Anyone having great success with Brute Force SEO?

I tried it briefly and it seemed to have little effect on my rankings but that may be because I stopped using it.

I, like so many have wasted too much on his rubbish to ever consider trying it again.

There seems to be a pattern whereby the product launches, the forum starts getting complaints and then gets locked.

There's an interesting post here: I Won't Subscribe to Brute Force SEO | Lost Ball in High Weeds

Not for me.

Ray

Oops, posted twice for some reason.

Ray

Wow, no one with rave reviews?

You're right Kevin, it's nice when more than one little boy can see the Emperor's nudity! (Hans Christian Andersen's "The Emperor's New Suit")

Ray

I'm not new to forums in the slightest, but I have to say, it's rather distasteful to see the public bashing of someone who is part of our group here on the WF. Even if the product isn't something you like or works out for you, there's no need to be ugly about it.

/sigh.

Up til' this point, I'd really only seen the good side of the Warriors here.

I guess it was all too good to be true.

Blah.

~D.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, although Bruteforce hasn't been out very long it is basically all his other software packaged together which people have been using and having problems with for a while.

I am sure Peter is big enough to stand up for himself if he wants to without other people thinking they have to defend him because people don't like his software

I didn't test software becase it didn't work.
I would like that I have, but if you sell software for $97 per month you must have support and asnwer on emails.

I am with David on this one. I am testing it too on a few niches and I think it is far too early to tell if it is working or not.

I've had two refund from Pete because the stuff doesn't work, or it's too complicated to implement.

I too am sick and tired of people sugar coating other people's stuff just because they sold lots of copies and other people said they were great.

I'm not saying Pete is a con artist or a bad bloke, just that it didn't work for me (none of his stuff lived up to my expectations) and I personally don't think that such techniques, whether automated or not, will be able to stand the test of time.

Why not?

Google is one of the biggest brands the world ever has seen. They built (and continue to build) their brand on complex algorithms that allow the most suitable, rich and authorative content to be displayed higher than the spam/junk.

So, you might shoot to the top of Google for some long tail, useless keyword for a few months, but I can assure you that Google (and other SE's) are wise enough to see past such nonsense.

I don't care whether you disagree either, we'll see who's right in 2 years time.

And to quote from I Won't Subscribe to Brute Force SEO | Lost Ball in High Weeds

"I mean, if he did the same thing with a topic that mattered, say "Tour de France", and for 3 pages all I got was the same basic listing to go to one page, as a web surfer I'd be pretty pissed. No one wants to wade through three pages of listings only to be given the same information at every webpage. It's stupid. It doesn't bring value and sooner or later Google will take notice."

Finally, an internet marketer who has got some balls and a brain and isn't afraid to show either of 'em. However, he or she is also very negatively balanced and seems to slate alot of people's products, such as Commission Blueprint which was totally outstanding in my opinion. So, make up your own mind based on the facts, not just one or two opinions! It might work for you, it might not.

Go forth!

P.S

Either way, it's about time we started developing a back bone, people.

I didn't test ButeForce but I tested BadAss Article Submitter (very vulgar names). I had a failure rate of 8/10.

I also tested Peter's customer service skills. Very sensitive to comments about his product and told me, "No one is having problems with the program."

I immediately cancelled my subscription and delete all emails about BruteForce.

batchos

Dudes.... Chill!

Sucks that Pete hasnt been able to reply to this thread and you guys don't like his current product, offer him some feedback, that way he can improve and find out exactly what YOU expected from the service when you signed up.

Also, if you go back and look at all of my responses to this post, you will see that I consistently refer to "my opinion" and that I "am not attacking Pete personally or directly"...rather I am just making a point about this sealed lips mentality about IM products or services, particularly in this forum.

You don't go to Amazon and see all the buyers give a glowing review, frightened to say what they think about a product (good or bad) do you? No, because they are giving PERSONAL opinions based on their own experiences. But that doesn't stop people buying stuff off Amazon, it just makes the entire community more trustworthy and believable.

P.S

The reason why people are not afraid to slate products on Amazon is because they don't have to worry about others nailing them. They don't have to worry about being a "guru basher" because in the real world, a good product is a good product and a bad one is a bad one.

Just because you've made a hot series of radio shows doesn't make you immune to being publically destroyed when you try TV or even just release your next podcast.

If people just stopped worrying about what other Warriors thought of them and spoke their mind, perhaps they might just get a 25% following of loyal friendships, instead of a 100% following of wishy washy, sat on the fence sheep type of "friendships".

No offence to anyone who took it, just saying stuff that's on my mind.

At the risk of having my quote dragged through the mud again, my intention was NOT to say that critiques are not welcome, or that I was defending Pete or his product.

However, I DO believe in the value of constructive criticism and the ability to find a product unsatisfactory for whatever reason w/o being inflammatory.

Considering the wealth of information you ALL bring to the table about the IM world, I would think that offering your reasons for your dissatisfaction and suggestions for areas of improvement might benefit the group and the product producer as a whole.

If that makes me ideological, then so be it. We've been subjected to enough smear campaigns on TV recently in the states; I didn't really want to see it here too.

There are plenty of posts around this forum that aren't supportive of many products or services, and they're able to say so in a diplomatic fashion. You can't discount the fact that people are more willing to take criticism of their work when it's offered in a neutral manner.

That's all I was trying to say and I'm sticking to it.

~D.

Um.... lol

Geez guys. I guess I should have done a poll instead (and waited to sit down with a beer)... or a simple

-nah, not up to par

-yeah, love it

would be fine. lol I don't understand the shit storm.

Hey guys

I'll post this message and will not reply further..

Only to say,, I create tools that work very successfully for me and pass them on to other people to use to get the same success as I do..

Im not going to defend myself against those posts above it will only give not needed credance to them

LOTS of people use my tools and make a LOT of money using them as I do..

a good craftsman never blames his tools is all I say

one thing about content.. BF does not create content. content is supplied by user, doesnt get simpler than that.

Google cannot change its algo to harm BF. we use 65 social sites. If they wipe these sites.. we'll use a different 65. we are not that we are nearly big enough to make any impact on the Big G, you guys are complimenting us way to much..

Use it and you will get fantastic results.. I show you how to do it without the software. free.. though the software does it 200 times faster..

Feel free to use it or not..

I will not post any further in this thread.

To Your success with or without BF!!

Cheers

Pete

I've been thinking long and hard about getting this... but the 'stickiness' issue was one of the initial questions that ran across my mind.

Now it seems like this was a legit concern??

I have some established sites with some pretty good rankings (#2, #3), and I'd like to bump them up to #1. But I don't want to hit #1 for a few days, then drop back several pages . The other sites I'd like to try this with are new, so it doesn't worry me as much.

So, is this 'stickiness' issue the rule, or the exception?

I think too many people misunderstand the purpose of tools like this. I'm not saying you necessarily but just in case, for whoever may be mistaken, tools like this just help automate a process that people do by hand.

So asking if it works in the sense of the software functioning and asking if it works in that people are having success making money and getting good rankings are two different things.

You still have to pick the right keywords, the right niche, post content that will keep people's attention so that they click on your links, etc. So that is on the user.

As far as working in getting rankings it does work if you pick the right keywords because it automates what people should be doing manually anyway. It just really speeds up the process.

Finally, as far as functioning, in my case I could not get it to work and have given up. I was disappointed because I had been waiting for it a long time and avoided SEnuke or whatever else because I wanted to be loyal. Unfortunately I had to give up and I've found my alternative that does work.

Some people can't get Brute Force SEO to function and others can and judging from the yay versus nay comments I have seen for a while, sorry Karen, in my experience it is not a small percentage that has problems. It's a lot of people, but maybe I'm wrong.

There are compatibility issues with just about all software. But when it seems to be 50/50 or close, even if it's 60/40 or 70/30 (I really don't know I can only speculate based on comments I've seen from the past year or whatever) then that's a sign the software may not be high quality and is something that should probably be investigated if the creator cares enough to expand his reach and make 150% or more of what he is making now, which he can't do if the software just doesn't work.

Someone can say the problem is on the user's end, and I know there will always be some people with problems no matter what software, but when most can get Article Post Robot to work, SEnuke to work, and many others, which also use Internet Explorer components to post and are of a similar nature but then yours does not work properly or at all for so many people then it's probably your software that's the real problem. The deciding factor is whether the seller cares enough or not or whether he is happy enough and sees no need to focus on those people who have problems regardless of what percentage it is, or not. It's his call and he decides what is better for him.

So, there's no real need to harp on the same thing all the time. If Pete's software doesn't work for you then just don't buy it anymore and forget about it and get an alternative that does like I did or wait and see if they improve it and try again. SEnuke, for example, had issues at first but now it works great for most people, from what I read and the same might be true for Brute Force SEO. If it does work for you then that's great and you have a very valuable tool.

It really doesn't matter too much what software you use that automates these steps as long as it functions and it's especially good if it covers blogs/webpages, social bookmarking, RSS and maybe the top 10 best article sites. If it doesn't do video just go with Heyspread. So just find another if possible.

I like Pete enough. I haven't talked to him a real whole lot but he seems nice enough and once gave me one of his software for free to help me out in a problem with Wordpress and I will probably continue buying his reports, but not any software unless it's something I'd like to try but only on a different computer and that won't be any time soon cause I'm in a bad situation. But I'll still follow Pete because he has some good stuff to say and if I see that his software is more compatible in the future I will begin recommending it again.

So, to end this, if you can get it to function, then of course it will work very well because the process that it automates works.

It's just a buck so find out for yourselves.

I'm done.

Yup...Just came out today Matthew...

They have sped up the application greatly as well

I have seen several reputations nearly or completely ruined, since I have been on this forum, and believe me, it was, in some cases, their fault.

Before you all turn purple, just hold on a minute - I'm not through!

Developing a product, takes a lot of time and effort, and sometimes a lot of money. The developer is anxious to get it finished and on the market, which is understandable. The last thing on his/her mind is "reputation", which really should be the first. They just want to get the thing out there. More often than not, there hasn't been a whole lot of testing going on. If any, it is done by a "techie".

People become unhappy for various reasons, and start demanding refunds. Then they get on forums and start blasting the product and the developer.

Just remember this:

"It is much easier to get a customer, than it is to get them back."

A long time ago, I heard someone mention "the grandma test". You may have also heard of it. Of course it doesn't have to be a grandma. It could be a relative, friend, newbie - whatever.

Instead of being so anxious to hit the market with your product, you should first give it to someone who is totally unfamiliar with marketing or using new software. Let them download it, install it, and use it, all by themself for a couple of weeks. When they call or email you for instructions, or tells you there is something they don't understand, or says that they can't get something to work - fix it. If something needs to be added to your help file - do it. If grandma is having a problem, you can rest assured, there will be others who will have the same problem. When "grandma" reaches a point where she can use the product on her own, with no help from you, that's the time to unleash it on the public - not before.

If more people would make sure their products really work, and their instructions are crystal clear, it would go a long way toward preserving their reputation, plus not having to refund their hard earned money to a lot of angry people.

Granted, there are a few people out there who are habitual refund seekers, but they are usually exposed rather quickly. If everyone used my method of dealing with this kind of person, after a while, there would be no one for them to buy from. After refunding, I simple block them from my sites, and they can NEVER buy from me again.

So there you are. If you have a grandma, put her to work. If you don't, then borrow someone else's. Just make sure that your product is the best of it's kind, and your next product will be more readily acceptable to the same people. Plus, they will sing your praises all over the web, instead of blasting you to high heaven.

I hope no one gets upset because I expressed my opinion. It wasn't meant to cause a problem or start an argument with anyone. Just my $.02.

Dixie

Dixie,

I agree.

Not about the refunders though, unless they are serial refunders who always buy and cancel the same day. Maybe three strikes and you're out?

Anyway, there were beta testers but I don't know how many. But these are probably mostly people who have developed online friendships who are customers of Pete's who may have had success before and were allowed first dibs at the software for testing. I don't know but that's sort of what it looks like.

When you beta test something you have to try and break it and do all sorts of things to see if it conks out, whether it's a video game or a software application.

I understand what you mean about the grandma test, but this is probably more useful for clarifying the interface and the process the user should take in using the software because other people who are familiar with similar kind of software may be able to figure it out regardless. If this isn't done in order to see where people may fumble, then meticulous and clear instructions need to be given and guessed ahead of time.

On the other hand it might be better to use people who are familiar with the type of software and what it's used for for testing and to push the software and try to "break it".

But testing should also be done across different configurations. I don't mean people whose computer's are bogged down with spyware to the point their systems are really messed up because that's extreme and those people need to take better care of their computers. But the general user often has their OS doing some sort of quirks that the next person's doesn't and vice versa.

If the software has only been tested on XP. It should say so. If it has only been tested on Service Pack 2 it should probably say so and so on.

It's probably ideal to get people to test who have legit copies of Windows, non-legit (hey I'm just saying cause that's a lot of people), who have service pack 3, others have service pack 2, home, professional, X amount of RAM, IE 6, IE 7, and whatever else and combination.

This may not be as easy as it sounds, but it could probably have been better than just selecting a relative few to test on a limited number of systems who are already making money doing this stuff with his other software or following the process laid out in his reports. You'd want people who are serious but they could apply and answer a questionnaire. People who would go through a lengthy application are most likely more serious and likely to actually use the software to test it than someone who may just ask to beta test in order to get a free copy.

In my case, I sent the link to few friends. Two of them enrolled as affiliates and in total, five took the trial. I got 5 payments of 22 cents (from 1 US$) and 2 payments of almost 31 US$ each. Now, think to the conversion rate.

Going forward, Peter admitted that there were issues on Vista 64bit and some other fixes were required, based on different scenarios that you could use. Even so (I use WinXP) it was not affecting me and I can tell you that the software IS working and it is NOT a waist of time.

Peter Drew gave for free the techniques used - or to be used "by hand" - so it is not necessary to have BF SEO in order to apply them. If you want to automate the procedures, you will have to consider BF SEO also...

Now here are two thoughts from other persons that I discuss with, in regards to BF SEO:

and

Regarding the results: well, I intend to open a different thread, after having the complete tests finished and I will personally invite Mr. Drew (Peter) to comment them.

I was really looking forward to Pete's BF software and I have to say I was totally disappointed.

Pete made a comment about not blaming the tool, well if you load up the info and push the start button and it doesn't do what it stated it would do who are you suppose to blame

I don't see how he expects people to pay $97 while he works the bugs out.

Pete Drew has some good ideas, but the resulting products are usually under-developed at the initial marketing stage and don't get good for a few months afterwards. The problems are usually basic and shouldn't be there on a publicly released product.

It's always too easy to underestimate the development time for a piece of software but marketers (and it's pretty well all of them) really must get out of the habit of starting to market before a product is at an advanced enough stage. It causes a momentum that nearly always ends in disappointment. The Product Launch Formula approach works great, but only for finished products.

I bought the product one month ago - very complicated and the instructions stink. I put up with it since a "complete rewrite" was being issued. Well, it was and nothing works at all. Spent hours and couldn't even get a new account created on one of the blog services. Keep getting locked and having to exit the program. Tried to get a refund and they don't do refunds even when their system locks up and doesn't work.
Keep away from this unless you just want to throw away your money. Plus when I canceled my forward subscription they removed my access to the forum and other aids immediately , even though I had paid for the month.
The instructions are for the old program. Never get an email when something changes or needs to be updated - just get tons of email telling me to see the product.
It has much promise and No delivery and no service.

I use it and like it. It is now compatable with Vista 64bit. Thats what I use.

Hello Everyone

I must say, I really appreciate the participation in this thread, it's participation like this from users for and against the product in question,that help people make an informed buying decision.

I've used (and am currently using) both pieces of software in my online business and both products have there good points and areas that need improvement. But for me, Brute force's linking system coupled with it's rss strategy is incredibly powerful!

I have tested different niches with both pieces of software and have come to my own personal conclusion based on my personal test's that, brute force creates organic campaigns that rank increasingly as one niche entity over time. I have never seen software that has given me the kind of results that I've achieved using bruteforce.

It is most unfortunate that users of the vista operating system are having so many problems, and therefore have yet to enjoy the benefits of this excellent software...but if you cannot get Brute force to work for you SE nuke is always the next best thing.

That's my honest review

Roger

I try the 7 day trial.
Well, actually not much to try.
The system is very unstable. I can create bookmark accounts, but cannot submit. Can't create tripod accounts, etc.
Finally gave up and back to SENuke.
If you success doing it manually, these tools saves your time.
I'd stay away from Brute Force SEO until it's stable. When? :p

Ade I hope you post back with the results from senuke
I would be curious of the head 2 head

Ade: If you paid with a credit card through PayPal and not PayPal funds, you still have the chargeback option.

i just got it today. in the review process
will let you know how I go

I have tried SEnuke, Brute force and bookmarking demon 4..

The only one i still use is BMD

The problem i have is that the automation only ever partially works so you find yourself going back to sites to fix and post things. I stick with bmd, article and directory submitters and the Firefox autofill plugin

Some people drive Ford's
and some people drive Chevy's.
Some people drive BOTH!!! ;-)

Brute Force SEO vs SENuke ...or... why not use BOTH?

I'm using SocialBot, RSSBot, and DirectoryBot with significant results. You can buy all three for far less than one month of Brute Force SEO.

John

I thought the sales page was pretty good.
Chris

I am not sure about all this negativity and where it is based -but I have used several of the software pieces and find they work as advertised.

IF all this hulla-balloo is to carp about a lower price-its a package deal-you get all the software in Brute Force. Pete is always adding on more software to make it even more worth your money. Have you tried the Linking Software yet, probably not.

Most of the programs save you time (which is money) at what hourly rate do you charge for your own services $70 -$100.00 per hour -working with clients or doing SEO services for others? Not bad -eh?

If you put half the energy in positive work like getting clients-instead of the negativity herein - I am sure you would make your money 10 times over the cost.

I tried it myself and the software works fine, and if you read the instructions-you have to CANCEL the re-occurring charge in Paypal yourself after you pay the buck. Come on people -reading is fun!

The one thing you do get with Pete-is a guy who is working harder-putting in more software to make you money...he always is adding on to the value...not many -if any IM'kers....do that today.

Software either works or it doesn't. It either fulfills the promise or it doesn't. If the software doesn't load, keeps giving you error message, I don't think it is unfair to say that the product does not work (on my computer). Can I get a refund? The help desk ignores the request for months? Statement of facts only - Not bashing

Promote the best Clickbank Programs with just one link.

It's got some good potential but it's not worth it for me at the moment because you can only post one link per profile when that changes to 4 links and more sites then it may be worth it until then I'm going to keep using my outsourcers to create accounts and links manually.

I have been playing with it for a while now.. and I am liking it... just start it and let er rip...

I have used LLH with great results... so it was a no brainer for me..

Hi everyone
I started in Brute Force about a year ago and used it very little but kept reading the forum and the reports on the results that were reported. Last june I started using it about 1 time per week and started seeing some ranking movement for some keywords.

Around September I started using it 1 and 2 times per week for a Keyword with a broad match of 31,700,000. Nothing happened for that KW but I did get 55 other KW's ranked on page one. Still I was not happy since I could not get the KW I wanted ranked anywhere.

The in December it just popped into the 144 position and has stayed there. I have not done much and trying to get it to in the last 30 days.

Brute Force is now EVO and is just the next set in upgrading the software. I learned how to use the software when it was BF which made the EVO learning curve shorter.

There is a learning curve and I don't think 7 days will show you much of anything unless you can spend the entire time period just learning and using the program.

I tried SENuke with the same frustration and lack of results yet people swear by it. You just have to commit yourself to learning, using and paying for it. It is not cheap but then it does alot more then a single piece of software. It is a package of software.

I would recommend it to people but with the cautions noted above.

Doug