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I tried webhostforSEO.com after reading about it in the loophole report. Within a few days of using them their server went down for several hours. Even before that, it was incredibly slow when running simple php code and still is. Hostgator I have never had a problem with in 2+ years and they are extremely quick, likewise, all my other hosts I have used have been way more reliable. So far WebHostForSEO has just been a big waste of time/money. Anyone else use them?
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  • Profile picture of the author webhost4seo
    Hey there Mr. Unbiased Ninja, (can't find your real name anywhere on that site)

    The problem with this brand new server was to much Caffeinated Content all running at the same time. Everyone joined in the span of three days and slammed the server a bit. CC is a resource hog we found out. We worked hard to diagnose and fix it.

    Check your spam folder for the updates and responses submit a support ticket if you need to we answer them all.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author spudzz
    Hi Todd,

    I've been an open minded sceptic on the whole C-Class diversity thing from the start, but I've been informed often that you provide a straight service for believers so more power to you. I'm open to being converted!

    You raise an important point on Caffeinated Content as that will also be using cron to post at intervals as well. I know that overly long ping server lists also screw things up (long ping lists in some of my large blogs actually stopped me editing and deleting posts at all!). So, would it be worth posting a 'best' setup to your clients to avoid problems in future or was it really just a case of everyone doing their first CC run at about the same time?
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  • Profile picture of the author Hendry Lee
    If you like Hostgator, seohosting.com is worth a try. SEO Hosting is a Hostgator company.
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    • Profile picture of the author spudzz
      Well done Hendry - that was news to me (but then I live a sheltered life online). Looking at what's available from each company shows sizeable price gaps between comparable options:-

      SEO Platinum II Plan - WebhostforSEO
      - 50 Unique IPs
      - 15GB Disk Space
      - 350GB Bandwidth
      - 300 MySQL Databases
      - Latest CPanel
      - Fantastico Included
      $449.95 per month

      45 C Class IP's - SEOHosting
      - 180 GB of Disk Space
      - 1800 GB of Bandwidth
      - Host UNLIMITED Domains!
      $220 per month

      I'm sure there's a reason for the difference but that looks substantial.
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      • Profile picture of the author apollocreed
        Originally Posted by spudzz View Post

        Well done Hendry - that was news to me (but then I live a sheltered life online). Looking at what's available from each company shows sizeable price gaps between comparable options:-

        SEO Platinum II Plan - WebhostforSEO
        - 50 Unique IPs
        - 15GB Disk Space
        - 350GB Bandwidth
        - 300 MySQL Databases
        - Latest CPanel
        - Fantastico Included
        $449.95 per month

        45 C Class IP's - SEOHosting
        - 180 GB of Disk Space
        - 1800 GB of Bandwidth
        - Host UNLIMITED Domains!
        $220 per month

        I'm sure there's a reason for the difference but that looks substantial.
        I found this response from Todd from another forum:

        "We are most expensive because we are not "just a host" we offer
        training and help to make money online and we offer advanced training
        on search engine optimization strategies."

        (extracted from http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?p=624397"
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  • Todd S. @ Webhostforseo,

    Thanks for your long and considered post. You've saved me from the possibility of hosting with a company that puts someone like you in a customer-facing position.

    Where on earth did you learn your public relations skills?

    BTW, it'd be worthwhile to assume I'm not the only one who'll read your post and make a mental note to stay far away.

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    • Profile picture of the author kevin campbelle
      I remember a few years ago, I think it was in the Keyword Avalanche forum that I had a run in with Todd and it was the same type of attitude displayed back then (that was about 3 or 4 years ago when I think he had recently started up). That caused me to look for another web host.

      I might have thought that over the years things might have improved but judging from the above post I can see that some things never change.

      The OP just simply stated his experience with webhostforSEO.com and it could have been addressed without all this psycho Bounty nonsense. Todd could have addressed this easily and kept another customer. There are a lot of instances where customers purchase products or services and are initially unhappy with it but a good response from the owner can change this and they sometimes end up being some of the best customers that the owners may have, sometimes even becoming friends as well.

      Then maybe some people like how things are going the way it is and business may be so good that they may not care for extra customers.

      Kevin.
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  • Profile picture of the author webhost4seo
    Yes I am looking into making CC better and more stable with this many users using it. The pings can be a problem.

    As far as my post went, Its ok if you disagree with what I said and its ok if I disagree with what you say, it goes both ways. No need for hard feelings.


    All problems are correctable. Posting in wide open forums erroneously is not very cool. That is messing with people's livelyhood.


    Customers are great and I welcome them with open arms. 99.9% of everyone I deal with are great people to work with.

    Kevin, do you mean when someone cried about a $10 price increase and then accused me of foul play for adjusting my own prices?


    No one should be afraid to stand up for themselves regardless of the subject matter.

    I appreciate all of your honest comments.

    Take it easy everyone, Todd S.
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    • Profile picture of the author webhost4seo
      Regardless of what has been said.. Ninja guy knows how to contact me to work this out and I will personally explain in more details if that is what is needed.

      I apologize if I offended anyone and I am more than happy to make amends with anyone.

      Ts
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    • Profile picture of the author kevin campbelle
      Originally Posted by webhost4seo View Post



      Customers are great and I welcome them with open arms. 99.9% of everyone I deal with are great people to work with.

      Kevin, do you mean when someone cried about a $10 price increase and then accused me of foul play for adjusting my own prices?


      No one should be afraid to stand up for themselves regardless of the subject matter.
      BINGO. I'm surprised that you remembered this. I was very new back then and when I initially came across your service it was at one price, and when I went to sign up a few days after for your service with the discount offered on KA forum I noticed that there was an increase in price, even with the discount. I simply asked what had happened as I saw a difference in price.

      You then exploded, saying that I accused you of foul play etc, much worse than what was displayed in your earlier post above but here's the thing, at no time did I accuse you of anything or say anything negative about your company and you just made an assumption of what I said and you had it totally wrong. I of course defended myself as I found you way out of line to accuse me based on your wrong assumption. You blew the whole thing out of proportion and the end result is that I went with another host.

      If you had simply said that the reason was X, Y or Z without going through all that crap about accusations and coming across as some type of e-thug (esp like your first post) etc, I would have used your service and you may have been getting 3 or 4 years of hosting money from me.

      I agree that the customer is not always right but customer service is very important and nobody can fault you for defending your company as you have a right to do this and if I were in your shoes I would do it to. The difference is in how it is done. You may have great emotion tied into your business but it is good to have a separation of the emotion from the business and approach things from a more professional manner.

      The OP stated his experience with your company. He stated that the server went down for hours, was that true or not? He stated that prior to that it was slow, was that true or not? He stated his experience with another web host. He stated out of frustration, that it seemed like he was wasting money. All that was his experience and if it was true you can't argue with that. Now if he is lying and trying to be malicious then I could see where you can get very upset (but still it could be handled professionally.)

      Regardless of what happened above with either me or the OP, what it comes down to is how other people who are reading this thread interpret it. The warrior forum is a great community and people try to help each other as much as possible.

      If you think that the OP did damage to your company's reputation with his post, I feel confident that you did even more damage with your response to his post. Chris and Dave are selling copies of the loophole like crazy and I'm sure that people are going to eventually come across this thread. How it looks to them is all that matters. One thing I can almost be sure of is that many newbies (and others as well) may prefer to look for another host because they like to avoid this kind of confrontation. It happened to me and others and it will happen again. I see new people on this forum being fearful of posting freely because of fear of getting their head bitten off and they are not going to pay money to have their head bitten off.

      I'm not telling you how to run your business or anything like that but in the future it may be wise to give a more professional response to posts made on public forums because you may come out looking worse than some negative post that someone may make. Not everyone will be happy with your service, that is just a part of business but if you keep on giving responses like the above then you may be damaging your own reputation.

      I genuinely hope the best for you.

      NB. I noticed that you edited your original post so that is a step in the right direction.

      Kevin.
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  • Profile picture of the author k60mall
    Way to go Todd I agree with everything you said. You have a right to stand up for your business and lets just say that "The Customer Is NOT Alway Right "

    Keith (Real Name)
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  • Profile picture of the author NinjaReports
    Todd,

    My original post was simply going through my experience with WebHostForSEO - everything said there (including downtime etc.) was 100% true. Nothing in my original post was "erronous" as I was just mentioning the server problems which you admitted to. I hope you realize your original post having a "bounty" on finding me and attacking my own site was WAY out of line and speaks volumes about yourself and how you run your company.

    When I paid for one of your most expensive plans, get constant downtime, then post here asking if others have tried WebHostForSEO and get your post personally attacking me - that really pissed me off.

    Just FYI, all your emails about the titan server going down landed in gmail's spam folder, and when I contacted you (several times) before making this thread I just got a one line response after a few hours waiting saying you were working on the server problems.

    I don't want to take this further since you have edited your post and it seems like you are trying to make things better. Just for your own sake I hope you don't act like this again.
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  • Profile picture of the author webhost4seo
    Alrighty then..

    Peace and prosperity to all...

    Ts
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    • Profile picture of the author kevin campbelle
      Originally Posted by webhost4seo View Post

      Well hello again,

      You know I have lots more to do than this, its getting childish, all the finger pointing and living in the past. However, since Kevin is so emotional I feel I should address him.

      First off why would you think I wouldn't remember? Are you insinuating that I'm stupid now, or that your just smarter and only you could remember something 3 years ago? I would hope not.

      So now I'm sure by that comment you will say I am exploding and attacking you. I don't hang out in forums and bad mouth everything, so excuse me If I dont use the right way to quote someone or BOLD something to make it cooler or whatever.. Its just not my thing. You can read between the lines and misconstrue my words however you wish.

      Now on to your past, it seems you are still hurt over it... I'm 100% certain you will disagree and that's ok, I wont judge you for it and call you names and tell everyone I would never do business with you because I didn't agree with HOW you said something.

      Kevin, I never *exploded* on anyone. I think you started forum whining cause the price went up $10 from the first time you visited my site, the price was ALWAYS going up before I stepped in there. I was too cheap for what I do and all my consultants told me to do this. You don't call my shots and you never will. You were just whining over ten dollars you try to ruin someone, their family and their business. Man, have you no heart? Over $10?

      It was a non-issue to everyone but YOU. $10

      It just so happened at that very time, The owners of KA asked me to do a discount for you all, I did and you got it and then you started whining cause it went up $10. Thats like you getting a 5% coupon code on gas or anything and then you cry cause the price went up before you bought it. Did you still get your discount or not? That is what matters.

      You can whine and complain all you want and try to influence others with your smooth analytical talk and bold lettering. You must be an english major. I don't know, I have a degree in Computer Science and Mathematics, go figure. Oh did I attack you? Sorry for that. I honestly just think you just took my rebuttal wrong. I am working on my fourm communication skills but some of us aren't as good as you are. Big deal, I am for real, I say what I mean and I dont ry to sugar coat it.

      I think I will stop here and say this.



      Ts
      Apparently you have a lot of time on your hands and who is being childish here? You apparently are very emotional and it shows big time in the above quote. You are apparently very hurt by what happened in the past. Who insinuated that you are stupid or I'm smarter?

      Of course I have the right to state that I did not do business with you because of what happened and your attitude. That is my right.

      Yeah I'm sure people reading this would believe that you never *exploded* on anyone huh. Everyone can see how calm and collected you are. One question about a price increase and you accuse someone about forum whining, calling shots for your business etc.

      I would like you to show me where I tried to ruin you, your family and or your business
      . I think you are doing a pretty good job of doing this without any assistance from anyone. All I did was state that I did not do business with you in the past and the reason why. Did I ever say anything negative about webhostforSEO.com ? Did I come here telling people not to do business with you? Did the original poster say anything outright saying not to do business with you. Was my experience and the OP experience not real? Did we come on the Warrior forum and make all this up?

      All I'm interested in is the truth. I gave my truthful experience (where you keep on assuming I'm being malicious) and the OP gave his experience. Regardless of what you think of me or what I think of you or what the OP think of you or what you think of him, the bottom line is we are giving our truthful experience.

      You think this is some fantasy world where nobody will have problems with Todd or webhostforSEO.com ? You are in a service industry, things will always go wrong and customers will always have bad experiences. That is not to say that the whole service is terrible. The thing is how you respond to the bad experiences.

      So for every customer that is using your service and states a negative experience, you are going to put out a bounty if you don't know his name and refund him and discontinue his service? Man you are operating here like some type of e-thug, mafia don or gangster.

      Look how easy it was to edit your original (and first post on this forum) to something that was reasonable and would never have caused all this drama. Could you imagine how this thread would have gone if that was done from the start?

      There are many posts in this review section that has people experiences of products that are both good and bad. Do you think that we should only post the good reviews and not the bad ones? That IMO would be very deceitful and dishonest to the members of the warrior forum. As I said if someone was being genuinely malicious or dishonest that is a different thing but if it is their truthful experience, whether good or bad, other people should know of it and make their own decisions. What the owners of the products or services can do is to take those negative experiences, if they are genuine and try to improve on the product or service.

      You clearly have a lot of issues. You are the one coming across very emotional and childish from your responses, but some people are just the way they are. I don't care what you think of me but I do care about helping other Warriors because this is a good community of people.

      This is my last post about this as well.


      Kevin.
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  • Profile picture of the author NinjaReports
    I really thought from Todd Spears editing his aggressive first post that he realized what he had done was really wrong and he would act normal for once. Guess that was too much to assume...

    I've already saved this thread (BEFORE and after you edited your replys) and will be sure to refer this to Chris and Dave and any of your customers.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    you pay $450 a month for hosting for 50 IPs?

    I just read webhost4seo specs...it's ridiculous.

    There are webhosts which have 50GB storage, 500GB bandwidth with 10 different IPs, costing $39.95/month. (I even got a coupon for 50% off) - i got me three months of reseller hosting w/10 different IPs and i paid $39 FOR THREE MONTHS w/ the 50% off coupon

    Each additional IP is $1.
    Fantastico, Cpanel and unlimited addondomains and subdomains, the works!

    How you can legitimate to charge in a MONTH what others pay in a year is beyond me. Even 50 IPs, even if they would be on total different sub-nets would not legitimate that fantasy price of your hosting.
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  • Profile picture of the author spudzz
    Not the same thing GeorgR. Additional IPs on the same server means little. Additional IPs on geographically spread servers is what makes both SEOHosting and WebHostforSEO different and valuable but I point you to my earlier post on the comparative costs between the two, which is self explanatory.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    >>
    Additional IPs on geographically spread servers
    >>

    thats what i have and was talking about above.
    I can chose locations in several US states, Asia, UK and more. For a fraction of "almost $500/month"....give me break...
    By the way i get quite a bunch of PMs...i could make a killing being an affiliate for that hosting provider.
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  • Profile picture of the author tomfra
    GeorgR: "The promotion code entered has expired". Do you have a new one?

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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    hmm...when i bought mine a few days ago it was still valid. You entered "H9" ???
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  • Profile picture of the author tomfra
    H9 yes. Said it was valid but expired.

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  • Profile picture of the author tomfra
    By the way, hostnine.com has a post at the webhostingtalk.com forums in the hosting offers -> reseller hosting. The "H9" code apparently does not work any longer but they have another one which makes the first month free.

    It does not beat the 50% recurring discount but at least something. The code is "WHT".

    By the way, for $400 a month you could get 10 dedicated servers with 50+ dedicated IPs on 10 different C Classes, or 20 VPSes. That's for the skilled adventurers only though - especially with the dedicated servers...

    If someone has a constant need for different C Class IP hosting (A.B.C.D), why don't you try putting together some kind of a co-op?

    Something like:

    I will host your web on my Hotgator server if you host my web on your Hostnine server etc. For the record, I do not have a webhosting account at Hostgator. I do not use shared/reseller hosting. But you get the idea right?

    Just get the cheapest reseller account somewhere ($20-$30 a month), find 9 more people willing to do the same and using a reseller account elsewhere, agree to host their web if they host yours and you have 10 different C Class (but sometimes also A or B) IPs from completely different locations for $30 a month. In addition to the Hostnine hosting, this could be 20 different C classes etc.

    I am not saying it would be the easiest thing to setup initially, but it surely beats paying $400 a month for the same thing.

    Just my opinion of course.

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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    they probably got so many requests with the current loophole hype..they just killed that coupon. I was lucky, i must have gotten the coupon on the last day when it was running. The coupon was hyped up on their site!
    Now they probably got enough customers and don't need to "lure" them anymore

    That said...great host, nothing to complain! I pay as much/month as otherwise you would already pay for a CPanel license alone..i remember other reseller hosters charge $10/month just for an optional CP...and thats what i pay now in TOTAL/month (after coupon).
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  • Profile picture of the author sunnyman
    Re. Webhost4seo: I signed up with them 2 weeks ago, and there have been some issues already.

    Right now, one site is down - and it is still down 14 hours after I reported the problem to their support. Being the main domain, it happens to affect the function of all other sites on the account also.
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  • Profile picture of the author sunnyman
    UPDATE on Webhost4SEO:

    After about 20 hours, they got the main domain up and running (although slowly)
    I then discovered that most of the other 25 or so sites on the account are not working!
    They produce "NOT FOUND" errors when I try to reach them.

    Conclusion: This is the WORST, MOST INCOMPETENT web host I have EVER dealt with!
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  • Profile picture of the author sunnyman
    OK, my sites now moved to a different web host.

    It has taken about two working days out of my life to get all those WP blogs etc. moved, plus I had to pay the new host - Host Gator - extra to help me with some stuff I couldn't handle myself. They have been very professional, and it is a relief to be set up finally.

    WebhostForSEO does NOT offer any money-back guarantee, which I guess is a wise move - for them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Telemark17
    Guys:
    I think there are a number of folks in this thread who are perhaps somewhat inexperienced with webhosting, site configuration and search engine optimization.

    I have worked with many webhosts over the last 10 years. You get what you pay for (actually, sometimes less). If all you want is cheap web hosting, hostgator or dreamhost provide good quality web hosting for multiple domains (your site will share 1000s of domains on one ip)

    If your budget and experience allows you to go to a dedicated web server or a VPS server, you will get more control. This comes with more responsibility usually. I have had expensive VPS servers where the reliability and speed was terrible.

    If you want web hosting that provides easy configuration of multiple domains on multiple Class-C ip addresses, I have found many available. I have not tried them all and some cost more than others. I can only speak for my experience with webhostforseo. My account was created during the so called trouble period in November 08. It was done very quickly. I have had no issues with the system-I have 20 domains on a 10 ip system, and the response has been excellent. I have all blogs running cafffeinated content and I have no issues, and I had tons of issues with an expensive VPS in the past. There is a certain level of complexity involved if you have a lot of domains-and Todd's service provides some nice enhancements to multiple domain hosting.

    I have found Todd to be both responsive and helpful. He obviously has a great deal of knowledge and experience. I would prefer to learn from someone who actually takes action and makes money-from his own strategies. If you feel the "loophole" is hype and doesn't work-then don't do it. I'm not justifying anyone actions or statements here, but I'd rather use a small business than a huge company that doesn't care about me or my bottom line.

    I really don't want to spend more time discussing this, I'd rather put time into building out my domains and let my bank account speak for itself, but I thought many of the comments in this thread were pretty unbalanced, biased and somewhat incorrect, so I thought I would post my view.

    Have a great day!
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  • Profile picture of the author webhost4seo
    Hi Buddy,

    We got off on the wrong foot for sure, but I never insulted you. We answered your every question.

    Your activation email was sent out 5 minutes after ordering, not sure why it took you a week to inquire about it. Ill add piss-ant to all the other names you called me , LOL

    Nick has a right to his opinion just like the rest of youze. Just so happens he and many others see it entirely different.

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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    i need to add something. I get a pretty good amount of PMs from people asking me about the "multiple IP" hoster i mentioned, i think here in this thread.

    The one i got is "hostnine.com", reseller hosting.

    Their service is PHENOMENAL.

    I run into some minor issues with my sites the last few days, so i opened tickets...and the tickets were answered LITERALLY withing 2 minutes from me sending them off - at awful "off times" like 4am etc.

    The issues i had, one was some database hickup and the other some connectivity issues were solved literally three minutes after my inquiry.

    I have never seen such fast response time, email back "fixed" and things worked faster than i could blink with my eyes.
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    How technically skilled do you need to be for reseller hosting?
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    • Profile picture of the author tomfra
      Originally Posted by eebee View Post

      How technically skilled do you need to be for reseller hosting?
      Not much most of the time. It's not anything like a Virtual Private Server or a dedicated server. It's more like a standard hosting account with the ability to create other hosting accounts.

      That said, there is some learning curve still so be sure to get a webhosting company that can help you at the beginning.

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      • Profile picture of the author dhsemp
        To fellow loophole customers. This is a little bit off topic, but I thought I would throw this out there in case any of you guys are looking for additional SEO hosting options. I've recently signed up for Seohosting.com (Hostgator's sister site) and I've been extremely happy. I originally signed up with webhostingforseo.com... shortly followed by gotwebhost.com... and now I finally found my home with hostgator's seohosting.com :-)

        Anyway... to make a long story short I was able to work out what I feel is a pretty good deal with them. If your looking new or additional seo hosting, you might want to give them a look. I've talked them into extending this discount to loophole customers. Below are the details in case your interested. Cheers and good luck with the loophole! I'm still waiting to get index'd by msn... man they're slow! - Derek

        https ://secure.seohosting.com/billing/order/orderwiz.php

        1. Enter an existing domain

        2. Select a 5 C Class plan

        3. Use the coupon code "35off" to get the order 100% free for the first month

        4. Select Continue

        5. Fill in your order details and be sure to include the phrase "MSNLOOPHOLE" in the comments field.

        6. Send a quick email to chad@hostgator.com with your domain name and tell him that you used the "MSNLOOPHOLE" coupon and you need to be upgraded to the 10 C-Class package for $50 per month.

        I've personally talked with Chad and he said he'll easily get this done within 1-2 business days and set a price override to $50 dollars per month for as long as you keep the account. I've used both webhostingforseo.com and gotwebhost.com, but I've been much happier with hostgator's seohosting.com; if your looking for new or additional SEO Hosting... you may want to consider this deal I've been able to directly work out with the hostgator sales director. btw... the first month is free.
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by eebee View Post

      How technically skilled do you need to be for reseller hosting?
      its like normal hosting, except that you have a main interface where you can create a number of accounts/packages....w/ hostnine even chose IP/locations.

      Say...you make 10 accounts on different IPs...then you can log in to each account and come to the normal CPanel interface for each account. Its like a management console for those different accounts.

      Its pretty easy.

      G.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Snake
    Hosting 24 - it`s my choise.
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  • Profile picture of the author webhost4seo
    @Buddy - Seriously, You issued a ticket about your nameserves and you were answered within an hour. Sorry you didn't get your email, I bet it is in your spam folder. No one blamed you at all about anything, no idea where you get that.

    I was not even the one that answered you first and closed the ticket. Then you opened another one complaining about it taking a week to get them and calling us a few names, not a big deal.
    I just told you that is was sent out automatically 5 minutes after signup and I checked and I got my copy right after you joined, right on time. Some people miss it and they ask for it OR they just login to their account and click to to the big red LINK that says "RESEND ACTIVATION EMAIL". Its there and if you look in the very first email you ever get from me there is a link to VIDEO TUTORIAL TOUR of how your account works. The video is 5 minutes and shows where to you get your activation email if you ever need it. Along with a lot of other things.


    Where this went sideways is when called "bullshit" on the automated signup process that I told you took place. Its not bullshit that is how it works. Unless it bounces then we do not know that you did not get it. I've seen bounces and I take care of it. We are very proactive in everything that we do. I was ESPECIALLY aware of what was going on at every minute during the heavy sign up time in November. I digress.. So at one point you just said you didn't like me and thought I was a low life petty piss ant moron...lol
    Why? over an email you didnt get and we didnt know you didn't get it? Your account never had one single issue. The one problem you submitted we found no problem the domain worked from every corner of the world.

    To say we have no support is just not true. We have hundreds of servers and users to work with everyday, we are there everyday of the year.. Look its Christmas Right now, I have been with friends and family all week long but I still check on everything as many times per day as possible. I think I am addicted to it actually, I have problems- lol

    I'll admit we had some issues with server slowness on 1 or two servers in November, this was due entirely to the Caffeinated Content plugin. . ( I BUILT 5 - $5,000 servers for this project to ensure no server was overworked) That all is resolved now although CC still has its own set of issues not everyone can make it work and support is very lacking with that plugin.

    Oh yeah I also recall you telling me you didn't know how to put content in your root domain and hostgator had it easier. I told you exactly how to do it and then I simply told you that its cpanel over there too and done the same way. cpanel and paths are the same everywhere.

    Then you called me a low-life piss ant and cancelled, lol.

    I can not see how my help offended you. If I could have read your mind and known you didn't get your activation email I would have certainly RE-sent it to you.

    You wanted to know if I'm above board and would send it to you? How may times do I need to say it , We DID send it to out to you , just like thousands of others. 99.99999% get it, those that don't ask for it at my support desk or get it themselves and not ask in the warrior forum where NO one can help you with that.

    I am about to release a set of new videos that will help all customers get more out of their loophole project hosting and train in some new tactics that I'm using that flat out WORK, I get more spiders in one day than I know what do with.. Its too bad you will miss the training, it doesn't matter, who would want to learn from a piss ant. lol. Honestly, you really have any idea about what I do or what I teach and/or who hosts with me and next to me. It doesn't matter to me, I don't advertise or anything. I just like helping people make money and sharing my new ideas and technology. You all don't know but I started seo hosting, I started market stacking , I've been testing blog networks for years. I've built and sold internet companies for 7 figures., but I am a piss ant with no clue of teaching you anything.

    I never wanted to bring any of this up in a wide open forum, but I'll bet if you (or anyone readig this) were called a piss ant and may other things over and over in public for no reason you would want to say something back. I think its really silly and childish but if this is where we are going to do it then it is what it is.

    I bet you are really fun guy to have a beer with..Sounds like you could tell a few very funny stories..

    Merry Christmas!
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  • Profile picture of the author dhsemp
    Me Three! Seriously though... Hostgator isn't always the cheapest, but it has excellent support. Don't forget about the Coupon Code to get your first month free... and also get a good discount on their 10 C-Class plan:

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    https ://secure.seohosting.com/billing/order/orderwiz.php

    1. Enter an existing domain

    2. Select a 5 C Class plan

    3. Use the coupon code "35off" to get the order 100% free for the first month

    4. Select Continue

    5. Fill in your order details and be sure to include the phrase "MSNLOOPHOLE" in the comments field.

    6. Send a quick email to chad@hostgator.com with your domain name and tell him that you used the "MSNLOOPHOLE" coupon and you need to be upgraded to the 10 C-Class package for $50 per month."
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  • Profile picture of the author Kuma
    I also give 5 thumbs up for hostgator- they are a great hosting company !
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    • Profile picture of the author webhost4seo
      Buddy,

      I am really happy to see you got at least one email from us. At least we know yahoo isn't blocking us. Everything was sent to you and we all got our copies of it. HUNDREDS would disagree with you. We helped you on every ticket. We use the same tech as Hostgator.

      I am above aboard and transparent in every way. This thread started because Ninja didn't check his spam box before making his derogatory remarks.

      Is this the "warrior" way, shoot first ask questions later? And then when someone fights back you spam the blogs with defamation of character and slander?

      I feel obligated to fill you in on the other email that you didn't get. We sent it. You can call me a liar, it doesn't matter.

      Hello Buddy,

      Your account at WebHost 4 Seo has been setup successfully.

      Watch this VIDEO FIRST. It will tell you all about our site and how it works.

      <-- Link to video -->

      ......

      7:12 into this video I show you how to find the button that you couldn't find. This was made over a year ago.

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      This "tour" link is also given out again in the activation email.

      As far as you not "seeing" the emails from us, it happens, it happens to all of us, it happens to me, and when it does I don't just go bezerk, I inquire about it right away. You waited 10 days to inquire about it and you got your answer right away, then you start going off on everyone, calling them "you people" and saying bullshit and how you didn't like me... All because you didn't get/see/find an email and didn't issue a ticket?

      Same scenario just happened, A new user signed up, bought service, and then didn't see his email although it was sent I checked logs. He inquired about it within a few hours and I helped him out within 5 minutes. So does that make me above board in your eyes now? Remember, you were helped right away too when you asked for help.

      Take it for what it is.

      As for sunnyman, He broke his sites via his .htaccess file and we fixed it for him free of charge. It happens, people break it all the time when trying to set permalinks and doing other things with that file. Sunnyman would have you believe that we broke his sites. Right.. The .htaccess file is very tricky and it can take down everything in that cpanel. Its hard to spot but ever since sunnyman did it, we know right where to look now. Another user just did it again the other day, he freaked out for a minute and then we fixed it, he was cool. He didn't react like you guys and run over here and start trying to ruin someone's business and reputation. He has more respect for life than that.

      You three warriors can call me names and say whatever you want, spam whatever pligg sites and blogs saying how I ripped you off and how I scammed you. That's fine, I will rebute everyone of them. I notice that after I respond you don't have a come back. why is that? You spammed so many you don't where to look? Keep it up, the more evidence I have the better. Your avatar will not protect you in this one.

      It actions like this that give the warrior forum a bad name, I read and hear comments about how nasty some of you are. I have experienced it first hand now. That's too bad because, there are many people with vast amounts of knowledge who stay away from here because of this.

      Enough said. Ill be back next month if i need to. Meanwhile, keep spamming it's actually given me a huge bump in optins and customers. Your posts are laughable.

      If some of you think less of me for responding to these people then so be it. I have a right to state my case, I am not going to let a few you guys just spread lies about me or my service. Someone will make an example out of them someday soon, and remember karma always catches up to you, What comes around goes around... Cheers Buddy/Ninja/Sunny!

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  • Profile picture of the author tomfra
    While I do not want to get involved in this particular case as I simply do not have enough information to make any unbiased comment, I'd like to mention one thing that may or may not apply in this situation...

    Recently, I have begun to experience serious email delivery problems to yahoo.com as well as yahoo.co.uk email accounts. Almost every single email sent by my server to any Yahoo account is "deferred". In normal situation "deferred" means it will be eventually delivered later. Unfortunately, not in my experience with Yahoo - it will simply happen again.

    I have been trying to solve the problem with Yahoo but that will take some time. I have no problem with the other providers, and my server IP is not on a spam list of any kind, but the deliverability rate to Yahoo accounts is extremely bad right now. It's so bad I now ask my customers not to use it...

    webhost4seo: I suggest you search for the BuddyT's Yahoo email address in your server email logs (exim_mainlog on cPanel servers) and if there is this line below the record for the email sent to the Yahoo email:

    SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: host f.mx.mail.yahoo.com [XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX]: 421 Message temporarily deferred - 4.16.51. Please refer to 421 Message temporarily deferred - [numeric code]

    ...then you've just found the problem. The "XXXs" is naturally the IP address of the yahoo mail server. In my experience, it happens with all of them. The content of the email is not important either. Although the email server should attempt to deliver the email later, it usually simply fails again.

    What's really annoying with this type of problem is that the recipient does not even know you sent the email - it's not in any spam box, it's rejected before it could even fall into one, and the sender does not get any bounce back message.

    The only way to find out is to search the email logs on the sender's email server.

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    • Profile picture of the author webhost4seo
      Thomas,

      I agree 100% that yahoo could have deferred the connection. I do have the ability to dis-allow certain emails from signup. I may just do that and keep yahoo emails problems out, thanks for the tip

      However, the 1 email he got was in the middle not the first nor the last. I think he never even got the first welcome email when creating an account. That is auto response too. Anyone can sign up and verify that. If they all came in succession then it makes no sense the middle one made it. The last one is the activation email, which is the sticking point here.

      All emails in the signup process are 100% automated, a cron job runs every 5 minutes to process all orders in the job queue. I get copied on everything and I look at them. I got them all for Buddy, so I know the system fired them off. I even recall the name when Buddy joined. His last name reminded me of a friend in college, not too many people with that last name. I recall distinctly the minute he joined up. I even saw his activation email come to me.

      I look at every single event and sign up so I know what's happening so that I can provide good customer service. Now I look at them twice, and check to see if root domains are getting nameservers changed to us.

      Buddy, when I said you missed it that was in response to you saying I never sent it. What am I a dope to run a service with no automated emails? It was just a statement to your BULLSHIT call. I just said it was sent and you missed it. I assumed it was in your spam folder, and by the way my yahoo account gets about a billion spams a day in the spam folder.

      Please Check awbs dot com, They can tell you that the system is automated. That's what I use. I would have never thought you could have been so easily offended by your comments. Really, I never meant to insult you in any way. It was just how our conversation went. Your first ticket ended with "whats wrong with you people" ... lol

      I did my customer service job and explained that to you in the support desk, I was real nice about it too, even after the name calling started. You asked for your activation, and you got it right away (from Ryan). I came in later after I had I read your remarks to my staff. All I am trying to point out is that Buddy keeps saying it wasn't sent out at all, like its done manually and we forgot to do it. Since you were so mad about it, I simply said, it was sent, I got my copy.. here it is now and if you need it again its in your account, click the button to get a copy.. and you said "BULLSHIT, YOU NEVER SENT IT"

      huh? Man I'm not lying to you, but then you kept on insulting us and I just asked that you show us some respect as we try to work through your issues. You told me not to lecture you. Well that wasn't a lecture, it was a request. Then you come over and start dogging me out in this thread and others. Why? Because you think I'm lying about an automated sign up system.. bummer dude, real bummer.

      AGAIN, had I KNOWN you didn't get it I would have contacted you. I do see bounces on signups, I ACTUALLY look at undeliverable mail. On occasion (like twice in 3 years), I see a bounced activation email, right away I find a way to contact that person and get him his needed info. I do understand this.

      I AM SORRY that it didn't work out, really I am. I don't like to see a pissed off customer. I do everything I can to make it right, why do you think I am here. However, some like to try and destroy someone because it didn't go their way. Bummer too. I'm just glad my mother raised me to be better than that. The real funny thing is that there is no such thing as bad press. Since this begun, traffic has spiked.

      Most people just tell me to ignore every negative comment in this forum, but I have nothing to hide from anyone, if there is an issue I address it.

      Even when servers BLOW up, I am there sending alerts talking to customers letting them know what happened and what we can do to remedy the situation. Just like I did when Ninja started this thread, now he spams pligg sites saying I scammed him, ripped him off, denied him a refund, my support sucks, my servers sucked, everything. Well you know what, everything is just fine...

      Ninja wont even say what his name is to me so I can I look at his accusations. Why does he want to remain anonymous in this fourm? He has a gripe but not a name, hrmmm. He knows what happened on that day but he continues to spam pligg sites. Ahh I digress, this was about an email..

      In the end, I started this service for marketers, and I will always do this and support them in every way to help them make more money and get more traffic. I do it too. I test new ideas all the time and try new software and scripts and when I find something that works. I let my users know about it. That's how this all started, I found something that worked, saved loads of money and made loads of money. I never advertised it, it was under the radar, then recently I got copied.

      I talk to my customer's every single day about how to increase their traffic and bottom line.

      The only thing I can tell all of you is that I am not going anywhere, no matter how many warriors call me a pissant or spam pligg sites, I am guaranteed to be here tomorrow and making a living online. I've been here since 1995 and I'm not going anywhere but up

      Peace and Prosperity to all...

      ~Ts

      Ps. These came to me over the last two days...

      Up and running.
      I appreciate your fast support.
      Craig



      The problems have been resolved
      thanks for checking back
      Don


      Hi, Todd,
      You are just wonderfully efficient, and I am totally in awe !
      I'm your newest customer, just time for me to get back on your website.
      Thank you a million times for your speed (My second name is Speedy too :-)
      Emailing from France, the time zoning makes it sometimes difficult for me to correspond swiftly. It's 6pm right now, where I am !
      Thanks for reminding me of the discount, I would have bought without it anyway, but it's always good to get an incentive.
      I'm soooo happy !
      Sophie

      Todd,

      Thanks... glad you can figure that stuff out.

      Dave
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  • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
    I have learned quite a lot from this thread to say the least.

    Over the years my main gripes with any web hosting company has always been with customer service. I have never complained just because things crashed or sites went down. I only complained if they didn't fix things promptly and treat me with courtesy at the very least.

    Most of my sites are in the UK and the handful of good companies I now deal with are worth their weight in gold. Fundamentally, they offer great customer service.

    I don't use hostgator much, but I have also found them helpful when needed. I will also check out Seohosting.com so thanks dhsemp.

    It is always worth seeking reviews and opinions of others before signing up for anything. That way you can avoid the troublesome hosts out there.
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    • Profile picture of the author onpoint
      Todd has better deals then hostgator when including dedicated ip's etc. CS is great too, plus he has a very cool auto biz builder for mini sites. I found Todd from some gurus, not wimpy CS reviewers with thin skin.
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