Penny Traffic by Trey Smith?

13 years ago

It's probably ad networks using PPV or CPV or pay/cost per view. Not worth $200. These people always act like they have some new secret traffic formula when it's rehashed crap.

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MatthewNeer

13 years ago

You said it bro, my feelings exactly. Not worth $200 bucks, thats why I wanted to figure out exactly what network he's using. I suspect CPA/PPV as well, any good resources for good CPA/PPV networks?

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by MatthewNeer

You said it bro, my feelings exactly. Not worth $200 bucks, thats why I wanted to figure out exactly what network he's using. I suspect CPA/PPV as well, any good resources for good CPA/PPV networks?

If it's not worth $200 bucks to you then figure out your own system. Trying to get the "big secret" that he is selling is just an attempt at pirating his product by trying to get someone who bought it to tell you what's in it.

Use your own brains if the product is not worth the money.

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Jay2006 13 years ago

I agree. I think it's a bit cheesy to trash someone's offer, say it's not worth it, without ever having seen the offer.

I can't speak for this offer of Trey's. But I do know that he puts out quality material that works. I've bought some of his products and never been disappointed.

I also believe he always offers a money back guarantee.

So instead of trashing someone's offer (which is rather rude anyway if you haven't even seen it), perhaps the best thing to do is give it a try. You can always get your money back if it doesn't work for you.

More people complain and moan that they make no money on the Internet and how the gurus are all fake etc etc etc. If they spent the same amount of energy actually TRYING some of these programs as they do bashing them. Then they might find, to their surprise that their lifestyle really dramatically change - just as advertised.

Sure, some products suck and aren't worth $1.97 much less $197. But you'll never know unless you truly give it a try.

I vote for refraining from bashing offers you know nothing about until you've given them a try for yourself. That's only fair. I'm sure some people will disagree with me. But it's just my humble opinion.

Just for the record I DO understand the skepticism going around on the Internet. I've been burned too. But I hung in there, gave things a fair chance, and I now make a killing on line. Haven't had a boss in 8 years.

You can do the same but you have to DO something rather than criticize people and products when you don't have full information about what's on offer.
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timpears

13 years ago

I would say that he is selling the penny clicks on Google. Which is nothing more than Google Content Network banner ads. You can get the same thing in the WSO Forum for around $20+/-. If you need a link and can't find it with the search function, let me know and I will get it for you.

It could also be PPV, and although the traffic is very cheap, you pay for impressions, not click through such as you do with Content Network. The traffic is still quite cheap, but as I said in the previous paragraph, you can get the same thing in the WSO Forum. One of them is called Rogue Marketing. I got that one and it is pretty detailed.

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

So...

You don't want to BUY the product, but if somebody else KNOWS what it is, you don't mind NOT paying for it?

Not cool.

It may seem like a harmless request, but it smacks of underhandedness, and isn't what I would describe as a "best practice" by ant stretch of the imagination.

Guys, what if somebody did that with your product?

Furthermore, the fact that the OP is accpeting GUESSES as though that's what the product really is is downright laughable.

The people responding are only guessing.

Next, there is a specific section of the Warrior Forum fr reviews, which is kind of what this thread is supposed to be (now I'm guessing).

THEN, to top THAT off, somebody assumes the person mentioned in the OP is somehow a crooked seller. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but Rule #1 is there to keep this kind of thing from happening.

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p.s. I don't want to buy "The Secret Affiliate Code" could somebody tell me what it is? Maybe send me a copy if they don't feel like explaining it?

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

So...

You don't want to BUY the product, but if somebody else KNOWS what it is, you don't mind NOT paying for it?

Not cool.

It may seem like a harmless request, but it smacks of underhandedness, and isn't what I would describe as a "best practice" by ant stretch of the imagination.

Guys, what if somebody did that with your product?

Furthermore, the fact that the OP is accpeting GUESSES as though that's what the product really is is downright laughable.

The people responding are only guessing.

Next, there is a specific section of the Warrior Forum fr reviews, which is kind of what this thread is supposed to be (now I'm guessing).

THEN, to top THAT off, somebody assumes the person mentioned in the OP is somehow a crooked seller. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but Rule #1 is there to keep this kind of thing from happening.

All the best,
Michael

p.s. I don't want to buy "The Secret Affiliate Code" could somebody tell me what it is? Maybe send me a copy if they don't feel like explaining it?

Seems like you need a Rule #1 refresher yourself.

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Michael Oksa 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

Seems like you need a Rule #1 refresher yourself.

Not yet, but I always seem to get REAL close when responding to a certain Warrior.

There's something about their incessantly negative attitude and borderline troll-like posts that really gets under my skin. But, I'm guessing that's what they want.

I would tell them to put a sock in it, but that's not my style.

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p.s. If I'm breaking Rule #1 then report me.
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Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

p.s. I don't want to buy "The Secret Affiliate Code" could somebody tell me what it is? Maybe send me a copy if they don't feel like explaining it?

Michael, the secret code is "12Zebras574Q." Shhhhh, please don't tell anyone.

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Rob Howard

13 years ago

I purchased it.

Newbie level coursed at introducing you to PPV to CPA. Not worth 200, at all, in my opinion.

47? Maybe.

But not 200.

Just my thoughts.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by ccmusicman

I purchased it.

Newbie level coursed at introducing you to PPV to CPA. Not worth 200, at all, in my opinion.

47? Maybe.

But not 200.

Just my thoughts.

Rob

A PPV to CPA course ?

WOW, cool, I love it when somebody releases something new....

Don't mind Trey, good luck to the man but jeez, hasn't it been
truly done to death now.

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Dayne Dylan

Banned 13 years ago

I'm really losing my respect for these "guru" marketers.

$197 to learn about PPV traffic? Give me a break. All the info you need is here in this forum and one other forum I will not name.

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dayne Dylan

I'm really losing my respect for these "guru" marketers.

$197 to learn about PPV traffic? Give me a break. All the info you need is here in this forum and one other forum I will not name.

IF you want to sort through all of the posts and seemingly conflicting information.

For that matter, let's all stop buying and selling. All the info we need is right here. And the truth is, that the info you need IS here, but it's scattered and in no particular order.

I'm not referring to the course in question, but in general terms. For anybody that doesn't value their time...go ahead, keep your money. Learn from your trial and error. Dig through all the posts and figure out what's what.

But if you do value your time, then consider making that next purchase.

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

IF you want to sort through all of the posts and seemingly conflicting information.

For that matter, let's all stop buying and selling. All the info we need is right here. And the truth is, that the info you need IS here, but it's scattered and in no particular order.

I'm not referring to the course in question, but in general terms. For anybody that doesn't value their time...go ahead, keep your money. Learn from your trial and error. Dig through all the posts and figure out what's what.

But if you do value your time, then consider making that next purchase.

All the best,
Michael

It's amazing what the "search" function can do here on the Warrior Forum to find the info you need to get started in many aspects of IM and even PPV. That is what I have done and it has paid off very nicely for me. Time? Didn't take that long at all. And sure as heck didn't cost me $197. But to each his/her own...that's just me.

I think one gets to the point of buying all these info products and reading, reading, reading...when the real trick is action, action, action.

Just my two cents.

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dayne Dylan

It's amazing what the "search" function can do here on the Warrior Forum to find the info you need to get started in many aspects of IM and even PPV. That is what I have done and it has paid off very nicely for me. Time? Didn't take that long at all. And sure as heck didn't cost me $197. But to each his/her own...that's just me.

I think one gets to the point of buying all these info products and reading, reading, reading...when the real trick is action, action, action.

Just my two cents.

LOL

Well, we are assuming people know how to use the search function. I've seen way too much evidence to the contrary.

Yet, there are people who prefer to buy one product to save the time of reading through 100s of posts - most of which contain NO valuable information.

But you are 100%, 100%, 100% right when you say people need to take action, action, action.

No doubt about it.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

LOL

Well, we are assuming people know how to use the search function. I've seen way too much evidence to the contrary.

Yet, there are people who prefer to buy one product to save the time of reading through 100s of posts - most of which contain NO valuable information.

Gratitude,

Maybe somebody should release a course "How to use Search function in WF"?
I suggest $197

Jan

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

IF you want to sort through all of the posts and seemingly conflicting information.

For that matter, let's all stop buying and selling. All the info we need is right here. And the truth is, that the info you need IS here, but it's scattered and in no particular order.

I'm not referring to the course in question, but in general terms. For anybody that doesn't value their time...go ahead, keep your money. Learn from your trial and error. Dig through all the posts and figure out what's what.

But if you do value your time, then consider making that next purchase.

All the best,
Michael

In case you guys missed it...

Some of the most expensive (and most valuable) products out there are culminations of hours of time sorting through data and working out the facts from the fiction.

You're going to pay for the information either way.... Whether it's via you're time (non refundable), or your money....

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topskyca

13 years ago

I guess it happens to a lot of people that some guru is promising a huge discovery, and once you purchase it, you realize "I already know that! It ain't a secret to me"

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keithdougherty

13 years ago

Well people need to realize that they have all the need to be successful. But these guys use big promises and savvy marketing to make you think you are getting a $2000 course for $197, when the same info is here for free or for a few dollars.

People need to have the confidence and the mindset coupled with a plan to get there. Otherwise you jump at every pie in the sky dream and hope that it will be the next best thing to make you money.

Just my "penny" advice.

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Michael Oksa

13 years ago

Originally Posted by keithdougherty

Well people need to realize that they have all the need to be successful. But these guys use big promises and savvy marketing to make you think you are getting a $2000 course for $197, when the same info is here for free or for a few dollars.

People need to have the confidence and the mindset coupled with a plan to get there. Otherwise you jump at every pie in the sky dream and hope that it will be the next best thing to make you money.

Just my "penny" advice.

You're right, Keith. But, what if that $197 is the catalyst somebody needs to get that confidence?

Just a thought.

Don't get me wrong, I know there's a lot overpriced junk out there. But prior to Rob's response, there were only guesses being made (and accepted as fact).

However, even Rob, or you, or me thinks it's overpriced, perhaps that's because we already have a good amount of knowledge. In other words, value is realtive to each buyer. To be fair, a lot of products have no value to any buyers, but I don't think that's quite the case here.

Anyway, I do understand your point, and it's a good one. What it boils down to, is people are insecure, and just need someone to give them a way to succeed and permission to do so.

All the best,
Michael

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Ashley Wright

13 years ago

Many people mention "products are not worth the price tag" "you can learn everything here" but how do you think people make money on info products

and if you read around the forum "properly" you will realise you can sell products for whatever the hell you like as people are going to buy

My 2cents...

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reynoldscorb

13 years ago

I don't buy much of anything these days. Like everyone else is saying, everything I need is in the warrior forum.

The hard truth is that most newbies don't realize this until a few months after they start out. The warrior forum is really the perfect resource.

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Dayne Dylan

Banned 13 years ago

LOL you are right about the search function Michael, I agree with you there. :-)

What's next, the "New" traffic source of "Plenty of Fish" for $397?

I better get to working on that product...

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dayne Dylan

LOL you are right about the search function Michael, I agree with you there. :-)

What's next, the "New" traffic source of "Plenty of Fish" for $397?

I better get to working on that product...

Already been done by traffic dojo.

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Originally Posted by mr2monster

Already been done by traffic dojo.

This I know, I was joking.
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13 years ago

I honestly don't buy the "you can find everything you want here".

I've purchased top end stuff that simply isn't here, or actually
anywhere in any meaningful format.

In addition there's absolutely no guarantee that some of the stuff
you read on here is accurate, I wince at some of the "advice" given
to people here sometimes.

There's a huge difference between individual random snippets of
forum chatter and a well formulated program designed from the
ground up with multiple methods of learning all packaged up with
a specific support forum or 1 on 1 support for a specific technique.

You can pick up a hell of a lot from the WF, I pick up something
new almost every day here, in fact today I just picked up a tiny
snippet of information from a huge multi page thread which is
probably going to save me a fortune on PPC , but I came across
it by luck, even searching I would never have found it, I wouldn't
have even know to search on it.

It often boils down to a how much is your time worth scenario.

If you want to spend countless hours or days searching the internet
trying to piece together a bunch of vaguely connected posts and
potentially erroneous information rather than spend a few hundred
bucks and have the whole thing delivered with a bow, then go at it.

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Rob Howard

13 years ago

I completely agree with this.

You can't find everything in a forum. And like you said, you can't trust it all.

I think Trey's course would be great if you are brand new AND have over 1200 bucks to spend. (The PPV company they recommend requires a 1k deposit).

But for anyone older than newbie, I just can't justify the 200.

That's just me.

Rob

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

I honestly don't buy the "you can find everything you want here".

I've purchased top end stuff that simply isn't here, or actually
anywhere in any meaningful format.

In addition there's absolutely no guarantee that some of the stuff
you read on here is accurate, I wince at some of the "advice" given
to people here sometimes.

There's a huge difference between individual random snippets of
forum chatter and a well formulated program designed from the
ground up with multiple methods of learning all packaged up with
a specific support forum or 1 on 1 support for a specific technique.

It often boils down to a how much is your time worth scenario.

If you want to spend countless hours or days searching the internet
trying to piece together a bunch of vaguely connected posts and
potentially erroneous information rather than spend a few hundred
bucks and have the whole thing delivered with a bow, then go at it.

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CDarklock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

It often boils down to a how much is your time worth scenario.

90% of every product is social proof.

I know the same stuff you know. I use the same stuff you use.

And here's a tiny little missing tidbit that fits into all that stuff and makes a big difference.

What you're actually paying for is that tiny little tidbit and the roadmap of where it belongs.

Think of it like a little extra piece you can put in your car to get better gas mileage. If I just gave you the piece, you wouldn't know how to install it.

But when I start talking about where it goes and how it fits, it would be kind of stupid to say "pfft, this is just about an engine; my car already has an engine" - wouldn't it?

The problem, of course, is to identify the bit that makes the difference.

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Rob Howard

13 years ago

Perhaps I (as the only one who has stated that has purchased it) already am making money with it?

And if I'm not, maybe there is a reason.

To be honest, I'm not.

But it's not in my business model. I've known about it from a while back. But I don't use it to drive traffic and I don't intend on it.

I, for one, never knocked the guy. I just believe that it isn't worth 200 bucks.

Simple.

Rob

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So he sold you back the air that you already exhaled, but added
some fragrance to it...................

So it would smell better.

If you already know the stuff, how come YOU weren't making
$$$$$ with the knowledge.

The reason why they have buyers is because people don't
do.

They dream and they push buttons.

So you can ask for a refund or you can move on.

Just don't knock a guy for having the initiative to produce
and apply his ideas to the market we are all in here.

IM

Now Trey can you repackage Window's 3.1 into Windows 8 ????

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by ccmusicman

But it's not in my business model. I've known about it from a while back. But I don't use it to drive traffic and I don't intend on it.

A lot of people don't like to admit that sort of thing. It's not that you don't know this stuff. It's not that the stuff doesn't work.

It's that you've chosen not to use it.

That's a major element of any successful business. When you cast about in all directions and just do any damn thing, you're never going to get anywhere. Sure, test new things, don't get stuck in a rut... but at the very least, know what you do and why you do it.

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Rob Howard

13 years ago

Thank you.

Some one else who understands.

There is a difference between eggs in one basket and a focused business model.

My business model consists of infoproducts, paid traffic from only a few sources(from PPC, a few offline sources), partners/jv's/affiliates, and scalable outsourced work.

Personally, I think PPV is horrible. Adware, heavily intrusive advertising, etc. It just jives wrong with me.

Maybe that's why I think it's not worth 200, idk.

Rob

Originally Posted by CDarklock

A lot of people don't like to admit that sort of thing. It's not that you don't know this stuff. It's not that the stuff doesn't work.

It's that you've chosen not to use it.

That's a major element of any successful business. When you cast about in all directions and just do any damn thing, you're never going to get anywhere. Sure, test new things, don't get stuck in a rut... but at the very least, know what you do and why you do it.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by ccmusicman

Thank you.

Some one else who understands.

There is a difference between eggs in one basket and a focused business model.

My business model consists of infoproducts, paid traffic from only a few sources(from PPC, a few offline sources), partners/jv's/affiliates, and scalable outsourced work.

Personally, I think PPV is horrible. Adware, heavily intrusive advertising, etc. It just jives wrong with me.

Maybe that's why I think it's not worth 200, idk.

Rob

I set up a virtual machine to go look at PPV , and to be fair to
the places you sign up for the free games/whatever, they do
make it very clear that the trade off is they show you adverts.

I wouldn't put the dam crap anywhere near my PC, I'm with
you on that, but kids love all the free games and so on and
are prepared to see the odd popup.

It is heavily intrusive at times, but on the flip side t it's
made very clear upfront that it's going to be intrusive.

I also question how easy it actually is to make a ROI.

You do wonder how many attempts these guys have to make
to actually find a winning campaign they can give away
to sell the product.

All these videos are the same, anybody would think from them
you just open an account , throw some keywords in and
voila - insta profits.

If only this was the case, I would have retired eons ago.

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Rob Howard

13 years ago

Right.

I'm going to make a statement that is not based on testing - this is just my opinion.

I would imagine the ROI would not be that great. I understand that quite a few people who install the software do it to play games...

But that's the problem - the demographics are off.

Not to say that gamers don't buy stuff - but if people are putting adware on their machine to play free games - hmmm...

But then, I haven't really tested and I could be completely off base.

Rob

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

I set up a virtual machine to go look at PPV , and to be fair to
the places you sign up for the free games/whatever, they do
make it very clear that the trade off is they show you adverts.

I wouldn't put the dam crap anywhere near my PC, I'm with
you on that, but kids love all the free games and so on and
are prepared to see the odd popup.

It is heavily intrusive at times, but on the flip side t it's
made very clear upfront that it's going to be intrusive.

I also question how easy it actually is to make a ROI.

You do wonder how many attempts these guys have to make
to actually find a winning campaign they can give away
to sell the product.

All these videos are the same, anybody would think from them
you just open an account , throw some keywords in and
voila - insta profits.

If only this was the case, I would have retired eons ago.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Most people do not ask questions because they want THE answer, but because they want THEIR answer.

Damn. You nailed it. Right on the money. I couldn't put in
words what exactly it was. And this was it.

Originally Posted by ccmusicman

Right.

I'm going to make a statement that is not based on testing - this is just my opinion.

I would imagine the ROI would not be that great. I understand that quite a few people who install the software do it to play games...

But that's the problem - the demographics are off.

Not to say that gamers don't buy stuff - but if people are putting adware on their machine to play free games - hmmm...

But then, I haven't really tested and I could be completely off base.

Rob

And THIS...is the kind of conversation that needs to be had in this
forum, once again.

What Rob is doing is he's going off based on what he KNOWS to be
TRUE about marketing (targeted traffic is ALWAYS better than un-
targeted traffic, no matter how cheap it is) and coming to what I
too believe to be a solid conclusion...

there IS a trade off and a REASON WHY that traffic is as CHEAP as
it's advertised, it's because:

Less TARGETED than other forms of paid traffic.

There IS a trade-off. Cheaper traffic gives you LESS quality. In
Adwords, the more targeted the traffic, the higher the odds of
a sale, and you pay for that convenience. And normally, it's worth
that convenience and then some.

I have no doubt that the system might work, and at the end of the
day it DOES come down to preference AND mindset. It's easy to
think something is EASIER because it's CHEAPER to have...but few
people think about the "price they have to pay anyways".

However, I too can not judge the system based on the little research
I've done on this system because I havn't purchased. But when put
in the right hands, it could be the answer a struggling marketer was
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CDarklock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by WhoIsBenjamin

In Adwords, the more targeted the traffic, the higher the odds of a sale, and you pay for that convenience. And normally, it's worth that convenience and then some.

Joel Spolsky said quite some time ago... a couple years back... that in business, it is usually possible to trade money for time. If you want it cheap, you'll have to wait. If you want it fast, you'll have to pay.

Sometimes you don't have a choice. If you have no money, cheap it is. Likewise, if it has to happen tomorrow OR ELSE, you'll have to pull out your wallet. And when neither choice is acceptable, cheap tends to win.

What often makes the difference between a successful business and an unsuccessful one is the willingness to spend that last $10 on a domain and do without the trip to McDonald's. People who give up momentary pleasure to build their business tend to do better in the end.

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Midas3 Consulting

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ccmusicman

Right.

I'm going to make a statement that is not based on testing - this is just my opinion.

I would imagine the ROI would not be that great. I understand that quite a few people who install the software do it to play games...

But that's the problem - the demographics are off.

Not to say that gamers don't buy stuff - but if people are putting adware on their machine to play free games - hmmm...

But then, I haven't really tested and I could be completely off base.

Rob

It's always confused me to be honest, I've seen PPV campaigns profitable
with car insurance, all kinds of things that strictly speaking you would
think were a mile off the demographic for people who would install this
tat on their computers.

I can absolutley see how ring tones, games, mobile phone contracts,
music / Itunes, DVD's films etc, all that kind of stuff would sell like crazy,
but it baffles me how people make a ROI on stuff that doesn't appear to
be the demographic.

My guess is that the kids install this stuff on the household PC and
Mum and Dad just end up with the popups in their face as a result ?

Who knows, I trust Gauher and he makes a buck from PPV, and in
adult markets so clearly it works, what I question of late is these
videos where marketers just open an account , wang in some keywords
do virtually no testing, no weeding out of duff keywords or targets
and make a ROI.

I'm yet to start a PPC campaign that didn't require some tweaking
to make it generate a ROI.

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mr2monster

13 years ago

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

It's always confused me to be honest, I've seen PPV campaigns profitable
with car insurance, all kinds of things that strictly speaking you would
think were a mile off the demographic for people who would install this
tat on their computers.

I can absolutley see how ring tones, games, mobile phone contracts,
music / Itunes, DVD's films etc, all that kind of stuff would sell like crazy,
but it baffles me how people make a ROI on stuff that doesn't appear to
be the demographic.

My guess is that the kids install this stuff on the household PC and
Mum and Dad just end up with the popups in their face as a result ?

Who knows, I trust Gauher and he makes a buck from PPV, and in
adult markets so clearly it works, what I question of late is these
videos where marketers just open an account , wang in some keywords
do virtually no testing, no weeding out of duff keywords or targets
and make a ROI.

I'm yet to start a PPC campaign that didn't require some tweaking
to make it generate a ROI.

That's it.

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Freddie Crossberg

13 years ago

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

My guess is that the kids install this stuff on the household PC and
Mum and Dad just end up with the popups in their face as a result ?

What I thought as well Simon. Now if only the app creators will do the following:

Before install, ask the kids:

1. How old are your parents
2. What are they interested in (give them a couple of topics to click)

Give that data to us. Think of the posibilities.

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CDarklock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Sam Dunning

Before install, ask the kids:

1. How old are your parents
2. What are they interested in (give them a couple of topics to click)

Give that data to us. Think of the posibilities.

Yeah... think of how many kids know the answers.

Then think of how many will tell the truth.

Then consider just how useful all those kids who don't know and/or are trying to be funny will be.

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Joe Benjamin

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ccmusicman

Perhaps I (as the only one who has stated that has purchased it) already am making money with it?

And if I'm not, maybe there is a reason.

To be honest, I'm not.

But it's not in my business model. I've known about it from a while back. But I don't use it to drive traffic and I don't intend on it.

I, for one, never knocked the guy. I just believe that it isn't worth 200 bucks.

Simple.

Rob

I remember clearly trying to help a friend get into the dating
coach business so he could start making money since he's in
a bad position. I told him that with my marketing knowledge
and the connections I have with a few coaches, he can rock
and roll in that industry.

Instead, he went and talked to a group of people who have
NEVER done what he wanted to do and told him "Sounds like
a bad idea...I don't think you can do that without a license".

No matter how hard I tried to tell him that for what he was
doing, no license or certification or degree of any kind was
needed...he insisted that the judgement of those losers was
right.

Instead of TELLING him and encouraging him to look into it
more since they know nothing about the subject, to save
face and feel "important" they told him what they thought
was the right thing to say...not knowing they are involved
in one of biggest murders of human kind...

Killing Dreams.

Honesty goes a long way, and when I don't know something
and I know a person is riding on my opinion, If I don't know
I'm not afraid to tell them and lead them in a direction to
someone who does know or other resources.

If only there were more people like you in the world (and on
this forum).

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CDarklock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by WhoIsBenjamin

Instead, he went and talked to a group of people who have NEVER done what he wanted to do and told him "Sounds like a bad idea...I don't think you can do that without a license".

Most people do not ask questions because they want THE answer, but because they want THEIR answer.

They will go around asking the same question over and over until someone gives them the answer they wanted in the first place.

Then it's not their fault if the answer is wrong.

It's not really about what to do. What really matters is the blame. If you can't avoid it, you probably just shouldn't do anything.

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Rob Howard

13 years ago

I sell info products everyday.

I have no problem charging 200 bucks or more for things.

But I would feel not right about charging 197 for the penny course, had it been mine.

Maybe it's because I already knew about it. Being blessed by the WF, we sorta "get in early" with some of this stuff.

Now, I don't think it's worthless.

In fact, people have made money with the model PPV to CPA. It does work.

Personally, I don't feel it's worth 200. I would have been "ok" spending 47 bucks on it. Even 97 would be closer to what I would feel comfortable.

I think that Trey did a good job selling. I'm swiping it

Rob

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Midas3 Consulting 13 years ago

Originally Posted by ccmusicman

I think that Trey did a good job selling. I'm swiping it

Rob

Ahh, see now Rob, you got more value than you thought :-)
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yourreviewer

13 years ago

I love when people who haven't purchased the product talk about how useless it is, how they could find it for free online and get it cheaper on WSO. By the way shouldn't this thread be in the Review Section?

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scottyg 13 years ago

Here are some traffic sources you might want to checkout.

DOCLIX: Premium Cost-Per-Click Ad Network - self serve ppc contextual inline text ads
Réseau Sélect: maison de représentation publicitaire nationale - banner and offline targetted at quebec
Blog advertising makes opinions - - banners/text ads on high traffic blog network
Online Advertising, Pay Per Click Advertising, Banner Advertising, Video Advertising, Text Advertising, Peel Away Advertising, Affiliate Program @ AdToll - Your Tollgate to Web Traffic - self serve banners etc, similar to adbrite
http://elephant-traffic.com - ppv type ads on parked url's - cheap
Media Traffic - CPV PPV Contextual Advertising - ppv ads
Casale Media*>* Home - self serve banners
Hello WidgetBucks publishers, please sign in below - self serve text/widget ads
Tribal Fusion - media buy banner network
AdClickMedia Advertising Network - Pay Per Click Advertising, online text advertising, banner advertising, and Interstitial advertising. - self serve banners and contextual widgets
Online Advertising Network | Ad Network - premium banner ad networ
Pay Per Click Advertising for Websites by Kontera - In Text Advertising Solutions - inline contextual text ads
Retargeting and Display Advertising Campaigns | AdRoll - self serve banners
PubMatic - ad network
BidVertiser - Pay Per Click Advertising On Sites Of Your Choice. - contextual and banner ads
CPMStar - The Online Network Devoted To Gamers - banners display aimed at gaming sites only
AdEngage - Engaging Internet Advertising - banners/text, similar to adbrite, allow weekly buys
FinditQuick.com | Search, Shop and Compare - text ads
Technorati Media: Technorati enables brands to engage with social media at scale. Whether your goals are branding, engagement, response or something in between, we can: - banners
Chitika, Inc. - Ads for the right user, right time, right place - search related contextual display ads
MediaWhiz - Demand More From Your Marketing Spend - banners/display, media buys
Welcome to CPX - banners/display, media buys
Online Contextual Advertising and Behavioral Marketing Services - banners
Advertising.com - display/benners, media buys
interCLICK - banners, high volume media buys
Run of Network campaigns: Enhanced Geo-Targeting - AdToll Blog - Online Advertising, Pay Per Click Advertising, Banner Advertising, Video Advertising, Text Advertising, Blog - banners/display/text ads, adbrite clone, cheap
ValueClick Media - The Pure Performance Advertising Network - banners, display/media buys
http://google.com/adwords - you already know about this...
AOL Advertising - variety of solutions on AOL inventory
https://adcenter.microsoft.com - search and content text/contextual ads
https://marketingsolutions.yahoo.com - search/content contextual ads
Connect with targeted users on MIVA?s Ad Network | MIVA.com - cheap search ads
Home - Specific Media - banners/video display, media buys
Canoe Klix - text ads on the canoe.ca network
Undertone - Online Ad Network for Brand Awareness & Direct Response - premium banners/display/media buys
7Search | Pay-Per-Click Search Engine Advertising Network - cheap search/direct domain ads
The Microsoft Media Network - microsoft banner display/media buys
AdBrite: The Internet's Ad Marketplace - display/contextual ads
Select Country - Adconion Media Group - video/banner ads, media buys
http://advertise.myspace.com - self serve banners on myspace
Advertising | Facebook - self serve ads on failbook
Free Online Dating at Plentyoffish.com - coming soon self serve ads
Home | Collective | The Audience Engine? - media buys, banners/display
Online Advertising | BuySellAds.com - self serve banners on a range of design blogs
Twitter Advertising : Sponsored Tweets - sponsored twitter posts
Ad.ly - In-Stream Advertising - more twitter ads
Trafficvance :: Advanced Display & Text Link Traffic | Home - good ppv ad network
Advertisers - Tatto Media Advertising Made Simple - banners/display/media buys
AOL Advertising aol banner ad/media buy network
http://adready.yahoo.com - display ads/self serve banners on yahoo sites
http://adsonar.com - text ads on high traffic US site
Adblade - Online Advertising and Monetization Services - self serve display ads, very good service
Ad Exchange | ADSDAQ - banners/media buying exchange
TRAFFIQ ? Digital Media. Smarter. - self serve banners, media buy type thing
Your ad space should earn more... Now, it can. | OpenX - banner exchange on open x ad network
AdBuyer.com provides the tools to help search marketers keep growing - media buying search/display exchange
MIVA AK, Inc. - search/contextual on parked pages. ****.
isocket - Welcome! - closed beta, but will be banner/display ads
Right Media - self serve banner exchange
Etology - Advertising 2.0 - banners/text ads, cheap
Pulse 360 - The Leader in Content Targeted Sponsored Links on the Web's Best Sites - ads on good high traffic inventory
http://www.bidplacesb.com/ - self serve banners, owned by AOL
Advertising | eZanga.com Hop on and go! - cheaper search and contextual
http://www.leadback.com - re-targeted ads at search traffic
APPVERT.com - App Advertising Marketplace - farcebook apps ads, display
http://trianads.com - failbook app ads, display
Online Advertising Network for Display and Performance Advertising - banners/display/media buys
Virtual Currency | Virtual Currency Monetization | Social Media Monetization - socialmedia app ads
http://userplane.com - social media advertising for media buyers
Ad Chap Blog – Social Advertising - ads on various social sites, hi5, facebook, bebo et
Cubics.com : Social Network Advertising Platform - social media ads
Adknowledge.com - Performance Based Online Advertising Network || Main || USA - cheap ads, slow approvals
http://rockyouads.com - social media display ads
http://statusplug.com - ads on facebook fan pages
Zohark - Connecting Customers, Not Just Clicks - facebook app ads
XTEND - We Understand Online Media. We Understand You. - banner/display media buys
http://advertisers.federatedmedia.net - cpm banners on good inventory of sites
Create a campaign - Adperium Direct Ads - display banners, self serve, similar to adbrite
DSNR Media Group - Result Based Online and Mobile Advertising - display banners, media buys, large inventory
Megaclick: Internet Advertising 2.0
Adoori - Reinvent Your Advertising.
ZEDO Ad Server - ZEDO Ad Serving Advertising Technology Partner for Publishers
Adblade - Online Advertising and Monetization Services
Print Advertising in Print Media - Newspaper Advertising - Magazine Advertising - Per-Inquiry Print Advertising | Mediabids.com
Digital Media - Ad Serving and Search Marketing Technology - 24/7 Real Media
Audience Targeting, Audience Targeting Advertising, Behavioural Targeting, Audience Targeting Companies : AudienceScience
Online Advertising Network for Display and Performance Advertising
Home | Collective | The Audience Engine?
Contextual Advertising | ADSDAQ | ContextWeb
Intercept - Marketing and Media Services
CPVmarketplace.com
DirectCPV.com
IceWaterMain
ClixSense.com - PTC: Get Paid To Click
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brunski57

13 years ago

I agree ... some of these products are over priced.

Just get a refund... no sweat.

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ozduc 13 years ago

i always thought these type of posts were supposed to go in the review section
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dannybee

13 years ago

I love how the question that started this thread is simply asking what this penny traffic source is. We now know it's some PPV thing, but many people viewing his nice little sales video may already know what PPV is, and be familiar with it, but not necessarily have known that it could be so lucrative at first glance.

I would say that a forum like this isn't necessarily a place where people just bad mouth it, but to find out more before purchasing. I already know how to do facebook ads, and after seeing his video, I wasn't sure if it was something like that, cause if it was, and I bought it, it would be a waste cause I already am familiar with stuff like that, and wasn't interested in more information of that micro-niche.

IMHO it's just good to know which niche within Internet Marketing he's going to teach you more about, rather than to just keep it mysterious and vague, like at the very least say it's PPV, but how you don't know what he does differently with his system to make Penny clicks happen, now that, is something I would appreciate more, and have bought products to that end.

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Steve Ranger

13 years ago

He released a follow up e-mail for this which states it's PPV/CPV traffic..

-How to get accepted by the PPV networks.
-How to join the best affiliate networks.
-How to find a money-making product to promote.
-How to start a successful PPV campaign
-How to track your sales and view conversions.
-How we made a profit within the first 24 hours of setting up the campaign.

Trey usually has fairly decent on-screen video footage showing exactly how he does stuff but it's a bit on the pricey side :/ I'm going to wait for some more reviews..

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tjapukai

13 years ago

I am a huge fan of Frank Kern and I know he works with his cousin Trey Smith (if they are really cousins I don't really know)

I bought the penny traffic program and wound up returning it. I am not one to bag on anyone as I want everyone to realize success, but the opening line in the first video is "OK, Don't FREAK out. The source we reference for our examples requires a $1,000 deposit." Now they do offer other options, but they are not used or referenced in the course.

On that principal I returned the product.

With that said, he does offer information that is compiled for newer people and I am all about paying for compiled information. I have bought a number of programs and I buy just about anything that comes out just to see how people are packaging their products. I felt that, even though Trey trumps me in earnings, by FAR! he did not put enough effort into the product. It was more some other Georgia boys with intro's by Trey.

I am not giving any information out that he included in the course as some of it was good and if you are new, he compiled a good list of resources, but the overall rating I would give is 2 out of 10 hence my request for refund.

He did honor the refund and he did it very fast so that is a major PRO.

Trey is great and he just needs to make a better product. I'll check out his next one :-)

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veotis 13 years ago

Originally Posted by tjapukai

It was more some other Georgia boys with intro's by Trey.

Hey, watch it with the "Georgia" boys!.......Seriously, I agree this product is not worth $200. Maybe $97 tops.
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kenwoo3772

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MatthewNeer

Just got an email from Trey Smith about some brand new traffic source where you can get super cheap and targeted from literally pennies on the dollar. He wants $200 bucks for the course but I thought it was kind of cheezy because if you just knew what the traffic source was then you could just bypass the middle man and and do it yourself.

Anybody kind enough to share that info with me?

Speak soon,
Matthew Neer

Could be 7search or even google content network.

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affhelper 13 years ago

Originally Posted by kenwoo3772

Could be 7search or even google content network.

Could be about selling fruits on the side of the road too....hmmm
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