My second day with Kajabi. The Good The Bad and The UGLY!!

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Ok so i decided to take good ole cousin Andy up on his free trial.

I like Andy's videos and I learn a lot from the way he markets.

I figured since it's a FREE TRIAL what do I have to lose except a couple days playing around with a new toy.

If it sucks I'll just cancel before the trial expires.

If it's awesome and worth the price I'll stay a member!

The trial is 14 days and I'm looking to get a brand new clickbank product site up and running within that time all done in Kajabi.

So right after I sign up for the FREE TRIAL I dive right in.

FIRST IMPRESSIONS


Wow this looks way different that I thought it would. Much more complicated .. I passed this off as "it's just new I'm sure it's simple"
Which it seems to be after playing around with it for a while.

1st Problem

Tired to design a sales page and the sales page designer link took me to an error page.

Solution


Contacted support the wrote me back within a few hours and told me to clear my browers cookies cache etc.

Did that.. Sales creation link works like a charm! WOO HOO!!

2nd Problem

By default your links are titled myproduct.kajabi.com and you have to manually edit your DNS and cName files inside your hosting account.

If you don't know what this means .. NEITHER DID I.

Luckily they provide a bit of info..

So I tried it out.. don't know if I got it right.

Because..

3rd Problem


Any page I create takes me to a "something went wrong page" when I try to view or preview it.

Emailed support this morning. No response yet.

4th Problem

Trying to integrate clickbank.

There's a button that says click here to integrate with clickbank.

Which takes you to a page that says

Enter this URL in the notification URL box:


And gives you a URL.

But I don't know what a notification box is so I have no idea where to enter that.

It also saysTell Clickbank your secret key:

And it gives you an API key but I don't know where the "secret" section of clickbank is so I don't know where to enter it at

I even went on click bank and there's a couple different places to put different API keys none of which is labeled "secret"

And it says

Set the "Thank You URL" of your 1ShoppingCart account or the "Thank You URL" to the following:


Except I'm not using 1shoppingcart.. I'm using clickbank.. so is that supposed to say clickbank? Or did they just put that there for 1shoppingcart users.. or?

Anyway.. I emailed support about that this morning as well. No response yet.

So that's where I'm at right now.. trying to do it myself and not really able to. I have the will and the desire .. took them up on their trial .. I'm trying to implement asap and just sitting around waiting on support.

In Summary

If you're looking for the push button magic bullet solution.. this ain't it.

I'm sure I could spend several hours and teach myself all the answers to these problems using google and forums like this one.. but I don't want to pay $97 $197 or $297 a month to learn how to decode a PUSH BUTTON SYSTEM lol

And I certainly don't want to HIRE some one to set up something that's supposed to be point and click. (Kind of defeats the purpose right)

I'm sure it's great for more advanced programmers/techies etc..

Hopefully support emails me back soon so I can get some RESULTS with this thing because I think it's really cool I just don't know how to use it.

Overall

I'm pretty disappointed but still remaining hopeful.

*EDIT* I can't even spell the title right! lol Maybe that's why I can't get Kajabi to work for me! lol
#bad #day #good #kajai #ugly
  • Profile picture of the author globalpro
    If it makes you feel better, I have had a couple of clients tell me the same thing. Wanted to give it a whirl, but don't plan on continuing with it.

    You never know until you try and it definitely won't be for everyone.

    Thanks,

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author Bildeberg
    I got bored in the sales vid and switched off. Is there really anything more to this than some video squeeze page templates, a member site plugin and some CDN hosting? That's what it looked like from my (ultra quick) once over...
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by Bildeberg View Post

      Is there really anything more to this than some video squeeze page templates, a member site plugin and some CDN hosting?
      You mean like finding out what other marketers are targeting niche wise? :rolleyes:

      Not saying that's the case, but when all the trial periods end and X number of folks decide not to spring for the monthly payments...who has access to the data at that point?

      Will any of them get Kajabified?

      Market research. It's what drives this niche...

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  • Profile picture of the author Venturetothetop
    If the above two comments are true then i am truely gobsmacked as to why so many so called 'big promoters' jumped on board without even testing it.

    Every program has initial problems i agree, but no way I would promote something unless I know that it works well and is useful for my memberlist. I for one miss the truely honest testimonials list owners would send out rather then the scripted rubbish we see most of the time today.

    I thank you both for some alternative comments
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      Great thread. I was looking at it yesterday and to be honest, anything slightly complicated turns me off. That said, a successful colleague reckons it's the bees knees.

      As far as why the big promoters go... I suspect they promoted it for the moolah. What else?

      However, I can see where And is coming from in trying to automate the marketing funnel from pre-launch to sale.

      Look forward to more feedback.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marty S
      Thanks so much for this. I was really committed to doing the trial, but with just those things that you have explained would have made my blood boil, since Kajabi's claim is getting past the techie complications. Thats what I am looking for.

      I am now leaning to just hiring someone on this forum to set me up a kajabi-like solution and continue to host my videos on Amazon using EVP. If any Warriors would like this kind of work, please PM me so I have you on file when I launch my next video series.

      Dave I hope you update this as your experience progresses with Kajabi.
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      • Profile picture of the author DaveManTheCaveMan
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        Originally Posted by Marty S View Post

        Thanks so much for this. I was really committed to doing the trial, but with just those things that you have explained would have made my blood boil, since Kajabi's claim is getting past the techie complications. Thats what I am looking for.

        I am now leaning to just hiring someone on this forum to set me up a kajabi-like solution and continue to host my videos on Amazon using EVP. If any Warriors would like this kind of work, please PM me so I have you on file when I launch my next video series.

        Dave I hope you update this as your experience progresses with Kajabi.
        For sure. I'm going to stick with it for a couple more days(or more if everything goes well) I'll update this thread with new info as soon as I get some..

        I pretty much stuck waiting on support right now. :confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author Dave Lianelli
      Originally Posted by Venturetothetop View Post

      If the above two comments are true then i am truely gobsmacked as to why so many so called 'big promoters' jumped on board without even testing it.
      What bothers me even more is that, in relation with one of them has recently posted about promoting 'rubbish'. It seems to be a trend to stand out, however alot of 'them' still promote the same old rubbish.

      (see the post here)

      Right now, most of the problems you're facing can be due to your lack of technical skills. HOWEVER, that's not something that anyone should hold against you. The creators of Kajabi should have thought of that - resulting in the creation of a FAQ or manual.

      Another issue might be the usability-part of the website. I know from experience on working on large IT-projects - that most developers/marketers/entrepreneurs forget or find it hard to keep the end-consumer in mind while setting up the user-interface.

      In this case you can easily call the User Interface pretty sloppy. And to make it worse, since you had to clear cookies - there might even be some heavy coding errors in the underlaying programs. A tested client-sided environment shouldn't develop such issues when performing such 'normal' tasks.

      I haven't tried Kajabi. But when I read the post of the OP, I've made up my mind. If there are so many errors/bugs/whatever in an official release of the program, then you don't deserve to get any customers.
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      • Profile picture of the author DaveManTheCaveMan
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        Originally Posted by Dave Lianelli View Post


        Right now, most of the problems you're facing can be due to your lack of technical skills. HOWEVER, that's not something that anyone should hold against you. The creators of Kajabi should have thought of that - resulting in the creation of a FAQ or manual.
        Yeah I'm 100% sure if I had the tech skills to run it the platform would be awesome.

        The problem is .. is that it's being MARKETED like your don;t need tech skills lol

        Which as of right now .. doesn't seem to be the case.

        Maybe they rolled it out too soon? ie "Good enough is good enough"

        Either way Andy seems like a good guy and I really like the idea so I'm trying to give it the benifit of the doubt.

        I totally agree they should have included way more FAQ's PDF's Help Videos and Troubleshooting Guides because when you market a no skills required solution to people who aren't tech savvy then even what seems like the most basic self explanatory things need explaining or even better.. AUTOMATION like the sales video implies.

        I'm sure most people reading this are like "dude.. you can't even do DNS and cName stuff... wtf!"

        But to me that stuff is like speaking Greek and I would have LOVED a video on how to do it ..or even better them to have developed a way where I didn't need to.

        But like I said Andy comes across as a good natured dude and I'd love to have a Kajabi site up and running so I'm going to keep on truckin!
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      • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
        Originally Posted by Dave Lianelli View Post

        What bothers me even more is that, in relation with one of them has recently posted about promoting 'rubbish'. It seems to be a trend to stand out, however alot of 'them' still promote the same old rubbish.

        (see the post here)
        I'm not sure you're making much sense. If you read "one of them's" emails to his list about this you would see he uses it and is loving it for his most recent coaching program.

        So maybe because it's rubbish to you although you haven't even used it and are just basing your judgment on other people who tried it with mixed reactions without actually trying it yourself, doesn't mean it is rubbish to the marketer you are referring to or the people who did take the trial and are not having issues with the software.

        Just sayin...
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      Originally Posted by Venturetothetop View Post

      If the above two comments are true then i am truely gobsmacked as to why so many so called 'big promoters' jumped on board without even testing it.

      Every program has initial problems i agree, but no way I would promote something unless I know that it works well and is useful for my memberlist. I for one miss the truely honest testimonials list owners would send out rather then the scripted rubbish we see most of the time today.

      I thank you both for some alternative comments
      The 'Big' promoters like Frank Kern and others who're promoting HAVE tested it. Their product launches were run on it, and we all saw how massive those launches were. If that isn't testing the hell out of it...then what is?

      Like anything, it'll take a bit of time to get a hang of everything it has to offer.

      I can bet the vast majority of people who try it will love it. Its not for everyone.
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      • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
        Originally Posted by Stephen Bray View Post

        I supect the 'big promoters' have a tech staff
        who know how to edit DNS etc


        If you really knew how easy it was to edit DNS, you would probably retract this statement.

        It's one of those things like FTP that sounds SOOOO complicated because of the scary 3 letter abbreviation for a name, but once you actually DO IT for the first time, you'll find yourself saying...

        "That's all that is?"

        I'll bet there are videos on youtube showing you how to do this. Or you can submit a ticket with your webhost and they can tell you how too.

        You don't need a staff for this.

        - Jason

        PS - I dont have any affiliation with Kajabi. I just find this thread interesting.
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          • Profile picture of the author DaveManTheCaveMan
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            Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

            Come on Jason, that stuff might be easy for us but for some people it's really tough so you really can't be that condescending.

            If a software is marketed at newbies you can't then complain that the newbies are well... newbies who don't know what to us is simple. He gave it a 14-day trial and found it tough whereas someone else might think it's easy peasy. That's all.

            Peeps get 14 day free trial and a 30 day money back guarantee so they do get a chance to kick the tires.
            I agree that something simple for you and Jason is probably very unsimple for the regular newb.

            For me Kajabi was simple enough once I talked to support. The problem I was having was with the fact I capatalized the first letter of my domin in the Kajabi field you enter your custom domain in. (I had the DNS set up correctly even though I wasn't sure)

            My reason for canceling wasn't the fact that I couldn't set up a Kajabi site. That part is easy once you google DNS and how to take screen shots with Mac to send to support.

            I canceled because of the S L O W video upload time and the S L O W load time on videos uploaded to the site.

            That being said Alan is right on because I doubt most newbies looking for a push button solution would even get as far as I did because the software assumes the user knows how to do a lot of BASIC (yet probably intimidating) tech stuff.
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    Kajabi marketing video seem awesome & now we have warrior members tested it out...

    Is it really such complicated to use Kajabi?

    Any more warriors who have tested & wanna give some feedback here?
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    i'm with jason.. (whats up bro? long time no see)

    99% of the stuff you're having issues with, are super simple things.... in fact, i think everything would work if you got over your fear of setting those things up and just did it.

    cmon. google it and get it done.

    sounds like you're just a lil scared to get stuff done.... we've all been there.

    kudos for trying it out.... i mean thats something 99% of the ppl here wont do.

    the tech issues are super simple to fix.... and the platform looks really awesome. like anything, it takes a bit to get used to and comfortable.

    trust me, frank wouldn't promote it for the money.... he's got more than enough.

    he promoted it because the system kicked serious butt for him and his customers loved the course he had using it.
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    • Profile picture of the author DaveManTheCaveMan
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      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      i'm with jason.. (whats up bro? long time no see)

      99% of the stuff you're having issues with, are super simple things.... in fact, i think everything would work if you got over your fear of setting those things up and just did it.

      cmon. google it and get it done.
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      Right .. I DID google it.. and CALLED GoDaddy and had them walk me through it.

      I'm STILL getting error pages so I don't know if the dns and cname are set up correctly or if the error is coming from somewhere else.

      I'm guessing that the errors messages are for some other reason because GoDaddy staff is trained in dns etc.

      Also... I never said that this stuff isn't simple. I understood the basic dns stuff as soon as the guy walked me through it.

      I wouldn't buy a push button simple product just to have to learn how simple dns is.

      And I don't think the average customer wants to have to call his hosting company for a product that is being called push button simple ESPECIALLY when that product still gets error messages after a hosting professional walk you though the set up process.

      They could have paid a couple hundred bucks and had videos made for all this rather than just assuming because THEY(and you) think it's simple that the average customer would too.

      But yeah.. I see the possibilities and like the idea of it so I'm sticking with it.. which probably makes me the above average customer.

      The thing is A LOT of people won't want to stick with it because there wasn't a disclaimer that says .. *by push button simple we mean if you understand dns, cname, api codes, and are willing to call your hosting company, google things and try and decipher tech talk and/or hire a tech team or wait on our support team to email you back and hope you understand what they mean. If not google it yourself and learn to speak "tech nerd" and set it up yourself without really just pushing a button.
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  • Profile picture of the author KristenArnold
    Originally Posted by Stephen Bray View Post

    [B]I supect the 'big promoters' have a tech staff
    who know how to edit DNS etc
    Actually, as the "tech staff" behind the PLF3 portal I DIDN'T know how to change the DNS.. but then again I'm only technical enough to be dangerous so all I did was follow their directions and did it

    This is a pretty big thread and I didn't go thru each post but it looks like most people are just starting out with the free trial and are in clicking around and testing things out. But I thought I would share a my personal view for what it's worth since I've been using the system since we rolled out Product Launch Formula a few months ago.

    1. There are lots of people in the IM niche that are MUCH more technical than me.. my specialty is operations and content. So, for that reason, I NEED the simple, push button features to efficiently get my job done or I end up spending time finding contractors and outsourcing and that takes more work.

    2. For the above reason, I take the following position: I'm sure there are plenty of people that jumped on board but haven't fully determined what you actually want to DO with the system.

    It's good to get in there and fudge around with it and come up with your initial thoughts but it's really important to think strategically on HOW you will use the system and that will essentially guide you in your decision in the platform you will need to do that.

    Foundation is key-

    Do you already have a product that you want to re-create in Kajabi?
    -Are you starting from scratch?
    -What level of interaction do you want to have with your customers?
    -What level of interaction do you want them to have with eachother?
    -What is your end result- ongoing sales? perpetual launches?
    -What assets (shopping cart/list host) do you already have? What assets do you need?
    -How do you want to roll out your content? Is it all at once? Timed? Can everyone see everything?
    -Do you have a team? Are you tech savvy? Do you like to do it yourself? Do you like to be a one person show?
    -Do you need the full system or just a delivery mechanism?
    -Where are you in business, just starting out or been successfully growing?

    You have to have the end goal in your mind on what you need otherwise no system can perform to your expectations.

    3. My likes- Dislikes are based on my experiences using other scripts such as aMember, Wishlist, Membergate, Wordpress, lot's of various plugins and of course now, Kajabi.

    I could go into more depth but for now I'll just list some basic points:

    1. The simple login: I don't have to flip between amember/wordpress and the amember administrative panel to look stuff up. This saves me oodles of time and not to count frustration with login/passwords. This is one or two clicks for me now.

    2. Quick Setup: I can get content pages done in a matter of minutes and full portals done in under 30 minutes.

    3. I LOVE the new level it has taken with customers. We can see them, watch their comments, watch their interaction with others, interact with them. Yes, I know, you can put other platforms together with similar features but it's just so darn easy with Kajabi and everything is one click away- For example, I can see someone's comment to a video, click on their name and see what other questions or comments they have made, can click again to see the behind the scenes "office notes" on an individual from customer service, click again and be seeing their Twitter stream. It really does take the personal interaction and connection you have with customers to a different level.

    4. Sort of covered above, but the one click from an admin level to the end user view makes fixes and changes uber streamlined instead of having to deal with protection cookies and barriers/logins.

    5. The way you can add teaser or preview text is easy and just a matter of typing but adds value to the end users ease.

    6. Appearance- Graphics and web design are not my strength, so I like that I can easily customize colors with just a click, add a header logo with a simple upload.

    7. The simple use of "User Levels"- I created one project that now has 8 different user levels and I can pick and choose what content pages they see and what content pages they see but can't access and what they don't even see at all - yes, that's with one click.

    8. User administration- seeing how many times someone has logged in - that's in lots of the other systems but you can add in office notes, see their last login date, how often they comment and what they say all on one screen. This is great not only for a time saver but also if you ever need to dispute a charge back (you have proof how active they were) or other administrative pieces.

    9.Attachements- I like the consistency of attachments on the content pages- end users know where they are, how many they are- this is my personal preference but I like the icons and file names and the point, click, upload means I can get about 20 documents uploaded in 10 minutes.

    10. Videos- I only use MP4's and I upload direct into the content pages and that's it. That is a much cleaner process for me then in the past when I had to use EZS3, create players, copy- paste- embed. The biggest mistakes I made at the begining was try to upload files with spaces in the name (always causes an issue with S3) and leaving the content page before it finished uploading.

    11. The new feature of scheduling posts can be done in many of the other platforms, but again, I like that it's just an extra box to select in the content set up and you can publish it, keep it hidden as a draft, or schedule the date for release.

    12. The Evergreen feature- again simple and a nice option depending on the product.

    Now.. While I have stuck with this system even through the bugs and working without lots of the features that are now there and taking into consideration some of the new features, there are still areas that leave room for improvement.

    1. I can't add images into content without it being hosted elsewhere.
    2. I don't like that end users can "Answer" each other in comments- I think that should be something Administrators/Moderators only can do. That is a personal preference though and not a system error.
    3. Limitations in page layout- videos will show up below the text and the attachments at the bottom.
    4. If your a control freak- the inability to control the "plumbing"- but if you like that stuff, go do it, I like that I don't have to worry about permissions, ftping, directories, css and all that other stuff so it lets me focus on what's important the CONTENT.
    5. The funnels aren't quiet as simple as I thought they would be.. but I have to admit, once I started working with it, it got simplier.
    6. Backups- I have the utmost faith that the Kajabi team won't let our site disappear but let's admit that all your content should be backed up (like any other hosted service) and it's a bit more time intensive since I make sure I have a copy of all the videos, content and attachments for every page- it's not like a simple "back up site to x location" and they email you when it's done.
    7. The forum feature could be more robust to allow threads easier to follow.
    8. Private Messaging- you can't private message that leaves me emailing people direct or having customer service do it.

    So that is my basic overview (but a very long post, sorry) from using the system- and no you won't find an affiliate link in here

    -Kristen Arnold
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    If you guys want to figure out how to use Kajabi, I built a course on it which you can get for free. There isn't a Kajabi affiliate link in there either, just wanted to help people out.

    http://howtokajabi.kajabi.com/sales_pages/167
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    • Profile picture of the author DaveManTheCaveMan
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      Originally Posted by LiamMcIvorMartin View Post

      If you guys want to figure out how to use Kajabi, I built a course on it which you can get for free. There isn't a Kajabi affiliate link in there either, just wanted to help people out.

      http://howtokajabi.kajabi.com/sales_pages/167
      Do you show how to integrate with clickbank?

      Troubleshoot error pages?

      *EDIT* Also when you say there's no affiliate links for Kajabi in there do you mean on that site or in your email follow up?
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    Both, it's completely free, I've put this together as a list building program, enjoy and distribute.
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      Originally Posted by LiamMcIvorMartin View Post

      Both, it's completely free, I've put this together as a list building program, enjoy and distribute.
      You have aff links in your follow up. No big deal. I think that's a smart way for people to see how Kajabi works without buying it .. then when they see it if they like it they'll buy from you. Smart!

      PS I signed up but can't find clickbank intergreation "how to" only 1shopping cart. Also I can't find a "how to" on troubleshooting error pages.

      Over all the videos are very well done and informative.
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      • Profile picture of the author DaveManTheCaveMan
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        **UPDATE**

        Got a response from support about clickbank and error pages.

        1. They told me to click the clickbank link and I'll get the API which I already did. I needed to know where to install it. Probably just miscommunication due to the fact their support team is probably SWAMPED!!

        2. They said to send them screen shots of my dns set up. I don't have screen capture software.

        I know people are going to say .. go download free screen capture software install it use it and send them the files..

        But isn't that a lot of work for a product that's supposed to just WORK!? lol

        I really want Kajabi to just work. I'd LOVE to have the community features it allows.. tagging comments as questions or statements or answers..

        AWESOME!

        But alas I can't even get the darn thing set up
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        • Profile picture of the author The Wanderer
          Originally Posted by DaveManTheCaveMan View Post

          **UPDATE**

          2. They said to send them screen shots of my dns set up. I don't have screen capture software.

          I know people are going to say .. go download free screen capture software install it use it and send them the files..
          No need for that-- at least if you have Windows. Just hit the Prt Sc (print screen) button on the functions part of the keyboard (the part at the top that has F1, F2, etc.) That will copy whatever is on your screen onto the clipboard. Then just paste into your e-mail or another document. I've used this to create reports, and even short videos. Works like a charm.
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          • Profile picture of the author DaveManTheCaveMan
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            Originally Posted by The Wanderer View Post

            No need for that-- at least if you have Windows. Just hit the Prt Sc (print screen) button on the functions part of the keyboard (the part at the top that has F1, F2, etc.) That will copy whatever is on your screen onto the clipboard. Then just paste into your e-mail or another document. I've used this to create reports, and even short videos. Works like a charm.
            I never knew that! I used to have windows now i have a Mac. There's a way to do it on here I'm sure.
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              Originally Posted by DaveManTheCaveMan View Post

              I never knew that! I used to have windows now i have a Mac. There's a way to do it on here I'm sure.
              Google is your friend ... just search for "Mac Screenshot" and you'd already have had your answer. Why complain when a simple search could have had your question answered in under 10 seconds?

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                Google is your friend ... just search for "Mac Screenshot" and you'd already have had your answer. Why complain when a simple search could have had your question answered in under 10 seconds?

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                Just want the product to work as advertised..
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        You have aff links in your follow up. No big deal.
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          Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

          That's against the rules, so the post has been deleted.
          Yikes .. I feel bad now! I didn't mean to get the guy deleted. His tutorials are pretty well done!
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    dave keep at it dude... it'll be worth it.

    maybe you just have a new product in your hands.... HOW to setup kajabi for beginners.

    Edit: someone's already got the same type of idea. kudos :-)
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      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      dave keep at it dude... it'll be worth it.

      maybe you just have a new product in your hands.... HOW to setup kajabi for beginners.

      Edit: someone's already got the same type of idea. kudos :-)

      Thanks for the support! I'm going to stick with it for the full 14 days. If it works by then .. I'm in!

      If not.. no worries. I'll probably check it out again later when I do my next product.. hopefully by then it's be tech-newbie proof! lol
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  • Profile picture of the author julesw
    i've been using it - 3 things that are worrying

    1 You can't upload a jpeg you have to host it elsewhere and embed the url
    2. Videos have been taking 12 hrs or never appearing at all after upload
    3. You can't easily make text appear below a video on a post only above

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  • Profile picture of the author deu12000
    If you have to deal with DNS and CNAME records that does complicate things a lot depending on your hosting and the person using it. I've been hosting myself for about 7 or 8 years now (between dedicated servers and VPS's) and I can tell you that the whole CNAME thing had me mystified at first and I consider myself decent on technical stuff, I had to read a few tutorials to get things straightened out (this was several years ago). Also some people don't have access on shared hosting accounts to CNAME and DNS records so it would involve speaking to your host for every site you build to create the necessary records (if they even do that).

    It doesn't sound super easy for non-technical people, but slapping together a whole bunch of scripts and plugins to get the same effect isn't either. Everything has it's pros and cons. Personally I don't need Kajabi (or being 100% hosted on there servers that's a deal breaker for me), but I am on the fence between Easy Video Player and JVPress, I guess it depends on the pricing Easy Video Player comes out with now that they are relaunching.
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  • Profile picture of the author hd28qi
    Honestly, when you start using it, it is frustrating. It's easy to use, but there are some bugs. After like 2 weeks (beta tester) I got it working JUST fine minus a couple minor annoyances. Not ready for prime time, BUT if you really need it, it works. I think many jumped the gun and were expecting it to be something it is not, and post negative things. That's not to say they don't deserve some negative feedback for saying this was out of beta.... just saying that some of the harshness is unfair, being that you CAN make this work just fine, as you have seen it with the gurus.
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      • Profile picture of the author sharp11
        I'm already noticing other launches that are using the Kajabi interface and my concern is that this will become saturated quickly.

        If launches, squeeze pages, opt-ins etc. start to look like they are cut from the same cloth, uniform in approach, two peas in a pod type thing, then this may be another cookie cutter offering. I'm sure Kajabi will make plenty of KaChing but I'm not Konvinced. Smells like the same ol' cookie batter in new, slick packaging.

        Also, Andy Jenkins claims to already have a couple of thousand members, and if the average member goes for the option to use unlimited sites at $200 per month, then that would translate to $2,400 per year, which is a lot more KaChing than most products. Good for Andy though, as he could be bringing in at least $500,000 in kash per month. Kongratulations!
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        • Profile picture of the author mick535
          I have several of my own product and was looking for an integration product to make things easier as far as management goes. I don't like the current products out there and was actually considering Nanacast when Kajabi came along. So far Nanacast.com seems better.

          Compare features here: http://www.nanacast.com

          In my very basic testing of Kajabi, I have had nothing but problems.

          1. Theme Editor: The color pickers in the theme editor did not work at all. 2 days after I submitted my support request, they fixed it for me.

          2. Uploaded a simple 8 minute MP4 Video into the system to see what the rendering time is and how it would look. So far it has been over 48 hours since I loaded it and about 36 hours since I submitted my support request about it and still nothing. According to the system, my video is still "rendering".

          3. The HTML5 editor will not allow me to use HTML5 tags for centering content on the Squeeze page I created. Every time I add my own HTML, the editor changes it and removes my tags. I used 4 different methods in html from using DIV tags to creating tables to overcome this and nothing worked.

          4. Getreponse integration: I have been running campaigns on Getresponse for over 4 years and thought the integration was easy. I guess I was wrong because it has not worked yet. I don't like an Auto Insertion that I cannot customize anyways which makes this very simplistic when it comes to other options on the market. I have a support ticket on this as well. Nothing back yet.

          5. Facebook Integration: It worked for me as did the Comment Insertion when I tried it. The problem is, everything is centered on the page, but the Facebook Comments are not. It is all shifted to the far left making the page look broken. You don't have an option to decide if you want these things centered or not and it can make for a very cookie cutter looking experience.

          I love the content management. I love the overall concept and I want this to work. I really need it to work because even at $199 for the pro Package, it is an economically sound way of managing my business and it replaces a lot of other tools and things that you would have to setup as a Marketer in this business. The problem is: It does not work as advertised right now.

          I am hoping it is because of the large number of people using it for testing that they didn't anticipate the massive amount of bandwidth and resources this launch would take. I can see by the slow reaction on support requests that they are currently scrambling to fix a lot of problems that probably should have been fixed by their "extensive and long development cycle" on this product.

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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    hang in there guys, i'm sure they're fixing whatever bugs are in there.

    wouldnt worry about the 'cookie cutter-ness' of the landing pages etc.

    My landing page is ALL OVER THE INTERNET (the 'warning' one i did for kern that you've seen everywhere) and yet it still crushes for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author mick535
      Originally Posted by davemiz View Post

      hang in there guys, i'm sure they're fixing whatever bugs are in there.

      wouldnt worry about the 'cookie cutter-ness' of the landing pages etc.

      My landing page is ALL OVER THE INTERNET (the 'warning' one i did for kern that you've seen everywhere) and yet it still crushes for me.
      I am not worrying about the "cookie-cutter" issue as much as having basic functionality that was described in the video actually work.

      The problem I see is a lack of flexibility. The funnel events must start with an Event and not a Squeeze or Sales page meaning you have to create an event that you cannot have a Optin box automatically inserted. The base funnel page link goes to nowhere when created as well, meaning you have to create 2 items before you can create a squeeze page with an auto insert of the Optin box without any customization. I finally got a response on why I cannot seem to get my HTML to work in the HTML edtor and the response was: We are testing to fix this problem now. Please send all code you have tried to use.

      I am not saying this to bash because I want the system to work because I want a centralized setup. The lack of integration between Projects can keep you from simply dropping in Memberships to work with other Memberships. After test driving Nanacast, I found you need to have more HTML skills, but it has so much in terms of flexibility that you can literally do anything you want to do. If you use Wordpress as your Membership content hub, you can use the WYSIWYG Post Editor and never worry about technical skills for Page development. If you are an advanced user, this system has everything you could ever want and you can consolidate and mix and match products.

      I am torn because I want the features of Kajabi, but Nanacast has 1000 More options for less money.

      Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author defaultuser
    Currently I am in the thick of all of this. There haven't been many comments in the support section, and there aren't too many happy people.

    I was having login issues from the get go. I figured it out, but didn't get a support response for a few days. Had I still had problems logging in I would be pretty upset.

    While I have no problem paying the monthly fee I still want to get as much as I can out of it for free.

    For those who have figured out how to use it despite the many bugs LOVE LOVE LOOOOVE it.

    There are many like myself excited to see this when it is actually working.

    Until then I am using my usual methods.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zach Booker
    Hey everyone,

    First of all, I am not associated with Kajabi in anyway.

    I bought it on launch day.

    A HUGE reason for the disappointed or lack of enthusiasm about Kajabi both on the support forum and here is because of the nature of the product.

    I liken it a lot to flashy Wordpress themes. You go, look at the examples, and they are all so flashy and drool-getting. But then when you buy, and install, you have this blank white canvas that looks NOTHING like what you wanted.

    Now some, more experienced people, who buy the theme will realize that it takes customization to get it to look as good as the examples. But the vast majority, who buy on the examples, think they just got fooled.

    ESPECIALLY when they try and customize it and it turns out to require some design, coding, etc knowledge that they don't have.

    That's what's happening right now... people buy off of the List Control, PLF, and Outsource Force examples and forget that what made them all look so good was the detail in design and videos done by these guys.

    Getting your site, like theirs, will require design knowledge and even some coding.

    Now once you do it once, although it may cost a bit, you'll know how to do it forever and for all your sites down the road. Just like with anything else, there is going to be a learning curve associated with it.

    I'm going to use Kajabi for upcoming products that I have floating around my head (not sure if I'll make them or not). BUT I won't be using this for any niches outside of internet marketing until I get my coder to comb through some things.

    I realize why they have it self-hosted, as I would have it if I built it. But I don't like the knowledge of my niches they could get if they wanted to. This is why I'm getting my coder to look into it; to try and see what things, if they choose to, they could see and what things they couldn't.

    Bottom line is you need to have a current project, or future project, before you get Kajabi. That should be common sense... but as with any product most people never get around to even looking at it.

    Also be prepared to shell out a few hundred if you want it to look good. You'll need a designer to do a few things to make it look like List Control or Video Boss. And you may need someone more technically inclined, if you aren't, to show you how to set things up.

    Again, all things I'm more than willing to do and knew I'd need before buying. But I'm sure many did think that you could make it all look fantastic by just pushing a few buttons.

    Cheers,

    Zach
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    • Profile picture of the author mick535
      I am sure in some people's cases that is indeed true, but the issues I have experienced are in fact based solely on the base functionality supplied and promised by Kajabi.

      If you promise push button injections of things like Optin boxes and Video, you should be able to use the system as prescribed. Not wait over 48 hours for a video to render and have nothing happen. Or have the Theme Editor not work until you submit a Support request.

      I should be able to use simple HTML to center content I have input into the HTML box in the WYSIWYG Editor.

      I should be able to simply adjust where the Facebook comments get centered or aligned left or right on a page, etc.

      Have you tested all of these functions and had them work 100% to your satisfaction? I am genuinely curious as to how this system has worked for everyone so far. I mean a basic integration like an Affiliate Program would be nice right out of the box as well. For a lower price, the Nanacast example I used above, has this fully integrated into the centralized system, along with being able to use multiple products and memberships and integrate them across project boundaries.

      When you are talking about using it to consolidate your business and centralize, the cost savings aspect needs to be a part of it as well. I am sure they spent $5000 creating the sales video alone. Some of that money should have gone into more product development.

      I just worry too about the Delavo example. When John Delavera offered Delavo (another centralized system based off the original JV Manager), he gave users a base product with nothing in it, but then when you wanted increased functionality, you had to keep buying and buying plugins to get it to do what you needed. Soon, the cost to benefit ratio dropped way off the board, but you had your entire business wrapped up in this product and you are asking yourself: How do I move my business out of this now?? You get stuck. Then John Delavera dropped his full support for the product and handed it to Mark Joiner. Where is Delavo now?

      Delavo

      They don't even have a fully working home page anymore. As a Marketer, I have a responsibility to my customers and part of that isn't just my product, it is being consistent. Your reputation is everything in this business and I consider putting my customers first as one of the main parts of my Mission Statement. So I take every purchase I make seriously.

      I want this to work and I hope it is a scaling issue, but as the sales video says: This is a Product Created by "Marketers" so I fully expect the Upsell process to hit soon, but my internal hope is that I am wrong about this. I am looking for the right centralized solution for my business and have yet to find it. Kajabi could be it if the wrinkles are worked out fast because on paper it fits my business model perfectly.

      Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author cassidywilliams
    The usability issues were a major turn-off for me too. It's just way too complicated. The sales funnels thing? Good luck figuring that out.

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  • Profile picture of the author dean_holland
    Started a trial today

    Got to say, LOVED the whole concept watching the sales presentation from Andy. He sure is great at what he does.

    Kajabi sounded like near perfection for some projects I have going on currently and some I'm about to start.

    BUT... it just doesn't quite seem right. Now I'm not saying it's bad in any sense and in fact what I would say is that if anyone spends a few days playing with it it will seem easy to use ( Just my prediction after 1 day using it )

    On the flip side, maybe they have brought this customer reaction expressed in this thread on themselves. It was positioned VERY heavily as a 'push a button for that' solution, and well yes there are some of them features... Just not quite as advertised.

    All in all, I'm VERY excited about using Kajabi and what it can bring to my business. It just needs to sort everything and catch up to how it is being advertised. Still an awesome product 100% !

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  • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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    Thanks for the review. It soudns like an interesting program and it would be great if it works. Hopefully it's just the glitches as with many new or relatively new products and services.
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      Originally Posted by humbledmarket View Post

      Thanks for the review. It soudns like an interesting program and it would be great if it works. Hopefully it's just the glitches as with many new or relatively new products and services.
      Your welcome. I'm emailing back and forth with supprt to ge tthe issues resolved. They seem helpful.
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      • Profile picture of the author Wuuki
        Here it comes, another review after playing with it for 6 days:

        1. Kajabi is not a 'push-a-button-and-be-ready-to-launch-system' at all.
        2. Support Desk must be swamped because I am still waiting for 2 answers (4 days old)
        3. I signed up through Jeff Walker link because he offered "cheat-sheets" to shorten the learning curve. Waiting for it, if they don't help, I will skip it for later because I am busy with other projects and just thought of testing because a push-button-system shouldn't take too much time.....; but it just did.

        Conclusion: If you have time to really test it out, give it a try, otherwise wait until the dust has settled.

        Will use it for my full 30-days refund period as you can even get your money back within the first 30 days. Don't want to judge too early. Let you know if I have anything of value to share.

        Hope this helps.

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        • Profile picture of the author Craig Beckta
          I just want to say I think Andy Jenkins and the Video Boss
          are incredibly awesome.

          As far as Kajabi, I was able to experience it is as a customer
          for both Video Boss and List Control.

          It is an incredible membership platform.

          But it does take a bit of tweaking to get it
          to work the way you want it to.

          It's kind of like when you first install Wordpress and
          you're kind of fumbling around trying to figure it out.

          It's new software and navigating it has some challenges.

          There are a few glitches as well.

          And the tutorial guides and videos could be a whole lot
          better.

          I would like to see some videos on Clickbank integration
          and getting buyers on a list, up sells, down sells etc.

          That information seems to be missing from the training
          area.

          How this was overlooked I'm not quite sure.

          Kajabi is not ready for Clickbank...

          I tried a test purchase yesterday and had some major issues
          with no clear instructions from support how to rectify them.

          On the other hand I think in a couple of months from now
          everything will be running smoothly...

          Although I'll probably still have to use EZS3 for my
          videos.

          It's just quicker.

          Also, you'll still need another webhost to host some
          images or use Amazon for that.

          All in all it's pretty cool but just not quite ready to
          go.

          They may have jumped the gun a little on this one
          but I'm sure if it's like anything else Andy is involved
          with, it will eventually over deliver on it's promises.

          Although I'm a little disappointed it's not working as
          smoothly as advertised and it doesn't seem to be
          ready for Clickbank today or anytime soon.

          I am confident that the Kajabi team will get it working
          as soon as they can.

          Unfortunately, I need something that is working this
          week not maybe sometime in the future.

          There are other options that are working currently
          and sadly I may have to go with tried and true solutions
          like a Wordpress them secured by Amember.

          And JV Press or Optimize Press or even Easy Video Player 2
          for my upcoming pre-launch.

          It's true that it's a combination of Frankenstein technology
          like Andy says.

          But at the end of the day you can count on it to work.

          Still gotta love Andy Jenkins though.

          He's a great guy and I'm not giving up just yet.

          Nor do I have any issues with buying anything he
          puts out in the future.

          I have my fingers crossed that this will be my platform
          of choice sooner than later.

          Craig
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          • Profile picture of the author Sean A McAlister
            I don't necessarily agree that integrating solutions is "Frankenstein" technology....

            And it seems that Kajabi, has a lot of that very same Frankenstein Technology within the platform...and you still have to integrate with other service providers / Api's

            No doubt it's a great platform and I'm sure they'll get the bugs worked out.
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          • Profile picture of the author Wuuki
            Originally Posted by Craig Beckta View Post

            I just want to say I think Andy Jenkins and the Video Boss
            are incredibly awesome.


            All in all it's pretty cool but just not quite ready to
            go.

            They may have jumped the gun a little on this one
            but I'm sure if it's like anything else Andy is involved
            with, it will eventually over deliver on it's promises.

            Although I'm a little disappointed it's not working as
            smoothly as advertised and it doesn't seem to be
            ready for Clickbank today or anytime soon.

            I am confident that the Kajabi team will get it working
            as soon as they can.

            It's true that it's a combination of Frankenstein technology
            like Andy says.

            Still gotta love Andy Jenkins though.

            He's a great guy and I'm not giving up just yet.

            Nor do I have any issues with buying anything he
            puts out in the future.

            I have my fingers crossed that this will be my platform
            of choice sooner than later.

            Craig
            Hey Craig,

            It's not about whether or not we love Andy to death, it's all about time. Time is our #1 asset, so it makes me angry to waste time because things are promoted as 'rock-solid', 'beta-tested-by-the-best', just to figure out the Frankensteins are everywhere in Kajabi.

            I agree, this WILL be a beast but so far it has cost me far too many hours just to find out, as you said well, that one cannot trust the system for what's made for: Launching a product.

            Easy Video Player - that I've been beta testing since first version thanks to WSO -is the way we all want to get introduced to a software: Ready to use with a fantastic support team (thank you Chris) in case something goes wrong.

            Guess, we all agree on this, don't we?

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            • Profile picture of the author Craig Beckta
              Yeah,

              I have wasted quite a bit of time with
              Kajabi so far.

              I spoke with Sean about JV Press and
              he has helped me out with that.

              And JV Press works like advertised so I
              most likely will use that on my next launch
              instead of Kajabi.

              Very user friendly and it responds like it should.

              Maybe one day Kajabi will be the solution but
              as of right now...

              Well, I'll leave it at that.

              Craig
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              • Profile picture of the author Wuuki
                Yep,

                Just did the same, bought JV Press to check it out.

                That's what I'm saying to my students all the time: Forum marketing still works fine:-)

                Let's keep in touch and all the best,

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              • Profile picture of the author kolaios
                Originally Posted by Craig Beckta View Post

                Yeah,

                I have wasted quite a bit of time with
                Kajabi so far.

                I spoke with Sean about JV Press and
                he has helped me out with that.

                And JV Press works like advertised so I
                most likely will use that on my next launch
                instead of Kajabi.

                Very user friendly and it responds like it should.

                Maybe one day Kajabi will be the solution but
                as of right now...

                Well, I'll leave it at that.

                Craig


                I am looking to get JVpress too but cant figure out where to pay for it. Can you please PM in the right direction?

                Thanks!
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                    • Profile picture of the author salsacrazy
                      Originally Posted by Craig Beckta View Post

                      I just got both.

                      JV Press and Optimize Press.

                      Probably picking up Easy Player 2
                      as well and I'll go with the best solution.

                      Happy with JV Press so far haven't
                      had a chance to try Optimize Press yet.

                      Craig
                      Ha, agreed, that's my plan as well!

                      I already have JV Press and am happy with it, but have pre-purchased EVP2 and will get OP. Only time will tell whom keeps up with support and such, but JV Press and EVP have bee proven over the last little bit!

                      Yes, I have Kajabi too, and still trying to work it up for a test, but it's tricky.
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    • Profile picture of the author DaveManTheCaveMan
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      Ok so support and i have gone back and forth and now my site isn't going to error pages..

      The software is becoming WAY easier to use now that I can play around with it..

      I'll keep you all posted!
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  • I bought Kajabi and was pretty excited about it too.

    I rarely buy any of the guru's stuff but this looked like something that would actually help my business.

    First off after playing with it for a few days I think the bleeding obvious is:

    KAJABI IS NOT READY FOR THE PUBLIC YET

    In theory it looks like a kick ass system and I think it will be, in 12 months, when it's actually ready.

    Kajabi itself is not meant for newbies, there are a few things that tripped me up but I was able to work them out after fiddling around with it but I thought to myself there is no way a newbie would know how to work this system.

    The fact that they could of cut down on the majority of their support requested by simply taking the time to create a fully fledged manual and tutorial series but decided not to staggers me.

    Especially with software!

    I think the thing that most people are really annoyed about is the blatant lying in the marketing. Kajabi simply does not work as advertised.

    It definitely was not ready for public release and I think they are getting exposed by the people who were up and ready to go, like me.

    I actually post-poned a launch so we could do it through the kajabi system but it wasn't even close to being ready to handle a full scale launch.

    I think this was rushed to the market place because the guru's saw dollar signs.

    They had enough social proof with the big names having used it for their launches and they rushed it.

    Andy Jenkins himself says in video boss when talking about product creation, just make it good enough, it doesnt have to be perfect just make it good enough.

    Well kajabi is BARELY good enough.

    Again in theory if it worked like it was advertised and all this "there's a button for that" stuff was actually true it would be the most bad ass system on the planet.

    But the fact is, right now, it's not even close.

    My guess is that it will take a full 12 months to get kajabi working as advertised, thats if it's even still around by then.

    Overall in theory I think it's an awesome system and if it worked as advertised it would be one of the best things for Internet Marketing in a long time.

    The fact is it's not ready yet.

    I'd make sure you know when your refund date expires

    Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin AKA Hubcap
      Originally Posted by Tristan Bull View Post

      I actually post-poned a launch so we could do it through the kajabi system but it wasn't even close to being ready to handle a full scale launch.
      I use to see this a lot in video production. People would postpone important projects in anticipation of a new camera being released.

      What I never could understand is why you'd trust an important project to a new camera when you have a tried and true one you're familiar with?

      To make matters worse some of the cameras were not only new but the systems/workflow they used were new (Panasonic P2) so you end up using a camera and system that is new to everybody depriving you of the sometimes hard earned knowledge of the early adapters.

      I've learned, especially for important projects, to use what I know works. Let the early adapters work out the new technology kinks and I'll come in when it matures a bit.

      Kevin
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      • Profile picture of the author ChristianGa
        You lucky guys.

        You got to see what was "under the hood".

        I only have to read about it here.


        I was in - in about 5 minutes - just enough time to see the intro video and click to a page or two.

        Then I was suddently "thrown out".

        After 6 e-mail konversations with support about sending me my log in informations i seems that they have now given up.

        My last e-mail to "special, secret e-mail" address says it all:

        I was logged out just after being logged in.

        Since then I have had 6 e-mail conversations’ with support, see below my signature.

        But I never got my reset password by e-mail.

        So I can’t log in.

        I am in a situation where I have just given my credit card information to you, then I got logged out and then I can not log in.

        And nobody can help.

        How would you feel in the same situation?

        I have now terminated my account by sending an e-mail to info@kajabi.com, hoping that they at least will recognice the termination.

        A hollow feeling right now.

        A very hollow feeling.

        Christian
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        A danish marketeer trying to learn more. www.iMARKETING.dk

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        • Profile picture of the author DaveManTheCaveMan
          Banned
          UPDATE**

          Kajabi is now working for me ..

          I made a squeeze page which was REALLY simple.

          Now I'm uploading the first mp4 file. (The video format they ask for)

          It's a 2minute video. It's taking over an hour to upload.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaveManTheCaveMan
    Banned
    **Update

    After the video loaded and processed I went to preview it..

    The load time was so long I opened another tab and forgot about it.

    Then a couple minutes later it started playing out of nowhere

    I reloaded the page and the same thing happened.

    I deleted my Kajabi account and am no longer a member.

    I wish every one who uses it more success with it than I had and I plan on checking back with Kajabi in 6months after everything settles.

    Gonna play around with Traindom tonight but will probably end up Frankensteining EVP2, Optimizepress and WP Wishlist.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richnana
    That is why I love this forum. If you have any doubts about a product just head on over to the Warrior forum.. for the most part , you guys tell it like it is. Thanks you save me time and expense.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ishan Soni
    I brought it. This is one of the only big shot launches that actually has good support IMO. I got replies within 24 hours and they were spot on.

    However, it is too confusing and for someone like me who likes to get things done quickly its just not an ideal solution

    Canceled my trial but will probably use it in the future for having coaching programs and stuff in my niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoeMbulu
    I'm hesitant about the one stop shop approach. Kajabi's price is competitive considering what you can do with it; however, what happens if you know longer want to use them? All of a sudden you have a lot of work to try to move your products and services. Who really wants to lose that kind of control. I'd be more interested to pay $1,000 for a standalone license of Kajabi I could install my server, then to risk getting locked into a system where the minute I stop paying, the lights go out.
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    • Profile picture of the author kellijanesmith
      I was having exactly the same concerns jnm007a. Have you looked at FusionHQ yet? They opened up some new spots last week and I've been impressed with it. They are not close enough with their integration with InfusionSoft for me to be able to use it. (They said IS was coming in the next update, but upon further inquiry with support, it is not in the works yet, so they are refunding my license). They are integrated with some of the popular mail/auto responder services already though. The cost was $997 for the license and the only recurring would be minimal if you choose to use their host for your sites and their mail service. All files are yours to host where you like... And you can use your own mail service. I loved that it was drag and drop design too. I'll likely be back when they integrate with InfusionSoft. I am not an affiliate for them, but just thought you might like to hear my thoughts on another option to Kajabi that meets the desires of those of us who'd rather not pay monthly forever. Oh that license was for unlimited sites and users too.

      Originally Posted by jnm007a View Post

      I'm hesitant about the one stop shop approach. Kajabi's price is competitive considering what you can do with it; however, what happens if you know longer want to use them? All of a sudden you have a lot of work to try to move your products and services. Who really wants to lose that kind of control. I'd be more interested to pay $1,000 for a standalone license of Kajabi I could install my server, then to risk getting locked into a system where the minute I stop paying, the lights go out.
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