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OUTSOURCE FORCE "SAVE YOUR MONEY"

by sheppo51
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I had to post this as every man and his dog with a list is
sending this out.

Do yourself a BIG FAVOUR watch the videos learn from them and
do it all yourself.

You know the upsell is coming and the video series is almost
identical to the webinar i attended hosted by the guys from
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John Reese

Just has his more dynamic sales approach.

In fact he leads you in video 2 into onlinejobs.ph
which is there site.
Im sure this is where his sales videos will lead you
or something very similar.

The thing i did not like is that you commit to $97 a month
sign up and they immediately hit you with the upsell.

Also when you contact the people who have submitted there resumes
they hardly ever get back to you.
Strange since they are looking for a job.

Yet the upgrades are all pre-qualified and available
i bet they are at $800 finders fee.(REPLACE MYSELF)

All the info you can source quite easily.
The alarm bells rang quickly with me and i cancelled

I have had some real horrors from outsourcing and
the Phillippines being no exception.
Again these guys have been been to the phillippines and set up
there operations i dont have the money to do that.


These Gurus get my back up on the way they just want to suck mainly
newbies in and make them think this is the NEW best thing.
Some gerat stuff on this froum and on others out there where you
can learn all about OUTSOURCING.

So my Advice learn from the vids and keep your money in your pocket.

Ask questions on here people will help.

The Choice is Yours.
#force #outsource #save your money
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    That is what most people should do as they need focus and to take action.
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    • Profile picture of the author sanssecret
      I'll admit I haven't seen the videos. Conscious decision because I don't like the guy. That could well be my loss, a price I'm prepared to pay.

      Having said that, before you can even begin to think of outsourcing you have to have some knowledge yourself or you have no idea if you're being ripped off.

      What's the point of outsourcing article writing if you don't know a good article from a bad one, or don't know how to check if it's unique?

      What's the point of outsourcing SEO if you don't know squat about it? How will you know whether your outsourcers are doing what they should be doing?

      John's course could well be fabulous, but if you don't know anything, how the heck will you know?
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        Originally Posted by sanssecret View Post

        I'll admit I haven't seen the videos. Conscious decision because I don't like the guy.
        Sheesh! What's not to like about John Reese? He seems like a decent chap to me, and I even plunked down the bucks for Traffic Secrets 2.0 without regret.

        I haven't watched the videos except the first one, they're sitting in my inbox, but now I think I will.

        You can watch and learn without feeling the need to spend money. Call it revenge. You don't like the guy, fine. See if you can benefit from what he has to say without rewarding him.

        That'll teach him...:p

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      • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
        Originally Posted by sanssecret View Post

        I'll admit I haven't seen the videos. Conscious decision because I don't like the guy. That could well be my loss, a price I'm prepared to pay.
        I met John briefly at Filsaime's Vegas weekend event. The first thing he said to me was "hi, I'm John Reese." I thought to myself, "Duh - dude, everyone here knows who you are, LOL."

        My first impression was that he's a good guy. Very humble and smart but a bit of an introvert. I can relate because I am also.

        I don't know what reason there is not to like him.
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      • Profile picture of the author searchjunkie
        Originally Posted by sanssecret View Post

        I'll admit I haven't seen the videos. Conscious decision because I don't like the guy. That could well be my loss, a price I'm prepared to pay.
        May I ask why you don't like him?
        My gut instinct tells me not to trust him either, but I can't put my finger on why.

        The last video sounds really compelling.

        I was really thinking about getting John Jonas' program then I got an email from him promoting John Reese's outsource program. Hmmmm.
        I thought Jonas was the outsource guru. What the heck?

        Who actually IS a leader and expert in outsourcing?
        What about Kyle Tully?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      I have had someone from the Philippines working for me since October and she's great. Can there be horror stories. Yes, of course. But you don't throw in the towel you keep looking for a good match for your business.

      There are a lot "horror stories" about bad workers here...I've worked with a few when I was in Corporate America. Doesn't mean you can't find good workers.

      I haven't seen John's new outsourcing-related product so I can't comment. I'm not interested since I'm already outsourcing. But as the OP stated...watch what they do...and most of them outsource.

      Like anything in your business you have to work. The lower-priced workers will take more hand-holding and need more training. So don't expect them to run your business for you on day 1. You're going to have to work with them and train them (I just do Jing videos and send them the link). No matter what anyone tells you.

      It might take a few months but once they're up and running it gets easier.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alminc
      I don't doubt that outsourcing to cheap coutries is profitable.

      But talking about newbies and this high level of systematised
      outsourcing doesn't make any sense to me.

      What newbie will pay $300-600 per month for one outsourced
      worker who actually can be working with just one part of the
      whole business, 25-30% in best case?

      What newbie has in-depth training materials in form of pdfs and
      videos in place to train their worker for a number of tasks?

      What newbie can actually estimate if his worker is doing good
      job or not?

      What newbie knows how to communicate with those people
      for maximum results?

      This kind of outsourcing is absolutelly not for newbies, they
      would just lose a lot of money.

      Hiring full time workers is for advanced online business owners
      who know exactly what they are doing, why they are doing it
      and how much they are going to profit from it.

      Just my two cents.


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      • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
        Originally Posted by Ron Douglas View Post

        Most people don't know what to train them to do. When it comes to the specifics of your business, an outsourced worker is usually only as good as you train them to be.

        Ron is 100% right on this. They are only as good as you train them.

        I had a outsource for social bookmarking. They define it as using automated tools, I defined it as getting involved and contributing to the community. Without training, you dont know what you will get.

        More important then outsourcing for newbies is getting your business up and running and making money, worry about outsourcing later.

        Cheers,
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      • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
        Originally Posted by Alminc View Post

        What newbie will pay $300-600 per month for one outsourced
        worker who actually can be working with just one part of the
        whole business, 25-30% in best case?

        What newbie has in-depth training materials in form of pdfs and
        videos in place to train their worker for a number of tasks?

        What newbie can actually estimate if his worker is doing good
        job or not?

        What newbie knows how to communicate with those people
        for maximum results?

        Almin
        Good points Almin. One thing to consider though is Newbies aren't always broke or cheap and not always non-business savvy. Some of them are well paid business people who are short on time and need to outsource.

        Maybe John's course provides the training materials and guidance needed for them to build their business using outsourced workers.

        Honestly, I don't know because I haven't seen the details.
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      • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
        Originally Posted by Alminc View Post


        Hiring full time workers is for advanced online business owners
        who know exactly what they are doing, why they are doing it
        and how much they are going to profit from it.

        Just my two cents.


        Almin
        Good points but we can also look at the pricing point they made for the program which don't really correlate with being affordable by a newbie with little money to outsource. Also they do say it's not for everyone at the end of the video because of the need for regular cash investment. Also it may very well be newbie friendly in that it doesn't just give the details on outsorucing but there are also blueprints to follow along.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Ranger
    I don't understand what's so complicated with outsourcing, I just go to odesk, find someone with a decent reputation, and pay them for doing the job. If they don't do the job I find someone else. One big tip I use a lot is creating a video for them showing them what to do etc..

    Would love to see what else can be said to be honest! I thought I had it all covered!
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
      Originally Posted by Steve Ranger View Post

      I don't understand what's so complicated with outsourcing, I just go to odesk, find someone with a decent reputation, and pay them for doing the job. If they don't do the job I find someone else. One big tip I use a lot is creating a video for them showing them what to do etc..

      Would love to see what else can be said to be honest! I thought I had it all covered!
      Most people don't know what to train them to do. When it comes to the specifics of your business, an outsourced worker is usually only as good as you train them to be.
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    • Profile picture of the author joetheseo
      Originally Posted by Steve Ranger View Post

      I don't understand what's so complicated with outsourcing, I just go to odesk, find someone with a decent reputation, and pay them for doing the job. If they don't do the job I find someone else. One big tip I use a lot is creating a video for them showing them what to do etc..

      Would love to see what else can be said to be honest! I thought I had it all covered!
      ... That'll be $1997 please
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    Perhaps I should give this course a miss then
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  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    Saying hey go and outsource and it will save you time and money is like
    Saying he go make money online, it is easy.

    There is a art to doing both that you get from putting time and effort into it.

    I created an outsource guide (in WSO) becuase I see a lot of people dissing outsourcing without understanding it.

    A few tips
    #1 - Learn the process that you will outsource. There are exceptions to the rule like programming, writing or something you dont have the interest or skills in

    #2 - Expections; if you want to pay 10% the price and get 100% the quality here, then hire local. If you want to pay 10% and get 90% the quality and work with it, then outsource

    #3 - Stuff happens - Except miscommunication, bluders and things to come up, they come up in internet marketing, they come up in business. Just the same with outsourcing, learn and move forward.

    #4 - Build Habits - If you let them slack early, thats how you will build your relationship and its hard to change. Learn from me I did this the hard wat

    #5 - Respect them, they are people as well

    Anyways, I can go on, but these small things make a HUGE difference.

    Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author Jackie935
      Hey does anyone have anyone Particular that is available noW to start work FULL TIME. In other words anyone has some one to recommend on odesk or online.ph ?
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  • Profile picture of the author koncorps
    I think it was interesting that he wore sun glasses, hoodie and shorts in the first video. If I made over 1 million a day online I think I'd at least put on something more decent for my video.

    I suppose that's all part of the guru (do-whatever-you-want) image?

    Either way as someone who does quite a bit of outsourcing initially I also thought the videos were pretty lame.

    However there are a few gems in there which make it worthwhile to watch, just as OP said keep your money in your pocket

    -Kon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      Originally Posted by koncorps View Post

      I think it was interesting that he wore sun glasses, hoodie and shorts in the first video. If I made over 1 million a day online I think I'd at least put on something more decent for my video.

      I suppose that's all part of the guru (do-whatever-you-want) image?

      -Kon.
      Not just the gurus. I've worked hard to work from home in a t-shirt and shorts. When I would record a video I would change. Not any more. I do shave though.

      Here are some well-dressed men you can trust...





      Both stole billions in Ponzi schemes so you can't judge a book by it's cover.

      I've never met John Reese but he seems a bit on the shy side so maybe that comes off the wrong way to some. Most people that have met him (like those in this thread) only have good things to say about the man.

      If he was in a suit and tie someone would have posted he "sold out". You can't win I tellz ya.
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      Originally Posted by koncorps View Post

      I think it was interesting that he wore sun glasses, hoodie and shorts in the first video. If I made over 1 million a day online I think I'd at least put on something more decent for my video.

      I suppose that's all part of the guru (do-whatever-you-want) image?

      -Kon.
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      I think he had to do something with the iPad and some other
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    I think this course will teach marketers how to really explode there business I'm looking forward to receiving a few $1000 checks from it
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  • Profile picture of the author Ty Neal
    Originally Posted by pank90 View Post

    how much will outsourceforce cost??
    $1997 got love those high ticket offers. I know I do
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Ranger
    Must be a serious amount of content for him to sell it at that price!
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by koncorps View Post

      I think it was interesting that he wore sun glasses, hoodie and shorts in the first video. If I made over 1 million a day online I think I'd at least put on something more decent for my video.

      I suppose that's all part of the guru (do-whatever-you-want) image?
      If he wore a suit and tie, he'd get a lot more flak. That's not his style, and is not resonant with his market, so he wears what his market wears, and he is who he is.

      Clearly, he can't win in some people's eyes.

      I do kind of see a disconnect myself though - in that, if you reach the point of being able to outsource, do you really need to spend money learning how to do it?

      Why spend time and money LEARNING, when the whole point is to free up more time and money? One step backward to take two steps forward, I guess?

      Anyway, I bet it's killer for the right person...John is a marketing genius if you ask me.
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  • Profile picture of the author MoneyMaker Guy
    Here we all are critisizing what the dude is wearing and missing the point that this Guy has already made a "few Bucks" online so experience counts for a lot. I say watch the videos before commenting and then either say Yes or No to the offer.

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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    I just love threads like this. "I don't really know what's in it, because I cancelled. But don't buy it, since what I asume it is doesn't seem worth it to me." And of course everyone will take this anonymous person's assumptions seriously...

    Ron,
    My first impression was that he's a good guy. Very humble and smart but a bit of an introvert.
    That's an accurate impression. John Reese is one of the nicest human beings you'll ever meet.


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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Bard
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      John Reese is one of the nicest human beings you'll ever meet.
      Second that.

      Many moons ago before his Million Dollar Day, John helped me with a few things via PM.

      After the "Big Day" while he was being swamped because of his new found celebrity status, he still made time for me to finish what was started.

      As far as you folks making fun of him looking like "a deer caught in the headlights", John suffers from some severe anxiety disorders and is an example of what can be done if one fights hard to overcome personal obstacles.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marty S
        Whether he is the greatest human being on the planet is rather irrelevant. When you buy his products you don't even deal with him directly anyway.

        The question is - Is the product worth $2G?

        I was satisfied with John Reese's TS2 and actually appreciated him recently putting it online for easier access. There was NOTHING profound in that series, and even some "filler" IMHO, but I liked it enough to pass it on to my kid as a basic internet traffic course.

        However, I have reasons to suspect Outsource Force is not going to be worth $2g.

        1 > Just a few months ago Reese released the Money Mindset with a plan to price it at $497. He then wrote an email that backtracked on that price saying that overwhelming negative response to the high price swayed him to offer the product for $97 given these tougher financial issues facing potential customers. Now since the Video Boss concept raised the roof on price points, that apparent price sensitivity now seems less than sincere to me.

        2 > The videos themselves for OForce seemed rushed, repetitive and somewhat self-indulgent. How he got his drag racing car in there, I don't know. I also recognized certain sections of the series that were ripped directly from popular marketing books. The 3rd video was just a list of IM tasks ending with the phrase "easily outsourced". It was easily irritating as well.

        I suppose I am having trouble with these price points, but at the same time, I have a rather good idea of how much production I can outsource with $2g, even with my limited experience in outsourcing.

        So sorry John, you really nice guy, but I am not nearly convinced with spending $2g on this.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
          Originally Posted by koncorps View Post

          I think it was interesting that he wore sun glasses, hoodie and shorts in the first video. If I made over 1 million a day online I think I'd at least put on something more decent for my video.

          I suppose that's all part of the guru (do-whatever-you-want) image?

          Either way as someone who does quite a bit of outsourcing initially I also thought the videos were pretty lame.

          However there are a few gems in there which make it worthwhile to watch, just as OP said keep your money in your pocket

          -Kon.
          Originally Posted by Marty S View Post

          Whether he is the greatest human being on the planet is rather irrelevant. When you buy his product's you don't even deal with him directly anyway.

          The question is - Is the product worth $2G?

          I was satisfied with John Reese's TS2 and actually appreciated him recently putting it online for easier access. There was NOTHING profound in that series, and even some "filler" IMHO, but I liked it enough to pass it on to my kid as a basic internet traffic course.

          However, I have reasons to suspect Outsource Force is not going to be worth $2g.

          1 > Just a few months ago Reese released the Money Mindset with a plan to price it at $497. He then wrote an email that backtracked on that price saying that overwhelming negative response to the high price swayed him to offer the product for $97 given these tougher financial issues facing potential customers. Now since the Video Boss concept raised the roof on price points, that apparent price sensitivity now seems less than sincere to me.

          2 > The videos themselves for OForce seemed rushed, repetitive and somewhat self-indulgent. How he got his drag racing car in there, I don't know. I also recognized certain sections of the series that were ripped directly from popular marketing books. The 3rd video was just a list of IM tasks ending with the phrase "easily outsourced". It was easily irritating as well.

          I suppose I am having trouble with these price points, but at the same time, I have a rather good idea of how much production I can outsource with $2g, even with my limited experience in outsourcing.

          So sorry John, you really nice guy, but I am not nearly convinced with spending $2g on this.
          Here is the only time I think 2K is worth it. Content wise, I dont think anything worth 2K. Splitting from that money will move me soo much that I take action since I dont like spending 2K unless it pays back a lot more.

          Marty right, clothing, nice guy is not gonna grow your business. You are gonna grow it!!!!
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          Marty,
          Whether he is the greatest human being on the planet is rather irrelevant.
          It's not relevant to the quality of the product. That's true. It is quite relevant to the comments to which I was replying.

          I didn't comment on the product because I haven't seen it. A lesson it might benefit a lot of people to learn.


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      • Profile picture of the author Jackie935
        Guys get real. What's up with making fun of his clothes. I think most of us would love to WORK in our Shorts, tishirts and sunglasses. At least I would for sure.
        I look for his CONTENT and quality Videos and think they are good stuff while still feeling the price is HIGH for people in thiese tight financial times though

        Where do you think is the best place to hire? Odesk or Onlinejobs?
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    • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      I just love threads like this. "I don't really know what's in it, because I cancelled. But don't buy it, since what I asume it is doesn't seem worth it to me." And of course everyone will take this anonymous person's assumptions seriously...

      I have no idea what's in this thread, because I didn't bother to read any of the posts. But I'm pretty sure this thread totally blows. I'm going to go warn everyone not to open it up.

      Cheers,
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    The Howitzer method may be at work here...
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Hart
    I found the videos to be good, I am probably his target market as I have never outsourced but really need to, so I'm considering buying it.

    As for John ..... I don't know him and I have never communicated with him in anyway but I trust him, I have been around a while and I have a huge list of people on my BS list and a very small "trust" list.

    How can you not look up to a guy so successful?

    There are tons of high ticket items which are complete garbage, borderline scams, can you name 1 john reese product you felt so strongly about you could call it a borderline scam.

    I think his video style is great, so he shows his cars etc, he does it in subtle way and not like the many others who flash cars, boats and money in your face at every second.

    Overall I'm interested in his product and as I mentioned I'm his target market so I expect his product to do really well.

    Thanks
    Andy

    PS - as with all high ticket items prepare for the onslaught of "me too" marketers

    pimping this product just to get their hands on the commissons, it really gets to

    me that most of the said markets don't even have the product or any intention of

    buying it but promote how this is the best product since sliced bread just to get

    paid. I HATE unethical marketing! PERIOD!
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    Andy,

    Think about what you said there. You trust him, and you believe his products are good, but you think it's unethical for other people to promote them based on the same belief?

    [ahem]


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  • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
    Originally Posted by sheppo51 View Post

    I had to post this as every man and his dog with a list is
    sending this out.

    Do yourself a BIG FAVOUR watch the videos learn from them and
    do it all yourself.

    You know the upsell is coming and the video series is almost
    identical to the webinar i attended hosted by the guys from
    Replace myself/

    John Reese

    Just has his more dynamic sales approach.

    In fact he leads you in video 2 into onlinejobs.ph
    which is there site.
    Im sure this is where his sales videos will lead you
    or something very similar.

    The thing i did not like is that you commit to $97 a month
    sign up and they immediately hit you with the upsell.

    Also when you contact the people who have submitted there resumes
    they hardly ever get back to you.
    Strange since they are looking for a job.

    Yet the upgrades are all pre-qualified and available
    i bet they are at $800 finders fee.(REPLACE MYSELF)

    All the info you can source quite easily.
    The alarm bells rang quickly with me and i cancelled

    I have had some real horrors from outsourcing and
    the Phillippines being no exception.
    Again these guys have been been to the phillippines and set up
    there operations i dont have the money to do that.


    These Gurus get my back up on the way they just want to suck mainly
    newbies in and make them think this is the NEW best thing.
    Some gerat stuff on this froum and on others out there where you
    can learn all about OUTSOURCING.

    So my Advice learn from the vids and keep your money in your pocket.

    Ask questions on here people will help.

    The Choice is Yours.
    Al, doubts are cleared in newly released video. Video 4 clearly says there are...

    * No Upsells
    * No continuity
    * No hidden fees
    * You get full access to everything

    PLUS

    30 Days, no questions asked, 100% Money Back Guarantee...

    Hope that clears the rumours...
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  • Profile picture of the author strobe
    Regarding the cost of the course - it seems all courses done on Kajabi (Kern's, Video Boss, and this one) have all been priced at the 2K mark.

    I'm guessing the top internet marketers have got together and worked out a pricing strategy for all their new releases.

    I'm also sure that such big releases will be staggered - whereby you wont have many (if any) clashes.

    Yep, this is the well oiled IM money making machine in action.
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  • Profile picture of the author BH_Winchester
    Outsourcing is marvelous - I've been hiring Philippino workers for the past 3 years to do my work online they come cheap, are often very good at english and are always hard working. I use easyoutsource.com for all my hiring but I would love to hear other places where they can be hired?

    If anyone knows where to get good cheap outsourcing let me know! But yes internet marketing is a business where many hands make light work for you - once you get the starting capita outsource like mad
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  • Profile picture of the author krikkod
    I was about to purchase until i read this. It makes sense to be able to know the process yourself, even a little bit, in order to know whether or not you are getting what you paid for.

    However, wouldn't it be fairly easy to outsource SEO without even knowing how to do it yourself? Because at the end of the day the ultimate outcome, at least for SEO, is to get on the first page of Google if not Number 1.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
      Originally Posted by krikkod View Post

      I was about to purchase until i read this. It makes sense to be able to know the process yourself, even a little bit, in order to know whether or not you are getting what you paid for.

      However, wouldn't it be fairly easy to outsource SEO without even knowing how to do it yourself? Because at the end of the day the ultimate outcome, at least for SEO, is to get on the first page of Google if not Number 1.
      I 100% agree with John that you should know it before you do it.

      Example; I hired a bookmarker, she defined it as automated bookmarking software. I define it as contributing, posting and commenting on others. If I did not know it, then I would not get what I Wanted.

      Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by krikkod View Post

      However, wouldn't it be fairly easy to outsource SEO without even knowing how to do it yourself? Because at the end of the day the ultimate outcome, at least for SEO, is to get on the first page of Google if not Number 1.
      It's easy to get on the first page of Google and even rank #1. What's hard to do in many cases is to get there with a keyword that will have a positive affect on your bottom line.

      If you are unknowledgable about SEO you can easily be persuaded that a given keyword ranking highly means the SEOist did their job. Many times it's a smoke screen. The keyword has meaningless commercial value.

      They may not tell you that. In fact, you could have been the one who wanted that keyword to rank. So they do it for you knowing it will be a laydown and they take your money and you get squat.

      Unless you're happy with your trophy keyword ranking #1.

      ~Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    I don't understand why this thread has not been moved to the review section.

    It also seems to come very close to violating this rule:

    The main overriding rule for this forum is this:

    If you have a problem with another Warrior, a Guru, or God, take it up with them directly. Not here. No exceptions.
    John Reese is a member here. He is also a human with feelings. You don't like his product, that's fine, but to lobby to destroy his sales seems much like destroying someone's WSO.

    Perhaps there is a clause somewhere that when a person is big enough you can trash him/her all you want.

    Personally I would love to have his product, but frankly it is not in my budget right now. I too think that perhaps I can do without or find alternative information, but I'm not going out there with big red warnings telling people not to buy. People can make their own decisions based on their own budget.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      I'm wondering why this thread even exists. I would love to see a rule in place that states you cannot write an opinion about a product unless you've actually bought and used it. Or if threads like this get started, move them over to the Off Topic Forum. They certainly don't belong in the main forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
        Now that this thread has been moved here to the Reviews section, it will remain open as long all subsequent posts are reviews of the product only by people who have actually bought and used the product ONLY.
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      • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
        Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

        I'm wondering why this thread even exists. I would love to see a rule in place that states you cannot write an opinion about a product unless you've actually bought and used it. Or if threads like this get started, move them over to the Off Topic Forum. They certainly don't belong in the main forum.
        Man, I dont see why the section even exists, the review section.

        Also - It amazes me... I mean AMAZES THE $H!T OUT OF ME... when marketers (who are here to be marketers) complain about up-sells and down-sells. I mean, WTF is wrong with people to complain about that here?

        Is this the basketweaving forum... the bass fishing forum... the remote control race car driving forum...?? Nope, it's a marketing forum. MARKETING. As, in selling & distributing stuff for profits.

        Marketing.

        Here's a clue.

        When you market most anything, you are lucky to get a 2% conversion rate. If you spend $500 on Adwords and make $500 on Adwords, you break even. If you want to increase those conversions, you've got to work hard to even get it up 1% more. But... but... when you add up-sells and down-sells, you can increase your ROI.

        Imagine that.

        Imagine a person increasing their income and ROI. How dare they? I mean, what self-riteous, greedy *******s they are huh? Increasing ROI... who would do such a thing?

        Give me a break.

        Marketing.

        Then, someone says, "I dont like the guy". Yeah? Well who are you?

        But you know why most people complain about up-sells and down-sells? Because they dont do anything themselves. They've never made any real money online themselves and this is just a hobby to them... entertainment... because they are bored.

        Up-sells and down-sells can make a business. A lack of them can fail a business.

        Lastly, how important is outsourcing? VERY!

        Here's an example: I have a client who was at this thing for years. YEARS. The problem was she could not get past the technical challenge and was burned even trying to outsource to get it taken care of so she could move forward. I helped her move forward and outsource effectively and she's pure gold now. There's many more examples like this, including myself.

        Whatever. Go buy a clue. It's marketing

        Eric
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    Oh, come on guys - you should go help another millionaire earn another million dollars or two! Besides, John's probably competing with Frank, Andy and Michael on who earns the most from their product launches. They were all scheduled perfectly so not to step on each other's toes in order to get the most dollars from their market place. oh well . . . this is called marketing.

    Happy Trails...
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    This thread has been transferred here from the main forum. We already have an excellent thread about this here. Please use that.

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