Penny Traffic by Trey Smith?

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Just got an email from Trey Smith about some brand new traffic source where you can get super cheap and targeted from literally pennies on the dollar. He wants $200 bucks for the course but I thought it was kind of cheezy because if you just knew what the traffic source was then you could just bypass the middle man and and do it yourself.

Anybody kind enough to share that info with me?

Speak soon,
Matthew Neer
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  • Profile picture of the author -Jericho-
    It's probably ad networks using PPV or CPV or pay/cost per view. Not worth $200. These people always act like they have some new secret traffic formula when it's rehashed crap.
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    • Profile picture of the author MatthewNeer
      You said it bro, my feelings exactly. Not worth $200 bucks, thats why I wanted to figure out exactly what network he's using. I suspect CPA/PPV as well, any good resources for good CPA/PPV networks?
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by MatthewNeer View Post

        You said it bro, my feelings exactly. Not worth $200 bucks, thats why I wanted to figure out exactly what network he's using. I suspect CPA/PPV as well, any good resources for good CPA/PPV networks?
        If it's not worth $200 bucks to you then figure out your own system. Trying to get the "big secret" that he is selling is just an attempt at pirating his product by trying to get someone who bought it to tell you what's in it.

        Use your own brains if the product is not worth the money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jay2006
      I agree. I think it's a bit cheesy to trash someone's offer, say it's not worth it, without ever having seen the offer.

      I can't speak for this offer of Trey's. But I do know that he puts out quality material that works. I've bought some of his products and never been disappointed.

      I also believe he always offers a money back guarantee.

      So instead of trashing someone's offer (which is rather rude anyway if you haven't even seen it), perhaps the best thing to do is give it a try. You can always get your money back if it doesn't work for you.

      More people complain and moan that they make no money on the Internet and how the gurus are all fake etc etc etc. If they spent the same amount of energy actually TRYING some of these programs as they do bashing them. Then they might find, to their surprise that their lifestyle really dramatically change - just as advertised.

      Sure, some products suck and aren't worth $1.97 much less $197. But you'll never know unless you truly give it a try.

      I vote for refraining from bashing offers you know nothing about until you've given them a try for yourself. That's only fair. I'm sure some people will disagree with me. But it's just my humble opinion.

      Just for the record I DO understand the skepticism going around on the Internet. I've been burned too. But I hung in there, gave things a fair chance, and I now make a killing on line. Haven't had a boss in 8 years.

      You can do the same but you have to DO something rather than criticize people and products when you don't have full information about what's on offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    I would say that he is selling the penny clicks on Google. Which is nothing more than Google Content Network banner ads. You can get the same thing in the WSO Forum for around $20+/-. If you need a link and can't find it with the search function, let me know and I will get it for you.

    It could also be PPV, and although the traffic is very cheap, you pay for impressions, not click through such as you do with Content Network. The traffic is still quite cheap, but as I said in the previous paragraph, you can get the same thing in the WSO Forum. One of them is called Rogue Marketing. I got that one and it is pretty detailed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    So...

    You don't want to BUY the product, but if somebody else KNOWS what it is, you don't mind NOT paying for it?

    Not cool.

    It may seem like a harmless request, but it smacks of underhandedness, and isn't what I would describe as a "best practice" by ant stretch of the imagination.

    Guys, what if somebody did that with your product?

    Furthermore, the fact that the OP is accpeting GUESSES as though that's what the product really is is downright laughable.

    The people responding are only guessing.

    Next, there is a specific section of the Warrior Forum fr reviews, which is kind of what this thread is supposed to be (now I'm guessing).

    THEN, to top THAT off, somebody assumes the person mentioned in the OP is somehow a crooked seller. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but Rule #1 is there to keep this kind of thing from happening.

    All the best,
    Michael

    p.s. I don't want to buy "The Secret Affiliate Code" could somebody tell me what it is? Maybe send me a copy if they don't feel like explaining it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      So...

      You don't want to BUY the product, but if somebody else KNOWS what it is, you don't mind NOT paying for it?

      Not cool.

      It may seem like a harmless request, but it smacks of underhandedness, and isn't what I would describe as a "best practice" by ant stretch of the imagination.

      Guys, what if somebody did that with your product?

      Furthermore, the fact that the OP is accpeting GUESSES as though that's what the product really is is downright laughable.

      The people responding are only guessing.

      Next, there is a specific section of the Warrior Forum fr reviews, which is kind of what this thread is supposed to be (now I'm guessing).

      THEN, to top THAT off, somebody assumes the person mentioned in the OP is somehow a crooked seller. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but Rule #1 is there to keep this kind of thing from happening.

      All the best,
      Michael

      p.s. I don't want to buy "The Secret Affiliate Code" could somebody tell me what it is? Maybe send me a copy if they don't feel like explaining it?
      Seems like you need a Rule #1 refresher yourself.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

        Seems like you need a Rule #1 refresher yourself.
        Not yet, but I always seem to get REAL close when responding to a certain Warrior.

        There's something about their incessantly negative attitude and borderline troll-like posts that really gets under my skin. But, I'm guessing that's what they want.

        I would tell them to put a sock in it, but that's not my style.

        All the best,
        Michael

        p.s. If I'm breaking Rule #1 then report me.
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          p.s. If I'm breaking Rule #1 then report me.
          You're not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      p.s. I don't want to buy "The Secret Affiliate Code" could somebody tell me what it is? Maybe send me a copy if they don't feel like explaining it?
      Michael, the secret code is "12Zebras574Q." Shhhhh, please don't tell anyone.

      :-Don
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by Don Schenk View Post

        Michael, the secret code is "12Zebras574Q." Shhhhh, please don't tell anyone.

        :-Don
        Aha!

        A friend of mine told me the code was 12Warthogs574Q.

        Don't worry, the secret is safe with me.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
    I purchased it.

    Newbie level coursed at introducing you to PPV to CPA. Not worth 200, at all, in my opinion.

    47? Maybe.

    But not 200.

    Just my thoughts.

    Rob
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    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      I purchased it.

      Newbie level coursed at introducing you to PPV to CPA. Not worth 200, at all, in my opinion.

      47? Maybe.

      But not 200.

      Just my thoughts.

      Rob
      A PPV to CPA course ?

      WOW, cool, I love it when somebody releases something new....

      Don't mind Trey, good luck to the man but jeez, hasn't it been
      truly done to death now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dayne Dylan
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    I'm really losing my respect for these "guru" marketers.

    $197 to learn about PPV traffic? Give me a break. All the info you need is here in this forum and one other forum I will not name.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by Dayne Dylan View Post

      I'm really losing my respect for these "guru" marketers.

      $197 to learn about PPV traffic? Give me a break. All the info you need is here in this forum and one other forum I will not name.
      IF you want to sort through all of the posts and seemingly conflicting information.

      For that matter, let's all stop buying and selling. All the info we need is right here. And the truth is, that the info you need IS here, but it's scattered and in no particular order.

      I'm not referring to the course in question, but in general terms. For anybody that doesn't value their time...go ahead, keep your money. Learn from your trial and error. Dig through all the posts and figure out what's what.

      But if you do value your time, then consider making that next purchase.

      All the best,
      Michael
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      • Profile picture of the author Dayne Dylan
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        Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

        IF you want to sort through all of the posts and seemingly conflicting information.

        For that matter, let's all stop buying and selling. All the info we need is right here. And the truth is, that the info you need IS here, but it's scattered and in no particular order.

        I'm not referring to the course in question, but in general terms. For anybody that doesn't value their time...go ahead, keep your money. Learn from your trial and error. Dig through all the posts and figure out what's what.

        But if you do value your time, then consider making that next purchase.

        All the best,
        Michael
        It's amazing what the "search" function can do here on the Warrior Forum to find the info you need to get started in many aspects of IM and even PPV. That is what I have done and it has paid off very nicely for me. Time? Didn't take that long at all. And sure as heck didn't cost me $197. But to each his/her own...that's just me.

        I think one gets to the point of buying all these info products and reading, reading, reading...when the real trick is action, action, action.

        Just my two cents.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
          Originally Posted by Dayne Dylan View Post

          It's amazing what the "search" function can do here on the Warrior Forum to find the info you need to get started in many aspects of IM and even PPV. That is what I have done and it has paid off very nicely for me. Time? Didn't take that long at all. And sure as heck didn't cost me $197. But to each his/her own...that's just me.

          I think one gets to the point of buying all these info products and reading, reading, reading...when the real trick is action, action, action.

          Just my two cents.
          LOL

          Well, we are assuming people know how to use the search function. I've seen way too much evidence to the contrary.



          Yet, there are people who prefer to buy one product to save the time of reading through 100s of posts - most of which contain NO valuable information.

          But you are 100%, 100%, 100% right when you say people need to take action, action, action.

          No doubt about it.

          All the best,
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          • Profile picture of the author Universal_Soul
            Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

            LOL

            Well, we are assuming people know how to use the search function. I've seen way too much evidence to the contrary.



            Yet, there are people who prefer to buy one product to save the time of reading through 100s of posts - most of which contain NO valuable information.
            Gratitude,

            Maybe somebody should release a course "How to use Search function in WF"?
            I suggest $197

            Jan
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      • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
        Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

        IF you want to sort through all of the posts and seemingly conflicting information.

        For that matter, let's all stop buying and selling. All the info we need is right here. And the truth is, that the info you need IS here, but it's scattered and in no particular order.

        I'm not referring to the course in question, but in general terms. For anybody that doesn't value their time...go ahead, keep your money. Learn from your trial and error. Dig through all the posts and figure out what's what.

        But if you do value your time, then consider making that next purchase.

        All the best,
        Michael


        In case you guys missed it...


        Some of the most expensive (and most valuable) products out there are culminations of hours of time sorting through data and working out the facts from the fiction.

        You're going to pay for the information either way.... Whether it's via you're time (non refundable), or your money....
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  • Profile picture of the author topskyca
    I guess it happens to a lot of people that some guru is promising a huge discovery, and once you purchase it, you realize "I already know that! It ain't a secret to me"
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  • Profile picture of the author keithdougherty
    Well people need to realize that they have all the need to be successful. But these guys use big promises and savvy marketing to make you think you are getting a $2000 course for $197, when the same info is here for free or for a few dollars.

    People need to have the confidence and the mindset coupled with a plan to get there. Otherwise you jump at every pie in the sky dream and hope that it will be the next best thing to make you money.

    Just my "penny" advice.

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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by keithdougherty View Post

      Well people need to realize that they have all the need to be successful. But these guys use big promises and savvy marketing to make you think you are getting a $2000 course for $197, when the same info is here for free or for a few dollars.

      People need to have the confidence and the mindset coupled with a plan to get there. Otherwise you jump at every pie in the sky dream and hope that it will be the next best thing to make you money.

      Just my "penny" advice.

      You're right, Keith. But, what if that $197 is the catalyst somebody needs to get that confidence?

      Just a thought.

      Don't get me wrong, I know there's a lot overpriced junk out there. But prior to Rob's response, there were only guesses being made (and accepted as fact).

      However, even Rob, or you, or me thinks it's overpriced, perhaps that's because we already have a good amount of knowledge. In other words, value is realtive to each buyer. To be fair, a lot of products have no value to any buyers, but I don't think that's quite the case here.

      Anyway, I do understand your point, and it's a good one. What it boils down to, is people are insecure, and just need someone to give them a way to succeed and permission to do so.

      All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author Ashley Wright
    Many people mention "products are not worth the price tag" "you can learn everything here" but how do you think people make money on info products and if you read around the forum "properly" you will realise you can sell products for whatever the hell you like as people are going to buy

    My 2cents...
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  • Profile picture of the author reynoldscorb
    I don't buy much of anything these days. Like everyone else is saying, everything I need is in the warrior forum.

    The hard truth is that most newbies don't realize this until a few months after they start out. The warrior forum is really the perfect resource.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dayne Dylan
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    LOL you are right about the search function Michael, I agree with you there. :-)

    What's next, the "New" traffic source of "Plenty of Fish" for $397?

    I better get to working on that product...
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    • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
      Originally Posted by Dayne Dylan View Post

      LOL you are right about the search function Michael, I agree with you there. :-)

      What's next, the "New" traffic source of "Plenty of Fish" for $397?

      I better get to working on that product...

      Already been done by traffic dojo.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dayne Dylan
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        Originally Posted by mr2monster View Post

        Already been done by traffic dojo.
        This I know, I was joking.
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  • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
    I honestly don't buy the "you can find everything you want here".

    I've purchased top end stuff that simply isn't here, or actually
    anywhere in any meaningful format.

    In addition there's absolutely no guarantee that some of the stuff
    you read on here is accurate, I wince at some of the "advice" given
    to people here sometimes.

    There's a huge difference between individual random snippets of
    forum chatter and a well formulated program designed from the
    ground up with multiple methods of learning all packaged up with
    a specific support forum or 1 on 1 support for a specific technique.

    You can pick up a hell of a lot from the WF, I pick up something
    new almost every day here, in fact today I just picked up a tiny
    snippet of information from a huge multi page thread which is
    probably going to save me a fortune on PPC , but I came across
    it by luck, even searching I would never have found it, I wouldn't
    have even know to search on it.

    It often boils down to a how much is your time worth scenario.

    If you want to spend countless hours or days searching the internet
    trying to piece together a bunch of vaguely connected posts and
    potentially erroneous information rather than spend a few hundred
    bucks and have the whole thing delivered with a bow, then go at it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
      I completely agree with this.

      You can't find everything in a forum. And like you said, you can't trust it all.

      I think Trey's course would be great if you are brand new AND have over 1200 bucks to spend. (The PPV company they recommend requires a 1k deposit).

      But for anyone older than newbie, I just can't justify the 200.

      That's just me.

      Rob

      Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

      I honestly don't buy the "you can find everything you want here".

      I've purchased top end stuff that simply isn't here, or actually
      anywhere in any meaningful format.

      In addition there's absolutely no guarantee that some of the stuff
      you read on here is accurate, I wince at some of the "advice" given
      to people here sometimes.

      There's a huge difference between individual random snippets of
      forum chatter and a well formulated program designed from the
      ground up with multiple methods of learning all packaged up with
      a specific support forum or 1 on 1 support for a specific technique.

      It often boils down to a how much is your time worth scenario.

      If you want to spend countless hours or days searching the internet
      trying to piece together a bunch of vaguely connected posts and
      potentially erroneous information rather than spend a few hundred
      bucks and have the whole thing delivered with a bow, then go at it.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

      It often boils down to a how much is your time worth scenario.
      90% of every product is social proof.

      I know the same stuff you know. I use the same stuff you use.

      And here's a tiny little missing tidbit that fits into all that stuff and makes a big difference.

      What you're actually paying for is that tiny little tidbit and the roadmap of where it belongs.

      Think of it like a little extra piece you can put in your car to get better gas mileage. If I just gave you the piece, you wouldn't know how to install it.

      But when I start talking about where it goes and how it fits, it would be kind of stupid to say "pfft, this is just about an engine; my car already has an engine" - wouldn't it?

      The problem, of course, is to identify the bit that makes the difference.
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        • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
          Perhaps I (as the only one who has stated that has purchased it) already am making money with it?

          And if I'm not, maybe there is a reason.

          To be honest, I'm not.

          But it's not in my business model. I've known about it from a while back. But I don't use it to drive traffic and I don't intend on it.

          I, for one, never knocked the guy. I just believe that it isn't worth 200 bucks.

          Simple.

          Rob

          Originally Posted by offlineprofits View Post

          So he sold you back the air that you already exhaled, but added
          some fragrance to it...................

          So it would smell better.

          If you already know the stuff, how come YOU weren't making
          $$$$$ with the knowledge.

          The reason why they have buyers is because people don't
          do.

          They dream and they push buttons.

          So you can ask for a refund or you can move on.

          Just don't knock a guy for having the initiative to produce
          and apply his ideas to the market we are all in here.

          IM

          Now Trey can you repackage Window's 3.1 into Windows 8 ????
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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

            But it's not in my business model. I've known about it from a while back. But I don't use it to drive traffic and I don't intend on it.
            A lot of people don't like to admit that sort of thing. It's not that you don't know this stuff. It's not that the stuff doesn't work.

            It's that you've chosen not to use it.

            That's a major element of any successful business. When you cast about in all directions and just do any damn thing, you're never going to get anywhere. Sure, test new things, don't get stuck in a rut... but at the very least, know what you do and why you do it.
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            • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
              Thank you.

              Some one else who understands.

              There is a difference between eggs in one basket and a focused business model.

              My business model consists of infoproducts, paid traffic from only a few sources(from PPC, a few offline sources), partners/jv's/affiliates, and scalable outsourced work.

              Personally, I think PPV is horrible. Adware, heavily intrusive advertising, etc. It just jives wrong with me.

              Maybe that's why I think it's not worth 200, idk.

              Rob

              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              A lot of people don't like to admit that sort of thing. It's not that you don't know this stuff. It's not that the stuff doesn't work.

              It's that you've chosen not to use it.

              That's a major element of any successful business. When you cast about in all directions and just do any damn thing, you're never going to get anywhere. Sure, test new things, don't get stuck in a rut... but at the very least, know what you do and why you do it.
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              • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
                Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

                Thank you.

                Some one else who understands.

                There is a difference between eggs in one basket and a focused business model.

                My business model consists of infoproducts, paid traffic from only a few sources(from PPC, a few offline sources), partners/jv's/affiliates, and scalable outsourced work.

                Personally, I think PPV is horrible. Adware, heavily intrusive advertising, etc. It just jives wrong with me.

                Maybe that's why I think it's not worth 200, idk.

                Rob
                I set up a virtual machine to go look at PPV , and to be fair to
                the places you sign up for the free games/whatever, they do
                make it very clear that the trade off is they show you adverts.

                I wouldn't put the dam crap anywhere near my PC, I'm with
                you on that, but kids love all the free games and so on and
                are prepared to see the odd popup.

                It is heavily intrusive at times, but on the flip side t it's
                made very clear upfront that it's going to be intrusive.

                I also question how easy it actually is to make a ROI.

                You do wonder how many attempts these guys have to make
                to actually find a winning campaign they can give away
                to sell the product.

                All these videos are the same, anybody would think from them
                you just open an account , throw some keywords in and
                voila - insta profits.

                If only this was the case, I would have retired eons ago.
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                • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
                  Right.

                  I'm going to make a statement that is not based on testing - this is just my opinion.

                  I would imagine the ROI would not be that great. I understand that quite a few people who install the software do it to play games...

                  But that's the problem - the demographics are off.

                  Not to say that gamers don't buy stuff - but if people are putting adware on their machine to play free games - hmmm...

                  But then, I haven't really tested and I could be completely off base.

                  Rob


                  Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

                  I set up a virtual machine to go look at PPV , and to be fair to
                  the places you sign up for the free games/whatever, they do
                  make it very clear that the trade off is they show you adverts.

                  I wouldn't put the dam crap anywhere near my PC, I'm with
                  you on that, but kids love all the free games and so on and
                  are prepared to see the odd popup.

                  It is heavily intrusive at times, but on the flip side t it's
                  made very clear upfront that it's going to be intrusive.

                  I also question how easy it actually is to make a ROI.

                  You do wonder how many attempts these guys have to make
                  to actually find a winning campaign they can give away
                  to sell the product.

                  All these videos are the same, anybody would think from them
                  you just open an account , throw some keywords in and
                  voila - insta profits.

                  If only this was the case, I would have retired eons ago.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
                    Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                    Most people do not ask questions because they want THE answer, but because they want THEIR answer.
                    Damn. You nailed it. Right on the money. I couldn't put in
                    words what exactly it was. And this was it.

                    Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

                    Right.

                    I'm going to make a statement that is not based on testing - this is just my opinion.

                    I would imagine the ROI would not be that great. I understand that quite a few people who install the software do it to play games...

                    But that's the problem - the demographics are off.

                    Not to say that gamers don't buy stuff - but if people are putting adware on their machine to play free games - hmmm...

                    But then, I haven't really tested and I could be completely off base.

                    Rob
                    And THIS...is the kind of conversation that needs to be had in this
                    forum, once again.

                    What Rob is doing is he's going off based on what he KNOWS to be
                    TRUE about marketing (targeted traffic is ALWAYS better than un-
                    targeted traffic, no matter how cheap it is) and coming to what I
                    too believe to be a solid conclusion...

                    there IS a trade off and a REASON WHY that traffic is as CHEAP as
                    it's advertised, it's because:

                    Less TARGETED than other forms of paid traffic.

                    There IS a trade-off. Cheaper traffic gives you LESS quality. In
                    Adwords, the more targeted the traffic, the higher the odds of
                    a sale, and you pay for that convenience. And normally, it's worth
                    that convenience and then some.

                    I have no doubt that the system might work, and at the end of the
                    day it DOES come down to preference AND mindset. It's easy to
                    think something is EASIER because it's CHEAPER to have...but few
                    people think about the "price they have to pay anyways".

                    However, I too can not judge the system based on the little research
                    I've done on this system because I havn't purchased. But when put
                    in the right hands, it could be the answer a struggling marketer was
                    looking for.
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                    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                      Originally Posted by WhoIsBenjamin View Post

                      In Adwords, the more targeted the traffic, the higher the odds of a sale, and you pay for that convenience. And normally, it's worth that convenience and then some.
                      Joel Spolsky said quite some time ago... a couple years back... that in business, it is usually possible to trade money for time. If you want it cheap, you'll have to wait. If you want it fast, you'll have to pay.

                      Sometimes you don't have a choice. If you have no money, cheap it is. Likewise, if it has to happen tomorrow OR ELSE, you'll have to pull out your wallet. And when neither choice is acceptable, cheap tends to win.

                      What often makes the difference between a successful business and an unsuccessful one is the willingness to spend that last $10 on a domain and do without the trip to McDonald's. People who give up momentary pleasure to build their business tend to do better in the end.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
                    Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

                    Right.

                    I'm going to make a statement that is not based on testing - this is just my opinion.

                    I would imagine the ROI would not be that great. I understand that quite a few people who install the software do it to play games...

                    But that's the problem - the demographics are off.

                    Not to say that gamers don't buy stuff - but if people are putting adware on their machine to play free games - hmmm...

                    But then, I haven't really tested and I could be completely off base.

                    Rob
                    It's always confused me to be honest, I've seen PPV campaigns profitable
                    with car insurance, all kinds of things that strictly speaking you would
                    think were a mile off the demographic for people who would install this
                    tat on their computers.

                    I can absolutley see how ring tones, games, mobile phone contracts,
                    music / Itunes, DVD's films etc, all that kind of stuff would sell like crazy,
                    but it baffles me how people make a ROI on stuff that doesn't appear to
                    be the demographic.

                    My guess is that the kids install this stuff on the household PC and
                    Mum and Dad just end up with the popups in their face as a result ?

                    Who knows, I trust Gauher and he makes a buck from PPV, and in
                    adult markets so clearly it works, what I question of late is these
                    videos where marketers just open an account , wang in some keywords
                    do virtually no testing, no weeding out of duff keywords or targets
                    and make a ROI.

                    I'm yet to start a PPC campaign that didn't require some tweaking
                    to make it generate a ROI.
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                    • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
                      Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

                      It's always confused me to be honest, I've seen PPV campaigns profitable
                      with car insurance, all kinds of things that strictly speaking you would
                      think were a mile off the demographic for people who would install this
                      tat on their computers.

                      I can absolutley see how ring tones, games, mobile phone contracts,
                      music / Itunes, DVD's films etc, all that kind of stuff would sell like crazy,
                      but it baffles me how people make a ROI on stuff that doesn't appear to
                      be the demographic.

                      My guess is that the kids install this stuff on the household PC and
                      Mum and Dad just end up with the popups in their face as a result ?

                      Who knows, I trust Gauher and he makes a buck from PPV, and in
                      adult markets so clearly it works, what I question of late is these
                      videos where marketers just open an account , wang in some keywords
                      do virtually no testing, no weeding out of duff keywords or targets
                      and make a ROI.

                      I'm yet to start a PPC campaign that didn't require some tweaking
                      to make it generate a ROI.

                      That's it.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Freddie Crossberg
                      Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

                      My guess is that the kids install this stuff on the household PC and
                      Mum and Dad just end up with the popups in their face as a result ?
                      What I thought as well Simon. Now if only the app creators will do the following:

                      Before install, ask the kids:

                      1. How old are your parents
                      2. What are they interested in (give them a couple of topics to click)

                      Give that data to us. Think of the posibilities.

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                      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                        Originally Posted by Sam Dunning View Post

                        Before install, ask the kids:

                        1. How old are your parents
                        2. What are they interested in (give them a couple of topics to click)

                        Give that data to us. Think of the posibilities.
                        Yeah... think of how many kids know the answers.

                        Then think of how many will tell the truth.

                        Then consider just how useful all those kids who don't know and/or are trying to be funny will be.
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          • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
            Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

            Perhaps I (as the only one who has stated that has purchased it) already am making money with it?

            And if I'm not, maybe there is a reason.

            To be honest, I'm not.

            But it's not in my business model. I've known about it from a while back. But I don't use it to drive traffic and I don't intend on it.

            I, for one, never knocked the guy. I just believe that it isn't worth 200 bucks.

            Simple.

            Rob
            I remember clearly trying to help a friend get into the dating
            coach business so he could start making money since he's in
            a bad position. I told him that with my marketing knowledge
            and the connections I have with a few coaches, he can rock
            and roll in that industry.

            Instead, he went and talked to a group of people who have
            NEVER done what he wanted to do and told him "Sounds like
            a bad idea...I don't think you can do that without a license".

            No matter how hard I tried to tell him that for what he was
            doing, no license or certification or degree of any kind was
            needed...he insisted that the judgement of those losers was
            right.

            Instead of TELLING him and encouraging him to look into it
            more since they know nothing about the subject, to save
            face and feel "important" they told him what they thought
            was the right thing to say...not knowing they are involved
            in one of biggest murders of human kind...

            Killing Dreams.

            Honesty goes a long way, and when I don't know something
            and I know a person is riding on my opinion, If I don't know
            I'm not afraid to tell them and lead them in a direction to
            someone who does know or other resources.

            If only there were more people like you in the world (and on
            this forum).
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by WhoIsBenjamin View Post

              Instead, he went and talked to a group of people who have NEVER done what he wanted to do and told him "Sounds like a bad idea...I don't think you can do that without a license".
              Most people do not ask questions because they want THE answer, but because they want THEIR answer.

              They will go around asking the same question over and over until someone gives them the answer they wanted in the first place.

              Then it's not their fault if the answer is wrong.

              It's not really about what to do. What really matters is the blame. If you can't avoid it, you probably just shouldn't do anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
    I sell info products everyday.

    I have no problem charging 200 bucks or more for things.

    But I would feel not right about charging 197 for the penny course, had it been mine.

    Maybe it's because I already knew about it. Being blessed by the WF, we sorta "get in early" with some of this stuff.

    Now, I don't think it's worthless.

    In fact, people have made money with the model PPV to CPA. It does work.

    Personally, I don't feel it's worth 200. I would have been "ok" spending 47 bucks on it. Even 97 would be closer to what I would feel comfortable.

    I think that Trey did a good job selling. I'm swiping it

    Rob
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    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      I think that Trey did a good job selling. I'm swiping it

      Rob
      Ahh, see now Rob, you got more value than you thought :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
    I love when people who haven't purchased the product talk about how useless it is, how they could find it for free online and get it cheaper on WSO. By the way shouldn't this thread be in the Review Section?
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  • Profile picture of the author brunski57
    I agree ... some of these products are over priced.

    Just get a refund... no sweat.
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  • Profile picture of the author dannybee
    I love how the question that started this thread is simply asking what this penny traffic source is. We now know it's some PPV thing, but many people viewing his nice little sales video may already know what PPV is, and be familiar with it, but not necessarily have known that it could be so lucrative at first glance.

    I would say that a forum like this isn't necessarily a place where people just bad mouth it, but to find out more before purchasing. I already know how to do facebook ads, and after seeing his video, I wasn't sure if it was something like that, cause if it was, and I bought it, it would be a waste cause I already am familiar with stuff like that, and wasn't interested in more information of that micro-niche.

    IMHO it's just good to know which niche within Internet Marketing he's going to teach you more about, rather than to just keep it mysterious and vague, like at the very least say it's PPV, but how you don't know what he does differently with his system to make Penny clicks happen, now that, is something I would appreciate more, and have bought products to that end.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Ranger
    He released a follow up e-mail for this which states it's PPV/CPV traffic..

    -How to get accepted by the PPV networks.
    -How to join the best affiliate networks.
    -How to find a money-making product to promote.
    -How to start a successful PPV campaign
    -How to track your sales and view conversions.
    -How we made a profit within the first 24 hours of setting up the campaign.
    Trey usually has fairly decent on-screen video footage showing exactly how he does stuff but it's a bit on the pricey side :/ I'm going to wait for some more reviews..
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  • Profile picture of the author tjapukai
    I am a huge fan of Frank Kern and I know he works with his cousin Trey Smith (if they are really cousins I don't really know)

    I bought the penny traffic program and wound up returning it. I am not one to bag on anyone as I want everyone to realize success, but the opening line in the first video is "OK, Don't FREAK out. The source we reference for our examples requires a $1,000 deposit." Now they do offer other options, but they are not used or referenced in the course.

    On that principal I returned the product.

    With that said, he does offer information that is compiled for newer people and I am all about paying for compiled information. I have bought a number of programs and I buy just about anything that comes out just to see how people are packaging their products. I felt that, even though Trey trumps me in earnings, by FAR! he did not put enough effort into the product. It was more some other Georgia boys with intro's by Trey.

    I am not giving any information out that he included in the course as some of it was good and if you are new, he compiled a good list of resources, but the overall rating I would give is 2 out of 10 hence my request for refund.

    He did honor the refund and he did it very fast so that is a major PRO.

    Trey is great and he just needs to make a better product. I'll check out his next one :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author veotis
      Originally Posted by tjapukai View Post

      It was more some other Georgia boys with intro's by Trey.
      Hey, watch it with the "Georgia" boys!.......Seriously, I agree this product is not worth $200. Maybe $97 tops.
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  • Profile picture of the author kenwoo3772
    Originally Posted by MatthewNeer View Post

    Just got an email from Trey Smith about some brand new traffic source where you can get super cheap and targeted from literally pennies on the dollar. He wants $200 bucks for the course but I thought it was kind of cheezy because if you just knew what the traffic source was then you could just bypass the middle man and and do it yourself.

    Anybody kind enough to share that info with me?



    Speak soon,
    Matthew Neer

    Could be 7search or even google content network.
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    • Profile picture of the author affhelper
      Originally Posted by kenwoo3772 View Post

      Could be 7search or even google content network.
      Could be about selling fruits on the side of the road too....hmmm
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