Easy Video Player 2.0

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Now, before I start, I just want to say that I already know that
this is a awesome product.

there is no question about that.

I would like something to be a little more clear though...

When I clicked to purchase it yesterday it said it was 97 bucks.

And thats cool....

today if you click to purchase and get redirected to the clickbank order form,
it says its 127 dollars... Clearly its converting for Josh, or he wouldn't
charge more for it....

Now, what I don't get, and maybe someone here who understands this
can help me out, the order page says this:

TODAY'S PAYMENT: $127.00
Includes the first 30 days of service.

So.... what!? Does this mean we have to pay 127 every month
to get access to the front end product?

The whole ''Includes the first 30 days of service.'' thing is really
throwing me off here.

Anybody?
#easy #player #video
  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    Its for the monthly IM mastermind group, you can cancel it
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  • Profile picture of the author crudenbay
    Originally Posted by MJGrae View Post

    Now, before I start, I just want to say that I already know that
    this is a awesome product.

    there is no question about that.

    I would like something to be a little more clear though...

    When I clicked to purchase it yesterday it said it was 97 bucks.

    And thats cool....

    today if you click to purchase and get redirected to the clickbank order form,
    it says its 127 dollars... Clearly its converting for Josh, or he wouldn't
    charge more for it....

    Now, what I don't get, and maybe someone here who understands this
    can help me out, the order page says this:

    TODAY'S PAYMENT: $127.00
    Includes the first 30 days of service.

    So.... what!? Does this mean we have to pay 127 every month
    to get access to the front end product?

    The whole ''Includes the first 30 days of service.'' thing is really
    throwing me off here.

    Anybody?
    I saw the same thing - the $97. The membership for the first month is "free" and is $37/mo.

    It doesn't say that you can cancel and get a refund o that first month, so that still leaves the question of what happened to the $97 price point.
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  • Profile picture of the author deu12000
    I got in at the early bird price and there were all kinds of server problems. I didn't see any upsells because I kept getting error pages and only went as far as paying and getting hit with another error page. I got my login details and already installed the script. I did sign up for the 30 day trial of the mastermind group (which I don't have access to). My question is were there any upsells, if there were what were they and what were the prices? For example I see mention of a license where you can get rid of branding. Also is there a URL for the mastermind group to login? I login to my regular account and it doesn't give me a link to the mastermind group. The only reason I'm asking here is because the help desk is swamped. I submitted a ticket yesterday a few hours after buying and still haven't gotten a response.

    So far the actual Easy Video Player script is working great. It's actually much easier to use than I expected.
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  • Profile picture of the author LudwigReithofer
    No where in the pitch did it say anything about the player being watermarked
    and if you want to remove it, you need to pay for that. That's just plain ludicrous.
    And the wording is great... It's positioned not as "Upgrade to remove watermark"
    but something totally different in a follow-up email.

    Easy Video Play is similar FlowPlayer

    Look at the FlowPlayer Website.

    The Watermark Free Version = Business Version

    The free version of the player comes with a Flowplayer trademark.
    It's nothing that will distract your audience,
    but if you want to use your own logo, you need a commercial license.
    That's it -- the business model of Flowplayer.
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    • Ohh thats sneaky i was considering getting easy video player.

      Does anyone know how much they charge for the removal of the easy video player water mark?
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    Wouldn't be nice to get a complete product, good service, respect in the buying process instead of more aggravation and less quality and everything needs upgraded.. God what a concept.Value and a good buying experience.....novel idea....they want a further $77 for the luxury of not advertising their product...not to mention the first product was free lifetime updates so he renamed the product and is charging for upgrades to previous customers.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Piteo
    The way I understand it is that the commercial license is not only to remove the water mark, but also to grant you license to use EVP for your clients videos.

    Without this extended license you can only use EVP for your own videos.
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    • Profile picture of the author Justin Wheeler
      Originally Posted by John Piteo View Post

      The way I understand it is that the commercial license is not only to remove the water mark, but also to grant you license to use EVP for your clients videos.

      Without this extended license you can only use EVP for your own videos.
      I believe that is absolutely right.

      The extended licence is an extra $77 and personally I think it is worth it. Someone said that pretty much everything EVP can do Flowplayer can do too, which may well be true. Trouble is I have little to no understanding of how to get it working. I took a look at the flowplayer website before deciding to promote EVP again and for me it was gobbledegook (almost).

      I think there are probably other solutions to EVP but I am yet to find anything that does as good a job for the price. I agree about the forced continuity aspect. Funnily enough I remember reading in a Ryan Deiss split testing report that an optional but opted in continuity program worked better than a forced one. Wonder if EVP tested that as well. Incidentally has anyone notoiced the split tests on the EVP sales page vidoes?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      Originally Posted by John Piteo View Post

      The way I understand it is that the commercial license is not only to remove the water mark, but also to grant you license to use EVP for your clients videos.

      Without this extended license you can only use EVP for your own videos.
      Yes but the only way to remove the watermark from my videos is to get the commercial version. I just use EVP for my business. I don't have clients so I didn't get the commercial version only to find out that the regular version brands my videos with their logo.

      I paid for EVP 1 in January, no problem. Love it. I paid $77 for the upgrade on Tuesday. No problem, love it. But now they want me to pay another $77 just to remove the watermark on a PAID software. That's ridiculous. I like Josh and EVP but he's made a disservice to his customers by watermarking our videos.

      So now when I watermark my videos with my logo I'll have 2 damn watermarks on my video.

      But it gets worse. The watermark is a live link to the Easy Video Player website so now my videos have link leak.

      And what really has me pissed off is that since I upgraded from EVP 1 to EVP 2 (paying $77) ALL MY VIDEOS THAT I USED EVP1 ON, NOW HAVE THE EVP WATERMARK. It went back and retro-added their watermark. I have video courses etc. now all watermarked with their damn logo.

      Now I either have to pay more money to remove it or see if I can un-upgrade but that will probably be a pain in the ass so I'm stuck.

      I know I'll make the money back easily but it's the principle of branding my video products with their watermark for a paid software and not making that crystal clear in the sales material.
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  • Profile picture of the author aritrim
    Flowplayer and JW player both being free for non-commercial websites, come with an watermark. The business version with the watermark removed costs. for JW player, it is infact $89/ domain for the commercial license (WOW!).

    Anyways, if EVP offers for unlimited domains, I believe it is worth it. At the base it is just flowplayer with lots of flowplayer pluggings, programmed via a web based script. But considering you have to figure out many thing when using flowplayer and specially with the pluggings, EVP can be a real time saver.

    But yes, the sales pitch should mention everything and should not confuse people. Saves the hassle of refunds.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Rhome
    Originally Posted by Craig Desorcy View Post

    So let's get this straight, I buy this soft, I'm forced to have all my videos
    watermarked with their logo. Someone clicks on the logo and they buy but
    I do not get credit for the order? This is not only a leak but a blatant
    high-jack.
    WOW!

    I bought EVP 2.0 and yep, I was quite surprised too with the undisclosed (in the sales page) branding and continuity (I see the MikeF influence here, and man I dislike some of his sales tactic, as successful as he might be)

    Yet this live watermark non-affiliate link goes beyond insulting. I mean at least make the option obvious at the buy now page or something.

    He could have charged $197 or $247 and people would have been happy customers. Now he's got pissed ones. I don't know if I'll cancel now honestly. These sales tactics suck. The product is very good, but come one. What's up with all these scumbags tactics lately? Is is really worth it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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    Originally Posted by Craig Desorcy View Post

    I removed the watermark and you can still click on the area that goes to
    their site. I clicked through and it's not my affiliate link.

    So let's get this straight, I buy this soft, I'm forced to have all my videos
    watermarked with their logo. Someone clicks on the logo and they buy but
    I do not get credit for the order? This is not only a leak but a blatant
    high-jack.

    This was the only shinny object I bought this year and only because of
    all the things it can do.

    I have a solution to stream video securely from s3 and will keep it.

    I was already to create more documents on EVP than EVP has to
    promote. Not happening now.

    Just a quick note on "I like Josh."

    This is business, period.

    Anyone wanting in on this soft should consider the leaks and the
    blatant hijacking of your trusted and hard earned traffic.

    What a waste of time. I should bill EVP for it.

    Craig

    P.S. viddymatic.com looks good. Not an affiliate.

    Time for me to get a refund. It didn't say anywhere there would be a link to his site with watermarks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Justin Wheeler
      Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

      Time for me to get a refund. It didn't say anywhere there would be a link to his site with watermarks.
      It might be worth checking with support about this. Perhaps it is a bug?

      It's kind of a dilemma really, the software itself is really good and with the upgrade option it is definitely worth it. I don't think I would object to a watermark if it was embedded with my affiliate link and I suspect this is what it is meant to be.

      Having tried to do videos using flowplayer and assorted plugins it is way above my technical paygrade and I am yet to find an alternative that does everything EVP 2 does for anywhere near the same kind of price, hence my being happy to promote it. My review page does point out these shortcomings I hasten to add!
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Originally Posted by justinw View Post

        It might be worth checking with support about this. Perhaps it is a bug?

        It's kind of a dilemma really, the software itself is really good and with the upgrade option it is definitely worth it. I don't think I would object to a watermark if it was embedded with my affiliate link and I suspect this is what it is meant to be.

        Having tried to do videos using flowplayer and assorted plugins it is way above my technical paygrade and I am yet to find an alternative that does everything EVP 2 does for anywhere near the same kind of price, hence my being happy to promote it. My review page does point out these shortcomings I hasten to add!

        Already requested a refund. This just doesn't happen by accident.

        I am doing fine with my current setup and don't need all this stuff. It isn't about price, it is about being upfront with your customers with disclaimers.
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        • Profile picture of the author Josh Bartlett
          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

          Already requested a refund. This just doesn't happen by accident.

          I am doing fine with my current setup and don't need all this stuff. It isn't about price, it is about being upfront with your customers with disclaimers.
          Thomas, actually, it does, when you develop software for 10's of thousands of people with thousands of features you do get bugs, the funny thing is, if this is actually happening to you, its going to be a flowplayer bug rather than ours, I could probably prove it too if I had to, but you have already made your mind up.. I did email you directly to ask if you wanted us to test it out and fix it for you, its funny how you never contacted our support desk and told us so we could have the chance to fix it... As I said, minds made up already, I am guilty until proven innocent.
          Ill be happy to process your refund for you, either way, if a bug slipped through we will fix it, and our real customers will know exactly where we stand with stuff like that..
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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            Originally Posted by Josh Bartlett View Post

            Thomas, actually, it does, when you develop software for 10's of thousands of people with thousands of features you do get bugs, the funny thing is, if this is actually happening to you, its going to be a flowplayer bug rather than ours, I could probably prove it too if I had to, but you have already made your mind up.. I did email you directly to ask if you wanted us to test it out and fix it for you, its funny how you never contacted our support desk and told us so we could have the chance to fix it... As I said, minds made up already, I am guilty until proven innocent.
            Ill be happy to process your refund for you, either way, if a bug slipped through we will fix it, and our real customers will know exactly where we stand with stuff like that..
            Josh, I am a software developer and worked on multi million dollar projects for fortune 500 companies and government agencies.

            Leaving a clickable link from your player to your site isn't a bug. You already stated this was by design.

            I could care less if your player shows your logo. I just don't want the person to click off my site to purchase your product. I and my affiliates are not paying good money to get people onto my site just to have people click on your link.
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            • Profile picture of the author Justin Wheeler
              Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

              Josh, I am a software developer and worked on multi million dollar projects for fortune 500 companies and government agencies.

              Leaving a clickable link from your player to your site isn't a bug. You already stated this was by design.

              I could care less if your player shows your logo. I just don't want the person to click off my site to purchase your product. I and my affiliates are not paying good money to get people onto my site just to have people click on your link.
              I don't see why this is such a big deal. The watermark is there like it was on the FlowPlayer before. As soon as the video starts playing it goes. If people click on the link then you can earn commission.

              If you dont want it there then you can just buy the commercial version which is unbranded, for a very low price compared to the flowplayer licencing fees. I personally don't understand why it is a big deal.

              Perhaps it wasnt as clear as it could have been, but I don't think it is nearly as big a deal as you are making it out to be. To be honest I didn't even notice the watermark until I read about it in this thread.
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              • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                Originally Posted by justinw View Post

                I don't see why this is such a big deal. The watermark is there like it was on the FlowPlayer before. As soon as the video starts playing it goes. If people click on the link then you can earn commission.

                If you dont want it there then you can just buy the commercial version which is unbranded, for a very low price compared to the flowplayer licencing fees. I personally don't understand why it is a big deal.

                Perhaps it wasnt as clear as it could have been, but I don't think it is nearly as big a deal as you are making it out to be. To be honest I didn't even notice the watermark until I read about it in this thread.
                Why the heck would I purchase traffic so people can click on his link? You don't see a big deal?

                Don't you even see that my affiliates only get paid when their traffic purchased my products? Now why would they send traffic knowing the people may click on Josh's link and not get paid?

                I am really dumbfounded that you don't see "what the big deal" is.

                He knew if he made a disclaimer he would lose sales because most people won't allow their traffic to be taken away with a link like that. At least people doing any type of sales.

                Watermark on the video player isn't a big deal to me. The live link to his site is a show stopper.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
            Hey Josh,

            I really don't mind paying AGAIN, but when I buy a product and it says FREE LIFETIME UPDATES...That sets expectations that anything that comes out with that products name...I'm going to get it FREE.

            Not bashing, or trashing here. I'm just letting you know what my expectations are when I purchase something with the verbage you used in the original launch (FREE LIFETIME UPDATES) and I'm going to imagine that many people had/have the same expectations.
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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              Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

              Hey Josh,

              I really don't mind paying AGAIN, but when I buy a product and it says FREE LIFETIME UPDATES...That sets expectations that anything that comes out with that products name...I'm going to get it FREE.

              Not bashing, or trashing here. I'm just letting you know what my expectations are when I purchase something with the verbage you used in the original launch (FREE LIFETIME UPDATES) and I'm going to imagine that many people had/have the same expectations.

              To be perfectly honest, that doesn't mean you should get the commercial version for free. That is a completely different version to what others have paid.
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            • Profile picture of the author Craig Beckta
              How do I get rid of the water mark and link?

              I assume I have to upgrade to the commercial license
              does that also remove the link as well?

              I really don't want to use this during my pre-launch
              or in my members area if they can just click on a link
              and be gone.

              Do I have to make a support request to remove the link?

              Also I have put in a number of requests to upgrade
              to a commercial license but no link yet.

              I must have missed the up sell.

              Any help would be appreciated.

              Thanks,

              Craig
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              • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                Originally Posted by Craig Beckta View Post

                How do I get rid of the water mark and link?

                I assume I have to upgrade to the commercial license
                does that also remove the link as well?

                I really don't want to use this during my pre-launch
                or in my members area if they can just click on a link
                and be gone.

                Do I have to make a support request to remove the link?


                Any help would be appreciated.

                Thanks,

                Craig
                Why Craig? According to others it isn't a big deal.
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                • Profile picture of the author Craig Beckta
                  I have to agree, I missed the up sell and I had no
                  idea about the water mark or the live link to Easy
                  Video Player 2.

                  I already have EZS3 and they don't include a water
                  mark or link.

                  Does the commercial license remove both the water
                  mark and live link?

                  Does anyone know?

                  It's pretty cool but not if I can't remove the link
                  or water mark.

                  Someone throw me a bone over here... LOL

                  Craig
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                  • Profile picture of the author Justin Wheeler
                    Originally Posted by Craig Beckta View Post

                    I have to agree, I missed the up sell and I had no
                    idea about the water mark or the live link to Easy
                    Video Player 2.

                    I already have EZS3 and they don't include a water
                    mark or link.

                    Does the commercial license remove both the water
                    mark and live link?

                    Does anyone know?

                    It's pretty cool but not if I can't remove the link
                    or water mark.

                    Someone throw me a bone over here... LOL

                    Craig
                    Yes it does. The commercial licence includes no branding.

                    I am trying to get hold of a link for you to upgrade to the commercial version without having to wait for the support desk to get back to you.
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    • If the watermark is removed with the paid upgrade i assume there is no link or leak right?
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    • Profile picture of the author Marty S
      Reluctantly, I did pay for the commercial version.

      I say reluctantly because the product is GOOD, no doubt, however this less-than-upfront strategy, combined with negative launch tactics discussed in this thread http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...portunity.html lead me to feel that I want nothing further to do with Josh and his products, nor do I want to send viewers of my videos to EVP (esp without affiliate credit) and more importantly without having the confidence of sending them there expecting a good experience.

      I remember buying EVP claiming free lifetime upgrades :confused:, and then during the purchase I was spun into a monthly subscription to a largely useless IM mastermind club (which I cancelled immediately). I mean it really did not even make sense, as the material in there had NOTHING to do with using the EVP to make money. No, it was just weak/old IM stuff you could find for free at EzineArticles if you took the time to search. One too many under-handed tactics for me.

      A series of unfortunate events, IMHO, and forever tainting.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      Same here. I just requested a refund and I'm stopping my promotion of EVP.

      I saved a copy of EVP 1 files before I upgraded to EVP 2 so I hope I can "un-upgrade" to remove the watermark with the hijacked link off of my current videos.

      Too bad such a terrific software ruined by shoddy marketing strategy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Bartlett
    Everyone,

    I am going to set the record straight here once, and then I am going to move on.

    NEARLY EVERY COMMENT ON THIS THREAD IS SIMPLY WRONG, MISGUIDED AND ILL INFORMED..

    It is such a shame, I see and personally know of people who do huge launches, leave their customers in the dirt and move on, not caring about the success they achieve or the product the deliver, and people believe the hype and count them as good guys.. I have broken friendships with marketers based on hearing them say, they actually factor in 50% refund rate in the way they run their launches, they dont care if they give NO customer service, 50% will keep it anyway and they make cash..

    In my book, those people are the bad guys, I hate it, I have no time for it and its almost made me leave this industry.

    the sad thing is, there is SO much hate and aggression in this industry (rightfully so, thats the sadder part) that people take it out on each other day in day out.. They assume everyone is simply out for their money and its a sad sad day for internet marketing and the Warrior Forum lately.. The people who do these things do ruin our industry, but the people who become hateful at the drop of the hat because of them make it all the more hard.

    This thread is so misguided and inaccurate I nearly didnt bother to leave a comment.. But I genuinely care, I put my heart into what I do. If you look at my last WSO for EVP (original WSO) you will see so many people saying its the best product they have ever bought, or I provided the best service they ever had etc. I prove thats the kind of person I am every day.

    Now for the FACTS! (Rather than total rubbish which is not connected with reality and are a bunch of peoples angry comments about facts that are not true)

    1) EVP1 actually had a BIGGER watermark than EVP2, people are under the impression we added one, we actually just changed it and made it smaller for EVP2. Quite an important point there. (and apparently, getting a smaller watermark for you guys is us being evil.. hmm)

    2) The EVP watermark DOES, let me repeat that DOES (!) take your affiliate id (in the settings area) earning you money. We set it up so affiliates can use it. Again, remember, a watermark as always been on the player, this one is just SMALLER.

    3) There is NOT a watermark over your videos.
    There seems to be a LOT of confusion from people who have not actually used the product....!
    Let me confirm. I simply wouldnt do that, its a shame people jump to conclusions on this forum because they believe marketers are all out to just make a fast buck, let me remind you, you dont know me, just because I sell a successful product doesnt make me evil, any of my customers know how much I care about them and my product. I wouldnt do this and ruin peoples videos to put EVP's name there. So, AGAIN, it is NOT over your videos.
    The watermark says easyvideoplayer for a MAXIMUM of 2 to 3 seconds while the video loads at the bottom left hand corner. (JUST like the first one did, only it had a larger flowplayer logo)
    This is halved what used to be there when we first launched EVP1. We have made it LESS obtrusive for you guys. It may be worth checking that before you start criticising!

    4) We represent insane value for money, look at the ACTUAL facts.

    The fact is, EVERY video player shows a watermark of some kind.

    Lets look at Flowplayer as a comparison (Which EVP's actual player mechanism is based)

    Flowplayer offer you an unlimited license to use the player on unlimited sites for $1,450!

    We offer you the ability to use the same player core (its the core of our actual player mechanism) AND ALL of the other features in EVP (too many to even count) for $77 upsell. ($204 in total)
    Thats right, you get the unlimited license that Flowplayer sell for $1,450 for $204, along with the WHOLE of EVP2. Still think I am trying to rip you off?

    That actually represents the best value for money you can buy, for any video player online anywhere. (and our customers know it)

    So, if you think thats "shoddy marketing stragegy" giving you a smaller less obtrusive watermark and the cheapest most affordable player that is completely unbranded on the market (before us, you would of had to pay $1,450, now, thanks to us its a $77 upsell) then so be it, you are entitled to your opinion.

    As I said, I wont be fuelling this thread which is actually totally inaccurate to the facts with further comments. The facts are above, As you can see, its not exactly how its been painted out to be by people on here jumping to conclusions without actually trying the product and measuring it up.

    Look at the hateful comments from a number of people saying *gasp* *Shock* *horror* "wow, he is evil for not letting us use our affiliate links and trying to leak people" -
    ACTUAL FACT? We do let you do it, you guys who commented just decided to comment with no idea of what you were talking about. Not a great move.

    And yes, if you want to keep EVP1 which also still has a watermark please do so, nobody is forcing you to benefit from the new and improved EVP2. Infact, we are still producing free upgrades for you guys because we like to be cool to you.

    Who else does this sort of thing? Creates an entire new product and still rolls out new free upgrades for their older one just to be cool to their customers?

    Probably more evidence of our "shoddy marketing strategy" I suppose Alan?

    Anyway, everyone have a great day, I will leave this thread alone now and focus on the thousands of very happy customers we have who are loving EVP2.

    Everyone who didn't, get your facts right. It is people like you who have meant that I almost certainly wont bother making EVP3.. Why? I don't have the passion to innovate and create amazing cool new features for people who love to hate without even getting the facts right..


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      • Profile picture of the author Justin Wheeler
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        The only misguided person is you Josh. Why are not no upfront about this on your sales page?

        I do just fine without your "innovative" technology. I don't need it, especially when your product will cost me sales. Yeah, I don't really like the idea of people being able to click off my site to purchase your product.

        I can do a lot of the same stuff with what I already have. You're not doing me any favors with your "innovative" technology.


        I requested a refund and asked Clickbank for a refund.

        Why don't you put a disclaimer on your sales page and stop wasting our time?
        What isnt he upfront about? The sales page stated the price and that there was a continuity program attached and there was an option to buy the non watermarked version.

        Am impressed you do the same stuff with what you already have. I couldnt even begin to do something as complex as EVP, so I take my hat off to you.

        Interesting the pricing of the flowplayer licence. Didn't know it was quite so expensive, makes EVP even better value if you ask me.
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          Originally Posted by justinw View Post

          What isnt he upfront about? The sales page stated the price and that there was a continuity program attached and there was an option to buy the non watermarked version.

          Am impressed you do the same stuff with what you already have. I couldnt even begin to do something as complex as EVP, so I take my hat off to you.

          Interesting the pricing of the flowplayer licence. Didn't know it was quite so expensive, makes EVP even better value if you ask me.
          Where does it state that a live link to his site will be included?
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            Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

            Where does it state that a live link to his site will be included?
            I dont think it does, but nor does it say that a live link will be included on flowplayer.... or at least not one that I ever saw when investigating it as an option.
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              Originally Posted by justinw View Post

              I dont think it does, but nor does it say that a live link will be included on flowplayer.... or at least not one that I ever saw when investigating it as an option.
              I didn't pay over $100 to flowplayer so I could send them traffic.
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              • Profile picture of the author Justin Wheeler
                Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                I didn't pay over $100 to flowplayer so I could send them traffic.
                I have used EVP since it first was sold on here as a WSO back at the end of last year. It always had a flowplayer watermark and I have never after almost a year of being an affiliate for EVP heard any complaints about that Watermark.

                I can understand your comments about paying for traffic and there being a link to another site on the video and I presume this is why you can now pay for a commercial version of the software without that watermark.

                I suspect the pricing is like it is because the commercial version is only really relevant to a few purchasers and EVP wanted to keep the price reasonable, so decided to sell it as an upsell.
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                  Originally Posted by justinw View Post

                  I have used EVP since it first was sold on here as a WSO back at the end of last year. It always had a flowplayer watermark and I have never after almost a year of being an affiliate for EVP heard any complaints about that Watermark.

                  I can understand your comments about paying for traffic and there being a link to another site on the video and I presume this is why you can now pay for a commercial version of the software without that watermark.

                  I suspect the pricing is like it is because the commercial version is only really relevant to a few purchasers and EVP wanted to keep the price reasonable, so decided to sell it as an upsell.
                  Watermark does not equal live link. You do realize this, right?

                  No one has answered my question in terms of why there is no disclaimer on the site.

                  He is selling to the IM crowd. This is relevant to all of his target market.
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          Originally Posted by justinw View Post

          What isnt he upfront about? The sales page stated the price and that there was a continuity program attached and there was an option to buy the non watermarked version.

          Am impressed you do the same stuff with what you already have. I couldnt even begin to do something as complex as EVP, so I take my hat off to you.

          Interesting the pricing of the flowplayer licence. Didn't know it was quite so expensive, makes EVP even better value if you ask me.
          Thank you Justin, I really appreciate the comments. Its probably the biggest no brainer I could think of, thats why I did a deal with Flowplayer and invested in doing this to offer it to my customers, I thought they would like it.

          Its a sad think that some people are so jaded that they decide to judge other people and make them out to be evil people without knowing them, you know what, if he had of contacted my support and asked to remove the click through, id of probably done it free of charge just to help out, but if he is going to accuse me effectively of being a thief without ever saying as much as two words to me or even addressing any issues he has with me first so I can reply or deal with it with him, then well.. its better he has a refund in my book.

          I really do appreciate the kind words though, so many of my customers love the product, its such a shame that the angry upset 1% who probably never really even properly use the product make the most noise..
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            Originally Posted by Josh Bartlett View Post

            Thank you Justin, I really appreciate the comments. Its probably the biggest no brainer I could think of, thats why I did a deal with Flowplayer and invested in doing this to offer it to my customers, I thought they would like it.

            Its a sad think that some people are so jaded that they decide to judge other people and make them out to be evil people without knowing them, you know what, if he had of contacted my support and asked to remove the click through, id of probably done it free of charge just to help out, but if he is going to accuse me effectively of being a thief without ever saying as much as two words to me or even addressing any issues he has with me first so I can reply or deal with it with him, then well.. its better he has a refund in my book.

            I really do appreciate the kind words though, so many of my customers love the product, its such a shame that the angry upset 1% who probably never really even properly use the product make the most noise..
            I wonder how many of those customers understand there is a live link. Let's face it, it isn't like your telling anyone upfront.

            Why not disclaim it on the site if it isn't a big deal to most people?

            I never called you a thief. I think you are being sneaky as hell with the way you set up your product.

            I don't think anyone should have to contact you to remove the live link. Brand the heck out of your player but stop the live link crap. I would be happy to use your player and have no problem with you branding yourself. I won't do the live link stuff. I don't want to deal with upgrades and worrying about a live link sneaking in.

            This is some sneaky BS you're pulling so stop trying to make yourself out to be a victim. Disclaim it on your sales page so we don't waste our time purchasing, installing, learning just so we have to pull the product.
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  • im glad their is a option to credit the affiliates for the commission! I am going to buy this product as the software is amazing!

    Is there a option to remove the link in the video's, as i really do not want any outbound links on my salespage.

    In future i will not be listening to comment's based on other peoples views that are not proven.

    Thanks for telling it like it is Josh. without a doubt this is the most advanced video software available. I am glad you have stated your case with valid points that are OBVIOUSLY backed up.
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    Thomas,
    Want to PM me your phone number so you can talk to me directly when you accuse me of that kind of thing without knowing me?
    id be glad to get on a call with you and set you straight and have a chance to actually discuss this so you can see the kind of guy I am, rather than you just TELL me who I am when I dont know you from adam.

    Something tells me I wont be getting that PM,

    You are telling me I am being underhanded, telling me, not asking, not giving me the chance to defend myself, but telling me.. And we've never spoken before.

    My post above proved who I am and I think people can see that..

    Are you always so closed minded, arrogant and critical of other people? Do you always jump to conclusions about people you have never met? Would I be here being obviously so angry at what I am being accused of if it was true?

    Lets see if I get that PM.. Either way, Thats not how I would treat you without knowing you, I believe in respecting other people and letting them answer for themselves, not attacking them without ever even speaking to them.

    Im done commenting on here, I think everyone but you gets exactly who I am and my comment confirmed my intentions.

    Good luck in life looking for the worst in people..

    I guess the fact you have two infractions on here for insulting people is because the mod who gave it to you is somehow a jerk too right?

    I have customers to look after.. Good luck with life.
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    The flowplayer watermark is also a live link, which is why I have been using that as an example.

    What would you have the disclaimer say? The same as flowplayers? Oops... It doesnt have one.....

    I think you are nitpicking here. If you are paying so much for traffic and dont want that watermark whilst the video loads, just buy the $77 licence, or alternatively just use your own solution or flowplayers at $95 for a domain or $245 for four domains.
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          Originally Posted by justinw View Post

          The only live link is on the Watermark, which goes if you pay to upgrade. The watermark stays there whilst the video loads and then it is gone.

          It has nothing to do with my being an affiliate. I love EVP and am only an affiliate because I think it is great. I am engaging in this timewasting argument with you because I think you are being overly harsh on this great software.

          I am also explaining to you that the watermark goes if you pay for the commercial upgrade.

          As I say earlier I never once had any complaints or indeed saw any complaints about the flowplayer watermark which was also a link so am surprised you are making such a big deal about this.
          Watermark does not mean live link. You do understand this?

          Stop wasting your time until you can tell me why there is no disclaimer on this sales site stating there is a live link from the player to his website.

          I didn't purchase flowplayer. I purchased EVP so it doesn't matter what you say about flowplayer.

          I am not the only person in this thread making a bid deal.
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