Better Virtual Assistants: Filipinos, Indians, or Pakistani? Experiences please.

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The subject says it all. Please relate any experiences you have with any of these. I am about to hire a Pakistani VA and I have never known anyone to have a VA from there.
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    I think there are good ones in both. Don't forget Bangladesh.
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  • Profile picture of the author HotDamnShortSales
    I have much better success with odesk vs elance. try them, you can sort by their feedback,tests,hours,etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author fbernar
      Originally Posted by HotDamnShortSales View Post

      I have much better success with odesk vs elance. try them, you can sort by their feedback,tests,hours,etc.
      ODESK seems pricey. I just went to the homepage and it shows people at like $30/hr and stuff!
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      • Profile picture of the author Bobster0007
        Originally Posted by fbernar View Post

        ODESK seems pricey. I just went to the homepage and it shows people at like $30/hr and stuff!
        You can find much cheaper. Just sort by price on the right side.
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        • Profile picture of the author fbernar
          I guess I will check out ODESK and find out what is to be had there.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheBusinessNomad
    There are plenty of great VAs in both countries, and plenty of awful ones too. The only real way to be sure is to test. Try a few VAs out for a few small jobs, get them to fully report on their work and pick the best 2 or 3. Then re-test for those 2 or 3 and pick the best.

    It costs a little more up front, but it might save you a lot of wasted expense later...

    Incidentally, get friday have been great for me in the past - they are an indian VA company. Not the cheapest, but good for sporadic work.

    Hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheBusinessNomad
    Good point: Odesk is awesome. Again, great choice for sporadic work, although you can also find some great suppliers for ongoing work.
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  • Profile picture of the author gekko2.0
    I kinda dig American VA's but thats just me
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  • Profile picture of the author myeanne
    Well, odesk is a freelancer sites where you can find cheap freelancer. However, always remember that you can get what you've paid for. It is better to spend your money with the right person by hiring staff leasing from a reputable firm.
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  • Profile picture of the author leopi
    Both are great.
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    • I have tried both and been pleasantly surprised. I thought the language thing might be a problem, but it hasn't been. I have had both good and bad employees from both the Philippines and india, but all in all I have been very happy with them. I do prefer to pay per service instead of weekly. That way I usually get what I paid for. The whole outsourcing thing has been rather new to me but I can see the potential. I hope to do more outsourcing in the future and would like to have several full time oursourced employees
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      • Profile picture of the author rkcc4
        I have had really BAD experience in India, had one project where we scoped a new version of software to demo to a new client. The sods tried to flog it not realising that the only person it could help was our competitors in that market. To add insult to injury their offer to sell it (not realising what it was) beat us on the Google rating! We got them to take it down but it was in the Google cache. Later our competitors released a new version with our new interface.

        The other experience I had was finding a great company that said all the right things, developed the software on time, but their programmers posted the source to our site for $5.

        So for me they are only good for donkey work and .PH seem better but I would not trust either for anything that has IPR. You simply can't enforce it in these countries.
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        • Profile picture of the author apoorv.parijat
          It depends on a lot of factors. You'll find extremely skilled, talented and hard working people in both the countries. At the same time, there are people who are not so skilled or talented, too.

          I've got in-house team of 11 working in India and a few people from PH. Your hiring process should be good enough to weed out the bad prospectives and select only those who will fit your needs - both skills and attitude wise.

          Have a set and strict selection process. When you post your job, direct all the e-mails to a separate e-mail and have the gMail vacation autoresponder enabled. In that autoresponder, have a link to a questionnaire consisting of 6-7 questions. You can write them yourselves depending on the tasks you're hiring for.

          That will weed out a lot of people itself. The ones who do take the test - go through their resumes and pick the ones you think are good for the second round of interview. Conduct that over Skype and then you can sign the hiring agreements, etc (if you have any).

          Then, the training is extremely important, too. Good training in the early stages can save you lots of time, frustration and money (!) later. You don't have to spend lots of time correcting their mistakes, etc.

          These days, I have a QA gal who takes care of checking everything is in the right place and being done the right way plus other couple of general stuff. She's from Phillipines, and she's great. Her work ensures that other people's work is according to the benchmark set by the organization. This way, I don't have to spend hours manually checking if each and every order is being done the right way. Similarly, several other people fill other such holes. Makes my job really easy.

          They have their set tasks that they get in the morning through Basecamp. If they have to interact, they use Campfire and we usually have a team session at least once a week. All the training, important passwords, other information is posted in Backpack. Once they are done with the day's worklog, they complete a form that we created using Google Docs. It automatically fills up a spreadsheet and the QA gal can pick up from that point and see if everything was done correctly, etc.

          Being in India, I *usually* prefer programmers in India. Its much easier to explain stuff, especially technical, in person than it is online (Or rather, I've not found the right solution!).

          Make no mistake though, you can easily find really good programmers in PH, too. Same with any other task - there are plenty of good and skilled people in either country. You just need to know where to advertise, how to hire and how to train.

          However, to extract the best out of these people, it's really important to have good systems in place. From hiring to training, and every other single thing in your business; break it down into small things and then assign those small things to specific workers. As you go, you'll refine and better that process thus making it more effective. However, you have to start simple and keep on building on that process.
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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    I don't think the country from where the VA comes, play a crucial role on which you hired. I'm more fond to work with people as "people" as much as any ethnic or country distinction.

    People are skilled, people are focused, people are hard worker. Ethnics are too vague as a factor to be considered relevant to determine the capacity of a VA. But I guess you are not looking for excellency alone, you are looking also for cheaper hand labour... but then I guess, it's just my third-world way of think speaking.
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  • Profile picture of the author chiwawa
    You can get good and professional VA's at an affordable price on Odesk. Yeah, both contries make good VA's.
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  • Profile picture of the author fbernar
    Anyone have experience working with Pakistani VA's?
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    • Profile picture of the author Haroon Ballim
      Originally Posted by fbernar View Post

      Anyone have experience working with Pakistani VA's?
      Better Virtual Assistants: Filipinos, Indians, or Pakistani?

      Do people still think like this in this century. You seem to want to judge nationalities with experience some may have had with a few.
      Not sure which country you are from but there are people worldwide with excellent skills and abilities and people that are less skilled or service orientated. Which country they hail from is immaterial. Are people in your city all the same , in fact are people in the same street as you all the similar .. Of course not. There are some that think like you and others that are a bit more enlightened
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      • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
        My favorite are from Kazakhstan. They work really hard.

        Middle Eastern Teenage Girls from Brooklyn are also really good too. lol

        Anyway, to be serious, you may want to check VA agencies as someone previously mentioned.

        One that comes to mind is a company by the name of Longer Days
        Link -> Virtual Assistants | Virtual Assistant Company

        I haven't personally used them yet, but heard really good things about them from
        a couple of friends who did.

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      • Profile picture of the author fbernar
        Prices depend on what country they are from though and although in America they may charge $15+/hr it doesn't mean they are better than those from India or Pakistan. That's why I am asking for PERSONAL experiences. If you don't have one, don't reply to this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOGlobal
    What do you think about this site: John Jonas on Living The 4-Hour Workweek , it a website about outsourcing, it is quite interesting any comments on this?
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  • Profile picture of the author coolbreeze
    whats a fair or average $/hr to expect for VA work? I assume from around $4 - $10 depending on skills.
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  • Profile picture of the author yoyo
    i have had bad experiences with Indians, i am now using a company in pakistan and they are pretty awsome, just make sure you give them bonuses and pay rises to keep them motivated
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    • Profile picture of the author Oliver Denton
      Be careful when you are hiring Indians. I tried twice and got burnt badly. The guys, to beat copyscape sent me content where O was replace with 0 (zero) and I couldn't detect it. When I spotted it, and sent it back, they said it was an error. Guess what they did next. They used the Greek O in MS Word, so that it would pass copyscape.

      This, I couldn't detect, but a friend of mine did, with his custom software. When we cleared the Greek O, and then ran it on copyscape, it was plagiarized entirely from another authority site.

      All in all, I lost about 3000 bucks.

      Recently, I hired another guy, who goes by the name azee111 on digitalpoint. I gave him a sample of 60 articles. Pure scam. He sent me content that was worse than one generated by a software. When I asked him for a edit, he said it is not possible, and asked for payment. I did pay him, but vowed not to hire Indians again. Never.

      I don't know about Pakistanis, but I think you have to be careful hiring people from the Indian sub-continent (India, pak, bangla, etc)

      On the other hand, have had good experience with Filipinos and Sri Lankans. Good English and timely delivery.
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