Kajabi The Non Affiliate Truthful Review

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Hi guys. I seldom post anything here out of respect for your great knowledge. But in the mist of a major launch like Kajabi there are a few things I had to share on my site.

Kajabi The Non Affiliate Truthful Review

PS the Kajabi video is on there too

Many new people in marketing might mistake this for another silver bullet.

So I have a question that I would like to share in another post I will do.

Could you please name alternate programs and services as opposed to Kajabi? I will gladly share and thank you in advance.

- Darren
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by darrenmonroe View Post

    Could you please name alternate programs and services as opposed to Kajabi? I will gladly share and thank you in advance.
    Hosted services:

    - Nanacast
    - Premium Web Cart
    - Business Catalyst

    Installed services:

    - Digital Access Pass
    - Viral Membership System
    - Login Frequency Marketing

    All of these are basically "remove the spaces and add .com" for the domain names. Viral Membership System in particular is on sale for under $100 as part of the benefit for Bev Clement, at least for the next 12 hours or so.
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    rather than Kajabi, I prefer Nigiri, with wasabi sauce, or maybe a little soy.

    :-)
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    @CDarklock thanks for the resources sir
    @snapcontent LOL

    Keep them coming please
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    • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
      WOW I already got some not so nice emails this morning because of that post. One affiliate even blocked me from their FB LOL.

      Truth be told I would rather be unpopularity real than a popular liar.

      Going to relax and catch a quick power nap. Please share resource alternative ideas like i originally posted if and when you can. Thanks again.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by darrenmonroe View Post

        WOW I already got some not so nice emails this morning because of that post. One affiliate even blocked me from their FB LOL.
        I'm a Kajabi affiliate, and I think anyone who isn't looking at Kajabi's alternatives is an idiot.

        If Kajabi's so awesome, you can look at the competition all you want and it's still awesome.

        If Kajabi's NOT awesome - or just not awesome enough - then you shouldn't buy it!

        How hard is that?

        It is one thing to be an affiliate and say "I'm going to promote this to my list." But I'm going to promote it honestly, and my email to my list said "I'm not sure about this, and here are two alternatives that I think may actually be just as good for my purposes."

        And then my list sent back four more alternatives. And that list I gave you up there is the combination of my original two, and the four my list sent over.

        One of them - Login Frequency Marketing - is Robert Puddy's product. And Robert Puddy just sent me the stock Kajabi promotion for today. You know the one, with "FINALLY they get it" at the beginning?

        Promoting something to your list doesn't mean there are no alternatives, or that nobody should be considering alternatives. It just means you believe in the product enough to recommend it.

        I'll happily recommend DAP, DLGuard, and RAP in the same breath if someone wants to protect their downloads, because they're all good products. The idea of one product being better than all the rest is just not reality, in most cases.
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        • Profile picture of the author WikiWarrior
          Nice review on your site Darren, it's always good to get a different persepctive. I'm hoping to launch a couple of membership sites soon and am finding it very difficult to choose between the different options.

          What I like about Kajabi is that you can do so many things from one place. Ever since I got into internet marketing a few years ago I've hoped someone would come out with a great product where I can do all my IM activities from a 'unified command centre' and it seems like this is what Kajabi is trying to achieve. It just seems to make everything simpler, less messy and allow me to look professional with the products I launch and give them a higher perceived value as a result.

          Whilst I won't be putting all my eggs in one basket, I feel like I can have faith in doing business with a fellow marketer at the top of his game and look forward to trying Kajabi out. From the video it looks like they have lots planned for the future and I think I can learn a lot from being involved in its growth.

          It would be cool if someone did a comparison of all these top systems side-by-side. I only have experience of DAP for membership software(which is excellent).
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          • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
            Darren,

            Just read your review and you are correct. If this is just one more shiny object you buy and you're not making bank already you're going to get hosed.

            This is not a software for newbies. In fact, all the cool graphics, the neat videos, all the toys that give the look and feel that makes this so appealing are going to cost a fortune if you have to outsource them. It's fun to believe that you can buy this and you'll look like a rock star, but the truth is it will just sit there costing you money every month unless you have an overwhelming need for something like this. This is not content. But I can see where it may be easy to think, "Oh, that's the way I want my stuff to look!"

            Ain't gonna happen...

            ~Bill


            Btw, spotted a minor typo..." Now for the record I don't thing these...", but the review looked solid.
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  • Profile picture of the author dipenb
    As usual the gurus are going to make it over hype. Let's see.
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    no need to hype it. the thing is bad as hell.

    you could rig other stuff to kinda do the same thing, but do you know what needs to get done? do you have the ability/time/money to do it?

    There's always a tradeoff. the alternatives out there look cool, but you're still gonna have to hack some stuff together.

    kern used it for list control and as a customer, it was easy to use, looked slick and was packed with cool features. it made things easy... for him and for us.

    and the thing is pretty cheap.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zach Booker
      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      no need to hype it. the thing is bad as hell.

      you could rig other stuff to kinda do the same thing, but do you know what needs to get done? do you have the ability/time/money to do it?

      There's always a tradeoff. the alternatives out there look cool, but you're still gonna have to hack some stuff together.

      kern used it for list control and as a customer, it was easy to use, looked slick and was packed with cool features. it made things easy... for him and for us.

      and the thing is pretty cheap.
      This.

      Not an affiliate, not going to promote it, etc. But going to get it and use it on a few upcoming products.
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      • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
        Originally Posted by Zach Booker View Post

        This.

        Not an affiliate, not going to promote it, etc. But going to get it and use it on a few upcoming products.
        Hey Zach if you could post your experience would appreciate it.
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        • Profile picture of the author jminkler
          @Darren
          As usual you bring up some good content. If you have been following the whole story at all, (Since Kern's Good Karma List Machine debacle) you know that most of the things that Kajabi does revolves around SocialEngine, or at least they did till *someone* blew the whistle.

          Truth be told, this is a glorified fantasico cpanel setup. I see this over and over again, newbies pressured into getting aweber when they have a 10 person list (or even 1000 ppl) when PHPList is a click away, fancy membership site software - joomla, drupal, and .net alternatives. "hosting in the cloud" ... seriously? Even people on the get Kajabi page were complaining the video sound was cut off, or the video just stopped. "Server melting" ya sure. This isn't facebook.

          This is akin to the classic Web Designer scam, "I'll do your site and handle all the hosting for you, so you dont have to worry about it". 6months later when you want some changes done and they are dragging their feet on it, you lose your entire site cause it's under the control of the designer, you don't even have access to the code.

          Do you really need a privately hosted Discussion and answer forum? If you really want to pay for something, use getsatisfaction, something people already trust and love and already works.

          Pay one developer ONE TIME to create an admin panel for you that will deploy frameworks of sites pre setup with the templates you already use, link in to all the API's (clickbank, cj, rss feeds, etc). Have them build your own private "command center". I think a lot of people hire developers to create one site, then the next, then the next, and it kills their bottom line and it wastes precious time dealing with all the freelancers out there. Find somebody you trust!

          Never ever let someone else be in control of your site's code or hosting.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dexx
            Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

            6months later when you want some changes done and they are dragging their feet on it, you lose your entire site cause it's under the control of the designer, you don't even have access to the code.

            ...

            Never ever let someone else be in control of your site's code or hosting.
            Powerful realities right there.

            ~Dexx
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            • Profile picture of the author jminkler
              Honestly I think what would have been a better business model for them is to drop the greedy residuals.

              Now, anyone feel free to take this idea and run with it ...

              instead of hosting EVERYTHING in the cloud, users would have the option of doing so (say they wanted more bandwidth for an upcoming launch, but after the launch traffic drops to nothing).

              Users would still login to the cloud, setup everything in the cloud etc but at the end when you are ready to publish, it simply gives you a zip file which can then get ftp'd to your server or servers (for funneling sites).

              Users would only then have to pay for what they used, added 5 funnel sites, one squeeze page and a video hosted on aws? Its a flat fee.

              Then when the users are in the site users get to REALLY see what they can do with Kajabi and the exact cost to install it on their own servers.

              If they were that tied to the monthly fees, they could charge a small "administration and upkeep" fee. But because of the lower entry cost this model may lower the barriers, and get more exposure.
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              • Profile picture of the author Ken Reno
                Thank you Darren for the eye-opening review on your blog. I loved the part about what your Grandmother taught you, if only this were taught more...

                I'll still be using Kajabi, only because I can afford it, and as you shared - because I've worked on those skills already to piece something together if I had to. At this stage in the game for me it's about time and ease of management, so I'll give it a go on some upcoming software releases and see if it wows me. :-)

                Keep up the good work!
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          • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
            You've really gotta stop blowing that particular horn. It has been said over and over yet you refuse to listen that Kerms GKLM has nothing at all to do with Kajabi. They are two seperate programs by two seperate people. Andys Kajabi has nothing at all to do with Kerns product.

            You looking out for others is commendable but at least get your story right before blindly slamming someone or their product.

            Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

            @Darren
            As usual you bring up some good content. If you have been following the whole story at all, (Since Kern's Good Karma List Machine debacle) you know that most of the things that Kajabi does revolves around SocialEngine, or at least they did till *someone* blew the whistle.
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            • Profile picture of the author GlenH
              I'm not picking on Kajabi specifically by any means But these 'do-it-all for you systems' are great in theory.

              But to put your business in the hands of other people systems, servers and technology, is a risk I'm not taking again.

              I've seen too many of these 'systems' fall apart where the owners just shut it all down after a time leaving users hung out to dry (I know first hand. It's happened to me twice)

              And no one knows IF or WHEN it all might happen.

              I want to OWN my web properties and the technologies outright, and always have total control over what happens.

              Other might not agree...and that's fine.


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            • Profile picture of the author jminkler
              Originally Posted by Johnny Slater View Post

              You've really gotta stop blowing that particular horn. It has been said over and over yet you refuse to listen that Kerms GKLM has nothing at all to do with Kajabi. They are two seperate programs by two seperate people. Andys Kajabi has nothing at all to do with Kerns product.

              You looking out for others is commendable but at least get your story right before blindly slamming someone or their product.
              So your saying Kern didn't use Kajabi to put together that List Control site? And it just happens that the code he gives out produced the same exact site as the List Control site ( and several other sites I saw that were feeding into it?)

              Did he or did he not use Kajabi for that launch?
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              • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
                Yes he used Kajabi for the site launch. However, that has nothing at all to do with the script that he gave away free for signing up. Those two are seperate programs.

                Following your thinking if I used RAP to run a site where I gave away a script that I wrote then RAP and my script are somehow related and use the same code. ( Just using RAP as an example here.. any other program could fit into this example.)

                The GKLM script was something that Kern had created for him. It has nothing at all to do with Andys program. Andy himself has said that no one outside of the development team has even looked at the Kajabi code base and that no code from Kajabi has been given out by anyone.

                You assumed that just because Kern was using Kajabi to power his site that it in some way related to the script he was giving out for signing up to his list. That is a flawed assumption at best.

                Several people did use the GKLM script to run some sites so yes you did see the exact same look in other places. That has nothing at all to do with Andy Jenkins or Kajabi, that just means that Kern wasn't the only on one to make use of the GKLM script.

                Instead of blindly spouting off what you think happened you should at least verify what you think before you go around slamming an innocent person and causing possible damage to their reputation.

                The Kajabi platform has nothing at all to do with the script that Kern gave out as a freebie other than Kajabi was used to run the List Control launch. Andy himself has asked you before to produce any code that came from Kajabi because no one but his developers have access to it. Until you can show solid proof then every time you even mention this issue you are breaking rule #1 of this forum and I will report it every time I see it from this point on.

                Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

                So your saying Kern didn't use Kajabi to put together that List Control site? And it just happens that the code he gives out produced the same exact site as the List Control site ( and several other sites I saw that were feeding into it?)

                Did he or did he not use Kajabi for that launch?
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                • Profile picture of the author Netafile
                  One of the coolest parts of Kajabi, I think, is the evergreen function, or the perpetual launch.

                  You could get that functionality here:
                  Product Launch Wordpress Theme | Cheap Internet Marketing Tools
                  (not an affiliate link) for one time $77

                  So if you used a premium Wordpress theme with a membership plugin (Wishlist, DAP) you've got 90% of the functionality of Kajabi.

                  Yeah, there are lot's of cool community features that aren't available for WP (as far as I know) so it depends on your need.

                  If you aren't launching a membersite with monthly continuity, Kajabi may not be the best investment.

                  Sure is sexy, though... :-)

                  Hope this helps.
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              • Profile picture of the author ShaLiam
                Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

                So your saying Kern didn't use Kajabi to put together that List Control site? And it just happens that the code he gives out produced the same exact site as the List Control site ( and several other sites I saw that were feeding into it?)

                Did he or did he not use Kajabi for that launch?
                Yes Kern absolutely used Kajabi, Andy even showed web clips of the launch in his kajabi launch video
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                • Profile picture of the author jminkler
                  Originally Posted by ShaLiam View Post

                  Yes Kern absolutely used Kajabi, Andy even showed web clips of the launch in his kajabi launch video
                  Ok so if he used it, why did he introduce the GKLM saying "This is the exact software I used for this launch, and I'm giving it away"

                  (It's at like the 3min mark in the videos)

                  And if he didn't then ...
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                  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
                    Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

                    Ok so if he used it, why did he introduce the GKLM saying "This is the exact software I used for this launch, and I'm giving it away"

                    (It's at like the 3min mark in the videos)

                    And if he didn't then ...
                    Good Karma List Machine (GKLM) and its intended purpose is not related in any way shape or form to Kajabi.

                    It was a piece of software Frank was giving away as a bonus to get people to want to buy his List Control course more.

                    He used Kajabi to manage, deliver, and run his launch.

                    One thing has nothing to do with the other.

                    I'm not sticking up for either one of these guys, but you really should do a little more research before you start blurting out statements in an accusatory tone without knowing what you're talking about.

                    Just sayin
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                    • Profile picture of the author Wuuki
                      Update Real World Experience:

                      - purchased the trial
                      - sent in a couple of tickets because of bugs - but no response
                      - found out that data will be lost when account canceled (a 100% no-no for me)
                      - canceled my trial

                      Fast forward 14 days:

                      Today I found out the guys billed my card with 2 x $99.......Wow!

                      Sent them another support ticket - hope, it was a mistake but to me, it shows something.

                      Make up your mind about this AND if you really want to let people have your data without a chance taking them with you when leaving the service: A joke.

                      Hope this helps.

                      Cheers

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                      • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
                        Originally Posted by Wuuki View Post

                        Update Real World Experience:

                        - purchased the trial
                        - sent in a couple of tickets because of bugs - but no response
                        - found out that data will be lost when account canceled (a 100% no-no for me)
                        - canceled my trial

                        Fast forward 14 days:

                        Today I found out the guys billed my card with 2 x $99.......Wow!

                        Sent them another support ticket - hope, it was a mistake but to me, it shows something.

                        Make up your mind about this AND if you really want to let people have your data without a chance taking them with you when leaving the service: A joke.

                        Hope this helps.

                        Cheers

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                        Thanks for taking the time to share.
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                        Originally Posted by Wuuki View Post

                        Update Real World Experience:

                        - purchased the trial
                        - sent in a couple of tickets because of bugs - but no response
                        - found out that data will be lost when account canceled (a 100% no-no for me)
                        - canceled my trial

                        Fast forward 14 days:

                        Today I found out the guys billed my card with 2 x $99.......Wow!

                        Sent them another support ticket - hope, it was a mistake but to me, it shows something.

                        Make up your mind about this AND if you really want to let people have your data without a chance taking them with you when leaving the service: A joke.

                        Hope this helps.

                        Cheers

                        Volker
                        You know, poor supporting team would be the greatest NO-NO to me, because I'm not a tech savvy person.

                        That's the single most important thing for me, when it comes to technical stuff.

                        I'm glad I didn't pick them up but DLP.

                        Thanks for your insightful post, Volker.

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                      • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
                        You know that was why I did not take the deal because it just seemed to me like the terms were not clear, like the setup fee, ect, glad I made the right choice, because, looks like the whole thing allegedly was just not ready for prime time.

                        Learning how not to do a product launch,

                        Priceless.....

                        Originally Posted by Wuuki View Post

                        Update Real World Experience:

                        - purchased the trial
                        - sent in a couple of tickets because of bugs - but no response
                        - found out that data will be lost when account canceled (a 100% no-no for me)
                        - canceled my trial

                        Fast forward 14 days:

                        Today I found out the guys billed my card with 2 x $99.......Wow!

                        Sent them another support ticket - hope, it was a mistake but to me, it shows something.

                        Make up your mind about this AND if you really want to let people have your data without a chance taking them with you when leaving the service: A joke.

                        Hope this helps.

                        Cheers

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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

            Never ever let someone else be in control of your site's code or hosting.
            thats the money quote there. Kajabi looks fantastic but I disagree that its a no brainer for seasoned marketers. I am and thats exactly what gives me pause.

            If i could use the services integrated into MY site then absolutely no brainer. If I want to build a unique feature into it then I m stuck. For someone who has no such aspirations then its great.

            Do they really have no export system for your content if you choose to leave. Its not a matter of just whether I decide I want to stop paying the bill. Its also wanting not to be locked in if I don't find the servers reliable or fast enough. Plus its more than handing over code. Its building my entire business around something I don't own or control
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            • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              If i could use the services integrated into MY site then absolutely no brainer. If I want to build a unique feature into it then I m stuck.
              QFT.
              Even then, it would have to be a one-time fee. Maybe with an annual (optional) update plan or something like that. I don't want to have to pay a monthly fee, just to keep my existing content alive.
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            • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
              Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

              @Darren
              Never ever let someone else be in control of your site's code or hosting.
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              thats the money quote there. Kajabi looks fantastic but I disagree that its a no brainer for seasoned marketers. I am and thats exactly what gives me pause.

              If i could use the services integrated into MY site then absolutely no brainer. If I want to build a unique feature into it then I m stuck. For someone who has no such aspirations then its great.

              Do they really have no export system for your content if you choose to leave. Its not a matter of just whether I decide I want to stop paying the bill. Its also wanting not to be locked in if I don't find the servers reliable or fast enough. Plus its more than handing over code. Its building my entire business around something I don't own or control
              That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard ...

              99.9999999% of all the IM'ers on this forum recommend using a hosted autoresponder service like Aweber, GetResponse, or some other alternative... guess where your data is stored, guess who controls the features, guess who maintains the code, and guess what happens when you leave?

              The same thing that happens with ANY hosted service.

              Where is all the hate against 1ShoppingCart at $99 a month? You might say, but they include an autoresponder .... true, but it looks like Kajabi includes a lot of things 1ShoppingCart doesn't.

              Where is all the hate for InfusionSoft? Same deal, it's a $99 or more a month shopping cart solution, so why isn't everyone freaking out about that one?

              Is Kajabi for everyone? No, it's not ... nothing is for everyone. If it's for you, great, if it's not, that's fine too ... evaluate it for free, and find out for yourself. 1sc, and Infusion don't give you that option... Andy is.

              And no, I'm not promoting it myself ... so don't think there's some hidden motive here. Just really getting tired of all the bashing without seeing a counterpoint based in reality.

              It's a new product that's being released ... why wouldn't it be hyped up like EVERY new product that's released? New movie, tons of hype... new Apple product, crazy hype, new video game system, hype hype hype. But if it's an IM product being released ... let's burn people at the stake?

              Don't use a hosted service... LOL. I'm sorry, but what a bunch of hypocrites.

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              • Profile picture of the author freedumb
                Originally Posted by Gary_The_Ace View Post

                That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard ...

                99.9999999% of all the IM'ers on this forum recommend using a hosted autoresponder service like Aweber, GetResponse, or some other alternative... guess where your data is stored, guess who controls the features, guess who maintains the code, and guess what happens when you leave?

                The same thing that happens with ANY hosted service.

                Where is all the hate against 1ShoppingCart at $99 a month? You might say, but they include an autoresponder .... true, but it looks like Kajabi includes a lot of things 1ShoppingCart doesn't.

                Where is all the hate for InfusionSoft? Same deal, it's a $99 or more a month shopping cart solution, so why isn't everyone freaking out about that one?

                Is Kajabi for everyone? No, it's not ... nothing is for everyone. If it's for you, great, if it's not, that's fine too ... evaluate it for free, and find out for yourself. 1sc, and Infusion don't give you that option... Andy is.

                And no, I'm not promoting it myself ... so don't think there's some hidden motive here. Just really getting tired of all the bashing without seeing a counterpoint based in reality.

                It's a new product that's being released ... why wouldn't it be hyped up like EVERY new product that's released? New movie, tons of hype... new Apple product, crazy hype, new video game system, hype hype hype. But if it's an IM product being released ... let's burn people at the stake?

                Don't use a hosted service... LOL. I'm sorry, but what a bunch of hypocrites.

                -Gary Ambrose
                Oh snap! You mean marketers bitching about other people marketing is hypocritical!? I thought that is what you are supposed to do here. I didn't buy a playstation because it was overhyped and had an obviously staged limited release. Instead I use spare computer parts and an emulator, but its just as good damn it! Heh.

                I spent a few hours using Kajerbi. I didn't like it. It's a nice solution though. I personally am not going to use it because I want more custom control. I have to say though, I think it's great for newbies. It's a HUGE time and money saving tool for newbies and medium level info product publishers. I think it's more ideal for newbies and medium level marketers than for advanced marketers.

                Seasoned marketers will know right away if its a tool that will help them or not. If it is, they will use it. If not, they will move on with their lives. Newbs and Medium Level marketers will debate back and forth if they should get it or not - because the potential of what it can do may really help their business.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by Gary_The_Ace View Post

                That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard ...
                Funny because that response is right up there on that list as far as I am concerned. In what world is using a hosted autoresponder the same as running my entire business and putting all my content on a third party platform that I don't control and can't access the data directly? Thats a pretty silly comparison.

                The same thing that happens with ANY hosted service
                Absolute and utter rubbish. i do my backup and move my site period. I change my cart I do the same. Thats why I and others specifically ask what happens when they want to leave.

                I haven't seen anyone say this isn't for some people. Before you start spouting off about people being dumb read what they actually write. its not the prospect of renting a third party system that gives them pause its having no control over the data that THEY and THEIR customers put on it

                This internet thing might be new to you but that issue has been center stage for almost every hosted social networking ASP out there. Things seem dumber to some people because of their own inability to understand the issues. Thats all . Quantum Physics sounds dumb to people too.
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          • Profile picture of the author JMSD
            Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

            @Darren

            Truth be told, this is a glorified fantasico cpanel setup. I see this over and over again, newbies pressured into getting aweber when they have a 10 person list (or even 1000 ppl) when PHPList is a click away, fancy membership site software - joomla, drupal, and .net alternatives. "hosting in the cloud" ... seriously? Even people on the get Kajabi page were complaining the video sound was cut off, or the video just stopped. "Server melting" ya sure. This isn't facebook.

            This is akin to the classic Web Designer scam, "I'll do your site and handle all the hosting for you, so you dont have to worry about it". 6months later when you want some changes done and they are dragging their feet on it, you lose your entire site cause it's under the control of the designer, you don't even have access to the code.

            Never ever let someone else be in control of your site's code or hosting.
            Couldn't agree with you more, especially with your message in the last sentence.

            Whilst I wouldn't go as far as saying that it's "akin to a Web Designer scam" - I'm sure Kajabi serves its purpose well and it does what it says on the tin, the promoters seem to suggest that it's a cure all system. Even if this were so, it comes at a very tidy price, even for the basic system and the payments will be never ending.

            Nice money earner for the owners because you'd be tied to them for the duration of your membership but hardly a bargain, in my humble opinion, for the end user. What happens when things go wrong as they inevitably do or you want out?

            As with every program that comes onto the market, proper research is key. There are much cheaper alternatives that could give you similar bells and whistles. At the price you pay for your monthly membership of Kajabi, you could outsource every element to experts in their given field and still have total control over your own web empire and everything that goes to make up that business.

            I must admit to being tempted because I wanted "central/command control panel" that would enable me to do it all from one place but I'm a control freak and handing over that control to a program over which I could have none was the deciding factor for me and decided against it.

            If you're serious about running an online business, then control over your business is something you don't hand over to anyone, even if that handover is limited to relinquishing control over where your sites are hosted.

            But... one can learn a great deal from the very top gurus and their peers whose sales and marketing plans and strategies leave one in awe!

            I know I can rely on WF where members share their opinions and provide valuable service to others so that expensive mistakes, where applicable, may be avoided.

            I never make a decision to buy (or not) a single item without checking out WF, first, for comments about a new product release. It has never failed me before and the products that I've bought after seeing positive comments on WF, have all proved to be worth the money paid for them and then some! Thanks Warriors.

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            • Profile picture of the author Craig Beckta
              I want to start off by saying I think Andy's a
              great guy...

              Just love the Video Boss course.

              Kajabi on the other hand...

              Doesn't seem to be ready.

              I wanted to use this on my next launch but
              I can't even upload a squeeze page.

              My domain displays an error message and
              well, just too many problems to get into.

              Very disappointed, I have been waiting for
              this for months and right now it's just not
              ready.

              Which is weird because it seem to work great
              for Frank, Jeff, John and Andy.

              Just don't get it.
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              • Profile picture of the author BillyBee
                Originally Posted by Craig Beckta View Post

                Very disappointed, I have been waiting for
                this for months and right now it's just not
                ready.
                Craig, thanks for your honest review. I took the 14-day trial and while I was not as underwhelmed as most others, I was disappointed, too.

                My biggest disappointment was that there only seemed to be one main template available. I also think that template is kind of cheesy looking. It looked suitable for make-money niches but not so much for others.

                Originally Posted by Craig Beckta View Post

                Which is weird because it seem to work great
                for Frank, Jeff, John and Andy.
                I think I know the answer to this . . .

                In Jeff Walker's promotional emails about Kajabi he mentioned how he knew it better than anyone because he had a support team that tested and tweaked it to suit his purposes.

                In other words, guys like Frank, Andy and Walker have tech guys who can wrestle these things to the mat and get them to work.
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          • Profile picture of the author dezfutak
            Originally Posted by jminkler View Post

            @Darren

            ...

            Never ever let someone else be in control of your site's code or hosting.
            Couldn't agree more. FusionHQ is an alternative rapid deployment platform that I'm using - you can ftp export your whole site on any server.

            So, you retain the control.

            That's a winner as far as I'm concerned.

            Dez.
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    • Profile picture of the author dom4biz
      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      no need to hype it. the thing is bad as hell.

      you could rig other stuff to kinda do the same thing, but do you know what needs to get done? do you have the ability/time/money to do it?

      There's always a tradeoff. the alternatives out there look cool, but you're still gonna have to hack some stuff together.

      kern used it for list control and as a customer, it was easy to use, looked slick and was packed with cool features. it made things easy... for him and for us.

      and the thing is pretty cheap.
      Dave no disrespect... but there are solutions out there,,, or 2 that I know of personally that can do as much if not more than kajabi...

      JVpress is a close alternative and with the right combo of plugins and no "rigging" a person can make a super cool funnel...

      Interesting how you quoted how Kern used it,,, have you ever seen Frank's basic knowledge level? Plus isn't he part of the "syndicate" the US mostly Cali based guru's pass their list around to market their own products...

      The foundation of any web platform needs to be simple, proven, and flexible... more important has anyone noted kajabi's terms? If you stop paying ALL OF YOUR INFO IS WIPED CLEAN... and there is NO WAY to back YOUR info...

      I bet 'cousin Andy' will have a copy of it....

      In the spirit of clean debate...

      peace/dom4biz
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    Darren I sent a message out to my list about a great alternative (one time payment) if you DON'T require the CMS/Membership aspect of Kajabi and just want the video landing page.

    Easy Video Player 2 has a lot of the social media functionality built into the new software, and some great features, check it out:

    EasyVideoPlayer ยป ALIEN TECHNOLOGY!! (We Have It, Check It Out!) (non aff link)

    I plan to get both (just purchased an upgrade from EVP1 to EVP2) because I will use Kajabi for delivering my upcoming training courses, HOWEVER Kajabi also has a MAXIMUM to the amount of projects you can create for each level (30 / $299 per month!) , which doesn't make it very practical for dealing with my offline clients (unless I want to pass on the expense of multiple monthly fees)

    EVP2 is a one time fee with the ability to REMOVE branding (i.e. no "powered by Kajabi" everywhere)

    Foor for thought =)

    ~Dexx
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  • Profile picture of the author jrodriguez315
    Darren,

    Thank you.

    I really appreciate your honesty and candor.

    While Kajabi looks absolutely amazing for people already firmly established in IM, I am definitely subject to Challenge #1, Challenge #2 and Challenge #3!

    I have found myself subject to information overload ever since the beginning of my exploration of IM. There are so many differing opinions, so many methods, so many empty promises and all of it makes one salivate at the thought of online success.

    Thanks for delivering a "voice of reason" in this wilderness of information.
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  • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
    @CDarklock - DUDE you are on a whole nother level LOL I wish my list (35+ women entreprneurs beginner to intermiediates) would have done that.

    @YOUniversityLife - I agree with your comparison chart. But looking at the "way" you wrote that...is this andy Jenkins?? LOL HAHAHA!!

    @Bill - thanks man I corrected. And yes you "get" that too huh? >> "It's fun to believe that you can buy this and you'll look like a rock star, but the truth is it will just sit there costing you money every month unless you have an overwhelming need for something like this."

    @dipenb- Time tells ALL tales

    @Dave- "but do you know what needs to get done? do you have the ability/time/money to do it?" Well newbies wouldnt Dave butack to that counting with my grandma comment. Knowing how to solve problems outside of Kajabi is essential.Its like the person who uses GoDaddy. Not because they like GoDaddy but thats all they know. CDarklock had a point if you think its awesome go with it but my point is think it is awesome AFTER you know your options or at least research alternatives.

    @Dexx Thanks for sharing this! The question is how much is it? Plus I love Joshes response. But again how mush is it?

    @jrodriguez315- thanks I more than understand if you ever have any questions reach out to me. I have a knack for telling people what works and surprise surprise I even tell people that I don't know. LOL UI am confident in what I know and even more confident and what i don't LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    I believe you are loking at around $100 - $125 for a one-time payment with free upgrades (within Version 2...version 3 would be require another upgrade in a a couple years)
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    • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
      Originally Posted by Dexx View Post

      I believe you are loking at around $100 - $125 for a one-time payment with free upgrades (within Version 2...version 3 would be require another upgrade in a a couple years)
      Gotcha. So does the shopping cart solution work for someone with just paypal?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    I believe the buy buttons still would since you are just associating a link URL to the button.
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  • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
    COOL!

    Anyone have any suggestions (or old links from the forum) for landing page creation/management applications/ software?
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  • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
    @jminkler - thanks for chiming in on this could you please leave links and educate good ole Darren on the Karma list issue and how the whistle was blown on social engine? Social engine is how they are building this huh? Interesting.

    @Ken - thanks Ken I will )posting) .

    @Glen - AMEN Glen AMEN

    Plus here is the thing. A lot of the people they are marketing (Kajabi) are people who are brand spanking new know next to nothing about the internet. Or they are just non tech writers / professionals new online.
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  • Profile picture of the author hitesh93
    Here's the email I sent to my list about this, I think it sums it up fairly well:
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    Hey {firstname_fix}

    Look, I know what's 'in' right now, and the thing I'm about to say
    is potentially going to make you not like being on this list. That's
    for you to choose of course.

    The 'in' thing right now is Kajabi and promoting it. My opinion on it?
    Meh. Been there, seen that, moving on.

    Look, Kajabi is NOT wordpress. While there are many reasons to
    CONSIDER Kajabi (consider, not buy), there are many more to just
    say no.

    Here're a few:
    1. You are limited in how much you can manage and edit your stuff.
    2. All of YOUR data is hosted on THEIR server. Let me tell you
    something from experience - BAD IDEA!
    3. All of YOUR data can be used by the marketers behind Kajabi...umm..
    yeah doesn't sound so good now. This could be a Paydotcom all over again
    where tens of marketers end up with your data!
    4. Kajabi is an organization tool. Unless you have WAY too many profitable
    sites and sales funnels and lists to manage, it's useless to you.
    It's like a file cabinet without any files. Most people don't even
    understand proper sales funnels, forget having too many of them.

    As opposed to this, wordpress is:
    1. Flexible.
    2. In YOUR control.
    3. It's on YOUR server, and you have freedom to do what you want
    with it. That's right, FREEDOM (imagine Mel Gibson screaming that...
    yes, it's THAT much cooler than Kajabi).

    So what the heck am I doing? Am I seriously telling you NOT to buy
    this?
    No, I'm simply saying there are alternatives. In my opinion, much
    better alternatives, but that's for you to decide, not me.

    This thing (like all IM stuff that comes from the big guys) is being
    peddled as 'what you NEED'. I can tell you this much - you don't.
    Now whether you want it or not, is up to you.

    Without a doubt some of you will say to me:
    - Why so negative?
    - Why so discouraging?
    - Why so serious? (sorry, couldn't resist)

    My answer : I'm not being negative, and I'm not discouraging you.
    And you should know by now I'm not very serious at all
    I just feel it's my responsibility to make sure you're not spending
    your money on things that won't help you. Isn't that one of the reasons
    you're on this list?

    Hope this helps all of you who've been writing me asking about it!

    Sincerely,
    ~Hitesh

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    And yes like I covered above, I think between Wordpress and a good membership software, you're set. For list management, you can go with Pommo or PHPList, which are both open source.
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    Jason,

    I reviewed your posts and it's perfectly clear to me that all you are trying to do is to push your affiliate link. We don't allow anybody to do that here.

    If you want to post a review here, containing both positive and negative points and free from any affiliate link, then you are welcome to do so.

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    • Profile picture of the author jminkler
      Can we talk economics here?

      Does anyone know if your membership to Kajabi includes the bandwidth? Ie. How long will I run my site on Kajabi if after the launch sales twitter off to a certain level where I am paying more for storage than I am making on the site (and bandwidth in the member forumns)

      I was under the impression that if everything is stored through Kajabi they were getting hit with the massive cloud bills offset by the monthly fees, but doing some calculations it doesn't add up favorably for Andy if he's fitting the bill. (ie. a 300mb video*3k+ users = 8.5k/mo)
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        • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
          Originally Posted by jefferydreedy View Post

          I've been wondering about this myself, but they're using S3 aren't they?
          As an AWS developer from the very start, (first beta later full user)

          They are using what is called an AMI, or Amazon Machine Instance, it is basically a "copy" of a software product, think shared hosting, Cpanel, that type of thing, only Amazon charges by the hour, plus overage charges, but you get a very healthy bandwidth option, what your paying for is the rental fee, and since amazon has its own billing system, it is even easier to generate a system like this, the only overhead is the software.

          To me this is like trying to swat a gnat which a sledge hammer,)

          But I am sure some people will like it, I would sure like to know about any success stories, and not just a story, but real proof, too, like a 1099 form showing actual income.

          But I digress, they prohibit you from (copying) and or using any kind of service to copy the data on your "rented" website, so once you start the trial, when you decide to stop it, your data is gone, poof, forever,

          Unless they change the policy, you cant copy anything from "your rented" site once you decide to close it.

          I dont like that and I suspect that it will not be very popular despite all the cheerleaders and affiliates out there Rah Rah Rah,

          In the end, renting is just not a solid business platform.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dexx
            Originally Posted by Tim Franklin View Post


            In the end, renting is just not a solid business platform.
            I wonder how much promotion it would get if the "membership fee" was actually called your "monthly rent?"

            ~Dexx
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            • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
              Originally Posted by Dexx View Post

              I wonder how much promotion it would get if the "membership fee" was actually called your "monthly rent?"

              ~Dexx

              Interesting indeed, back in the day, many moons ago a very wise man once asked me a question, he simply said would I rather rent an automobile for 36 months and give it back after paying hidden fees for going over the mileage quota or own the automobile after the same time period.

              I answered I want to own that thing, he smiled and said that is exactly why you should never "rent" anything.
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              • Profile picture of the author robert_aus
                Instead of listening to what everyone has to say about the product why not take up the 15 day free trial and get inside and try it out. I have.

                From inside Kajabi you can cancel the account if after about 12 days you find it is crap or just too expensive, or there are better options.

                The cancel option is at the bottom of the my subscription page.
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                • Profile picture of the author DannyUK
                  Originally Posted by robert_aus View Post

                  Instead of listening to what everyone has to say about the product why not take up the 15 day free trial and get inside and try it out. I have.

                  From inside Kajabi you can cancel the account if after about 12 days you find it is crap or just too expensive, or there are better options.

                  The cancel option is at the bottom of the my subscription page.
                  You mean set up a serious business for 14 days and then take it all down and move it elsewhere if it doesn't work out? Or take the time to set up a test and run it for 14 days at the expense of getting on with business? Surely everyone has cottoned on that the 14 day "trial" is a hook? Cancelling a subscription to a magazine after 14 days is one thing, running your business on a trial platform is something else. What serious marketer would do that? I guess if you had staff it would be possible to give this trial a whirl.
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                • Profile picture of the author hitesh93
                  Originally Posted by robert_aus View Post

                  Instead of listening to what everyone has to say about the product why not take up the 15 day free trial and get inside and try it out. I have.

                  From inside Kajabi you can cancel the account if after about 12 days you find it is crap or just too expensive, or there are better options.

                  The cancel option is at the bottom of the my subscription page.
                  It's all about time my friend - 14 days of 'free trial' would cost me something around $5000-$7000 in lost productivity at least. Not to consider the extra 'brain-space' you lose to learning new terminology and what not. This is why this section is even relevant. Most products come with a refund policy, especially from CB. The reason people look here before buying is because we care way too much to waste our time on stuff that's just not worth it.
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  • Profile picture of the author jminkler
    So the support desk was kind enough to post their support link for kajabi (support.kajabi.com), which "Customer Support Software by Zendesk"

    Decent plan there runs $30 a month per agent with all the community features, I wonder if this is what's going to power all these customer relation sites, and how that will get paid for? Or, one may want to go directly to zendesk to get the community support features like Kajabi if they are only interested in that ?


    Edit: Just got in to see the pricing. Also says additional 0.48c / GB if you go over.
    Don't see how that is in alignment with Amazon's prices at all

    Data Transfer Out ** US & EU Regions APAC Region First 1 GB per Month $0.00 per GB $0.00 per GB Up to 10 TB per Month $0.15 per GB $0.19 per GB Next 40 TB per Month $0.11 per GB $0.15 per GB Next 100 TB per Month $0.09 per GB $0.13 per GB Over 150 TB per Month $0.08 per GB $0.12 per GB

    So basically they are giving you a few GB for free with your monthly plan but if you go over, that's on your bill as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
    Can someone who has used it answer these two specific questions

    1 - Do they allow you to export data and host yourself?
    2 - Do they allow you to remove the footer link (Powered by...)

    I need to know these practical answers.
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    • Profile picture of the author gregbanks
      I have some questions for someone who may have used the app:
      • How secure is the data stored in Kajabi? Is it going to be used in future by anyone?
      • What is the procedure to leave the program? Do you get your data?
      • Does it offer integration into Clickbank?
      • Does your "Funnel" point to Kajabi's site (I.E http://ww.kajabi.com/your_event) or is it on your own site?
      • Do you have to have the "Powered by" link on the site

      It's a great idea - very innovative, but I am now having doubts having read all the ideas people have posted.

      My main concerns are that you don't get the freedom to get your customer's data if you leave and what's the procedure for hosting a marketing "event" on the platform - does it show on kajabi's domain or your own.

      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author Dexx
        Originally Posted by gregbanks View Post

        I have some questions for someone who may have used the app:
        • How secure is the data stored in Kajabi? Is it going to be used in future by anyone?
        • What is the procedure to leave the program? Do you get your data?
        • Does it offer integration into Clickbank?
        • Does your "Funnel" point to Kajabi's site (I.E http://ww.kajabi.com/your_event) or is it on your own site?
        • Do you have to have the "Powered by" link on the site
        It's a great idea - very innovative, but I am now having doubts having read all the ideas people have posted.

        My main concerns are that you don't get the freedom to get your customer's data if you leave and what's the procedure for hosting a marketing "event" on the platform - does it show on kajabi's domain or your own.

        Thanks
        How secure is the data stored in Kajabi? Is it going to be used in future by anyone?

        As secure as any content hosted on someone else's server/website?

        What is the procedure to leave the program? Do you get your data?

        You click cancel in your admin area...then you're gone. Copy and paste any content that you don't already have in your computer.

        Does it offer integration into Clickbank?

        Yep

        Does your "Funnel" point to Kajabi's site (I.E http://ww.kajabi.com/your_event) or is it on your own site?

        Kajabi allows you to direct your own domain TO their server so the domain is hosted by Kajabi.

        Do you have to have the "Powered by" link on the site

        Yes (for now), you don't have the ability to edit the code of the templates, just the content within them and the template options provided.
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        • Profile picture of the author gregbanks
          Thanks for the reply

          I was actually going to buy this but it now just seems like a hyped up product.

          Originally Posted by Dexx View Post

          How secure is the data stored in Kajabi? Is it going to be used in future by anyone?

          As secure as any content hosted on someone else's server/website?

          What is the procedure to leave the program? Do you get your data?

          You click cancel in your admin area...then you're gone. Copy and paste any content that you don't already have in your computer.

          Does it offer integration into Clickbank?

          Yep

          Does your "Funnel" point to Kajabi's site (I.E http://ww.kajabi.com/your_event) or is it on your own site?

          Kajabi allows you to direct your own domain TO their server so the domain is hosted by Kajabi.

          Do you have to have the "Powered by" link on the site

          Yes (for now), you don't have the ability to edit the code of the templates, just the content within them and the template options provided.
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      • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
        @Tim thanks sir borrow away LOL

        A few things Greg

        I think the data is secure (amazon servers)
        I think you have an option to point to your landing pages or make one on their site so that good
        Yes there is integration with clickbank and others
        You can look on the link to my post I have the actual video at the bottom.

        As for the getting your data which has been asked here well thats the BIG question.

        And as for the powered by that is also a good question I hope they are charging extra to make it go bye bye because that defeats the purpose of using there stuff.


        Originally Posted by gregbanks View Post

        I have some questions for someone who may have used the app:
        • How secure is the data stored in Kajabi? Is it going to be used in future by anyone?
        • What is the procedure to leave the program? Do you get your data?
        • Does it offer integration into Clickbank?
        • Does your "Funnel" point to Kajabi's site (I.E http://ww.kajabi.com/your_event) or is it on your own site?
        • Do you have to have the "Powered by" link on the site

        It's a great idea - very innovative, but I am now having doubts having read all the ideas people have posted.

        My main concerns are that you don't get the freedom to get your customer's data if you leave and what's the procedure for hosting a marketing "event" on the platform - does it show on kajabi's domain or your own.

        Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author gregbanks
          Thanks Darren,

          I've been reading and if you think about it, the data they have is only really related to the Kajabi site. You interlink with your Payment processor, email service and other external features... meaning that if I wanted to get the data, then it would literally be because I wanted to close the site, in which case I don't think it would matter too much about whether I was able to quickly "restore" the information like I was trying to ask about

          In terms of the powered by link - maybe it will actually add value to your offer? Make you look more legitimate if you're trying to sell a product in a jaded market like Forex.

          I have not got the trial and even stated that I wasn't going to buy the trial based on the reviews on here. However, looking at it, it seems that this could be something extremely powerful and I think many people have got caught up with a few issues that may not be a key problem.

          Many people spend $100/mo on phone contracts and don't get as much value as Kajabi

          Originally Posted by darrenmonroe View Post

          @Tim thanks sir borrow away LOL

          A few things Greg

          I think the data is secure (amazon servers)
          I think you have an option to point to your landing pages or make one on their site so that good
          Yes there is integration with clickbank and others
          You can look on the link to my post I have the actual video at the bottom.

          As for the getting your data which has been asked here well thats the BIG question.

          And as for the powered by that is also a good question I hope they are charging extra to make it go bye bye because that defeats the purpose of using there stuff.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by gregbanks View Post

            Thanks Darren,

            I've been reading and if you think about it, the data they have is only really related to the Kajabi site. You interlink with your Payment processor, email service and other external features... meaning that if I wanted to get the data, then it would literally be because I wanted to close the site,
            Not true at all . Theres all the community's content that I would want to port over to another system, all the answers I gave to questions, valuable input from customers helping customers etc. It does not follow that i would want to close the site merely because I was leaving their system. Not by a long shot.
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    • Profile picture of the author dom4biz
      No Greg to your two questions:

      1 - Do they allow you to export data and host yourself?
      2 - Do they allow you to remove the footer link (Powered by...)

      NO on export, and no removal of any links...

      Plus all of you have posted that this is a original built from scratch system,,, well that's not true either kajabi is all built with Adobe Business Catalyst... Google ABC and you will clearly see the lack of enterprise abilities it has..

      Wordpress is the platform... kajabi is a not what it seems...

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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Josh, that was a "good" rebuttal, but I think that you are missing the point of what the REAL ISSUE is.

        We can all agree that creating a platform like you are describing would be a PITA and more than likely a task that many of us would never undertake under any circumstance.

        I don't think that people are having a problem with "renting a solution"...I think the problem comes in when the rented solution is allowed to keep our data and we're not.

        So, I sign up for Kajabi and use the hell out of it for 6 months, creating say 6 different systems in it...6 months later, I find a better solution, or Kajabi is unable to maintain enough customers to cover their costs and closes...All my data is gone?

        If I decide that the service is no longer for me, I can't take ANY OF MY DATA with me?

        Not only that, but in the case of Kajabi, anyone that does any volume is going to get raped with overage charges on the bandwidth.

        JVPRESS + Easy VIDEO PLAYER2 + DAP = Greater than Kajabi and I can get it all for a one time cost of $500, AND CONTROL MY OWN DATA.

        Kajabi LOOKED good when they were rolling it out, but...

        The HIGH MONTHLY FEE + Overage Charges + Their TOS + Not being able to back up my own data = Retardation at it's finest.

        Trust me, I wanted Kajabi to be the answer, and to have everything that I needed in one place for a decent price with acceptable terms, but when you look at the big picture, Kajabi didn't deliver that.
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        • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
          My rebuttal is a response to Darren's blog post where he called hosted solutions "rentals" and in his comments compared them to slavery

          I agree with you... you should have a way to export your data from whatever service you use. Most professional hosted services provide you that.

          Easy export and import is important to me too

          Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

          Josh, that was a "good" rebuttal, but I think that you are missing the point of what the REAL ISSUE is.

          We can all agree that creating a platform like you are describing would be a PITA and more than likely a task that many of us would never undertake under any circumstance.

          I don't think that people are having a problem with "renting a solution"...I think the problem comes in when the rented solution is allowed to keep our data and we're not.

          So, I sign up for Kajabi and use the hell out of it for 6 months, creating say 6 different systems in it...6 months later, I find a better solution, or Kajabi is unable to maintain enough customers to cover their costs and closes...All my data is gone?

          If I decide that the service is no longer for me, I can't take ANY OF MY DATA with me?

          Not only that, but in the case of Kajabi, anyone that does any volume is going to get raped with overage charges on the bandwidth.

          JVPRESS + Easy VIDEO PLAYER2 + DAP = Greater than Kajabi and I can get it all for a one time cost of $500, AND CONTROL MY OWN DATA.

          Kajabi LOOKED good when they were rolling it out, but...

          The HIGH MONTHLY FEE + Overage Charges + Their TOS + Not being able to back up my own data = Retardation at it's finest.

          Trust me, I wanted Kajabi to be the answer, and to have everything that I needed in one place for a decent price with acceptable terms, but when you look at the big picture, Kajabi didn't deliver that.
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      • Profile picture of the author dannynz
        Originally Posted by dom4biz View Post

        kajabi is all built with Adobe Business Catalyst... Google ABC and you will clearly see the lack of enterprise abilities it has..
        dom4biz
        Hey Dom4biz, are you suggesting Kajabi is built with Business Catalyst and running off their servers?

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  • Profile picture of the author cassidywilliams
    Just signed up for Kajabi trial and heh - man this is far from the idea you got from watching the videos. The marketing for it was way better than the product itself.

    I'll stick with Traindom which has way more intuitive and better interface. Heh.

    http://traindom.com
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    • Profile picture of the author jminkler
      Originally Posted by cassidywilliams View Post

      Just signed up for Kajabi trial and heh - man this is far from the idea you got from watching the videos. The marketing for it was way better than the product itself.

      I'll stick with Traindom which has way more intuitive and better interface. Heh.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dayne Dylan
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    It's amazing how much one can succeed without all these hyped up products, and yes, that means you Mr. Kujanga or whatever your name is. Isn't that a game with little logs? ;-)

    Ok ok..in all seriousness...

    All you need is a hungry market (demand), the right product to fit that market (supply), some basic internet marketing/traffic skills (marketing), a simple platform (Wordpress), and a payment system (Paypal, 1SC, Clickbank, etc). Oh yeah...and not giving up and working hard.

    KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) is my motto. No need to always get caught up in these big hyped "guru" products which it seems many people are doing here.

    Just my two cents
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    • Profile picture of the author BillyBee
      Originally Posted by Dayne Dylan View Post

      No need to always get caught up in these big hyped "guru" products which it seems many people are doing here.
      How come everyone is so afraid of looking like a sucker?

      And how come everyone assumes that a product released by a big marketer is surely over-hyped crap?

      It's reverse elitism. Or its simple envy. Whatever it is, it's small-minded.

      It's almost a badge of honor among everyone to say, "Oh no, I'd NEVER go in for a product created by some GURU. (As if "guru" is synonymous with "charlatan"). Not me! I'm too smart for that!"

      No one's getting "caught up" in the hype any more than a shopper hears about a new item in a store, picks it up, and decides whether to purchase it.

      Many of you make it sound like considering a product from a successful marketer is like flirting with a serial rapist.

      Kajabi may well have its downsides, but to rule it out simply because it is marketed well is silly.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dayne Dylan
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        Originally Posted by BillyBee View Post


        Kajabi may well have its downsides, but to rule it out simply because it is marketed well is silly.
        Not my point at all.
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        • Profile picture of the author BillyBee
          Originally Posted by Dayne Dylan View Post

          Not my point at all.
          I understand, Dayne. I know you didn't mean it that way. But I've just read too many posts by others with a snide tone toward gurus that seems reflexive and insecure to me.

          Despite my rant, a LOT of very good points have been made about some downsides of this product.
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      • Profile picture of the author freedumb
        Originally Posted by BillyBee View Post

        How come everyone is so afraid of looking like a sucker?

        And how come everyone assumes that a product released by a big marketer is surely over-hyped crap?

        It's reverse elitism. Or its simple envy. Whatever it is, it's small-minded.

        It's almost a badge of honor among everyone to say, "Oh no, I'd NEVER go in for a product created by some GURU. (As if "guru" is synonymous with "charlatan"). Not me! I'm too smart for that!"

        No one's getting "caught up" in the hype any more than a shopper hears about a new item in a store, picks it up, and decides whether to purchase it.

        Many of you make it sound like considering a product from a successful marketer is like flirting with a serial rapist.

        Kajabi may well have its downsides, but to rule it out simply because it is marketed well is silly.
        Ahaha! - Welcome to the warrior forum. That is the MO here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
    Very Good review, good common sense approach, thanks for the MP3 player, it allowed me to go on about my business and still listen to your review, nice.

    In fact, I like the idea so much I might "borrow" it,)

    I remember back in the old days, they used to have "hosting" setup fees, in fact back in 1995 you could easily pay a one time 250.00 "setup" fee.

    Even Cell phone companies back in the old days used to have this "setup" fee, it sort of suggests that a company may not really be all that professional, that is why I believe that the large companies, like ATT and the other large Cell phone carriers, stopped, charging the "setup" fee mostly for the very valid reason that its not a consumer friendly way to generate revenue.

    I mean what is a "setup" fee, what exactly is involved in a setup.

    If this software is so great, and so expansive, why have a setup fee?

    Sort of seems like a downer I personally think this will back fire in their faces, but hey who knows for sure.

    Like you said in your review, which I think is right on, unless you already have a direction and probably a list of at least 4000 perhaps 10,000 minimum I would think that the thing is sort of over kill.

    They definitely did a great marketing job, but the way they did it, and the methods they use, continuity, "free" trial, just seems like something that may not be appealing to a large number of people, perhaps they only want a few to sign up, who knows, but one thing is for sure, the cost to use AWS< is way lower, you can DIY, and save a chunk of cash.

    But hey thats just me I like to do things my own way, like you I agree, I dont hate it but I really dont see it as a solution for the average marketer either, sadly they could have done that but for what ever reason choose not to.

    They could have made it so easy that even a cave man could get on board but they choose not to do that, for what ever reason, just looking at AWS cost, and how the billing works over there, I rather suspect that an AMI instance runs around 35 bucks, a month, so there making a real killing on this deal, and they have that right, charge what ever you want, but to me I think I like value over fluff.

    More power to em, I guess, but its one "free" trial I will not be joining in on.
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    • Profile picture of the author jminkler
      Originally Posted by Tim Franklin View Post

      I remember back in the old days, they used to have "hosting" setup fees, in fact back in 1995 you could easily pay a one time 250.00 "setup" fee.
      You forgot the outlandish bandwidth fees. Let's do some math shall we ..

      Say kajabi got 300k users in a month
      Each watch 2 videos at 300mb a piece
      thats like ... .6gb per user * 300k = 180,000 GB * 0.48 = $86,000

      But you could always get your own aws account and link to the videos that way, at prolly 0.15c / GB

      So really .. you *do* have to deal with hosting ...
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      • Profile picture of the author Biz Guru
        Hey Darren,

        Great post. I really like Kajabi and a lot of the the launches that used it have been very good. Of course it came from very talented individuals, who would have looked good no matter what they used. haha

        They certainly did have a polished look to them (PLF, Affiliatedotcom, List Control etc.)

        On the other hand some of your points are very valid as well.

        I think the biggest thing that everyone needs to remember in the Internet Marketing world ...
        is that everyone is at a different levels of knowledge and Earnings.
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  • Profile picture of the author DannyUK
    I disagree with all those who suggest Kajabi is a risk whilst a DIY solution is safe. Unless you own your own ISP and can get guaranteed turn-around on your open source software you're hardly in total control of your own destiny. I've had an ISP shut me down on a single bogus complaint that was easy to verify as spurious but which they wouldn't even look into because their "first duty was to their other customers". There's nothing to say Kajabi wouldn't be a more robust solution as you'd be part of a large revenue stream rather than a less valuable individual, from an ISPs point of view.

    I also take on-board the concerns that have been raised after Andy Jenkins was "exposed" by Salty Droid. Unfortunately for the droid this expose was about as explosive as a repeating curry and lager. Jenkins might have come across as naive and his breathing may have been on the heavy side but I didn't hear anything that would suggest he intends to take your money and run or sell your data to the highest bidder. As expensive as it was, Video Boss was a masterpiece of over-delivery. Compare Jenkins to the crooks on Wall Street or in the City of London and you are left wondering why Salty spends all his time trying to blow out a match as the house burns down around his head.

    In the end though, for what it is Kajabi is just too damn expensive. All it is is a delivery system and one which falls in the middle of two potential markets without hitting either. For beginners, I doubt they understand what half the features provide anyway and have they got a product ready to put Kajabi to work and earn its fee? The more experienced marketer has likely already secured various alternative solutions, partially without cost. So what advantages does Kajabi offer other than the ability to mimic the look and feel of the guru launches?

    I ran down the feature list and a lot of it is pretty standard stuff that could be knocked together pretty quickly if you know what you are doing. Granted, not everybody has the required technical skills but it isn't that difficult to install WordPress and then start reading up on the myriad of plugins. Neither is it hard to find or design a theme to make your offering look like a Jeff Walker reload, if that;s the sort of thing you want to do.

    $99 for a single project, $299 at the top end. Per month? Crazy. And that's before you start getting hit with all the, "must have", add-ons. Not for me, not at that price.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Domino
    Kajabi..

    Frank Kern said before that 75% of his customers (2000$+++!) never do anything with the knowledge they get, never make a single dollar.

    So yeah, I'm pretty sure that 75% of all the "omg I can't wait for this!!!" facebook comments don't need Kajabi at all.

    Also.. simple question. Who here really wants the Syndicate to host 100% of their online business and have access to all their data and statistics?

    Kajabi looks good and fun to play with, but it's just good old over-hype and people thinking it's going to cure cancer and make them millionaires..
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  • Profile picture of the author dv8domainsDotCom
    I have to say Darren, after reading your review and watching the pitch video, I'm sort of happy that I'm not "that" deeply involved in IM. It is definitely information overload, and you are SPOT ON sir.
    I could see it being a potentially useful tool IF you are already converting using some of those methods, understand those methods, already implement those methods, and are LOOKING for something to tie those methods together.
    BUT, I believe the user sacrifices greatly if they lose content from cancellations; I would almost call this vapor-ware...
    The thing about the 14-day trial for a "serious" business... I think in the proper context, a 14 day trial would help to skeptic confirm that it will be helpful for their already active, serious business, but I really do not feel this is a product intended to help launch a NEW business in the slightest (my viewpoint). The wise purchase decision is determined on "Does this make what I am already doing anyway, easier?", not on "WOOT, this go'n make me rich, b*t&*!!! Ya'll get on board!"
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    • Profile picture of the author Dandan
      Hi Guys...actually Kajabi bundled many separate functions together right?

      For example, there's one function called Kajabi gatekeeper. What it does is that during a launch, when affiliates send visitors to the website, if the visitor has opted in before then gatekeeper will remembers him so he don't have to opt in anymore. Anyone knows what kind of script is that?

      One more thing. There are alot of pre-launches where gurus send visitors to a squeeze page but not a sales page. For example, Guru A sends visitors to Kajabi[dot]com/GuruA and it's a opt in page. So the site is able to remember it's the affiliate is Guru A? Is this some sort of membership script?

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      • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
        Originally Posted by Dandan View Post


        For example, there's one function called Kajabi gatekeeper. What it does is that during a launch, when affiliates send visitors to the website, if the visitor has opted in before then gatekeeper will remembers him so he don't have to opt in anymore. Anyone knows what kind of script is that?
        Uh, COOKIES? + recording IP's + user agent strings?
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Ridell
    I have been trying Kajabi for almost 2 days now and its no where near ready.

    Errors every where, you cant load a squeeze page or a sales page, takes longer than 12 hours to upload a video.

    It's a beautiful box but there's nothing but frustration inside it.

    Here's an example of how people are thinking:

    seriously underwhelmed it just dont work
    500 errors
    no paypal integration'
    random errors
    video encoding taking hours
    waste of time
    moral
    dont launch something thats not ready


    And it just keeps getting worse.... Absolutely no feedback from admin or support.

    It's a disaster waiting to happen, if it hasn't happened already.

    Such a shame, some reputations are going to get very damaged over this I feel.

    Cheers, I'm going back to what is under control
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    • Profile picture of the author gregbanks
      Does it have signs of improvement or do you think that it's just going to remain like that?

      Originally Posted by Peter Ridell View Post

      I have been trying Kajabi for almost 2 days now and its no where near ready.

      Errors every where, you cant load a squeeze page or a sales page, takes longer than 12 hours to upload a video.

      It's a beautiful box but there's nothing but frustration inside it.

      Here's an example of how people are thinking:

      seriously underwhelmed it just dont work
      500 errors
      no paypal integration'
      random errors
      video encoding taking hours
      waste of time
      moral
      dont launch something thats not ready


      And it just keeps getting worse.... Absolutely no feedback from admin or support.

      It's a disaster waiting to happen, if it hasn't happened already.

      Such a shame, some reputations are going to get very damaged over this I feel.

      Cheers, I'm going back to what is under control
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      • Profile picture of the author Peter Ridell
        Originally Posted by gregbanks View Post

        Does it have signs of improvement or do you think that it's just going to remain like that?
        In my opinion the ship has sunk.

        It could have been a good thing for those that it suits if it worked like they promised.

        Now with all the other negatives pointed out, who in their right mind would go for it now?

        $4,000 this year, the next year and so forth... and you don't have control. That's the best scenario, if it worked and they don't raise the price on you.

        Scary stuff.

        I'm absolutely amazed that Andy would release this as it is....

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    • Profile picture of the author Netafile
      How could there be so many tech problems after doing several major launches?

      Doesn't make sense...

      Originally Posted by Peter Ridell View Post

      I have been trying Kajabi for almost 2 days now and its no where near ready.

      Errors every where, you cant load a squeeze page or a sales page, takes longer than 12 hours to upload a video.

      It's a beautiful box but there's nothing but frustration inside it.

      Here's an example of how people are thinking:

      seriously underwhelmed it just dont work
      500 errors
      no paypal integration'
      random errors
      video encoding taking hours
      waste of time
      moral
      dont launch something thats not ready


      And it just keeps getting worse.... Absolutely no feedback from admin or support.

      It's a disaster waiting to happen, if it hasn't happened already.

      Such a shame, some reputations are going to get very damaged over this I feel.

      Cheers, I'm going back to what is under control
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  • Profile picture of the author hd28qi
    As a beta tester, Kajabi is GREAT if you have a digital product to deliver that you are SURE you can sell. Not for member sites, but courses and the such. It's one of many systems and possibilities, but a great one. Especially it's funnel system. It's brilliant. If you are trained in Walker style product launches it is a dream come true. AND it's buggy still. So, you have to have some techie skills and an s3 account to make up for the bugs. If you NEED it for course delivery, you can make a lot of cash from this. It's for people who have digital courses they want to deliver. If you want a membership site, look elsewhere. I think that was not a smart marketing move on their part for being such marketing geniuses. That said, I am going to make A LOT of money using this.
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  • Profile picture of the author FivestarHB
    Excellent discussion here, fors and against, but mostly about assessing your own needs rather than being taken in by the uber-promises. Dan Brock, Amazon man, has a great post about this topic as well Why you will NEVER find the internet marketing magic bullet… | Dan The Internet Man
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    • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
      WOW I have been reading here and across the boards and other boards. There are some good solutions I am going to share Monday on my site.
      I thank all of you who contributed solutions whether here or in other threads.

      This has not only been an honor but one hell of an enlightening experience.

      Whether you agreed or disagreed with what I wrote I thank you for sharing your real opinions and respect that.

      PS one thing for sure I think that EVERYONE could agree with....we are living in an amazing time of entrepreneurship online. The USA industrial era of the 1900s had nothing on this! And I believe the largest wealth in the next 20 years will be created from the internet.
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      • Profile picture of the author Justin Wheeler
        JV Press Pro (Could still be a WSO)
        DAP integrated with Vbulletin
        Easy Video Player 2

        And you have something far better than Kajabi for a fraction of the cost or if you really want to kick ass, spend a years worth of Kajabi fees on a top notch Joomla site.

        I looked at Kajabi and signed up as an affiliate for it, but it simply isn't for me. The pricing is way too high for what you get.
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        • Profile picture of the author mick535
          I already posted this in the other Kajabi thread here, but I have been testing for a little more than 3 days and decided to bail out. I think I am going with DAP and a few companion plugins to get things done since Wishlist Member hasn't been upgrading anything that matters in a long time.

          I like having control of my content and while Nanacast looks like a great option as well, I want full control of my content and if my server goes down, I can live with it being my fault.

          I tested and after 3 full days I found:

          1. Theme Editor was broken and color pickers couldn't be used until Support fixed it for me after 2 days.

          2. Funnel system won't let you auto input a Opt-in box until you create an Event. (then you can create a squeeze page but on after an "Event" is created.)

          3. 8 minute MP4 video I uploaded didn't render even after 48 hours of "rendering" so I deleted it.

          4. HTML source editor in the WYSIWYG editor didn't accept any alignment HTML I entered into it. I could add items but all aligned left no matter if I used DIVs, Tables, or Text alignment in HTML4 or 5.

          5. Facebook input is aligned left and no way to align center or right if you wanted.

          6. Help links to different sections had errors.

          7. Payment integration was broken on Clickbank. Referred to 1Shopping Cart when testing.

          No extra templates as shown in the sales video. No integration between Projects as you would want in a centralized system.

          The content area and membership integration was very nice though and I like the user interface as well. Very nice member dashboard.

          Very Pretty on the outside, but does not appear ready for launch, like it was released before it was ready. A lot of little quirks that didn't seem to work right and not as much control over how your pages look as described in the Sales video.

          Sorry guys but no thanks.

          Mike
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by justinw View Post

          spend a years worth of Kajabi fees on a top notch Joomla site.
          Maybe not a funnel system but its amazing what you can get out of a joomla site. Just have to watch for security with all the great apps out there that you can plug into it. In fairness Kajabi is more streamlined. It takes a little bit of time and effort to get Joomla working just the way you want it but the possibility is certainly there and its all yours with access to almost every bit of code
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    WordPress Membership Plugin - Membership Script For WordPress Blogs And Regular Web Sites, Haven't used it but know some people who think its great
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    • Profile picture of the author dannynz
      Originally Posted by bhopkins View Post

      I spend weeks trying different solutions to create a membership website for my mobile marketing coaching etc, had refunds on two pointless solutions and ending up using DAP - one of the best low entry solutions with incredible support. Works with Wordpress, full control of site, one off payment. My mobile marketing website is working like a dream (low key, no hyped sales pages or videos).

      Kajabi looks like a lot of hype to me, and doesn't give me all the features I need like I get in DAP like sneak peak feature and integration with vbulletin. Kajabi could be a bit of a jump price wise if u are starting out. The biggest issue is the same no matter what you use - An idea, content, knowledge to build a site around.

      Danny
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  • Profile picture of the author cynthiamason
    I was considering Kajabi for my product launch but now I am not so sure. I want to get it because of all the features but with all the problems people say they are having, I am afraid I will lose money. I think I need to investigate this a little more.
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    • Profile picture of the author Wah Bhatti
      @darren

      how about using

      1.Squeeze Theme or Squeeze Page Generator
      2.Product Launch Theme Or JV Press
      3.Wishlist Member or DAP or s3 member
      4.Wp Drip
      5. buddy press

      load them up and you should have have the function of kajabi
      depending on yourword press intigration skills
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  • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
    Originally Posted by darrenmonroe View Post

    So I have a question that I would like to share in another post I will do.

    Could you please name alternate programs and services as opposed to Kajabi? I will gladly share and thank you in advance.

    - Darren
    Adobe's Business Catalyst is cheaper and it's Adobe so I would use that over Kajabi.

    Adobe Business Catalyst

    I'm using a combo of Optimize Press to create Wordpress squeeze pages, sales pages, etc. It's a Wordpress Theme and it makes it really easy to create those video sales pages like Kajabi. Price $97.

    I use DAP for my membership sites. Price varies on license. I got the unlimited domain license. I think price has gone up for it now to $300 for unlimited license.

    Easy Video Player for managing the videos. I just upgraded from EVP1 to EVP2.

    If you don't have any of those software programs you're looking at around $500 but that is a one-time fee vs. the $100+ per month for Kajabi. And the best part is that Optimize Press, DAP, and EVP sit on my servers. Plus you can easily make that back by creating a video product to sell. I made back my DAP cost from just one WSO in a day or two.

    There are also free/open source alternatives like someone posted. I used Joomla for awhile but I find these other software programs easier to use and you could do more. Since I'm not a techie it was hard to get Joomla to do things I wanted to do without digging deep into code and stuff. That was like 3-4 years ago though so maybe they've made it user-friendlier like Wordpress.

    Anyway that's my take on things.
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    • Profile picture of the author BillyBee
      Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

      Adobe's Business Catalyst is cheaper and it's Adobe so I would use that over Kajabi.
      I really wanted to go with Adobe Business Catalyst because it looks way better than Kajabi and has tons of great-looking templates . . . but before signing up I did some research and found a ton of complaints and problems with the product.

      However, if anyone has used it and can vouch for it, I'd love to hear about it. I'm willing to have my mind changed. If you Google "Adobe Business Catalyst reviews" you'll see a lot of complaints, and they appear to be legitimate reviews, not the fake ones from affiliates.

      Any users of Adobe Business Catalyst out there? Anyone?? . . . .
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      • Profile picture of the author Marty S
        I keep hearing comparisons with Adobe Business Catalyst and Traindom, both of which I looked into, but there are severe limitations with both of those compared to Kajabi.

        ABCatalyst is mainly for someone selling their services BtoB, and BOTH parties will be paying - You for your privilege of marketing the product for Adobe and your customer for EACH website (project) on top of that. This in NO way compares to Kajabi's model.

        Traindom charges PER website as well, and has some very limiting volume concerns. Their top package is $199, but that is only for one website where with Kajabi you can have TEN projects for the same price and a lot more volume. I might also add that the Traindom pages don't seem to be as inviting/friendly either.

        I had a look at JVPress as well, which seems viable, but I wonder why everyone has to do this stuff with Wordpress? Why is that an advantage when you are doing a launch? Maybe I am missing something with that.

        Anyway, gotta say I was so excited about Kajabi prelaunch and with all this frustration (and more) I have read elsewhere, makes me disappointed to say the least. Even more so that Andy's promotions are not addressing these concerns whatsoever. It's not like they did NOT have enough time to get this stuff straight,as this has been in the works for months.

        Anywho, will just carry on and probably just hire a Warrior to say "Set this up for me.", cause I REALLY hate doing this kind of stuff.
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        • Profile picture of the author BillyBee
          Originally Posted by Marty S View Post

          I keep hearing comparisons with Adobe Business Catalyst and Traindom, both of which I looked into, but there are severe limitations with both of those compared to Kajabi.

          ABCatalyst is mainly for someone selling their services BtoB, and BOTH parties will be paying - You for your privilege of marketing the product for Adobe and your customer for EACH website (project) on top of that. This in NO way compares to Kajabi's model.

          Traindom charges PER website as well, and has some very limiting volume concerns. Their top package is $199, but that is only for one website where with Kajabi you can have TEN projects for the same price and a lot more volume. I might also add that the Traindom pages don't seem to be as inviting/friendly either.

          I had a look at JVPress as well, which seems viable, but I wonder why everyone has to do this stuff with Wordpress? Why is that an advantage when you are doing a launch? Maybe I am missing something with that.

          Anyway, gotta say I was so excited about Kajabi prelaunch and with all this frustration (and more) I have read elsewhere, makes me disappointed to say the least. Even more so that Andy's promotions are not addressing these concerns whatsoever. It's not like they did NOT have enough time to get this stuff straight,as this has been in the works for months.

          Anywho, will just carry on and probably just hire a Warrior to say "Set this up for me.", cause I REALLY hate doing this kind of stuff.
          Good points, Marty, thanks. I did not catch that important distinction about Adobe BC.

          You should take a look at FusionHQ -- they are atop my current leaderboard in all this after many hours of searching over the last several days.

          (I'm not affiliated with them in any way)
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        • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
          Originally Posted by Marty S View Post

          I keep hearing comparisons with Adobe Business Catalyst and Traindom, both of which I looked into, but there are severe limitations with both of those compared to Kajabi.

          ABCatalyst is mainly for someone selling their services BtoB, and BOTH parties will be paying - You for your privilege of marketing the product for Adobe and your customer for EACH website (project) on top of that. This in NO way compares to Kajabi's model.

          Traindom charges PER website as well, and has some very limiting volume concerns. Their top package is $199, but that is only for one website where with Kajabi you can have TEN projects for the same price and a lot more volume. I might also add that the Traindom pages don't seem to be as inviting/friendly either.

          I had a look at JVPress as well, which seems viable, but I wonder why everyone has to do this stuff with Wordpress? Why is that an advantage when you are doing a launch? Maybe I am missing something with that.

          Anyway, gotta say I was so excited about Kajabi prelaunch and with all this frustration (and more) I have read elsewhere, makes me disappointed to say the least. Even more so that Andy's promotions are not addressing these concerns whatsoever. It's not like they did NOT have enough time to get this stuff straight,as this has been in the works for months.

          Anywho, will just carry on and probably just hire a Warrior to say "Set this up for me.", cause I REALLY hate doing this kind of stuff.
          Hey Marty, that's one of the reason I love Wordpress it makes things so much easier especially if like me your not uber techie.

          With Wordpress I don't have to hire peeps to set it up for me. When editing my HTML templates I always frigging break something or there is an extra mystery line that pops up here and there or I mess up a DIV (not even sure what that is) with Wordpress I don't have to deal with it.

          I think that's why you're seeing these new tools targeting Wordpress. Themes like JV Press and Optimize Press helps us create those type of landing pages/squeeze pages etc. very easily.
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      • Profile picture of the author dannynz
        Originally Posted by BillyBee View Post

        I really wanted to go with Adobe Business Catalyst because it looks way better than Kajabi and has tons of great-looking templates . . . but before signing up I did some research and found a ton of complaints and problems with the product.

        However, if anyone has used it and can vouch for it, I'd love to hear about it. I'm willing to have my mind changed. If you Google "Adobe Business Catalyst reviews" you'll see a lot of complaints, and they appear to be legitimate reviews, not the fake ones from affiliates.

        Any users of Adobe Business Catalyst out there? Anyone?? . . . .
        I have know the guys at Business Catalyst for sometime, before it was brought by Adobe. I still chat with the business develop lead there on Skype. I looked at BC for my mobile marketing site, but it did not have the sneak peak feature I needed to allow showing parts of posts to get them indexed and to have non-members interested in more.

        It is a great system and fast to set up, a good solution for a local small business which has been my focus with them. I ended up going with DAP.

        Kajabi doesn't even have all the features offered in DAP and it runs on Wordpress so you have all the plugins and options there too.

        Danny
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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin AKA Hubcap
          Originally Posted by dannynz View Post

          I have know the guys at Business Catalyst for sometime, before it was brought by Adobe. I still chat with the business develop lead there on Skype. I looked at BC for my mobile marketing site, but it did not have the sneak peak feature I needed to allow showing parts of posts to get them indexed and to have non-members interested in more.

          It is a great system and fast to set up, a good solution for a local small business which has been my focus with them. I ended up going with DAP.

          Kajabi doesn't even have all the features offered in DAP and it runs on Wordpress so you have all the plugins and options there too.

          Danny
          I was thinking about using Adobe Catalyst but after doing some research determined that it wasn't right for me.

          Their auto responders were having issues and support was difficult to reach slow to respond to other problems.

          What's funny is BC seems like it would be a really good solution when Adobe tightens things up a bit.

          After seeing what they've done with their CS products I'm sure BC won't be far behind.

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          • Profile picture of the author dannynz
            Originally Posted by Kevin AKA Hubcap View Post

            I was thinking about using Adobe Catalyst but after doing some research determined that it wasn't right for me.

            Their auto responders were having issues and support was difficult to reach slow to respond to other problems.

            What's funny is BC seems like it would be a really good solution when Adobe tightens things up a bit.

            After seeing what they've done with their CS products I'm sure BC won't be far behind.

            Kevin
            HI Kevin, BC now have live chat in the back admin when logged in now - helpful, they are still training staff but all good.

            There are a number of things it doesn't have which DAP does - especially around the blog posting and content side sneak and dripping plus amazing support. I tested using BC for my mobile marketing coaching site, but ended up with DAP and I am very happy
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    Ouch this video looks horrible ...
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  • Profile picture of the author FuNwiThChRiS
    Kajabi is one of the least user-friendly programs I've used to date. It's all hype and fails to deliver - just try switching themes if you don't believe me (that's right, you can't ...because there aren't any). Got a problem? Don't bother calling Tech Support for your PAID service ...there isn't a Tech Support.
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    P.S. Wordpress kills everything else I've seen ...I was actually looking forward to Kajabi until I got to use it...WP is the way to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author mick535
    I have gone with DAP as well as it is far superior to other plugins like Wishlist Member and Magic Members, plus the additional features it has that Kajabi does not. I have added JVPress to this as well and it seems like I have the complete package now.

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  • Profile picture of the author seg_cost
    Has anyone used FusionHQ? Suppose to be competitor to Kajabi but not launching until Nov? Looks like you have control of your hosting.
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    • Profile picture of the author BillyBee
      Originally Posted by seg_cost View Post

      Has anyone used FusionHQ? Suppose to be competitor to Kajabi but not launching until Nov? Looks like you have control of your hosting.
      I just signed up for FusionHQ a couple days ago. I have yet to create a website with it, so I can't comment yet on how well it works, but I've been on the inside looking at everything and I have to say that I'm very impressed so far. I don't know why more people aren't talking about FusionHQ, frankly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    I think that the way that Darren's view of hosted services was expressed on his blog is not a good perspective for every business model...

    So I'd like to post here a rebuttal or opposing view in regards to the wisdom of using or not using hosted services... of which I happen to operate more than one.

    Early in my business I took the approach of cobbling together various content delivery and membership management solutions because there was not a lot of all in one hosted solutions... closer to none available when I was first starting out.

    But one thing that I always used that made the biggest difference was a centralized ecommerce automation and affiliate management system where all my sales were processed and where all my affiliates were managed...

    Over the years I used many of the popular solutions both hosted and self hosted... I was even a member of the Warrior Alliance which was a killer group brought together by Allen (before the War Room) which cooperatively worked on and funded development of several ecommerce platforms most with the name EA and variations.

    Ultimately even though I used EA pro for a long time I was left with the same issues that I would have with a hosted service... even though I controlled everything... I had to migrate because I eventually outgrew what I originally thought was my dream self hosted solution ;-)

    A skeptical view of things is healthy… but if you are too skeptical you fail to see the benefits of truly powerful solutions that are out there just because they are "hosted…"

    Frankly many hosted solutions will make you more money, provide you better features, and are more qualified to manage and automate portions of business than most business owners are…. especially in the IM niche... and I am not just referring to ecommerce, membership etc. solutions.

    Imagine if you could hire a team of ecommerce, affiliate management, content delivery, and sales funnel automation experts to build you a system that would automate your entire business…

    And imagine if you could do it for just $100 a month and start tomorrow and you did not have to learn everything about ecommerce and affiliate management IT development management your self to do it.

    When high end 6 and 7 figure businesses hit these cross roads the cost of developing what they need is usually quoted out in the $30-$50k range... just to get off the ground with basic automation features they are looking at $10k and sometimes they spend that just integrating with other systems.

    So if you spent $100 a month or $1200 a year it could take you nearly a decade to get close to the expense of paying someone to develop it for you and you would not have to spend the months or even years hiring, pouring money into and managing the development of a platform that you had no expertise in developing in the first place.

    Some warriors do have the expertise... but not most. Most would quickly get lost or long down the road discover mistakes they or the unqualified outsourced self taught programmers they hired made that they can not turn around and correct.

    You see… nearly everyone who goes with a pieced together solution and becomes successful eventually runs into walls like integration, scaling, bug management, software update issues and has to go out and look for some programmer to hire or a team of programmers to hire to hack their scrapped together system to try and make it do what they want and never quite succeeds.

    Those that do succeed generally have a team of developers that they work with, or are programmers, or don’t have very complicated needs so their needs are more easily met…

    But once you get into the stuff that really matters in affiliate management, upsell automation, and multiformat content delivery like the kind of stuff we handle such as combined rss, podcast, membership, digital, on demand print, and physical product delivery…

    And you are trying to do all that using a pile of scripts by various authors of various levels of experience… that is when the real nightmares start

    Then you don’t have one team or one programmer to turn to and the costs begin to skyrocket into the thousands of dollars and the days and weeks of hacking without a solution mount up and in the end…

    You still don’t have the solution of your dreams.

    There are trade-offs and you do need to be wise when making these decisions and I am not saying that the suggestions you have made are not viable… some are and some are not.

    What I am saying is that anyone who believes that hosted solutions are simply designed to make you a slave needs to have a reality check.

    Hosted solutions can actually be far more reliable because you eliminate problems like server compatibility, having to deal with patches, and a lack of expertise when trying to manage IT you have no experience with.

    I have been on both sides of the boat…. and now my business and the demands I have for truly scalable advanced technology make me seek out many hosted services for various aspects of automation. Remote APIs are incredible and being able to tap into the resources of innovative hosted solutions for various technologies is now greater than ever… whether its SMS, Merchant Account Gateways, Third party SMTP services, RSS tools etc…

    Hosted services with APIs make it far easier for companies to tap into new tech than ever before.

    If all you are doing is a little blog with a small membership then you will be fine with scripts… and there are lots of cool scripts mentioned in various discussions on the WF and around the net.

    But if you intend to really kill it and grow and scale and tap into various advanced premium content and product delivery, CRMs, sales funnel automation, and affiliate management technologies that you do not feel qualified to be developing, hacking, and managing your self and do not have the desire to become an expert in and spend every day perfecting with the feedback of thousand of users testing every angle of your business automation system over years of use…

    That is what people turn to hosted services for.
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  • Profile picture of the author dfinancialmkt
    I am doing the trial and this probably isn't for newbies.
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  • Profile picture of the author cassidywilliams
    Traindom's most expensive package is $99 - like Kajabi's cheapest. And you have total control over the design. Designs like this WordPress 101 is the default template, but one can change it any way they like.

    You can upload any format video and not just mp4 (unlike Kajabi), video conversion and playback are superfast, html5 support comes with every package.

    And Traindom is unbeatable in usability. It's just so easy.
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    • Profile picture of the author BillyBee
      Originally Posted by cassidywilliams View Post

      Traindom's most expensive package is $99 - like Kajabi's cheapest. And you have total control over the design. Designs like this WordPress 101 is the default template, but one can change it any way they like.

      You can upload any format video and not just mp4 (unlike Kajabi), video conversion and playback are superfast, html5 support comes with every package.

      And Traindom is unbeatable in usability. It's just so easy.
      I looked into Traindom, but it's not even close to the same sort of product that Kajabi is. Apples and oranges. From what I could tell, Traindom is a way for you to deliver your products, but it's not an all-in-one website solution.
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  • Profile picture of the author rickdearr
    Anyone actually using it at all?
    The trade off's I am looking at are easy for the "non techie" to set up. Some of the suggestions to hire things done for you, still leaves you beholding to someone. I think I'd rather trust Andy and his team who have a reputation to uphold in the community, than someone out of the country I might not be able to have change something I want changed later.

    I'm just say'n

    I'd love to hear JaMo's stuff (with out the aff links...) just to have a seasoned marketer's "hands on" review too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
      Originally Posted by rickdearr View Post

      Anyone actually using it at all?
      The trade off's I am looking at are easy for the "non techie" to set up. Some of the suggestions to hire things done for you, still leaves you beholding to someone. I think I'd rather trust Andy and his team who have a reputation to uphold in the community, than someone out of the country I might not be able to have change something I want changed later.

      I'm just say'n

      I'd love to hear JaMo's stuff (with out the aff links...) just to have a seasoned marketer's "hands on" review too.

      Apparently my experienced opinion is not very welcomed here and labeled promotion even though I follow the rules as laid out. I'd love to give you an honest review but it will just appear as pandering or will be a waste of my time.

      Instead I'll just keep on enjoying Kajabi and making money instead of trying to offer real world feedback based on experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author jminkler
    @Andy
    Don't forget your operating expenses with this, paying nearly 4x what amazon would charge you. Problem with hosted services is in the long run you end up chewing up all your profits for the benefit of the hosting provider.

    Where are you getting numbers like that for automation .. seriously most of anything you do online right now there is already a script for..

    $10k? Geeze sign me up!

    The problem REALLY is most people starting out online or moving their brick and mortar online have ZERO business doing so. Do your homework! I'm not saying get an IT degree or anything but at least be familiar with common terms, common services being used, and software available (for free even!).

    If you progress to a 6-7 figure business online and you are still hosting your entire business through a hosted provider, you have some serious issues - mostly revolving around your monthly bills.
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  • Profile picture of the author CraigX
    With Kajabi your way to dependent on them. No control of your properties and I think it is overpriced.

    One other thing Im tired of all these launches lately that send one video for you to watch but only leads you on and on for weeks before you know the price then if you do buy your hit with all these upsales, downsales, sidewaysales.

    Get OptimizePress along with EasyVideoPlayer2.0 and your better off. I think FusionHQ also looks better then Kajabi
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  • Profile picture of the author affiliatechick
    I've noticed the reviews for Kajabi seem to be very split... it either kicks ass, or its a pain in the ass...

    I haven't purchased it yet myself, but I may be leaning towards it, just because of the "all in one" aspect and the clean look. I say if it costs $300/month and you're not at least pulling that much in already per month, either through any other form of marketing or with the Kajabi system, you probably should go with an alternative that's cheaper. But it doesn't sound like something that was necessarily built for newbies either. That's just my opinion...

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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Walls
    Wow...no one has mentioned Delavo in this thread. I have delavo and have been looking at Kajabi $300 solution for a few hours today...am already racing to the refund button...especially after reading about the data backup issues.
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  • Profile picture of the author helenaldin
    I'm with everyone else on WordPress. There's nothing faster that doesn't require an advanced degree in PHP to do 99% of what you want on any website in less time that it takes to figure out how to SPELL kajabi!
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  • Profile picture of the author goalpower
    I used it - hated it - didn't work and had p-poor documentation. So I quickly canceled.

    Maybe if they get the bugs out of it - then it would be good. However, it was ALREADY SUPPOSED TO BE BUG FREE (1 year of testing under its belt)...

    So... use caution.
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    • Profile picture of the author DaveManTheCaveMan
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      Originally Posted by goalpower View Post

      I used it - hated it - didn't work and had p-poor documentation. So I quickly canceled.

      Maybe if they get the bugs out of it - then it would be good. However, it was ALREADY SUPPOSED TO BE BUG FREE (1 year of testing under its belt)...

      So... use caution.

      I came back to this thread hoping they'd gotten those bugs out..

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      • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
        Originally Posted by DaveManTheCaveMan View Post

        I came back to this thread hoping they'd gotten those bugs out..

        I keep coming back to this thread to see if Andy will acknowledge the issues or attempt damage control. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author darrenmonroe
    Yeah JP actually I would flip it and do something just the opposite if I was them and site the issues and make it one time charge free to test for a month just to gain the credibility back somehow. That way people could see for free for themselves and if they like it buy one time.
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  • Profile picture of the author careybaird
    It is a great idea and concept, and I could really use it. But I think the honest reviews in this thread speak for themselves... this is why it is great being on WF
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    Using DAP. Would highly recommend it if you intended on using K as a membership site.
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