV for almost 2 weeks and the system is great so far. One thing I found out is there are few blog owners accepting articles from SEOLV but all outgoing links are nofollow. (No Link Juice??)

    Can you set a restriction that all websites must set do-follow outgoing links before getting any articles from SEOLV. So it is fair for everyone. Just my 2 cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by jeremynet View Post

      Brad, I have started using SEOLV for almost 2 weeks and the system is great so far. One thing I found out is there are few blog owners accepting articles from SEOLV but all outgoing links are nofollow. (No Link Juice??)

      Can you set a restriction that all websites must set do-follow outgoing links before getting any articles from SEOLV. So it is fair for everyone. Just my 2 cents.
      Hey Jeremy, good deal. Right now what we've been doing is disabling those websites as they're reported to us in the desk. I'm sure there a better process we could use, but for now, this works until we can program a faster way to report these sites. If you run into any, submit a ticket to us and we remove these sites immediately. Usually within a couple of hours.

      Thanks.

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  • Profile picture of the author Meadowview
    I don't want to hijack this thread but I am preparing a spun article for use in SEOLV and I wonder if anyone has any thoughts as to how to best do the proofreading to make sure all the article variations are well written.

    If so, I started a thread on the topic in the copywriting forum. Being new here I can't post a link but I think you will able to find it without any trouble.

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
    Brad,

    On the get content side. You know how writers pick tons of categories and we can see which categories they picked. Can you give us an option to pick which category that article will get posted on our sites? Like a tick box next to the categories. If the tick box is not marked, then it'll default to what it does now, submit it randomly to one of those categories.

    -edit-
    I approved an article that had multiple categories and my blog had many of these categories, it got posted to every single category. I only want it posted to one. I think you should add the option right above this edit.

    Thank you,
    Oscar
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  • Profile picture of the author webdango
    ALCON

    Joined SEOLinkvine 11 days ago - have started writing at my NoJokeGuide blog.

    Brad, I know you keep URLs of blogs private, but really, what's the point? As my artciles get posted I can do sentence searches and see where they are showing up and find out some (maybe not all) of the SEOLinkvine blogs.

    IN the interested of quality and transparency, and to further enable the community to control the quality of the blogs, just tell us where the articles are being published. Let me click on teh number next to my article to get a list of URLs. I can then go to each one and see for myself if it's a quality blog. If not, provide a mechanism for me to easily report it as junk.
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    • Profile picture of the author madzseo
      Originally Posted by webdango View Post

      ALCON

      Joined SEOLinkvine 11 days ago - have started writing at my NoJokeGuide blog.

      Brad, I know you keep URLs of blogs private, but really, what's the point? As my artciles get posted I can do sentence searches and see where they are showing up and find out some (maybe not all) of the SEOLinkvine blogs.

      IN the interested of quality and transparency, and to further enable the community to control the quality of the blogs, just tell us where the articles are being published. Let me click on teh number next to my article to get a list of URLs. I can then go to each one and see for myself if it's a quality blog. If not, provide a mechanism for me to easily report it as junk.

      I've been looking for that same feature. I thought I just missed it. It would really be great to have that function.

      I submitted one spun article, it says on the stat that it's been published twice but how can I be sure that it's really been published. Ok..so I'm starting to sound a bit whiny here so I'm going to stop now But ditto on webdango's suggestion.

      Also, since the blogs are owned by other people would it be possible that they'd just delete the posts when they get tired of being a member of SEOLV? (Probably answered in previous posts but I just can't seem to find the answer anywhere. )

      [And to Kok Choon - wherever you are, I bought SEOLV from your link..you've been a great help. Thank you ]
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    just tell us where the articles are being published.
    uhm...no! This would not be wise on many levels...i understand your concern but the blogs part of such a network should never be made public.
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    • Profile picture of the author rayan
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      uhm...no! This would not be wise on many levels...i understand your concern but the blogs part of such a network should never be made public.
      Yes, I agree with GeorgR.

      One way you may want to do is to include a sentence that it not spun. Then google for that exact sentence after a few weeks...
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  • Profile picture of the author thomashoi
    I have used seo linkvine for weeks now and have secured some top rankings in Yahoo.

    There has also been some improvement in google but i guess it takes time. The best part about this is that once i submit the articles, i can forget about it and just wait for more backlinks, since everyday, the same articles will be published by other blogs.
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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    I still have an article where I by mistake set the daily requests to 1, that article still only has been published ONCE in a week.

    It would be really nice to know if this is what to expect?
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Just curious as it was open then closed so damn fast that I didn't get to see:

    What does the paid option entail? How much is it? What are the benefits?

    Thanks guys, I missed the boat this time, so sorry for the questions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zeb
      Originally Posted by cypherslock View Post

      Just curious as it was open then closed so damn fast that I didn't get to see:
      Hey cypherslock,

      Let me volunteer to answer your questions :-

      What does the paid option entail? How much is it? What are the benefits?
      The paid version allows you to post articles and get backlinks to the site of your choice. It used to be $47 when it opened but i think that Brad might reopen at $67 or i also heard $97(?) in the future. Benefits are basically getting links to your site to improve your seo rankings. You can get more info at the sales page though. Explains it way more in detail.

      Hope this helps...
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    • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
      Originally Posted by cypherslock View Post

      Just curious as it was open then closed so damn fast that I didn't get to see:

      What does the paid option entail? How much is it? What are the benefits?

      Thanks guys, I missed the boat this time, so sorry for the questions.
      I posted a video with a look at the features inside, a few pages back in this thread, if you're interested.
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    Hey Brad, could you send me a pm - i dont have enough posts to send one
    thanks,
    Al
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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    Has Brad dissapeared from this thread?

    I think a lot of people really want to know just how many links to expect.
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  • Profile picture of the author John34
    I signed on Friday and submitted 1 article, till now all my stats are 0, can anyone tell me how many days do they take to start distributing articles?

    They claim 48 hrs but its more than 72 hours now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
    Hey Jack,

    It's nearly impossible to give you a number on how many links you can expect. Just today I was helping a user and saw that a single article he submitted had almost 200 publishes. I've also seen others with 3-10 publishes an article. 1 publish = 3 links. So, for the 200 publish person, that's 300 links! and 30 for the 10 publishes people, which is still quite a lot for only writing 1 measly article.

    Number of publishes depends on many factors (i.e. number of blogs in the categories/subcategories you select, % of rewrite uniqueness for each article you write (80% and up is good), number of total articles you write (we submit no less than 1 a day. Some ppl do more. Some do less), whether you submit article using the new "on demand feature", how quality your article is in terms of whether or not blog owners accept or decline your article, and the list goes on and on)

    You CAN expect plenty of links to raise your rankings if you write quality articles. I honestly wouldn't worry about an exact number. Just focus on writing good articles, revolving around good topics... and let us handle the rest :-)

    We're adding more and more blogs every day, so you can expect more publishes as time goes on. It's scary to think what things will look like after adding blogs for 2 years. Please keep in mind that we've only been open to the public for a couple of weeks.

    Hey John, See my comments to Jack above and make sure that you're a-ok on all of those things. The cron job was down all day on Monday because of a mySQL error generated from a "bad" title that a user submitted. We caught it late Monday, and it caused a small back load of article in the queue, which is now almost emptied. Stuff like this will happen. Like I said above, my best advice is just to write quality articles and don't worry about the rest. The system will work well if you're doing that. Hope that helps.

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  • Profile picture of the author John34
    @Brad, my article is ok ,it has 10 tittles and has got sentence and word level spinning.

    Here are my stats

    Total articles submitted to the system: 0 (1 total articles)

    Total number of times those articles have been approved: 0

    Total number of times those articles were presented to site owners: 0

    Total acceptance rate by site owners: 0 %

    Will u mind looking into my account?
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Hey John, just give it some time :-P It sounds like your account is only a couple of days old and you've only written 1 article.

      If you want though, you can you pm me your email address I can look up your account. But to be honest, there's really nothing that could "go wrong" on our end to never publish your 1 article. Just be sure to do all the things I mentioned earlier and you'll be fine.

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  • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
    Brad,
    Do you think you can add the feature I suggested on page 11 of this topic? The one where we can select of the many categories people to chose to publish the article, we can select which category/categories they will be published to?
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by Sleaklight View Post

      Brad,
      Do you think you can add the feature I suggested on page 11 of this topic? The one where we can select of the many categories people to chose to publish the article, we can select which category/categories they will be published to?
      Hey, absolutely. I've already posted it to our "to do list". I'm not sure how long it will take to get to it though. We've got ALOT of feature requests in the works, but we'll do our best.

      Thanks

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    Ok Brad, let me wait for couple of days, also i will be adding more articles now.
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    ^ Thank you!
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Ayres
    if we want catagories added do we do a support ticket?
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    • Profile picture of the author dotcomdesigns
      Originally Posted by SpudDS View Post

      if we want catagories added do we do a support ticket?
      I did, but didn't hear anything yet. Probably 3 days ago but I guess they are very busy at the moment!
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Originally Posted by dotcomdesigns View Post

        I did, but didn't hear anything yet. Probably 3 days ago but I guess they are very busy at the moment!
        Hey, you should definitely have gotten a response. If not, can you pm me the ticket number? I'm in there with my guys all day. During week days, the longest a ticket goes unanswered is about a day, at the very very most. Usually only takes a few hours, unless the ticket was submitted after business hours.

        Also, yeah, support ticket is the way to go to request new categories. Thanks

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        • Profile picture of the author Marie A
          Hi Brad,

          Writing articles like crazy and so far have 89% acceptance rate so it's all good!

          My question is that if we write articles that blogs are requesting do we just send to only those blogs in the interface or do we also submit in the usual way so that the person who has requested will receive but also so the article is 'out there' for all other blogs to accept as well?

          Please clarify.

          Appreciate your time and efforts.
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  • Profile picture of the author vpgemini
    I have been using SEO Link Vine for getting content for some of my sites. I have to say for the most part it is pretty good. But I will point out that some of the quality of these articles is pretty cheezy and you usually have to edit the article once its on your site as it seems to have issue with punctuation etc.

    But all in all it is working pretty nicely. I also tried to sign up for submitting my own articles but it is closed.
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  • Profile picture of the author chini
    Yeah agree, most articles are crappy. But i guess if they are they won't get accepted. So the higher quality your article the more it will get accepted.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Hey Marie, nice work :-)

      You should only submit the article to the "on demand" person. That way the content is unique to them only.

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      • Profile picture of the author Marie A
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

        Hey Marie, nice work :-)

        You should only submit the article to the "on demand" person. That way the content is unique to them only.

        Brad
        Well in that case I may as well just put it 'out there' to get more than three links or am I missing something?

        BTW for all you out there moaning about this service please take note that I have so far had articles published 554 times as of this post.

        It's all about relevant content and taking the proper care.

        Only good articles will be accepted and I think I can achieve over 90%.

        The huge problem I find is the spinning as it needs to be checked very very carefully.

        On average each article from start to upload takes about 3 hours to do it right.

        The difference in some of rankings so far is amazing!, and it's only just begun.

        PS. You can send over my commission now Brad for the decent plug. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    darn i had to reject like 40%-50% today...all weird categories.
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  • Profile picture of the author VegasGreg
    I have just started (just over a week) and am at 100% acceptance on submitted articles. I use the Best Spinner and am very selective in my spinning process so it is like a human spinner. Only takes a good 10-15 minutes for me.

    For incoming articles, I am 50/50 for accepting. Usually it is because of bad category selection, but only a few because of bad copy or a bad title.

    The new format on the site today for receiving content is absolutely horrible. It doesn't show %rewritten and doesn't allow for a re-spin (if needed). Hopefully this is just a testing process or else my rejection rate will climb closer to 99%. Please go back to the previous version!
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by VegasGreg View Post

      I have just started (just over a week) and am at 100% acceptance on submitted articles. I use the Best Spinner and am very selective in my spinning process so it is like a human spinner. Only takes a good 10-15 minutes for me.

      For incoming articles, I am 50/50 for accepting. Usually it is because of bad category selection, but only a few because of bad copy or a bad title.

      The new format on the site today for receiving content is absolutely horrible. It doesn't show %rewritten and doesn't allow for a re-spin (if needed). Hopefully this is just a testing process or else my rejection rate will climb closer to 99%. Please go back to the previous version!
      Hi Greg, this new format was done for much easier/faster article approval. % rewritten should be added tomorrow, as should "re-spin" ability.

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      • Profile picture of the author rayan
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

        Hi Greg, this new format was done for much easier/faster article approval. % rewritten should be added tomorrow, as should "re-spin" ability.

        Brad
        I like the new format! It is simply faster to approve and reject. I look forward in seeing the rewritten % =)
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  • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
    I can't click the close button in the new format of get content side. Can you make the lightbox smaller so that the close button isn't out of my window? I have to hit back currently if I want to close the lightbox.
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    • Profile picture of the author rayan
      Originally Posted by Sleaklight View Post

      I can't click the close button in the new format of get content side. Can you make the lightbox smaller so that the close button isn't out of my window? I have to hit back currently if I want to close the lightbox.
      I face the same problem but what I did is that I press and hold 'CTRL' then hit '-' to zoom out (you may need to hit twice or more) the entire window so that I can see the close at the bottom.
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
        Originally Posted by rayan View Post

        I face the same problem but what I did is that I press and hold 'CTRL' then hit '-' to zoom out (you may need to hit twice or more) the entire window so that I can see the close at the bottom.
        Just read this guys. Will be "fixed" tomorrow morning. You could just get a bigger monitor :-P Kidding.

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  • Profile picture of the author Meadowview
    I finally have my first article almost ready for posting and I am eager to pull the trigger. Since SEOLV doesn't seem to have a forum started yet, I wondered if I could get some feedback here since this thread has sort of evolved into a SEOLV users forum.

    I am using the article to promote a new just recently indexed website. The article is 550 words +/- and spun with The Best Spinner (2 options for each sentence and lots of synonyms). SEOLV shows it as 100% rewritten and DupeFree shows approximately 35% duplicate content between spun versions of the article.

    I have 3 links in the article with the same 6 anchor texts spun for each link. Each link goes to a different page of my site.

    Any thoughts so far? Does this sound like I have done what I needed to do to maximize the benefits of posting the article in SEOLV?

    I was thinking of setting the publish for 5 requests per day and unlimited max publishes. Is 5 requests a day too many for a new site? Also, I can't think of a reason to limit the times the article is published in total in my case. Am I missing something?

    Finally, can anyone tell me how to convert spun text to a bold font? The bold command in the software does not seem to work on spun text. I submitted a support ticket this morning but have not heard back yet.

    Thanks!

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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    Some of us will close this thread if the rules are not adhere to.

    This is a review forum, not a support or flaming thread.

    For support, please go to:
    Support Desk

    Thanks for your attention.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marie A
      Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

      Some of us will close this thread if the rules are not adhere to.

      This is a review forum, not a support or flaming thread.

      For support, please go to:
      Support Desk

      Thanks for your attention.
      I agree and apologize if I was in any way a part of this as it was not my intention Joseph.

      I was one of the first to sign up within minutes of the launch and have been 'flat out' on it ever since so here is a review:

      The program has crashed 2 computers when in large screen a couple of times and needs to be addressed.

      The time delay in switching from view to edit and back again is very slow and a royal pain.

      It was very slow to submit at first but as the developer stated keep submitting and this will sort itself out.

      Some people, as a result of this, felt that their money was being wasted the first few weeks so perhaps brad can note this.

      As we have no direct contact with the blog owners and visa versa, better communication is needed via messages or request posting possibly.

      Perhaps my top suggestion would be to have this program as a download type of software rather than working 'live'' all the time.

      It would be far easier to work from an offline application and then to upload to server once all proof reading is done etc without having to change screens all the time.

      There definitely needs to be a user type questions and answers document perhaps in the form of a PDF that is updated rather than the same questions and answers appearing again and again.

      From reading users input it is clear that a lot of customers do not fully understand how to optimize their articles and correctly use the software.

      Not everyone is a tech expert so this should be 'spoon fed' to please all clients concerned.

      We do need an 'SP1' sooner rather than later but the launch was very recent. Perhaps Brad can advise when the first major update will happen.

      Hope you like the review.

      Marie
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  • Profile picture of the author theleader
    Brad, are you thinking of starting a WSO about SEOLinkVine here?

    If yes, do PM me the link.
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    I think theleader has provided the straw that has broken this camel's back. Posting that so soon after two different mods have asked for REVIEWS only is unacceptable.

    This product is not currently available for sale so I think we should close this thread down and then start a new one when the product is available again.

    Pearson
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