Rent An Edu Domain Review (Russell Brunson)

by ezza17
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I just got an email about this new (?) offering from Mr Brunson and thought I would share my thoughts on the subject.

Keep in mind that these comments are backed by 5.5 years full time employment as a professional SEO/SEM consultant, so I actually have plenty of real world experience behind my opinion...

So, the short version of this product is that:

1) Russell says SEO is hard, really hard.
2) Russell says Links from .edu domains carry a LOT of authority & power in the eyes of Google
3) Russell says if you rent a .edu domain for $97/month from him & his JV partner and offer high ranking sites a link on that site back to them, in return for a link from their site to your money site, your rankings will skyrocket!

The theory is that .edu domains have so much value/power in Google's eyes that the top ranking sites you approach will be thrilled to provide a link exchange in return for getting one from your .edu domain. It's being promoted as a link bait tactic...

So, let's go thru these points step by step:

On so many levels this is not only a rip off targeting gullible buyers but it also won't work very well, if at all, for most website owners for various reasons.

In Russell's sales video, when he's banging on about how hard SEO is, with examples of what you have to do, he mentions h1 & h2 tags as being important, but never mentioned title tags at all.

The #1 most important onpage factor for SEO is the title tag. The headline tags have minimal value these days. That's been proven by some of the biggest & best SEO firms in the world today, backed by extensive live testing.

So, there's his first mistake in public - showing his limited knowledge (?) about SEO by emphasising something that's not important, and not mentioning something that is...

His next mistake was trying to convince people that links from .edu domains are highly valuable for SEO purposes because they're somehow much more highly trusted by Google!

What a lie!

Anyone can get a link on a blog hosted on a .edu domain, since most universities (for example) have free blogs for their students. Yet, I don't see SEO firms (white & black hat) rushing out to get these free links for their clients... I wonder why? ;-)

Authority for edu domains only comes about because 10's of thousands, possibly even millions, of sites link to them. AND, if the link isn't on a "legit" page on the site, forget it.

Google can easily differentiate between a link on a university student free blog and a link on the main real university site.

Russ shows an example of a variety of sites they set up on some Peruvian (.pe) domains (including University.edu.pe - go look at this site & tell me how legit it looks to you!). It doesn't even have a single link to it! Some authority site that one!

Once again, the trail of authority (links) tells the real story.

Lastly, Russell gave the example of using his own dotcomsecrets site as the example in this video, which is highly misleading, because it already has a large amount of authority.

Paul, his partner flogging this system, shows how he got good ol' Russ into the top 10 in Google for some highly competitive keyword phrases in Russ's market using this system. It only took a few weeks in the examples given.

Looks great right? Sign me up, I can't wait to be #1 for "make money online" and other such awesome keywords...

The truth is: His site already has nearly 200,000 links pointing to it from 760-odd domains, which means it has a lot of link authority in the eyes of Google.

When you're targeting new keywords, its so much easier to get top 10 rankings quickly if your site already has a massive number of links to it...

If you were a newbie with a new money site you wanted to promote this way, your site won't start with much, if any, authority (links), so it will be so much harder to beat the other folks you are targeting in the top 10.

If it looks like a duck, but walks & crows like a rooster, it aint a duck, people!

Last thing to consider (harsh reality check time)...

Do you SERIOUSLY expect that for $97/month you could rent a domain that will perform these miracles, when companies spend 5, 6 & even 7 figures per year on SEO & AdWords to rank top 10 for highly competitive keywords?

If this system really worked, these con artists wouldn't be flogging it to the avg punter for $97/month. They would be selling the domain &/or leads from a site on that domain to the top 10 listed competitors for MILLIONS of dollars per year!

20 seconds of critical thinking would show you that their actions don't equal their words.

So, my opinion is: save your money.

*IF* you want to try this yourself, go buy your very own .edu.pe domain from here:

Punto Pe - Dominios en el Perú

They cost approx $40/year. Set up your own site and follow Russell's plan and see how well it works. If you actually manage to make it work, congratulations, but don't hold your breath!

OK, that's all. Hope this helps save even 1 person's money from being wasted!
#brunson #domain #rent #review #russell
  • Profile picture of the author djbory
    All you had to do was say where they got these famous domain that they are renting for $97/month. Ren-An-Edu = What-A-Scam

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  • Profile picture of the author askloz
    What? SEO is hard? no its not..

    and edu carry a lot of what... garbage.

    a lot of the stuff you said there about what he says is true, is far from the truth.

    ok, he makes a lot of money with affiliate marketing, but seo, the guy needs to learn from Brad Fallon, Andy Jenkins, Dan Theis (did I spell that correctly? sorry Dan) Leslie Rhodes..

    then he might get somewhere.

    or sign up to Brad Callens SEO Newsletter and he might learn something.
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  • Profile picture of the author wrays
    Originally Posted by ezza17 View Post

    On so many levels this is not only a rip off targeting gullible buyers but it also won't work very well, if at all, for most website owners for various reasons.
    It's so sad to see that a well-known Internet Marketer is doing this kind of thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author ezza17
      Originally Posted by wrays View Post

      It's so sad to see that a well-known Internet Marketer is doing this kind of thing.
      Sadly, that's becoming the norm for a lot of "well known" internet marketers these days... :-( Shame really - they're just making it harder for the legitimate folks out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author stanl1234
    It is nice listening to an educated opinion on IM products. A voice looking in from the outside.

    Thanks for the input!
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    • Profile picture of the author da3gan
      I think you guys missed the point about the purpose of the .edu (I'm impartial)

      It's not about getting links from the .edu itself, it's "link baiting", it's giving others links to the .edu domain in exchange for a one way link to the site of your choosing from the person wanting the .edu link.

      So it be would like if I go out to the top 10 ranked sites for "cabbage soup" and I have a site I want to rank highly for either that same keyword term or something almost like it, and I say to those top 10 sites "I'll give you a one way link to my .edu domain in exchange for a link to my "cabbage soup" site from yours.

      You're not trying to gain authority by the .edu itself you're using a one way link from that site as an incentive to get sites you want to link to yours, so everyone get's one way links.

      So that makes a lot of the "scam" talk here kinda null and void.

      If 5 of the top 10 pages for a keyword you want to rank link to you for that same keyword term you're very likely to be seen as highly relevant, and that's what the whole process is about.

      Make sense?
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      • Profile picture of the author WealthWithin
        Originally Posted by da3gan View Post

        I think you guys missed the point about the purpose of the .edu (I'm impartial)

        It's not about getting links from the .edu itself, it's "link baiting", it's giving others links to the .edu domain in exchange for a one way link to the site of your choosing from the person wanting the .edu link.

        So it be would like if I go out to the top 10 ranked sites for "cabbage soup" and I have a site I want to rank highly for either that same keyword term or something almost like it, and I say to those top 10 sites "I'll give you a one way link to my .edu domain in exchange for a link to my "cabbage soup" site from yours.

        You're not trying to gain authority by the .edu itself you're using a one way link from that site as an incentive to get sites you want to link to yours, so everyone get's one way links.

        So that makes a lot of the "scam" talk here kinda null and void.

        If 5 of the top 10 pages for a keyword you want to rank link to you for that same keyword term you're very likely to be seen as highly relevant, and that's what the whole process is about.

        Make sense?
        The point of 'scam' is when you're deceiving other webmasters to link to you for a fake .edu site.

        They created fake site called 'Peru International University' and shoved a directory script in there.

        I'm sure it'll work for first few months until Google de-indexes the whole domain for link farming.
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      • Profile picture of the author ezza17
        Originally Posted by da3gan View Post

        I think you guys missed the point about the purpose of the .edu (I'm impartial)

        It's not about getting links from the .edu itself, it's "link baiting", it's giving others links to the .edu domain in exchange for a one way link to the site of your choosing from the person wanting the .edu link.

        So it be would like if I go out to the top 10 ranked sites for "cabbage soup" and I have a site I want to rank highly for either that same keyword term or something almost like it, and I say to those top 10 sites "I'll give you a one way link to my .edu domain in exchange for a link to my "cabbage soup" site from yours.

        You're not trying to gain authority by the .edu itself you're using a one way link from that site as an incentive to get sites you want to link to yours, so everyone get's one way links.

        So that makes a lot of the "scam" talk here kinda null and void.

        If 5 of the top 10 pages for a keyword you want to rank link to you for that same keyword term you're very likely to be seen as highly relevant, and that's what the whole process is about.

        Make sense?
        Actually, I didn't miss the point of it being link bait... Go re-read what I wrote (4th paragraph).

        However, the way they're promoting it is that you contact the top 10-20-30 listings in Google for whichever keyword you want to rank for and request a link from them, AND because they're high ranking sites, links from them will be of extra value (ie more authority)... The "hook" of a .edu link is playing on the mistaken belief (by many) that .edu links are automatically much better than "normal" links (whatever you define that to be).

        As for getting 5 links from the top 10 pages (as you gave the example of) being enough to push you over the line, that is HIGHLY dependent on how powerful their domain authority is in the first place.

        5 links from the top 10 ranking sites for "purple & pink smelly cabbage soup recipe" is pretty useless to anything other than a site that focusses on wierd cabbage soup recipes".

        Try seeing how far you get with a "real" website with plenty of authority - you would still struggle to get them to even give you link, and in the end, you'd still need 1000s, perhaps even 10s or 100s of thousands of links to rank top 10 for MANY keywords.

        I wanted to avoid coming out straight and just saying it's a major scam, but what the hey, let's call a spade a spade and tell the truth. Google will kill it off in a very short period of time, but not before RB & his JV partner clean up on the newbies & ignorant (no insult intended to them) buying into this pipe dream.
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      • Profile picture of the author astire
        Originally Posted by da3gan View Post

        I think you guys missed the point about the purpose of the .edu (I'm impartial)

        It's not about getting links from the .edu itself, it's "link baiting", it's giving others links to the .edu domain in exchange for a one way link to the site of your choosing from the person wanting the .edu link.

        So it be would like if I go out to the top 10 ranked sites for "cabbage soup" and I have a site I want to rank highly for either that same keyword term or something almost like it, and I say to those top 10 sites "I'll give you a one way link to my .edu domain in exchange for a link to my "cabbage soup" site from yours.

        You're not trying to gain authority by the .edu itself you're using a one way link from that site as an incentive to get sites you want to link to yours, so everyone get's one way links.

        So that makes a lot of the "scam" talk here kinda null and void.

        If 5 of the top 10 pages for a keyword you want to rank link to you for that same keyword term you're very likely to be seen as highly relevant, and that's what the whole process is about.

        Make sense?
        Ok you can deceive some webmasters making them believe that your .edu link is very valuable and they might give you a real valuable link in return of your so called .edu authority link. So apparently it looks like that this trick might work for you even though you are doing a dishonest thing. So you are getting valuable links and congrats on top ranking...

        But wait....

        What you are doing is setting a pattern for google to track you down. Lets say you get 100 link exchanges. Now all 100 websites getting a back link from a specific source and giving out a link to a specific website. Do you think its hard for Google to track this?
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Originally Posted by da3gan View Post

        I think you guys missed the point about the purpose of the .edu (I'm impartial)

        It's not about getting links from the .edu itself, it's "link baiting", it's giving others links to the .edu domain in exchange for a one way link to the site of your choosing from the person wanting the .edu link.

        So it be would like if I go out to the top 10 ranked sites for "cabbage soup" and I have a site I want to rank highly for either that same keyword term or something almost like it, and I say to those top 10 sites "I'll give you a one way link to my .edu domain in exchange for a link to my "cabbage soup" site from yours.

        You're not trying to gain authority by the .edu itself you're using a one way link from that site as an incentive to get sites you want to link to yours, so everyone get's one way links.

        So that makes a lot of the "scam" talk here kinda null and void.

        If 5 of the top 10 pages for a keyword you want to rank link to you for that same keyword term you're very likely to be seen as highly relevant, and that's what the whole process is about.

        Make sense?
        Ahhh, so it's about scamming OTHER website owners instead, lol. Yes, that makes perfect sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author SgtBadass
    I just checked on that domain registry and it says that the use of .edu is restricted to 'ex post' (sorry, don't know Spanish, that's Google translating). Does that mean you can even register one?

    If they find out won't they send over some crack squad of Microsoft Certified assassins to pop a cap in your ass?
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  • Profile picture of the author JerryAdler
    I also got the email from Russell Brunson. ALL the sites that he CLAIM top on Google ONLY using .edu DOES not have .edu at ALL.. I can say this is real SCAM.. I have check using backlinks checker and scrapebox, but has not find any .edu domain!! Check it by yourself Rentanedu.com .Find their video. This is really scam and they charge 1$ for 7 days, and after that 97$ per month. He make BIG money if he can FOOL one person as it is 97$ per month.. Lol... :p By the way, I do living as SEO consultant, I never find it is so hard to get top ten on Google if you do on the right way.


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    • Profile picture of the author JerryAdler
      Originally Posted by JerryAdler View Post

      I also got the email from Russell Brunson. ALL the sites that he CLAIM top on Google ONLY using .edu DOES not have .edu at ALL.. I can say this is real SCAM.. I have check using backlinks checker and scrapebox, but has not find any .edu domain!! Check it by yourself Rentanedu.com .Find their video. This is really scam and they charge 1$ for 7 days, and after that 97$ per month. He make BIG money if he can FOOL one person as it is 97$ per month.. Lol... :p By the way, I do living as SEO consultant, I never find it is so hard to get top ten on Google if you do on the right way.


      Regards,
      Jerry

      I'm opening support ticket asking him,


      "Hi, I just check your .edu backlinks for Internet Marketing Strategies - Start an Online Business | DotComSecrets and also Meet local single woman - Date Dating Single Woman .My backlinks checker which is Scrapebox does not show any .edu backlinks. Not any single .edu backlinks from this site. Why?? I'm interested if this works well.... Thanks"

      I got this answer

      "We wouldn't expect there to be any .EDU backlinks to Internet Marketing Strategies - Start an Online Business | DotComSecrets. If you review the procedures we are recommending you'll find that our customers are to contact sites ranking for a keyword that they would like their own URL to rank better for and offer them a link to an .EDU. In exchange, our customer's URL will be posted on those sites, not their own .EDU subdomain.

      I'm not familiar with Meet local single woman - Date Dating Single Woman. Maybe we used this link as an example in one of our instructional videos. If so, we haven't maintained the .EDU subdomain - it was merely an example - therefore we expect that all links would have dissolved as soon as we stopped renting the subdomain.

      What we are offering is the very best method available for increasing your sites rank and traffic. We firmly believe this based on our company's extensive experience in the business of promoting websites and the success we've had with these particular methods.

      Regards,

      Jordan"
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      • Profile picture of the author ben565
        Originally Posted by JerryAdler View Post


        I'm opening support ticket asking him,


        "Hi, I just check your .edu backlinks for Internet Marketing Strategies - Start an Online Business | DotComSecrets and also Meet local single woman - Date Dating Single Woman .My backlinks checker which is Scrapebox does not show any .edu backlinks. Not any single .edu backlinks from this site. Why?? I'm interested if this works well.... Thanks"

        I got this answer

        "We wouldn't expect there to be any .EDU backlinks to Internet Marketing Strategies - Start an Online Business | DotComSecrets. If you review the procedures we are recommending you'll find that our customers are to contact sites ranking for a keyword that they would like their own URL to rank better for and offer them a link to an .EDU. In exchange, our customer's URL will be posted on those sites, not their own .EDU subdomain.

        I'm not familiar with Meet local single woman - Date Dating Single Woman. Maybe we used this link as an example in one of our instructional videos. If so, we haven't maintained the .EDU subdomain - it was merely an example - therefore we expect that all links would have dissolved as soon as we stopped renting the subdomain.

        What we are offering is the very best method available for increasing your sites rank and traffic. We firmly believe this based on our company's extensive experience in the business of promoting websites and the success we've had with these particular methods.

        Regards,

        Jordan"
        at least you got an answer,i put in a support ticket 2 days ago to cancel my trial but i have got not response and they are about to charge me $97
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        • Profile picture of the author patlondon
          I imagine that an authority site that has the ability to get top rankings for the toughest of keywords could also muster the resources to find their very own legit .EDU links if they wanted to without any help.


          One thing that really cheeses me off is the fact that I got the email touting this c.r.a.p. from the friendly and apparently hard up folks at SENUKE.

          Come on Areeb...are times that tough..?:rolleyes:

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          • Profile picture of the author Dexx
            Originally Posted by patlondon View Post

            I imagine that an authority site that has the ability to get top rankings for the toughest of keywords could also muster the resources to find their very own legit .EDU links if they wanted to without any help.


            One thing that really cheeses me off is the fact that I got the email touting this c.r.a.p. from the friendly and apparently hard up folks at SENUKE.

            Come on Areeb...are times that tough..?:rolleyes:

            Pat
            Agreed. Lost a lot of respect for the SENuke team for promoting this OBVIOUS junk ($97/mo wtf?). Disappointed to the max.
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            • Profile picture of the author mick535
              Originally Posted by Dexx View Post

              Agreed. Lost a lot of respect for the SENuke team for promoting this OBVIOUS junk ($97/mo wtf?). Disappointed to the max.
              You can't blame Areeb. I am sure he is not even aware of what is in the program. Most people gt offered a JV these days and just promote for the cash. If anything, he should be blamed for acting like every other Marketer there is from Frank Kern to Mike Filsaime, Jeff Johnson, etc.

              They all do it. Look at Auto Blog Samurai. The biggest Clickbank seller of all time I think, yet the software doesn't work and the plan is a sham.

              I was almost taken in by this myself until I read the fine print.

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              • Profile picture of the author Justin Wheeler
                Originally Posted by mick535 View Post

                You can't blame Areeb. I am sure he is not even aware of what is in the program. Most people gt offered a JV these days and just promote for the cash. If anything, he should be blamed for acting like every other Marketer there is from Frank Kern to Mike Filsaime, Jeff Johnson, etc.

                They all do it. Look at Auto Blog Samurai. The biggest Clickbank seller of all time I think, yet the software doesn't work and the plan is a sham.

                I was almost taken in by this myself until I read the fine print.

                Mike
                Actually you can blame Areeb. It is to my mind unacceptable and indeed unethical to promote something you haven't tried or used. I don't do it and I am pretty sure you don't do it either from what I have seen on both your blog and your excellent Auto blog Blueprint.

                Originally Posted by ezza17 View Post


                *IF* you want to try this yourself, go buy your very own .edu.pe domain from here:

                Punto Pe - Dominios en el Perú

                They cost approx $40/year. Set up your own site and follow Russell's plan and see how well it works. If you actually manage to make it work, congratulations, but don't hold your breath!

                OK, that's all. Hope this helps save even 1 person's money from being wasted!
                Interesting to see that. Looks like until recently .edu.pe's where easily available. Whilst you can still buy them it looks like you wont be able to much longer. I see from punto.pe that you can also buy a Peruvian Govt. Email addressand a military one, although new restrictions are coming into force. None the less there are some interesting domain names available there for a bit of a gamble!
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              Originally Posted by Dexx View Post

              Agreed. Lost a lot of respect for the SENuke team for promoting this OBVIOUS junk ($97/mo wtf?). Disappointed to the max.
              Agreed, but I think that if this is really another "pay us and we will keep bull***ting you" kind of an offer, than I think Russell is damaging his entire reputation. well, at least within the experienced marketers community
              on the other hand... maybe we are not a target audience for him anymore.

              I really respect Russel for his achievements therefore expect more from him. and BTW, I have noticed same phenomena
              from Mike Filsame before he disappeared. (my personal view only)
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
    Nice article, You see so many of these vendors out there that claim to be SEO professionals, good to see someone who has some knowledge on the subject for a change thanks for the info.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marcus Santer
      Ezza17 - Wanted to thank you for your post. I was notified about this .edu opportunity a week or so ago and as a newbie I was sweating trying to make a decision on this.

      Having been burnt a few times now already, I decided to see if there was anything on the WF about it. Finding nothing at the time I decided that 'if it looks too good to be true, then it probably is' - and walked away.

      I'm glad I did now.

      Thank you for shedding light on this subject for me.

      With gratitude

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  • Profile picture of the author thebasta
    This is a great Threat ..... Why? because everybody is realizing that these ( super affiliate and top marketers) are making money just selling crap system to another one and telling lies...

    Thanks ezza17 for this threat....
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  • Profile picture of the author Sleaklight
    What they're selling is not even an .edu site, it's a .pe site that simply has .edu before the .pe You might as well create a subdomain on your current website and call it edu so it is edu.domain.com. That's what you're basically paying $97 a month for here. Also, why pay $97 a month when you can get your own .edu.pe domain for just $30 a year?
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  • Profile picture of the author davesh
    ezza17, Great Review ! very honest, helpful and quite simple to understand !
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  • Profile picture of the author OpticalOut
    What I didn't like about the offer was the fact that the trial was what? 7 days or something short.

    What is 7 days going to prove? Ranking doesn't take place and stick in 7 days...
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  • Profile picture of the author immick
    Truly appreciate the honest review. As others have said in this thread so many of the better known IM "brands" have been prosituting themselves for a fast buck. If they don't stop it soon their brand will be worthless.

    While a bad program is bad at any price, there is something entirely unseemly selling something like this for almost $100 a month.
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    • Profile picture of the author JJOrana
      That's why I stopped listening to Russell...

      ...too much Dan Kennedy in your veins and you're starting to become shrewd businessman.
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      • Profile picture of the author lumcc
        I've unsubscribed to Russell's list long time ago (> than 1.5 year back)...
        cos i've realized he had joined the dark side... =)

        nowadays more & more used-to-be-honest IM marketers just can't resist the evil money - how sad
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          • Profile picture of the author GaryHarvey
            I have no idea what the product was,
            but just in case you're not aware of this,
            you can ask Clickbank directly for refunds
            for Clickbank-sold products.

            If it was his Peru edu thing, I asked for
            and got his refund. But you've got to
            ask during the stated refund period.

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