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Massive Passive Profits

by neodarth
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I've get an email from Bill McRea promoting his Massive Passive Profit product.

I know Bill from other products and they are OK (not huge ground breaking) but at least deliver.

As usual the sales letter is hyped up to attract the non educated lazy wealth seekers, it push the right mind buttons and promises a huge traffic increasing on your sites. As a traffic generation system I'm interest in review it (I'm still in the quest for the holy grial of free traffic generation software)

Anyway I'll check it out and will post my impressions. What I like so far its that the price is $47 and hasn't exit popups and is just one upsell of $197, and is managed by clickbank (easier to refund in case of emergency).
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  • Profile picture of the author valdivz
    I bought it, and checked out some videos. There seems to be a lot of moving parts to it. I tried logging into it later in the day and website is now gone! I can't even login. Kinda sucks when you just spent some good money and can't even see the product you bought.
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by valdivz View Post

      I bought it, and checked out some videos. There seems to be a lot of moving parts to it. I tried logging into it later in the day and website is now gone! I can't even login. Kinda sucks when you just spent some good money and can't even see the product you bought.

      That's a shame-please keep us updated-hopefully the site is down due to a temporary glitch.

      It sounds like the software might be a cool tool, so I hope they can resolve it. I've got the video on their sales page playing now, and can't even pause it-I hate that, but if that makes more sales for them, I can't fault them for it. I'd do it too.
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      • Profile picture of the author miked2345
        I just bought it.... and I'm looking at a blank screen!!

        After buying it, it sends you to a registration page,
        where they want everything.. name, street address, phone number..
        (you feel like you're being setup for some of those "personal coaching"
        phone pitches!!)

        Then you get all excited and hit the "Activate" button!!

        .....which takes you to to a blank page that only says:

        "Sorry, the license you have entered is not valid. Please buy the genuine license from OptimizePress"

        The "OptimizePress" is a link to another page, for a totally different product.

        Wow.. I feel warm and fuzzy all over... Looks like a rip off.
        It's times like this that I REALLY love ClickBank's refund policy!!
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    Any updates as to whether the page/software is working yet?
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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    Update:

    I finally have access to this Massive Passive Profits. I've read that they have some serious issues with the server.

    What is all about?

    Is a software or more like a plugin, that create a MU wordpress blog, and have the capability to create MU autoblogs fetching content from articlebase, eza, amazon and youtube videos for a given keyword (very similar to wp robot).

    Is actually pretty easy to create blogs that way and with the Mass Deploy you can upload a CVS file with 100's of blogs to create (this is actually awesome).

    However, it requires a little bit more than that to make it work, like a good theme (not included) and other plugins (not included) to help you rank better and get some traffic.

    Yet again as autoblogs is a matter of numbers, the fact to build as many sites as you want in a matter of minutes make this MPP worthed.

    The downside is that you'll probably need a dedicated server hosting that will certainly cut your profits. And you need a little bit more work in order to set the right sites, with the right theme, and the right monetization method, and keep an eye on them (if you set once and forget them... forget about make money too).
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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    Originally Posted by imguru View Post

    What about traffic? You can create 500 auto blogs but without traffic there's no massive passive profit. What's the traffic sources in this?
    Traffic comes mainly by SEO, and backlinking using some paid plugins.

    But if you have some experience you can take one bit from here, another from there, and set a pretty decent income source... yet this is not explained in the 'training' in extensive.
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  • Profile picture of the author gacott
    Originally Posted by romolo View Post

    thanks to all of you for the reviews, this sounds like just another scam put out there for newbies, and I am so glad to be part of this forum and find out in no time what's it all about.... I wont fall for it and if you bought it ask for a refund and follow the true path to making money online, with true business mind and long term projects that deliver fruits for the long run..
    thanks again
    I get why this might not be somebodies cup of tea but I certainly wouldn't put it as a scam. Why the method of 100 blogs might not be what you consider as doable business model, there are plenty of people who make a nice living at it.

    I think with a little work on a persons part and depending on if you can place off of these blogs under one install of MU or not, it might not be that big of a chore to get 100 blogs going and optimized. Just my two cents.

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    • Profile picture of the author neodarth
      Originally Posted by gacott View Post

      I get why this might not be somebodies cup of tea but I certainly wouldn't put it as a scam. Why the method of 100 blogs might not be what you consider as doable business model, there are plenty of people who make a nice living at it.

      I think with a little work on a persons part and depending on if you can place off of these blogs under one install of MU or not, it might not be that big of a chore to get 100 blogs going and optimized. Just my two cents.

      Garret
      I used this MU wordpress blog system a while ago, yet it was still some time consuming creating each blog, but with the upgraded plugin you can upload a cvs file with all the information needed to create a blog and with the campaigns set up, ready to go.

      The interesting part is if you can build 5 to 10 MU blogs a day with the basic program, with the cvs uploader you can build literally 100 a day. And as this is a numbers game.

      You will need a better hosting plan than the hostgator baby croc though.

      Now, personally this is not the model I wish to follow I'm an old fashion guy and still fond to the hard work long term business model.

      Anyway I handle the license to my brother with some extra instructions and if my lazy bro can't bank at least 1k a month with this system before year's end I'll start to seriously doubt of his synapses process.
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    • Profile picture of the author LosingMyHair
      Originally Posted by 6mdrux6 View Post

      What is the bottom line price and how many upsells and downsells are needed to complete the purchase....
      Here's a tip. Use the payment link at the top of the first page. It's for $200 or so ad gives you everything. The link at the bottom is for $50, but it's just for the tool to create the blogs manually.

      That's nice, but you really want to be able to do it from a spreadsheet.
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  • Profile picture of the author LosingMyHair
    PROS
    • This thing is an autoblogging dream. You can build them in a spreadsheet, upload and walk away.
    • It will automatically setup unlimited subdomains (e.g. blog1.dumblogger.net, blog2.dumblogger.net, etc)
    • They accidentally provided the source code to all of the initial purchasers so you can easily prevent E.T from phoning home and telling his parents where and how you are using the plugin

    CONS
    • It cannot create additional domains (only subdomains). So you have to create a separate Wordpress install if you want to do that.
    • They recommend that you use a dedicated server. More money.
    • To get traffic you need to install at least 2 other plugins (WP Syndicator and Web Traffic Genius Pro). They recommend a bunch, but you don't need them all. I use the two that I do, because I already know to use them.
    • One of the plugins they recommend is Blogpress SEO. Hey wait, isn't that a Wordpress Trojan? Either these gurus are to stoopid to know about it or they own it and want to secretly control the blogs of everyone who installs it.
    • They released an update which supposedly fixed a registration issue. When actually, it's an ioncube encoded version of the same software. I think I'll keep the source

    I've already made some edits to help me do some cool stuff with my autoblogs and my themes.
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    • Profile picture of the author alisa777
      Originally Posted by LosingMyHair View Post

      PROS
      • This thing is an autoblogging dream. You can build them in a spreadsheet, upload and walk away.
      • It will automatically setup unlimited subdomains (e.g. blog1.dumblogger.net, blog2.dumblogger.net, etc)
      • They accidentally provided the source code to all of the initial purchasers so you can easily prevent E.T from phoning home and telling his parents where and how you are using the plugin

      CONS
      • It cannot create additional domains (only subdomains). So you have to create a separate Wordpress install if you want to do that.
      • They recommend that you use a dedicated server. More money.
      • To get traffic you need to install at least 2 other plugins (WP Syndicator and Web Traffic Genius Pro). They recommend a bunch, but you don't need them all. I use the two that I do, because I already know to use them.
      • One of the plugins they recommend is Blogpress SEO. Hey wait, isn't that a Wordpress Trojan? Either these gurus are to stoopid to know about it or they own it and want to secretly control the blogs of everyone who installs it.
      • They released an update which supposedly fixed a registration issue. When actually, it's an ioncube encoded version of the same software. I think I'll keep the source

      I've already made some edits to help me do some cool stuff with my autoblogs and my themes.
      Thanks for the brief and clear review.
      Are you still at it ? How are you doing ?
      I was interested too, I already have recommended traffic plugins, have some others in mind that can do well too...
      If compared with all the junk 'magic buttons' selling over last 6-8 months, this system seems to me as better deal as more time passes on.

      Your reply would be much appreciated
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  • Profile picture of the author depotgang
    Here watch me build 100 websites using my Massive Passive Software

    This thing rocks... I make a little money on a lot of sites

    Sorry about the server problem. Too much traffic on launch day. Everything is working fine now

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    • Profile picture of the author DavidParton
      Originally Posted by depotgang View Post

      Here watch me build 100 websites using my Massive Passive Software

      This thing rocks... I make a little money on a lot of sites

      Sorry about the server problem. Too much traffic on launch day. Everything is working fine now

      massive passsive service - 100sitesvideo
      Bill,I looked at one of the sites mentioned in the video and you might want to fix something on the template:

      Just another Healthy Food Guitar site

      Edible guitars? Now there's a micro-niche for ya !
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  • Profile picture of the author mediadealer
    just emailed Bill about the Blogpress SEO recommendation in the training. he replied back saying "I will remove it"

    so hey, problem solved.

    thanks to @LosingMyHair for actually having a real review of the product t'was very helpful.

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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    There are two cool features that this thing has that may be worth to mention, that in my humble opinion the more I use the more I like.

    the first is the use of the cvs file to load the blogs, is just simply too freaking easy to build a blog that way, you only ned to set up one blog as a template and the rest will be build using the same pattern (plugins, themes, pages includes)

    The second is... wait... no... actually there is only one thing.

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    Now... How do I use massive passive profits if I wish to stick to that short term business model?

    Adding market samurai, bookmarking demon and some other sindication plugins.

    find a niche, fetch a good list of keywords, get a domain, create your first blog, and then use your keyword list as subdomains of your autoblogs. The more the merrier. Bookmark, sindicate, index and forget.

    Find another niche, and repeat. The time to invest on each site is about an hour taking on account the keyword research (about 20 minutes) the initial setup of your template blog takes you about 20 minutes with all the plugins, another 10 to fill the spreadsheet with your blogs data and 10 minutes to upload the 100 blogs.

    If you put your head and heart on this task you can build easily 5 niche domains blogs with 100 subdomain blogs in a matter of 5 hours work. All fully loaded with adsense and clickbank hop ads and amazon products.

    So theorically we are talking about 500 blogs a day 2.500 a week and 10000 blogs a month if each of them gives you just $0.1 a day you do the math.

    The cost?
    Hostgator dedicated server hosting $ 174 /month
    Godaddy .com domain names $11.99 x 100 = $1199 / year
    Market Samurai $ 149 /one time payment
    Massive Passive Profit w/mass deploy $ 244
    Total Investment $1766

    10000 blogs at $0.1 day x 30 days $30000 / month

    But... you know how numbers are... they paint you a dreamed scenario and sometimes they simply lie... but it will be awesome to get that passive income for 1 month work... if only this works that way right?
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    • Profile picture of the author Netafile
      Originally Posted by neodarth View Post


      So theorically we are talking about 500 blogs a day 2.500 a week and 10000 blogs a month if each of them gives you just $0.1 a day you do the math.

      The cost?
      Hostgator dedicated server hosting $ 174 /month
      Godaddy .com domain names $11.99 x 100 = $1199 / year
      Market Samurai $ 149 /one time payment
      Massive Passive Profit w/mass deploy $ 244
      Total Investment $1766

      10000 blogs at $0.1 day x 30 days $30000 / month

      But... you know how numbers are... they paint you a dreamed scenario and sometimes they simply lie... but it will be awesome to get that passive income for 1 month work... if only this works that way right?
      Neodarth, I did the math. You were off by a decimal point!

      10,000 blogs at $0.1 day x 30 days = $3,000 / month

      Like others here have mentioned, would be concerned about footprint and indexing (ranking these would be a long shot, IMHO)

      I also heard that a good practice is to wait a month or two before adding your ads, so Google doesn't ignore/dismiss the site immediately.

      Does this plugin clone an entire WP setup with additional plugins you may want to add?
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      • Profile picture of the author kenwarrior
        Originally Posted by Netafile View Post

        Neodarth, I did the math. You were off by a decimal point!

        10,000 blogs at $0.1 day x 30 days = $3,000 / month
        Don't think so, do your math again!
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  • Profile picture of the author LosingMyHair
    Yes, it takes some work, but the work of building the blogs is gone. This leaves plenty of time to use Market Samauri, Google Insight, and SEO Elite.

    I mean, yeah, I wish there were more data sources and more configurability... but hey, with the source I can always add more content sources.

    This thing really works.

    Also, IP diversity is a good thing. You don't want 10k blogs on the same ole IP addy. They actually mentioned some of that in one of the videos (buy very briefly). And the bottom line is IP addresses cost money. I personally plan to setup 50-100 blogs per IP.

    Sure there are some cons, but I've never seen a way to build blogs so easily. The next version will not doubt be even richer. Don't play games. Buy it now. But yes, there are CONS to it... and everything else in this world.
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    • Profile picture of the author LosingMyHair
      I guess what I mean to say is that if you're new to IM, purchasing it will be risky. You can learn as you go, but you'll be going nowhere fast.

      If you are experienced (even intermediate experience), you will have no problem making your money back.
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    • Profile picture of the author PanamaRex
      Originally Posted by depotgang View Post

      Here watch me build 100 websites using my Massive Passive Software

      This thing rocks... I make a little money on a lot of sites

      Sorry about the server problem. Too much traffic on launch day. Everything is working fine now

      massive passsive service - 100sitesvideo
      Originally Posted by LosingMyHair View Post

      Yes, it takes some work, but the work of building the blogs is gone. This leaves plenty of time to use Market Samauri, Google Insight, and SEO Elite.

      I mean, yeah, I wish there were more data sources and more configurability... but hey, with the source I can always add more content sources.

      This thing really works.

      Also, IP diversity is a good thing. You don't want 10k blogs on the same ole IP addy. They actually mentioned some of that in one of the videos (buy very briefly). And the bottom line is IP addresses cost money. I personally plan to setup 50-100 blogs per IP.

      Sure there are some cons, but I've never seen a way to build blogs so easily. The next version will not doubt be even richer. Don't play games. Buy it now. But yes, there are CONS to it... and everything else in this world.
      What about the normal autoblogging pitfalls, like the Duplicate Content Penalty? Will google slap the whole domain once it finds a common footprint with all of the autoblogs?
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      • Profile picture of the author gacott
        Originally Posted by PanamaRex View Post

        What about the normal autoblogging pitfalls, like the Duplicate Content Penalty? Will google slap the whole domain once it finds a common footprint with all of the autoblogs?
        Done right duplicate content isn't an issue. I have a number of autoblogs with good PR and rank quite well.

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        • Profile picture of the author PanamaRex
          Originally Posted by gacott View Post

          Done right duplicate content isn't an issue. I have a number of autoblogs with good PR and rank quite well.

          Garret

          Done right? Have the authors of this product taken this into consideration and if so, how?

          In the following video, they demonstrate how they build can 100 blogs in 5 minutes ...


          If you look closely at the video, the blog is located at:
          www.healthyfoodguidelines.com

          The blog is broken down into subfolders such as
          http://www.healthyfoodguidelines.com/healthyfoodtips
          http://www.healthyfoodguidelines.com/healthyfoods/
          http://www.healthyfoodguidelines.com/healthyfoodlist/

          and so on.

          The sales video states that the system syndicates onto other sites, but so far, google nor yahoo has noticed them. In fact, there are currently NO listings in google or yahoo for any of these blogs. Now since the healthyfoodguidelines.com domain was only registered yesterday (circa 11/18/2010), I can certainly understand why.

          I would be curious after running this process how quickly the authors are able to bring in traffic and earnings from this newly created domain.
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        • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
          Originally Posted by gacott View Post

          Done right duplicate content isn't an issue. I have a number of autoblogs with good PR and rank quite well.

          Garret

          Couldn't agree more Garret...that is certainly a myth I wish would finally die.
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  • Profile picture of the author dtmission
    It is an interesting concept, but it requires a serious investment, that currently I cannot afford.

    I would like to test the system on a smaller scale by choosing a niche, selecting the leywords and building 10 or so subdomain blogs.

    This would not require an Hostgator dedicated server and could provide some feedback on the profit potentials

    I would be interested in your opinion on this approach

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  • Profile picture of the author depotgang
    hey everyone... I am sorry about the download issue and all. But everything is fine now. I hope you enjoyed the video on me building the sites. Here is another video of what the software is


    There are always problems with product launched. I had no clue we would sell 5,000 copies of the software in 3 days. This put a huge strain on our system bringing our huge dedicated server down. I had to move everything to a cloud based server in the middle of the launch. What a mess....

    This blogging platform flat our works like a dream. Today it is 9:30am PST and we have build several hundred sites already.

    I wish I had more time to respond...but i am very busy.

    Good luck all
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    • Profile picture of the author Tamara Watts
      Originally Posted by depotgang View Post

      There are always problems with product launched. I had no clue we would sell 5,000 copies of the software in 3 days.

      .....
      .............

      I wish I had more time to respond...but i am very busy.
      Good luck all
      Originally Posted by MassivePassiveProfits.com

      ...the compromise we made. We decided to pick a number that would be fair to us and to the market that supported us for so long.
      We decided to make 199 slots available to use this software.
      Two hundred was the basic idea, but 199 sounds a little bit more interesting.
      The idea is…
      that we do not want this kind of software getting into the wrong hands.
      Just because certain sports cars can do 130 miles per hour on a residential road doesn’t mean you should use them that way.



      There’s no telling what some black hat acrobat could do if they steal the software and thousands of people are all running it at the same time.
      That’s why we feel that 199 are enough for those of you who want success badly enough to get a chance to have this software change your life.
      It’s not too much to let the cat completely out of the bag.
      That was a bit of a tangent about why we’re strictly limiting access to this to 199 people and no more.
      I bought the product including the mass deploy and I am disappointed with what I hear about the number of copies.

      We could eventually hit a saturation point and I don't think there will be any incoming profits after that.
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      • Profile picture of the author neodarth
        Originally Posted by Tamara Watts View Post

        I bought the product including the mass deploy and I am disappointed with what I hear about the number of copies.

        We could eventually hit a saturation point and I don't think there will be any incoming profits after that.
        I don't think that this will be saturated any time soon. There are thousands of niches to market and millions of keywords to target.
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      • Profile picture of the author davidyair
        I bought the product and was very dissapointed. I feel i have learned a little bit though about what value there is in doing the work to build a real valuable site as an asset to my business rather than spammy autoblogs. The customer service was terrible. The forum link they gave me in my sign up email now goes to an error page from bluehost. (Although he promotes hostgator) The whole thing stinks. Dont waste your time and money. Build real sites and learn the seo and link building and get real traffic and sales. I'm refunding.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jimp1
        How many, and what are the Upsells. What does each cost and what does it do. If anyone knows please post.
        I hate upsels because to me, after you've bought for X Dollars, to then be told that you should have an additional piece or pieces to get the most out of the software(though Not required), is a misleading and not trustworthy tactic in itself.
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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      Originally Posted by depotgang View Post

      hey everyone... I am sorry about the download issue and all. But everything is fine now. I hope you enjoyed the video on me building the sites. Here is another video of what the software is

      YouTube - What is Massive Passive Profits

      There are always problems with product launched. I had no clue we would sell 5,000 copies of the software in 3 days. This put a huge strain on our system bringing our huge dedicated server down. I had to move everything to a cloud based server in the middle of the launch. What a mess....

      This blogging platform flat our works like a dream. Today it is 9:30am PST and we have build several hundred sites already.

      I wish I had more time to respond...but i am very busy.

      Good luck all
      Bill,

      ... Because you weren't supposed to. How do you explain this? (taken directly from your sales page):

      - We decided to make 199 slots available to use this software.
      - Two hundred was the basic idea, but 199 sounds a little bit more interesting.
      - That’s why we feel that 199 are enough for those of you who want success badly enough to get a chance to have this software change your life.
      - That was a bit of a tangent about why we’re strictly limiting access to this to 199 people and no more.
      - As you can tell by how few people we’re letting actually purchase this, we are not in this to make a whole lot of money off this launch.

      :confused:

      Despite the discrepancy in your sales letter vs what you just revealed in your post, I am looking forward to seeing this system in action. I'm still waiting for my new domain to propogate.

      While the instructions recommend a dedicated server, I presume it's okay to start out on any host account that allows certain capabilities for the system to work. This is important for people with low budgets to know.

      I'm using my low-cost hosting service which does allow those things - as far as I've been told.

      For those who are concerned re this, I say try it on whatever host you have that fits the criteria - with just one blog system. Once you get it up and running and you see how well it works and how much money you can make, then consider going to a Reseller or Dedicated Server which are both suggested options in the program. The Reseller is nowhere near the cost of a dedicated server.

      Bill, you can correct me if I'm wrong.

      Your system certainly seems to meet my criteria - of getting content onto my blogs in different niches without having to work so hard to do so - and to have some sort of traffic generation system in place to make it all work.

      I'm really looking forward to my first installation and the results it can bring.

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    • Profile picture of the author raycowie
      This "Network Admin" is driving me nuts. I have to keep going between the profile admin and network admin just to upload a plugin/theme etc. Please don't tell me to do it all in profile admin, because it doesn't work like that!!

      Also, could anybody tell me where to get the Talian-adsense-clickbank-seo-05 theme or is that another thing to pay for? Unless there's a similar theme you could use instead?

      PM me please, as it takes all day to find posts on this thread!

      Thanks,

      Ray

      p.s. The training video advises us to use a specific keyword tool, but apparently it's in beta phase and you can only get it by invitation? So how do you get it and more's the point, HOW MUCH IS THAT?
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      • Profile picture of the author neodarth
        Originally Posted by raycowie View Post

        This "Network Admin" is driving me nuts. I have to keep going between the profile admin and network admin just to upload a plugin/theme etc. Please don't tell me to do it all in profile admin, because it doesn't work like that!!

        Also, could anybody tell me where to get the Talian-adsense-clickbank-seo-05 theme or is that another thing to pay for? Unless there's a similar theme you could use instead?

        PM me please, as it takes all day to find posts on this thread!

        Thanks,

        Ray

        p.s. The training video advises us to use a specific keyword tool, but apparently it's in beta phase and you can only get it by invitation? So how do you get it and more's the point, HOW MUCH IS THAT?
        The Talian Adsense is wordpress theme that you need to buy, is not included and is for another developer.

        Talian is a good theme, but I'm not so sure if this will work with MPP, because it comes with a "default" adsense ID and clickbank name (WTF is that??) that means is you miss one of your sites to change that ID with yours guess who gets the money for the clicks and CB commissions?

        The keyword tool, you can use the Google keyword tool with results as goods as with any other paid tool.
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        • Profile picture of the author rajivkumar900
          Originally Posted by neodarth View Post

          The Talian Adsense is wordpress theme that you need to buy, is not included and is for another developer.

          Talian is a good theme, but I'm not so sure if this will work with MPP, because it comes with a "default" adsense ID and clickbank name (WTF is that??) that means is you miss one of your sites to change that ID with yours guess who gets the money for the clicks and CB commissions?

          The keyword tool, you can use the Google keyword tool with results as goods as with any other paid tool.
          you can easily replace adsense links and clickbank id in stallion theme..i have already bought that theme and its really good theme for adsense.
          Thansk.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dailybread
        Massive passive profits first came out before Christmas in 2010. Bill McCrea sales letter said "only 197 to be sold. Because I like the number." They sold as many as possible, which was heaps,set up a forum for the hundreds of dissatisfied customers. Closed the forum down because of hundreds of dissatisfied customers. Achieved a refund rate on Clickbank of around 83% from memory. Of which I was one. Difficult. Definitely NOT newbie friendly. Little to no support provided. Autoblogging, autoscraping, auto sites. Lots of upsells, can't remember exactly how many.
        This is to be avoided like the plague. IMHO.
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  • Profile picture of the author depotgang
    The videos I did above was done quickly. You want to make sure you have a time to build solid subdomains. Logical exstension of the root domain. For example.

    I have a domain named http://electricguitarbrands.com/

    the subdomains are

    FenderElectricGuitar.electricguitarbrands.com
    GibsonElectricGuitar.electricguitarbrands.com

    I guess it is just easier to criticize then simply understand the power of this software.

    Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author PanamaRex
      Originally Posted by depotgang View Post

      The videos I did above was done quickly. You want to make sure you have a time to build solid subdomains. Logical exstension of the root domain. For example.

      I have a domain named Electric Guitar Brands

      the subdomains are

      FenderElectricGuitar.electricguitarbrands.com
      GibsonElectricGuitar.electricguitarbrands.com

      I guess it is just easier to criticize then simply understand the power of this software.

      Good luck
      Thank you for your response.

      How are you addressing the duplicate penalty issue?

      I know some people say it doesn't exist, but I once create an article directory/autoblog and after after about 6 months of decent adsense earnings ... all I was doing was making a directory of articles similar to ezinearticles.com and the entire domain was delisted from google.

      All that work ... Up in flames.

      Does your program somehow add some uniqueness to the content?
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    • Profile picture of the author yossic
      In Bill's defense, let me tell you that the "base" product is quite nice. As I was using it, I quickly realized that what is really need it the upsell ($197) that given a CSV file auto creates all these sites for you. The upsell is called Mass Deploy. I purchased it and gave it a spin.

      1) I was able to create 150+ sites in under 10 minutes. They are all sub-domains of the main site.

      2) When using the upsell you loose some of the flexibility that you have in "manual" mode. For example, all campaigns for a given site will run on the same schedule, whereas in manual mode you could set things up so that videos get posted once a day, articles every 9 hours and Amazon products every 13 hours. With the mass deploy tool you don't have that flexibility.

      3) In manual mode you are able to assign categories to each campaign. For example, your Amazon campaign can be assigned to the "Books and Accessories" category and your You-Tube campaign can be assigned to the "Videos about xxx" category. That flexibility is gone in the Mass Deploy upsell.

      4) Even though all these sites are created with scheduled campaigns, they simply don't work. I only get posts in my main site and not in any of the sub domains.

      5) Every single subdomain is created with that dreadful Hello World post. If you want to get rid of it you need to into each one and delete it.

      6) Here is the worst part. Bill had a users forum where all members were able to exchange ideas and glitch fixes. The forum is gone and instead he replaced it with an outsourced ticketing system. It's awful! They simply don't respond to your tickets! I must have posted 7 tickets, 2 of which where asking for the forum to be brought back. The only replies I got where to the ones regarding the forum. In other words, they are incapable of helping you out with technical issues!

      Overall I think that it is a good product, only if it were to work! I am a software developer and a director of software development. For us, process automation is extremely important and that is why I was attracted to this product.

      My suggestion to you all is that if you do want to try it out, do so but stay away from the upsell until they get all the glitches worked out.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
        Originally Posted by yossic View Post

        Overall I think that it is a good product, only if it were to work!
        I try to understand where your coming from as I have recently delt with a large programming project myself which has opened my eyes to some of the headaches involved...so in some very small way I do uderstand this and apply it to this particular product.

        Having said that, like you say...."only if it were to work". It's hard to be a good product if it doesn't work. There in lies (in this case that refers to both meanings) the problem.

        If the product actually worked well and the customer service was decent I could almost forgive the out right lie on the sales page as to the number being sold (which is part of the draw to the system)...but since it doesn't work and the CS sucks...well I think you see my point.
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        • Profile picture of the author ebookjl
          I tried for 3.5 weeks to make this product work for me. My support tickets were ignored or erased with no action. I tried to make it work but this is not a product for a newbie or even someone with a little knowledge.

          I followed all the recommendations, bought most of the upgrades. Finally at my wits end I contacted one of the recommended support people. It would have cost me another 100 dollars to make this product work. I do not despise his fee but I do not see why I would have to pay 100 dollars more to get this to work.

          There is the possibility of great potential with the product but with the customer service as it is and the take down of the forum because it was bogging down their server - it was too much to handle. My patience ran out I finally put in for a refund.

          Just as a thought for any who might be considering buying this product, be very careful. I do not know what I could have done differently.
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      • Profile picture of the author cjr126
        to me i just love the fact the initial payment for the main part of the program costs $47 but the upsell costs $197 (4x more) and based on the fact that the entire point of purchasing the product is to have everything automated than you are really left with no choice but to buy the upsell ... if you don't than the product is virtually worthless

        the nicest touch though was bill removing the forum ... now that was a real class deal ... a strain on the servers or maybe it was that there were no positive comments being posted

        they actually banned me from posting comments like 2 days after i bought the program

        i'm just so happy i got a refund ... mpp might be the worst launch ever in internet marketing history
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        • Profile picture of the author John Reed
          I bought this product 2 days ago - and now having read this entire thread I feel like a "lamb led to the slaughter".

          I still want to give this system a trial as it does really appeal to me - I have long wanted to be able to set up Multi Blogs like this. However, I didn't understand why there was no Forum at the Forum URL, just a set of seemingly sound training videos.

          My main stumbling block is that having paid for the main program and the upsell "Mass Deploy" I can't find out how to access the Plug In Downloads - can anyone tell me where they are? I have submitted a Support Ticket asking this but it appears that I may not get a reply (judging from the experiences listed in here!).

          I too decry the silly Sales Scarcity Pitch, and the lack of support (I slated CB Predator for similar reasons) but as this product "promises" to provide something I've wanted for a while I am reluctant to drop it without giving it a bash........
          BUT without the Plug Ins I can't get any further down the road.

          If anyone can help me out here I'd appreciate it - I can always reply to a PM with a copy of my Clickbank receipt in case anyone is concerned that I might be a freeloader!

          I am disappointed that MPP has turned out this way, I had a good opinion of Bill McRea until I spent ages reading all this, but now I am concerned - I hate to see so much Hype mixed with a total lack of customer support. I have yet to test this myself so I won't give up yet (I may get a quick and helpful reply to my support ticket) but I didn't feel that Jason Parker added anything worthwhile to the discussion in the posts that I saw earlier this evening....... it's taken me ages to go through all this!!!

          Ah Well, I'll work on remaining positive until forced to change my views!!
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          • Profile picture of the author yossic
            Originally Posted by John Reed View Post

            My main stumbling block is that having paid for the main program and the upsell "Mass Deploy" I can't find out how to access the Plug In Downloads - can anyone tell me where they are? I have submitted a Support Ticket asking this but it appears that I may not get a reply (judging from the experiences listed in here!).
            The download links are the second and third links on the page. They are right under
            Bookmark this web page so you can come back to it

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            • Profile picture of the author John Reed
              Originally Posted by yossic View Post

              The download links are the second and third links on the page. They are right under
              Bookmark this web page so you can come back to it
              Du-u-u-u-u-u-h........... sorry, I had bookmarked the "Forum" page over the top of the correct Home Page thinking that was the main training page.

              When I couldn't see what you described I certainly had one of those "Oh-you-silly-sod!" moments!

              Got them now and have a couple of hours to try them out (once I've sorted out another site that I have just found Hacked by some tosser from Kurdistan (or maybe anywhere!!).

              Come On Bill - Give Us Some Reassurance!!!

              Thanks for your help, it's often the little slips that can bring whole armies to their knees!

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          • Profile picture of the author bradlean
            Originally Posted by John Reed View Post

            I bought this product 2 days ago - and now having read this entire thread I feel like a "lamb led to the slaughter".

            I still want to give this system a trial as it does really appeal to me - I have long wanted to be able to set up Multi Blogs like this. However, I didn't understand why there was no Forum at the Forum URL, just a set of seemingly sound training videos.

            My main stumbling block is that having paid for the main program and the upsell "Mass Deploy" I can't find out how to access the Plug In Downloads - can anyone tell me where they are? I have submitted a Support Ticket asking this but it appears that I may not get a reply (judging from the experiences listed in here!).

            I too decry the silly Sales Scarcity Pitch, and the lack of support (I slated CB Predator for similar reasons) but as this product "promises" to provide something I've wanted for a while I am reluctant to drop it without giving it a bash........
            BUT without the Plug Ins I can't get any further down the road.

            If anyone can help me out here I'd appreciate it - I can always reply to a PM with a copy of my Clickbank receipt in case anyone is concerned that I might be a freeloader!

            I am disappointed that MPP has turned out this way, I had a good opinion of Bill McRea until I spent ages reading all this, but now I am concerned - I hate to see so much Hype mixed with a total lack of customer support. I have yet to test this myself so I won't give up yet (I may get a quick and helpful reply to my support ticket) but I didn't feel that Jason Parker added anything worthwhile to the discussion in the posts that I saw earlier this evening....... it's taken me ages to go through all this!!!

            Ah Well, I'll work on remaining positive until forced to change my views!!
            John O'York



            Guess that massive passive plugin it's just a hype or bunch of lies.

            Just read the post of yossic.

            Anyway, charge to experience. Lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
    Personally if you’re going to ask the product owner questions and he is replying here in the thread I think I would ask him why he had server problems at all if he was supposedly only selling 200 copies....especially when he himself states he didn't expect to sell 5000 copies in 3 days.

    It's this kind of blatant lie that gives IM a bad name in general and in my opinion it's even worse when it's done against our own kind.

    I'm sure the product does some amazing things and from the sounds of it (based on some of the user reviews), it just might...but what I really have a problem with is the shady marketing approach. I find it very difficult to trust someone when they've obviously lied straight to my face!
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    • Profile picture of the author kellyburdes
      When TV commercials call for action by saying something is offered for the next five minutes only, or next hour, but two hours later you call and still get it, do you get all bent out of shape?

      Personally I don't use false scarcity because there are all kinds of great ways to build legit scarcity into your launch if you spend the time to think about it - and they actually work much better!...but....the idea of "limited supplies" and "the next hour", etc etc is as old as the hills. In other words, it's a MARKETING concept (one they actually teach you to use at universities in marketing classes in fact) ....it's by no means "exclusive" to IM.



      Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

      Personally if you're going to ask the product owner questions and he is replying here in the thread I think I would ask him why he had server problems at all if he was supposedly only selling 200 copies....especially when he himself states he didn't expect to sell 5000 copies in 3 days.

      It's this kind of blatant lie that gives IM a bad name in general and in my opinion it's even worse when it's done against our own kind.

      I'm sure the product does some amazing things and from the sounds of it (based on some of the user reviews), it just might...but what I really have a problem with is the shady marketing approach. I find it very difficult to trust someone when they've obviously lied straight to my face!
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      • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
        Originally Posted by kellyburdes View Post

        When TV commercials call for action by saying something is offered for the next five minutes only, or next hour, but two hours later you call and still get it, do you get all bent out of shape?
        Originally Posted by kellyburdes View Post

        Personally I don't use false scarcity because there are all kinds of great ways to build legit scarcity into your launch if you spend the time to think about it - and they actually work much better!...but....the idea of "limited supplies" and "the next hour", etc etc is as old as the hills. In other words, it's a MARKETING concept (one they actually teach you to use at universities in marketing classes in fact) ....it's by no means "exclusive" to IM.
        Interesting you would pick my comments about this part of the discussion (from over 9 months ago) out of all those that said something similar to take issue with but I will certainly address your question since I happen to stop by and noticed your remarks.

        First I would like to state that I am not a product owner…yet, but when I am, this will not be a tactic I use…even if it costs me sales. I’m sure some out there would say I was crazy for not going that route but my reputation is more important to me than a few extra bucks.

        Now, on to your question…

        You ask me If I "get bent all out of shape" when a TV commercial does what you described. The answer is no but there is a good reason for that...

        Everyone knows that tactic with TV commercials and expects it. And before you say that everyone knows this happens in IM I will stop you by saying that there is a difference in creating a little scarcity and putting an exact number on a products release in terms of "limited sales" and then blowing that number clean out of the water in the first day and never looking back, just keep on selling like it's cool or something. Everyone knows a lot of product sellers use scarcity but that isn't putting a limit on the maximum number of sales and then knowingly exceeding that number and worse yet by the appearances of it (since they kept on selling it after they admitted to passing the initial number), they most likely had no intention of actually limiting the sales to begin with. That’s where the real rub is…

        Think about this for a minute from the perspective of Joe Public Citizen…then ask yourself if you still wonder why IM has a bad reputation.

        Take this post by Dailybread:

        Originally Posted by Dailybread View Post


        Massive passive profits first came out before Christmas in 2010. Bill McCrea sales letter said "only 197 to be sold. Because I like the number." They sold as many as possible, which was heaps,set up a forum for the hundreds of dissatisfied customers. Closed the forum down because of hundreds of dissatisfied customers. Achieved a refund rate on Clickbank of around 83% from memory. Of which I was one. Difficult. Definitely NOT newbie friendly. Little to no support provided. Autoblogging, autoscraping, auto sites. Lots of upsells, can't remember exactly how many.
        This is to be avoided like the plague. IMHO.
        Look at what the post is really saying…essentially that there were hundreds of dissatisfied customers. Do you think that it’s possible that some of those customers were dissatisfied because of the number of sales (as well as the product itself simply not delivering) when they expected to have access to a top class product they were told would be limited in terms of release?

        Before you choose to get snippy with someone for stating what they think (as well as many others thought) about a marketers obviously intentional lie maybe you should take a step back and think about it first. Then when you're done thinking about it spend a few minutes to read this thread...actually read it...and you will discover there were MANY others who weren't happy about the intentional overselling and mileasding sales page.

        Also...

        If re-reading this thread isn't enough for you then take a look at this one that discusses this very topic.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-not-fair.html

        See what others (besides myself) think about these types of tactics and then go in there and ask them all the same question you asked me...and see how well thats received.

        Best of luck with your IM!
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  • Profile picture of the author Droopy Dawg
    Duplicate content isn't an issue... but Copyright violations are. I had an autoblog that was pulling from an article directory... lets call it "ab.com".

    I received an email from my hosting company that my account had been suspended due to a copyright violation, and they shut down ALL of my sites... I have over 50 on this one hosting account, which includes all of my niche sites and business sites as well as clients websites.

    I couldn't really "raise hell" about it because I violated their T.O.S. by having an article that was copyright protected... but I had no idea because it was pulled automatically from ab.com.

    I merely had to remove the article before they would re-activate my account, but had I not been in my email when I received the notice... my sites could have been down for a LONG time.

    Just giving you guys a heads up about my experience with autoblogging... I still may buy this product and put it to use, but I may need to get another hosting account because I don't want my sites shut down again.

    Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

    Personally if you’re going to ask the product owner questions and he is replying here in the thread I think I would ask him why he had server problems at all if he was supposedly only selling 200 copies....especially when he himself states he didn't expect to sell 5000 copies in 3 days.


    Its scarcity... everybody does it. Lie? yes... but that is an age-old tactic.
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    • Profile picture of the author PanamaRex
      Originally Posted by Droopy Dawg View Post

      Duplicate content isn't an issue... but Copyright violations are. I had an autoblog that was pulling from an article directory... lets call it "ab.com".

      I received an email from my hosting company that my account had been suspended due to a copyright violation, and they shut down ALL of my sites... I have over 50 on this one hosting account, which includes all of my niche sites and business sites as well as clients websites.

      I couldn't really "raise hell" about it because I violated their T.O.S. by having an article that was copyright protected... but I had no idea because it was pulled automatically from ab.com.

      I merely had to remove the article before they would re-activate my account, but had I not been in my email when I received the notice... my sites could have been down for a LONG time.

      Just giving you guys a heads up about my experience with autoblogging... I still may buy this product and put it to use, but I may need to get another hosting account because I don't want my sites shut down again.
      Well, I was talking about getting delisted from the SERPs. I had an article directory with over 50,000 articles (no copyright violations) in which I was earning decent adsense before Google delisted the entire site ... no reason given.

      The only reason I could think of was duplicate content from the author submissions. I did nothing else wrong.

      I was a little worried the same thing might happen with autoblogging.
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      • Profile picture of the author Droopy Dawg
        Originally Posted by PanamaRex View Post

        Well, I was talking about getting delisted from the SERPs. I had an article directory with over 50,000 articles (no copyright violations) in which I was earning decent adsense before Google delisted the entire site ... no reason given.

        The only reason I could think of was duplicate content from the author submissions. I did nothing else wrong.

        I was a little worried the same thing might happen with autoblogging.
        Some people are a little more guarded about their content than others. I used a guy's article from EZA on one of my sites, and I included EVERYTHING... including the resource box links. he emailed me about it, and I removed it. No need in getting into some petty argument when I was fully within my rights thru EZA's TOS, but some folks are like that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by Droopy Dawg View Post


      Its scarcity... everybody does it. Lie? yes... but that is an age-old tactic.
      Selling drugs to kids is an age-old tactic too, but that doesn't make it right. It's not scarcity, it is a lie. And based on that lie, you have to wonder what else he's lying about. Not only that, reading the sales letter alone should make you wonder if he really knows what he's talking about. The "Google Test" is a joke, lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author lefty359
    The guidelines of Ezine Articles CLEARLY gives you the right to use their articles if you include all the links. But if you had a disgruntled author, I would have done the same, and removed his article but I would have also reminded him of Ez's guidelines. He shouldn't be posting articles there if he doesn't want them syndicated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
    I realize scarcity is part of the game and in some ways I understand it...doesnt mean I have to agree with it! If a marketer at all intended to actually (even partially) make something scarce and "inadvertantly" over sold a few copy's / memberships or whatever that would be one thing but to say you're only offering 200 and then sell 5000 in the first 3 days...well that's just rediculous...tha'ts 25 times what he advertised, think about that...that goes way beyond scarcity marketing in my book.

    Just my 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author Silent Warrior
    So I bought this today and checked out all the videos, etc.

    Overall I think its a pretty good product and I'm sure the videos would be helpful to those unfamiliar with setting up hosting, a multi-site network and sub-domains.

    But I've got to be honest here, the basic program doesn't offer anything that seems different than setting up a MU network. You can get a free plugin to do that from the WP directory. But you still have to create each blog separately.

    I guess with the upgrade you can load many at one time, but you have to buy the upgrade. Then, you have to buy more plugins for the traffic and syndication.

    All along as I was reviewing this product I keep thinking about the MultiPress plugin that does all this stuff in one package. Plus, I think it builds its blogs without using the WP multisite which I think means it uses less resources from your host. Although I an't remember if it needs to be installed in the root directory of your hosting account.

    So, I'm really not bashing this product, its just that as a user I just feel MultiPress is better and cheaper because you can get the multiple blog set up and traffic modules in one package for the same price.

    & as far as disclosure, right I am not promoting either of these products, but I am testing both of them. At some point in the near future I will probably promote either one or both.

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    • Profile picture of the author rmoore
      I actually think that Bill is one of the good guys. My guess is that he didn't know about the 199 copy claim...someone else probably wrote the copy. Who knows?

      Anyway...I bought his Marketing on the Fringe product quite a while back. Created 10 blogs following his exact blueprint (embedded i-frame to a target money site). Each blog gets an average of 150-200 unique visitors per day all autopilot duplicate content. So a total of around 2,000 unique visitors per day.

      The embedded i-frame "call to action" gets about 5-10% clickthru...so roughly 100-150 people per day get sent to an opt-in page. Out of that amount about 50 opt-in per day. Bottom line...his Marketing on the Fringe product adds 1,500 opt-ins per month to my niche list. My guess is that product added $20,000-$30,000 to my bottom line in 2010.

      ...but a newbie wouldn't know how to leverage MOF like that. My guess is that this new system is extremely effective for people who understand the big picture. I think it is probably frustrating to guys like Bill who create something powerful...but maybe 5% of the people see the power behind it.

      While others bash a lot of these automated tools...I actually think we are spoiled for choices. If someone would use the tools and add a little creativity (and stick with something)...they would probably do extremely well.

      While I disagree with the sales pages...some of these products are actually quite impressive.

      -Rusty
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  • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
    Hey...I'm certainly not one to bash automation tools....not at all! Im ALL for them

    He may be a great guy, I don't know him personally and his products might be the next best thing since sliced bread but saying that he may not have known about the sales page and its contents...I find that very hard to believe. Even if that were true....then that's kind of sad as well. Anyone selling something (especially to fellow IM'ers...many of them newbies) should know exactly what is on their sales page, he's an internet marketer..I mean seriously. The sales page is the marketers first point of contact with the general public, it sets the tone for the relationship that follows. If the sales page is full of hype / BS / lies then I run away instantly...

    Just the way I see it.
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    • Profile picture of the author gacott
      Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

      Hey...I'm certainly not one to bash automation tools....not at all! Im ALL for them

      He may be a great guy, I don't know him personally and his products might be the next best thing since sliced bread but saying that he may not have known about the sales page and its contents...I find that very hard to believe. Even if that were true....then that's kind of sad as well. Anyone selling something (especially to fellow IM'ers...many of them newbies) should know exactly what is on their sales page, he's an internet marketer..I mean seriously. The sales page is the marketers first point of contact with the general public, it sets the tone for the relationship that follows. If the sales page is full of hype / BS / lies then I run away instantly...

      Just the way I see it.
      I agree, scarcity is one thing but this one really pushes the limits for me.

      Not bashing Bill here, but it's giving him a heck of a pass to assume that he never reads his own copy.

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    • Profile picture of the author jambaman2
      Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

      Hey...I'm certainly not one to bash automation tools....not at all! Im ALL for them
      Ok, then could you please tell me which 'automation tools' actually do what they say, without me having to buy very expensive stuff THEY SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED - like DEDICATED HOSTING?

      Feel free to PM me if this is sensitive information.


      But I have been checking into these 'automatic money' deals.
      Each one seems to have SERIOUS shortcomings, if not a total SCAM!!

      And am I really to believe I'll will have made THOUSANDS of dollars one week after buying one of these deals?

      It ALL sounds too good to be true.

      And of course, "This offer will likely be pulled at midnight!"

      Doesn't anyone tell the truth about what they are selling?

      THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH!?!


      come on folx,
      how about it?
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      • Profile picture of the author sylviad
        Originally Posted by jambaman2 View Post

        Ok, then could you please tell me which 'automation tools' actually do what they say, without me having to buy very expensive stuff THEY SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED - like DEDICATED HOSTING?

        Feel free to PM me if this is sensitive information.


        But I have been checking into these 'automatic money' deals.
        Each one seems to have SERIOUS shortcomings, if not a total SCAM!!

        And am I really to believe I'll will have made THOUSANDS of dollars one week after buying one of these deals?

        It ALL sounds too good to be true.

        And of course, "This offer will likely be pulled at midnight!"

        Doesn't anyone tell the truth about what they are selling?

        THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH!?!


        come on folx,
        how about it?
        It is important to use common sense when looking for online opportunities. Any system that claims you will make thousands of dollars in weeks cannot be believed, unless it is illegal. Think about it. A lot must go into the plan before you can expect such a lofty return.

        As much as I hate to use trite phrases, always remember: "if it sounds too good to be true..."

        As far as truthfulness, marketers who use those tactics get away with it by choosing their words carefully. It pays for the buyer to learn what to look for, phrases that include things like:

        "...you can make $XXXXX..." (doesn't mean you WILL - it means anything is possible)

        And never forget to check the fine print on such claims, otherwise known as DISclaimers. (We offer no guarantee that you will achieve this level of income or that you will make any money using this system....)

        As far as MPP goes, I now wonder (based on some things I've read on these forums) that their system would be effective in the long term. It depends what you want in your business. Are you looking to build a significant one that will pour money into your bank account on auto pilot 5-10 years or even 2 years down the road? Or are you content to make quick cash as long as the system works for you (which could be 2 months or 12 months)?

        Systems like this WILL work but for how long? That's one important question. Read carefully what the seller tells you about his or her success using it. Ask questions prior to purchase. Consider things like:
        1. how long did it take you to see results from this system?
        2. how much work was involved, and is it truly automatic?
        3. what products were you promoting to test the system?
        4. how many different types of products/services did you test on the system?
        5. was it equally effective in all?
        6. are you still seeing results from your initial setups?
        7. are those results the same, less or better?
        8. how long have you been running those offers on this system?
        9. what other costs can I expect to incur to make your system work?
        10. is your product complete, providing everything you need other than such things as hosting and domain purchases?
        These are just some of the questions to consider when looking at a system like this one, or any other for that matter.

        Read between the lines. Try to determine what is NOT being said. Don't fall into the trap of believing everything you read.

        Sales graphics tell you nothing, so you can pretty much ignore them. They do not reveal the products or the system being used. For all you know they could be receiving money from multiple sources outside the system. Plus, sales graphics can be doctored. (Even though it's illegal for them to do so, some people don't care as long as it makes them sales.)

        This is just a starting point. Think about what you want to achieve and how this product will help you to get there. Check their forum (if possible) to see what others are asking and then do your own research into what's needed and what it will cost over and above this system.

        Do a comparison check with similar systems to gather added information on these methods. You want to look beyond what they're telling you. Look behind the scenes at just HOW they work and what you can realistically expect from each, before making your decision.

        Buyer beware is a phrase that's been around forever, and it is very true. Always remember that the seller's top priority is always: Make Money and Lots Of It. Your top priority is always: Investigate Offers From All Angles Before Diving In.

        Hope this helps... someone.

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        • Profile picture of the author jambaman2
          Originally Posted by sylviad View Post

          Systems like this WILL work but for how long? That's one important question. Read carefully what the seller tells you about his or her success using it. Ask questions prior to purchase. Consider things like:
          1. how long did it take you to see results from this system?
          2. how much work was involved, and is it truly automatic?
          3. what products were you promoting to test the system?
          4. how many different types of products/services did you test on the system?
          5. was it equally effective in all?
          6. are you still seeing results from your initial setups?
          7. are those results the same, less or better?
          8. how long have you been running those offers on this system?
          9. what other costs can I expect to incur to make your system work?
          10. is your product complete, providing everything you need other than such things as hosting and domain purchases?
          These are just some of the questions to consider when looking at a system like this one, or any other for that matter.

          ...

          Sales graphics tell you nothing, so you can pretty much ignore them. They do not reveal the products or the system being used. For all you know they could be receiving money from multiple sources outside the system. Plus, sales graphics can be doctored. (Even though it's illegal for them to do so, some people don't care as long as it makes them sales.)

          ...

          Sylvia
          Thanx Sylvia,
          I truly don't believe everything I read, ESPECIALLY online(!!), but for me there's a limit to how much I can investigate, not having all THAT much experience in the first place.

          However, most of those questions you posed simply go over my head, and are beyond my capacity to persue.
          I do see what folx have to see in forums though.

          And I never trusted pay graphics from the start! I can imagine so many ways of faking such info, and with all the 'money' being made by these gurus, I wonder if there's really that much money even available in the world!
          Not for every Tom Dick and Harry the Internet Marketing guru to be getting so much anyway.

          All I can do is follow forums that have good information, look b4 I leap and be 'refund vigilante' AFTER the leap!
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          • Profile picture of the author payday911
            In my honest opinion...not really worth the effort. I tried it and there are easier things to do. My time is limited so I have to keep a short leash on what's being done and what I am getting accomplished..
            if that makes any sense..it did in my head
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            • Profile picture of the author seo2go
              Is this thing still around and being sold?

              I bought it but the link to the forum used doesn't work any more for several weeks now. Contacted support via a ticket but after many days the response didn't answer the question of make any sense at all.

              If anyone can post or pm me a link to a working forum I would appreciate it (i hope this request doesn't break any rules of this forum).
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    • Profile picture of the author novac
      Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

      Love how this thread only has a couple legit reviews.

      The rest is pretty much people trying to push their own personal ethical standards.

      Last I heard this was a PRODUCT REVIEW FORUM. Not an Ethics Forum.

      Is the product good or is it not? That is the question. I see few real answers...

      It's against the forum rules to trash others.
      Umm....yeah.
      I did find out that there are two upsells by using JV Notify, but don't know what each of them consist of. Sounds like the one that 'deploys', or 'mass' deploys with the spreadsheet, is important, but I sure don't know.

      The sales page is a bit hard to believe because of the $47 price. It talks about never having to build a single link again, and many other pro factors like syndicating & running on autopilot - making money.
      (Someone here said that we would also need WP Syndicator and more.)
      To me it sounds like the results they achieved were Also from using whatever are in the upsells. Who knows?

      In other words, $47 isn't enough for all that it's supposed to do.
      Oops, I forgot, they said they had first considered on selling it for $500.

      This forum Had been great lately about reporting whether the core product itself was worth the purchase. I heard that they're raising the price Sunday night or Monday...just wanted to know.

      Note: I used edit/find in Firefox - and video, training, instruction, tutorial, etc. don't show up on the sales page. Strange to me.
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      • Profile picture of the author antoncipri
        Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

        Discussing a lie on a sales page isn't trashing. But kudos to you for sticking up for lying, lol.
        I compeltely agree with Black Hat and RSBERG on this. This stopped me from going any further.

        As far as not talking about ethics here...are you kidding me? It's ALL about trust. Why do business with someone who you KNOW lies?

        In the sales copy they could have used "scarcity" by simply saying they don't know how long it will be available. No need to specify 199 then admit here that it's already over 5K sold in three day.

        Finally, why wasn't this on a cloud server from inception? I am certainly no expert in this area but if they are making over 100k per month spend a few more bucks and go with the best?
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  • Profile picture of the author Melody
    I bought the product this evening - and the upsell - and I have to be honest - sitting there and having to create a csv file is NOT my idea of pushing a couple of buttons, which is what the video said for the upsell - the upsell video made it sound as though it was totally automated.

    As to the number sold - WHOA! I don't think the comments about 5,000 being sold are bashing because the limited number to be sold was a major part of the sales pitch! 199 slots were to be filled - and Bill comes here and says 5,000 were sold. The fact that the software was NOT limited is indeed a part of the entire program and deserves to be commented on in the review.

    I haven't installed it yet, but have gone through the videos, and intend to set-up my first project tomorrow, but I am so not thrilled about the csv file.

    I bought his Twittenator a couple of weeks ago - and it totally rocks - will be back to let you know about this one - but it is not as 'automated' as I was hoping for.

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    • Profile picture of the author mistermint
      Well, just got through the sales video and then did my usual thing that's pop over here and see what folk are saying about the system..

      The one thing that concerns me is that, one of these days the big G is going to slap a lot of blogs in the face because, there has just been a total explosion of auto blogs all pulling content from the same places like eza and go articles etc...

      Running around 120 sites with about 80% being auto blogs makes me wonder about how good my business model really is and do I need to create another bunch of sites along the same lines..

      The sales video does push the point that only 200 units will be sold and now we read here that 5k were sold on launch day..

      Given the size of the internet and the diversity of each niche it probably won't matter if they sell 10k this week..

      Looking through my own sites and trying to evaluate earnings and from where the money came..I happened to notice one site I set up a year or so ago with Hyper VRE has made about 400$ and I've not touched it since it went live..I'm using the paid version but, you can do it for free with more work..I know people who are making 30K to 40K monthly with the same system..

      IMO: While this may be the best thing since sliced bread reading the reviews then, it needs a lot more time and money investment and tweaking to get the benefit from it..

      Will be interesting to see more warrior reviews in time...though, the sales page earnings make it very tempting indeed..

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  • Profile picture of the author novac
    neodarth,
    Are you sure about dedicated hosting? "Hostgator dedicated server hosting $ 174 /month"
    That's the con for me, otherwise I'd probably go for it. To my knowledge in his Never Fail Listbuilding course he only emphasized having and using reseller hosting which was a Good thing.
    Anyone else?
    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author gacott
      Originally Posted by novac View Post

      neodarth,
      Are you sure about dedicated hosting? "Hostgator dedicated server hosting $ 174 /month"
      That's the con for me, otherwise I'd probably go for it. To my knowledge in his Never Fail Listbuilding course he only emphasized having and using reseller hosting which was a Good thing.
      Anyone else?
      Thanks
      If I were to buy I would try it out on my reseller account first. I think I'd only need a dedicated box if I scaled to 1000s of sites.

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      • Profile picture of the author 1lov1
        i didnt buy this product so correct me if i am wrong but isnt this WPMU method essentially what Keith Baxter's "secret" autoblog method was with the big $2000 Epic Traffic product he did....ill be interested to see how long this subdomain/wpmu strategy lasts as its has become widely used for a while among autobloggers.
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        • Profile picture of the author novac
          Originally Posted by 1lov1 View Post

          i didnt buy this product so correct me if i am wrong but isnt this WPMU method essentially what Keith Baxter's "secret" autoblog method was with the big $2000 Epic Traffic product he did....ill be interested to see how long this subdomain/wpmu strategy lasts as its has become widely used for a while among autobloggers.
          Yes, it is, but this looks much simpler. Keith's part of the Epic system had more software components, including an article spinner that on one webinar Keith said it produced super quality articles, and elsewhere that they were very poor quality articles. ?
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          • Profile picture of the author lonicera
            so I read all the posts here.. but still didn't get it...
            if you buy the complete product with all the upsells you get an automation tool that allows you to easily build 100s of blogs on subdomains, right?

            Since all of you who saw the product didn't find any traffic solutions in it, I was wondering what happens with all the blogs after they are created?
            Are they ranking anywhere? How do we promote them and get visitors to the blogs? What about tracking scripts, google analytics for those blogs?

            Is there an autoposter included in the plugin to add fresh content to the blogs? Articles, you tube, amazon?
            What keywords are the blogs targeting?
            Is there any possibility to do any on page SEO for all the blogs with the plugin?

            If I understood right, you just have to create one template on the main domain and all the other blogs are "cloned" and look the same?
            Can I Use the Thesis theme with the blogs?

            I mean, what is the purpose of building 10000 blogs if nobody ever finds them?
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            • Profile picture of the author neodarth
              I want to make clear that I have no relationship with the product owner but since I started this thread and I am actually using it, I'll try to answer your questions...

              Originally Posted by lonicera View Post

              so I read all the posts here.. but still didn't get it...
              if you buy the complete product with all the upsells you get an automation tool that allows you to easily build 100s of blogs on subdomains, right?
              Right...

              Since all of you who saw the product didn't find any traffic solutions in it, I was wondering what happens with all the blogs after they are created?
              Is true that there is no build in traffic solution which in my opinion is a bit turn off, but they suggest the use of some plugins that syndicate the content.

              Are they ranking anywhere? How do we promote them and get visitors to the blogs? What about tracking scripts, google analytics for those blogs?
              Is a downside that there is no blueprint or system that tells you what to do with those blogs after creation that's why perhaps is not suitable for newbies.
              Since the plugins are cloned by a template blog you can add tracking analytics on them.
              Is there an autoposter included in the plugin to add fresh content to the blogs? Articles, you tube, amazon?
              Yes there is a plugin very similar to wp robot that does that and is included in the software, you can create keyword based campaigns that add content from two article directories (ezinearticles and articlebase), you can add content from amazon, and videos from youtube the amount of content that will fetch depends of the keyword you put.

              What keywords are the blogs targeting?
              The keywords you put on them

              Is there any possibility to do any on page SEO for all the blogs with the plugin?
              no with the plugin itself, but as you can add as many plugins as you want to your template blog, then you can edit each blog and optimize them as you wish through the site manager.

              If I understood right, you just have to create one template on the main domain and all the other blogs are "cloned" and look the same?
              Can I Use the Thesis theme with the blogs?
              Yes, you create a template with the theme, pages, tracking code, affiliate codes, and all your favorite plugins you need, then the other blogs will have the same configuration. You can use any theme, free paid custom.

              I mean, what is the purpose of building 10000 blogs if nobody ever finds them?
              There is where your job start, indexing, bookmarking, tweeting, or whatever you do to drive traffic besides SEO that will come naturally depending on the keywords you used (long tail keywords are best).

              Unfortunately the software isn't a whole system, just a software with some instructions and recommendations, I agree that with a fully "do this then do that" blueprint will be more valuable for all audiences. But seems that his market is not the beginner but the more advanced autoblogger user which surely will appreciate the value of the software (I kinda do).

              I agree that there is a contradiction in the product where the sales letter aims to the newbie lazy wealth seeker and the software aims to the average/advanced lazy autoblogger.

              As far as the accuracy of the sales letter... well these days most of them mix truth and lies some just plain lies (or should I call them alternate world truth?) that's a fact, because they target audience is people who wanted desperately to find someone to sell them a dream. And not all of them knows about WF, these are people who open their mail box with his credit card in hand.
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    • Profile picture of the author neodarth
      Originally Posted by novac View Post

      neodarth,
      Are you sure about dedicated hosting? "Hostgator dedicated server hosting $ 174 /month"
      That's the con for me, otherwise I'd probably go for it. To my knowledge in his Never Fail Listbuilding course he only emphasized having and using reseller hosting which was a Good thing.
      Anyone else?
      Thanks
      I just setting an ideal scenario, If I was continuing seriously using this software to make real money I push for a dedicated server.

      But you can use a reseller account as well, or in a smaller scale with the baby account and... I don't know 50 subdomains or so.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesdj1
    I'm just now looking over this product, and this is a bit of a peeve of mine, not a review, BUT...

    Call me paranoid, cautious, or whatever but something supposedly this powerful, as well as other auto-blogging tools, that use G's own YOUTUBE to promote it is possibly a risk in and of it's self.

    IF these product creators are doing so well with the tools, and it honestly it seems clear Bill is after checking some of this sites indexing, why not host your own videos?

    Why put them out on Youtube in the first place? It's like blowing smoke in their face. How long do we think they'll put up with it?

    Yea..maybe I'm G paranoid but at least host your own videos and give your customers a chance to profit from this thing before G pulls the plug.

    Obviously you don't need the traffic from Tube as your 5000+ sales did not come from your Tube video views.

    Just a hang up I have with guys promoting, and instructions, of these kinds of tools on Tube.

    I'm seriously looking at the full package after coming here to check reviews.
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  • Profile picture of the author Melody
    Hi All -

    Okay, I am back. Went through everything, watched the videos, and did my first installation.

    There are so many points in the sales letter that don't match up to the product, I don't even know where to begin, but the key thing for me was that I a) couldn't see where this was going to do anything to drive all of the promised traffic and b) sorry, but I don't really consider the csv file method to be a 'push button' automated way of setting up subdomains.

    The videos in the training area actually recommend a number of other premium plugins for traffic generation.

    I really, really wanted to love this as much as I love Twittenator, but for me anyway, it is not the solution that I am looking for.

    If you have never installed a WP Multisite blog though, the plugin would be a big help - but I am still not sure where the 'automated traffic' is supposed to come from with this system - and there were a lot of people asking the same thing.

    The videos are also the only training apparently, and since this seemed to attract a lot of 'newbies', it would have been nice if there had been documentation in a printed format - especially for the csv file set-up.

    Last but not least monetizing: the only way to monetize is with Amazon. Anything else apparently has to be manually added.

    I am sure that some people will love the system, but it replicates a lot of what I already have, and fell short of filling the holes in my current processes.

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  • Profile picture of the author novac
    gacott, thanks. That was what I was hoping/thinking. Since my post I've heard from a very reliable source that he recommends the higher level reseller Hostgator package, but 'ideally' a dedicated Hostgator would be best.

    jamesdj1, I've had one of those paranoid thoughts before too, but think about it. Heck, there's probably a couple of Big G's people as members in this very forum. Google is wherever they want to be to know what they want to know

    Melody, thanks for the much needed info. The traffic is probably supposed to come from the recommended plugins, and the odds from having that many sites And on carefully chosen niches.

    After looking at Bill's sites I noticed two things.
    On one of them he is building a list through an exit pop-up.
    The others - well, when I picture myself looking for information/researching, I know I'd land on one and think, "Oh, no....not another one of these sites with no info, and a lot of garbled goop with a bunch of links." How many of that type of site are there going to be out there now?
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    • Profile picture of the author Capig
      Yes well as usual I'm jumping in late, I purchased MPP a couple of days ago and I ran into a copule of problems and had to reconfigure a couple of php scripts..and after I activated the Web Traffic Genius plug in I couldn't get into the backend of any of the new sites (sub-sites) I was tryiing to create.

      So I took to the Support Forum and found a few pissed punters in there as well.. So far I didn't have problem.. but I was a bit disgruntled 1/ By the 199 sales pitch... 2/ My mate, when I told her what I was up to, told me straight away that Bill sold 5k in the first 3 days..

      It is a great tool for making a lot, of SUB-SITES off your main domain, Yes you definitely need to apply your usual SEO to drive traffic, to your sites, I personally don't know whether it is right or wrong but I do know that G doesn't look to favorably at duplicated keyword rich adsense sites and as an individual I've taken a white hat approach to my adsense sites.

      I have learned to re configure php scripts, that's got be worth the $200 odd dollars and 20 hrs I've done so far... as I already own it I will make the most of it.. do your research there are cheaper easier options and if you are a newbie.. RUN AND DON'T LOOK BACK
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      • Profile picture of the author Candle
        A little bit of good news; my refund has beed confirmed.

        To get a clinkbank refund I used this link, - ClickBank


        I hope the JVpartner who wins the $5000 for the most sales over 300units gets their money quick. :rolleyes:
        ( massivepassivejv dot com )


        If Bill was based here in the UK, I would inform the Police. They like to talk to people who obtain money by deception.

        IM's need to clean up their act or we will all loose out in the long term.
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        • Profile picture of the author Candle
          Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear; if they don't laugh they'll start to cry. But as we know, they are laughing (at us) all the way to the bank.

          I read this on the jv page:
          "I'll be honest, I got a bit tired of seeing my Clickbank account refund rate going up because other products I've promoted being less than adequate"

          Pot calling kettle black !
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          • Profile picture of the author tonywarrior2
            I agree with some of the posters in this thread. The product owners have made some fatal mistakes promoting this product, including the sales letter and the after-sales support. The whole thing has been handled really badly. Which is a great pity for everyone involved. The way this is going the product owner may very well end-up with 199 copies sold. :rolleyes:

            As for the product, I took a look at it.

            Firstly, I just can't see how long Google will miss a footprint like this:

            keyword1.mysite.com
            keyword2.mysite.com
            keyword3.mysite.com
            keyword4.mysite.com
            .
            .
            keyword100.mysite.com

            Secondly imo it's not for the inexperienced. It's not just the technical details, I think you need a view of the bigger picture to make the most out of this.

            I think it could be useful for building a small blog network for back-linking etc. and used with another product that could post content to the blogs. However if that's your thing a Ubot script could probably replicate much of the functionality.

            And ... I'm asking for a refund.
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            • Profile picture of the author tonywarrior2
              Btw, here is quote from a 'success story' posted on the forum:

              "Success Stories: I'm already making money
              Ok, the money is finally rolling in!
              I've been working quite hard over the last 3-4 days and I already created 72 sites and today I got my first adsense click - I earned 4 cents. Not a lot, but still a pretty good start.
              The only thing is, I also had to do some extra work to drive some traffic ... "
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                Originally Posted by tonywarrior2 View Post

                Btw, here is quote from a 'success story' posted on the forum:

                "Success Stories: I'm already making money
                Ok, the money is finally rolling in!
                I've been working quite hard over the last 3-4 days and I already created 72 sites and today I got my first adsense click - I earned 4 cents. Not a lot, but still a pretty good start.
                The only thing is, I also had to do some extra work to drive some traffic ... "
                :confused:

                Now thats funny....4 whole cents...I think it's time for that user to go open a new account for all those deposits!
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  • Profile picture of the author DPSikes
    Originally Posted by neodarth View Post

    Traffic comes mainly by SEO, and backlinking using some paid plugins.
    So the "68 Traffic Streams" are from other plugins you have to buy? Don't like that --

    Originally Posted by LosingMyHair View Post

    PROS
    This thing is an autoblogging dream. You can build them in a spreadsheet, upload and walk away.
    It will automatically setup unlimited subdomains (e.g. blog1.dumblogger.net, blog2.dumblogger.net, etc)
    But that's only if you buy the auto-deploy upgrade feature, right? Otherwise, you have to create each sub-domain blog manually, correct?

    Originally Posted by Silent Warrior View Post

    So, I'm really not bashing this product, its just that as a user I just feel MultiPress is better and cheaper because you can get the multiple blog set up and traffic modules in one package for the same price.
    So you're testing both but haven't decided which is a better value? I'd be interested in that - just went and looked at MuliPress because of your comment and it looks very comprehensive. Is it easy to use?

    Originally Posted by Netafile View Post

    Neodarth, I did the math. You were off by a decimal point!
    10,000 blogs at $0.1 day x 30 days = $3,000 / month
    Uh...Netafile? Look again. YOU'RE the one off by a decimal point.

    Neodarth's math:
    10,000 blogs x $0.10 day x 30 days = $30,000 / month

    Netafile's math:
    10,000 blogs x $0.01 day x 30 days = $3,000 / month

    Don't want to split hairs, but that one kind of slapped me --
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  • Profile picture of the author Calvin Tan
    Hi,

    So does any1 make $ from blogs throu MPP? Will it be ban by google due to the autoblogging software & PLR articles posted onto the blog? I wish to find out more before I make any purchase
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    • Profile picture of the author DPSikes
      Three more questions:

      1. It said it works in up to 40 niches; does that mean you can use it in 40 niches of YOUR choice, or are they 40 niches pre-defined by the software?

      2. It says you can monetize it using Amazon, Adwords, and Clickbank; can you use another widget to promote your own products?

      3. I'm with Calvin Tan - anyone making $1,000's a week with this? Or any money at all?

      Just curious --

      Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author Melody
        Originally Posted by DPSikes View Post

        Three more questions:

        1. It said it works in up to 40 niches; does that mean you can use it in 40 niches of YOUR choice, or are they 40 niches pre-defined by the software?

        2. It says you can monetize it using Amazon, Adwords, and Clickbank; can you use another widget to promote your own products?

        3. I'm with Calvin Tan - anyone making $1,000's a week with this? Or any money at all?

        Just curious --

        Thanks!
        As near as I can tell - the 40 niches are the Amazon categories. Clickbank and Adsense have to be added in with other outside plugins - in fact, one of the videos tells you that you will have to search and find the Adsense plugin that you like the best - I admit I stopped the video at that point and did not even bother hearing what he was going to tell me about adding Clickbank.

        And the themes that they recommend are all premium themes that you have to buy - he uses Talian in the demos.

        Basically - other than Amazon, you WILL be using other plugins to monetize your blogs because only Amazon is included in their system.

        And a number of people on their forum are asking about the 68 traffic sources...and there has been no answer as of an hour ago.

        I would also like to know about the Web 2.0 properties that it will automatically find and the linking and syndication - I see nothing in the system that will do this on it's own yet........

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  • Profile picture of the author JR Rich
    I recently purchased this system and am more than pleased with it. It is exactly what I've been searching for ... literally, for years!

    First off, a word about the sales page. Yes, it does have false scarcity built-in ... but then I assumed it was when I first read it. That seems to be the default these days for copywriters. Unfortunate, but "it is what it is", to quote Tony Soprano. Too bad, because the positives of the system don't really need this sort of "Hook" to bring people in.

    As far as traffic is concerned, my biggest answer to that is ...

    Who cares?

    The goal here is to create a gigantic 'ocean' of blog sites that just get a trickle of traffic and profits each. You're not trying to make a killing on a single site.

    There have been many autoblogging solutions released over the years that attempted this same strategy. They all were lacking because of two serious problems ...

    1. Each blog you created cost you a domain name. So, to create a hundred blogs would cost you around $1,000. Too expensive to mass produce on any serious scale.
    2. The maintenance of said blogs added up to significant personal time rather quickly. Unless you outsourced from the very beginning, you were simply creating a 'job' for yourself.
    The Massive Passive Profit system bypasses these two major problems by utilizing the 'subdomain' model. You buy a domain once and all subdomains under it are no cost. As the domain owner, you have full control and authority to create as many subdomains as you see fit. Brilliant!

    I know that this profit model works. I've created a couple dozen blogs over the years that I have since forgotten about. But these 'orphaned' sites regularly bring in about $40 to $60 a week in income. And, I do absolutely NO promoting of them whatsoever!

    Heck, I couldn't even give you a list of them unless I took the time to track them down! Imagine what would happen if I actually put some effort into them.

    So, when I saw the MPP sales page last week, I Knew that this was the IM model for me. I can produce the sites quickly and at no cost (other than the root domain). Even if they only average ten cents a day over time, this is automated income that I don't have to chase down with every waking second of the day!

    I'm a happy camper!

    So says the curmudgeon.
    --JR
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    • Profile picture of the author Bubba6590
      Originally Posted by jrrich814 View Post

      I recently purchased this system and am more than pleased with it. It is exactly what I've been searching for ... literally, for years!

      First off, a word about the sales page. Yes, it does have false scarcity built-in ... but then I assumed it was when I first read it. That seems to be the default these days for copywriters. Unfortunate, but "it is what it is", to quote Tony Soprano. Too bad, because the positives of the system don't really need this sort of "Hook" to bring people in.

      As far as traffic is concerned, my biggest answer to that is ...

      Who cares?

      The goal here is to create a gigantic 'ocean' of blog sites that just get a trickle of traffic and profits each. You're not trying to make a killing on a single site.

      There have been many autoblogging solutions released over the years that attempted this same strategy. They all were lacking because of two serious problems ...

      1. Each blog you created cost you a domain name. So, to create a hundred blogs would cost you around $1,000. Too expensive to mass produce on any serious scale.
      2. The maintenance of said blogs added up to significant personal time rather quickly. Unless you outsourced from the very beginning, you were simply creating a 'job' for yourself.
      The Massive Passive Profit system bypasses these two major problems by utilizing the 'subdomain' model. You buy a domain once and all subdomains under it are no cost. As the domain owner, you have full control and authority to create as many subdomains as you see fit. Brilliant!

      I know that this profit model works. I've created a couple dozen blogs over the years that I have since forgotten about. But these 'orphaned' sites regularly bring in about $40 to $60 a week in income. And, I do absolutely NO promoting of them whatsoever!

      Heck, I couldn't even give you a list of them unless I took the time to track them down! Imagine what would happen if I actually put some effort into them.

      So, when I saw the MPP sales page last week, I Knew that this was the IM model for me. I can produce the sites quickly and at no cost (other than the root domain). Even if they only average ten cents a day over time, this is automated income that I don't have to chase down with every waking second of the day!

      I'm a happy camper!

      So says the curmudgeon.
      --JR
      JR,

      I am very interested in purchasing this system and have a question for you.

      How much more did you have to spend in additional plugins and upsells?

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  • Profile picture of the author Melody
    QUOTE: First off, a word about the sales page. Yes, it does have false scarcity built-in ... but then I assumed it was when I first read it. That seems to be the default these days for copywriters. Unfortunate, but "it is what it is", to quote Tony Soprano. Too bad, because the positives of the system don't really need this sort of "Hook" to bring people in.

    Okay, so how do we separate the 'default' expectations of false scarcity from the REST of the copy? How do you apply these standards only to this one piece of the sales copy - and believe all the rest of it? The proof of income or when you get right down to it - the features and functionality of the software itself?

    Do we simply assume that the copywriter is telling a lie in one area but telling the truth everywhere else??

    Sorry, but somehow this just doesn't make a lot of sense to me......guess I am just getting cynical in my old age.

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    • Profile picture of the author JR Rich
      Well, your point is well taken. Simply put, just about any sales page is rife with dream-selling and over-hyped benefits. That is the nature of direct market selling. It's been going on ever since the first Montgomery Wards catalog back in the 1800's.

      I can only speak for myself though. I saw that this product was based on autoblogging with a way of building and maintaining them on a quasi-automated basis and I wanted to give it a try. Heck, I could always return it if it didn't work out the way i envisioned.

      I can certainly understand if MPP isn't for you - we all have to find a method of marketing that suits our own goals and work habits.

      This one suits me just fine. I hope that you find yours.

      Best,
      --JR




      Originally Posted by Melody View Post

      QUOTE: First off, a word about the sales page. Yes, it does have false scarcity built-in ... but then I assumed it was when I first read it. That seems to be the default these days for copywriters. Unfortunate, but "it is what it is", to quote Tony Soprano. Too bad, because the positives of the system don't really need this sort of "Hook" to bring people in.

      Okay, so how do we separate the 'default' expectations of false scarcity from the REST of the copy? How do you apply these standards only to this one piece of the sales copy - and believe all the rest of it? The proof of income or when you get right down to it - the features and functionality of the software itself?

      Do we simply assume that the copywriter is telling a lie in one area but telling the truth everywhere else??

      Sorry, but somehow this just doesn't make a lot of sense to me......guess I am just getting cynical in my old age.

      Melody
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  • Profile picture of the author JR Rich
    A word about blog saturation using the MPP method and how it (doesn't) affect you.

    First of all, there can be NO real saturation of this method. There are simply too many possible niches available ... each having hundreds or thousands of possible subdomains (keywords).

    Each of us can go after the same niche and still not trample on one another's territory!

    Take "Teeth Whitening" for example. This niche could be approached with root domains like ...

    • teeth whitening
    • tooth whitening
    • dental whitening
    • smile whitening
    ... you get the point.

    From there, you can go after hundreds of possible subdomains that relate to each of these root domains.

    The possibilities are simply endless!

    -JR
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  • Profile picture of the author Silent Warrior
    Hello DPSikes,

    You asked if MultiPress is easy to use. To tell the truth, its like most things. If you already have a pretty solid comprehension of how hosting and subdomains work, you should be ok. Otherwise I think this will honestly take a few hours or days to really get what's going on. This is one of the reasons I wish they had videos for the product.

    I know one thing for sure is that you absolutely need the right hosting for everything to work properly. I use Hostgator for my main sites and Skynet or SEO hosting for the others. Try Hostgator if you're just getting started and may need customer support.

    I've tried to install this stuff on 4-5 different hosts and trust me HG is the best I've found.

    Its actually pretty easy to set up wildcard subdomains in cpanel. Just click on the subdomains icon, then put an asterisk " * " in the field in front of the main domain you want to use. Save it and you're pretty much ready to use MP.

    Then you can just copy and paste a list of keywords in to create multiple blogs.

    Its not perfect, but it gets the job done as far as I'm concerned.

    But the main thing is, this is a tool. Its a piece of software. Its not going to solve all the problems in the world. Like everything else that's worthwhile it may take some time to figure it out, but once you do it can become second nature.

    Hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Melody
    SilentWarrior -

    MultiPress is a different product altogether from Massive Passive Profits, and it actually is quite easy to use.

    Just thought I would clarify - since there is indeed a product called MultiPress!

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  • Profile picture of the author Silent Warrior
    Hey Melody!

    Yeah I know MultiPress is a different product. DPSikes was referring to the fact that I mentioned both of them earlier in this thread and maybe wanted a little more info as far as comparing the two products and ease of use.

    I'm curious about your opinions and differences you've experienced with the two. I'm also going to check out that Twitternator product you mentioned earlier.

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Melody
      Originally Posted by Silent Warrior View Post

      Hey Melody!

      Yeah I know MultiPress is a different product. DPSikes was referring to the fact that I mentioned both of them earlier in this thread and maybe wanted a little more info as far as comparing the two products and ease of use.

      I'm curious about your opinions and differences you've experienced with the two. I'm also going to check out that Twitternator product you mentioned earlier.

      Thanks
      My apologies - I missed the reference to MultiPress earlier! I actually like MultiPress, as it is really very fast to set up multiple sites using WP MultiSite - and you can do multiples at a time, as well as some pretty decent rules based autoposting that can be varied to some degree.

      Traffic is built in from Scuttle and similar sites as well as RSS feeds. The RSS feeds is really one of the better features of the plugin as it creates a feed from each post and then submits it.

      On the downside - seemed to be a lot of conflicts with the various monetization plugins and other more advanced autoblogging plugins. It's been a couple of months since I really have gone through it and I know that there were some upgrades planned - don't know if they have happened yet.

      But - the sites I am using it on are doing okay for Adsense but this was something that had to manually added to each blog.

      And this is why I was so interested in MassivePassive - the 40 streams of Revenue and 68 traffic sources promised was very attractive!

      But for the price - I think MultiPress does a lot without having to buy additional bells and whistles, so I think it's time to go back and revisit it...

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      • Profile picture of the author CraigX
        Originally Posted by Melody View Post

        My apologies - I missed the reference to MultiPress earlier! I actually like MultiPress, as it is really very fast to set up multiple sites using WP MultiSite - and you can do multiples at a time, as well as some pretty decent rules based autoposting that can be varied to some degree.

        Traffic is built in from Scuttle and similar sites as well as RSS feeds. The RSS feeds is really one of the better features of the plugin as it creates a feed from each post and then submits it.

        On the downside - seemed to be a lot of conflicts with the various monetization plugins and other more advanced autoblogging plugins. It's been a couple of months since I really have gone through it and I know that there were some upgrades planned - don't know if they have happened yet.

        But - the sites I am using it on are doing okay for Adsense but this was something that had to manually added to each blog.

        And this is why I was so interested in MassivePassive - the 40 streams of Revenue and 68 traffic sources promised was very attractive!

        But for the price - I think MultiPress does a lot without having to buy additional bells and whistles, so I think it's time to go back and revisit it...

        Melody
        I purchased massive passive with mass deploy yesterday and was wondering the same thing about the 68 traffic sources. I think I have a problem with someone stating in the sales letter that it has 68 traffic sources, push button easy and only 199 will be sold then come to find out Not True.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vincenzo Oliva
    Massive Passive is really good for pumping out those autoblogs. It's basically a scaled down version of wprobot which if you ask me is too cumbersome to use. MPP makes it easy to move quickly, you grab some articles, some video, and some Amazon affiliate links. Find a good theme and plug in some adsense and clickbank, throw in a cpa banner and your in business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Melody
    I just checked the MP forum, and it looks as though they have added more vids last night - including videos on Web Traffic Genius and WP Syndication, both of which are premium add-ons that you would have to buy. I have WPS and have had good results with it, so not a problem.

    Personally, I find the many discrepancies between the sales letter and the actual product to be disheartening but what is even worse is that no one appears to be answering the many questions on the support forum. Posting a bunch of new videos is NOT the same as answering the buyer's questions and concerns directly.

    Very disappointing, and I have asked for a refund.

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  • Profile picture of the author Cisco
    Hi everyone!

    I have been completely blown off by Bill Mcrea, His Support Staff, and can't even get a confirmation email back from his suppport forum, so I can at least ask questions on the forum.

    This guy better get his customers (including me) taken care of before it's too late!

    I've even PM'd Bill. Called. Emailed. NOTHING!

    199 or 5,000......!

    Lie.... Lie... Lie....

    Misrepresentation....... Misrepresentation....... Misrepresentation.......

    Cisco

    *Even though the launch was less than tasteful, I still believe Bills intentions are to help people willing to try.
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  • Profile picture of the author Melody
    Here are two responses at the forum regarding the questions of traffic:

    Question #1: What are the 68 traffic sources mentioned:
    Answer from admin:
    68 new source...
    68 new domains created using the MPP MD software. I used aged domains
    Each site eventually has 1000 of synicated traffic sources in itself.

    Question 32: Where's the traffic come from?
    Answer from admin:
    The software does everything we claim.
    Take action


    Well, there you have it folks. Clear cut answers to the questions! Okay, I requested my refund, and am going back to my other tools and a glass of wine. It must be 5 o'clock somewhere.....

    Seriously, this meets the needs if building a bunch of multisite subdomains is your goal, but I still cannot get the questions answered about the differences between the software and the sales letter. Features mentioned in the sales letter are not mentioned anywhere at the forum or in the training vids, and I have spent enough time on this.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Williams
      Originally Posted by Melody View Post

      Here are two responses at the forum regarding the questions of traffic:

      Question #1: What are the 68 traffic sources mentioned:
      Answer from admin:
      68 new source...
      68 new domains created using the MPP MD software. I used aged domains
      Each site eventually has 1000 of synicated traffic sources in itself.

      Question 32: Where's the traffic come from?
      Answer from admin:
      The software does everything we claim.
      Take action


      Well, there you have it folks. Clear cut answers to the questions! Okay, I requested my refund, and am going back to my other tools and a glass of wine. It must be 5 o'clock somewhere.....

      Seriously, this meets the needs if building a bunch of multisite subdomains is your goal, but I still cannot get the questions answered about the differences between the software and the sales letter. Features mentioned in the sales letter are not mentioned anywhere at the forum or in the training vids, and I have spent enough time on this.

      Melody

      Melody,

      While you spend time bashing the product here you seem to have failed to notice that there are several people in the forum already making passive profits with the product.

      Speaking of misrepresentations...you have claimed that it does not come with Clickbank or Adsense monetization which is untrue. IT COMES WITH ALL THREE. No other purchases required.

      You have also claimed that it does not provide a traffic solution on its own without other purchases.

      This is ENTIRELY untrue as you would have seen had you activated the software.

      You begin getting traffic on the FIRST DAY from a variety of RSS syndications, blog search engines and a plethora of other Web 2.0 sites as well as Google and all the major search engines.

      It's not a ranking strategy this "wide net" traffic strategy DOES work...and if you crank out enough of these your bills really are paid on autopilot. I know that seems hypey but it's the reality that Bill and I enjoy because we actually use the strategies instead of complaining about them.
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      • Profile picture of the author CraigX
        Originally Posted by Mike Williams View Post

        Melody,

        While you spend time bashing the product here you seem to have failed to notice that there are several people in the forum already making passive profits with the product.

        Speaking of misrepresentations...you have claimed that it does not come with Clickbank or Adsense monetization which is untrue. IT COMES WITH ALL THREE. No other purchases required.

        You have also claimed that it does not provide a traffic solution on its own without other purchases.

        This is ENTIRELY untrue as you would have seen had you activated the software.

        You begin getting traffic on the FIRST DAY from a variety of RSS syndications, blog search engines and a plethora of other Web 2.0 sites as well as Google and all the major search engines.

        It's not a ranking strategy this "wide net" traffic strategy DOES work...and if you crank out enough of these your bills really are paid on autopilot. I know that seems hypey but it's the reality that Bill and I enjoy because we actually use the strategies instead of complaining about them.
        If you read Melody's reply's I don't think she slammed the product once. She's only points out that the software don't live up to the sales letter and I agree 100% with Melody. I went to the forum also and didn't see one respond to people asking where the 68 free traffic sources were at.

        As far as the RSS feeds your videos course recommends a person buy some pluggins which your software is what is supposed to drive the traffic according to your sales video.

        As far as all the hype in your sale video goes.

        You said only 199 copies would be sold well according to your partner over 5000 sales in 3 days were sold. This was a Lie #1

        The 68 free traffic sources. You guys tell people to go buy Web Traffic Genius and WP syndicator which are not free. Lie #2

        As far as push button automation. Lie #3 it takes a hour or so to fill out the CSV file that needs to be uploaded but I notice you have an authorized installer that just so happens to have the massive passive form filler for another $17. You should give this to your customers for free sense you state that its 100% automated

        So if you lied about all three things mentioned above how in the world can anyone trust anything else you have to say?

        One other thing Melody has 2895 responses in this forum and Ive read a lot of them and have been quite impressed with her professionalism. She don't get dirty and slam she just states the facts.
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        • Profile picture of the author Candle
          I know this is Product Review and Ratings before anyone comments.

          The sales page is part of the product, don't ever forget that.

          Why are clever people with great potential acting so stupid ?

          Refund requested !
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        • Profile picture of the author Isa
          I am not proud to admit, that I too went with the hype of the sales letter. But if I can save just someone else the hassle, it was worth it.

          When I finally arrived at the backend of the product and went quickly through the content and the forum, i felt this must have been a big joke!

          All important answers by sceptical people were not answered in the forum. Or they were answered in an unlogical way.

          Before asking for a refund, I wanted to register for the forum just to give the other members a heads up about my concerns, as from reading many seem to be really new to Internet Marketing. And have high hopes in this thing. But oh wonder, I wasn't even able to register for the forum. There just does not arrive any registration link at my mailbox. Never had any problems liket his in the past. Accident? Mhmmm. In the meanwhile you can watch the refund rate of this product climbing and climbing.

          It's a pitty. But lesson learned. If something sounds too good to be true, it may very well be untrue. :rolleyes:

          My advice for everyone interested in Autoblogging would be Autoblog Blueprint 2.0 from Mike johnson. A difference like Night and Day! And over there you actually have the impression, that for the product creator it matters, if you are armed with good advice and will succeed or not.
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      • Profile picture of the author sylviad
        Originally Posted by depotgang View Post

        ... I had to move everything to a cloud based server in the middle of the launch. What a mess....

        This blogging platform flat our works like a dream. Today it is 9:30am PST and we have build several hundred sites already.

        I wish I had more time to respond...but i am very busy.

        Good luck all
        Is it just me, or do others feel like they just got blown off by the product owner?

        Originally Posted by Mike Williams View Post

        Melody,

        While you spend time bashing the product here you seem to have failed to notice that there are several people in the forum already making passive profits with the product.

        ... It's not a ranking strategy this "wide net" traffic strategy DOES work....
        Well, well. Who do we have here? Could this really be another one of the product owners? Where were you when people were swarming the forum in search of answers as they tried to use your system? You seem to have time for THIS forum.

        Because of the long delay getting responses on your support forum, I lost considerable time when I tried putting this system in my Root domain as explained in the training video. It's a domain that contains other pages, where I now discover your system cannot work. So now I'm losing 2 more days waiting for a new domain to propogate so I can restart the install.

        Overall, your support is deplorable and sadly, it sounds like it's in large part due to the fact you OVERSOLD the product. You weren't prepared. And so you have no time for your customers' questions.

        Sad, because I'm still convinced this is a good system for me.

        As far as your success stories, admittedly, I did not read them all, but of the few I did, one made .04 cents (that's the guy your partner quoted "this system ROCKS :confused:"), another made around $1, and someone else was still waiting but they are hopeful. Is this what you call "massive profits"?

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        • Profile picture of the author Melody
          [QUOTE=sylviad;2911575]Is it just me, or do others feel like they just got blown off by the product owner?

          That was certainly my feeling with the other responses that were posted on their forum!

          LOL - but at least he wished you good luck!

          There are simply too many unknowns in this system to even be able to make an intelligent assessment of how it compares to the other products on the market. Although most of the questions have focused on the traffic sources - the other question is: what are the 40 revenue streams that were promised??

          I asked that on their forum and as of last night, there has been no answer.

          I have moved on. I really, really wanted this to be that 'one stop shop' for blogging and traffic, all in one spot.

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          • Profile picture of the author sylviad
            [quote=Melody;2913234]
            Originally Posted by sylviad View Post

            Is it just me, or do others feel like they just got blown off by the product owner?

            That was certainly my feeling with the other responses that were posted on their forum!

            LOL - but at least he wished you good luck!

            There are simply too many unknowns in this system to even be able to make an intelligent assessment of how it compares to the other products on the market. Although most of the questions have focused on the traffic sources - the other question is: what are the 40 revenue streams that were promised??

            I asked that on their forum and as of last night, there has been no answer.

            I have moved on. I really, really wanted this to be that 'one stop shop' for blogging and traffic, all in one spot.

            Melody
            You just HAVE to LOVE an optimist, huh?

            One thing about this offer that I just noticed is that the sales letter seems to indicate that you will only get EVERYTHING that is promised if you upgrade for an additional ~$200 for Mass Deploy. Since I did not upgrade, I guess I won't get some of those additional features.

            Still waiting for my new domain, so it'll be awhile before I know exactly what I got for my money.

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  • Profile picture of the author Melody
    Mike -

    First of all, Mike, this is the review section - and good or bad - this is where we get to honestly discuss our experiences with a product.

    As to bashing the software? Hardly, Mike. Go back and read my posts again, here and at the MPP forum. I DID install the software, so I do know what I am talking about, which is WHY I asked the questions, and why I wanted to know more about the traffic sources, since there is nothing that is apparent in the admin of the software.

    And it was NOT just me - in fact, I did not initiate the threads about traffic at your forum! Repeated questions from others in your forum regarding the traffic sources went unanswered until the cryptic responses above. Those responses answered nothing for your members, except to frustrate them even more.

    As to Adsense and Clickbank - unless something has changed with the new videos, these were additional plugins that you had to add on your own after the MPP installation. In fact, in one of the videos, it actually stated that it was up to the viewer to find and decide which Adsense plugin to use! So - please tell me how that it is 'included' with the software?

    If the software is doing something in the background for traffic, that is great! But you make no mention of it in the videos, there are no pdfs to help people and no one is responding to these questions on your forum. Is this some big dark secret? ANSWER YOUR MEMBER'S QUESTIONS!

    And what are the 40 revenue streams that the sales letter promised? Is this the combined number of categories in Clickbank and Amazon?? Or???

    Last but not least - an issue that was started here by Bill - not any of us - you apparently sold 5000 when your sales letter committed to only releasing 199.

    Instead of attacking me - why not just answer the questions that have been raised on your own forum?


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    • Profile picture of the author gilmore
      QUOTE: As to Adsense and Clickbank

      If you use Clickbank banners and your affiliate links in the first blog you build, and add a plugin called custom setting (which store your clickbank and adsense ID's), then all the sites you build with MPP after that, includes your clickbank adds , with your aff links automatically.
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Really, folks, what did you expect? They don't even know the difference between Frodo and Bilbo, lol.

        Probably one of the lamest sales pages I've ever seen. I especially liked the part where they say they're limiting it to 199 copies because they don't want it to get into the wrong hands, lol. Right, because that makes, like, total sense. If you don't want something to get into the wrong hands, guess what? You don't release it to the public period.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    If you think you can outsmart Google with hundreds of subdomains on the same ip...with the same theme, you're in for a rude awakening.

    I already figured this out the hard way years ago. Listen to Black Hat Cat.

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    • Profile picture of the author CraigX
      Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

      If you think you can outsmart Google with hundreds of subdomains on the same ip...with the same theme, you're in for a rude awakening.

      I already figured this out the hard way years ago. Listen to Black Hat Cat.

      The Undeniable Truth About Google
      This is why I'm interested in knowing what the 68 free traffic sources are that way I don't have to worry about google.
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      • Profile picture of the author Melody
        Originally Posted by CraigX View Post

        This is why I'm interested in knowing what the 68 free traffic sources are that way I don't have to worry about google.
        EXACTLY, CRAIG!!! Sorry but I don't want my feeds and posts being submitted to unknown sites - I want to know the 'neighborhoods' my content is hanging around in!!

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    Auto-blogging has been something I've been very interested in learning and profiting from for sometime. Before I jump in I've been scouring this forum for reviews for related products and I take seriously into consideration what other successful Warriors have to say.

    I'm so appreciative of this forum and the review section as this review has certainly saved me A LOT of time, frustration and cash.
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  • Profile picture of the author Melody
    LOL Sylvia - I DID upgrade........so don't hold your breath - but you might want to read some of the above comments about the 'push button' automation of multi site creation....

    And yes, I am totally the optimist - and I remain confident that sooner or later someone will develop that 'all inclusive' system that really works.

    Gotta run - have a meeting with the Tooth Fairy in a few minutes, then lunch with Santa - it's a busy day



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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      Ooo... sounds like lots of fun, Melody! How I envy people who have a reason to visit Santa.

      Given the problems and lack of support, the deceptive statements in the sales letter and the elusive replies that have been made to our concerns, there's no way I will be upgrading. In fact, I'm now looking at another product someone mentioned that looks very promising, so I will be asking for a refund of the MPP, too. My feeling is that if he cannot be more responsive and forthcoming with his help at this stage, then what can I expect if I hang onto the product and need support after the refund policy expires?

      Doesn't sound very promising. Especially since I received his latest email threatening to delete negative posts from his support forum, and that if our questions haven't been answered he expects us to go back and repost them in the correct category(?). His way of cleaning up the forum, I guess, was to create categories and now he expects us to start over with our week-old queries.

      Clearly, this whole launch has gotten away from him and unfortunately his lack of preparedness is going to lose him yet another customer.

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  • Profile picture of the author Melody
    The sad part is that with a handful of honest and straight forward responses to the questions - this could have all been salvaged!

    I don't really think that they set out to 'dupe' anyone or rip anyone off really - but I think the sales letter is probably overly 'creative':

    the 68 traffic sources: Bill sort of answered - are these sites they themselves created using aged domains, and the software is posting to their own private network? Okay - that would be cool by me....but why not say so?

    The 40 revenue streams? Is this the combined number of categories on Amazon and Clickbank? ok - that would be a stretch to define it this way....but again, why not just answer the question?

    5000 vs 199...hmmmm....ok. The abacus broke....seriously, I don't have answer for this one.

    BUT - if they just came out and answered the questions with straight answers...99% of this whole thing would have gone away.

    Instead - it looks as though the blame is being shifted over to the customers. Never a solid marketing strategy.

    But - I am still happy with Bill's Twittenator!

    Melody

    PS - Sylvia - Santa says 'hey'!
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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      Melody,

      I don't really think that they set out to 'dupe' anyone or rip anyone off really - but I think the sales letter is probably overly 'creative':
      I don't think they did either, but they do seem to misunderstand the difference between hype and making false statements, ie: sales limits. What they don't seem to get is that if you're caught in one lie, you will lose lots of customers. You will lose their trust. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Tom, on their forum, stated that he felt the statement of limitation was quite acceptable - "it's marketing." Everyone does it.

      As you know, other members wholly disagree.

      It's not even a matter of whether or not the number of sales is all that relevant to each individual buyer. Personally, I could care less. It's about honesty which helps us to determine if we can trust these people.

      To be successful, they need to be ready to accept negative comments and take steps to alleviate or correct them, not simply delete them.

      As you say, the blame is more on them than on their customers, but they think otherwise. If you leave discouraged, struggling and disatisfied customers in a room alone long enough, this type of "unruly" crowd will result. That's just human nature. So fix it, with proper answers and quick, courteous responses. Unfortunately, that is severely lacking in this case.

      I've submitted 2 support tickets over the past week, made several queries on the forum. The tickets still have not received responses. Some of the queries were answered by regular members. Of those, some were not quite accurate, causing me to waste 2 days trying to do the impossible.

      And I guess it kind of grabs me the wrong way, too, when they're taking absolutely every opportunity to make money from us even though Bill claims they "aren't in it to make money" (or something to that effect). Yet they oversold the product and made at least 1/4 million dollars in 3 days when it should have been around $60,000 had they followed their own sales restriction. I have no idea how many people bought the upsell, but that could put the sales figure as high as about $1.5 million.

      On top of that, every suggested extra item in their rather lengthy list is an affiliate link or more services to buy - for things that some customers felt should have been included in the product. And then there are the regular emails promoting yet more products.

      It's just too much too soon. Sorry.

      Now I'm certainly not against them trying to make a lot of money, but the facts/results vs their statements start to reveal lies. Lies cause doubt and distrust... something they need to realize, fast.

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  • Profile picture of the author imfornow
    To Mike and Bill, the sellers of this product. One person on your forum has made 4 CENTS. OMG, what to do with all that profit, time to pay down those bills!

    Maybe you and Bill are paying your bills using some method, but it is not the one you sold to me. A great idea would be to sell us exactly what is working, and stand behind it and support us on the forum and help us make money. Instead you choose to ignore us all.

    You two have done so much damage to your reputations, it is just plain stupid. The first mistake is when Bill slipped on this forum and let out the fact that you sold 5000 units. Ooops.
    Bill has not been back on this forum to address any of the concerns about selling 5000, and advertising that you would only sell 199 units. If you are so honest, get on here and address these issues.

    The second is on your forum when you started deleting the posts that you didn't like.
    The third is not helping people on the forum, they all seem to be on ignore.

    What about the automatic re-writing on your forum, when someone writes SCAM on your forum, it automatically changes the text to "I am just so bitter", or something to that effect, I can't be certain BECAUSE YOU DELETED THOSE POSTS FROM THE FORUM TOO. Instead of taking the time to program that into your forum software, why didn't you guys just help the clients?

    MOST of the people on your forum are so discouraged, they were looking forward to this product doing what it said it would do. It doesn't and the proof is on your own forum. So many people are asking for your help to make this work, and you guys provide NOTHING, and then want to defend that.

    Reguardless of what you did or didn't do with your sales copy, you have done a HUGE disservice to internet marketing. Maybe the person on the forum who says they are going to file a complaint with the FTC will follow through. That would bring you to reality in a hurry.
    This type of crap should have you banned from the forum, the only ones you are helping are yourselves.

    This is EXACTLY the type of attitude and marketing that brings us all down. If you have a great product, then help us make money with it. Instead you just defend what can't be defended.

    I looks like your own stupidity will bring your sales back down to 199 after the refunds have all been made.

    If this is the place to review a product, consider yours reviewed.
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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      Bill has not been back on this forum to address any of the concerns about selling 5000, and advertising that you would only sell 199 units. If you are so honest, get on here and address these issues.
      Why expect anything better from him here? This is exactly how he has responded on his own forum - by turning a blind eye.

      Besides, as he already stated here as an excuse not to provide more answers:

      "... I'm really busy" because he got more orders than he can handle.

      I guess it's more important that he deal with the orders that are still coming in instead of his current customers.

      Enough, already. I just asked CB for a refund and will be buying an auto-blogging WSO from someone who has already shown to me that he truly cares. He's given me more indepth answers re his product than Bill or his associates have provided all week on his misnamed "support" forum.

      For anyone considering the MPP (Massive Passive Profits) system, I would only say, be sure you take a long hard look at the sales page before making a decision. Things are not quite what they seem. And keep in mind that once you buy, a lot goes on behind the scenes. If you are not familiar with auto blogging, you could find (as so many others have) that you might be left high and dry when you need help.

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      • Profile picture of the author imfornow
        Originally Posted by sylviad View Post

        Why expect anything better from him here? This is exactly how he has responded on his own forum - by turning a blind eye.

        Besides, as he already stated here as an excuse not to provide more answers:

        "... I'm really busy" because he got more orders than he can handle.

        I guess it's more important that he deal with the orders that are still coming in instead of his current customers.

        Enough, already. I just asked CB for a refund and will be buying an auto-blogging WSO from someone who has already shown to me that he truly cares. He's given me more indepth answers re his product than Bill or his associates have provided all week on his misnamed "support" forum.

        For anyone considering the MPP (Massive Passive Profits) system, I would only say, be sure you take a long hard look at the sales page before making a decision. Things are not quite what they seem. And keep in mind that once you buy, a lot goes on behind the scenes. If you are not familiar with auto blogging, you could find (as so many others have) that you might be left high and dry when you need help.

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  • Profile picture of the author Damani Tabor
    This product is unfortunate in that it is conceptually full of potential, but the advertising/promo is not consistent with the actual experience. Too high a level of experise is needed to get it to work to spec, without adequate support. I would urge those whoa re completely green to stay away.
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  • Profile picture of the author Melody
    The only reason that I did a bit 'white washing' in regards to the sales letter being 'creative' versus outright deceptive is that if this thread goes too far, and is deemed to be bashing the product and/or it's creators - it will be deleted and I really don't think we want that to happen.

    I would like this to stay here as an honest and open review of the product and the infrastructure supporting the product - from it's customers, both current and former.

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    • Profile picture of the author templarjustice
      Originally Posted by Melody View Post

      The only reason that I did a bit 'white washing' in regards to the sales letter being 'creative' versus outright deceptive is that if this thread goes too far, and is deemed to be bashing the product and/or it's creators - it will be deleted and I really don't think we want that to happen.

      I would like this to stay here as an honest and open review of the product and the infrastructure supporting the product - from it's customers, both current and former.

      Melody
      The fact is that the sales letter is an issue. If it doesn't match up to the product, there's a major problem.

      We need to question some of the advertising that is placed on the sales letter, to be able to decipher, whether or not the results the product owners are actually accurate and true. For example, did anyone notice the following:

      1. Sales page has an image of "Undeniable Proof of 100% Commissions" with an arrow pointing to: $786,354.03.
      A. Correct me if I'm wrong, however, I believe the actual commissions based on this screen shot is truly: $60,151.68. I believe, Amazon Fees is what is actually received by the Amazon affiliate. If I'm correct, this is misleading, stating that they generated $786k in commissions.
      B. Also, what time frame was this screen shot based on?
      C. How many "massive passive profits sites" were created to achieve those results?

      2. The next image boasts: $103,078 for a period of 1 month during May, 2010. During the video, it was stated that this was PayPal, and they had issue with their accounts.
      A. First, PayPals transaction report results don't look like that. This more looks like an InfusionSoft revenue report. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
      B. So this begs the question, if InfusionSoft was used to generate these revenue results...
      1. What actually was being sold?
      2. Was this sales of Massive Passive Profits during May? --OR-- was this sales coming through SITES CREATED by the Massive Passive Profits system? (If so, how many sites? What was the expenses incurred?, How long was the development that started showing results on May 1st?)
      C3 Another misleading image, because the video stated PayPal.

      3. Granted, there was a video shown of the sites being built, 99 of them. However, why not show an example of the sites where they achieved the $100,000 results? They could have shown both sets as examples -- 1.) One that's actually revenue producing, and 2.) A craptacular example of how to throw it together real quick (just like the video). We don't know if the sample one in the video is even producing results.

      4. Based on the video in the sales letter, using this system, it was stated that you should "See Income Results in 7 Days".
      A. What were the results based on the sample site that was created in the video? I believe 7 days have passed for that right? It's loaded with Adsense & Clickbank links....

      I'm at the point of believing that product owners are pushing hype for the theory of: Win Some, Lose Some -- and refunds be damned. Some people will stay or some will go mentality.

      However, if "WE" start questioning people deeper on the facts as I outlined above, get clarity, and DEMAND an answer, then this stuff will not happen & we will have more catering to the customer.

      Some of the responses from "support" like, "You need to take action" is absolutely ridiculous.

      I'm with Melody on this. I'm going further and saying this is potentially
      False Advertising. Many product owners are taking customers for granted, but let me remind you all now - THERE IS A TRUTH IN LABELING LAW in the United States! That means customers have the right to know what they are buying. They have a right to demand an accurate, and full answer. And False Advertising is Illegal. PERIOD.

      I welcome any challenge to my inquest for the truth in the examples I have shared above. It's easy to make a purchase. The question is, DOES IT WORK?
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      • Profile picture of the author Melody
        Originally Posted by templarjustice View Post

        The fact is that the sales letter is an issue. If it doesn't match up to the product, there's a major problem.
        Templar Justice - The only reason I did not include your entire post was simply due to the length - but I have to agree with you all the way down the line, and I would like to point out something very important to the overall product: if you are correct about this (which I don't recall and don't have time to check!) in point 4:
        4. Based on the video in the sales letter, using this system, it was stated that you should "See Income Results in 7 Days".
        A. What were the results based on the sample site that was created in the video? I believe 7 days have passed for that right? It's loaded with Adsense & Clickbank links....

        Then there is actually another discrepancy because the plugin builds what are basically Amazon sites- there is nothing built into the system that adds your CB or Adsense. As I stated previously, one of the videos gave an overview of Adsense but told you that you had to find your own plugin because there were so many of them out there...ouch.

        One of the reasons that I did not come right out with a lot of negative points is that both people involved are also members of the forum, and I wanted to give them a chance to come here - and on their own forum - and 'fix things'.

        Fess up that someone else did it, they simply lent their names to it, the dog wrote the sales letter - WHATEVER! But in some way, I had hoped that things were different than what they seemed.

        I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt - or in some cases - enough rope to hang themselves.

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        • Profile picture of the author templarjustice
          Originally Posted by Melody View Post

          Then there is actually another discrepancy because the plugin builds what are basically Amazon sites- there is nothing built into the system that adds your CB or Adsense. As I stated previously, one of the videos gave an overview of Adsense but told you that you had to find your own plugin because there were so many of them out there...ouch.

          One of the reasons that I did not come right out with a lot of negative points is that both people involved are also members of the forum, and I wanted to give them a chance to come here - and on their own forum - and 'fix things'.

          Fess up that someone else did it, they simply lent their names to it, the dog wrote the sales letter - WHATEVER! But in some way, I had hoped that things were different than what they seemed.

          I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt - or in some cases - enough rope to hang themselves.

          Melody
          I agree. But, I don't think no one is being negative. In reality, I just want to question validity. If ABC means X, then why does it look lke ABC means Y? There are issues that need to be clarified.

          As a matter of fact, I almost questioned myself on the site they showed in the video of the sample about Amazon. I had to do a second check to make sure. And yes, i was right, it only showcased Adsense & Clickbank links in that one. I didn't see any Amazon.

          And go figure, when I went to the site, it was magically DOWN!!!
          But there's a way around that -- If anyone wants to see the sample that was showcased it's here:

          http://www.healthyfoodguidelines.com/healthyfoodtips/
          This is an example of a sub-directory -- NOT the sub-domain which is what the software is SUPPOSED to do. HOWEVER, it's even not "technically" a sub-directory, but more of a sub-folder install - to be "TECHNICALLY correct."
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          • Profile picture of the author CraigX
            Originally Posted by templarjustice View Post

            I agree. But, I don't think no one is being negative. In reality, I just want to question validity. If ABC means X, then why does it look lke ABC means Y? There are issues that need to be clarified.

            As a matter of fact, I almost questioned myself on the site they showed in the video of the sample about Amazon. I had to do a second check to make sure. And yes, i was right, it only showcased Adsense & Clickbank links in that one. I didn't see any Amazon.

            And go figure, when I went to the site, it was magically DOWN!!!
            But there's a way around that -- If anyone wants to see the sample that was showcased it's here:

            healthy food tips
            This is an example of a sub-directory -- NOT the sub-domain which is what the software is SUPPOSED to do. HOWEVER, it's even not "technically" a sub-directory, but more of a sub-folder install - to be "TECHNICALLY correct."
            Hi, It does give you the choice in the setup if you want sub-domains or sub-directories
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            • Profile picture of the author templarjustice
              Originally Posted by CraigX View Post

              Hi, It does give you the choice in the setup if you want sub-domains or sub-directories

              Yeah, I don't dispute that. It should be recognized for people though, that all plugins do not always work well with multi-site. So people need to be cognizant of that fact.

              The good thing about MPP is that it seems to offer the ability to give you:
              1. Sub-domains
              2. Sub-folders
              3. Sub-directories

              So, coming up with a main TLD is KEY.

              My biggest concern is really assessing the results they receive with the actual methodology they are preaching.
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        • Profile picture of the author clarethwaites
          Hi I have had this product for a few weeks now and I was all set to make a bunch of autoblogs today for a couple of my bigger domains. I think I still will, but not nearly so many as I was planning to :-) I read all these posts with great interest. Here's my experience with this product (just the simple cheap version, no upsells) being fairly new to IM.

          I bought this purely to get content up on my sites starting from scratch so that I had something to promote on twitter etc, while I searched for CPA offers and other unique content that Id actually write myself.

          If I was busy working on other sites I thought it would be great to have things trickle auto posting, because search engines like sites that are regularly updated - more so than not, so far as I understand.

          The support is the worst I have ever experienced. Ive never felt so blown off and disrespected and its so frustrating when you are super keen to get going.

          A couple of weeks in after being ignored many times, I randomly got a reply from one support guy who gave me a phone number for another support guy - who actually answered it after Id emailed first *SHOCK!! * Horror!*

          Im tempted to post the number here LOL PM me if you want to call them and give em hell given what they have put you all through!!!

          But he wasnt very helpful, he just told me to reinstall it which I did and Id totally done everything right and the same thing happened LOL then next time I called I got a snooty email telling me I coudlnt just call him LOL... but they did eventually give me a super simple fix for this - and no idea why they didnt just put this in the instructions (I was installing on addon domains)

          The amazon tools (where you can choose to add in a big image, med image, small one, description, etc) have lots of things that don't even work like rating, reviews etc. Id love to add user reviews to my posts... that I dont have to do manually!! (and wont do manually!)

          When I contacted the forum it took them days to reply after I had to remind them and then we had a few quick fire emails which resulted in the guy saying he had no idea what those buttons were for.... hello??!! Support??!!

          Im happy with the traffic I am getting to my sites ( between 400-2000 uniques a month) since I literally just set these up and haven't promoted them at all yet - Im just about to. Thats just using MPP on the main domain with no subdomains.

          So for me it works. Ive not made a penny from any of the CPA offers, Clickbank offers, or amazon products that are ON my sites yet, but Im hoping that once I integrate all this with 'proper' content, and actually promote them, then things may get better.

          Also Dan Brock said in an email the other day, something like 'use autoblogs sparingly to just get a trickle of traffic for whatever keywords you want and the most important thing is to link every single autoblog back to your main domain'. So for that reason - backlinks and traffic - I think its not a bad plan.

          Personally, Id rather have a few blogs full of awesome content that are great for a user to interact with and return to - that will make me good money - than 10,000 generic crappy ones, that make me minimal money!

          Anyway hope this has helped someone. Best wishes Clare :-)
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          • Profile picture of the author clarethwaites
            Hi this window was still open so I figured Id post this useful article I just found:

            Multiple Domains vs Subdomains vs Folders in SEO | Web SEO Analytics

            More particularly, this piece of info was interesting:

            So the question is what happens when you use subdomains (ex: blog.example.com)? The SEO community has suggested several theories in the past on this topic. Experiments showed that in some cases, when the main domain has a relatively small amount of subdomains, part of the authority passes to the subdomain. According to other theories, the subdomains are handled like different domains and thus none of those metrics pass to them.
            WebSEOAnalytics.com team has done extensive analysis in the past on the Data that we collect from the reports of our SEO tools. Based on those data there are strong indications that a part of Authority and Trust passes to the subdomains only when the domain has a small number of subdomains and when the link structure of the main website passes enough link juice to them. An additional factor can be whether the subdomain keeps the same website and link structure as the main website. On the contrary, when the number of subdomains is too great (ex: blogspot.com) and when there are no links pointing to them from the main domain, then no authority or trust is inherited.


            Hope this is of interest and helpful to some of you. Best wishes, Clare :-)
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            • Profile picture of the author mistermint
              Interesting post Clare...

              IMO folders are better..ex ( yourdomain. com/videos) just think this a stronger structure for SEO and credibility to your TLD...

              Also think webmasters don't take full advantage of things like video site maps etc..it all helps...

              Personally, Id rather have a few blogs full of awesome content that are great for a user to interact with and return to - that will make me good money - than 10,000 generic crappy ones, that make me minimal money!
              ^ Better strategy for long term business...

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              • Profile picture of the author John Hocking
                Originally Posted by mistermint View Post

                Interesting post Clare...

                IMO folders are better..ex ( yourdomain. com/videos) just think this a stronger structure for SEO and credibility to your TLD...

                Also think webmasters don't take full advantage of things like video site maps etc..it all helps...

                ^ Better strategy for long term business...

                Gordon.
                For SEO you want your site to be tightly themed.

                If all your keywords are related, using sub directories would be the best option.

                If you keywords are not related, creating sub domains would be a better option.

                Sub domains are treated like entirely different domains. This can help each sub domain rank for a given topic but also means that you have to build traffic to them and rank them individually.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
        Originally Posted by templarjustice View Post

        B. So this begs the question, if InfusionSoft was used to generate these revenue results...
        1. What actually was being sold?
        That's a screenshot of Bill's InfusionSoft application. I know because I work with a client's InfusionSoft app and the only way to get that screenshot is by owning InfusionSoft and logging in as the owner.

        Note: If you divide the amount of sales each day by the day's total, the average sale was between $72-$122.

        It's very possible he could have created hundreds of sites and generated $3000 per day. However, the wild fluctuation in sales leads me to believe these were mail outs or webinar sales. If he did accomplish $6k in one day from automated traffic, then I'm baffled why he would go public with such a goldmine.

        I said it once, I'll say it again. Whether or not this system uses Google is irrevelevant. Once Google finds out about hundreds of sites on the same IP serving Adsense, they'll ban your account. If you want to deal with this drama 1 year from now...way after the refund period is gone and support forum is dead...go brave. I've been down this "autosite" road once and I'll never go down it again.
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        • Profile picture of the author templarjustice
          Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

          That's a screenshot of Bill's InfusionSoft application. I know because I work with a client's InfusionSoft app and the only way to get that screenshot is by owning InfusionSoft and logging in as the owner.

          Note: If you divide the amount of sales each day by the day's total, the average sale was between $72-$122.

          It's very possible he could have created hundreds of sites and generated $3000 per day. However, the wild fluctuation in sales leads me to believe these were mail outs or webinar sales. If he did accomplish $6k in one day from automated traffic, then I'm baffled why he would go public with such a goldmine.

          I said it once, I'll say it again. Whether or not this system uses Google is irrevelevant. Once Google finds out about hundreds of sites on the same IP serving Adsense, they'll ban your account. If you want to deal with this drama 1 year from now...way after the refund period is gone and support forum is dead...go brave. I've been down this "autosite" road once and I'll never go down it again.
          So far, I've been right on both issues.

          Yes,they were large fluctuations in numbers. So, we have the following possibilities for the InfusionSoft account results:

          1. Large Amount of Massive Passive Sites Selling Amazon Products
          A. Not likely, as I believe that Amazon only pays once per month (correct me if I"m wrong).

          2. Large Amount of Massive Passive Sites Utilizing Adsense:
          A. Not likely, Adsense only pays OUT by check or Direct Deposit to PayPal directly once per month at the END of the month (correct me if I'm wrong).

          3. Large Amount of Massive Passive Sites focused on Clickbank products directly.
          A. LIKELY - given the avg. Rev. per sale results
          B. Analysis: If this was the case, how many sites were created to achieve the results? How in "DEPTH" were the sites ( was it just throw-up content or actual unique content, utilizing additional G-slap proof pages)

          4. Your scenario of Webinars & Emails:
          A. Likely: Means they were either selling MPP in April & May 2010 for the Infusion soft results. --OR---
          B. They have a large email list of people who like Amazon products & they have a direct supplier of Amazon products.

          So, regardless of "giving out a goldmine", what is being sold is a system that advertises a specific process.

          They didn't say, here's how to make money with Massive Passive Profits by SELLING Massive Passive Profits...or did they?.......Correct me if I'm wrong....
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          • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
            InfusionSoft only works with your personal Paypal account or Merchant account. It does not receive deposits from Amazon, Adsense, Clickbank or any other source. The numbers he is showing are from his own personal sales that were initiated from his own InfusionSoft account via Authorize.net or Paypal.

            Even the Amazon sales look weird. Why is he circling the total amount of sales that Amazon made? Why not show the actual commissions he earned?

            Bill really needs to talk with the copywriter.
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            • Profile picture of the author Melody
              Interesting that neither of them have come back to address any of this?

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              • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                Originally Posted by Melody View Post

                Interesting that neither of them have come back to address any of this?

                Melody
                errrrrrrrr...I don't think they are coming back lol

                On a separate note though, the product is actually GOOD for what it does. Sure, it's not really what was described, but if you can look past the fact that they sold more copies than they said they were going to, aren't answering any questions from their customers, and basically responded here like their customers had done something wrong....It's not a bad tool for the price.

                There are a couple other products out there that do similar things that sell for 3X the price, but they were sold "back in the day" when launches made most of their money upfront with $297+ products...Instead of now where they are selling them for $37 or $47 with 5,000 upsells to get more people into the sales funnel.

                I'd go as far as to say that as far as practical use this is one of the better pieces of software that's come out lately compared to a few other launches over the last 60 days or so...

                I'm definitely not defending the misleading sales video or any of the other stuff...Just looking at the glass half full
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                • Profile picture of the author Melody
                  Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

                  errrrrrrrr...I don't think they are coming back lol

                  On a separate note though, the product is actually GOOD for what it does. Sure, it's not really what was described, but if you can look past the fact that they sold more copies than they said they were going to, aren't answering any questions from their customers, and basically responded here like their customers had done something wrong....It's not a bad tool for the price.

                  There are a couple other products out there that do similar things that sell for 3X the price, but they were sold "back in the day" when launches made most of their money upfront with $297+ products...Instead of now where they are selling them for $37 or $47 with 5,000 upsells to get more people into the sales funnel.

                  I'd go as far as to say that as far as practical use this is one of the better pieces of software that's come out lately compared to a few other launches over the last 60 days or so...

                  I'm definitely not defending the misleading sales video or any of the other stuff...Just looking at the glass half full
                  And that's the truly sad part about all of this mess: without even getting into whether or not I personally liked the core product - the bottom line is that the sales letter and the product delivered bear little resemblance to each other, and this seems to be a real trend lately.

                  Things got a little better there for a while when the FTC rattled their chains but now it seems worse than ever.

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              • Profile picture of the author CraigX
                Originally Posted by Melody View Post

                Interesting that neither of them have come back to address any of this?

                Melody
                I just got back from the MPP Forum and all the threads started that were asking about the 68 free traffic sources were erased, deleted, gone. The MPP forum seems to be out of control with people asking question with no response, People starting to think they made a big mistake. The creators still respond to there customers questions.

                Well I guess Its time for a REFUND I just cant take it any longer I was hoping for the best.
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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      Originally Posted by Melody View Post

      The only reason that I did a bit 'white washing' in regards to the sales letter being 'creative' versus outright deceptive is that if this thread goes too far, and is deemed to be bashing the product and/or it's creators - it will be deleted and I really don't think we want that to happen.

      I would like this to stay here as an honest and open review of the product and the infrastructure supporting the product - from it's customers, both current and former.

      Melody
      Hi Melody,

      I know what you mean and you are right. We have to tread lightly, even though this is a review section - good and bad. It's easy to step beyond those bounds and express what you really feel. Sometimes it's best to keep those feelings to yourself.

      But it's also important for people to know the struggles we've had in getting support. And that some things mentioned in the sales letter are only minimally available unless you upgrade during the purchase stage, which I did not.

      I am in no position to offer much of a review other than as it relates to these two things because I never did get it installed due to lack of support. I went through their training videos, tried and failed one install, and sought support to no avail.

      If they are improving their support system and their training, then I'm convinced this is a worthwhile product, based on everything it's supposed to do. Great concept. I'm just sorry I didn't get a chance to see it in action.

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  • Profile picture of the author Cisco
    Hi,

    would anyone know if the latest WP Robot 3.2 Full Premium would work with the MPP+Mass Deploy??

    Thanks, Cisco
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  • Profile picture of the author CraigX
    Just submitted a Refund Request. I read on the MPP forum that clickbank stats show a 57% refund rate on MPP. I havent verified that myself but I thought that it was quite telling.

    These gurus make all these outlandish claims about there product and how much you can make while Preying on people hopes and dreams and thats just wrong.

    I was on the MPP forum just yesterday and this one guy responded to my post asking me if I thought MPP would work because he spent money he couldn't afford to lose on MPP with the upgrade of course and his unemployment was just about to run. It hurts to see people taken advantage of.

    I hope all you gurus and someday to be gurus would slow down a little bit and think about what you write in your sales letters and videos because you are hurting people and worst yet your killing there dreams. That's not something I would want to be guilty of.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
    WOW....

    It's been a few days since I checked on this thread and it seems people (for the most part) are noticing the things I did (and much more) and are taking a stand against it...by requesting refunds! I think thats great!

    As a product owner myself (not promoting just stating this as it relates to the subject), I hate the thought of misleading potential clients/buyers, over hyping results, trying to fool you with misdirection...etc etc.

    I've spent a LOT of time researching this and I'm sure my sales will suffer initially because of it but I simply refuse to have that kind of CRAP in my sales letter.

    It's my opinion that if product owners were to cut the BS and state the true facts about the product, its capabilities and intended use instead of all the hype (some hype I get but some of these go crazy with it) and lies, then they would actually make more money in the long run because they wouldnt have refund requests of up to 57%...

    This is going to be my approach anyway so I guess time will tell.
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    • Profile picture of the author jambaman2
      Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

      WOW....

      It's been a few days since I checked on this thread and it seems people (for the most part) are noticing the things I did (and much more) and are taking a stand against it...by requesting refunds! I think thats great!

      It's my opinion that if product owners were to cut the BS and state the true facts about the product, its capabilities and intended use instead of all the hype (some hype I get but some of these go crazy with it) and lies, then they would actually make more money in the long run because they wouldnt have refund requests of up to 57%...

      This is going to be my approach anyway so I guess time will tell.

      I wonder if these promoters, after swimming in the toxic pool of hype and excessive BS for so long, eventually develop an allergy to THE TRUTH!!

      I too understand and expect a little hype but these promoters are truly SHAMELESS!!

      I know it's a calculated effort.
      Specifically aimed at the thinking that "well I don't think I'll be getting results like THIS ($$$THOUSANDS$$$ in the first week) but if I can just make one HALF, or even one TENTH of that, I'm good!"

      I know I've had that thought, and have also seen people express the same attitude.
      Promoters like this prey on this kind of thinking no doubt, and even with a 57% refund rate, lying promoters are still getting PAID!

      Think about it - put out a hundred BS products, and make out like a bandit on the 40% or so who don't manage or try to get a refund!


      Anyway, thank goodness for forums like this where people can express THE TRUTH.


      Rsberg - thanx for the PM. with only 20+ postings so far, I can't reply yet of course!
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Buckley
    I bought this and the Upsell of the Mass website Creator
    when you enter the download area you get THE MPP training videos
    Which shows you how to set up and use MPP to the best of its ability
    Then you have the Monitization methods (3)
    Clickbank,Adsense and Amazon
    Then Themes that will get you max profit
    And then Videos about Plug-in's That you should use.

    Its basically like an Auto blog Maybe a cheap version of Wp-Robot but not as much options


    Im getting around 150-200 visits per day so far from all the 5 sites i have made with it.
    I made one sale through Amazon with it so far and one click on adsense.
    im thinking its okayish at the moment if the results get better i will keep it but if i dont see any more results in the next week to 2 weeks i think i will get a refund
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      • Profile picture of the author sylviad
        Not that I'm here to defend this guy or his product, but...

        Originally Posted by Melody View Post

        Templar Justice - The only reason I did not include your entire post was simply due to the length - but I have to agree with you all the way down the line, and I would like to point out something very important to the overall product: if you are correct about this (which I don't recall and don't have time to check!) in point 4:
        4. Based on the video in the sales letter, using this system, it was stated that you should "See Income Results in 7 Days".
        That's correct. He did say results in 7 days.

        Then there is actually another discrepancy because the plugin builds what are basically Amazon sites- there is nothing built into the system that adds your CB or Adsense. As I stated previously, one of the videos gave an overview of Adsense but told you that you had to find your own plugin because there were so many of them out there...ouch.
        Not sure, but I think the part of the program that he claims to do the CB and Adsense is where you set your campaigns. That's where you add your affiliate links and set scheduling for the ads/articles to show. Would that not mean that those elements are already built into the system?

        But as I said, since I didn't get a chance to see my installation in action, I don't know if my campaign settings would cause the ads to show, or if it still needed some other plugin.

        Fess up that someone else did it, they simply lent their names to it, the dog wrote the sales letter - WHATEVER!...

        Melody
        Now, that's funny!
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        Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

        ...I said it once, I'll say it again. Whether or not this system uses Google is irrevelevant. Once Google finds out about hundreds of sites on the same IP serving Adsense, they'll ban your account. If you want to deal with this drama 1 year from now...way after the refund period is gone and support forum is dead...go brave. I've been down this "autosite" road once and I'll never go down it again.
        That's why he states in the training area that you should get a reseller or dedicated server at a cost of $24 - $300+, unless you still need to buy more IPs at an additional cost that also is not mentioned. In no uncertain terms, he highly stresses this in his "support" forum.

        Originally Posted by templarjustice View Post

        ...
        4. Your scenario of Webinars & Emails:
        A. Likely: Means they were either selling MPP in April & May 2010 for the Infusion soft results. --OR---
        ...
        Actually, he does admit that he was trying out the system back then, and when he saw how successful it was, he decided to launch it to the public. But he doesn't specify what he was selling, although it makes sense that it would be more than just his MPP system since he also would be testing the CB, Adsense and Amazon ads.

        Originally Posted by tonywarrior2 View Post

        Btw, here is quote from a 'success story' posted on the forum:

        "Success Stories: I'm already making money
        Ok, the money is finally rolling in!
        I've been working quite hard over the last 3-4 days and I already created 72 sites and today I got my first adsense click - I earned 4 cents. Not a lot, but still a pretty good start.
        The only thing is, I also had to do some extra work to drive some traffic ... "
        :confused:
        Old news, tonywarrior2.

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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    I've always wondered why people would bother doing autoblogs.

    I have real websites with unique content and I do SEO on them.

    These sites are 100% slap proof and it's "passive" income too because I outsource the vast majority of things.

    If you set up a business system, you're going to get "passive profits" too, and you won't need to worry about getting slapped by the search engines.

    It takes probably the same amount of time and effort to implement something the legitimate way as opposed to something the non legitimate way.

    So why take short cuts that may or may not end up biting you in the ass in the future?

    I just don't get it.
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    By the way, it's obvious that the creators were intending to sell as many units as they can. Look at this:

    Massive Passive Profits JV Center

    Look at the minimum number of units you needed to sell to make it to the top.

    To QUALIFY for the top position, you need at least 300 sales MINIMUM.

    It's clear that the false scarcity tactic in the sales letter was total BS right from the get go.
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  • Profile picture of the author Melody
    Interesting - there seem to be a few posts missing here?? Guess somebody was busy editing the thread last night - there are at least 2 posts missing - mine and Jason's, and I think a couple of others! The thread jumps from the 25th to 27th.......and there were several posts in between those two days......

    Ah well!

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    • Profile picture of the author gacott
      Originally Posted by Melody View Post

      Interesting - there seem to be a few posts missing here?? Guess somebody was busy editing the thread last night - there are at least 2 posts missing - mine and Jason's, and I think a couple of others! The thread jumps from the 25th to 27th.......and there were several posts in between those two days......

      Ah well!

      Melody
      Wow, all of mine are missing. From this pafe at least, I didn't look at the others. Guess my comments have been deemed unsutable. :-( Interesting as a few even had people thanking me.

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      • Profile picture of the author Melody
        Originally Posted by gacott View Post

        Wow, all of mine are missing. From this pafe at least, I didn't look at the others. Guess my comments have been deemed unsutable. :-( Interesting as a few even had people thanking me.

        G
        Looks like Jason and everything that was a response to his OP were deleted? Guess he didn't want that ethics discussion to weigh against any future business he might want to do here
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        • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
          Originally Posted by Melody View Post

          Looks like Jason and everything that was a response to his OP were deleted? Guess he didn't want that ethics discussion to weigh against any future business he might want to do here

          I think you're right Melody, some of my posts were deleted as well.
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        • Profile picture of the author 3MinuteVideos
          Originally Posted by Melody View Post

          Looks like Jason and everything that was a response to his OP were deleted? Guess he didn't want that ethics discussion to weigh against any future business he might want to do here
          I agree with you fully, Melody. Since 'neodarth' (the creator of this Thread) did not edit it or have it edited, then I would have to agree that Jason had his 'friends' in high places make the 'adjustments as necessary'. He was the only one that would have realized that his initial 'revealing' post had ultimately created a revealing embarrassment for him ...

          Unless, that is, Jason would like to come back and state publicly that he had no involvement with the deleting of posts from this Thread....
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          • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
            Originally Posted by 3MinuteVideos View Post

            I agree with you fully, Melody. Since 'neodarth' (the creator of this Thread) did not edit it or have it edited, then I would have to agree that Jason had his 'friends' in high places make the 'adjustments as necessary'. He was the only one that would have realized that his initial 'revealing' post had ultimately created a revealing embarrassment for him ...

            Unless, that is, Jason would like to come back and state publicly that he had no involvement with the deleting of posts from this Thread....
            LOL...

            I didn't have any posts deleted from this thread. (Seriously?)

            I just saw comments were gone one day and this is my first time checking back.

            Sorry it hasn't been worth my time coming back to see what trash you all might be talking about me behind my back.

            And I'm not embarrassed by anything I said in this thread...

            All I've said was that I want to see more product reviews of actual products since this is a product review forum.

            And that there are people in this thread who actually like this product.

            And maybe that I'm sick of critics who haven't even evaluated a product bashing it.

            If that's bad, I guess I'm missing your point.

            ...

            For the record, there was probably a REASON WHY our posts were deleted.

            Think about that.

            It's not big bad Jason who grabbed the red colored phone and called the president to take down some posts.

            There's probably an actual REASON.

            Probably because this back and forth adds no value to this forum.

            But I guess if people are going to call me out, I'm here.
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            • Profile picture of the author 3MinuteVideos
              Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post


              All I've said was that I want to see more product reviews of actual products since this is a product review forum.

              And that there are people in this thread who actually like this product.

              And maybe that I'm sick of critics who haven't even evaluated a product bashing it.
              That's the issue, Jason. People that HAVE purchased the 'Product' came back here and commented on their own experiences whether it was in regards to the Sales Page, the 'Product' itself, or the lack of involvement in answering specific questions within the back-end Forum.

              Best to re-read the Thread again in its entirety.

              Wes ~
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              • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
                Originally Posted by 3MinuteVideos View Post

                That's the issue, Jason. People that HAVE purchased the 'Product' came back here and commented on their own experiences whether it was in regards to the Sales Page, the 'Product' itself, or the lack of involvement in answering specific questions within the back-end Forum.

                Best to re-read the Thread again in its entirety.

                Wes ~
                Yes they have. Nice observation.

                And there are also a lot of critics.

                I obviously have no problem with actual reviews.

                Like I said, I like to read actual reviews in a product review forum.

                What are you trying to prove?

                ...

                OK guys, unsubscribing from this thread.

                That's where I stand.

                Have fun wasting time.
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                • Profile picture of the author 3MinuteVideos
                  Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post


                  ... I obviously have no problem with actual reviews.

                  Like I said, I like to read actual reviews in a product review forum.

                  What are you trying to prove?

                  ...

                  OK guys, unsubscribing from this thread.

                  That's where I stand.

                  Have fun wasting time.

                  Thank you Jason for the insightful contributions you have made to this 'Product Review Forum' Thread.
                  I am sure that it has been appreciated by all.


                  :rolleyes:


                  Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

                  Have fun wasting time.
                  Very good point. I will go back to 'wasting time'.
                  But I would prefer to call it 'Artistry'... it is my career of assembling 'macrame plant hangers'... but I do have fun at it (as you stated).
                  Do you like it? I call it my 'Happy Owl'.
                  It may not be as 'important' in comparison to what you do, but I am very proud of my accomplishments.

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                  Wes~
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                  • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
                    Originally Posted by 3MinuteVideos View Post

                    Thank you Jason for the insightful contributions you have made to this 'Product Review Forum' Thread.
                    I am sure that it has been appreciated by all.


                    :rolleyes:




                    Very good point. I will go back to 'wasting time'.
                    But I would prefer to call it 'Artistry'... it is my career of assembling 'macrame plant hangers'... but I do have fun at it (as you stated).
                    Do you like it? I call it my 'Happy Owl'.
                    It may not be as 'important' in comparison to what you do, but I am very proud of my accomplishments.

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                    Wes~
                    No idea what you're talking about budday.

                    Then again, I made an 860 on my SAT back in high school. I think you get like 400 just for filling out your name.

                    ...I meant that trying to argue with me about stupid crap on a forum is a waste of time.

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                    • Profile picture of the author 3MinuteVideos
                      Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

                      No idea what you're talking about budday.

                      Then again, I made an 860 on my SAT back in high school. I think you get like 400 just for filling out your name.

                      ...I meant that trying to argue with me about stupid crap on a forum is a waste of time.

                      Cool owl.
                      *** Man, I love that Quote... gotta' repeat it again... ***

                      Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

                      ...I meant that trying to argue with me about stupid crap on a forum is a waste of time.
                      Wow, Jason... lighten up... really. Take 3 deep breaths and step away from the computer for a while, or I'm afraid you're going to have a stroke, an aneurysm, or something, OK? I'm beginning to get a little worried about you...

                      As for your SAT score...? Don't be too hard on on yourself, you still have one more year to bring it up. Better luck when you take it again your Senior year...OK?

                      Wes ~

                      (*** On a serious note, what happened to your Blog at: ProIMer.com ?)
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                      • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
                        Originally Posted by 3MinuteVideos View Post

                        *** Man, I love that Quote... gotta' repeat it again... ***



                        Wow, Jason... lighten up... really. Take 3 deep breaths and step away from the computer for a while, or I'm afraid you're going to have a stroke, an aneurysm, or something, OK? I'm beginning to get a little worried about you...

                        As for your SAT score...? Don't be too hard on on yourself, you still have one more year to bring it up. Better luck when you take it again your Senior year...OK?

                        Wes ~

                        (*** On a serious note, what happened to your Blog at: ProIMer.com ?)
                        That was back in 2002. Still graduated 30th in my class and ended up going to college though.

                        Took the blog down and replaced it with another branding site.

                        Anyway...

                        You win. I lose.

                        I wish you the best with your business and craft making.

                        Let's stop being jerks.

                        Later.
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                        • Profile picture of the author sylviad
                          Happened to notice an old WF post notification in my in-box and thought I'd check back and see what's been happening on this thread since I moved on to a far superior product.

                          Did any of my posts get deleted? I have no idea and don't really much care. But consider this. If your/our posts are insulting and degrading, calling people names or break other rules, your posts will get deleted or even get you banned. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if I hadn't stepped over the line, since I am so opinionated. But I'm still here, so if I did, it couldn't have been that severe.

                          For the sake of those who are not seeing the value in this thread because it is not full of "real reviews", consider this.

                          If you purchase a product with the belief that it will deliver as detailed in the sales letter, and that you will get good support when you run into problems... and the promises are not delivered... would you not be a tad upset with reviews that conveniently omit these problems? Or maybe you'd rather we just let you find out for yourself?

                          Everything associated with the purchase and use of the product is up for review. It looks like those of us who purchased this one have done our due diligence in spelling out these issues.

                          That's it for me. Back to my superior auto blogging alternative.

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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    Now who dare to mess with my Thread?? They shall suffer for this!



    :confused:... If was an admin moderator of this nobel forum who did this... is OK I'll second you... shame on you spammers! :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Amy Carczak
    Massive Passive Profits ... good name
    for a sales letter but can set up folks
    with expectations that cannot be met.

    There's always "something" that resembles
    "work" or there are no "profits" to be had.
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    • Profile picture of the author Melody
      Originally Posted by Amy Carczak View Post

      Massive Passive Profits ... good name
      for a sales letter but can set up folks
      with expectations that cannot be met.

      There's always "something" that resembles
      "work" or there are no "profits" to be had.
      Work was not the issue here - it was matching the promises of the sales letter to the reality of the delivered product - and the fact that questions about this issue went unanswered at the products own forum.

      Most of us are quite willing to work!

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      • Profile picture of the author jambaman2
        Originally Posted by Melody View Post

        Work was not the issue here - it was matching the promises of the sales letter to the reality of the delivered product - and the fact that questions about this issue went unanswered at the products own forum.

        Most of us are quite willing to work!

        Melody
        AMEN to dat Melody!

        I am quite willing to work, but I expect the product I pay for to work also!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Cisco
      Hi Sylvia,

      If you don't mind asking, what is the name of other Blogging software (you use?)
      you eluded to in one of your previous posts?

      Thanks, Cisco
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      • Profile picture of the author sylviad
        Originally Posted by Cisco View Post

        Hi Sylvia,

        If you don't mind asking, what is the name of other Blogging software (you use?)
        you eluded to in one of your previous posts?

        Thanks, Cisco
        It's too late, Cisco. The product has reached it's sales limitation. However, should he decide to relaunch (which he did already form Version 1 to Version 3) it is Auto Blog Blueprint, offered by fellow-warrior Mike Johnson who ran this as a WSO last month.

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          Thanks Sylvia.
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  • Profile picture of the author yossic
    I'm going to give it another week. The good point is that I did create 150 sites in about 7 minutes. How long would it take you to do it by hand?

    The pain here is that they are not auto-posting but maybe that can be fixed by using a plugin such as WpRobot or Tweet Bomb (I don't own any of them).

    The Mass Deploy plugin will "deploy" all the plugins in your "template" site....

    By the way, I watched some of the WP Factory videos and it looks pretty cool.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
      Originally Posted by yossic View Post

      I'm going to give it another week. The good point is that I did create 150 sites in about 7 minutes. How long would it take you to do it by hand?
      Manually...by hand....too damn long, lol

      The pain here is that they are not auto-posting but maybe that can be fixed by using a plugin such as WpRobot or Tweet Bomb (I don't own any of them).
      Them not auto posting is an issue for sure. Yes, getting the sites "built" in mass amount si great but if you then have to go behind and either add plugins to them individually and then rely on those plugins to pull quality content...well thats another issue all together. I will give it to you though...building that many sites that quickly is pretty impressive.

      The Mass Deploy plugin will "deploy" all the plugins in your "template" site....
      So I assume this means it is essentially setting you up to multi clone the template...is that right? Or are you saying that it ONLY deplys to the template site but then when that template is used the following sites that are built with the template arent working properly...I think I am a bit confused on this one?

      By the way, I watched some of the WP Factory videos and it looks pretty cool.
      Thanks...been at it for 8+ months now...
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      • Profile picture of the author yossic
        Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

        Manually...by hand....too damn long, lol
        Them not auto posting is an issue for sure. Yes, getting the sites "built" in mass amount si great but if you then have to go behind and either add plugins to them individually...
        You don't have to install and configure the plugins for each site. You do it once in your "master" template and all the auto-created sites will be a copy of the "master". And by the way, any of your sites can the "master" when using the mass deploy feature.

        I didn't mention that all these sites are sub-domains of your main domain. Optionally you can have them be sub-folders as well. From the little research that I did on sub-domains vs sub-folders, it appears to me that sub-folders is the way to go. Apparently search engines treat sub-folders as part of the whole site, so any ranking in the subfolder benefits the main site as well as possible the other sub-folders. On the other hand, sub-domains are treated as a totally separate site and each one needs to rank on its own.
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    • Profile picture of the author neodarth
      Originally Posted by yossic View Post

      The pain here is that they are not auto-posting but maybe that can be fixed by using a plugin such as WpRobot or Tweet Bomb (I don't own any of them).
      Actually there is an auto-posting with MPP that works with amazon, articlebase and youtube and it can be loaded with the mass deploy plugin (you can loaded with the mass deploy).
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      • Profile picture of the author yossic
        Originally Posted by neodarth View Post

        Actually there is an auto-posting with MPP that works with amazon, articlebase and youtube and it can be loaded with the mass deploy plugin (you can loaded with the mass deploy).
        Of course I'm usingthe auto-posting that came with MPP. But it's only working in the root domain and not in any of the sub-domains....
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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    Today I checked the adsense account I've set up for this MPP, and with 100 sites distributed on 2 domains I banked $43 in a little less than a month.

    I probably wont delete them and give them more time on the net, and perhaps if I'm in the mood I'll give them some link juice...

    Anyway the system will drip some coins if you play smart, but my guess is that any program, system, software are just a small part of the equation, your brain still get the bigger part.
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    • Profile picture of the author yossic
      Neodarth,

      I just noticed that you are from Chile. Hola che!
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    • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
      Originally Posted by neodarth View Post

      but my guess is that any program, system, software are just a small part of the equation, your brain still get the bigger part.
      So true!

      No matter how good the system is (or isn't) the individual behind it still needs to have a good plan and be able to impliment it properly.
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      • Profile picture of the author neodarth
        Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

        So true!

        No matter how good the system is (or isn't) the individual behind it still needs to have a good plan and be able to impliment it properly.
        Exactly, take two people and give them a chocolate cake receipt, give them the exact same ingredients and guide them on each step of the cooking process, the result... the two chocolate cakes will not taste the same.

        Human factor is one variable that many people overlook...
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  • Profile picture of the author yossic
    Neodarth, are you using the mass deploy or you built all those sites by hand?

    Also, you mentioend adsense but not clickbank or amazon. Which theme are you using. I purchased the Talian theme and it's pretty cool. It automatically pulls in all these clickbank and adsense adverts!
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    • Profile picture of the author neodarth
      Originally Posted by yossic View Post

      Neodarth, are you using the mass deploy or you built all those sites by hand?

      Also, you mentioend adsense but not clickbank or amazon. Which theme are you using. I purchased the Talian theme and it's pretty cool. It automatically pulls in all these clickbank and adsense adverts!
      Yes I created the sites using the mass deploy I've set them up and drop them.

      no clickbank or amazon commissions (a couple of clicks though).

      The theme is the good 'ol twenty ten 1.1
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  • Profile picture of the author vetteran
    Hmmm, B. Mc. has been long absent from this thread.

    The deal sounded suspiciously too good to be true.

    Why he want to sell it if makes so much money?

    Altruism? Yeah, right.

    btw, while I'm here, I have a few Geese left that lay Golden Eggs - only
    $47 . . .
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  • Profile picture of the author yossic
    UPDATE:

    I got all the sites in the cluster to auto-post. I had to take the drastic approach of wiping out EVERYTHING and start from scratch. But hey! It works.

    I also edited the upgrade.php file so that the default hello world post is not created. Same thing for that default comment.

    Does anybody here have the unencrypted version of the MD plugin? I could sure use having the source code in order to apply some nice tweaks..
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  • Profile picture of the author yossic
    This is a bit disconcerting......

    My "main" domain in the cluster went from being #8 in Google to 96. That was yesterday. Today it's nowhere to be found. On Altavista I went from #1 to #41. Oddly enough I'm still #1 in Yahoo. I used to be #4 on MN Live and now I'm 0!

    Now I don't know if this is part of the process or if Google is pissed off at the fact that I've created all these subdomains....

    My next step is to set up an experiment. I read somewhere that sub-folders are more beneficial to the cluster because the ranking of each site (sub-folder) contributes to the ranking of the whole site.

    I'm going to rebuild the cluster but this time with sub-folders instead of sub-domains.

    Am I being impatient? The cluster is only about a week old, even though the domain is close to 9 months old...
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  • Profile picture of the author yossic
    About the $197 upsell......

    It's lacking a few features and is not flexible enough. After giving it some thought, I've decided that I'm probably better off returning it and instead using a scripting tool such as ubot. It will cost me the same but at least I'll be able to set things up EXACTLY the way I want them.
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    • Profile picture of the author bradlean
      I have a massive passive plugin wordpress.

      Does this thing related to spamming?

      I just tried to freehosting then turns out they terminate my account..

      Too bad isn't it?
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  • Profile picture of the author wheltent
    After many hours, I am still trying to find the plug-in wp-mpp. In the videos it appears to be in a file on the computer, not in mine. I am trying to understand the installation instructions from mcrea. I'm confused. I've read directions, watched videos. How do I get it into my computer? And Where I can get to it and use it?
    Getting my hands on the plug-in itself is my problem. Help got me an ambiguous answer, I download the package again. Still lost. Any help will be appreciated.
    Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author bradlean
      Just show him the proof of purchase...

      Me I just purchase it and download it.

      I don't say this plug-in is useless but once google figure's out,
      may be they will suspend your account.

      Anyway, need also some good feed back or what else can you say
      about the massive passive plugin?
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    • Profile picture of the author yossic
      Originally Posted by wheltent View Post

      After many hours, I am still trying to find the plug-in wp-mpp. In the videos it appears to be in a file on the computer, not in mine. I am trying to understand the installation instructions from mcrea. I'm confused. I've read directions, watched videos. How do I get it into my computer? And Where I can get to it and use it?
      Getting my hands on the plug-in itself is my problem. Help got me an ambiguous answer, I download the package again. Still lost. Any help will be appreciated.
      Paul
      You need to download the plugin. It's on the members page. See where it says Step 1 - Download Software? It's the first download right under it. The one that reads "Massive Passive Software". There's a blue sphere with a white arrow in it. Click on that to download the zip file. Save that zip file on your PC.

      Next, go into the admin site of your WP blog and install it.
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  • Profile picture of the author yossic
    By the way, this multi-site thing is a feature of WP 3.0. I found some online instructions on how to enable multisite. I then found a blog templating plugin that can be used when creating the multiple sites. Note that the above applies only to multi sites and not to mass creating them.

    What I was able to replicate is what Massive Passive Software does. It was a bit of a pin and if you ask me, I'll keep the plugin.

    As far as the $197 upsell, I will be returning it soon and insted will do whast it's supposed to do, and even better, with ubot. At some point I will be rolling up my sleves and will probably write my own plugin but for the time being ubot will do the trick.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Reed
      Well my experience so far is mixed, and as yet inconclusive.

      I have lost my way a few times in the process but do finally have the mass deploy installed with MPP and I am working my way slowly through the CSV file for my first multi sub domain site.

      It does take a whiile when you are new to it. I had to start my template building all over again because I hadn't installed the Mass Deploy element along with MPP.

      I've also already spent about 8 hours (some time wasted by not being familiar with csv as opposed to excel 2000, so I lost a lot of work and had to repeat a stack of it) just getting to the first few sub domain inputs. Even the Domain Name and Domain Title columns take a while as one has no spaces but the other does (maybe I should know how to do this with a macro or something?).

      I listened in to Bill's Webinar on using Keyword Dissection with MPP and it reassured me somewhat that there can be mileage in this program.

      I'm struggling a bit with sorting out a template I can be happy with for these multi blogs but am currently working on Talian 5 as recommended by Bill. I don't like the very narrow space left for the Article because of the Google ads in the main text box, but I don't know how to change that.

      I have Socrates available but haven't yet been able to get that to work for me so I'm trying Talian because then at least Bill's instructions are relevant.
      (I did get a reply from Support to my query about finding the Plug In - same detail as given me by Yossic).

      I have arranged to have most of tomorrow off work so (unless my daughter suddenly goes into labour and I'm baby-sittiing my "almost 3 year-old" grandson) I intend to finish off my template adjustments and give a multi subdomain site a real bash.

      It looks as though I can try 25 to start with and then add another pile if those work out and look satisfactory. I've got about 90 in hand but don't want to run before I can walk steadily!!

      Anyone else got anything to add that might help??

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  • Profile picture of the author cufflinks
    Hi John

    Hope everything goes well with your daughter's labour and baby sitting the grandson. I'd be curious to see how you go with mass deployment. Yes, agree, walk first before run. 25 sounds like a good start!

    Hi Yossic

    Could you keep us posted on how you can use massive passive without the mass deploy. Its not very affordable! If you are happy with the ubot, could you kindly share your experience with us? Good luck with the mass deployment!

    Regards
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  • Profile picture of the author yossic
    OK gang, here is my latest report on this product:

    I purchased MPP and the Mass Deploy upsell. What the MPP plugin does is:

    1) Enable Multi Site in WP
    2) Add a campaign feature that can be used for Amazon, YouTube, Ezines and ArtcleBase. You can specify the category for each campaign, which is nice to have. YouTube stuff can go in the Videos category, Amazon items can go in the Books and Accessories, category, etc.

    Mind you that you can set for each site more than one campaign and each campaign can be on its own schedule. If you ask me, it's worth the $47 to not have to go through the manual steps of editing PHP files in oder to enable WP's multi site feature. Besides, you get the three different campaigns on top of that. I ended up returning the product but not for the reasons that you may think. I'll tell you at the end of this post. Again, I do think that what you get for the $47 is definitely worth it.

    Now comes the Mass Deploy upsell. This one sounds cool! You set up a site exactly the way you want it, with plugins and all, and use it as a template to create hundreds of subdomain (or subfolder) based sites. This one is a bit more expensive at $197 but you would think that it's definitely worth it because of the enormous amount of time that it would save you.

    Unfortunately MD (Mass Deploy) is not fully developed. It should have been taken a few notches higher. Here are the shortcomings:

    1) You can specify only one campaign. It may include posts from Amazon, YouTube and articles but it's still one campaign per site.

    2) You cannot assign different categories to each post type for each site. In other words, you might as well have no categories at all.

    3) You are stuck with the tag line that reads "Just another XXXXXX Site". In order to change it you need to edit each site by hand.

    4) Each site will have that stupid "Hello World" post. The plugin should have killed that default post as well as the default comment that goes with it.

    5) It only creates five sites at a time. In order to create the next 5 sites you need to click on a button. So if you are creating 150 sites, you have to click that blasted button 30 times.

    6) There is no way to specify the contents of the "About" page. Every site needs an About page! You can create an About page in your "template" site but the contents will be the same across all your sites.

    As you can tell, I am not that impressed with the $197 upsell. I figured that I can do a lot better by either writing my own or for the sake of expediency use a macro tool such as ubot.

    What really ticked me off is that it appears that the product is dead! No news on updates. No news on upcoming features. Nothing! That is why I returned both products. I'm also ticked off major time about the false statements in the sales letter.

    I still like the idea of multi sites for the plain and simple reason that you can have domain names that would otherwise not be available. For example, if you wanted to have a learnguitar domain name you now can by creating a subdomain such as learnguitar.mydomain.com.

    So what's next for me? Well, I'll be enabling the multi site feature by hand and creating all the sites with ubot (or a better tool if I can find one). As far as campaigns go, I figured that I can't go wrong with a product such as WP Robot.
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  • Profile picture of the author yossic
    Now I am even starting to question if this whole multi-site thing is even worth it. I set up two test multisites. Both are related to guitar. The first domain name is a guitar related keyword and has about 150 subdomains. The second domain name has nothing to do with guitars. I set up the exact same subdomains on this one as on the first domain.

    I get some traffic coming into the first one, but then again, I was getting some traffic in there before I converted it to a multi-site.

    The second domain is about 2 weeks old and so far I've gotten close to no traffic.

    On the first domain I'm on and off the first page of google (for the keyword matching it's name). One of the subdomains on the new site has the same name as the main domain of the first site. So far no ranking at all.

    So what I'll do next is try to use two plugins to try and generate backlinks and traffic. I'll try using Web Traffic Genius and WP Syndicator on both sites.

    Does anybody have any experience with these plugins?
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    • Profile picture of the author mistermint
      Originally Posted by yossic View Post


      So what I'll do next is try to use two plugins to try and generate backlinks and traffic. I'll try using Web Traffic Genius and WP Syndicator on both sites.

      Does anybody have any experience with these plugins?
      I use rss submit software, it's manual but it is much less expensive though, I can control which directories the feeds are submitted to..

      WTG will make an rss feed from any WP post or page and submit it to the directories on auto pilot..this has to be a good tool for anyone.

      As I understand it when you buy you get a stand alone version included for static sites. Most new IM's don't realise the power of rss for both outbound and inbound information..

      If you don't have the spare cash right now here is a free RSS submitter

      There will be a warrior with experience of wp syndicator for sure..

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    • Profile picture of the author Cyrious
      Originally Posted by yossic View Post

      Now I am even starting to question if this whole multi-site thing is even worth it. I set up two test multisites. Both are related to guitar. The first domain name is a guitar related keyword and has about 150 subdomains. The second domain name has nothing to do with guitars. I set up the exact same subdomains on this one as on the first domain.

      I get some traffic coming into the first one, but then again, I was getting some traffic in there before I converted it to a multi-site.

      The second domain is about 2 weeks old and so far I've gotten close to no traffic.

      On the first domain I'm on and off the first page of google (for the keyword matching it's name). One of the subdomains on the new site has the same name as the main domain of the first site. So far no ranking at all.

      So what I'll do next is try to use two plugins to try and generate backlinks and traffic. I'll try using Web Traffic Genius and WP Syndicator on both sites.

      Does anybody have any experience with these plugins?
      Hi Yossic

      Just a few quick pointers that may be helpful.

      1. Build your sites BEFORE you activate the Web Traffic Genius plugin, because there is a conflict that will stop blog creation working correctly. You could deactivate, build then activate again - but - I think you would need to reconfigure WTG each time you deactivate it. WTG is not really a multisite thing as yet- they may upgrade it in the future.

      2. I've been using WP Syndicator for a little less than a year. It works really well although I have not been able to get some of the bookmarking/syndication sites to work properly i.e. about 10%. It is a set and forget deal - meaning you can sign up to the syndication sites and add your details to the plugin- takes about 1 hour using Roboform - or if you wanted free - Clipboard Magic would speed up the process as well. Best to then do a post ( or choose an existing one), syndicate it and visit the sites to iron out any bugs at that point eg - sometimes the first post has to be manual, sometimes the profile has to be filled in to a certain extent prior to posting etc- all worth getting right at the beginning.
      Be sure to set the auto-syndication option.

      3. This is just for those who know what they are doing with automation- I use IMacros quite effectively to do any site customisation that i want e.g deleting hello dolly post and comments, removing blogroll links.

      4. Because it is best to only use these on the root blog - a little trick to promoting the sub blogs is to use them as extrafeeds in the config of WTG.

      And my quick review of the product - there are certainly some better ways - but with a bit of tweaking this thing works quite well.

      Cheers
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    The nice thing about massive passive profits if you have the wordpress talian adsense theme.
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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      Originally Posted by jambaman2 View Post

      Thanx Sylvia,
      I truly don't believe everything I read, ESPECIALLY online(!!), but for me there's a limit to how much I can investigate, not having all THAT much experience in the first place.

      However, most of those questions you posed simply go over my head, and are beyond my capacity to persue.
      I do see what folx have to see in forums though....
      It's true, many newbies won't understand, but some will. Best to give a good list and let people use what they do know to protect themselves. Checking with forums like WF and especially review sites, like this one, is certainly one of the top ways to check out a product before buying. Who better to give you insight than people who have experienced buying and using the product, and seeking support.

      Originally Posted by seo2go View Post

      Is this thing still around and being sold?

      I bought it but the link to the forum used doesn't work any more for several weeks now. Contacted support via a ticket but after many days the response didn't answer the question of make any sense at all.

      If anyone can post or pm me a link to a working forum I would appreciate it (i hope this request doesn't break any rules of this forum).
      From what others have posted here, it sounds like the guy simply shut down his forum because he didn't like what was being posted. It's not likely he'll start another one, considering what happened the first time. So it looks like you're on your own. So glad I got a refund!

      Good luck!

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  • Profile picture of the author zirkamer
    This thing will get your Adsense account banned for sure! If I were to try it, I would leave my Adsense account out. Too valuable to lose it. Does look pretty cool if you could get it working as advertised. The big downside is that these scraper type programs really do not add any value to the web which is bad for all in the end. -Z
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  • Profile picture of the author RobKonrad
    Sad thing is - even if he spoiled his reputation in here, just a hand full of people are reading this, and there are thousands of others who will buy this product believing the sales copy.... so it doesn't make any difference whether or not his claims about 200 copies, 68 traffic streams or whatever are true or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      Originally Posted by murokoma View Post

      Sad thing is - even if he spoiled his reputation in here, just a hand full of people are reading this, and there are thousands of others who will buy this product believing the sales copy.... so it doesn't make any difference whether or not his claims about 200 copies, 68 traffic streams or whatever are true or not.
      Well, over 15,000 people have read this thread to date, so it's not all going to waste.

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  • Profile picture of the author Andycoates
    I Agree 100% with RSBerg

    How the hell can 3000! be anywhere near 200! I mean it just cant! not even if you squint your eyes up real tight!!!

    Scarcity is one thing but that's just out 'N' out Bollocks in my humble newbies opinion

    Not bad for one of my first post here on W/F

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  • Profile picture of the author mrpals
    Well not to throw spoils to the masses but "Auto Generated Content" is in TOTAL violation of Google Adsense TOS.

    Unoriginal Content

    Did you know that sites using software to generate automated information or otherwise unoriginal content is a serious violation of our policies? Read our webmaster quality guidelines, and if you find violating sites within our network, feel free to report them to us.



    Not only are you about to be crushed in Serps over duplicate content, many are about to lose their adsense accounts as well, Just remember that when you put all that time and effort into them and then it is taken away without warning.

    The perfect Auto blogger would pull content, spin it, rewrite the title, add an image complete with caption, description etc... and then post it...

    Jump ship... When Gurus dump their wares they have already sucked the life out of it and then pawn it off on the unsuspecting all the while knowing it is obsolete.
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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      Well, with all the new Google changes and issues being discussed about sites without original content, auto-blogs and the like, I've decided not to go this route at all. Which is too bad, because after returning the Massive Passive Profits, I purchased another system by Mike Johnson... Auto Blog System, which appeared to be a superior product with better support. Well, the support is debatable. I don't know what it is about getting really good support these days.

      Anyway, no sour grapes here. Just to say that what I did get from Mike's system is some good training that I can use in other types of sites. I set up one site with his system, which included some cool plugins and such, but it's not going to be an auto blog after all.

      As far as the MPP program goes, I'm actually shocked that people are putting so much work into trying to make it work. Nothing should be THAT difficult or time-consuming especially when he provides you with the install program with the necessary add-ons.

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  • Profile picture of the author jficarro
    I like to look at sales letters and launches to keep current and gain insight, but one thing really bugs me.... (I know it's common - but that doesn't make it right)

    The sales letter (sight) states that they are only selling 199 of the product. But when you look at the clickbank afflilate page, they run a contest for affilates where 1st place is only for people who sell more than 300, 2nd place is only for people who sell 150, etc.

    Seriously. I love marketing and all the tactics involved... but to blatantly lie about the number of products you will sell is illegal and immoral.

    The hype and false claims hurts us all.

    NOTE: I did not purchase, so I am not evaluating the product nor making any claim that it's good or bad. Just tired of people saying things that aren't true simply because they can hide behind a server.
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  • Profile picture of the author hangdala
    I am at last at the pooint to try this method. Start soon, and later tell about results... Hope the best.
    Definitely I want to combine it with unique content too.
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  • Profile picture of the author alisa777
    I've heard they will be lunching the new (supposedly more powerful) version on December 6, 2011.
    Any of the present users know if they will get the upgrade for free ?
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    • Profile picture of the author TEC
      Originally Posted by alisa777 View Post

      I've heard they will be lunching the new (supposedly more powerful) version on December 6, 2011.
      Any of the present users know if they will get the upgrade for free ?
      I just bought th Massive Passive Profits today...and the plug in doesn't work...there support phone number won't let you leave any messages because the mail box is full...they won't answer my support tickets either...and this purchase was NOT through clickbank so it's going to be a lot harder to get my money back.

      DO NOT BUY THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Profile picture of the author John Reed
    I recall buying this product at least a couple of years back and it proved too long winded and cumbersome for me at the time. I'm sure I've contacted their support desk within the last 18 months to ask if they'd automated any more of it - But got an answer saying NO.
    Now, and it's almost Sepember 2012, Tim Atkinson is pushing it again with a long hypey video - It may have a "Re-Loaded" tag attached but I'm betting it's no better a version than the first one so I'd just say "Be Careful Out There - or you WILL get rolled over!!"
    John

    PS: It's even reduced to $27 as a downsell if you are sensible and refuse the $47 version!
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  • Profile picture of the author Archimedes
    I know this is an old thread, but I thought I'd chime in with a new post. I was a customer of Bill McRea in the past. Read several posts from various sources that touted he was an "ethical" marketer. Forked out good money (don't recall if it was $197 or $497) for the highly touted Never Fail List System (NFLS) shortly before my father had a stroke. NFLS got put in the back burner so I could take care of my father, who passed away six months later.

    Right around that time, my Dell Inspiron laptop's motherboard failed and I was not able to access my NFLS purchase info or access info for another four or five months. I was finally able to recover my access info by recovering the HDD, but when I tried to log in, I learned the entire NFLS member access website with the software and videos was GONE! I then found the support forums had disappeared as well. After trying to contact support several times, without any results, I gave up. Obviously, it was too late for a refund.

    I was pretty PISSED that Bill McRea did not provide any updates for such a pricy package and just canned the whole deal without providing any support for NFLS purchasers or even a friendly notice that the product is being discontinued. All I ever received from him after that purchase was a LOT of junk affiliate emails pushing sales of other products, until he shut his websites down.

    Just recently, I dug around and was able to contact a support staff member of Bill McRea's software company. I was offered no explanation of what happened, except that it was discontinued and was given a link to another of his products selling for $47 as a replacement for the NFLS package I had purchased at a much higher price point.

    Frankly, I'd rather get my money back. Based on my rotten experience with Bill McRea, I will not purchase anything from him again... and I definitely do NOT think he is an "ethical" marketer at this point.

    My warning: Caveat Emptor. I'd pass on anything from Bill McRea.
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    • Profile picture of the author djbtile
      IT"S BACK!!!!! Now it's called Massive Income Machines

      Guess who's going to make Massive Income! Bill.
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