Warriors Thoughts On SBI

Hey Bill,
Thanks very much for your review. I'm looking for something similar to SBI perhaps you can suggest a good service with your experience. Preferably one that is trusted and recognized with a reasonable pricing.

Thanks in advance

Hey Andrew

How are you?

I'm an SBIer and I'm not sure what you're needing help with. The information you are providing is rather general. Are you looking for help?

When you say "large," that's a relative term. To some that can mean 10 pages, to others, 100. You also don't say how old your site is.

I'm happy to help, if you provide more detailed info.

Forgot to add:

I do very well with SBI, over 4 figures a month and 1000s of visits a day. It took hard and didn't happen overnight. So my vote is positive.

I utterly agree.

I utterly agree with this as well, but don't necessarily connect that with the conversation.

- Uh, I don't agree with this one, at all.

Having been around here for a little while, I kind of know where this is headed, so here goes. . .

SBI is not a site builder, guys. It is a platform on which to build an online business. As I said earlier in this thread, it is definitely working for me, and I earn income from my SBI site on a nearly completely passive basis. That income continues to grow, although my time and work involved in building the business is decreasing.

That is the big difference between SBI and everything else, including WP.

As far as WP being able to do what SBI does, that's not true. Yes, you can create a wannabe "site," (although I wouldn't recommend using the blogging format to build a business) but it will cost you more than the SBI fee and then who will fix the bugs? What about security? What about hosting? What happens when you start to get successful and you exceed your bandwidth?

You can't compare WP with SBI. The business tools that come with SBI - out of the box - blows WP away. WP alone isn't going to "teach" you anything about getting there and making your business successful either. And if you have to go gathering all that info by yourself, well, it's your time and your dollar, I guess.

SBI is about building a business. It does take work and it does take time. It isn't like throwing up 10 pages and going broke with Adwords to get traffic. Done right, though, with SBI you will have an ever-growing income base that will last you a long time. You can even stop working on it at some point. It is not for everybody, though.

Like I said, Andrew, if you actually would like help, I'm glad to give it a go. But realize your niche is highly competitive, and you must compare apples to apples. Comparing a fitness site to a site about sunflower seeds, for instance, you're going to get a huge variation in data. That has nothing to do with SBI. That's the niche.

Hope this helps.

Well Andrew (#2) :-)

Some people would prefer cheap or free, but take a look at why there are so many cheap or free services, hosts, tools, etc. on the Net today -

Somewhere along the line, you're going to be paying somebody for something. Either you're going to be lining somebody's pockets (like one of the Warriors who love to hang out on SBI threads), to install and put plug-ins together for you. Or you're going to pay the host when you suddenly exceed your bandwidth, or you're going to be paying someone for an auto responder, an ezine creator, etc. etc.

Cheap and free are really only that way at first glance. They have to charge somewhere down the road or they'll go broke. People need to compare apples to apples. ;-)

That's what I'm trying to show here. When you look at what SBI provides, it gives you everything, right out of the box, to build a business. For one price, with proven, verifiable, reproducible results. And SBI holds your hand until you make it, if you want or need that.

Then, once you make it, you have the tools to manage it. And no matter how successful you get, they don't raise the price for hosting nor does your site get hacked.

When you're earning $10K, $20K, $40k a year or more, $300 is a drop in the bucket. That's what we're comparing. Not whether you can make a page "look good" or get it uploaded.

Just want to point that out. ;-)

Hi LB

I don't have anything against WordPress either.


I'm not putting it down. I'm just clearing away the clouds of misconception, LB. Believe me when I say, there is no offense intended.

Example, the average WP user is not creating a million-dollar business. And if they did become that successful, hosting/bandwidth/maintenance, etc., would not be cheap or free. To think so is ludicrous.


Again, sorry, but no it's not.

People don't realize how much traffic some SBI sites get and what the potential is and what SBI is really designed to do. It's constantly being compared to site builders (like WP), when site building is a fraction of SBI's capability. That's the point I'm trying to get across.

The ones who really *get* SBI are the people who take the time to learn it, apply it and work it. Those who sign up, rush to grab a domain name and throw up a handful of pages aren't going to like it. And people like that are wasting their money. I am being honest. That's not what it's for and those people should not buy SBI, because few people have the $300 to just throw down the toilet like that. (Although, there is the money-back guarantee . . . )

On the other hand, those who want to take the time to establish a real, ever-growing online business are the ones who will, and do, appreciate SBI.


What are you talking about? As if the average WP user does that. Come on now. Most WP blogs get little or no traffic. And most of them fail. That's why cheap or free hosting can be cheap or free. Otherwise, one caves to the upselling, add-ons, etc.

Now if someone had an SBI site, they might get enough traffic to worry about what you're talking about. There is never any added charge with SBI, ever. And some SBIers get millions of visits a month. Regardless, the price stays the same.


SBI sites are secure. They are safer due to the nature of the product itself. Unlike WP where security is a cat-and-mouse game. WP can only know about a security hole after it's been hacked through.

If you really do manage to build a successful online business that way, there's potential for problems.

Again, for those million-dollar businesses, they're going to be able to afford the staff/help to handle. But most WP users are the average Joe or Jane, sitting at their kitchen table, trying to eke out extra income for their family. They don't have that kind of wherewithal or the time or the know how to deal with that.

So, they are exposed to the risk.


You're right. It is.


One more time: there is no such thing as free once you are successful. The whole idea behind "free" is to get you hooked. Those companies gamble on your failure or mediocre results.

SBI, on the other hand, assumes you will succeed. It works to achieve that result and openly displays its proven, verifiable results.


Now, if some of you guys want to work your guts out, like creating hundreds of mini sites, or blogging your brains out and/or chasing the latest and greatest, all to remain competitive on the net and to keep money coming in, so be it. You've got more stamina than I do and deeper pockets than most.

I prefer to create online businesses that eventually become easily managed, passive sources of income. I don't want to have to chase down the latest technique, read gobs of gurus everyday. I want to live life.

I enjoy getting my checks every month, even during times when I don't even log in to check stats. (And there's nothing more thrilling than being gone for 2 months to find my stats have increased, as well as my income.)


You're right again. The fact that SBI is proprieteary means that everything works together, like it's supposed to. There aren't compatibility issues.


But what you've been alluding to, LB, is called the WordPress Gap. It's the gap between WordPress out of the box and off-the-shelf SBI. It's actually a viral marketing ploy, spurring a huge industry that caters to making WordPress an online business builder.


Don't get me wrong, WordPress is great and some will become very successful with it. But we need to compare apples to apples, otherwise it's misleading. And for those who want to build a business, there are pitfalls. But if you like writing about the latest and greatest and have a newsy topic, it could work well. (I prefer SBI's Content 2.0, though, because it supplies me with 100s of new, original content pages at regular intervals. I get tired of writing.)

Bottom line of this post: WP doesn't include everything you need (tools and training) to be successful. And to fill in the missing pieces, it would cost more than SBI.

I have to agree with this as I have some successful blogs using wordpress. There are excellent tutorials free at wf as well on this plus at youtube. Ethically, I have problems with SBI as an affiliate as I have been waiting for over 2 years to get my commission for the 2 renewals of the sbi site someone purchased through my affiliate link. I cannot get it from them till I make new sales (according to their tos). Third affiliate renewal will occur in December too!

There are excellent tutorials on seo for wordpress that one can find in main discussion forum of warriorforum .

Debbie

Thanks for pointing that out, Billy.

I guess I *am* a shill. And I love Kool Aid, whatever that means. :p Alas, and oh well! (tongue in cheek)

Despite the innuendo, I'm not doing anything but clearing misconceptions. (Note my sig.)

If telling the truth is wrong, well I hate to say it. But, maybe there's something wrong with how and where you guys get your information.


Actually, I don't want anybody here buying Site Build It! because you'll waste your money. Unless, of course, you're willing to learn and work. It takes time, hard work and persistence, but it does work - like I said. Right out of the box.

And other than doing my job for SiteSell Answers, I have no vested interest here.

An interesting tidbit: I actually *do* have a successful online business and it's not making money off Internet Marketers. Unlike some others on this forum, I don't need Warrior forum sales to survive.

Have a good day, all!

I told you folks they would be along soon, lol.

I don't understand why you're so upset about this and why you keep confusing what I'm saying.

Let me say it another way:

$300 a year to make a full time income. That's cheaper than driving back and forth to work.

No upcharges. Everything in one place, just focus and get it over the hump.

(Remember: apples to apples!)

Of course, not everyone will do that. Not everyone will like it.

But SBI *is* more than a site builder.


Well, have a nice day!

I didn't say this.

Please don't misconstrue and compare apples to apples, please.

I agree! You have such a wonderful free tool in WP with every plugin and theme you could ever need. Why not use it?

I have an SBI site, and yes, I found the manual very longwinded and not easy to follow when I was just making my internet debut. But the amount of help I received from other SBI members was extraordinarily generous, and by the time my site was "finished", I had a pretty good knowledge of how to build a profitable site.

I can share some of Stacy's passion for SBI. But I can also relate to others who may not have it. I wonder though, if those people took advantage of all that SBI offers members, or do they just use the site builder. If so, they are missing out on so much.

On someones recomendation I bought XSP and up went the learning curve again! I use XSP for "small"sites and haven't again found the need for a 50-60 page site like my SBI one.
However, now that I'm a bit more "seasoned", WP is my choice. So simple and so effective!

Now I'm waiting for a genie to come along and do all the work for me.

Veronica

I first found SBI back in 2004 after spending a lot of time digging through info on making money online.

Their whole focus on building a real longterm business appealed to me. It was the first thing that ever actually worked. And remains the only system I have invested in that works as advertised.

I'm actually thinking of getting another SBI site. Because I noticed I could get hosting so much cheaper through HostGator I tried to mirror the SBI principles on my own. I don't know why really but for some reason it just hasn't worked nearly as well. Maybe the keyword research tool in SBI is just that much better. Or maybe they have elves working behind the scenes. I don't know really.

All I know is I built 4 sites with SBI between 2004 and 2006 and each of these websites gets several hundred to several thousand unique visitors per day. And this is without spending hours building backlinks, etc. One of my sites has like 14 backlinks to it total and averages 600 unique visitors per day. I see other sites on the same subject with hundreds and thousands of backlinks ranking pages below this site. I just don't get it really but I honestly think there has to be something else going on behind the scenes they are not advertising.

Just my two cents for what is it worth.

Right on Retta, SBI does work, but it's not for everyone. I've been a member for 4-5 years now because I can't give up the keyword research tool BrainStormIt.

The reason I had to comment here...because I also have Market Samarai and Micro Niche Finder. I can't help it, I'm addicted to keyword research. I know there are many other good tools, both paid and free.

But, while Market Samuria and Micro Niche finder have been seriously affected by recent google changes, adword changes, and some other factors, SBI's BrainstormIt continues to work flawlessly and assigns an index value to both demand and competition based on far more than just google adwords and the other metrics used by MS and MNF.

In fact, regardless of what you purchase, tool or IM marketing product or procedure - you need to ask yourself if it has been created prior to the Google farmer update, has it been affected by the farmer update and if it could be rendered useless or altered by any future Google changes.

Guess what, every time I log into Micro Niche Finder or MS, I have to update the software because of Google's farmer update. I have not had to do that with SBI's keyword research tool.

It has never failed me and is always a good validity check against all other methods.

I do not have an SBI site. I prefer to have my own hosting. And while SBI's page builders offer great value, so does XsitePro2, as long as you know your stuff.

SBI has not altered their course because they set sail with the absolute proper course of providing relevant value to the surfer and that ultimately is exactly what Google wants.

I do totally value the warrior forum too. I've learned so much here and I'm grateful for the free and paid for tasty morsels.

I guess I will continue to be an internet polygamist....

To each their own. Best of luck with your nice looking site.

RB

Hi Guys

Just checking in on some of the statements being made in this thread. There's a couple in particular I would like to address.


SommerS said:

I'm sorry, but I think you missed something here. It does say to follow your passion, but with several caveats. It's in the Day 2 and 3 materials. You are instructed to start out with 3 site concepts that you feel you would like to do. Then it walks you step by step through each of those concepts to determine which is the most profitable. It also teaches you how to determine which keywords are the most commercially viable. Once you've gone through the 3 concepts, it encourages you to try more, if you're not convinced of the profitability of the results.

Then, on Day 4, you are instructed to move slowly and carefully through the data and look for monetization options. This is the part where you take a long, hard look at your niche and determine if it can earn income. If after doing this, you can't see where it's profitable enough, one is encourage to go back and keep working until one finds a profitable niche or spin on a niche. If one isn't thorough in applying the materials and establishing their business, that is not the fault of SBI.



It does teach that. It's in the Day 10 materials. Also in a few of the recommended ebooks. I think you missed something there, as well.



TheMole said:

SBIers are a close-knit bunch because they have a lot in common. Because they speak the same language and go through the same process, there is a lot of understanding there. This would be opposed to people coming from different backgrounds, speaking different languages, doing different things. In that scenario, people would tend to feel like strangers, because there are too many differences.

The camaraderie in SBI is a natural occurrence because people have so much in common. Each person has a different site and a different topic, but use the same tools, the same process and help each other in the forums.

Ken Evoy just happens to be a really incredible person, so people look up to him. I don't see how that's a bad thing.


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But, as has been said countless times in the past, Site Build It isn't for everyone. Do what you guys think is best.

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RB said:

Good point. I don't ever think I've heard it put any better than that.


Gerben said:

I know. Isn't it interesting how Site Build It sites perform so well? There's a joking page, where it says SBI seems like magic, which of course it's not. But it is quite effective which is why many people love it.


Have a good holiday, everyone!

I keep reading that SBI has tools, well, what tools? What do the tools do? What are they called?

Building a site is easy once a person understands the fundamentals of how their chosen content system works. Learning on and off site SEO isn't hard and all the information you need can be found for free with a quick search. Marketing doesn't take long to learn and again learning how can be found quickly with a search. When I think of tools I think of things like TBS, AMR, SEOLR, SEONx, Magic Submitter, WebCompAnalyst, SEO Quake, UAW and the like.

I haven't looked at SBI in a long time. If it has tools to help market like those above then at $30.00 a month it's a bargain. It might be a bargain anyway just for the training as mentor sites cost from $37.00 a month to $97.00 a month. But, i wouldn't pay for mentoring or coaching. All I would be interested in is a systems with tools.