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Has anyone purchased Commission Formula by Alen Sultanic ? If so, any reviews on the product would be greatly appreciated.

Is it worth the $497 price ? (or $397 if you hit the back button)
#commission #formula
  • Hey David.

    I'm actually a member of the course, and I have to say that there is a LOT of content. At least 50 or so training videos, with some occasional pdfs and videos.

    What's really cool is that is teaches you Free AND paid traffic methods so you can use what you're comfortable with. In fact, it's structured to teach you free traffic stuff, get you good at converting that, and then getting you more traffic with paid stuff.

    It is a good course, and I think it's worth the price. It's not just a bunch of ebooks and stuff, it's actually pretty good training.

    You can also leave comments or questions in the members area at any of the videos in case you get stuck.

    Hope that helps. Any other questions, let me know.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Cumberbatch
      AJ,

      Thanks for your response. Do you consider it complete (soup to nuts) or do you find yourself seeking info. outside of the course ? How long have you been a member and have you had a chance to apply any of the methods successfully?
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  • Profile picture of the author gabylynch
    Yeah, I want to purchase this also. Put am very skeptical because of the price. Just wondering what some of you have to say. As 397$ is a bit high. It better be good
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    • Sorry it took me a couple days to respond :-(.

      Anyways...

      @ David: I've only been a member for a little over a week, and I've applied a few of the free traffic methods that Alen teaches. I've actually used (and taught) similar method, so I know it works. As far as being complete, I would say it's pretty complete, but you definitely have to have a basic understanding of Wordpress and affiliate marketing.

      What I do like is that it's not heavy backlink based. Most of the method is setting up the sites, creating quick content (which he shows you how to automate later on) and converting your traffic. This is nice, because most guides and systems are about the traffic, not the conversion.

      I have not had a chance to apply any of the paid traffic methods yet, as I'm also doing other things on the side ;-).

      @ Gaby: I agree that $397 is quite a bit heftier than most programs, and Alen can definitely get away with it. I've actually talked to him once personally since joining, and he was real genuine and gave some tips about conversion and the course in general. That to me is important, and if he can give someone a few moments to help out, then means something.

      The course also has a lot more content than most do, and is based on a realistic growth principle that can be applied over and over again. This stuff works, and can definitely be used.

      Hopefully that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Wise
    Hi. When you say "this stuff works and can definitely be used". Do you have any actual results ie sales please? In the promo video Alen stated that he used the formula and was making money in hours.

    I'm considering the course but not keen on paying $397 for some good training. However, I'll pay $397 to implement a system that pulls in large amounts of cash as promised.
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  • I've only relied on the SEo stuff. I've never really dipped my hat into PPC, so I can't honestly answer for that. But I can almost guarantee that to make money in hours, you'd have to use the paid methods. Its just difficult to make sales with SEO that fast.

    Not impossible, just improbable.
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    So have you made any money then?
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    • Profile picture of the author perswealth
      Saw the video, and it looks like he is using income screen shots from 2008? I would feel better if they were recent shots, but Gauher Chaudry recommends him, so i might give this a shot.
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  • Profile picture of the author imguru
    A friend of mine bought this and she's very happy with it. She's a total newbie and thinks the course will help her start making money.

    And, I think there were income shots from 2008 and this year in the video, right?
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by oscarkool View Post

      You guys should stop buying courses. I swear my email box has 5 promotions every single day for courses and it's because newbies keep buying into these 'guru' rehashed courses.

      Every free traffic type of course is exactly the same - find a product -> choose buyer keywords -> build a blog using wordpress -> write UNIQUE, HIGH QUALITY content (don't outsource unless your worker is an expert in that niche) at least 10 articles worth per site (this is where most people fail) -> add the articles to your site over the course of a few weeks -> let the site sit for 2-3 months (again, this is where people quit because new sites 90% of the time take time to rank high) -> move on to build a new site, don't sit around and wait for your 1st site to rank. You should be building MULTIPLE sites at once -> do this over and over again until you have 100+ sites.

      3 months from now when you're on your 15th site or so, you'll start to see your first few sites you built ranking well. 6 months from now, they'll be near the top. Not all sites will rank well. SEO takes practice. Only way to learn is to get to work.

      There I just saved all of you a crap ton of money. Please hit the thanks button. Go buy yourself something great for $400.
      Well, nobody wants my 2 cents, but I'll toss it in. I have always thought that high
      prices like that were not to keep wannabes from buying, but to attract those that
      have made it good and need a little more push. For them, the price is no object.
      Before a newbie put out that amount of cash, they have got to have some sort
      of successes to build on. If you have no success and no clue, shelling out that
      amount of cash is probably not wise. That's just me. I can't argue with those
      that say otherwise.

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      • Profile picture of the author jon poland
        I know nothing about Commission Formula. But I do know this -- the guy who developed this product is, in my opinion, making a big mistake in his sales video.

        One of the principles of sales and marketing is that your message has to be believable. If it not believable, people will not buy (or are less likely to buy). The mistake I think he is making lies in the fact that he does not identify himself in his video. I find this to be a red flag. Why should I or anyone else who watches the video "Believe" this guy when he does not tell us his name?

        This could simply be an oversight on his part and it could be the best affiliate marketing product on the web. But for me the bottom line is this: I am not going to spend a dime on a product if the person behind the offer is not going to attach his name to his product . . . . especially when the offer is in the $400 to $500 range.

        I'm sure some people have purchased Commission Formula after watching the video. But I'd love to know how many sales he lost due to the fact that he did not disclose his identity.

        Who knows -- perhaps I'm the only one.
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        • Profile picture of the author perswealth
          Originally Posted by jon poland View Post

          I know nothing about Commission Formula. But I do know this -- the guy who developed this product is, in my opinion, making a big mistake in his sales video.

          One of the principles of sales and marketing is that your message has to be believable. If it not believable, people will not buy (or are less likely to buy). The mistake I think he is making lies in the fact that he does not identify himself in his video. I find this to be a red flag. Why should I or anyone else who watches the video "Believe" this guy when he does not tell us his name?

          This could simply be an oversight on his part and it could be the best affiliate marketing product on the web. But for me the bottom line is this: I am not going to spend a dime on a product if the person behind the offer is not going to attach his name to his product . . . . especially when the offer is in the $400 to $500 range.

          I'm sure some people have purchased Commission Formula after watching the video. But I'd love to know how many sales he lost due to the fact that he did not disclose his identity.

          Who knows -- perhaps I'm the only one.
          Actually, he did mention his name in the video. Alan Sultanic
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          • Profile picture of the author jon poland
            Originally Posted by perswealth View Post

            Actually, he did mention his name in the video. Alan Sultanic
            Someone sent me an email and told me that he did disclose his identity near the end of the video. I think that is a mistake. By the way, I never made it to the end of the video. I guard my time and I don't like to invest 30 minutes of my day watching a video with the hope the eventually he will disclose his identity at the end of the video.

            Alen is probably a great guy and Commission Formula just may be a terrific product. But here is my point: If I am going to invest my time in watching a sales video, I want to know who is promoting the product. And he lost me because he did not disclose his identity in the first 10 minutes of the video.

            The great Gary Halbert once said that the biggest challenge that marketers face is being "Believable." When I'm 10 minutes into a sales video and the marketer has not told me who he is -- the message becomes less believable. That is my point.

            Again, nothing against Alen. All I'm saying is that he lost me 10 minutes in because I was spending my time listening to a "Nameless Marketer" promote another IM product.
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    • Profile picture of the author gatorjack
      Originally Posted by oscarkool View Post

      Every free traffic type of course is exactly the same - find a product -> choose buyer keywords -> build a blog using wordpress -> write UNIQUE, HIGH QUALITY content (don't outsource unless your worker is an expert in that niche) at least 10 articles worth per site (this is where most people fail) -> add the articles to your site over the course of a few weeks -> let the site sit for 2-3 months (again, this is where people quit because new sites 90% of the time take time to rank high) -> move on to build a new site, don't sit around and wait for your 1st site to rank. You should be building MULTIPLE sites at once -> do this over and over again until you have 100+ sites.

      3 months from now when you're on your 15th site or so, you'll start to see your first few sites you built ranking well. 6 months from now, they'll be near the top. Not all sites will rank well. SEO takes practice. Only way to learn is to get to work.
      I'm no affiliate marketing expert but I really wonder about many of the so-called latest and greatest courses claiming to have the secrets to affiliate marketing. How many "secrets" can there actually be?

      What Oscac said is the very basis of what anyone needs to create a website and use an affiliate system.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tigerpaw
        I didn't complete this video, since it switched to the equally, vaguely worded, 'celebrity endorsements' before it was at all clear on what the presentation or the endorsements were even about. Showing me large checks and having your Level 1 buds tell me this is a no-brainer isn't exactly the best technique to get me to hit the buy button.

        Doing my best not to be redundant on some of the comments already made previously, but, every minute spent on watching(?) listening to this video put me a minute behind on the things I already have on my plate.

        If you aren't putting in the best of your effort to give me the best use of the time watching/listening to your video or audio, PLEASE respect my time, before I put you and your name on my LATER list. This competition for attention is so fierce, with dozens and dozens of autoresponders cranking out the next message, that your solicitation is moving me either toward something, or, potentially, away from something else better.

        This particular video could have very well been done as an audio in my newbie opinion (so, why waste time on a video to HEAR someone talk and flash occasional photo of a check they received months ago - make it an audio, regardless of what the trends are telling you, so that I can do other things other than to LISTEN to a VIDEO).

        Marketers! Listen!!! - As soon as I open up a message from a source or for a product that I don't recognize, I am opening up another tab or window to do some research on you or your product, WHILE YOUR VIDEO/AUDIO IS PLAYING in the original window. It's called 'multi-tasking', because, until I'm already benefiting with other benefits from you, you have NOT earned the right for my full attention - I already have an agenda, driven by those who have already earned the right ahead of you, from which you must strongly convince me is worth rearranging for you and your offering. In the absence of that justification, you're on the C or D list.

        So - what's on my A or B list, you might ask. There are a plethora of situations on my 50%, 60% 70% complete lists or just implemented list that are already underway. Take a number.

        Video is a double edged sword. It can be used effectively to drive a point.
        It can also be overused to the point of boredom and become a turnoff.
        This video was a case of the second.

        By the way - some of the very same 'market research' techniques that I use for primary purposes are also very useful for checking my 'risk/reward ratios' of this constant stream of time-grabbing offerings.

        I will remember these lessons learned, putting myself in the recipients shoes, during my own strategies.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoweb2000
    It's funny how "Blueprint, Formula, Mass, Rapid, Traffic, Commission" get used to death and no one seems to mind. They all basically say the same thing. The hard part is the implementation. The content writing and the seo is tough work for most newbies. I agreed with Oscar that this is where people fail the most.
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  • Profile picture of the author aclacy
    Does the course actually have a traffic loop hole like he mentions in the sales video? I still am not clear what this course is about...
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  • Profile picture of the author l23bc
    Just watched the Video and had to check it on here for infomation.

    perswealth
    Actually, he did mention his name in the video. Alan Sultanic
    Yeah that is correct, I watched the whole video but seems another membership course which is using scarity again (he says he will take it down soon,that sort of stuff plus he invited me here to watch it which i hated about the whole video)

    Has anyone heard of this man, Is he really a big marketer like he says he is,
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    • Profile picture of the author perswealth
      Originally Posted by l23bc View Post

      Just watched the Video and had to check it on here for infomation.



      Yeah that is correct, I watched the whole video but seems another membership course which is using scarity again (he says he will take it down soon,that sort of stuff plus he invited me here to watch it which i hated about the whole video)

      Has anyone heard of this man, Is he really a big marketer like he says he is,
      I'm with you as i've never heard of him before either. The only reason i even gave this guy a look is because Gauher Chaudry recommended him. In Gauher's email to his list, he specifically says that this guy is the real deal and that he has seen the numbers that this guy is purporting. So i looked.
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      • Profile picture of the author mariusr
        Originally Posted by perswealth View Post

        I'm with you as i've never heard of him before either. The only reason i even gave this guy a look is because Gauher Chaudry recommended him. In Gauher's email to his list, he specifically says that this guy is the real deal and that he has seen the numbers that this guy is purporting. So i looked.
        I guess Gauher also told you to clear your cookies and hit the "buy now" button, which results him getting 50% of the sales
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        • Profile picture of the author gatorjack
          I always like doing a search on the Warrior forums when I find out a new IM product/service. I'm on the mailing list for Gabor Olah and received an email about this guy.

          The first annoyance was the flash player (Flow Player) that Alan uses. Actually, maybe not the player but the way it was implemented. There is NO pause button. It's 7AM. I watched a little of the video while waiting for my coffee to make. I figured I'd just pause when made and come back.

          So, I watch the video a little longer and hope I can get some sembience of information that can give me a better clue to what he's trying to sell me. All I could see was "blah.. blah.. blah.. make money with affiliates.. blah... blah.. blah" I wanted him to tell me exactly, or at the very least, what was different about his affiliate money making system.

          After listening to it for maybe 15 minutes or so I started to get annoyed. At least 3 times within fifteen minutes he repeated himself talking about how only people close to him or those that "...paid $5,000" have access to what he's about to tell me. How this system (or however he worded it) is some sort of a secret. That's the way I interpreted it. He kept repeating about how it's "... never before seen..."

          There were a few other phrases but just about when you think he's going to say something other than the continued rambeling of how much money he's made. Continued rambeling how he was once poor and this magical system "... turned my life upside down."

          I admit, I have a short attention span and if something cannot keep my interest they very quickly lost my business. I don't mind people telling me how much money they made, and even give a mini biography about theirself but when they ramble on for 15+ minutes while repeating theirself, it gets very annoying.

          To give him the benefit of the doubt I'm downloading the video so I can watch on my PC and pause it when I need to. Another annoyance of the way he utilized the player prohibits you from see how much video you watch, how much is left, or the ability to slide back and forth between the video. Sometimes I like to rewind in case I missed something.

          I'll admit, I haven't made jack in affiliate. It's not from lack of knowledge, it's just from being lazy. I've read these posts that talk about newbies throwing money out the window on courses. I couldn't agree more.

          Anyone thinking about doing affiliate marketing I always highly recommend SBI (Site Build-It). A few years back I paid for it. Never did anything with it other than read the PDFs and watch the videos. However, I consider it to give people a very good basic foundation about content creation, organization, and how things work.

          The plus side is much of the information is free. There's 7 ebooks Ken gives away that explain the CTPM system. I tell people they do not need to purchase the yearly package. If they want support from others in the forums, aren't real good with creating websites, then I suggest they pay the package.

          I explain that if you can setup a WP blog, install a few basic plugins (mainly SEO-related), and write content then you really don't need the package that they sell on SBI. The only tool I really saw on SBI was the keyword analysis, of which even Google and Yahoo now has some rudamentary keyword analysis tools for free.

          Sorry for going a bit off topic on SBI there. I am going to watch the video now and see what's so unique about his affiliate marketing system.

          Edit:

          I also wanted to add, I'm not sure why some keep saying he doesn't identify himself. At least twice within the fifteen minutes or so of the video I watched he identified himself twice.
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          • Profile picture of the author mcmahanusa
            I watched the video and was less than impressed. Yes, he did identify himself - eventually - but he took so long to get to the point that I lost interest and had to force myself to continue on.

            Perhaps the value is there, perhaps not. But it's hard for me to believe those lovely income figures when presented by someone who can't afford an editor. I have rarely seen such misuse of the "incredible apostrophe". Sure, many people occasionally spell it's when they mean its, but the apostrophe is used improperly so many times in his video that it raised questions as to his true professionalism.

            Okay, that's nit-picky, I admit it. Bottom line - not worth it to me, when I've seen more valuable information for free in the War Room.

            But that's just me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Lee
    I get 3 or 4 emails a day from this guy pushing this system. I think it's blatant abuse of your list to market that way. I wouldn't give this any consideration just based on that.
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    • Profile picture of the author luboff
      What an incredibly boring video!

      Vids like this are an instant put off, all talk about anything but the product, keeps saying he is going to tell what its about in a few minutes, but then blunders on talking about what it has all meant to him, and how he is only realising it to a chosen few, and we are not to tell anyone else about it!!!!

      Blah blah blah - give us a break whoever you are - utter rubbish.
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  • Profile picture of the author yankforlife41
    I took Commission Formula and was a platinum member and have to say he really does offer good content. I had to get my money back because college just started and I need money for books, but It is a really good product.
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  • Profile picture of the author acethegunnerzzz
    pretty basic stuff
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  • Profile picture of the author JackTriggs
    Is great if you're just a beginner as it goes over both free and non-free methods. For experienced folks nothing new...but if you haven't bought an IM related product before this is a great investment
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Iser
    I'm obviously biased because I speak with Alen on a day-to-day basis so take of it what you will.

    It's a damn good product. The dude has actually made millions online - and I've seen some of his other successful websites in other markets too.

    In an industry of blind leading the blind, he's as real as it gets.

    But here's the thing: If you just buy a bunch of products over and over again and don't apply anything, don't even bother buying it.
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  • Profile picture of the author havaread
    I hate hearing the same script over and over.
    He sounded genuine but I'm choosing to keep the money and spend it my IM campaigns.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fking
    What's the SE glitch he talked about uncovering?
    Stuff like that usually make me suspicious

    And does he reveals anything different than the, find a low hanging fruit, build a blog, get some links and repeat.
    What niches he advises you to work in?
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    • Profile picture of the author wordwizard
      Originally Posted by oscarkool View Post

      You guys should stop buying courses. I swear my email box has 5 promotions every single day for courses and it's because newbies keep buying into these 'guru' rehashed courses.

      Every free traffic type of course is exactly the same - find a product -> choose buyer keywords -> build a blog using wordpress -> write UNIQUE, HIGH QUALITY content (don't outsource unless your worker is an expert in that niche) at least 10 articles worth per site (this is where most people fail) -> add the articles to your site over the course of a few weeks -> let the site sit for 2-3 months (again, this is where people quit because new sites 90% of the time take time to rank high) -> move on to build a new site, don't sit around and wait for your 1st site to rank. You should be building MULTIPLE sites at once -> do this over and over again until you have 100+ sites.

      3 months from now when you're on your 15th site or so, you'll start to see your first few sites you built ranking well. 6 months from now, they'll be near the top. Not all sites will rank well. SEO takes practice. Only way to learn is to get to work.

      There I just saved all of you a crap ton of money. Please hit the thanks button. Go buy yourself something great for $400.
      Wow! Loved your post! You're so right. Thanks!!!


      Originally Posted by l23bc View Post

      Just watched the Video and had to check it on here for infomation.

      Yeah that is correct, I watched the whole video but seems another membership course which is using scarity again (he says he will take it down soon,that sort of stuff plus he invited me here to watch it which i hated about the whole video)

      Has anyone heard of this man, Is he really a big marketer like he says he is,
      It's September 16th now and the video is STILL there. Just found it by clicking through someone's email that had just arrived in my inbox.

      so much for "taking it down".

      And I really dislike those kinds of videos and very rarely watch more than a minute of them anymore. And I pretty much stop opening emails from any marketers that send them to me too. In this case, I was trying to find out if the email in question was promoting something I had just seen elsewhere (a topic for a different thread). It wasn't.


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  • Profile picture of the author Bluekoala
    Commision formula sounds interesting.

    Waiting for more reviews to come tho..
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  • Profile picture of the author carolynblake
    Originally Posted by David Cumberbatch View Post

    Has anyone purchased Commission Formula by Alen Sultanic ? If so, any reviews on the product would be greatly appreciated.

    Is it worth the $497 price ? (or $397 if you hit the back button)
    I have the Platinum program and I am working it full on. I started in October '10 and I have put up 7 affiliate sites so far, using the material he supplied in the platinum package. I did NOT buy it! A friend did, who does not have enough internet skills to do it. So we worked out a venture together. I am somewhat of a marketing newbie, so I studied the videos carefully and I am implementing the instructions as perfectly as I know how. The material in the videos is abundant. Alen does say who he is, many times. He just talks fast and I get the impression he's not a formal person...just talking on the fly. I have learned a vast amount of skills and knowledge from this. I am still in free traffic mode, using affiliate sites. There are 3 phases, Free, CPA and PPC. I have to say, I have not made a dime!

    I am wondering if it is me...if I have made it more complicated that it is, or I am missing something, or doing something ineffective. I finally wrote to tech support and told them I was not making sales though I was doing the program carefully, and I wanted Alen to look at my sites and critique them. I described in detail how I was building sites and doing SEO. I got a reply telling me my email had been forwarded to Alen.

    That was 10 days ago. Granted it's the holidays, but sadly, my experience is that tech support is very poor. From the beginning it takes weeks sometimes to get answers and they are incomplete. And Alen's website is down. They do not have a phone number that I can find. I think he is a good guy, who needs to discipline his tech support people.

    When and if I get an answer from him, I will report bac, I have not found anything other than the poor tech support that I am unhappy with, and I definitely am learning the business. I do not have enough knowledge and experience to judge whether sites being up for about 2 months should be earning commissions.
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    • Profile picture of the author carolynblake
      I did get an answer from Alen Sultanic, and he asked me some questions, which I have answered. I anticipate a valuable reply. I have to apologize if I sounded in any way negative about Commission Formula in my original post. I have been going back through the videos for a second and third time over the last couple of days and mea culpa, there are some key points I missed. In my defense, and to Alen Sultanic's credit, these videos are 30 in number just on part 1(of 3) and they are VERY dense with information. I think unless you are already well educated with this stuff it's inevitable you will miss some things the first time through. The information is too dense to get it all on the first pass. My advice for Commission Formula, go slow and take notes. Do the process of setting up a site, and then BEFORE you start publishing it on the net, go through the videos again to check your process. After all, that is what we hire a coach for, to teach us the process that worked for them. If it were easy to get this stuff, then everyone would be doing it. Commission Formula is very detailed, and for that I am giving CF an A, because I want to learn. And I accept it takes time and effort.
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  • I've been a member pretty much since it opened. I am also an affiliate, and I have to say Alen is GENERALLY good at answering questions and resolving issues. I had an issue with a payment and he helped me resolve it. He also gave me some advice about what networks so to do better than others (TrafficVance - your welcome). I have to say that I like his method, and if you do it all by hand it will take some time. It also may take a bit of cash to setup in the beginning, but overall you have to out some real work into it to make it work. Hopefully that helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author carolynblake
      Thanks Juggernaut, I have been waiting now since December for a reply to my tech questions..not a happy feeling. I think the program is great, a thorough education, but it really suffers from the unresponsive and scanty tech support. I am reluctant to sound negative, but sheesh! My first inquiry on this question was made back in early December and it is now Jan. 19, and I just had to write my second email asking for a reply.

      A question to you is, you say it is a lot of work...that I will agree! But, isn't the general method of getting set up from the ground up to do affiliate marketing a lot work anyway? Is there another way of doing it that is less work and would get the same results? Or better results? Most every ground up free traffic affiliate mktg. plan I have looked at seems to entail exactly the same series of steps. And they are work! and time! If I am overdoing I surely do want to know.
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        Originally Posted by carolynblake View Post

        Thanks Juggernaut, I have been waiting now since December for a reply to my tech questions..not a happy feeling. I think the program is great, a thorough education, but it really suffers from the unresponsive and scanty tech support. I am reluctant to sound negative, but sheesh! My first inquiry on this question was made back in early December and it is now Jan. 19, and I just had to write my second email asking for a reply.

        A question to you is, you say it is a lot of work...that I will agree! But, isn't the general method of getting set up from the ground up to do affiliate marketing a lot work anyway? Is there another way of doing it that is less work and would get the same results? Or better results? Most every ground up free traffic affiliate mktg. plan I have looked at seems to entail exactly the same series of steps. And they are work! and time! If I am overdoing I surely do want to know.
        Hi CarolynB,

        Yes, it is a lot of work in the beginning. Like learning to drive a car,
        but later it gets easier and easier.

        Things like finding good tools and automation, and outsourcing
        100% of the work - yes, you can outsource 100% of it when
        you know exactly how the whole ball of wax works personally.

        You can also, when you have made some income, buy totally
        turn-key websites already generating cash!

        But that is all advanced stuff. If you tried to do it at your
        level of knowledge, chances are you would be trowing
        your money away.

        So, take heart, the money, it trickles in at first, starts to
        roll, (with some knowledgeable pushing - called work),
        then snowballs to where you can't stop it!

        Jim ><>
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