Thoughts on MemberSpring?

Welcome turtledove. I'm a recent addition too.

Sounds interesting. I just watched the hour long sales video myself. He's good at sales, I'll give him that. I've never sat through a video that long before without falling off the chair with a bump on the head.

I'd like to know more about the product as well...

He mentions Wordpress a lot, so my feeling is to do a bit of googling on setting up Wordpress membership sites. I've heard about quite a bit about that through the grapevine lately.

We all know that most information can be gained on internet marketing for free by spending enough time finding good blogs and free information products.

Like a lot of nice-guy marketers out there say, "Find yourself a good coach and skip the rest". I agree. If you can afford one, definitely do that.
Your only options left are to either spend a lot of money on multiple courses and hope you get the good stuff (ultimately the most expensive option versus getting a personal coach), or work it out on your own by spending a LOT of time with a lot of faith you are heading in the right direction.

As far as sticking to one course goes, well you wil never find everything you need to know in one course. It never happens. This is why most new marketers buy so many products over time.

It boils down to this: spend a lot of money or a lot of time, or both in the worst case.

At the end of the day, get a teacher, coach or preferably a mentor if you can. If not, I recommend people (rarely) such as Erik Holmlund, Tristan Bull, or Richard Legg. They offer you great free training. Get on Tristan's forum, or Erik and Richard's blog. All of those guys have given me invaluable information without question. (No, I'm not getting any rewards for the mention )

There are other great resources out there I am sure. Those are just the ones at the top of my head.

Back on topic, I'd love to know more about this particular package though. I'm relatively new to I.M. so I havent heard of Mr. Ambrose before.

Hey Guys,

I just wanted to jump in here right away and make a post so the admins can see those two posts above aren't coming from me ... 4 posts, and 1 post makes it look like someone came in here just to post a review looking for some traffic.

Nothing against the posters, I'm glad they came in ... but I just didn't want anyone thinking I'm trying to play the forum.

Thanks,
Gary

Hi Gary,

I watched the entire video out of curiosity....and you would do well to talk more about the features of product, and a few demonstrations. Take it for what it's worth, but I know for a fact that you lost a sale because there was no demo of the product.

Ken

I let the video play and just walked away to watch TV. I figured I could come back after it got to the end and there would be a link to a price (I was right) and a sales page of some sort with a written description of the product (I was wrong).

I've seen so many of these ultra long video pitches lately and it's just irritating. Do they think we don't know how to read?

And when there isn't even an indication of the length of the video ... well, I think it's just a little self-indulgent.

I'd like to hear some more from gary as well, and agree with most of what has been said regarding the offer as it stands.

Hey all,

I'm just going to say one thing ...

I was running a split test today, and the LONGER of the two videos did better over a statistically significant amount of traffic. And it did better in all three areas we were measuring ...

Too long? Based on the results, I'm thinking it should have been longer.

Thanks,
Gary Ambrose

Almost got it there, but would like to see some samples. If you can provide it would be nice

The split test result is fascinating. Maybe size does matter

I'd be interested in seeing how many purchasers were already predisposed to you and your products - how many were buyers on your list as opposed to people who were directed there by other marketers.

Perhaps your loyal list members would have bought regardless of the video length.

Hey Gary.

Appreciate of you coming in to defend about the length of your video. However, you missed the point on the screenshots of your 3 or 5 membership sites...Yes, you mention about wordpress...just like any other markerters...nothing spectacular.

Did you mention anything of refund...I can't rewind your video to watch that?

Well, to sum-up, you still need to show us something before we can put the money on the table

Cheers.

Where's the short version?

These headphones are giving me a headache.

I don't know how far I am into the vid, but I'm just getting the feeling that New Marketers (aka Newbies) rewrite plr ebooks while Gurus (er, I mean established marketers, I don't mean to be name calling) re-invent continuity programs.

But I am enjoying the listen. Though I too usually "close the page" on videos with no indication of length or visible controls.

I have unlimited bandwidth, but (as you point out in the video) not unlimited time.

That Video... I Was Curious, I Watched it in 4part's Throughout the day lol was killing me, for me it wasn't enough information,Although I Love the Micro Continuity Angle.

For spannir
There is a no questions asked 30 day (from the date and time of purchase) refund period on the MemberSpring product.
hxxps://www memberspring.c0m/legal/terms.html

Hi Guys

I've got to agree with everyone regarding the length of the video and the absence of any controls, I can understand the reason for this but can't say I like it - I've listened to it stop/start for most of this morning while doing my "office duties".
I'd also have liked to see some screen shots of how a member site would look.

I've just Googled Memberspring and yes there is a 30 day refund policy and there's also an optional $29.95/month MemberSpring Hosting and software service plus a (non optional) $97 per month fee MemberSpring Monthly Content Program (was this mentioned in the video, I'd have re-wound to check back but......)

There are also parts of the video I'd like to go over but there's no way I'm going through the whole video again

Membership sites are definately on my agenda but I need more information please.

Perhaps the reason why the split test worked so well in favour of the longer video was due to the type of viewers watching it. Someone unfamiliar with the internet marketing tactics would have been completely drawn in by the well crafted video. A seasoned or even a relatively new marketer would get frustrated.
I think it was a great job if the intened market was the newbies (which i suspect) and a really bad one based on the length if it was targeted to intermediates.
Not enough detail on the actual product - which always makes me say NOPE!

@rlmosca

The info crazyken is talking about is in the terms of service, near the bottom
https://www.memberspring.com/legal/terms.html

You can also find other Q and A in the support area:
https://www.memberspring.com/support

downloaded that video,MemberSpring.mp4 into my hard-drive
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Hey Fastlane1957

I'd be really interested to know your thoughts on the system, be good if you could supply a few screen shots too

Though I'm a seasoned "offline" businessman of 18 years, I still consider myself a newbie at IM, however my first "rule of thumb" whenever anything
that sounds pretty interesting (as this does) is to go check out the Warrior Forum for feedback, hey, and it's probably saved me $100's on stuff that
didn't really do what it said on the tin.:rolleyes:

Power to the people

I agree with everything you're saying Jeff (Gardner) - And you are right, the bottom line is how is the "campaign" converting? We could have 100 Roger Eberts (critics) on here, but if the masses shell out their $10 bucks for the movie, who cares? But in this case, we do have at least SOME potential customers (myself included) who did NOT hit the buy button- So only Gary really knows if the sales he lost at this point, or didn't make yet, are a significant number, or just a drop in the ocean-

As marketers though, which I think everybody on this forum is to some degree, what is more important in my opinion is understanding that Gary's video, really, is just an EXPERIMENT at this point in Internet, and really, Marketing in general- How old is the approach of throwing out the traditional sales letter, and just putting up a video? Maybe a year? Heck, three of the arguably biggest launches over the past 4-5 months was Frank Kern's List Control, Eben Pagan's Guru Blueprint, and Jeff Walker's PLF 3.0, and let's throw in Andy Jenkin's Video Boss - And none of them utilized a sales letter of any kind- I have a friend who got the Guru Blueprint, and said even Eben's upsell was just a 15 minute video or something-

So whereas the "old" (1-2 years?) approach of blasting out 4 or so free videos leading up to the launch, but then laying out the highly vaunted "sales letter" was still being utilized in 2009- But NOW- Looks like the sales letter is going the way of the SLR camera-

So in the end, I think Gary's just contributing to the pioneering efforts of selling through this new approach- Did the hour long video work? According to Gary it DID, so really, it sounds like those of us who didn't appreciate the lengthy mini-movie will be relegated to the back of the bus- And if Gary is being honest with us about his numbers (which I will assume at this point because, well just because...) then we probably should focus on his results, and realize is methodology is effective, and go from there-

(Again, I recommend to everyone that you can just download the video and scroll through Gary's Powerpoints to get through it quicker)-

DocMatt

I never made it through the video. Please tell us how long it is and give us the ability to fast forward... or don't waste our time. This kind of marketing technique does not inspire trust.

I have to be honest. I came over here to the forum to find out more information about the product because I fell asleep during the video! But to be fair, it is extremely hot here today and I am sure that had something to do with it :-)

From What i have gathered, Gary is giving 3 to 5 membership sites of different niche. He is giving contents for 3 months. Thereafter you are own your own...unless if there is any upsell for more contents. For the niche for these membership sites, i have no clue if Gary is providing the niche or we get to choose. As for the monthly subscription, he recommends nothing above $30 per month.

The key here is the content whish is going to attract the customers to pay the monthly sub and stay as memeber and to pay each month thereafter. It is possible but not easy...as i said the content is the most important. You can't spin an article and hope the member is going to be pleased....

Well..that's my thoughts on the actual product

You're absolutely right. So many bizop offers are pure hype. And most are based on the "greater fool theory". The subliminal message is, "you don't need to concern yourself with the details of what you are selling to make the money because there is a greater fool than you who will buy it. "

The overwhelming majority of these offers don't make any money for anyone but the original seller.

To be fair, I haven't purchased this product and am not trying to "bash" anyone. But I would counsel people that before they buy any business opportunity, that they fully understand and evaluate the quality and marketability of what they will be selling. If the seller isn't providing enough information to make that judgment, beware.

I also took the time to go through the entire video, although I admittedly worked here and there on other things during parts of it. I don't mind it being long, but I would have appreciated a note about the length of it. It feels like you are being held prisoner not knowing how much longer it is going to go on before the bottom line details are revealed.

I did not purchase it, but I imagine it will do just fine as more and more people need programs "done for them" to help them in the learning curve or because of time restraints - or both.

Hey all,

I'm going to have to chime in here and completely disagree with Jeff... he's a sharp guy, but way off base on this one.

I told people exactly what they're getting, and the hype factor on this video is about as low as it gets. There are no screenshots of crazy earnings, no talk of getting rich overnight, and my detailed income example in the video talks about generating a whopping $400 a month ...

Not exactly hyped up there.

And, I said your site can be up and ready to make money with 3 clicks, not that you will be making money in three clicks. What that means is, your site can be up, and ready that quickly, nothing more, nothing less.

Jeff, I'd expect that mistake from a rookie, but not from you ... you took the words I actually said, and twisted them around to make it seem as though I'm selling on hype.

That's not cool, not cool at all ...

As for not detailing what people are getting, you're right in terms of the specific niches, but the rest is VERY clearly spelled out.

I'm a little confused by everyone saying "can I see the websites first before I get them", as though you typically read through every PLR ebook you might purchase for distribution before you buy it, or as though you know what a ghostwriter is going to write for you, before they write it. You may get a general outline, but never the actual content in those cases.

Now with licensing it's a different story, and I know Jeff does some licensing ... but, that's not what we're talking about here.

As for all the talk about the video length ... and no controls vs having controls. Just search for my previous posts if you want any more info on it. I've been more than consistent in my stand on that in the past, and it's all here with just a simple search.

- Gary Ambrose

It's apparent that many people WANT this product!!! Or there wouldn't be all this BUZZ = *such a long response* -- LOOK, let's be real people... a lot of you are not paying attention and I haven't even really seen from anybody what my main concern IS?!

First of all, if you don't want to watch a video without controls, then watch a few minutes of it and then DOWNLOAD IT if you think it is worth downloading! Use VLC or something or ffmpeg and convert it and then watch it... there's NO REASON in this day and age to complain about THIS ONE! -- this complaint was around 1/2 of this post.

Next off, Gary DOES go through and offer a LOT of value, but because I AM a programmer and all of his sites are WP, there ARE membership plugins that CAN be used (some free or a 1-time purchase) [but they are not DRIP plugins]. This IS the main point of Gary's system, but I don't see this as the 'real value' of the package [a system without content is still an empty system 'to some degree']...

So where is the value? Truthfully, I see the value as being in the BONUSES!!... also in the $97 continued content.

Some questions that were asked:
1. How do MemberSpring'ers find customers for their membership sites? Does the MemberSpring product have any tools, programs, etc. to assist in that department?
2. What makes my MemberSpring membership site (with pre-built content) different from Joe Blow's MemberSpring site in the same niche?

A: 1. Check out the bonuses... A: 2. DRIP + Gary provides ongoing material for $97 a month after the first 3 months are used up! Pay attention *The first 3 months are 'only' used up [in a drip system] once someone has been in your system for 3 months -- after that they will need more content [not before]*


So the REAL questions (to me):

I have 30 days to test out a 90 day system! -- 1. Can I get enough people into the system to (first off) test the system's value with what Gary has provided (my purchase)... Gary made the statement "don't spend any money elsewhere, the system is COMPLETE" [not word for word] and THEN introduced ALL of the bonuses. -- FOCUS ON USING THE SYSTEM 'AS IS'!! and take the 30-day trial!

After the 30 day test... 2. Am I making enough money to start paying the $97 a month for the system to be maintained? If that is the case [near the end of the 30 day test] then move forward --- else ask for a refund!!! (THAT SIMPLE)...


IF for any reason you DO have to ask for a refund, you will have exchanged your time for some VALUABLE information.... you will walk away with something!!! If you are still clueless after all of this ['bonus' training and looking at the bare-bones script] on how to implement, etc., then partner up with someone on the forum (JV) and let them know what YOU are able to provide! If you don't have the time, can't provide value, or are technically challenged, then you don't have much choice but to purchase a canned system like Gary's -- and editing wordpress is drop-dead simple.


I'm not belittling anyone... even if you CAN do ALL THINGS and are an absolute MASTER, it always helps to expand your knowledge in as many areas as possible! I have often thought about a drip system.

My wife writes songs... how do you not give away all the goods and still run a membership site??? Of course, you almost HAVE to provide the latest-and-newest songs! If Sandy gets Qynne to join and they are both friends, you will have a tussle, cause everything is dated. A new song comes out and Sandy gets it -- Qynne gets it a month later... Qynne to Sandy: Wow did you hear that new song that Aura just put out? Sandy to Qynne: Ha. That's a month old -- what are you talking about? [Qynne's gonna be really upset ]

So you provide all of the older songs in drip membership format, or outright charge for completed CDs, etc. Some niches are harder to market than others...


That isn't the issue with this system... everything is "Evergreen", meaning that none of these niches EVER go out-of-date, i.e., weightloss (until there's a pill [or something] that can control hunger and provide nourishment over-time, etc.)


If you act within the 10 minutes (which none of you have done you get 5 sites instead of 3... what 5 sites??? A:from Gary's website follows...

A: Although I can't reveal the names of the sites themselves, or the specifics, I can give you the general niches ... the five sites are in the make money, health and fitness, and pet niches. That's about as far as we can go without you being a member - that's kind of the point of the system, to protect the niches for the people who join. I hope this helps!


My only question was duplicate content? How many people are getting the same exact sub-niched site, and where is all of this "future $97" content coming from -- outsource?? What you don't want to do is switch content writers midstream! or be competing with everyone with the "same niches same content" -- sure, you can 'spin it!', but that's not the point!

I agree with MightyWarrior...

Not every popular niche permits the drip feed system - like a membership for the latest music.

Or, what if I'm trying to run a membership site for the latest streaming TV episodes of different shows - if John Doe joins 3 months later on a drip feed model, he'll see an old show and cancel the membership!

And what's the cap or limit on the number of these membership site being sold? If hundreds of folks all have the same sales page to join the membership system, couldn't others just low ball each other?

There are thousands of so-called turnkey membership system -- but getting members to join and stay for at least 6 weeks is the issue. Where will we get the members to join and stay for at least 6 weeks?

For the mods,

I'm willing to throw up a video with controls for the WF members if they're interested in seeing it, but I am not going to post a URL here without getting a PM or something from a mod letting me know I'm not breaking any rules. It's up to you guys and gals.

- Gary