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13 years ago

This is not the first time Brad is doing that.

His previous network, MyArticleNetwork was nothing but a white label of ArticleMarketingAutomation from PLRPro guys. And Brad didn't mention it on his sales page. I was already a member of AMA and signed up for MAN. It took me some time to realize that they are both the same network.

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pavionjsl

13 years ago

Repackaging if you have a email list, good copy, and a nice looking sign up page is his niche.

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Brad Callen

13 years ago

1. kflanagan28: No, it is not Dori's SEONitro. It is a 100% completely different network. Dori and I are partners on the SEOLV Elite network. It was built from scratch. Like you said, high PR blog networks like these work very very well. You will not see them offered to the public, because they're typically built and used privately by savvy SEOs.

2. kflanagan28: Thank you for your kind words about SEOLinkVine. That's very nice of you.

3. Neo: myArticleNetwork is not my network and I have nothing to do with it. I have never, and will NEVER re-brand someone else's product and pass it off as my own. Period.

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kflanagan28

13 years ago

Brad

Yes, I know link networks are built by SEO's and used privately. I also know most big agencies own their own networks. Guess what, I know because I have used both. My own worked well, but Google is getting better at punishing these networks and the cost of buying dropped domains makes it a pretty big investment, so I can see the value in what you are doing. Plus I don't feel they are savy SEO's - its not difficult to build a network. Savy SEO's are those ranking in markets using techniques that everyone else can't simpyl copy. Networks are just a case of who has the biggest purse.

SEOLinkVine was rubbish, I am sorry if that is blunt. There was also a review over at LinkVana which said as much. I have tested most networks and all suffer from the same problem. Low quality sites, links loose values once pages get thrown of the home page and over time, the value of links coming from the same bunch of sites diminish. You can claim differently, I know what I am talking about.

If its a separate product. Why call it SEONitro. I know your promoted SEOLinkVine with links from her network because I used to use her network for affiliate sites myself and saw links to linkvine there. In fact, that is how I first came across your site. This obviously lead me to the conclusion that you were packaging up her network. It sounds identical, including price.

Now, just to say, I own a bunch of your tools and was a member of Search Marketing Elite, which was great, so do respect your knowledge and position as an SEO expert.

My point above was a valid question and the comment on LinkVine was my experience from running lots of links against low competitive keywords.

I have no doubt if your network is the same as Dori's it will increase rank for a lot of sites. That wasn't something I was disputing.

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1. kflanagan28: No, it is not Dori's SEONitro. It is a 100% completely different network. Dori and I are partners on the SEOLV Elite network. It was built from scratch. Like you said, high PR blog networks like these work very very well. You will not see them offered to the public, because they're typically built and used privately by savvy SEOs.

2. kflanagan28: Thank you for your kind words about SEOLinkVine. That's very nice of you.

3. Neo: myArticleNetwork is not my network and I have nothing to do with it. I have never, and will NEVER re-brand someone else's product and pass it off as my own. Period.

Brad

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Brad Callen 13 years ago

Quick response and then I'm outy...

1. Get links to your links. When links move off of a homepage, it won't matter because you're building links to the actual permanent residence of your link. I do this. You probably do this as well. This is what I suggest anyone using any article syndication network does. Anyone complaining about poor quality blogs on article syndication networks aren't using them correctly. Article syndication is to primarily build quantity, with added benefit of building some quality. It's a piece of the ranking puzzle, albeit my favorite and core piece of choice. I am a member of all syndication networks. Getting links to your links negates the fact that some blogs might be low quality.

2. In the next 2 months we're adding a quick index feature to SEOLV whereby the actual page the user's links are on will get links automatically (indexing the page, and building some PR directly to the page). This will not only get the page the link was published to indexed faster, but it will also build internal strength to the entire network.

3. Dori is my partner on SEOLV Elite. Yes, I have been a member of her network for a LONG time. I know networks like this work very well, which is why I wanted my own. I would never sell something that I've never tried or know doesn't work well. I paid her a very hefty sum to build a large network for me personally. I believe heavily in leveraging the knowledge of others. Dori is very good at building powerful networks. I hired the best of the best to build mine. I then released my personal network to 50 people. SEONitro is not SEOLV Elite. I'm not sure why you say/think it is. It is a completely different network of websites. The pricing structure is the same because Dori is running the show. I don't call it SEONitro. Not sure why you say I do. I'll be building more and more of these types of high PR networks over time. To each his own.

You're a smart guy. I have no bones to pick with you and hope you don't see my response as anything but an answer to your questions/comments.

Enjoy your Thursday night. I should get off the PC :-)

Brad
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- kflanagan28 13 years ago
  
  Hi Brad
  
  Thanks for the response. But to be clear, I went to the page as soon as I got the email and the packages were named SEONitro. This is why I posted the above. I would of never queried it unless the packages were named that. You have since changed the names.
  
  On all your other points. I agree, most of the networks are best used to build links to links.
  
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  mrizos 13 years ago
  
  Once your post/article leaves the homepage with PR it becomes a PR N/A (a.k.a nearly useless)...so what's the point in paying so much for this type of service?
  
  You could take that 997/month and buy lots of high PR domains from DP with some very strong backlinks to them already (verify this with seo spyglass) and then drop (and keep) your links on high PR pages permanently.
  
  I'm doing this now and it's hands down the best way to get ranked and stay there. It's not easy, but those high PR links work wonders....and...I'm in charge of my own high PR network (on different class C's).
  
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- housewarrior 13 years ago
  
  Hello Brad,
  Let me take a slightly different course. I have been with SEO Linkvine for a few months now. I came in on the strength of my experience with Brad's Keyword Elite...
  With SEO Linkvine, I actually was able to get my wife to spin my articles for me. This was NO small task.
  Brad, it's your company and your marketing strategy, and I respect that. I have gladly told a great many folks that there are two people in our biz that I really have come to trust, you being one of them. I'm sure there are more, but I haven't had the pleasure of meeting everyone. (In an electronic way, natch.)
  But...here comes the but... When I visited the new Linkvine offer, it set me back in my chair.
  Brad, it's like you told me way back that I was getting the first class treatment, and later, I find out that my bags have been stowed in steerage.
  I'm paying $47 bucks a month for all the blogs, Brad. I'm not paying $500 a year so you can rat hole the best ones for the high rollers.
  Here's the deal...If you had *originally* sold the program with this understanding, then of course, I couldn't say a word now. But you didn't.
  You had to have calculated that there would be squawking from your trusting original users going on about this. What was your plan? How were you going to answer us?
  Can you give me a reason to stay now that I know that it's all low to no PR value for me now, and never going to be nearly as good it could have been.
  Can you make it right Brad? If it were me, I wouldn't have gone about it this way...and I'd be willing to bet you were told that very thing when you told your trusted advisers about your two tier SEO Linkvine plan. If you weren't, they let you down.
  
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Sylonious

13 years ago

I got an e-mail about the SEOLinkvine Elite service yesterday.

The sales letter says you get links from 400 different sites and 100 different Ip addresses.
Why not have all the sites on a different C-Class Ip Address?

Do all of these authority sites have sitelinks?

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excoder01

13 years ago

I see folks already jumping on the bandwagon to pay $497 to 997/month for this private network - I'm guessing they're already making 5-figure online already to invest in this, right? Couldn't similar effect be done for the fraction of those monthly fees?

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Haroon Ballim

13 years ago

I received an email advertising this and watched the video promo.
The prices seem ludicrous
The person speaking in the video comes accross as rather arrogant.
If you are asking your customers to pay up to $997 a month than you certainly need to provide a good experience and that means speaking to potential customers in a respectful manner.
If you withdraw after paying for 11 months they will remove all your links.
That means up to $10 000 dollars down the drain
Is that even legal , to keep your money and remove everything you paid for . I am sure it violates a number consumer protection laws

To me the asking price is just way too much ..

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terrapurus

13 years ago

Originally Posted by hbnavajo

I received an email advertising this and watched the video promo.
The prices seem ludicrous
The person speaking in the video comes accross as rather arrogant.
If you are asking your customers to pay up to $997 a month than you certainly need to provide a good experience and that means speaking to potential customers in a respectful manner.
If you withdraw after paying for 11 months they will remove all your links.
That means up to $10 000 dollars down the drain
Is that even legal , to keep your money and remove everything you paid for . I am sure it violates a number consumer protection laws

To me the asking price is just way too much ..

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Your interpretation does not take into account that the conditions are openly stated.

If you pay a monthly service then you are entitled to the benefits that service gives you for that defined period. Only if you are a member for 12 months would the service be permanent. If you what you are saying is correct, then if I buy a link on your website for 1 month then you are breaking consumer protection laws by removing if I don't renew at the end of the month. Or if I hire a car, the car him company is breaking consumer protection laws when it expects that car back at the end of the hire agreement.

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Doctore

13 years ago

Hi Brad,

Can you clarify what we get with option #3? From what I can decipher, it's enabling us to ONLY post our articles/links right?

Also, are the niches of the sites spread around so we are likely to find a suitable site that matches our niche?

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Mbogo

13 years ago

Hi all. I'm still fairly new to SEO. Brad mentioned the following:

1. Get links to your links. When links move off of a homepage, it won't matter because you're building links to the actual permanent residence of your link.

What does he mean by this? The only article marketing network I've used is SEO Linkvine and I've merely been writing and spinning articles and linking back to pages on my site. I take it Brad's talking about something different, or is it the same thing?

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unclepennybags 13 years ago

Not that it matters because it already sold out but do not waste your money. That is so expensive. It might be worth it if the blogs were pagerank 5 and above but even still. You can get powerful backlink tools for a couple hundred dollars a month like Linx Boss, Build My Rank, and UAW.

And if you were thinking of getting the VIP you could build a private blog network for yourself with that kind of money that would crush any competition if you play your cards right.
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Doctore

13 years ago

Hi Housewarrior..

(Disclaimer -- I'm not affiliated with Brad in ANYWAY, besides being one of his customers.)

I'm a member of SEOV and SEOL Elite, and the way I see it is that the difference between SEOLV and SELV Elite is that with SEOLV, Brad encourages people to become part of his network in order to get free unique content in exchange for adding your blog to the network. He doesn't have any restrictions on PR, location of server, hosting requirements, etc... all he asks is that you not alter the links in the content that is pushed to your posts.. (i know this is a very high lever overview, but im sure you get what im trying to say)

Now with SELV Elite, Brad and his partners have went out and did two things.. 1) they purchased a lot of high PR sites and 2) they built up some high PR sites... Moreover, they ensured that the locations of the severs were spread around so they are on different Class C IP addresses, variable domain ages, different registrars, etc... so what that means for you as a member, is that you are getting all quality links due to the above factors.. thats not to say SEOLV is all crap, its just he doesnt place the same restrictions on who joins the network..

In summary, think of SEOLV as more of an open network of blogs with very little restriction -- meaning anyone can join and add their site... and SEOLV Elite as a network of tightly controlled, high PR blogs that Brad and his team go out and either purchase or build up..

Hope this makes sense...

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digitalmedia

13 years ago

I know membership is closed to this but I'd be interested to know what sort of results people have been getting using linkvine elite.

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JackPowers

13 years ago

SEOLinkvine is ok value for money I think, it's certainly much better, in my opinion, than UAW or other Article Distribution services.

The problem with all these blog networks is of course that your home page link, where all the PR juice is, gets pushed back after a while and then you have a PR 0 link instead.

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mikkosant

13 years ago

With these networks you really need to be able to grab the exact url so that you can ping it, index it, and effectively boost it. Otherwise, many of these blog snippet articles seem to get lost in internet space pretty much and don't provide much of a seo boost.

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kkchoon

13 years ago

I heard many complaints about blog network, this and that... it's just a tool.

Keyword research is the most important part when we use those tools, we can either plan our strategy to leverage whatever link power it has, or complain about it all the time, this never ends.

Pick the right keywords, and it will rank. If SEOLinkvine has a rank power of 2, then Elite SEOLinkvine will have a rank power of 10! You can reach the same ranking with 5 times more effort using SEOLV vs SEOLV Elite.

Even with Elite, you are not going to be SEO King, pick the wrong keywords and you won't see traffic any time soon.

Low competition keywords are easily achieve with any kind of backlinks, while higher competition keywords will need these:

1. Mix of link types
2. Enough trust rank from authority sites
3. Positive Link Velocity - Always gain more links than losses..

Is not the tool that are the problems, is the strategy and keyword research.

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kkchoon

13 years ago

BTW, here are some reviews about SEONitro:

http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ion-nitro.html

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Sleaklight 13 years ago

I just noticed that seolinkvine has changed the max requests you can get per article from 10 per day to just 4 day. This is bad, its bad enough with just 10 requests per day where many of the blog owners don't either approve or deny the articles, they just let them sit there ( I have thousands pending ). Reducing it now to just 4 requests per day isn't helping. If anything they should have raised the requests per day instead of reducing it. This would help in getting the articles distributed more. Maybe it's time to try one of the many replacements? Attached is an image of the change.
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simonf_71

13 years ago

I notice articles published is getting a lot less now. Some are only getting around 10 published although I choose a lot of general category.

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Sleaklight

13 years ago

Yeah they are getting a lot less distributions. Contact support and they say select as many possible categories, well I am selecting 30 categories to all my articles and still very low distributions.

Mainly for the same reason, many of the blog owners signed up to get free content and don't bother to neither approve/deny the articles. It's just wasted daily distributions to blog owners who will probably never publish them. There's a lot of people making the links redirects adding word filters and the url's get broken because of them because certain words get replaced with asterisks, many blogs are nofollow. I have reported over 50 since I joined and I simply don't have the time to moderate the blogs that the articles get on there.

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