Bruteforce seo VS SEnuke

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Hi

I'd like to seek some opinions on the ratings of the two... I know there are 2 separate threads about the 2 software but I'm wondering if anyone has tried both and could give an objective comparison in terms of results. I think they are quite similar so I would assume having one of them is sufficient, unless someone has more insight about this.

Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author donnyh
    SEnuke hands down.

    No offence to Pete but SEnuke is 100 times less buggy, supports a ton more features, the user interface doesn't look like a child designed it and supports better websites.

    Just my 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author napoleonfirst
    SENUke is really cool with a lot of features. Cool program.
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  • Profile picture of the author Angela Neo
    Yeah I'm having issues with Bruteforce's support system.. sent in a support ticket like 4 or 5 days ago... not a word from them.

    I do think bruteforce has lots of potential but it needs to have better support for a $97 subscription
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  • Profile picture of the author stevorino
    There is another thread about this here:
    Anyone having great success with Brute Force SEO?

    My personal opinion is that Bruteforce SEO gets a big thumbs down for myself and my customers who ask for my reviews. Go with SENuke. Bruteforce SEO It isn't worth $97.00 a month. There are reasons beyond the buggy software that aren't appropriate to discuss here, but beware.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brian.expert
      Definitely SEnuke seems to be far more promising as a good team lead is always keeping it update and that truly has made it more bug free and hence more worth while for all the efforts put in.
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  • Profile picture of the author JV3STUDIO
    SEnuke is a wonderful piece of software. I really love it when software works the way it's advertised, and Senuke does that and then some. The latest upgrade is awesome. I never get bored watching the new submission window. The blinking red, blue and green...I haven't seen my wife since.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    I am using SENuke, so far so good, but you need some SEO and article skills to use it correctly...
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  • Profile picture of the author SaSeoPete
    FOr some reason it won't let me join. When I try and sign up I get Your IP is blocked???

    Has this happened to anyone else? I emailed them but have had no reply.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Russell
      Hey Pete, I sent a reply to your email this morning.


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      Originally Posted by SaSeoPete View Post

      FOr some reason it won't let me join. When I try and sign up I get Your IP is blocked???

      Has this happened to anyone else? I emailed them but have had no reply.
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    • Profile picture of the author dave147
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      • Profile picture of the author checkback
        I prefer SENuke by a long way.

        Heavy monthly fee so you can't just sit back and admire it.

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  • Profile picture of the author Preben Frenning
    I haven't used Brute SEO, but I use SeNuke, and I like it.

    I haven't used it to it's full potential yet, but I'm starting to see many different social bookamrking links showing up in the Se's now.

    However, if you go with SeNuke, remember to get uniqueness above 30%. Seriously! Taking a few minutes extra to do this can make you go from 1 to 20 pages showing up in the search engines!
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  • Profile picture of the author getmorebuyers
    Both of them are good for internet marketing savvy individuals. it does come with a learning curve for newbies.
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  • Profile picture of the author Preben Frenning
    Yeah, SeNuke is best for advanced internet marketers.
    I don't think a newbie would have any clue about what to do in the beginning.
    I have recently started using it, and I see several links to me on the first pages on google.
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  • Profile picture of the author wizlor
    Sound like SeNuke wins hands down.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    I am testing them both and the auto social, article video account creator add-on for the BF SEO package works quite well.

    Will update as I move through it.
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    • Profile picture of the author donnyh
      Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

      I am testing them both and the auto social, article video account creator add-on for the BF SEO package works quite well.

      Will update as I move through it.
      lol James I saw your location as Sydney, Australia so I got a little bit curious.

      So i dug through your posts and came across this:

      Pete by the time I got home from your place I had more $$ than when I left !
      I don't mean to spy into your personal affairs, but any chance you're Pete's friend and just trying to stick up for his product?

      Let's try and keep this as unbiased as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author askloz
    Someone doesn't agree that SENuke is good.
    SENuke - SE Nuke
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    Donny, I think looking up the background of people who post in this forum is pretty good due diligence. I have no problem with that.

    When I make posts in public I do so with full transparency.

    I first met Peter online when I noticed his blogposts in an SEO competition that we were both competing in. I have exchanged ideas and opinions with him since then and I would say we have a good friendship.

    Yes I went to his house once. I was there presenting to a group of warriors on the subject of traffic at a recent Warrior Forum get together.

    A group of warriors also went to dinner in full public view at a local restaurant.

    In this thread I have not posted a glowing testimonial, I just mentioned the auto account creator works for me since this is one of the slowest aspects of social bookmarking-creating all those accounts. When I ran the software I was delighted with the level of automation and how it can save time.

    Importantly, I am a full paying customer just like anyone else with BruteforceSEO so I feel that I am entitled to comment on my experience with the product. Peter has never asked me to comment on his product.

    So far it is working. I did mention in my review that I am comparing it back to back with SENuke and I'll be posting further comments.

    I'm not compromised by others in my opinion of products. I have personally met and travelled with many of the big name marketers and I never promote products or services that don't meet my standards.

    I checked the rules:

    2. If you post your opinion on a product it must be longer than "it sucks" or "it's great". We're looking for intelligent feedback and reasons why you feel the way you do, good or bad.

    3. Do not attack nor give your opinion about the product creator. This forum is about product reviews, not the people who create the products.

    4. In general, just use common sense and don't come in here just to bash products created by people you may not like. Again, we are looking for intelligent reviews so people can be helped in making a decision one way or the other.

    I couldn't find anything that says you can't post if you've ever met the product creator.
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  • Profile picture of the author donnyh
    Originally Posted by askloz View Post

    Someone doesn't agree that SENuke is good.
    SENuke - SE Nuke
    lol, that's your blog isn't it? If not, I don't understand why you couldn't have just put the website address here instead of adding keyword-specific anchor text to help that page rank better for the terms "SEnuke" and "SE Nuke"?

    Anyways, that blog is not important because it is attacking the concept behind any automated SEO software and the guy seems to have his own vested interest of selling an eBook or something... it really has nothing to do with comparing brute force seo with senuke.

    @James: Yea that's fine, you're still entitled to your opinion and you very well could be a genuinely nice guy trying to post an unbiased opinion. But the fact that you're Pete's friend just stood out to me so I thought I'd share that knowledge with the rest of the folks reading this, nothing personal.
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    • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
      Originally Posted by donnyh View Post

      lol, that's your blog isn't it? If not, I don't understand why you couldn't have just put the website address here instead of adding keyword-specific anchor text to help that page rank better for the terms "SEnuke" and "SE Nuke"?

      Anyways, that blog is not important because it is attacking the concept behind any automated SEO software and the guy seems to have his own vested interest of selling an eBook or something... it really has nothing to do with comparing brute force seo with senuke.

      @James: Yea that's fine, you're still entitled to your opinion and you very well could be a genuinely nice guy trying to post an unbiased opinion. But the fact that you're Pete's friend just stood out to me so I thought I'd share that knowledge with the rest of the folks reading this, nothing personal.
      When you post a web address the forum automagically converts it to SEO titles.

      I liked that SE Nuke post mentioned above because it makes a valid point. You do not need automation software to rank well. Not BFSEO or SENUKE. Also people often use very easy to rank for terms when they offer examples of SEO.

      I might know peter but we are fierce competitors on the SEO battlefield. You are wasting your time pointing out to other posters who knows who unless you do it for every contributor.

      You have 9 posts in this forum (under this name) and you could be anybody for all we know - so are you being biased? You seem to be quick to jump on anything that counters your anti-Brute stance. Who are you really?
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  • Profile picture of the author ymon
    I am using SENUKE it works perfect
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    I have compared the account creators between the two and SE Nuke is better because it verifies for you. The new BFSeo one is coming out soon - I'll compare again when it comes out.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommyp
    That's true. When you post a link it automatically anchor text links it to the title of the that page.

    That blog has no merit, because it is judging that it sucks based upon the fact that you can do the same thing by hand. Totally stupid.

    No one says you can't. Even Pete with his software says you can do it by hand, but this software makes it much easier and although I have a couple of beefs with the limitations of SENuke, overall it works quite well and save a load of time.

    By limitations I mean as one example, the random feature in SENuke. Randomization is overrated. It should be there but it should also go through your alternate titles etc., in sequence. Because, if you give it say 10 different titles to name your sites and you are doing 10 sites it may not give each a unique name but rather it very well may pick the same 2 or 3 out of the 10 titles you gave and 3 of your ten will have the exact same title,a nd another 3 and the other 4 too.

    It would be better that it went in sequence, and THEN (if you have more sites than titles) it would then pick at random. So, if you wanted and were doing 10 sites, you could just pick 10 titles and it would name each one uniquely.

    It also is anal about forcing you to put numbers in titles. Maybe it could alert you but in that sense it behaves like MS software. It should be up to the individual how they want to name their sites, etc., and be the user's responsibility.

    Apparently it also used to have the option to interlink sites and then was removed. I also think that should be back in and be up to the user whether they want to do that or not.

    I like it a lot though. And there are fixes and updates that come out regularly.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    Update - I am finding SENuke to be the most effective.
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    SENuke is the business.
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  • Profile picture of the author jinmin
    SENuke is fantastic ! Both the software and the support is far better than BFS.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    Well I took BFseo (updated version) out for a run today and it was very smooth. I like how it interlinks the different accounts together. This is more strategic than the SEnuke.

    I like them both.
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    • Profile picture of the author jrsencio
      Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

      Well I took BFseo (updated version) out for a run today and it was very smooth. I like how it interlinks the different accounts together. This is more strategic than the SEnuke.

      I like them both.
      Inter linking for me is important... this is something that I actually do manually for SE Nuke created sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
        Originally Posted by jrsencio View Post

        Inter linking for me is important... this is something that I actually do manually for SE Nuke created sites.
        Yes me too,
        I take the URL list and after I ping it I insert them with anchor text into various formats and re-submit.

        I also collect the RSS feeds and mix them and then submit the mix.
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    • Profile picture of the author AllItTakesisOne
      Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

      Well I took BFseo (updated version) out for a run today and it was very smooth. I like how it interlinks the different accounts together. This is more strategic than the SEnuke.

      I like them both.
      James or Joe- Does SEnuke have plans to add the interlinking feature?
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      • Profile picture of the author hbsjcd3
        Originally Posted by AllItTakesisOne View Post

        James or Joe- Does SEnuke have plans to add the interlinking feature?
        You can do interlinking on Senuke too. But its optional in the software.
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        • Profile picture of the author lovegen
          Will my sites get banned or sandboxed by Google if I use SENuke or BruteForce?
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          • Profile picture of the author hbsjcd3
            Originally Posted by lovegen View Post

            Will my sites get banned or sandboxed by Google if I use SENuke or BruteForce?
            No. I have 26 bogs and websites that I am promoting using BruteForce and SEnuke and not one has every been banned. There is no reason to ban since your money sites get backlinks from web 2.0 sites, which Google has no way of telling if they are yours or someone not related.

            Just to be on the safe side, though. I always run the bruteforce software and Senuke software with my laptop with a sprint aircard, which changes my IP everytime I submit to a series of sites
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            • Profile picture of the author Preben Frenning
              Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

              MMmm if i want to target a niche straight out of the box, what is the likelyhood, I'll lose out to deindexing?
              Depends on the age of domain, increase in links, content, and many things.

              I have never gotten deindexed or "sandboxed", but if you hit it too hard you might.

              If you have a new domain and a new site, I'd recommend you to start out with some social bookmarking, a few articles, and give it a steady increase.

              As long as you don't get loads of high-quality links overnight.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnSpangler
    Hi Everyone,

    Thank you very much for your reviews, I had tried BFSEO every month that the software has been rereleased and unfortunately, in my opinion, I haven't been able to get the software to work very well- for me, I contacted support almost a half a dozen times and still no word back to my questions.

    I really liked the idea and I have over 35 clients that I thought the software would do very well to rank on the search engines for the different keywords by creating this "mini network" but for me that hasn't happend. Just this last time the rerelease hit Dec 13 I believe, I joined one more time because of the rerelease and still I didn't find the software helpful for me, I also tried contacting support again letting them know I understand they may be inundated with support emails but that I had tried a half dozen times to contact them for help and they haven't replied-PLEASE RESPOND-if nothing else than to let me know you had received my support email-no response.

    Oh well- in my opinion I think they were very worried about making sure that they had an ability to shut a person's account off first and foremost who didn't pay rather than making sure the support and software were working correctly.

    I don't know Pete, I do know that he's had quite a following and I wish him the best and will believe eventually he may get the system working till them I am on the sidelines.

    I did sign up for SEO Nuke and believe that this solution has worked very well for me, the support was fast and the account creator very good as well. I'll keep you posted on the seonuke as I continue to use this software.

    James thanks for your insight as well.

    Happy Holidays everyone!!!

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
      Originally Posted by JohnSpangler View Post

      Hi Everyone,

      Thank you very much for your reviews, I had tried BFSEO every month that the software has been rereleased and unfortunately, in my opinion, I haven't been able to get the software to work very well- for me, I contacted support almost a half a dozen times and still no word back to my questions.

      I really liked the idea and I have over 35 clients that I thought the software would do very well to rank on the search engines for the different keywords by creating this "mini network" but for me that hasn't happend. Just this last time the rerelease hit Dec 13 I believe, I joined one more time because of the rerelease and still I didn't find the software helpful for me, I also tried contacting support again letting them know I understand they may be inundated with support emails but that I had tried a half dozen times to contact them for help and they haven't replied-PLEASE RESPOND-if nothing else than to let me know you had received my support email-no response.

      Oh well- in my opinion I think they were very worried about making sure that they had an ability to shut a person's account off first and foremost who didn't pay rather than making sure the support and software were working correctly.

      I don't know Pete, I do know that he's had quite a following and I wish him the best and will believe eventually he may get the system working till them I am on the sidelines.

      I did sign up for SEO Nuke and believe that this solution has worked very well for me, the support was fast and the account creator very good as well. I'll keep you posted on the seonuke as I continue to use this software.

      James thanks for your insight as well.

      Happy Holidays everyone!!!

      John
      John you will find SENUKE much easier to use and it has Kick butt features like the auto account creation and confirm built in!
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnSpangler
    Hi James,

    Thanks for the follow up, I appreciate your input.

    I look forward to using SENUke, to bad about BFSEO b/c that looked like a really nice idea, have a great holiday!!!

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author J. Barry Mandel
    I saw that on that other Blog someone gave the point of buying SEOelite for a one time fee of $167 instead of paying $97 a month for SENuke.

    Any opinions here on SEOelite VS SeNuke?
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    • Profile picture of the author Qbiz
      I cannot comment too much about Bruteforce. However, I did take up the offer for SENuke and I must say I am very impressed. I have found the software to be very intuitive and feature-rich and the support guys very responsive.
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    • Profile picture of the author Preben Frenning
      Originally Posted by Justin Mandel View Post

      I saw that on that other Blog someone gave the point of buying SEOelite for a one time fee of $167 instead of paying $97 a month for SENuke.

      Any opinions here on SEOelite VS SeNuke?
      I haven't used SEO Elite, but I own and use SeNuke.
      As for comparing the price, I'm not sure they can be compared in any way, other than being seo tools.

      SeNuke is a social submission software ( And a lot more!), but as far as I know, SEO Elite is more of an SEO optimizer.

      So SEO Elite is mostly on-page optimization, but SE Nuke is off-page.

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  • Profile picture of the author ademartin
    Just to add my 2c,

    I have used both and Peter Drew's Bruteforce SEO should still be in beta and not charging people $137 per month for what is useless software.

    SENuke is superb and issues get fixed promptly and professionally without being constantly told the stock answer, "Don't sweat it".

    Bruteforce SEO, apart from the moderator Karen and a member called Bill who are both exceedingly helpful, was an atrocious customer experience. The Bruteforce SEO sales page is something like a lawyer, full of lies and half truths. I did a blog post on the comparison between Bruteforce SEO and SENuke and it turned out so one sided it looks like I am a shareholder for SENuke LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce Hearder
    SENuke is great..

    Works very well.. Heaps better than anything else I used so far, sure beats the opposition hands down..

    Take care

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  • Profile picture of the author freudianslip27
    I've been using automated software now for 3+ years and i've never seen a team of support more dedicated to keeping SENuke running well. There are so many variables they have to deal with, and the service is top notch.

    I've used both and SENuke wipes the floor with Bruteforce, not even a contest in my opinion.

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  • Profile picture of the author tommyp
    Yea SENuke may have its quirks but so does any software of this type that needs to be updated as things change, but they have updates very often and customer service has been good in my experience. It's pretty cool. If you are making money with your promotions the monthly fee is a non issue.
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin_nzpcs
    I didn't buy Petes BFS because I have brought several of his wso via this forum before and found that a lot of the software stopped working or that the promised additions never arrived

    Google bomber
    Rss submitter

    being just a few that Crapped out the rss submitter promised to submit to 20
    sites yet last time I used it it had had only 5 working.

    I got yahoo360 submitter this worked but the formatting was awful

    I finally came up with a better solution using five programs
    Article Post Robot
    Bookmarking Demon
    Howies evil pinger
    Jonathon Leger Article Wizard Pro and auto social marker

    these combined with proxy lists have produced better results than the previous programs of petes I tried before plus they don't have the bugs

    I can't comment on Senuke never tried it but after spending close to $500 dollars to get the software I mentioned above I probably never will
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  • Profile picture of the author shorwood
    I tried Brute Force SEO and it did not work at all. I followed everything exactly, but I received no rankings whatsoever, and I was targeting low competition keywords.

    I canceled my subscription right before the trial finished. I just came across SEnuke just over a week ago, and I did the trial to see how well it worked. Like any software there are always a few bugs, and the Web 2.0 sites are always changing, so there are short periods of time when the software can't submit to a few of the sites. However, it usually has over 80% success rate, and I am usually having a 100% success rate. The support is amazing, and they are constantly adding to the software, so it is always improving. Everything it promises to do, it actually does. I am very impressed with the software.

    In the trial week I made $80 from my submissions, which almost paid for the first month, and I hadn't even paid for the software yet. If you want proof that I am impressed, you can visit the SEnuke forum. I have been active there and stated my successes.

    I have dominated the first 3 pages of Google for multiple keywords for multiple products I am promoting, and I haven't even had it for two weeks. I have been marketing very aggressively with it, and I have achieved great results.

    Here is a page with my review of it, and also the bonuses I am offering for it: SEnuke Review And Bonuses

    mick535, you have a link there that says SEnuke is a black hat software, but it's not. It is only black hat if you use it as a black hat software. It just automates tasks that you can do manually. It isn't meant as a black hat tool. (although I use it as one)
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    • Profile picture of the author hbsjcd3
      I have been a Brute Force member since it launched and although it indeed has a few bugs that annoyingly pop up all the time, the software does what it advertisers.

      I joined SENuke 3 weeks ago and must say, the software is much smoother that Brute Force and is packed with more features that make huge difference.

      In all fairness to Bruteforce's shortcomings however, SE Nuke does have a 6 month head start on the software. (Bruteforce released its software 6 months after SENUKE), so it has ahd more time to iron out the "kinks".

      Right now, SENUKE's interface is much more professionally looking, has much crisper execution and is less buggy that Bruteforce. Bruteforce however, has a much better tool for keyword research, called "My GoldTracker" which to me, pays for the membership alone. Its and awesome tool that saves a heap of time in finding worthwhile niches to target.

      However, since I have 27 blogs and 16 websites running that are making me money, I can afford to get BOTH services, simply because, the sites that they submit to, are different. So in my linking strategy I use both software programs to complement each other, by spending an extra hour or so after each "group" submission to interlink the group of sites from both programs together, thereby, giving all sites in both programs awesome link juice to start.

      However, if I were new to this and wanted the best software and didn't have that much money to blow, I would choose:

      1) One of Peter Drew's ebooks that explain very well his Web 2.0 interlinking strategy

      then

      2) I would join the SENUKE program to start..... then once I get the full feel for SEnuke and its capabilities, and most importantly, making at least $1000/month......I would then invest some of that money in

      3) BRUTEFORCE SEO

      In summary,

      I think both software programs are complimentary and one should not use one over the other. If you are already making a decent income, you should employ both of these SEO domination tools, SENUKE and Bruteforce.

      However, I you are just starting and can't afford to lose money while you get your "feet wet" , the SENUKE should be the first program membership to join, once you get Peter Drew's ebooks.
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  • Profile picture of the author shorwood
    You say that SEnuke has a 6 month head start, but on Brute Force SEO's sales page they state that:

    "This software is the culmination of over Three YEARS of R & D, and has been worked on by a team of Two Master's Degree level and Two PHD level programmers."

    So they have been working on it for longer than SEnuke, and they are saying that it should basically be perfect, which it isn't. From what they say on their sales page it shouldn't have hardly any bugs whatsoever, but it does, and it has more than SEnuke.

    When I used Brute Force SEO I didn't see any results whatsoever, however when I tried SEnuke I made $100 my first week of submissions. I tried BFSEO about a month ago, so it has probably improved since then, but I am going to wait a while before I bother trying it again, especially since SEnuke keeps adding more features.

    And they do overlap to what they submit to, so they are not completely separate, however I may end up trying out Brute Force SEO again in a month or so.

    I am not trying to put down Brute Force SEO, but I just didn't get any results when I tried it.
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    • Profile picture of the author hbsjcd3
      Originally Posted by shorwood View Post

      You say that SEnuke has a 6 month head start, but on Brute Force SEO's sales page they state that:

      "This software is the culmination of over Three YEARS of R & D, and has been worked on by a team of Two Master's Degree level and Two PHD level programmers."

      So they have been working on it for longer than SEnuke, and they are saying that it should basically be perfect, which it isn't. From what they say on their sales page it shouldn't have hardly any bugs whatsoever, but it does, and it has more than SEnuke.
      Well, thats true, but nothing replaces the real-world testing of over 800-900 customers using the software on a daily basis. All software companies, routinely work for years on ideas and programs, but its not until the software is released into the real world, that they can perfect the product and iron out the kinks that will work in all environments, all browsers, all platforms and all types software that already exist in computers.

      Like I said SEnuke is better for a variety reasons, already mentioned right now. But if you already make a decent income online, I would get both...its just me. I like to dominate my niche markets
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  • Profile picture of the author shorwood
    I do as well. I have starting to dominate the niche markets I am in, but I am also fairly new to internet marketing, and I am achieving good results with SEnuke, so I am going to stick with it for now.

    Like I said, in a month or so I will try Brute Force SEO again and then hopefully they will have worked out even more of the bugs and it will be even more effective for me. Until then, I am going to stick with SEnuke, as it has done well for me so far.
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    Great posts! My mind is made up - Thanks for the good information and honest opinions!
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    • Profile picture of the author saulyd
      Thanks everyone for your input, Im off to get my trial!

      Cheers!
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
          Anyone that has not tried the latest version of SENUKE should do so...the program now is simply amazing.
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          • Profile picture of the author KentuckyJeff
            I too thought SENUKE (haven't tried BFSEO) was a great program, and that was a good while ago, before some of the new, impressive changes were made to the software.

            However, just like 'oneup', I can't handle the recurring fee. I realize for all of the ongoing work that has to be done to keep it doing what it does, and for the new features, it's maybe worth it, but I'll have to admire it from afar.

            I sure wish either or both programs could be offered as a one-time payment, even if it was a bit more.
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          • Profile picture of the author BertTassoni
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            Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

            Anyone that has not tried the latest version of SENUKE should do so...the program now is simply amazing.
            I tend to agree. The current version leaves BFSEO for dead! I am using both extensively. I only hope that the new version of BFSEO, being EVO2 comes out quickly.
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      • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
        I got the free 7-day trial of Brute Force SEO yesterday and started using it this morning.

        I'm also an SENuke user. I think I'm going to end up using BOTH.

        I took Brute Force up on their one time offer to get 2 years for about a grand. That's just over $40 a month. Plus I pay about $100 a month for SENuke.

        My plan, at this point, is to use Brute Force SEO first to quickly get backlinks to my money site with my main keyword. Brute force suggests using unspun articles they provide, so this is a quick way to get my first backlinks while I work on writting and spinning articles for SENuke.

        Next, I'll use SENuke to get a second set of backlinks perhaps a week later. With SENuke, I'll use my spun articles and do deeper linking with additional keyphrases. And of course a whole new set of accounts.

        My third wave will probably be back to Brute Force SEO for video links back to my money site.

        I figure it can only help to have a more diverse selection of sources for backlinks. Bruteforce currently has about 50 high PR sites that SENuke doesn't have. Plus it looks like they have better coverage of video sites.

        Any thoughts on this dual SENuke/Brute Force strategy?

        By the way, it only took an hour to set up the main accounts from email creation, to accounts creation, to email verification. I watched it do it's thing and entered the CAPTCHA as they came up. The CAPTCHA part was only about 23 minutes. Very little effort and real fast!

        If you want to check out the seven day trial, my affiliate link is below in my signature. I think it's worth at least checking out...

        (Are we allowed to have affiliate links in our signature? I didn't find anything against it in the Warrior Forum FAQ or Help section.)
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          (Are we allowed to have affiliate links in our signature? I didn't find anything against it in the Warrior Forum FAQ or Help section.)
          You'll find out soon I'm sure, lol. It's only a matter of time before one of the sig nazis rolls by.
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      • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
        I have both SENuke and Evo II. Certainly so far SENuke is superior, IMHO, but I will wait out until my Brute Force Seo membership runs out (in a couple of weeks for a better judgment).

        I really like the profile backlink concept (to sites that are actually dofollow) in Evo II, but it is definitely very buggy, and the fact that it doesn't tell you what it has done (unless you go to completion), really P*sses me off.

        SENuke tells you what it has done and hasn't done at various points.

        In addition, the support/mods over at Brute Force SEO forums are really really bad, IMHO.

        They currently have it set up for 47 profile backlink sites (all high quality Angela type sites). Obviously not all of them are going to work, as this is all 100% automated.

        Well, the matermind behind Brute Force SEO /EVO, Peter Drew, posted earlier today that his latest run he got 37 successful profile backlinks. I have run the software 6 times. 1 time it crashed and didn't complete (don't know what happened as there was no report), the other 5 times ranged from 16 on the lowend to 25 on the high end.

        Anyways, I posted a very constructive reply like: "Evo II so far looks very promising. I see that Peter got 37 successful profile backlinks, but I am only getting 16-25 on each run. What should I be doing to maximize my success rate?"

        Here is the breakdown of the reply by the moderator:

        Mod: Evo II is awesome, it would take you so long on your own to do all of this stuff.

        Me: I understand, but please tell me what I can do to maximize and get more than an average of 21 successful profile links.

        Mod: Evo II is awesome, you should be grateful for it.


        I'm not sure how i'm supposed to take this other than avoiding my darn question. Their support/mods could take a lesson from the SENuke folks.

        In addition, every single time anyone questions about why something is not working or why it takes longer than it should (expecially with respect to the captcha solving), the default answer is "Evo is god, the problem lies with your computer."


        Originally Posted by saulyd View Post

        Thanks everyone for your input, Im off to get my trial!

        Cheers!
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      • Profile picture of the author robp234
        I have tried both and SEOnuke is by far the best. Much easier to use and I saw better results. I'm pretty sure it's cheaper too!
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  • Profile picture of the author 1nternetMarketer
    SENuke FTW! SENuke is less buggy plus the web20 sites it builds pages on are great. For BF, it creates pages on Geocities and just a handful of others.

    Also, you can't get yourself off of Pete Drew's mailing list once you're on it because he doesn't include an Unsubcribe link! Is that even legal? Since he's in Australia, maybe Spam laws are different

    He shouldn't make people email him personally to unsubcribe. Unsubscribing from someone's list should be as easy as possible.
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    • Profile picture of the author hbsjcd3
      Originally Posted by 1nternetMarketer View Post

      SENuke FTW! SENuke is less buggy plus the web20 sites it builds pages on are great. For BF, it creates pages on Geocities and just a handful of others.

      Also, you can't get yourself off of Pete Drew's mailing list once you're on it because he doesn't include an Unsubcribe link! Is that even legal? Since he's in Australia, maybe Spam laws are different

      He shouldn't make people email him personally to unsubcribe. Unsubscribing from someone's list should be as easy as possible.

      Just continue to send him requests to unsubscribe. Or Remove. He has been very busy with some new additions to Brute Force lately, so maybe that why he has not responded.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nathan Hangen
        I have SENuke too, and although I like the product, I am still not convinced that it can actually increase sales. I've also submitted a help desk ticket that has not been responded to.
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        • Profile picture of the author shorwood
          Originally Posted by Nathan Hangen View Post

          I have SENuke too, and although I like the product, I am still not convinced that it can actually increase sales. I've also submitted a help desk ticket that has not been responded to.
          SEnuke is meant to automate the tasks that you already do, therefore saving you time and allowing you to get more done in the same amount of time. It is not the software's job to increase sales, that is up to you. It is all about how you use the software. If you aren't doing the process right, then your sales will not increase.

          I will admit that their help desk has been a little bit slow to respond lately from what I have heard. There are a lot of people saying they submitted tickets and have not received responses immediately. When I sent in a ticket it took a few days for them to respond.

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          • Profile picture of the author Joe Russell
            Hey guys, just wanted to respond to the help desk issue.

            Because of our recent price increase we have an unusally high amount of support tickets being placed through our help desk. We always try to answer all tickets sent through our help desk within 24 to 48 hours.

            If you need support or have questions please submit the ticket through our help desk for a faster response. We do not ignore emails its just that we do not check those email accounts as often as we check the support desk.

            There is also the issue with members not receiving our replies. We currently have two support issues that have been repeatedly answered but yet those who submitted the tickets are not receiving our replies and keep submitting support tickets.

            If all else fails you can PM me here but I cant guarantee a turnaround time because I do not login to the WF everyday.

            Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author jjcali
    How does SENuke and BruteForce SEO compare to SEOmoz's PRO membership?
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryT
    Senuke is great and these guys provide fantastc support

    BruteForce, first pissed off Peter customers by sending misguiding email about a 1$ offer that was just a way to join the affiliate program

    and when released was more a way to lose time than to earn , doesn't justify the price

    overhyped as didn't deliver the promise for me and i really tried to make it work

    If you put a week-end to learn all the things you can do with Senuke, you have a great leverage.

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  • Profile picture of the author KentuckyJeff
    Thanks for some great reviews. This one was a no-brainer, just signed up for SEnuke!
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    • Profile picture of the author hbsjcd3
      Originally Posted by KentuckyJeff View Post

      Thanks for some great reviews. This one was a no-brainer, just signed up for SEnuke!
      Be patient with it too. Both SENuke and Bruteforce, require a short "learning curve" to master....so be prepared for crappy results in the beginning, until you develop your own style on how it works for you.

      good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    I have found that I can get a quicker response by posting in the forum as opposed to filling out a help desk ticket.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kang
    I'm using Brute Force SEO and stumbled upon this thread as I was
    looking for information on comparisons.

    Seems like an overwhelming majority here votes for SENuke; I had
    a horrible time during the first 2 months of BFS as well but it's
    working fine for me now.

    I am considering switching to SENuke (as it's cheaper) or getting
    both, and am curious about folks who have experience with using
    both; as in, using both for the same sites.

    Do you get good results?
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    • Profile picture of the author hbsjcd3
      Originally Posted by kangwei View Post

      I'm using Brute Force SEO and stumbled upon this thread as I was
      looking for information on comparisons.

      Seems like an overwhelming majority here votes for SENuke; I had
      a horrible time during the first 2 months of BFS as well but it's
      working fine for me now.

      I am considering switching to SENuke (as it's cheaper) or getting
      both, and am curious about folks who have experience with using
      both; as in, using both for the same sites.

      Do you get good results?
      I would say both are complimentary right now, the only 2 sites that overlap is Blogger and WP.com..... as far as site construction on those 2 sites, there is no difference in the softwares. I used to think SEnuke was better than BF, but now I would say it is a dead heat between both of them.

      BF has pretty much cleaned up its software code and is now clean, and virtually 100% bug-free as is SE Nuke.

      SE Nuke provides some neat tools such as the a tool that provides the probability of dominating a keyword phrase niche, before you embark on the web2.0 building campaign, and BF has an awesome keyword research tool called Golddigger, that is the best I have seen....it is such a time saver when doing keyword research....I am addicted to it!

      As far as speed of submission and construction of the web of sites, they are both "currently" even. The only thing that may make SENUKe a tad bit better, is that SEnuke has its own Video directory submission module, that submits to mostly "do-follow" video directories, whereby, BF relies on a third party submission service ( Heyspread) that has mostly all "no follow", which to me, are worthless. I use SEnuke's video submission module for all my video directory submissions, including my BF campaigns.

      Also, SENuke's social bookmarking submission, you can "spin" the title and descriptions, wereas, BF's social bookmarking submission does not have that feature, at least not yet.

      So, in summary, neither service really competes "head to head" with each other, instead the are very complementary in everything they do, that why I have both.

      That is pretty much it...hope this helped.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbessling
    I was thinking about getting Brute Force SEO since the new version has been released. Does anoyone have a review on the latest version?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kuma
      After having paid a lot of money for Brute Force SEO for many months and being plagued with too many software updates (including 3.15 which I don´t think was such an improvement-) and things that did not work I finally was fed up and tried SENuke. I liked the systematic no-hpye approach of SENuke and I cancelled BFSEO.
      Pete has opened the doors again and is selling BFSEO for $147 month (after the $1 trial) which I think is way too expensive.
      In my opinion SENuke is much better and works much more smoothly.
      As a new completely overhauled version of SENuke will be available in 2 or 3 months I decided to buy Big Mike´s RSS Bot and Social Bot for a ridiculously low price (WSO !).These 2 packages work wonder and are so easy to use. What I still need is a good article submission software that is reasonably priced. I have also made a decision not to buy monthly subscription offers if they are not beyond doubt - you end up co-financing the software development before you realize.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryT
    ***Updated after this week-end suffering*****

    Hi Warriors

    here is my experience with these great tools

    they are both great tools to automate your business

    BUT, they can be counter productive if you don't have a clear plan and follow some rules

    if you acquire them for a miracle push button, you may start to submit like a mad PLR all around. And that's the worst way to use these tools

    Rating:
    i rate SENUKE 9/10 for the results
    I rate bruteforceseo 3/10 as just was unable to use it, account creation and twitter just never worked. and the tutorials videos are just useless small talk of Peter

    cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author revpl2
    SENuke it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryT
    sorry to say that, but it just after buying 50 software, that only 5 work; you start to become really cautious about the next big things

    I have joined and unsubscribed after testing the last bruteforceseo

    the videos are useless, and the software are too buggy so far
    it does not command a price of 147$/month for no results...worst just lost hours trying to use it, and the videos are really unprofessional.
    Peter was more concerned to send tons of emails to promote and he made good cash but poor work on the tutorials side
    really disappointed, as i tried to use it

    use Senuke, it's much more professional with a real support and real tutorials
    I have to say Thumbs up to the guys of Senuke, as they have created a really amazing piece of software.

    my 2 cents
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  • Profile picture of the author rhab
    It's been a while since using senuke myself. I've considered it again most recently simply to speed up the web 2.0 side of my campaigns and I'm ramping up my video submission now. Generally I don't like programs that automate my account process and create sites.

    One thing I'm wondering if a current user could answer for me, does senuke still create accounts with numbers in them? That always really bothered me for some reason, it just screams of automation.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ghostinthemachine
      hbsjcd3 has some really great advice. I currently use neither, but plan to at some point, after I streamline what I have.

      I never knew that about using a Sprint card changing you IP address every time automatically... does that work for all cell phone/wireless internet carriers?
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      • Profile picture of the author reapr
        Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine View Post

        hbsjcd3 has some really great advice. I currently use neither, but plan to at some point, after I streamline what I have.

        I never knew that about using a Sprint card changing you IP address every time automatically... does that work for all cell phone/wireless internet carriers?
        Proxy comes to mind here. Its free. Did I miss something?
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  • Profile picture of the author patchman
    SE Nuke is freakin awesome!! THis is the only tool I use for my Internet marketing and encompasses everything I do in my campaigns. Its certainly cut down my work time 90%. I definately recommend this software to any one!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sam101
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    Pardon my very basic and maybe stupid question here, but what does SENuke really do? Is it similar to BookMarking Demon and those kinds of automated social bookmarking thingies? Or is it something different and/or more?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Alexander
    are you asking if leaving a big old footprint hurts? Because senuke is VERY careful not to leave any prints.
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  • Profile picture of the author INFOSEEKER-2009
    From all of these reviews ... Senuke .. Hands Down !!!

    Thanx !
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
    The monthly fee is stiff, but if you practice using it, you should be able to make the recurring payment in a day...
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Tan
    All the way, SENUKE!

    This software is ultimately neat. Creates account on the fly, including account creation for 4 emails (your choice), then the Web 2.0 sites, video sites, bookmarking sites and RSS sites.

    I create a new set of Web 2.0 sites everyday. You don't need to create too many bookmarking sites, few profiles are enough to work for few weeks. On RSS, about 2 to 3 is enough as only 3 sites need login, the rest are free submit.

    I like the keyword research tool inside, coupled with Google Adwords Tool and the batch research tool, I can easily find easy keywords to target. I am actually using SENUKE's keyword tool to do my Sniper sites!

    Further, SENUKE can submit your Web 2.0 sites in as many threads as your PC can handle. I just got a new laptop, so now I can open 15 submitters and let them work all at the same time! Within minutes, I can complete a full nuking, including social bookmarking and RSS nuking! This is one of the most important feature every program must have, multi-threading!

    The updates are frequent. It has a built-in bug/not-working report tool, just key in your problem and submit. You will most likely see a fix on the next update. This kind of support is really the success of SENUKE!

    I am 4 months into SeNuke already. I agree, you need the right skill and mindset to success with SeNuke, just like every other tool.

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  • Profile picture of the author BertTassoni
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    I have been using both SEnuke and BFSEO extensively for almost two months now. Yes, I prefer SEnuke over BFSEO because it looks better, it is more SEO friendly and the latest version has a whopping 490 sites in its Web2.0 Profile Nuke versus BFSEO's 100 sites in Linking Loophole.

    But, guess what? I have had enormous success with BFSEO and LL getting dozens of KWs (some very difficult one's) to first spot or first page of Google. To-date I have not achieved a single result with SEnuke. This baffles me as I would expect far better results with SEnuke. Instead nada.

    The only thing I can think of is that SEnuke is used by far more IM's than BFSEO and the sites are extensively spammed causing many of the SEnuke sites to fight back.
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  • Profile picture of the author Boda Media
    I use SEnuke on a daily basis,, and it works.. if it works and I get higher rankings and make more money.. then I am happy to pay

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    I am interested to see what happens with BFSEO EVO2 but we will have to wait and see that is for sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author jjcali
    What do you find is the best feature of SENuke? Does anyone find the link wheel strategy helpful?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ray Erdmann
      As someone who has been considering using SENuke as a tool to use in my IM business, I'm at their 7-day free trial page and I have one quick question about it.

      I'm currently in the process of switching banks, and because of this, I've not yet received my new debit/visa card and the account linked to my PayPal account will be closed down shortly. Seeing as they say you don't pay for the 1st 7 days...would anyone for see any problems if I just go ahead and sign up and not worry about the bank account situation as long as I cancel w/in the 7-day grace period...or would it just be better if I just wait till I get my new bank card in the mail?
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      • Profile picture of the author daria19
        I for one, am waiting to try out the new BruteForceSEO Evo II...(using Linking Loophole right now)

        I will pass judgement once I am able to get my hands on it!
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  • Profile picture of the author broker12
    It seems that if the new bruteforceseo evo II delivers on all the promises it will bring it closer to senuke. Senuke may still have some features that evo II does not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by broker12 View Post

      It seems that if the new bruteforceseo evo II delivers on all the promises it will bring it closer to senuke. Senuke may still have some features that evo II does not.

      Yeah, it seems as though EVOII is implementing some of the things that SENUKE already has in place which will bring it closer.

      BUT

      SENUKE is going through an overhaul as well so, at least in my opinion, the rest of the pack will still be chasing SENUKE.

      I'm definitely going to try EVO out, because I like to try all the new stuff that comes out, but SENUKE the software as well as the support that AReeb offers, is damn near unbeatable, in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author HospitalD
    I just came off my free trial for SENuke...I believe that it would be more cost effective to buy various flat rate software packages instead of over $100/month recurring. However, if you are making $500+ a month with IM, I can see the cost justification to have everything there at once.
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    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
      They seem to have just released the "vip" purchase period for the all new singing and dancing version of Bruteforce, be interested to hear people's thoughts who have a play with it.
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      • Profile picture of the author salegurus
        Just signed up to BF EVOII
        Will give it a go
        My first observation it's $30pm more than SE Nuke, may be priced to high.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cyrious
    I'm trying BF EVO 2 as well. I've put the link in my sig file but I haven't really tested it at this stage. Some of the ancilliary software that comes with the membership I have been using for a couple of weeks and do like - but I dont use SE Nuke so can't compare.
    We will see.
    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Aditya K
    I have used SENuke, and am quite happy with it. My friend used Brute Force, and he discontinued after a week and switched over to senuke, so I got the answer!
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    • Profile picture of the author simonjwarner
      I've been using Evo for about 2 hrs so far and it looks pretty cool so far....

      Nice and easy, couldn't get it to load at first, but support got back to me in 10 mins which impressed me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        I picked up EVO about an hour and a half ago.

        The Good:

        The interface is WAYYYYYYYY better than it was before
        The software is easier to operate
        It is laid out in a way that makes sense
        It appears to be alot less buggy than my previous experiences.

        The Not So Good:

        It is still not 100% automated - You still have to jot down email addresses and passwords for some things to enter into other fields. Some might say this isn't a big deal, but for $157 a month it should do this.

        Account creation is a bit slow - Some of my bookmarking accounts took 3 or 4 minutes for the captcha to be filled out. To create the 8 or so bookmarking accounts my total time was almost 20 minutes.

        That is about it for now - I'll update more as I dig into it deeper.

        EDIT: On the good side - I really like the way it does the auto email confirms without having to do anything else.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Bruno
    Still trying it out.

    So far I really like how nicely laid out the interace is and how quick it can create an e-mail account and password for the account creation.

    First It automatically creates an e-mail account and password to use for your account creation.(within seconds) Then you can select which accounts you would like the software to create.

    Video sites, article sites (including EZA), bookmarking,rss feeds,etc.

    Then it goes to work on creating those accounts.

    When I first ran the account creation it seemed to stall out for long periods of times on some captcha solving in the beginning. It got stuck on one site so I tried to enter captcha myself and it froze the program. So I had to restart program. Luckily it lets you save your project file to load again.

    Now I'm just letting it run throuhg all the account creation without any intervention just to see how it handles everything on its own.

    It seems to be going through all the sites. I will have to wait and see how many sites it created successful accounts for. Its suppose to verify the accounts that go to your e-mail.

    I will have to check and see when the dust settles on the account creation to see whats going on.

    Then I guess move on to next step which is loading content to have EVO put it up on the sites.

    I guess what your suppose to do with the videos sharing sites is to upload one video to youtube (which it does not create an account for) then the software pulls that video from youtube using its url to use in HeySpread to upload your video to the other video sharing sites.

    Again have not got to the content part yet. Still creating accounts stage.

    I like the idea and concept of EVO2.

    I really hope that everything contineus to run smooth.

    EDIT: WOW sweet after all the account creation. A small window pops up and tells me that it is checking e-mail. Now I get to watch the software login to my newly create yahoo e-mail account and verify all the accounts it just created for the content sites. I see 24 e-mails in there.And more are showing up as the software verifys each account.

    EDIT: Ok the dust has settled on the account creation.

    Heres the breakdown of my account creation. Your results may be different but these are mine...


    1) Out of 5 possbile feed sites it created 4 accounts

    2) Out of 9 possbile article sites it created 2 accounts (not happy with this)
    I elected to exclude EZA (Edit: just found out bharatbhasha has stopped allowing submissions from everybody)

    3) Out of 13 possbile social sites it created 11 accounts

    4) Out of 11 possbile video sites it created 9 accounts (they tell you in .pdf that revver might be problem- which it was) Youtube is not included in account creation

    5) Out of 1 possbile tools sites(rss site) it created 1 accounts

    Frank Bruno
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    • Profile picture of the author graphicsgenie
      I've been involved with the launch of Brute Force, aint EVO a cute little guy

      A graphics Genie creation....

      Would love to hear more thoughts

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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Update: I just ran the Loophole portion of it...

        Again, the acct creation was kind of slow which typically isn't a big deal, but from what I understand you have to leave the window up and your computer idle while it solves captchas etc...so, I'm running EVO on a separate box.

        After it created all the accounts, the software attempted to log into the gmail account it created, but the gmail account was already disabled

        So, I'm going to see if there is a way to set it up with a catch-all so I don't have to worry about that...either that or buy some gmail accounts

        So far, I'm impressed with the look and layout...but, concerned with the speed. I'm going to read back through the documentation to make sure I'm doing everything right and then give it another go
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        • Profile picture of the author Frank Bruno
          Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

          Again, the acct creation was kind of slow which typically isn't a big deal, but from what I understand you have to leave the window up and your computer idle while it solves captchas etc...so, I'm running EVO on a separate box.
          Thats what I did the second time and seemed to work.

          One thing I did notice is that on the article sites it created accounts for it only listed 2 sites that had successfuly created accounts for in the software.

          However when I go to those sites I can login, so the accounts have been created they are just not showing in the softwar that the accounts were created.

          Well actually I'm still going down the list. And so far Article Alley I found this so far.

          Frank Bruno
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  • Profile picture of the author simonjwarner
    My girlfriend seems to think that EVO is a real robot that does all the work for me...AWWW Bless
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Bruno
    Just found out bharatbhasha has stopped allowing submissions from everybody.

    also EAsyarticles blocking submisisons.

    So they need to remove these sites from the software

    Frank Bruno
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Bruno
    EVO2-

    Most if not all the article accounts were indeed created and setup.
    Its just that most of them were not showing on the right of each article directory in the sofware.

    What I recommend to do until admins of EVO2 can resolve is to try to login to each site that is not showing as successully created on left. You may find that indeed the accounts were created.

    Then just copy and paste your user/pass from one of the others accounts since they are all the same.

    Now need to move on to test the rest of the software

    Frank Bruno

    Thanks
    Frank Bruno
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      OK.
      So i have been busy with BF EVO2 for about 4 hours now.
      The interface is clean easy to use.
      The registration process is a bit tedious with Captha's taking a bit of time to solve.
      Setting up Articles and RSS function also quite easy.
      Submission shows quite a few failures, the Gmail account created by BF EVO has already been disabled, cannot verify accounts.
      (You can buy Gmail accounts, but at $157 pm i don't expect to)

      Support
      I can't gain access to Forum as the password that was emailed to me does not work?
      Logged a ticket with support 5 hours ago no reply? (Maybe time dif between Aus and USA)

      Positives
      Clean
      Easy to work with
      90% automated

      Negs
      Price $157pm
      Slow Support
      Automated Email accounts useless, Disabled within 30mins by Google
      Time taken to submit two URL's start to finish 5 Hours

      All submissions still have to be verified manually to get a clear picture of how well BF performs.

      It's early stages and maybe once all the bugs are ironed out, and they figure out how to give support on USA time BF may compete, but as of now SE NUKE is the clear winner.
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      • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
        Good feedback from everybody, keep it coming as your tests progress, very helpful to see a growing picture of the pros and cons so far.
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Originally Posted by salegurus View Post


        Support
        I can't gain access to Forum as the password that was emailed to me does not work?
        Logged a ticket with support 5 hours ago no reply? (Maybe time dif between Aus and USA)
        Same problem here, only I can't even submit a support ticket because you have to register first, and to register you have to fill out a CAPTCHA, which isn't working. It keeps telling me I've entered the wrong CAPTCHA, when I can see clearly that I haven't.

        Oh, my gmail account was nuked immediately too. Not sure why they would even use gmail considering the need for a cell phone number. Surely that would have been a red flag.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Bruno
    Interesting you mention that you can't get into the EVO2 forum as Pete just responded to a post that I made a few minutes ago and didn't even ask him a question ,I just posted my feedback and he gave a suggestion.

    I also got a warm welcome over there from other forum contributers and my name was not even shown in the forum. It was under a different username.

    Yahoo e-mail works like a charm. Not sure how they work the yahoo or gmail and who gets them and if they are rotated,etc. behind the scenes or if its rotated within the software

    Frank Bruno
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  • Profile picture of the author JeffLam
    Guys,

    Sorry to interrupt here.

    But I really just want to let the cat out of the bag here.

    I'm currently also developing something similar that will compete with the best of the best tools.

    Aptly titled, SEOmated. Check my sig.

    Listening to Feedback is the most important thing any businessman can have.

    As such, please leave as much feedback as possible in this thread.

    Remember, a free market only benefits the consumers!

    Just to let you guys know: Yes, I hear and understand the same old cries of the users of such software ..

    ..not to forget that I was the user before.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Koltai
      Originally Posted by JeffLam View Post

      Guys,

      Sorry to interrupt here.

      But I really just want to let the cat out of the bag here.

      I'm currently also developing something similar that will compete with the best of the best tools.

      Aptly titled, SEOmated. Check my sig.

      Listening to Feedback is the most important thing any businessman can have.

      As such, please leave as much feedback as possible in this thread.

      Remember, a free market only benefits the consumers!

      Just to let you guys know: Yes, I hear and understand the same old cries of the users of such software ..

      ..not to forget that I was the user before.
      Hi Jeff! Stoked to hear that you're developing an automation tool, I just popped over to your SEOmated site and it sounds great. If you can provide equal or better service to SENuke and match their update frequency, you should be able to crush it as long as your pricing is competitive.

      SENuke has been my favorite IM tool for the past year or so, but lately it seems like only about 25-30% of the sites actually work, and their captcha service has been less than reliable over the last month or so.

      On that note, I'm trying BFSEO EVO II at the moment. Right now I'm going through the account creation and I'm feeling like the price is a bit high. The captcha service is blowing through the "Retries" in 5 seconds each, I'm guessing either everyone has gone home for the evening or they're swamped, but either way, when it's advertised as "total automation", it's disappointing. As a former customer of BF LLH, it's pretty unexpected, as issues with that particular piece of software were few and far between.

      If you're looking for user feedback to channel into your own product, here's my 2 cents. Focus on customer service and providing quality above anything else. I'd rather have a piece of software with 10 sites in each section that works close to 100% of the time than one with 40 sites that works 50% of the time. The frustration is simply not worth the "chance" of having everything work IMO.

      Oh, and if you provide a captcha breaking service, make sure it's a good one. There are few things more irritating in my site-promoting process than setting up a piece of "fully automated" software to create accounts, going and getting some housework done, and coming back to see it stuck on the first site telling me to manually enter the captcha. Awesome.

      Oh, and to keep this on topic, for account creation, SENuke is winning by a landslide at the moment in both the speed and reliability categories. We'll see how the posting features work.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Koltai
        UPDATE: Account creation finished. It goes back to the gmail account which, unsurprisingly, has been nuked. As a gesture of good faith, I do the whole SMS verification thing. After I entered my verification code, it closes the window. So much for verifying the emails. Roughly an hour wasted there.

        Just as a test, I decided to go through the main process. I ended up quitting about halfway through. It's just too slow. I'm running it on a dedicated system and it's taking longer than it would just take me to go to the site and use Roboform to signup.

        I'm sure there are going to be people saying "It's a launch, he's giving out 5000 trials, of course its slow!" to which I would like to preemptively respond with "Yes, but this is the trial that people are going to use to decide whether or not to pay for the software. If your free trial makes the software look bad, it's not going to convert."

        It's launch day, so I'll give it a try tomorrow or the next day and see if it's improved any, but as of right now, things aren't looking good.
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Originally Posted by Chris Koltai View Post

        Hi Jeff!

        Oh, and if you provide a captcha breaking service, make sure it's a good one. There are few things more irritating in my site-promoting process than setting up a piece of "fully automated" software to create accounts, going and getting some housework done, and coming back to see it stuck on the first site telling me to manually enter the captcha. Awesome.
        Bingo. I just finished running the account creator, and I had to enter the captchas manually on most of them. At one point it was at least 7 straight. This was after letting the software run for an hour while I was doing stuff in another room. So much for being "Free to walk away from your desk secure in the knowledge that EVO's got it handled... To go and play with your kids... Walk with your partner on a beach... Or just loaf...", lol.

        I can see the potential here, but if this isn't worked out by day 7, I won't be staying on.

        EDIT

        Just to add, the content posting, linking, and the second set of email confirmations is working brilliantly so far. If they get the captcha part, and the hands-off "automation" part straightened out, this will be a nifty little piece of software.
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Koltai
          Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

          Bingo. I just finished running the account creator, and I had to enter the captchas manually on most of them. At one point it was at least 7 straight. This was after letting the software run for an hour while I was doing stuff in another room. So much for being "Free to walk away from your desk secure in the knowledge that EVO's got it handled... To go and play with your kids... Walk with your partner on a beach... Or just loaf...", lol.

          I can see the potential here, but if this isn't worked out by day 7, I won't be staying on.

          EDIT

          Just to add, the content posting, linking, and the second set of email confirmations is working brilliantly so far. If they get the captcha part, and the hands-off "automation" part straightened out, this will be a nifty little piece of software.
          Yeah, agreed. Count yourself lucky that you only had to enter 7, I had to enter every single one :p

          As it stands right now, if Pete wants to justify the higher price tag, he's going to have to outperform SENuke, especially with SENuke X coming out in a few months promising all sorts of improvements.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
            Originally Posted by Chris Koltai View Post

            Yeah, agreed. Count yourself lucky that you only had to enter 7, I had to enter every single one :p

            As it stands right now, if Pete wants to justify the higher price tag, he's going to have to outperform SENuke, especially with SENuke X coming out in a few months promising all sorts of improvements.
            Same here - I was entering captchas through the entire account creation process...The software would eventually solve them but in many cases it would take 3 minutes+ to enter one captcha.

            I think I'll keep my subscription to see EVOII progress as it looks like Pete is on the right track - But, my goto tool will still be SENUKE for the time being, especially with the upgrade coming. Areeb has been very good at giving his users exactly what they want and I'm sure the update will be more than impressive.
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            • Profile picture of the author abs007
              Hi Ive had the evo 2 software since yesterday the launch day - Im on my 3rd run now.

              a full run normally takes about 5 hours but once you have your static accounts created then the run takes about 2.5 hours or so.

              The captcha solving is very poor - it allows 10 attempts to solve the captcha with each attempt allowing 60 secs so it can take upto 10 mins to solve - On many occasions I need to enter the captcha manually. I would also expect better captcha solving for the price of the software.

              The software runs extremely well in the 2nd and 3rd phase of the automation - The 2nd phase is the auto email confirmation and the 3rd is the posting of the links - There is nothing I can fault here.

              You can run the software in its entirety or select which modules you would like to run - Im a little confused as to where I can find the bookmarking urls and the article directory urls - I think I need to send a support ticket regarding this.

              The software creates a rss feed for all of the backlinks it creates so backlinks will be pointed to your backlinks that point to the money site giving them more value - I thought this was one of the best parts of the software.

              I will continue to use it for the 7 days and see how it go's.

              I have used senuke before and thought it was very easy to use - its certainly quicker to set up accounts and the support is fantastic.

              Evo 2 is heading in the right direction and is only in its early stages. I love the linking loophole software and may not be a payed member for the evo 2 software but will certainly continue with the linking loophole subscription.

              Jeff I cant wait till you launch your seomated software - its sounds great and I will certainly try it out
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              • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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                Originally Posted by abs007 View Post

                I think I need to send a support ticket regarding this.
                Good luck with that. You need to register to send a ticket, but you can't register because his captcha(for me at least) keeps saying "invalid captcha entered".
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            • Profile picture of the author JohnS
              Also currently trying EVOII. I'm having the same problem with the gmail account being disabled. After I reactivated it, there was no way to tell the software to pick up where it left off, so I ended up having to manually approve all the static accounts.

              Also having the captcha issues. Not only does it take several minutes per captcha, when I leave the computer for any length of time and come back, it is invariably stuck on a reCAPTCHA window, prompting me to manually enter. I didn't think the product would require so much babysitting.
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              • Profile picture of the author JeffLam
                Originally Posted by Chris Koltai View Post

                Hi Jeff! Stoked to hear that you're developing an automation tool, I just popped over to your SEOmated site and it sounds great. If you can provide equal or better service to SENuke and match their update frequency, you should be able to crush it as long as your pricing is competitive.

                SENuke has been my favorite IM tool for the past year or so, but lately it seems like only about 25-30% of the sites actually work, and their captcha service has been less than reliable over the last month or so.

                On that note, I'm trying BFSEO EVO II at the moment. Right now I'm going through the account creation and I'm feeling like the price is a bit high. The captcha service is blowing through the "Retries" in 5 seconds each, I'm guessing either everyone has gone home for the evening or they're swamped, but either way, when it's advertised as "total automation", it's disappointing. As a former customer of BF LLH, it's pretty unexpected, as issues with that particular piece of software were few and far between.

                If you're looking for user feedback to channel into your own product, here's my 2 cents. Focus on customer service and providing quality above anything else. I'd rather have a piece of software with 10 sites in each section that works close to 100% of the time than one with 40 sites that works 50% of the time. The frustration is simply not worth the "chance" of having everything work IMO.

                Oh, and if you provide a captcha breaking service, make sure it's a good one. There are few things more irritating in my site-promoting process than setting up a piece of "fully automated" software to create accounts, going and getting some housework done, and coming back to see it stuck on the first site telling me to manually enter the captcha. Awesome.

                Oh, and to keep this on topic, for account creation, SENuke is winning by a landslide at the moment in both the speed and reliability categories. We'll see how the posting features work.
                Hi Chris,

                Glad to see you are interested!

                Yes, like all businesses, I have done my studies (and am still doing - continual process!) on this 'niche'.

                My emphasis will always be on customer service and satisfaction. Hence feedback will always be VERY important.

                Don't want to give away much here, but all I can say is right now the way I'm going about development with this software, a lot of the current problems can be easily solved!

                Yes, I want to finally make something that you CAN really set and forget..for a good 1 month or more. Not set and forget for an hour. Nor set and forget for 1 min if an error pops up.

                No guarantees, but I'm basically trying to solve all problems everyone is facing with such tools. Myself included.

                If you're interested, you gotta stay tune as I WILL be giving more updates.

                Originally Posted by abs007 View Post

                Hi Ive had the evo 2 software since yesterday the launch day - Im on my 3rd run now.

                a full run normally takes about 5 hours but once you have your static accounts created then the run takes about 2.5 hours or so.

                The captcha solving is very poor - it allows 10 attempts to solve the captcha with each attempt allowing 60 secs so it can take upto 10 mins to solve - On many occasions I need to enter the captcha manually. I would also expect better captcha solving for the price of the software.

                The software runs extremely well in the 2nd and 3rd phase of the automation - The 2nd phase is the auto email confirmation and the 3rd is the posting of the links - There is nothing I can fault here.

                You can run the software in its entirety or select which modules you would like to run - Im a little confused as to where I can find the bookmarking urls and the article directory urls - I think I need to send a support ticket regarding this.

                The software creates a rss feed for all of the backlinks it creates so backlinks will be pointed to your backlinks that point to the money site giving them more value - I thought this was one of the best parts of the software.

                I will continue to use it for the 7 days and see how it go's.

                I have used senuke before and thought it was very easy to use - its certainly quicker to set up accounts and the support is fantastic.

                Evo 2 is heading in the right direction and is only in its early stages. I love the linking loophole software and may not be a payed member for the evo 2 software but will certainly continue with the linking loophole subscription.

                Jeff I cant wait till you launch your seomated software - its sounds great and I will certainly try it out
                BRO!

                Yes, I have certainly gone ahead with the idea.

                Don't worry bro, you will DEFINITELY be the first few to test out the software.

                Man, I really hope you are doing well with your web businesses and SEO services!

                Take care will ya?
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              • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                For anyone having trouble with the gmails being disabled...set up a catchall for a domain name you have and use the "advanced email" feature....

                Might be worth pete doing some sort of video showing how to do that if he hasn't already.
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    • Profile picture of the author robofx
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      Originally Posted by JeffLam View Post

      I'm currently also developing something similar that will compete with the best of the best tools.
      It's about time more coders jumped on this bandwagon. Competition'll yank the prices of this type of software down to earth, where it belongs.

      Stuff like SENuke and Evo2 will cost about $20 one-time payment when the dust settles, I'll bet. Hellelujah.
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      • Profile picture of the author Teriss
        IF a coder could do the same job as EVO II - is he / she prepared to write 1 million pages to compete with this program? Let's see it.
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  • Profile picture of the author james95
    thanks for your suggestion . I am a new member of thsi forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Toni Hoffmann
    still indecisive if i should get it too...

    keep the reviews coming guys...

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  • Profile picture of the author trishworks4u
    signed up for your list Jeff.

    I got the Evo II trial yesterday and just kept hitting the button to create my email account and kept getting the error message - then gave up. I already have to babysit enough automation programs with captchas and account creations.

    I'm glad I found this thread - probably not even going to mess with this for now. to think, i was seriously pondering the upsell 2-yr deal but then thought - what IM product is ever good (not obsolete) for 2 whole years? very few...
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    • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
      Trish,

      You may have missed in the PDF instructions, it says you need to make sure you are updated to Windows .NET 3.5, IE8, and the latest windows operating system. Links are in the PDF. Took me 10 minutes to update everything and get started. It's easy to miss this important point if you only watch the tutorial videos and not the PDF instructions.

      Also, like I said in my last post, the CAPTCHA really isn't a big deal during account creation. I just had to enter CAPTCHAs about twice a minute for 23 minutes. Maybe I'm weird, but I enjoyed watching it run through the account creation on all the sites while I waited for the CAPTCHA box to pop up.

      Originally Posted by trishworks4u View Post

      signed up for your list Jeff.

      I got the Evo II trial yesterday and just kept hitting the button to create my email account and kept getting the error message - then gave up. I already have to babysit enough automation programs with captchas and account creations.

      I'm glad I found this thread - probably not even going to mess with this for now. to think, i was seriously pondering the upsell 2-yr deal but then thought - what IM product is ever good (not obsolete) for 2 whole years? very few...
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Originally Posted by PeteNY View Post


        Also, like I said in my last post, the CAPTCHA really isn't a big deal during account creation. I just had to enter CAPTCHAs about twice a minute for 23 minutes. Maybe I'm weird, but I enjoyed watching it run through the account creation on all the sites while I waited for the CAPTCHA box to pop up.

        It might not be a big deal for you, but for $1,400 a year, it should fill in the captchas....and quickly too.

        Maybe an option to allow our own captcha services would take care of it? I imagine quite a few people are going to be using it extensively in the weeks to come so the captcha time will no doubt be slow if they are all going to the same captcha house.
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        • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
          I agree, the option to use your own CAPTCHA service would be nice. But, I haven't had a problem so far with Brute Force SEO. Like someone else said, it takes a little over 2 hours for each run with their CAPTCHA service. Not sure my own CAPTCHA would do it faster or not.

          I've been using a CAPTCHA service instead of SENuke's for the past week because SENuke's CAPTCHA has been unreliable. But, we do what we gotta do. No biggie.


          Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

          It might not be a big deal for you, but for $1,400 a year, it should fill in the captchas....and quickly too.

          Maybe an option to allow our own captcha services would take care of it? I imagine quite a few people are going to be using it extensively in the weeks to come so the captcha time will no doubt be slow if they are all going to the same captcha house.
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  • Profile picture of the author abuhakim
    BruteForce is way too buggy. Automation products are supposed to save you time, not waste it trying to get the programs to work. Besides that, their support sucks as with most of his products!
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  • Profile picture of the author trishworks4u
    No - I'm not always the best with "directions" and that's entirely my fault. - ends up costing me more time in the end sometimes.

    I guess my only source of heartburn here would be committing to a 2-yr deal when I don't see any (hardly) guru's keeping up with any product or service for that amount of time. These things require CONSTANT tweeking to keep up with all of the site changes, url switches, you name it. It's a constant update race where your "miracle" automation machine could become a nice desktop ornament in under a week if you don't have some seriously dedicated programmers behind it.

    I've seen it happen and it's disappointing when you spent $30, $50 or even $100. ...they're asking a bit more for this.

    could be worth it. I'm wrong all the time....
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    • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
      Yeah it is a big financial leap of faith. I'm not going to try to talk you into it. But, my hope is, as with SENuke, a high monthly fee will be huge incentive for the programs to keep the software up to date and keeping the users happy.

      So far that model seems to work well with SENuke. Looks like Brute Force was off to a rocky start, but hopefully they've been in$pired to step it up.


      Originally Posted by trishworks4u View Post

      No - I'm not always the best with "directions" and that's entirely my fault. - ends up costing me more time in the end sometimes.

      I guess my only source of heartburn here would be committing to a 2-yr deal when I don't see any (hardly) guru's keeping up with any product or service for that amount of time. These things require CONSTANT tweeking to keep up with all of the site changes, url switches, you name it. It's a constant update race where your "miracle" automation machine could become a nice desktop ornament in under a week if you don't have some seriously dedicated programmers behind it.

      I've seen it happen and it's disappointing when you spent $30, $50 or even $100. ...they're asking a bit more for this.

      could be worth it. I'm wrong all the time....
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Russell
      Originally Posted by trishworks4u View Post


      I guess my only source of heartburn here would be committing to a 2-yr deal when I don't see any (hardly) guru's keeping up with any product or service for that amount of time. These things require CONSTANT tweeking to keep up with all of the site changes, url switches, you name it. It's a constant update race where your "miracle" automation machine could become a nice desktop ornament in under a week if you don't have some seriously dedicated programmers behind it.

      I've seen it happen and it's disappointing when you spent $30, $50 or even $100. ...they're asking a bit more for this.

      could be worth it. I'm wrong all the time....
      Hi Trish,

      You hit the nail on the head!

      Keeping up with the changes to the sites SEnuke submits to in order to maintain an acceptable submission rate is a constant battle. It takes an extremely dedicated team of programmers to manage this...the more sites and strategy we add the more frequent updates are needed and we do update SEnuke constantly...almost monthly.

      I can assure that SEnuke/SEnuke X will not become anyones "Desktop Ornament" anytime soon

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  • Profile picture of the author Shift
    BF2 - I watched the video on the sales page where he walks you through the software showing you what it does, but I won't buy it because I think it's too expensive $157 per month.

    As far as I can see it's supposed to automatically create accounts (but the reviews are saying it's hardly automated and requires manually entering captchas), be able to post articles and videos, do some bookmarking, and submit rss feeds. Anything else?

    There's already cheaper software (for a one off payment) that does article submission.
    And another program that does bookmarking to more sites, also a once off payment and not a high monthly fee.

    My 2c.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Koltai
      Originally Posted by Shift View Post

      BF2 - I watched the video on the sales page where he walks you through the software showing you what it does, but I won't buy it because I think it's too expensive $157 per month.

      As far as I can see it's supposed to automatically create accounts (but the reviews are saying it's hardly automated and requires manually entering captchas), be able to post articles and videos, do some bookmarking, and submit rss feeds. Anything else?

      There's already cheaper software (for a one off payment) that does article submission.
      And another program that does bookmarking to more sites, also a once off payment and not a high monthly fee.

      My 2c.
      If the software worked as well as it should, $157 / month would be a bargain, as you could easily make that back in a day or so.

      An article submitter and bookmarking software will only get you so far. If you want to go the "one-off" route, then eventually you'll want to buy a web 2.0 / blog submitter, an RSS submitter, and a video submitter. And if we're talking about matching Pete's products, as far as I know, there's nothing like Linking Loophole on a single payment.

      It really depends on what you have more of, time or money. For me, I'd rather spend $127-$157 / month to free up 2-3 work hours per day that I can spend doing other stuff. Considering I can put up a brand new site with a couple of articles in that time, it's significantly more valuable than $157.
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Now this is more like it. After a software update, the program is running flawlessly. Haven't had to put in a single captcha. Now if I can just get access to the forum, I'll be set.
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        • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
          Black Hat,

          There were two separate emails to confirm with Brute Force SEO. One for their affiliate mailing list and one for their customer mailing list. Is it possible you didn't get on both email lists? Just a thought.

          Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

          Now this is more like it. After a software update, the program is running flawlessly. Haven't had to put in a single captcha. Now if I can just get access to the forum, I'll be set.
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        • Profile picture of the author Lutz80
          In my personal opinion SE Nuke is hands down 10 steps ahead.

          EVO 2 is slow as far as captchas I just end up manually entering them.

          Also the main sites never seem to log in properly or set up correctly, which in my opinion the most important part of the whole program.

          And yes I have cleared cache between every use, cleared cookies , temp files all that good stuff. The support is fair but slow and SENuke beats them in support as well.

          I was told just to enter the login manually, as well as the captchas as well, then what the heck am I paying the 157. monthly for then? Just not worth it to me , it is more than SENuke monthly and not even close in support and program quality in my experience.

          However everyone has different needs, and it may be liked by others more. Also SENuke continues to improve and I am sure they will as well.

          Well good luck in your decision and with the trial you really have nothing to lose. I do think it is over now. But not sure.
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      • Profile picture of the author Shift
        Actually I meant a web2.0 submitter and not bookmarker.

        RSS feeds you can also mash together.

        I'd rather spend a once off payment because it then works out much cheaper in the end, but that's just me.


        Originally Posted by Chris Koltai View Post

        If the software worked as well as it should, $157 / month would be a bargain, as you could easily make that back in a day or so.

        An article submitter and bookmarking software will only get you so far. If you want to go the "one-off" route, then eventually you'll want to buy a web 2.0 / blog submitter, an RSS submitter, and a video submitter. And if we're talking about matching Pete's products, as far as I know, there's nothing like Linking Loophole on a single payment.

        It really depends on what you have more of, time or money. For me, I'd rather spend $127-$157 / month to free up 2-3 work hours per day that I can spend doing other stuff. Considering I can put up a brand new site with a couple of articles in that time, it's significantly more valuable than $157.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Koltai
    Just tried another run of the static account creator with the new update.

    PROS: Fills in account details faster, seems to be taking less time to navigate from page to page. Using Yahoo mail instead of Gmail is a very wise choice, as well.

    CONS: That damn captcha service. Seriously, it takes 4-5 minutes to get through the 10 tries, and then I have to do it manually anyway. If there aren't enough staff on hand for the service, or if the staff aren't being monitored properly, it would be nice to have an option to use a paid service or set it to manual entry.

    If they can work out the captcha problems, it'll be a great piece of software.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by Chris Koltai View Post


      CONS: That damn captcha service. Seriously, it takes 4-5 minutes to get through the 10 tries, and then I have to do it manually anyway. If there aren't enough staff on hand for the service, or if the staff aren't being monitored properly, it would be nice to have an option to use a paid service or set it to manual entry.

      If they can work out the captcha problems, it'll be a great piece of software.
      Agreed...

      As of right now, I'd say that SENUKE is still the clear cut winner.

      Pete has made this software WAY better than it was before though...so, it is obvious that he is going in the right direction...I can't wait to see where it ends up.

      I probably won't keep my trial, but will give it another shot the next round of updates etc...
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by Chris Koltai View Post

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      CONS: That damn captcha service. Seriously, it takes 4-5 minutes to get through the 10 tries, and then I have to do it manually anyway. If there aren't enough staff on hand for the service, or if the staff aren't being monitored properly, it would be nice to have an option to use a paid service or set it to manual entry.

      .
      When you say staff, does that mean the captcha service has real people filling in the captchas behind the scene? If so, I didn't realize that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Koltai
        Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

        When you say staff, does that mean the captcha service has real people filling in the captchas behind the scene? If so, I didn't realize that.
        Yep. It plucks the captcha images from the site and sends them to outsourcers, who read them, type out the the text, and send it back to the software.

        I've had a couple of humorous experiences with SENuke where there was an employee who either thought noone was watching or wanted to get fired. For a few captchas in a row I got "hello" "ok" and "zzzzzzzz"
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        • Profile picture of the author reapr
          Originally Posted by Chris Koltai View Post

          Yep. It plucks the captcha images from the site and sends them to outsourcers, who read them, type out the the text, and send it back to the software.

          I've had a couple of humorous experiences with SENuke where there was an employee who either thought noone was watching or wanted to get fired. For a few captchas in a row I got "hello" "ok" and "zzzzzzzz"
          Dangit' I knew I would get busted for how I really make money on the internet ... I fell a sleep and big mike had outsourced my back up monkey to raid my liquor cabinet.

          All joking aside is there not a service that charges 2 dollars per 1000 captcha's?
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    I haven't tried SENuke. I have tried BruteForce (the old model) and cancelled it.

    Apart from the account creation problems, created accounts being closed down rapidly, etc., I found the article distribution leaves a lot to be desired.

    Grabbing an article, plonking your keyword in front of the title, and throughout the article seems to me to be a bit shonky. Could have something to do with why the accounts get deleted almost instantly. I can't help but wonder what the authors of these articles think about their creations being used in this manner. I hope they get some links/traffic from the use of their articles as well

    Until this is improved, BF/EVO is on the "better value elsewhere" list.

    From what I can see SENuke can distribute "unique" content to each account. Although that to is probabaly not without flaws as well. Swings and roundabouts I guess.

    Will get around to trying SEN shortly.
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    • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
      whateverpedia,

      I use fairly related articles and just add something in the beginning to introduce it and tie it into my keyword. The author's name and links stay intact with Brute force SEO. As an article writer myself, I'm hoping people re-distribute my articles (with my links). That's the point of me writing it and uploading it to eZine articles.

      And, if you don't want to do that, you always have the option to write your own articles and distribute them with Brute Force SEO or SENuke.

      Same thing with SENuke, they have a "download seed article" from eZine articles button (which I believe does not keep the author-box links). But, they tell you to re-write the article since you aren't giving credit. Or again, you can write your own article from scratch.

      Basically, how people use other people's writing is up to the user. Can't blame the software if someone writes unreleated articles and they get pulled down. Or, steals content without giving credit.

      It's interesting to see all the negativity around this software when I'm happy as a clam with it running quietly on another computer getting me backlinks all day long today. Seems it got a bad rep from the first release, which I totally missed. Might have been smart if they renamed it. But it looks like they have plenty of people downloading the 7 day free trial anyway.

      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      I haven't tried SENuke. I have tried BruteForce (the old model) and cancelled it.

      Apart from the account creation problems, created accounts being closed down rapidly, etc., I found the article distribution part of it a joke.

      Grab an article (probabaly unrelated), plonking your keyword in front of the title, and throughout the article seems to me to be incredibly shonky. No wonder the accounts get deleted almost instantly. I can't help but wonder what the authors of these articles think about their creations being abused in this manner. The BF team seem to think that because you leave the author details intact, this makes it ok. Would hate to have to defend that one in court.

      Until they get their act together with the article side of things, BF/EVO is on the "avoid like the plague" list.

      At least SENuke distributes "unique" articles (correct me if I'm wrong on that).

      Will get around to trying SEN shortly.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Originally Posted by PeteNY View Post


        It's interesting to see all the negativity around this software when I'm happy as a clam with it running quietly on another computer getting me backlinks all day long today. Seems it got a bad rep from the first release, which I totally missed. Might have been smart if they renamed it. But it looks like they have plenty of people downloading the 7 day free trial anyway.
        I havn't read a lot of non-constructive negative comments here from others...

        But, I think you're being overly positive because you are promoting it in your sig.

        Is it a coincidence that so far, I think you are the only one that doesn't have problems with creating accounts or accounts being disabled - I doubt it.

        EVOII is a nice piece of software, no doubt about that as I'm sure Pete will get the captcha thing sped up or at least put an option in to use our own services...But, at $157 a month, it needs to be BETTER than SENUKE and in its current state...It isn't.
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        • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
          Nah, I'm usually just a glass-half-full kinda guy. But you don't know me, so I could understand why you would assume that I'm being falsely positive to push the link in my signature.

          I paid the two year price for Brute Force SEO which comes to about $41 a month. Compared to the $99 a month I pay for SENuke, I think it's worth that amount to use BOTH of them. At the $157 Brute Force price, I don't know. Maybe.

          Here are my results for day 1. It did stop the process three times and I had a "Enter Manually" in the CAPTCHA box. I glanced over at the computer and got it back on track. And, it either crashed once, or I did something wrong and it disappeared off the screen.

          But the glass half full part is it put out probably 400 links for 4 different money sites in one day. So, I'm seeing it as a positive productive day. And while Brute Force SEO was working away, I worked on my spun articles to put into SENuke at a later date.

          I've had my fair share of glitches with SENuke too, but looking at the big picture, I think they're both great.


          Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

          I havn't read a lot of non-constructive negative comments here from others...

          But, I think you're being overly positive because you are promoting it in your sig.

          Is it a coincidence that so far, I think you are the only one that doesn't have problems with creating accounts or accounts being disabled - I doubt it.

          EVOII is a nice piece of software, no doubt about that as I'm sure Pete will get the captcha thing sped up or at least put an option in to use our own services...But, at $157 a month, it needs to be BETTER than SENUKE and in its current state...It isn't.
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by PeteNY View Post

        I use fairly related articles and just add something in the beginning to introduce it and tie it into my keyword. The author's name and links stay intact with Brute force SEO. As an article writer myself, I'm hoping people re-distribute my articles (with my links). That's the point of me writing it and uploading it to eZine articles.
        That's a fair enough way of doing it. But not just plonking a keyword before the title (as shown on the latest EVO vid). If it helps drive traffic to where you want it, rather than where the BF/EVO poster wants it to go, the that isn't a bad thing.

        I recall the forum there had people bragging about how "succesful" their efforts had been because 30% of their postings "stuck".

        Can't quite get my head around why a 70% failure rate would be worth crowing about. And as more people used it the accounts were banned faster and faster.

        I think that what happens is the BF/EVO team test all the sites and have success with them, so it is released to the public. The testing though seems, sorry seemed, to create the footprint that sent out red flags, and the accounts/site was shut off by the time users got to do it. Well that might be what happened. It's not beyond the realms of possibility.

        Eventually (probably) they will no be nowhere left for them to post to rendering the whole thing redundant. Maybe.

        All that aside, if you are happy with it does then more power to you.

        Not my cup of tea however.
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        • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
          The point of putting out articles is more to get the backlink so you appear more important to google and therefore get a higher position. Not necessarily to get the foot traffic through the link. Otherwise, I'd see your point that it would appear that we're highjacking the link traffic. But, I don't think that's what the article writers were looking for.

          I did notice that the EZine terms of service states you can't change the article title. But, it doesn't look like Brute Force SEO is getting their articles from Ezine. So, they are still within the rules or fair game.


          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          That's a fair enough way of doing it. But not just plonking a keyword before the title (as shown on the latest EVO vid). If it helps drive traffic to where you want it, rather than where the BF/EVO poster wants it to go, the that isn't a bad thing.

          I recall the forum there had people bragging about how "succesful" their efforts had been because 30% of their postings "stuck".

          Can't quite get my head around why a 70% failure rate would be worth crowing about. And as more people used it the accounts were banned faster and faster.

          I think that what happens is the BF/EVO team test all the sites and have success with them, so it is released to the public. The testing though seems, sorry seemed, to create the footprint that sent out red flags, and the accounts/site was shut off by the time users got to do it. Well that might be what happened. It's not beyond the realms of possibility.

          Eventually (probably) they will no be nowhere left for them to post to rendering the whole thing redundant. Maybe.

          All that aside, if you are happy with it does then more power to you.

          Not my cup of tea however.
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          • Profile picture of the author Chris Koltai
            Originally Posted by PeteNY View Post

            The point of putting out articles is more to get the backlink so you appear more important to google and therefore get a higher position. Not necessarily to get the foot traffic through the link. Otherwise, I'd see your point that it would appear that we're highjacking the link traffic. But, I don't think that's what the article writers were looking for.

            I did notice that the EZine terms of service states you can't change the article title. But, it doesn't look like Brute Force SEO is getting their articles from Ezine. So, they are still within the rules or fair game.
            Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, the most powerful search engine on the internet, run by one of the fastest-growing and most prolific companies in history might be able to figure out that links coming from an article that they've already indexed a couple of hundred times might be best filed under the spam column?
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            • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
              Originally Posted by Chris Koltai View Post

              Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, the most powerful search engine on the internet, run by one of the fastest-growing and most prolific companies in history might be able to figure out that links coming from an article that they've already indexed a couple of hundred times might be best filed under the spam column?
              I know the absolute answer to this, from testing it, do you? have you tested this? or is this just a big gues?
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        • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          Can't quite get my head around why a 70% failure rate would be worth crowing about.
          Not a big baseball fan, are you? Plenty of guys making millions each year for a 70% plus failure rate.
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  • Profile picture of the author pavionjsl
    It is amazing how he is the only one that does not have the captcha problems as jeremy said. I started a run lastnight, got up the dam thing is stuck, so for the next 30 minutes or so I wait to see if at anytime it overcomes anything. Nothing. Im doing the work.

    And here is the issue someone named Daniel Mcgonagle brought up in a review of the linking loophole, The links by themselves are ineffective without some sort of promotion of the profiles as a few people have pointed out. In other words if there is no pinger built in to these profiles hard to say if they will ever really benefit.

    So if we let it grab articles, with no uniqueness to them and build linkwheels with them whats the point? By the time I put 5 articles in, did multiple titles, 3x resource boxes for each article, I was then thinking these things still need to be accepted (the articles), then after they are accepted they can be social bookmarked , and submitted to rss feeds to help the articles.

    But their is no such feature. My impression is this is to be the next step in link wheel building. If it is and we are hoping to get some traffic from the links, the article needs some ability to have someone want to come further.

    Hell maybe its me, Im missing the point.But for 157.00 a month I should be able to go to bed, wake up and have results not baby sit this thing paying someone money hoping they get it right. Will do my own work same amount of time.
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    • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
      Did you update your computer .NET 3.5, Explorer8 and the latest operating system? Maybe that's why I'm not having the problems others are. I'm not trying to push this on you if you aren't into it. Just trying to help.

      Good point about the Pinging. At the end of each run, Brute Force SEO generated a list of the links it made. I'm going to pop them into the SENuke pinger.

      Originally Posted by pavionjsl View Post

      It is amazing how he is the only one that does not have the captcha problems as jeremy said. I started a run lastnight, got up the dam thing is stuck, so for the next 30 minutes or so I wait to see if at anytime it overcomes anything. Nothing. Im doing the work.

      And here is the issue someone named Daniel Mcgonagle brought up in a review of the linking loophole, The links by themselves are ineffective without some sort of promotion of the profiles as a few people have pointed out. In other words if there is no pinger built in to these profiles hard to say if they will ever really benefit.

      So if we let it grab articles, with no uniqueness to them and build linkwheels with them whats the point? By the time I put 5 articles in, did multiple titles, 3x resource boxes for each article, I was then thinking these things still need to be accepted (the articles), then after they are accepted they can be social bookmarked , and submitted to rss feeds to help the articles.

      But their is no such feature. My impression is this is to be the next step in link wheel building. If it is and we are hoping to get some traffic from the links, the article needs some ability to have someone want to come further.

      Hell maybe its me, Im missing the point.But for 157.00 a month I should be able to go to bed, wake up and have results not baby sit this thing paying someone money hoping they get it right. Will do my own work same amount of time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shift
      Originally Posted by pavionjsl View Post

      And here is the issue someone named Daniel Mcgonagle brought up in a review of the linking loophole, The links by themselves are ineffective without some sort of promotion of the profiles as a few people have pointed out. In other words if there is no pinger built in to these profiles hard to say if they will ever really benefit.
      I've used the Linking Loophole software a few times to see if it will work.
      I created accounts on one month's worth of links at a time, and then posted my links, and then waited another week and did another month's packet of links.

      Only four backlinks stuck, the rest (must be around 40-60) did not.
      I did not abuse the system by spamming/creating multiple accounts and multiple links either.
      This was just my experience and I have not unsubscribed from linking loophole. I'm prepared to try it a few more times to see if the stickiness improves.
      Another downside is a few of the sites stopped new user registrations within the same day that a new monthly packet of links were released because obviously too many people were creating too many accounts all of a sudden. So it goes.

      So I wonder how long the links created with this evo2 will actually stick/last.
      Check your backlinks after a month's time and you will have a good idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author pavionjsl
    Here is that review from Terry McGonagle on linking loophole:

    [CENTER]As you may know if you're a regular reader of this blog I started to test and review Peter Drew's Brute Force Linking Authority Loophole or BFLAL for short.


    I thought terrys review had a lot of good points. Again for 157.00 a month you need to be spot on. This hang in there untill it works better stuff is not cutting it. And like SEnuke right now their effectiveness has been cut down by over half because spammers have blown up the sites with over use and abuse.

    These tools get abused and then become less effective. Make your own opinion, this is just mine and like butts everyone has one. Now there is a secret I use of 2 services combined that end up costing 2/3rds of that 157 a month that is spot on and are so good together that it is scary.

    But that secret would cost money and I am not sure how much, in fact I am keeping it to myself. Hell they don't even know how good they are for each others service.....
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    • Profile picture of the author Carlton Johnson
      Coming back to the title of this thread "Bruteforce seo VS SEnuke,"

      For me I still can't get my head around what Bruteforce does that SEnuke can't do and do much more effectively.

      I am still playing with Bruteforce because I thought it had two things that SENuke didn't.

      1. I just plug my website and keywords in and then I let it go and do its thing. This does not seem to be the case and currently it needs a lot of babysitting; however, Peter will probably sort this out at some point.

      2. I wouldn't have to worry about creating content to promote my sites. I still can't get my head around exactly what Bruteforce does here, unless I supply my own articles then it seems to have a data base of articles that eveyone pulls from; surely somewhere like ezine articles won't accepted this types of articles, there doesn't seem to be any spinning or rewriting involved.

      All, in all, at the moment SEnuke seems to be able to still do much more (with more in the pipeline as always) and do it much quicker and more effectively.

      Now if I could just plug in my money website and evo II would go off and create real links that would last (at least for a while) and throw out real content then I am still very interested.

      If you are able to buy both SENuke and Evo II then that is great, but if it is a choice of one or the other, then for me SENuke still wins hands down, with one caveat, with SENuke I think you need to have a system in place and be quite organised.

      If you don't have a system in place with what you are doing with SENuke you will be just creating links all over the place and probably getting very little benefit out of them. This is one thing that Bruteforce seems to be better at, it seems easier to just let the software do it and the software will (or should) do it in a structured way, where as with SENuke, the user has to plan the structure more.

      Anyway, that's my 2 cents on this issue.
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      • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
        I agree Carlton, if I had to pick just one, I'd probably pick SENuke.

        But, SENuke is much more difficult to figure out. So, I'd recommend getting the extra training tutorials offered by Mark Dulisse.

        Or, if someone didn't want to put the time and effort hiking up the learning curve of SENuke, I'd recommend Brute Force SEO. Much, much easier to operate out of the box. But, it's too soon for me to comment on it's effectiveness.

        Also Brute Force SEO beats SENuke in video distribution. But, you need a subscription to Hey Spread. It might be smarter to save the $157 a month and just go directly through Hey Spread. Not sure, haven't played with the video submission yet.



        Originally Posted by Carlton Johnson View Post

        Coming back to the title of this thread "Bruteforce seo VS SEnuke,"

        If you are able to buy both SENuke and Evo II then that is great, but if it is a choice of one or the other, then for me SENuke still wins hands down, with one caveat, with SENuke I think you need to have a system in place and be quite organised.
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      • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
        Bruteforce SEO doesn't re-post the author's articles to other article distributors (ie: ezine articles). It just uses the author's articles to post to other types of sites, adds your link at the bottom, and retains the authors links as per their terms of service.

        If you check the "orginal article" radio button, I think that's when it posts to the article sites.

        I've been coming up short on getting articles for some of my keywords, so I went to a different article distributor and input articles manually. I avoided Ezine articles though because their terms of service are against changing title like Brute Force SEO does. (although I could manually paste in the title without my keyphrase).


        Originally Posted by Carlton Johnson View Post

        Coming back to the title of this thread "Bruteforce seo VS SEnuke,"

        2. I wouldn't have to worry about creating content to promote my sites. I still can't get my head around exactly what Bruteforce does here, unless I supply my own articles then it seems to have a data base of articles that eveyone pulls from; surely somewhere like ezine articles won't accepted this types of articles, there doesn't seem to be any spinning or rewriting involved.

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        • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
          Note that for the articles in BFSEO/Evo II I just use PLR articles (have something like 100k i think). This cuts down on the on-page outgoing links on the page. I pick any random topic. Today its been autism and vegetarianism.



          Originally Posted by PeteNY View Post

          Bruteforce SEO doesn't re-post the author's articles to other article distributors (ie: ezine articles). It just uses the author's articles to post to other types of sites, adds your link at the bottom, and retains the authors links as per their terms of service.

          If you check the "orginal article" radio button, I think that's when it posts to the article sites.

          I've been coming up short on getting articles for some of my keywords, so I went to a different article distributor and input articles manually. I avoided Ezine articles though because their terms of service are against changing title like Brute Force SEO does. (although I could manually paste in the title without my keyphrase).
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          • Profile picture of the author Shawn Anderson
            I assume you aren't submitting to article directories. If not, then does it let you submit the article without filling in the resource box?

            I started using content boss to create articles to submit, but the extra time for as many projects as I am promoting takes alot out of the 'automation' of the tool.

            -Shawn

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            • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
              Correct, i'm just submitting to the web 2.0 sites. Unfortunately, I believe that the software requires you to submit a resource box, even if you don't submit to the article directories. I just have a standard format in a notepad txt file that I cut and paste in.


              Originally Posted by myshovel View Post

              I assume you aren't submitting to article directories. If not, then does it let you submit the article without filling in the resource box?

              I started using content boss to create articles to submit, but the extra time for as many projects as I am promoting takes alot out of the 'automation' of the tool.

              -Shawn

              P.S. Off to run it again. Fingers crossed.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Koltai
        Originally Posted by Carlton Johnson View Post

        Coming back to the title of this thread "Bruteforce seo VS SEnuke,"

        For me I still can't get my head around what Bruteforce does that SEnuke can't do and do much more effectively.

        I am still playing with Bruteforce because I thought it had two things that SENuke didn't.
        Now that the captcha service is actually working, I've been able to compare the two systems a bit better. Using just the base level functions, there are two areas where BFSEO is beating SENuke.

        1. RSS distribution. BFSEO turns every single page you create into an RSS feed and submits it to the aggregators. Assuming that the pages that link directly to your money site actually stick, this means that they're going to be getting a lot of link juice, which will in turn be passed to your site. SENuke can do something similar to this if you use an html to rss conversion site in conjunction with their "Combine Multiple RSS Feeds" option, but it's much less automated.

        2. Learning curve. For some people, this will be a big deal. When the captcha service is working, you can literally just punch in your site details and walk away. No need for a strategy, no need to wait for accounts to register so you can come back and do a submission. If you don't want or need the level of control that SENuke provides, BFSEO might not be a bad choice.

        Of course, SENuke blows it out of the water in terms of speed, number of social networks, control, and reliability. Also, I have a hard time believing that the random articles that BFSEO pulls are going to stick around, let alone get indexed and counted as a backlink. That's just my personal skepticism, I'll see if any of my sites register the new links.

        For me, the speed is really hard to accept. With 32 sites and 1 or 2 more being added every week, I can't afford to let it take 1.5-2 hours per run on a dedicated box. If Pete speeds it up and starts cracking the whip at his captcha service, this might be something I'd pick up to complement SENuke, but as it stands right now, I wouldn't regard it as competition.
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        • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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          Originally Posted by Chris Koltai View Post

          . If Pete speeds it up and starts cracking the whip at his captcha service, this might be something I'd pick up to complement SENuke, but as it stands right now, I wouldn't regard it as competition.
          After reading a little more in the forum over there, it seems they are using software to solve the captchas, and not actual people, which would explain 1.why it's slow, and 2. why it takes several tries to enter the right captcha sometimes.
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          • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
            Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

            After reading a little more in the forum over there, it seems they are using software to solve the captchas, and not actual people, which would explain 1.why it's slow, and 2. why it takes several tries to enter the right captcha sometimes.
            You are correct, it is a hard-coded captcha solving system. That being said, I really like SENuke's option of having a paying subscription if you want to.
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          • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
            Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

            After reading a little more in the forum over there, it seems they are using software to solve the captchas, and not actual people, which would explain 1.why it's slow, and 2. why it takes several tries to enter the right captcha sometimes.
            Hey,

            we use 3 different companies to provide captures.

            each users gets one of the 3 companies chosen randomly, they are supplied to users as fast as we get them

            we use 3 different companies for redundancy. if one goes down for any reason, no one will experience down time.

            though I could email them a touch typing manual that may speed it up

            yes these do cost money,

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    • Profile picture of the author trishworks4u
      have already cancelled and uninstalled. would hate to forget and get hit with $157.

      on a brighter note, I have been a member of Lexorsoft for months and love that - real people doing IM stuff for me - no babysitting a "semi-automated" program.
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      • Profile picture of the author kimvalerio05
        Originally Posted by trishworks4u View Post

        have already cancelled and uninstalled. would hate to forget and get hit with $157.

        on a brighter note, I have been a member of Lexorsoft for months and love that - real people doing IM stuff for me - no babysitting a "semi-automated" program.
        I have tried also Bruteforce SEO for 2 months including EVO 2, but still I prefer lexorsoft. The problem with Bruteforce seo/EVO 2 is that you still need time to configure. After running the software the result is about 40% to 60% only sometimes lower.

        But to be fair with EVO 2, I love the auto capcha feature of the software, after you enter the data needed by the software you can leave it and continue what you're doing.

        Specially authority sites very low turnout... I have not tried SEnuke yet so I can't say anything about it.

        The reason why I like lexorsoft.net is that they do all the task manually and I got all the reports in excel format. The only job involve in my side is to provide my site url, my keywords, titles, and if needed articles for article submission.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kirpo
          Originally Posted by kimvalerio05 View Post

          I have tried also Bruteforce SEO for 2 months including EVO 2, but still I prefer lexorsoft. The problem with Bruteforce seo/EVO 2 is that you still need time to configure. After running the software the result is about 40% to 60% only sometimes lower.

          But to be fair with EVO 2, I love the auto capcha feature of the software, after you enter the data needed by the software you can leave it and continue what you're doing.

          Specially authority sites very low turnout... I have not tried SEnuke yet so I can't say anything about it.

          The reason why I like lexorsoft.net is that they do all the task manually and I got all the reports in excel format. The only job involve in my side is to provide my site url, my keywords, titles, and if needed articles for article submission.

          Hey Kim,

          How you doin.

          I was researching EVO2 & SE Nuke when I stumbled on your post.

          Are you able to provide the following info plus
          any more you wish to add -

          What services have you used?
          What success have you received?
          Which of their services is best for quick ranking?
          Are they efficient & professional?

          Cheers Kim, have a great day/night??

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    Affiliate links in signatures are, of course, strictly forbidden. I have not removed the related posts because they contain useful comments (which I don't believe are being made just to boost affiliate sales) but other actions are being taken.

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      Sorry Pearsonbrown, I had done a quick search of the FAQ and Help Section for "Affiliate Links Signature". I didn't see anything forbidding it. My bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Newton
    Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

    Same here - I was entering captchas through the entire account creation process...The software would eventually solve them but in many cases it would take 3 minutes+ to enter one captcha.
    EVO II:

    I had to frequently intervene during the account creation process in Evo II.

    1.
    There was a problem with many of the captchas, particularly those with 2 words and I got sick of waiting around. So, I just manually entered the remaining captchas.

    2.
    Although the software didn't show all of the account passwords, usernames etc, after manually logging in to the accounts, I found that many had been created and I just entered my details into the software.

    3.
    Four of the accounts were not created by the software, so I manually created these as well. I have created all of the accounts that came with the program, including revver and bharatbhasha.

    4.
    The software had a problem with the gmail account it created. When it was trying to check emails, it kept entering the complete email address into the gmail username submission form, rather than just the username. I got around this by manually logging into gmail, using the created name and remaining logged in while it completed the process.

    Although I'm not impressed with the account creation process, especially for the price, I will keep an open mind until I have tested the rest of the software, before my trial expires.

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    • Profile picture of the author reapr
      I too am interested in both products. I am trying to get an objective review by comparing evo2 not bruteforce to senuke ...
      http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...e-vs-evo2.html
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Koltai
        Originally Posted by reapr View Post

        I too am interested in both products. I am trying to get an objective review by comparing evo2 not bruteforce to senuke ...
        http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...e-vs-evo2.html
        Hi reapr. Just a heads up, odds are good that thread you created is going to get deleted. The mods aren't huge fans of duplicate topics in the forum.

        EVO2 is just the new version of Brute Force SEO. The same product, just with features added. All of the posts after the 18th of Nov. on this thread are referencing EVO2 whether they call it that or Brute Force.

        As far as an objective review, I hold no brand loyalties. I'm currently running the free trial of EVO2 and I've been an SENuke user for quite some time now.

        SENuke is vastly superior to BFSEO in terms of overall quality and efficiency in every area other than RSS submission and learning curve. I went into further detail on this in my earlier post.

        If you have any other questions about either system, ask away.
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        • Profile picture of the author abs007
          Its fair to say that much work has gone into EVO II however there is much room for improvement. I have been subscribed to petes linking loophole software for some time now and even though the captcha solving has the same issues as EVO II does I am very pleased with the service.

          I have used senuke in the past and thought I would take out another trial version.

          Now that I have both senuke and evo II I can clearly see the strengths of both programmes.

          Here are my findings.

          EVO II

          EVO II is easy to use with few entries by the user and a few clicks you can get the programme to create a massive amount of backlinks.

          The captcha solver is very slow.

          You dont have much control over what tasks to run and what not to run. I know its possible to disable a few tasks however when I attempted to disable the article module it kept on prompting me to add an article.

          The report that evo II pulls up does not include bookmarks

          When evo II creates web 2.0 accounts with the articles it adds all of the articles on each web 2.0 account - so if you chose 4 articles then all 4 articles will be in each web 2.0 account you create - Dont think this is good for duplicate contents.

          EVO II has an area where you can enter related keywords. When I looked at the web 2.0 accounts that evo II created it would randomly choose the related keywords and backlinks to your website. On every occasion it created 3 backlinks on each web 2.0 account - out of the 3 backlinks 2 of the anchor text were always the same. My findings after using linking loophole was that if you are going to post more then 1 link on any site then its always a good idea to use different urls - something like

          mydomain.com
          mydomain.com/1
          mydomain.com/2

          and not

          mydomain.com
          mydomain.com
          mydomain.com

          I didnt like this part as I like having more control. I understand that evo II is using a LSI way of using anchor text which is good however for anyone knowing about seo they would do this manually anyway as you can get penalised for using the 1 same keyword over and over again to link back to your site.

          The email verification is great

          the posting of backlinks to accounts created is also good

          The account creation section is slow

          I also have a feeling as I havnt looked into all of the rss feeds that evo II also promotes all rss feeds associated with the static accounts for every run that you do - SO unless you are creating new static accounts on every run you will be promoting all previous work that you ran on your static accounts. I dont know if this is a positive part or a negative part however if you are using the software a few times a day then you risk promoting more then you asked for. SO you will be getting many many backlinks. Even though many people say that you will not get penalized for a big number of backlinks on a daily bases I still like to stay in control of how many backlink back to my site if not linking back naturally due to excellent content or other reasons.

          SENUKE

          SENUKE is much faster at creating accounts

          You have more control over senuke

          The captcha solving is also much faster.

          You have more sites to choose from to create backlinks from

          It has excellent random url functions

          You can spin your articles from within the software. you can actually spin more or less any part of the backlinks titles, tags and much more.

          You have the option of using proxies so if your ip was banned you will have no issues

          the support is great and they are always improving the software

          However

          You do need to learn how to use the software

          you will need to make sure your web 2.0 accounts and other backlinks are not isolated

          Other then that I havnt really been able to flaw SENUKE

          Conclusion

          Evo II is in its early stages and am sure Pete will take all of our feedback and tweak the software. As the software stands I think it wil suite people who are newer to seo as its more or less all done for you. The user interface of EVO II is very good and the software certainly looks 10 times better then SENUKE.

          SENUKE is my better choice of the 2. The reasons behind it is because it can do all that EVO II can and you have better control. Its faster and once you learn how to use it properly which to be honest I still dont - I am sure you will get much better results.

          One thing that evO II is great in doing is the rss feed creation and promotion. Its usses html2rss which is a great service - This can be done manually if needed but exo ii does it for you

          I provide seo services for many companies in the UK and have always used outsources to do my link building for me. Now that I have tested senuke again I will be able to do much of the work from my spare laptop.

          My seo strategy consists of something like a time line whereby I put my clients sites through certain stages of backlinking throughout the time that I work for them.

          So it might be -
          week 1 bookmarking
          week 2 high page rank backlinks
          week 3 rss feed promotion
          week 4 article marketing

          and for the more established sites I may do all seo backlinking techniques every week

          With SENUKE I am able to do this but with evo II im not.

          I know many people will disagree with my finding however we all have different techniques and different requirements and thought I would share my findings.

          I am not affiliated with any of the 2 software's - just giving an honest review

          cheers
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          • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
            Originally Posted by abs007 View Post


            One thing that evO II is great in doing is the rss feed creation and promotion. Its usses html2rss which is a great service - This can be done manually if needed but exo ii does it for you
            You know, at first I loved html2rss, but lately it has been getting to me a bit. I'm not sure how many people realize this, but every single feed you create with html2rss.com (which is basically everything for Evo II and BFSEO), includes a link back to one of Peter Drew's products/sites, with the anchor text that he wants. Why do you think he is right behind paypal.com for "paypal affiliate"? So, in essence, we are actively promoting all of his sites. I am pretty sure that he might rule the planet one day with this ingenius method of having his paying subscribers advertise his sites for free.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
              Originally Posted by thmgoodw View Post

              You know, at first I loved html2rss, but lately it has been getting to me a bit. I'm not sure how many people realize this, but every single feed you create with html2rss.com (which is basically everything for Evo II and BFSEO), includes a link back to one of Peter Drew's products/sites, with the anchor text that he wants. Why do you think he is right behind paypal.com for "paypal affiliate"? So, in essence, we are actively promoting all of his sites. I am pretty sure that he might rule the planet one day with this ingenius method of having his paying subscribers advertise his sites for free.
              Is that true??? You know that for a fact?
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              • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
                Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

                Is that true??? You know that for a fact?
                Yes its a fact. Every single one of my RSS feeds has the advertisement in it.

                What I just now noticed is that it rotates for each feed too. If you have an RSS feed open from html2rss, and click refresh in your browser, it will repopulate this last position/ad with one of a number of random self-promotional items.

                I'm not posting one of my RSS feeds here, but i'll PM to you Jeremey (considering i'm using your automated backlinks package and trust you

                These are the anchored links that are rotated ads I think:

                rss aggregator
                marketing software
                coolest guy on the planet
                twitter software
                campier trailer hire
                seo tips
                create rss feed
                best seo software
                paypal affiliate
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                • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                  Originally Posted by thmgoodw View Post

                  Yes its a fact. Every single one of my RSS feeds has the advertisement in it.

                  What I just now noticed is that it rotates for each feed too. If you have an RSS feed open from html2rss, and click refresh in your browser, it will repopulate this last position/ad with one of a number of random self-promotional items.

                  I'm not posting one of my RSS feeds here, but i'll PM to you Jeremey (considering i'm using your automated backlinks package and trust you

                  These are the anchored links that are rotated ads I think:

                  rss aggregator
                  marketing software
                  coolest guy on the planet
                  twitter software
                  campier trailer hire
                  seo tips
                  create rss feed
                  best seo software
                  paypal affiliate

                  wow....just wow.
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                  • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
                    Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

                    wow....just wow.
                    If I posted this on the brute force seo forums, I am willing to take bets on how fast my account would be disabled and my post deleted. I put the over/under at 5 minutes.

                    Note also that at least one of the RSS aggregator sites (either rssmountain or rssmicro) stopped accepting html2rss feeds. The popup basically said "html2rss feeds are known to be spammy".
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                    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                      Originally Posted by thmgoodw View Post

                      If I posted this on the brute force seo forums, I am willing to take bets on how fast my account would be disabled and my post deleted. I put the over/under at 5 minutes.

                      Note also that at least one of the RSS aggregator sites (either rssmountain or rssmicro) stopped accepting html2rss feeds. The popup basically said "html2rss feeds are known to be spammy".
                      lol - I don't think some people are really going to appreciate you posting it here either

                      But, thanks for the heads up I'm still working through the trial.

                      Jeremy
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              • Profile picture of the author reapr
                Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

                Is that true??? You know that for a fact?
                Jeremy just go create a feed and see for yourself.
                Last feed I created had ... campier trailer hire
                inserted in the end.
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                • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                  Originally Posted by reapr View Post

                  Jeremy just go create a feed and see for yourself.
                  Last feed I created had ... campier trailer hire
                  inserted in the end.

                  I believe you guys

                  I've just never paid attention...again, I say...wow....just...wow
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                  • Profile picture of the author reapr
                    Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

                    I believe you guys

                    I've just never paid attention...again, I say...wow....just...wow
                    Well with free services I cant complain I just use the feed creator. It is not like I am paying to use that service.
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                    • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
                      Originally Posted by reapr View Post

                      Well with free services I cant complain I just use the feed creator. It is not like I am paying to use that service.
                      So, against my better judgment perhaps, i started a thread on this at BFSEO. According to the mod, the link is actually to benefit us!! By 1-way linking TO these great sites, we are getting power to our newly created feeds, and that this was done solely to help us, and not to benefit the linked to sites.

                      PHEW, that's a monkey off my back.:rolleyes: Some people are really drinking the kool-aid.
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                      • Profile picture of the author reapr
                        Originally Posted by thmgoodw View Post

                        So, against my better judgment perhaps, i started a thread on this at BFSEO. According to the mod, the link is actually to benefit us!! By 1-way linking TO these great sites, we are getting power to our newly created feeds, and that this was done solely to help us, and not to benefit the linked to sites.

                        PHEW, that's a monkey off my back.:rolleyes: Some people are really drinking the kool-aid.
                        Yeah if they are random sites not a problem ... good to know.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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                          Originally Posted by reapr View Post

                          Yeah if they are random sites not a problem ... good to know.
                          They are random sites....Pete's random sites, lol.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                            Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

                            They are random sites....Pete's random sites, lol.

                            lol...Actually pretty slick - Maybe he can make it so that all the users of the software sites rotate there as well?
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                            • Profile picture of the author reapr
                              Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

                              lol...Actually pretty slick - Maybe he can make it so that all the users of the software sites rotate there as well?
                              Actually that would be a great idea.

                              I say take it a bit further the longer a subscriber is in the system the more their links get exposed! It would be nice to see the subscribers links being promoted instead and getting link juice instead.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                                Originally Posted by reapr View Post

                                Actually that would be a great idea.

                                I say take it a bit further the longer a subscriber is in the system the more their links get exposed! It would be nice to see the subscribers links being promoted instead and getting link juice instead.
                                I doubt that will happen
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                                  Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

                                  I doubt that will happen
                                  why do you doubt that?

                                  Interesting to hear how you have come to this conclusion without asking me personally about it
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                                    Originally Posted by peteinoz View Post

                                    why do you doubt that?

                                    Interesting to hear how you have come to this conclusion without asking me personally about it
                                    I doubt it because if you were going to do it - I'm assuming you would have brought it up already. Considering it took someone else to point out that you are riding anchor text on all the feeds that are being created

                                    Although, now that it is out in the open...You just might do it

                                    And just for the record - I actually did think about asking you personally about this - In the past though, I've sent messages about other issues when I was using the trial and received no answer back.
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                                      Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

                                      I doubt it because if you were going to do it - I'm assuming you would have brought it up already.
                                      well I do like to know if something is working or not, I do test everything i release thoroughly

                                      plus Ive been working on evo II for 3 months, maybe Ive just been busy with other stuff, prepping for a lot of new members and having something nice for them as an unannounced bonus?

                                      At the end of the day it could be many things, or of course you could just assume the worse, which some people do unfortunately for everyone else

                                      btw, when Im running wso's i get 20 PM's per day and do my best to answer each and every of them peronsally.. its not often that any get missed, I appologised in this case that I missed yours.

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                                      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                                        Originally Posted by peteinoz View Post

                                        well I do like to know if something is working or not, I do test everything i release thoroughly

                                        plus Ive been working on evo II for 3 months, maybe Ive just been busy with other stuff, prepping for a lot of new members and having something nice for them as an unannounced bonus?

                                        At the end of the day it could be many things, or of course you could just assume the worse, which some people do unfortunately for everyone else

                                        btw, when Im running wso's i get 20 PM's per day and do my best to answer each and every of them peronsally.. its not often that any get missed, I appologised in this case that I missed yours.

                                        Pete
                                        Pete, it probably wasn't you that missed them as I sent them into support. I know how full a PM box can get

                                        Maybe I did just assume the worst case here, but you have to admit that it looks a little "funky" to show up on my own RSS feed and see your links rotating whenever I refresh
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                                        • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
                                          Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

                                          Maybe I did just assume the worst case here, but you have to admit that it looks a little "funky" to show up on my own RSS feed and see your links rotating whenever I refresh
                                          yep you are probably right, maybe I should have put some reference or something else in there, who knows..

                                          but every other single service on the web that provides free mashing/blending does the same, so I didn't see much into it, I just did it better than the rest and saw more opportunities with it etc..

                                          Cheers

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                                  • Profile picture of the author Chris Koltai
                                    Originally Posted by peteinoz View Post

                                    thanks

                                    firstly see my post above about the capture solving, I described it as you were most likely typing your answer..

                                    Sure we can make the software more flexible in terms of what it does and how it does it, but each one of these extra flexibilities makes it harder for the end user, Ive chosen to do down the design path of as little interaction from end user as possible and let the software do the rest, which I think weve done quite well..

                                    As soon as you start adding more options, it makes it just that bit harder for people to get going.

                                    Once we are down the track a bit and lots of people are 100% familiar with it, I can then release more options, then when new people come along, the mass of existing users can help them via the forum easily. Right now the % of well established EVO II users to newbies is well over 100 to 1. in a couple of months it will be the other way around.

                                    This is what I learned from Linking Loophole software, very much newbies coming along and getting some amazing results in Google. with little to no seo previous experience. So that is my goal to continue this on, but with significantly more powerful seo software.

                                    Hope that helps reveal a bit more understanding of the strategy behind the design of the software etc.

                                    pete
                                    Thanks Pete, that definitely sheds some light on things. I understand that the simplicity is by design, and that's definitely a drawing factor for people new to automation software. The only things that I'd really like to see are a pause button and a stop button.

                                    Originally Posted by peteinoz View Post

                                    hey,, re 4. see my above post about the design of the software

                                    5. see my above post about how we use captures also..

                                    heres the thing I don't get,

                                    really its only 3 mins input time from user
                                    then shrink it down and leave it.. its creates a mass of links using many seo strategies many customers wouldn't even know about, and when its finnished it pops up the results.

                                    so at the end of the day its 3 mins of our time.. ??? how can that be a bad thing?

                                    even if it took 5 hours? we are not sitting there watching it, its doing it automatically, my full jobs take just over 2 hours.

                                    Cheers Pete
                                    I know what you mean. Like I said at the end of my previous post, in and of itself its fine. I'd have different things to say if this thread wasn't called "Bruteforce seo VS SEnuke", but considering the whole point of the thread is to compare the 2, SENuke takes the lead as far as speed goes.

                                    For people with only a few sites, that might not be a big deal, but I'm pushing 32 sites, and starting new ones weekly. At 2 hours per run, that's 64 hours a week if I run it weekly. For me, being able to get runs done in less time means I don't have to hover around the computer as much waiting to put in the data for the next run.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
                                      Originally Posted by Chris Koltai View Post

                                      Thanks Pete, that definitely sheds some light on things. I understand that the simplicity is by design, and that's definitely a drawing factor for people new to automation software. The only things that I'd really like to see are a pause button and a stop button.



                                      I know what you mean. Like I said at the end of my previous post, in and of itself its fine. I'd have different things to say if this thread wasn't called "Bruteforce seo VS SEnuke", but considering the whole point of the thread is to compare the 2, SENuke takes the lead as far as speed goes.

                                      For people with only a few sites, that might not be a big deal, but I'm pushing 32 sites, and starting new ones weekly. At 2 hours per run, that's 64 hours a week if I run it weekly. For me, being able to get runs done in less time means I don't have to hover around the computer as much waiting to put in the data for the next run.

                                      you can run multiple instance of it at once you know , that will significantly speed things up..

                                      we are thinking on the pause button, but to be honest, this could make it worse for the majority of the users, pausing it or stopping it, when its really not needed to.. e.g trying to fix something that doesn't need fixing..

                                      So its a tough call to make to implement it or not..

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                              • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                                Originally Posted by reapr View Post

                                Actually that would be a great idea.

                                I say take it a bit further the longer a subscriber is in the system the more their links get exposed! It would be nice to see the subscribers links being promoted instead and getting link juice instead.
                                Hmmm.

                                The obvious question now is:

                                Are the high rankings Pete gets for his sites (as per the training vids) a result of using BF/EVO, or are they the result of having links from all his paying members efforts?

                                I'm starting to think the latter.
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                                • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
                                  Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                                  Hmmm.

                                  The obvious question now is:

                                  Are the high rankings Pete gets for his sites (as per the training vids) a result of using BF/EVO, or are they the result of having links from all his paying members efforts?

                                  I'm starting to think the latter.

                                  you are joking right?

                                  why don't you try the software and see for yourself and make an exact reply based on information

                                  there are a TON of people getting the same results as I do.

                                  Btw,

                                  in reference to the supposed buggy software it works perfectly, it uses the IE modules.. so if you have updated IE on your computer and continue to delete cookies and temp files it works great..

                                  If the software crashes on 1 site, that means theres a script error on that site causing an error in IE. which then stops the software. If you go to that site manually in IE, and create an account of post to it, you will see this error in your browser, installing whatever is required fixes it, then EVO II works , thats not a software problem, its a IE problem, and the same will happen for any other Software that Uses IE to communicate with the sites.

                                  Takes 3 mins to setup EVO II, to do what it would normally take you 8 days to do.. with amazing results in google. Its as simple as that.

                                  Time valuable to you? then this is a great solution if you are promoting websites in the search engines..

                                  Sure its not for everyone, though its simple to use, and LOTS of people are very happy with it, and already making money using it without spending one red cent

                                  does it work? see my Linking Loophole WSO, to see if these people are happy or not.. that is only 1 of 5 modules EVO II employs..


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                                  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                                    Originally Posted by peteinoz View Post

                                    you are joking right?
                                    No. It's a valid question as well.

                                    Originally Posted by peteinoz View Post

                                    why don't you try the software and see for yourself and make an exact reply based on information
                                    I did. When it was in its BFSEO stage. Nothing in the new software inspires me to try this one out.

                                    I certainly would be interested to find out however how much of your sites ranking is from BF/EVO efforts and how much comes from links included on html2rss feeds. If you could let us know it would be much appreciated.

                                    Thanks.
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            • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
              Originally Posted by thmgoodw View Post

              You know, at first I loved html2rss, but lately it has been getting to me a bit. I'm not sure how many people realize this, but every single feed you create with html2rss.com (which is basically everything for Evo II and BFSEO), includes a link back to one of Peter Drew's products/sites, with the anchor text that he wants. Why do you think he is right behind paypal.com for "paypal affiliate"? So, in essence, we are actively promoting all of his sites. I am pretty sure that he might rule the planet one day with this ingenius method of having his paying subscribers advertise his sites for free.
              point 1. every service on the net that provides free mashing of content places one link back to their site at the bottom of their feeds. Each of my feeds also have only one link placed at the bottom of a feed.

              2. maybe you didn't notice though my links can be changed on the fly, so what you see today , you may not see tomorrow.

              Is there any thing wrong with the above? I don't see Im doing anything different than any other free service out there.

              I drop links in there at specific dates and track results , number of links rankings etc.

              Once I have enough data, if its positive enough, this well could be a free service I offer to my existing members.

              Btw I created the html2rss.com site soley for my LL members. to help them get even better rankings, which they do now enjoy.

              Cheers

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            • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
              Originally Posted by gtgpua View Post

              Does BFSEO have the option to use proxies, or is everything built on one ip?
              If not, will BFSEO have the option to use proxies in the near future?
              Or is this even an issue or does it even matter if everything is built on a different ip?
              How important is using proxies or different ip's to build everything?
              I have never once need to use proxies

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              • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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                I think she does a wonderful job in my forum, she's not paid to be there, she does it because she loves my products and gets amazing results using them.. ok.. so she's not 100% correct all the time.. are you?
                It's not about her being 100% correct all the time, it's about her trying to cover for the software's issues 100% of the time. It's pretty clear her groupie-ness is clouding her objectivity. If she doesn't know the answer to something, maybe she should refrain from making one up just because she doesn't want you to look bad.

                Now, having said that, I don't have any serious complaints with EVO. The only major issue I had was when captchas weren't being filled out a couple of days ago, and that seems to have been addressed. I have a few little quirky things going on now, but nothing that's keeping it from doing what it's supposed to be doing. I haven't gotten 37 yet, but usually get between 32-34 profile sites per run. Not getting as many rss links now for some reason though. Was getting 30 or more per run, now I'm getting between 5-8 per run.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Koltai
      Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

      After reading a little more in the forum over there, it seems they are using software to solve the captchas, and not actual people, which would explain 1.why it's slow, and 2. why it takes several tries to enter the right captcha sometimes.
      Originally Posted by thmgoodw View Post

      You are correct, it is a hard-coded captcha solving system. That being said, I really like SENuke's option of having a paying subscription if you want to.
      Interesting. I know SENuke's service is human provided, so I figured Pete's was the same. I guess it's probably substantially cheaper to use software, but it's definitely slower and less accurate in my experience.

      Originally Posted by thmgoodw View Post

      Yes its a fact. Every single one of my RSS feeds has the advertisement in it.

      What I just now noticed is that it rotates for each feed too. If you have an RSS feed open from html2rss, and click refresh in your browser, it will repopulate this last position/ad with one of a number of random self-promotional items.

      I'm not posting one of my RSS feeds here, but i'll PM to you Jeremey (considering i'm using your automated backlinks package and trust you

      These are the anchored links that are rotated ads I think:

      rss aggregator
      marketing software
      coolest guy on the planet
      twitter software
      campier trailer hire
      seo tips
      create rss feed
      best seo software
      paypal affiliate
      If I was paying for HTML2RSS, I'd be choked, but as a free service, I have to give Pete the nod here. That's one of the most brilliant ideas I've ever heard of for linkbuilding, and he can just pop in a new link any time he starts something new. Why do SEO when you can have your customers do it for you?

      Now, the fact that he sends all of your RSS from EVO II through there, thus getting himself tons of links from people who are paying to have that link juice diverted to their own sites, well, that's not very classy.

      Maybe create a version of HTML2RSS without that function and include it as part of the membership. Making your members pay $157 per month when you're getting almost as much out of their linkbuilding campaign as they are... Well, that takes cojones, for sure.

      Originally Posted by thmgoodw View Post

      So, against my better judgment perhaps, i started a thread on this at BFSEO. According to the mod, the link is actually to benefit us!! By 1-way linking TO these great sites, we are getting power to our newly created feeds, and that this was done solely to help us, and not to benefit the linked to sites.

      PHEW, that's a monkey off my back.:rolleyes: Some people are really drinking the kool-aid.
      Are you kidding? Well if that's true, maybe we should all just link to Pete's sites from all our domains and watch our rankings surge! BRB, writing the WSO up...
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        PHEW, that's a monkey off my back. Some people are really drinking the kool-aid.
        I believe his mod is swimming in it. She's actually claiming that the sites love it when we hammer them for profile links, and that they don't remove the profiles.

        lol...Actually pretty slick - Maybe he can make it so that all the users of the software sites rotate there as well?
        Yeah, he's going to get right on that I'm sure.

        RE: BF EVO2
        Canceled my subscription: @ $157pm overpriced, backlink portfolio very limited, support a bit arrogant, software to buggy at the moment.
        I'm going to stick it out for the full 7 days, and then cut it loose. Might check back in a month or so after the heat dies down, and to see if the bugs have been worked out. Hopefully a lot of folks will have dropped out by then and there won't be so many folks hammering the accounts like now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shawn Anderson
      I have used SeNuke in the past and am as well trying BF.

      SeNuke- Con- If you don't have a strategy or are willing to learn one, save your money. Pro - The crew over there work their butts off to keep things running as smoothly as possible. That and SeNukeX is due in a few months.

      BF- Love the profile and rss masher. Slow? Yep. If I keep it, another cpu is in order.

      Here is my latest concern though. Unless I am doing something wrong here, the forum has been temporarily disabled.

      Only 2.0 sites it will create for me are tumblr. WP, bloglines etc, no go. Though, my brother's creates all without fail. I use a proxy, he doesn't. I tried to help along WetPaint, and it crashed.

      Tried running it without posting to the profiles. Crashes everytime. Don't know what it is due to. I am now running it as I type with the profile's and see what happens.

      All in all, MASSIVE bugs, but i'm gonna stick it out for at least a month.

      -Shawn

      P.S. Clear your cookies between every run.
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        Crashed again.

        Would like to know if it is happening to everyone or if there is a bug in my system.

        Thanks, Shawn
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        • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
          Originally Posted by myshovel View Post

          Crashed again.

          Would like to know if it is happening to everyone or if there is a bug in my system.

          Thanks, Shawn

          It crashed the very first time I did it, but every run since then (about 10 or so) have finished. I'm only getting 2 "main" sites and about 15-16 profile sites at completion though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dlewis78
    Hi guys,

    Just signed up and am looking at purchasing possibly Senuke OR Brute force (not both, lol). I've been reading that Senuke is the better product. My question is, when I checked out the terms that Bruteforce was ranking in google for ("seo software" and "twitter software") Bruteforce was second on the first page. The term "seo software" and "twitter software" are very difficult to rank for, so it seems that BS is doing something right.

    However, Senuke ranked for "how do you get to the top pages of google" which I am sure is also a competitive phrase, but not as competitive as "seo software." Also, on the sales pages Senuke emphasized more about bringing traffic and BS emphasized about rankings.

    So what are the goals of each software? Traffic or rankings? Is Bruteforce more about getting ranked on google/yahoo and Senuke more about getting traffic from social bookmarkings? Can you rank on the first page of google with Senuke for competitive keywords? What am I missing?
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    • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
      Originally Posted by Dlewis78 View Post

      Hi guys,

      Just signed up and am looking at purchasing possibly Senuke OR Brute force (not both, lol). I've been reading that Senuke is the better product. My question is, when I checked out the terms that Bruteforce was ranking in google for ("seo software" and "twitter software") Bruteforce was second on the first page. The term "seo software" and "twitter software" are very difficult to rank for, so it seems that BS is doing something right.
      Note if you reread about the last 10 posts you will see that the terms "seo software" and "twitter software" probably appear in about 1 million RSS feeds at the moment due to html2rss.com adding in those links to all rss feeds. Don't think your experience will be simiilar.
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    RE: BF EVO2
    Canceled my subscription: @ $157pm overpriced, backlink portfolio very limited, support a bit arrogant, software to buggy at the moment.
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  • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
    This software communicates with and creates accounts on a massive amount of websites and promotes YOUR websites via them.

    Once you get your IE used to working with them, the software works flawlessly, the simplest way to do this is to update to IE8 with most sites are designed to use anway.

    If you have IE 6, your IE will most likely have errors on page, resulting in EVO II or any software that relies on IE modules to stop..

    its not rocket science.

    Btw, one of the main problems users are experiencing is trying to stop the software to fix one error on just one site out over over 100. This is not a good idea., users are getting in the way of the software doing its job through to the end.

    Start it, let it finish, all done
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Koltai
      Originally Posted by peteinoz View Post

      This software communicates with and creates accounts on a massive amount of websites and promotes YOUR websites via them.

      Once you get your IE used to working with them, the software works flawlessly, the simplest way to do this is to update to IE8 with most sites are designed to use anway.

      If you have IE 6, your IE will most likely have errors on page, resulting in EVO II or any software that relies on IE modules to stop..

      its not rocket science.

      Btw, one of the main problems users are experiencing is trying to stop the software to fix one error on just one site out over over 100. This is not a good idea., users are getting in the way of the software doing its job through to the end.

      Start it, let it finish, all done
      Pete, that's all well and good, but it doesn't really address the issues that people have been complaining about. In no particular order:

      1) The captcha-breaking is unreliable, and rather than skipping sites, it will hang asking for you to enter the captcha manually.

      2) The articles EVO pulls are often completely unrelated to the topic and look spammy. If there's any degree of moderation on the sites EVO posts to, the articles (and our links with them) are unlikely to stick.

      3) Rather than having some kind of inbuilt way of caching where you are in the submission process and just closing the offending window when there's one of those IE errors that you mentioned, the software crashes completely and you have to restart.

      4) The software literally has no tolerance for user intervention. Some people like to exercise a bit more control over their linkbuilding, or would prefer to take 5 seconds to fix something that isn't working right on one of the sites so that they can get another link out of the run or to stop it from hanging. There's no pause button... Not even a stop button.

      5) Speed. There have been a number of people in here that have had issues with the length of time EVO takes to jump between sites and get its work done. The length of time it takes to break captchas (the one area where doing it manually is usually faster) exacerbates this issue.

      Don't take this the wrong way. There's more done right than wrong in EVO II. The interface is the best of any automation software I've used, and the idea of integrating static accounts for some sites and dynamic for others is great. The software DOES do what it's supposed to do, for the most part, and I'd much rather use EVO than do everything by hand.

      This would be more than enough if EVO existed in a market without competition. The problem is, as soon as there is a competitor, comparisons are inevitably drawn. At some point, one of the available options is going to be heralded as superior, and they will gain the market share for that particular niche. If you've read the posts on this thread, you know where the general consensus seems to be standing on that issue.

      In closing, Pete, you've got a great piece of software in EVO. If you work out the kinks with the above issues, I don't doubt that you'll be able to take the alpha spot.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Originally Posted by Chris Koltai View Post




        4) The software literally has no tolerance for user intervention. Some people like to exercise a bit more control over their linkbuilding, or would prefer to take 5 seconds to fix something that isn't working right on one of the sites so that they can get another link out of the run or to stop it from hanging. There's no pause button... Not even a stop button.
        I'm sure Pete will comment, but....

        With this type of software, you just let it do what it does - You don't intervene.

        If it has 100 sites and posts successfully to 73 of them - You say, job well done and call it a day.

        I see so many people get hung up on ONE site or even a COUPLE sites not working that they don't see the big picture of all the other sites that were actually created.
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      • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
        Originally Posted by Chris Koltai View Post

        Pete, that's all well and good, but it doesn't really address the issues that people have been complaining about. In no particular order:

        1) The captcha-breaking is unreliable, and rather than skipping sites, it will hang asking for you to enter the captcha manually.

        2) The articles EVO pulls are often completely unrelated to the topic and look spammy. If there's any degree of moderation on the sites EVO posts to, the articles (and our links with them) are unlikely to stick.

        3) Rather than having some kind of inbuilt way of caching where you are in the submission process and just closing the offending window when there's one of those IE errors that you mentioned, the software crashes completely and you have to restart.

        4) The software literally has no tolerance for user intervention. Some people like to exercise a bit more control over their linkbuilding, or would prefer to take 5 seconds to fix something that isn't working right on one of the sites so that they can get another link out of the run or to stop it from hanging. There's no pause button... Not even a stop button.

        5) Speed. There have been a number of people in here that have had issues with the length of time EVO takes to jump between sites and get its work done. The length of time it takes to break captchas (the one area where doing it manually is usually faster) exacerbates this issue.

        Don't take this the wrong way. There's more done right than wrong in EVO II. The interface is the best of any automation software I've used, and the idea of integrating static accounts for some sites and dynamic for others is great. The software DOES do what it's supposed to do, for the most part, and I'd much rather use EVO than do everything by hand.

        This would be more than enough if EVO existed in a market without competition. The problem is, as soon as there is a competitor, comparisons are inevitably drawn. At some point, one of the available options is going to be heralded as superior, and they will gain the market share for that particular niche. If you've read the posts on this thread, you know where the general consensus seems to be standing on that issue.

        In closing, Pete, you've got a great piece of software in EVO. If you work out the kinks with the above issues, I don't doubt that you'll be able to take the alpha spot.
        thanks

        firstly see my post above about the capture solving, I described it as you were most likely typing your answer..

        Sure we can make the software more flexible in terms of what it does and how it does it, but each one of these extra flexibilities makes it harder for the end user, Ive chosen to do down the design path of as little interaction from end user as possible and let the software do the rest, which I think weve done quite well..

        As soon as you start adding more options, it makes it just that bit harder for people to get going.

        Once we are down the track a bit and lots of people are 100% familiar with it, I can then release more options, then when new people come along, the mass of existing users can help them via the forum easily. Right now the % of well established EVO II users to newbies is well over 100 to 1. in a couple of months it will be the other way around.

        This is what I learned from Linking Loophole software, very much newbies coming along and getting some amazing results in Google. with little to no seo previous experience. So that is my goal to continue this on, but with significantly more powerful seo software.

        Hope that helps reveal a bit more understanding of the strategy behind the design of the software etc.

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      • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
        Originally Posted by Chris Koltai View Post

        4) The software literally has no tolerance for user intervention. Some people like to exercise a bit more control over their linkbuilding, or would prefer to take 5 seconds to fix something that isn't working right on one of the sites so that they can get another link out of the run or to stop it from hanging. There's no pause button... Not even a stop button.

        5) Speed. There have been a number of people in here that have had issues with the length of time EVO takes to jump between sites and get its work done. The length of time it takes to break captchas (the one area where doing it manually is usually faster) exacerbates this issue.
        hey,, re 4. see my above post about the design of the software

        5. see my above post about how we use captures also..

        heres the thing I don't get,

        really its only 3 mins input time from user
        then shrink it down and leave it.. its creates a mass of links using many seo strategies many customers wouldn't even know about, and when its finnished it pops up the results.

        so at the end of the day its 3 mins of our time.. ??? how can that be a bad thing?

        even if it took 5 hours? we are not sitting there watching it, its doing it automatically, my full jobs take just over 2 hours.

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        • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
          I don't get it either. I haven't noticed any problems with CAPTCHA solving because I set it and walk away. I have it running on it's own computer. Come back around 2 hours later, it's done. Start another one...

          The one time I thought it crashed was because Windows decided to take over my computer and do an update in the middle of a BruteForce run.

          I've been confused from the beggining about the generally negative comments towards Brute Force SEO in this thread. I love it so far. Too soon to tell what results I'll get from it yet. And that's the bottom line.

          But, it's been running like a charm so far for me. Maybe because I updated everything like it says in the PDF. Much smoother operation than SENuke (which I also love).



          Originally Posted by peteinoz View Post

          hey,, re 4. see my above post about the design of the software

          heres the thing I don't get,

          really its only 3 mins input time from user
          then shrink it down and leave it.. its creates a mass of links using many seo strategies many customers wouldn't even know about, and when its finnished it pops up the results.

          so at the end of the day its 3 mins of our time.. ??? how can that be a bad thing?

          even if it took 5 hours? we are not sitting there watching it, its doing it automatically, my full jobs take just over 2 hours.

          Cheers Pete
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          • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
            Originally Posted by PeteNY View Post

            I don't get it either. I haven't noticed any problems with CAPTCHA solving because I set it and walk away. I have it running on it's own computer. Come back around 2 hours later, it's done. Start another one...

            The one time I thought it crashed was because Windows decided to take over my computer and do an update in the middle of a BruteForce run.

            I've been confused from the beggining about the generally negative comments towards Brute Force SEO in this thread. I love it so far. Too soon to tell what results I'll get from it yet. And that's the bottom line.

            But, it's been running like a charm so far for me. Maybe because I updated everything like it says in the PDF. Much smoother operation than SENuke (which I also love).
            thanks peter

            Look forward to seeing your results in G

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          • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
            Not to be harsh, but this is a comment from someone who doesn't understand the basic forum rules (a forum he's been a member of since Feb.) about no affiliate links in signatures. You can't honestly not know this was a rule.

            To reiterate, the issues i'm having with Evo II are:

            (1) it is consistently posting duplicate links in the profile sites. I'm getting 7 links instead of 3. 4 of these duplicates. I know this problem is happening to many people. I submitted a support ticket on this 3 days ago and haven't gotten a reply back.

            (2) a good percentage of users are getting very low success rates in the posting; when they ask what is going on in the forums, they don't get an answer. My average run today (out of 4 runs) was 2 successful sites of the "main" sites (out of 5), and 17 successful profile backlinks (out of 47).

            (3) Peter submitted a supposed "run" of his where he got 37 successful profile backlinks (out of 47). I commented that I was getting anywhere between 15-25 on each of my runs, and I would like to know how Peter gets such fantastic results. The main moderator, who has to spin *everything*, would only respond with something along the lines of "it would take forever to do this by hand". She never once addressed the question, which was, why was Peter's results so much higher than every other new user (or at least the ones posting the forums). She always spun it.

            (4) the forums are riddled with comments from people who have had difficulty installing the software after several days and no response to their support tickets. I for one had difficulty installing Evo II (turned out to be a compatability issue with XP Service Pack 2). Support offered no guidance other than turn off your antivirus/spyware. I finally got support from some other new member in the forum that had the same issue and figured it out on his own.

            (5) html2rss.com is basically adding spammy links to each one of our feeds. I doubt very many users of Evo II know that they are advertising for Camper Trailer Hires.

            (6) don't use the excuse that adding these stupid advertisements are for our benefit. I would have been OK if your mod Teri simply said something like "Yes, we know we put them in their. Since html2rss is a free service, we were looking for ways to monetize the service." That's an acceptable answer. Instead though, your mod has to spin it so as to put it all back on us saying that the spammy links were for our own benefit. That is just wrong in so many ways. Its nice to have mods who support your product, but ones who appear so blatantly oblivious to potential issues comes across horribly.


            I hope there is some rational explanation for the above.

            Originally Posted by PeteNY View Post

            I don't get it either. I haven't noticed any problems with CAPTCHA solving because I set it and walk away. I have it running on it's own computer. Come back around 2 hours later, it's done. Start another one...

            The one time I thought it crashed was because Windows decided to take over my computer and do an update in the middle of a BruteForce run.

            I've been confused from the beggining about the generally negative comments towards Brute Force SEO in this thread. I love it so far. Too soon to tell what results I'll get from it yet. And that's the bottom line.

            But, it's been running like a charm so far for me. Maybe because I updated everything like it says in the PDF. Much smoother operation than SENuke (which I also love).
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            • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
              Originally Posted by thmgoodw View Post


              (1) it is consistently posting duplicate links in the profile sites. I'm getting 7 links instead of 3. 4 of these duplicates. I know this problem is happening to many people. I submitted a support ticket on this 3 days ago and haven't gotten a reply back.
              this is not a concern in regards to getting sites to rank whatsoever. I have tested it.

              though to keep members happy we released a new update 3 hours ago where this is resolved.. Ver .6.0




              (2) a good percentage of users are getting very low success rates in the posting; when they ask what is going on in the forums, they don't get an answer. My average run today (out of 4 runs) was 2 successful sites of the "main" sites (out of 5), and 17 successful profile backlinks (out of 47).
              read my posts about about Internet Explorer etc.

              (3) Peter submitted a supposed "run" of his where he got 37 successful profile backlinks (out of 47). I commented that I was getting anywhere between 15-25 on each of my runs, and I would like to know how Peter gets such fantastic results. The main moderator, who has to spin *everything*, would only respond with something along the lines of "it would take forever to do this by hand". She never once addressed the question, which was, why was Peter's results so much higher than every other new user (or at least the ones posting the forums). She always spun it.
              are you kidding me? what do you mean by supposed? are you implying that i just made up those links? If so, you'd better have some hard evidence

              I just did that same run again, before the released update today and got the same results.

              LOTS of people are..

              read my above posts about Internet Explorer, and you can get the same results for 3 mins entry work...


              (4) the forums are riddled with comments from people who have had difficulty installing the software after several days and no response to their support tickets. I for one had difficulty installing Evo II (turned out to be a compatability issue with XP Service Pack 2). Support offered no guidance other than turn off your antivirus/spyware. I finally got support from some other new member in the forum that had the same issue and figured it out on his own.
              This issue you are mentioning was addressed in the latest update.

              (5) html2rss.com is basically adding spammy links to each one of our feeds. I doubt very many users of Evo II know that they are advertising for Camper Trailer Hires.
              read my above posts about html2rss.com



              (6) don't use the excuse that adding these stupid advertisements are for our benefit. I would have been OK if your mod Teri simply said something like "Yes, we know we put them in their. Since html2rss is a free service, we were looking for ways to monetize the service." That's an acceptable answer. Instead though, your mod has to spin it so as to put it all back on us saying that the spammy links were for our own benefit. That is just wrong in so many ways. Its nice to have mods who support your product, but ones who appear so blatantly oblivious to potential issues comes across horribly.
              Ive got no idea where that came from. in no way would I say it benefits others, read my above posts about html2rss.com

              I think she does a wonderful job in my forum, she's not paid to be there, she does it because she loves my products and gets amazing results using them.. ok.. so she's not 100% correct all the time.. are you?

              I hope there is some rational explanation for the above.
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              • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
                Pete-

                (1) the issue with respect to the duplicate links had nothing to do with ranking, it has to do with p*ssing off the site owners. No need for 7 links when 3 will do.

                (2) Re: Internet Explorer -- I use IE8, have .net 3.5 installed, use CCleaner between each. Please tell me what else I need to do to get more than 16 LL sites to come through and i'll do it. Every single time someone gets bad results it is always the user's fault, and of course could have nothing to do with the software. So what other "3 minute work" should we be doing?

                (3) as for "supposed", i just found those results very hard to believe when there was a new thread starting every 20 minutes about how someone was only getting 10-12 LL site successes per run.

                (4) Re: the spammy addon links in html2rss helping us, the users. I never said you said that. I said that is what your moderator was spewing in the forums as the rational for the inclusion of the links. Perhaps you should reign her in with the kool-aid. She should have just been straight with us. I'm not sure if she was told that or she just made it up. Here is the thread: http://seofightclub.bruteforceseo.co...ead.php?t=2993

                (5) Example 1: Aggregator 1 has html2rss function, and includes link back to aggregator in rss feed.

                Example 2: Aggregator 2 has html2rss function, and includes links to other sites that the owner is trying to rank high in the SERPS, like "Camper Trailer Hires", and then owner uses other software created by him that happens to utlize this new rss feed on a massive scale, without telling each of the users who pay over $100/month for the service.

                Do I need to explain the difference between these scenarios?

                In any event, it is awfully late here. I will try the new updated version of the software in the morning and it lives up the hype, I will gladly post it here. Just trying to get to the bottom of all this.
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                • Profile picture of the author thmgoodw
                  As promised, here is my update on my latest run. I wanted to try it before heading off to bed.

                  Running IE8, .net 3.5, XP SP3, cleared out everything with CCleaner, using 15MB/15MB fiber optic (Verizon Fios) internet connection.

                  As instructed, I uninstalled the previous version and installed the new version.

                  Here is my report:


                  "Hi guys-

                  So, I updated my Evo II to the latest version (after an uninstall of course). I cleaned out all of my cookies/temp files with CCleaner. I'm running XP SP3 on a 15MB/15MB connection.

                  Only tumblr and wetpaint created of the "main 5".

                  It returned only 17 profile links out of 47, although **** account was disabled by the time I checked the profile immediately after the run.

                  The duplicate posting was partially corrected. Previously I was getting 7 anchored links, with 3 duplicates of my main URL. This time I am getting 4 anchored links, with 1 duplicate of my main URL.

                  To be honest, I was hoping for much better results than what was happening before, but unfortunately still falling short."

                  I had high expectations after Peter's latest update too. *sigh*

                  I have submitted a support ticket as well on this (as mod Teri always requests).
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            • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
              My recommendation for Brute Force SEO is honest and sincere. My 7 day trial is up tomorrow and I'm going to keep it. I pre-paid about $1000 for a 2 year subscription. So, yeah I believe it's a valuable piece of software and I'm betting my money that it will make my investment back several times over (If it doesn't it will probably be my own fault).

              Despite the negative comments in this thread, I'd suggest warrior forum readers check out the software for themselves. Be sure to read the instructions about updating your computer in the pdf. And, make up your own mind if it's for you. I've included a non-affiliate link in my signature.

              As far as me not knowing about the affiliate link policy... Click on the FAQ or Help section above and type in any combination of "Signature" and/or "Affiliate Link". I found nothing saying affiliate links weren't allowed. But, now I know. I only occasionally check into the Warrior forum. I'm not here all the time.

              Hope that cleared up any misunderstanding!

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              Originally Posted by thmgoodw View Post

              Not to be harsh, but this is a comment from someone who doesn't understand the basic forum rules (a forum he's been a member of since Feb.) about no affiliate links in signatures. You can't honestly not know this was a rule.
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              • Profile picture of the author wfguy
                I'm going agree with PeteNY above. I've been on the trial since Wednesday and I'm going to hang on to my 2 year subscription for about a thousand dollars.

                Here is my summary:
                I've got a lot of sites to promote. I need a powerful and simple automation tool like EVO. I can set it up and forget it while it works for 2+ hours.

                I've been getting a high level of success (maybe 80 to 85%) with the site creation.

                I've not been thrilled with the support, but I just had a modest problem that seems to have been solved with the last update.

                I've also seen a lot of people complain about SENuke on various forums but it sounds like it is an overall good program too.

                I have a fresh clean computer with Win7 and IE8 and I clear out IE8 every time.
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                • Profile picture of the author reapr
                  3 posts as of this response ... welcome aboard!

                  Sounds like your fully vested in EVO!




                  Originally Posted by wfguy View Post

                  I'm going agree with PeteNY above. I've been on the trial since Wednesday and I'm going to hang on to my 2 year subscription for about a thousand dollars.

                  Here is my summary:
                  I've got a lot of sites to promote. I need a powerful and simple automation tool like EVO. I can set it up and forget it while it works for 2+ hours.

                  I've been getting a high level of success (maybe 80 to 85%) with the site creation.

                  I've not been thrilled with the support, but I just had a modest problem that seems to have been solved with the last update.

                  I've also seen a lot of people complain about SENuke on various forums but it sounds like it is an overall good program too.

                  I have a fresh clean computer with Win7 and IE8 and I clear out IE8 every time.
                  Thanks Peter Drew!
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    • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
      Originally Posted by CashgiftingStar View Post

      I've been testing this EVO II for about four days now.It's been working without a hitch other than when I first installed it,until i got the update.I wanted to ask pete what the timeline was for results.I am new to IM so I don't know what to expect.
      Hi, there is no hard fast rules, but as noted in the PDf, you will get an initial high listing, try to catch that as explained in the PDF, it may drop a bit then come back very nicely

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    i think senuke is much better than Bruteforceseo
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    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Meyer
      Two things I'm wondering with EvoII

      First it doesn't look like you add your own article, seems strange.
      How many sites total does it post to.

      Also wondering how many total sites SE Nuke post to if all modules are used?

      I probably should read more about them but maybe a quick answer here
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Ayres
        Originally Posted by Stephen Meyer View Post

        Two things I'm wondering with EvoII

        First it doesn't look like you add your own article, seems strange.
        How many sites total does it post to.

        Also wondering how many total sites SE Nuke post to if all modules are used?

        I probably should read more about them but maybe a quick answer here
        Evo2 you can add your own articles and download ones instead
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      • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
        You can add your own articles to Brute Force SEO if you want to. Only thing it doesnt do is submit multiple spun articles like SENuke does. I assume because the Brute Force people didn't deem it necessary. If your
        philosophy differs, Brute Force SEO might not be for you.

        I wouldn't necessarily judge them by how many sites they submit to. And they both change month to month. But since you asked...

        SENuke has 341 sites that are no-follow in the profile nuke. So if you don't count them as much, here is the general breakdown...

        -Brute Force SEO-
        47 High PR Sites
        5 Main Sites
        10 Article
        13 Social
        14 RSS
        11 Video
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        100 Total

        -SENuke-
        31 Websites
        9 Article Directory Sites
        8 Video Sites
        21 Bookmarking sites
        16 RSS Sites
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        85 Total (Not including the 341+ No follow Profile Nuke sites)

        Originally Posted by Stephen Meyer View Post

        Two things I'm wondering with EvoII

        First it doesn't look like you add your own article, seems strange.
        How many sites total does it post to.

        Also wondering how many total sites SE Nuke post to if all modules are used?
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        • Profile picture of the author Stephen Meyer
          Tried BF EVO last night. Out of the 47 High PR sites only managed a couple dozen. Also took note of the links put on these sites and will say this is not the right way to add a link. For links to remain they need to be relevant to topics and discussions. This is better done manually. The rest was OK but not all that great.

          Not sure why neither of them don't submit to more do-follow web 2 sites. there are a lot of them out there.

          At this point I'm thinking doing it the old fashioned way that is far less like spam and is the best option.

          As far as the auto-articles BFE supplies, why? I'm not into duplicating someone else's work or promoting them. Write your own articles, that's by far the best way.

          And the links in the RSS submission, I charge $30.00 a month to advertise other peoples links. So a nice discount off the $157.00 is in order.

          The whole idea of social posting is to both create backlinks and to brand yourself. Sell yourself first and you can easily sell your product. You can get some backlinks with both of these programs but, from what I've seen, this isn't the way to brand yourself. Unless you don't mind appearing a little weird.

          Should I decide to buy one of them I'm afraid BFE let me down just a little.

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  • Profile picture of the author bluenetworx
    Hi Stephen,

    I tried the 7 day trial of EVOII and I refunded it, as I didn't think it was that great an SEO tool to be honest.

    It posts profile links for your on high PR sites, but in such a way that they look majorly spammy and risk deletion. Also if takes random articles and posts this content to sites like Tumblr and places your link in them and keeps the original author's link also.

    It them creates RSS feeds and like an earlier poster mentioned does something pretty checky/clever with the links to points links at their own sites, but regardless they still create RSS feeds and mash them up and get links.

    Only problem I have is that if you are in competitive niches where you needs a solid SEO plan, then this tool is perhaps a nice little add on, but it aint no one stop solution, that's for sure. It posts to a set number of sites, which means you don't get much IP address diversity in your links, which is not great.

    I asked this in their forum but never got a good response from the administrators. I also emailed their support and they never got back to me.

    I think for easy keywords it does have value though.

    That's just my opinion, but as I said I did invite discussion from them and never got it, instead got something along the lines of "check it these results!! They rock!!" and I am no into hype, I like evidence and facts.

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Clifford
    I'm quite new on this site, so don't flame me but;

    I've been using EVO2 for the past few days, and although I can't speak as to how good it is against SENuke, what I do know is EVO2 is easy to use and the support is better than I could have expected. I had some problems with crashing and IE errors. Then upgraded to IEv8 and its been fine ever since. Out of the 5 support tickets I've raised 3 were issues, 2 were me being an idiot...but what I can say is that they were answered same day, within a few hours with quality responses.

    For me at an intermediate level its a great tool, and I'm really surprised at some of these comments in this thread?

    I've now set my site up as an affiliate and started tracking progress myself on a new site, and we'll see where it ends up in a few days - as they say the proof is in the pudding.
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  • Profile picture of the author ttippmann
    Who is really having success with these when it comes to actual SEO? Seems like you can create backlinks in these profiles until you are blue in the face, but it seems that google doesn't find them very often. I subscribed to receive backlink notifications through google and noticed very few after several weeks of SENuke.

    Anyone else?
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    • Profile picture of the author PeteNY
      I don't believe Google reports all the links they find. You might want to try Yahoo Site Explorer for a more accurate overall picture. But even with that, it does seem like only a small fraction of the backlinks show up.

      I got my keyphrase to hit #1 in Google last month with SENuke. So, it worked for me. Hope to use Brute Force SEO with SENuke to do the same thing, with less effort.


      Originally Posted by ttippmann View Post

      Who is really having success with these when it comes to actual SEO? Seems like you can create backlinks in these profiles until you are blue in the face, but it seems that google doesn't find them very often. I subscribed to receive backlink notifications through google and noticed very few after several weeks of SENuke.

      Anyone else?
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    • Profile picture of the author Teriss
      Did you check your AW stats? Try EVO II, it worked for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author bluenetworx
    Profile Links for get picked up, I am totally convinced of that now. I have been using them and setting up weird user names, and then after a week or two searching in Google for that name, and I find loads of my profiles, even when back link checkers and Google alerts tell me otherwise.
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