Digital Access Pass versus Wishlist Member? Why use one over the other?

16 years ago

Originally Posted by roblawrence

I'm looking at a few membership site scripts and not sure what the difference is between Digital Access Pass and Wishlist Member. Why is one better than the other? Any advantages/disadvantages? I'm looking for real-world experience from people who have used both or either one, not a sales pitch. Can you explain?

I use wishlist.. why... support.. Also the add on wishlist insider is very useful , (it's a paid forum)

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Jeremy Kelsall

16 years ago

To me, out of all the plugins, scripts, and plans I've ever used, DAP is just better.

Better functionality
Better support
Better features

Just better

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roblawrence

16 years ago

Any technical limitations or better features of either one? I noticed that with Wishlist member you can't use Authorize.net directly to process your orders and must go through an external shopping cart like 1shoppingcart. 1shoppingcart then charges you a $99 monthly free AND 25 cents for EACH recurring billing, EVERY month. So if you have 1,000 members that's an extra $250 out of your pocket, so a total of about $350/month extra you're paying. That's one big thing I noticed but I'm cautious that there may be other issues with either script. Any surprises like this in DAP? Any quirks you want to share?

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Jeremy Kelsall

16 years ago

Originally Posted by roblawrence

Any technical limitations or better features of either one? I noticed that with Wishlist member you can't use Authorize.net directly to process your orders and must go through an external shopping cart like 1shoppingcart. 1shoppingcart then charges you a $99 monthly free AND 25 cents for EACH recurring billing, EVERY month. So if you have 1,000 members that's an extra $250 out of your pocket, so a total of about $350/month extra you're paying. That's one big thing I noticed but I'm cautious that there may be other issues with either script. Any surprises like this in DAP? Any quirks you want to share?

I've used DAP on 4 occasions for non-IM stuff, and have never been "surprised" by anything. Every single review that I've ever read has been positive, and they are generally just pleasant to deal with.

With all that being said, our sites are pretty straight forward, and we're not doing all kinds of crazy stuff with them, but the functionality that it comes with I'm pretty sure would allow you to pretty much do whatever you want for the most part.

I've never used wishlist, but have heard good things about them as well, but don't have any first hand experience. They were next on our list if DAP didn't work out, fortunately though, they were exactly what we needed, easy to work with, and very cost efficient.

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E. Brian Rose

16 years ago

I have never recommended a product more than I do DAP. Ravi and his wife are exceptional with support and open to hearing ideas for expansion. The features of their software are second to none. Do a little research and I am sure that you will agree.

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Alan Petersen 16 years ago

If you do a search in the "Internet marketing reviews" section of the forums you'll find several threads already about this. Here is a good one...

http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...te-script.html

I'm also a DAP user. Their support is excellent and they're coming up with awesome new features all the time. And they have some pretty cool features coming down the pike.

I've never used Wishlist so I can't tell you why use one over the other. I've never had to since I'm happy with DAP.
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15 years ago

Hi E. Brian,

I have about 40+ WSOs going through W+.
I started to use JVzoo a little bit.

Are you aware of any warrior using Nanacast with JVzoo to deliver their WSOs?

thanks,
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Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose

I have never recommended a product more than I do DAP. Ravi and his wife are exceptional with support and open to hearing ideas for expansion. The features of their software are next to none. Do a little research and I am sure that you will agree.

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16 years ago

I am using DAP for my Internet marketing project (looked my sig) and you could view how DAP got a good grip at delivering content, protecting it and other aspect of a membership site.

My advice is, if you don't want to spend much time in setting up a membership site, you should go with DAP. DAP takes 30 minutes to set up, from downloading the package file until you finish setting up every thing for your membership site.

You could take a look at OptimizePress. it's a Wordpress theme to build a membership site that has full support for DAP.

What I didn't like about DAP is sometimes, sending broadcast email doesn't work because my consumers say they didn't receive email with username and password when they purchase. In addition, setting up SMTP host seems taking a long time as well.

You could look into MemberWing. It has a lots of nice features like the one which embeds a signature file with your files so you can track down who has shared your content illegally across the Internet.

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Bryan Toder 16 years ago

I started using DAP two weeks ago after wasting my time and money with MagicMembers.

DAP is so easy to use and I got my first membership site up quite quickly.

Support is amazing. I created several membership sites with DAP and ran into a nice glitch. Veena fixed the problem immediately and I am a very happy customer.

They listen to their customers and (from reading the posts in the forum) add features that their loyal customers ask for.

Truly, just get DAP and you'll be happy.
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- Kevin AKA Hubcap 16 years ago
  
  Might I suggest taking a look at SiteManPro.
  
  It's a new membership script that's free for the first domain and $40 for unlimited domains.
  
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darrin_kuykendall

16 years ago

Technical Limitations:
What I've found on technical limitations is that NEITHER Wishlist nor DAP are fully compatible (officially) with Wordpress Multisite.

Multisite is the future, and all plugins should have the ability to be multi-functional between Single-Site Wordpress & Multi-site.

This is a major drawback to both plugins I wish they would fix immediately. For example, another major Wordpress feature that is gaining traction is Buddy Press & the plugins. So, think of having the following scenario:
3 Membership sites on 1 Wordpress domain, using 1 wordpress install, showcasing the different members on each site (ie: buddypress), and a membership sign-up/pay/login process (ie: membership plugin). This all could be done with a membership plugin that caters to multisite. Otherwise, you would have to 3 total separate installs.

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BeechHill

16 years ago

Originally Posted by darrin_kuykendall

Technical Limitations:
What I've found on technical limitations is that NEITHER Wishlist nor DAP are fully compatible (officially) with Wordpress Multisite.

Multisite is the future, and all plugins should have the ability to be multi-functional between Single-Site Wordpress & Multi-site.

This is a major drawback to both plugins I wish they would fix immediately. For example, another major Wordpress feature that is gaining traction is Buddy Press & the plugins. So, think of having the following scenario:
3 Membership sites on 1 Wordpress domain, using 1 wordpress install, showcasing the different members on each site (ie: buddypress), and a membership sign-up/pay/login process (ie: membership plugin). This all could be done with a membership plugin that caters to multisite. Otherwise, you would have to 3 total separate installs.

As Kevin mentioned, you may want to take a look at SiteManPro, I believe it will take care of all the above for you.

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RussRuffino

16 years ago

Okay, here's my story:

Built a new membership site using Wishlist Member. It was an absolute nightmare to work with, because there are serious problems right now with PayPal integration. My customers were being taken to the wrong page after payment and couldn't log in. This sucked, because I had just done a webinar and made 80 sales...now I had 80 people who couldn't log in to my site and were bombarding me with e-mails.

I e-mailed Wishlist customer support. No response. Looked on the support forum - like 10 people were having the same issue as me, and had been for a month. No real solution had been posted.

I had another webinar planned for the next day, which was a serious problem. I was anticipating 100 or more new sign-ups, and Wishlist Member wasn't working. Got an automated e-mail from tech support saying they would have an answer for me within a few days.

Nope. Not gonna cut it. I PM'd Ravi (the developer of DAP) and told him my situation. Within 15 minutes of my sending the PM, he was on the phone with me. He installed DAP for me personally, walked me through the installation and all the features, AND migrated all my existing members into DAP.

When you can send ONE PM and be talking on the phone to the guy who wrote the software within 15 minutes, that is customer support!

Since switching to DAP, it's been smooth sailing. Crisis avoided. DAP is the way to go. I'll be using it to secure all of my membership sites in the future.

Russ

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JoeyXoto

14 years ago

This made me buy DAP. lol.

Originally Posted by RussRuffino

Okay, here's my story:

Built a new membership site using Wishlist Member. It was an absolute nightmare to work with, because there are serious problems right now with PayPal integration. My customers were being taken to the wrong page after payment and couldn't log in. This sucked, because I had just done a webinar and made 80 sales...now I had 80 people who couldn't log in to my site and were bombarding me with e-mails.

I e-mailed Wishlist customer support. No response. Looked on the support forum - like 10 people were having the same issue as me, and had been for a month. No real solution had been posted.

I had another webinar planned for the next day, which was a serious problem. I was anticipating 100 or more new sign-ups, and Wishlist Member wasn't working. Got an automated e-mail from tech support saying they would have an answer for me within a few days.

Nope. Not gonna cut it. I PM'd Ravi (the developer of DAP) and told him my situation. Within 15 minutes of my sending the PM, he was on the phone with me. He installed DAP for me personally, walked me through the installation and all the features, AND migrated all my existing members into DAP.

When you can send ONE PM and be talking on the phone to the guy who wrote the software within 15 minutes, that is customer support!

Since switching to DAP, it's been smooth sailing. Crisis avoided. DAP is the way to go. I'll be using it to secure all of my membership sites in the future.

Russ

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by roblawrence

..I'm looking for real-world experience from people who have used both or either one, not a sales pitch. Can you explain?

Hi Rob, I'm a heavy DAP user for a little over a year and I run the ClickBump Member area and Products Dashboard with it.

The only complaint I've ever received from my users is when they use a different paypal email to purchase than the one they used initially. In this case, DAP was creating a second user account and they couldn't find their products under their original account. So I used to get lots of emails like, "Scott, I just ordered and my products are not showing up in the dashboard". And I had to go and remove the extra account and manually add the product to their existing account, which was a big hassle for me for a while.

That issue has since been resolved with DAP 4.0 (perhaps based in part on my pestering of Ravi and Veena), but the fact that they listened and implemented a solution is emblematic of how they do business.

Bottom line is that it works and It works well. They are constantly updating the software with feature requests and enhancements.

It does have some shortcomings in terms of allowing the admin to set up default user login/password requirements, but I'm working with Ravi and Veena to provide some feedback to help them enhance that feature in a future update.

So in closing, I can recommend DAP, with only a few reservations as mentioned, that they are either working on or I expect they will be in one of their frequent product updates.

If and when I hear back from Ravi on whether those enhancements will be in the upcoming 4.1 release, I can give it my unequivocal highest recommendation.

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azmanar 15 years ago

Hi,

For WP Membership plugins, important features I'm looking for are Flexible Membership Packaging, Payment Modules, Sequential Content Drip, Pay Per Post, Autoresponder Integration ( for other than aweber ), File Protection, S3 support, user-friendly and no major complaints in various forums.

After doing some research based on the above, I have shortlisted these awesome WP plugins : S2member, Magic Members and DAP.

From this thread, it seems most of the Warriors whom I have great respect for, are using DAP.

So, I'm bumping this thread up with a few questions regarding DAP.

1. What are the minimum specifications needed by the hosting server to run DAP?

2. I'm not a techie and love user-friendly installations. Can I install DAP without needing any help, just like I installed other plugins?

3. Say I bought a single site license for a specific site using a particular domain. If I want to terminate that domain and server, do I get to transfer the license to another domain and server without any hassle?

4. If I'm not satisfied with this plugin, is it easy to migrate the members data and product data out?

5. If I'm satisfied with a single site license, can I get a discount for unlimited license?

6. Has anyone integrate this system with WSO?

Hope to get some response from Ravi and others.

I need a little nudge.
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Jesus Perez

15 years ago

For a while, I used and recommended Wishlist Member. I no longer do. I'm in the process of migrating my entire business to Nanacast, hunting down all my threads and removing my endorsement for Wishlist. All my Wishlist Member sites experienced the same problems with "temp" users and people not being able to login. Plus, the plugin brought my site to a crawl every single time I enabled it. I'm talking about 8-10 second home page load times. Once deactivated, my home pages loaded within 0.8 - 2.0 seconds. That's a pretty big difference that Google (and customers) don't appreciate.

I tried DAP in the beginning. Support was very responsive but I ended up going with Nanacast in the end. I'll never look at another solution again.

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15 years ago

Hello Jesus,

I like the way a fellow warrior deliver his WSOs using Optimize Press + Wishlist (instead of using W+ only)

Then I found out later by researching that Optimize Press + DAP is better because that would pretty much accommodate everything (W+, JVzoo, Clickbank, Digiresults, Ejunkie...)

Then somebody recommends Nanacast which seems to be the fastest "Time to Market"
However, I got worried when I get back from their support ticket "We don't know what JVzoo is"

And there is Infusionsoft and Kajabi...

What do you think is the best solution for me to securely deliver my video WSOs and possible have a Netflix style membership as an OTO options?

Thank you,
Dinh

Originally Posted by Jesus Perez

For a while, I used and recommended Wishlist Member. I no longer do. I'm in the process of migrating my entire business to Nanacast, hunting down all my threads and removing my endorsement for Wishlist. All my Wishlist Member sites experienced the same problems with "temp" users and people not being able to login. Plus, the plugin brought my site to a crawl every single time I enabled it. I'm talking about 8-10 second home page load times. Once deactivated, my home pages loaded within 0.8 - 2.0 seconds. That's a pretty big difference that Google (and customers) don't appreciate.

I tried DAP in the beginning. Support was very responsive but I ended up going with Nanacast in the end. I'll never look at another solution again.

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Glenn Pegden

15 years ago

Whilst I'd favour DAP over WishList any time (if it wasn't for me considering our own offering was now better than DAP, I'd recommend it unreservedly and I've never worked out WHY WishList is so popular, it seems to lack key features and it seems unless you want to pay extra, standard support is mainly peer support ), have you considered that there are many other good alternatives (and some shockingly bad ones).

Each has it's pros and cons, each has it's strengths and weaknesses and they all have very different price points. I always suggest people take the time to carefully look at their needs and find the best fit, rather than just jump at the ones others are using.

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azmanar

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Glenn Pegden

Whilst I'd favour DAP over WishList any time (if it wasn't for me considering our own offering was now better than DAP, I'd recommend it unreservedly and I've never worked out WHY WishList is so popular, it seems to lack key features and it seems unless you want to pay extra, standard support is mainly peer support ), have you considered that there are many other good alternatives (and some shockingly bad ones).

Each has it's pros and cons, each has it's strengths and weaknesses and they all have very different price points. I always suggest people take the time to carefully look at their needs and find the best fit, rather than just jump at the ones others are using.

Hi Glenn,

I've seen and considered features of other membership plugins such as Your Members, Amember, Wishlist, eMember, Wp-Member, CMS Member, Members and SiteManPro.

I've used Memberwing and Membergate before.

And now I've shortlisted S2Member Pro, Magic Members and DAP.

The closest thing to DAP is Magic Members. S2Member Pro seems to be the best for robustness, compatibility with 3rd parties and price point.

Since you claim Your Member is better than DAP, I'll take a 3rd look at it.

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Glenn Pegden

15 years ago

Originally Posted by azmanar

Hi Glenn,

And now I've shortlisted S2Member Pro, Magic Members and DAP.

Interesting that you shortlisted Magic Members and not Your Members as Magic Members was built from a very old version of YM. They've improved the interface a lot (something we've now done in YM too) but ultimately it's now a shadow of it's sibling.

We've put a lot of effort over the last year or so trying to lose our "techie" edge (we've always been one of the most feature packed) and focused on making the software more user friendly .... oh that and offering secure video streaming and protecting and selling content inside Facebook.

When you come to giving it a try, don't hesitate to contact me if you get any questions. Phone, Email, Live Chat, Skype etc.

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azmanar

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Glenn Pegden

Interesting that you shortlisted Magic Members and not Your Members as Magic Members was built from a very old version of YM. They've improved the interface a lot (something we've now done in YM too) but ultimately it's now a shadow of it's sibling.

We've put a lot of effort over the last year or so trying to lose our "techie" edge (we've always been one of the most feature packed) and focused on making the software more user friendly .... oh that and offering secure video streaming and protecting and selling content inside Facebook.

When you come to giving it a try, don't hesitate to contact me if you get any questions. Phone, Email, Live Chat, Skype etc.

Hi Glen,

Yup. I noticed about the FB feature when I was talking to Tim. He said someone shouted to not forget mentioning that to me. Maybe you could fill us up more about it.

I noticed YM has a great looking interface, packed with all the info I need. The activity stat chart is a good one.

The only thing now that falters is not having a built-in affiliate program. The one referred to me is Zferral. Too expensive for me to maintain. I have already spent a great chunk on content and etc. So Zferral monthly is totally out. Is there any other affiliate plugin I can self-host and sync with YM?

Now talking about S3 support, eventhough YM has that feature already, I have another plugin that fits me well with built-in customizable player and protection. AND HEY !!! YM's support for HTML 5 is really a BIG PLUS POINT, because its in my plans -> ( iPad and iPhone

).

As for the price point for multisite upgrade, I'm enticed.

FYI, Tim has already answered all of the 6 questions I posed in this thread.

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Glenn Pegden

15 years ago

Originally Posted by azmanar

Hi Glen,

Yup. I noticed about the FB feature when I was talking to Tim. He said someone shouted to not forget mentioning that to me. Maybe you could fill us up more about it.

Whilst no Warrior (Tim is a hardcore techie at heart) he does love to chat to customers on our Live Chat (which is where I assume you were talking). It was probably me that shouted to him about the Facebook stuff because I'm really really excited about it.

Essentially, anything you can do with YM, you can now do in Facebook! So protected content, selling, pay per view video, adaptive pricing, drip feeding, almost anything you can do in WordPress, YM now lets you do inside Facebook! Tim recently did a blog post on how you could mimic the BBCs new service that allows people to buy and stream Doctor Who episodes inside Facebook and pay with Facebook credits, with just YM and an Amazon S3 account! People are also loving the fact that as MailChimp are a "trusted partner" of Facebook, we can grab people's details and stick the onto a mailing list automatically (in honours double opt in though). It's got me really really excited!

Originally Posted by azmanar

I noticed YM has a great looking interface, packed with all the info I need. The activity stat chart is a good one.

Thanks, that's all part of our drive to move YM away from just developers and more towards every day users.

Originally Posted by azmanar

The only thing now that falters is not having a built-in affiliate program. The one referred to me is Zferral. Too expensive for me to maintain. I have already spent a great chunk on content and etc. So Zferral monthly is totally out. Is there any other affiliate plugin I can self-host and sync with YM?

We've always taken the view that there are some great existing affiliate packages out there (including Zferal) and we'd let them do what they do well and try not to mimic them. I've seen people hook us into all kinds of existing referal systems in the past. I'm not sure what the common preferred "cheap" option is these days ('cos I acknowledge Zferal isn't cheap), but I can ask around.

Originally Posted by azmanar

As for the price point for multisite upgrade, I'm enticed.

Good to hear. As we've improved the quality of YM, we've gently kept nudging the price up, but I do like to think we're still very competitive.

Originally Posted by azmanar

FYI, Tim has already answered all of the 6 questions I posed in this thread.

That's great to hear. I'll make a sales man of him yet

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ravijayagopal

15 years ago

@azmanar,

Got your PM asking me to comment on this thread.

I don't wish to put down a competitor just to make DAP look good and get a sale - especially not to Glenn, who's been very kind and generous in his comments about DAP throughout the WF in various threads.

I feel it would be more helpful to your research (and easier on my conscience :-) if you asked specific questions about how/whether DAP does "X" or "Y" or "Z" feature.

Hope this helps.

Cheers!

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Alminc

15 years ago

@ravijayagopal:
I'm considering DAP multisite license and I was on your site reading documentation.
I want to replace Paypal with AlertPay, but you don't have AlertPay integrated yet.
Are you going to integrate AlertPay any time soon?

Almin

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ravijayagopal

15 years ago

Almin,

We definitely have this on our ToDo list. Hopefully, we can get to it sooner than later.

Definitely not any time soon (as in, not within the next 1-2 months).

Sorry about that.

- Ravi Jayagopal

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@ravijayagopal:
I'm considering DAP multisite license and I was on your site reading documentation.
I want to replace Paypal with AlertPay, but you don't have AlertPay integrated yet.
Are you going to integrate AlertPay any time soon?

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azmanar

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ravijayagopal

@azmanar,

Got your PM asking me to comment on this thread.

I don't wish to put down a competitor just to make DAP look good and get a sale - especially not to Glenn, who's been very kind and generous in his comments about DAP throughout the WF in various threads.

I feel it would be more helpful to your research (and easier on my conscience :-) if you asked specific questions about how/whether DAP does "X" or "Y" or "Z" feature.

Hope this helps.

Cheers!

- Ravi Jayagopal

Hi Ravi,

Thanks for the response.

You're right and I understood. Glenn and Tim at Your Members are great guys.

Not asking you to put down Your Members at all. It has awesome features for users.

I have 6 simple questions up there, begging for answers. They are pretty generic pre-purchase questions that most people would ask.

So here they are again:

1. What are the best specifications needed by the hosting server to run DAP?

2. I'm not a techie and love user-friendly installations. Can I install DAP without needing any help, just like I installed other plugins?

3. Say I bought a single site license for a specific site using a particular domain. If I want to terminate that domain and server, do I get to transfer the license to another domain and server without any hassle?

4. If I'm not satisfied with this plugin, is it easy to migrate the members data and product data out?

5. If I'm satisfied with a single site license, can I get a discount for unlimited site license? ( special upgrade price ).

6. Has anyone integrate this system with WSO?

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Jesus Perez

15 years ago

Whoa...hold on a second.

Your Members?

Last time I used that plugin, I couldn't get it to integrate with any autoresponder providers easily. They wanted me to hire PHP programmers to build the code that added subscribers to my list via the Your Member API!

Does Your Member have built-in, easy-to-integrate options for Aweber or GetResponse? If so, please include the full list. I see MailChimp, but MailChimp is "anti-affiliate" per their own terms of use which makes them a serious risk to any marketer offering affiliate products.

If these features aren't available yet, I highly recommend looking at alternate solutions.

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Glenn Pegden

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jesus Perez

Whoa...hold on a second.

Your Members?

Last time I used that plugin, I couldn't get it to integrate with any autoresponder providers easily. They wanted me to hire PHP programmers to build the code that added subscribers to my list via the Your Member API!

Does Your Member have built-in, easy-to-integrate options for Aweber or GetResponse? If so, please include the full list. I see MailChimp, but MailChimp is "anti-affiliate" per their own terms of use which makes them a serious risk to any marketer offering affiliate products.

If these features aren't available yet, I highly recommend looking at alternate solutions.

Hi Jesus,

Yep, since we last chatted (around a year ago) we've long ago thrown away the old "Your Responder" (which was designed to be used by developers rather than end users, unless you were using the WP-Mailer) and replaced it with a entirely new MailManager (as I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread, we've been focusing on losing our "techie" edge and making everything much more user friendly and this is just one small move).

Whilst we're rightly proud of our MailChimp integration (MailChimp described it as one of the most complete integrations they've ever seen) we do appreciate that MailChimp aren't exactly "warrior friendly" so we added Awebber and CampaignMonitor support within a week of MailManager's launch too.

I hope that helps,

Glenn

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Glenn Pegden

15 years ago

Actually Jesus,

I remember reading recently in another thread that you've recently ditched WishList (yay !), so don't forget, when you purchased YM you got free updates for the lifetime of the product, so if you want to see how much YM has progressed from v1.6 (which I believe was the last one you used) to v10 then just drop me an email and I'll send you an up to date version.

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Jesus Perez

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Glenn Pegden

Actually Jesus,

I remember reading recently in another thread that you've recently ditched WishList (yay !), so don't forget, when you purchased YM you got free updates for the lifetime of the product, so if you want to see how much YM has progressed from v1.6 (which I believe was the last one you used) to v10 then just drop me an email and I'll send you an up to date version.

Fantastic news, Glenn. I'm looking forward to the GetResponse integration if it's planned. GetResponse has an API that should make it relatively easy for you to setup. Once it's setup, I'll happily give the plugin another run for it's money. Your Member was the only plugin I've used that never presented *any* login issues. It was simply missing the GetResponse integration.

Yes, I've completely moved away from Wishlist. I have one last website I need to remove it from. They never resolved the issues with "temp" users and the plugin brought my sites to a crawl. It became quite frustrating to manage my membership sites.

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15 years ago

I've added GetResponse to our todo board now. One of the dev team have had a look and said it looks like a fairly sensible API, which is promising.

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AllanWM

15 years ago

Does anyone know of a membership plugin or script that will integrate with Wordpress and offer PayPal instant affiliate commissions? Or integrate with DigiResults or SimpleOneClick or another affiliate program that offers instant commissions? I want to eliminate the need for me to generate and send 1099 forms.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by AllanWM

Does anyone know of a membership plugin or script that will integrate with Wordpress and offer PayPal instant affiliate commissions? Or integrate with DigiResults or SimpleOneClick or another affiliate program that offers instant commissions? I want to eliminate the need for me to generate and send 1099 forms.

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Jesus Perez

15 years ago

Originally Posted by AllanWM

Does anyone know of a membership plugin or script that will integrate with Wordpress and offer PayPal instant affiliate commissions? Or integrate with DigiResults or SimpleOneClick or another affiliate program that offers instant commissions? I want to eliminate the need for me to generate and send 1099 forms.

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There's also WP Instant Pay by Big Mike.

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davidrisley

15 years ago

I use Wishlist and like it. I'm not having any problems with it dragging my site down. I *used* to have that problem, but not anymore.

I use Nanacast as my shopping cart and integrate it with Wishlist via an API call. It basically makes Wishlist work kinda like their MemberLock plug-in. I like the flexibility of Wordpress. I found trying to actually keep the content inside of Nanacast to be a bit annoying and their interface wonky. Great cart, though.

DAP is great. I do think Wishlist is easier to use, though.

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P.Sharma

15 years ago

I love digital access pass. Although it is a bit on the higher side in terms of price it saves you a lot of money by saving your products from making it to the bluefart forums

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ronr 15 years ago

Is there a WP membership solution that integrates with Kunaki?
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hustlinsmoke

15 years ago

Sorry wanted to post on this a while but not enough posts, now I got em lol. I know nothing about any membership software other than emember pro I used in the past which I would not rec. to my enemy and Profits Theme, Now don't get me wrong with what I have say.
Profits theme is good although I think they have few too many bugs. I like ole willy and the gang.
I did buy s3 media vault though from Ravi.
By the way Ravi this is the guy who can't get the video to play because of bad convert to mp4 lol.
Anyways I do know he gives me great support with that product. He is very friendly and understanding. I wish I had spent the other 70 bucks or so and bought dap but now I am already over budget and 12 hours into the PT script and don't want any more losses.

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hitesh93

15 years ago

I've used DAP, Wishlist, DLG, custom solutions...you name it.
Overall, I'd say DAP is the best solution in terms of ease of setup, as well as flexibility.
DLG is the most 'lightweight' so if you have coders at your disposal or are one yourself, you can make modifications easily.
Wishlist was kinda disappointing - it was neither as straightforward, nor as flexible as I thought it would be.

All in all - if you're in doubt go with DAP

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Amber Jalink

15 years ago

Okay - so I'll be switching to DAP...

Does anyone know if you can use 1 set of pricing with the JVZoo system for Warrior members, but a totally different scenario for "outside" members? (I realize it creates multiple membership levels, just verifying that the IPN will work with alternate scenarios, i.e., not all coming from JVzoo).

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ravijayagopal

15 years ago

You can create just one DAP product, and then sell access to that same product/level using multiple payment processors.

So, for eg., you could create one product in DAP called "FaceBook Secrets", and then you could create one JVZoo button and put that on one page (secret page just for warriors, say), then create, say, a Paypal button and put it on your main sales page (it could even be on a different sales-page-only web site), and even a third CB-only site for just CB affiliates, and put a ClickBank button on that site.

So all 3 buttons from different payment processors could be adding members to the same "Product" (or "Level") in DAP. You don't have to necessarily create different products/levels in DAP just for this sake.

And all 3 buttons will add the buyer to the main DAP site where DAP is installed.

Only time you need to create multiple copies of same product in DAP for different processors, is if either the content or the dripping or some Product settings is going to be somehow different for buyers coming through each payment processor.

Let me know if that doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by dimeco

Okay - so I'll be switching to DAP...

Does anyone know if you can use 1 set of pricing with the JVZoo system for Warrior members, but a totally different scenario for "outside" members? (I realize it creates multiple membership levels, just verifying that the IPN will work with alternate scenarios, i.e., not all coming from JVzoo).

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ronr 15 years ago

From what I understand DAP is integrated with merchant accounts and Wishlist is only integrated with Paypal.

If this is correct, I would use DAP because I would never risk having a large membership site with payments only through Paypal. Although I've never had a problem with Paypal I know too many people who have had their accounts and payments frozen sometimes for no apparent reason.

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E. Brian Rose

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ravijayagopal

You can create just one DAP product, and then sell access to that same product/level using multiple payment processors.

So, for eg., you could create one product in DAP called "FaceBook Secrets", and then you could create one JVZoo button and put that on one page (secret page just for warriors, say), then create, say, a Paypal button and put it on your main sales page (it could even be on a different sales-page-only web site), and even a third CB-only site for just CB affiliates, and put a ClickBank button on that site.

So all 3 buttons from different payment processors could be adding members to the same "Product" (or "Level") in DAP. You don't have to necessarily create different products/levels in DAP just for this sake.

And all 3 buttons will add the buyer to the main DAP site where DAP is installed.

Only time you need to create multiple copies of same product in DAP for different processors, is if either the content or the dripping or some Product settings is going to be somehow different for buyers coming through each payment processor.

Let me know if that doesn't make sense.

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You could also create more than one JVZoo button and hide all but one from the marketplace. We have several people doing that exact thing with DAP.

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Amber Jalink 15 years ago

Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose

You could also create more than one JVZoo button and hide all but one from the marketplace. We have several people doing that exact thing with DAP.

Your remark makes me think...

I was going over the create a button part for the wso, and I saw the OTO option in JVZoo.

Might you know this: Obviously I can only create one "OTO" price/product, but I really wanted to give two options (pay once or pay monthly for a developer's membership).

Based on your description above, could I simply create additional buttons, hide them from the marketplace, but still include them ON my sales page?

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kbrady

15 years ago

No to throw a monkey in the wrench but I found DAP to be confusing. I liked how Wishlist didn't have a separate login for the membership side and just seemed better integrated with Wordpress. DAP is more powerful I believe but also more difficult to implement for me.

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Debtkiller

15 years ago

I'm building a large Credit Repair / Debt Consolidation / Debt Reduction website with a-lot of articles, programs for debt reduction and credit repair w/ videos, eBooks etc etc etc...I have to have drip content, WSO, Clickbank etc functionality...(oh yeah...and support...NOTHING is any good if support sucks...so when looking over a lot of different programs and checking out the forums, I am choosing DAP.
I reviewed all their videos, and while I am not a techi guy, it looked easy to me!

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Jon12345 15 years ago

After much deliberation I have decided to purchase Digital Access Pass (DAP). There are many reasons for this and I would like to outline them for the benefit of others. Lets face it, its not easy choosing between the popular membership site scripts out there.

My initial search brought Wishlist and aMember, both of which had high Alexa rankings. This told me they are popular, so it must be for a reason, right?

Both products have good reputations and in my mind, there was a battle between the two!

This is when the problems started. Wishlist was built for WordPress and has a reputation for ease of use. aMember has a WordPress plugin but has a reputation for poor ease of use. (Note: this may have been addressed with their recent upgrade to v4). So, Wishlist was the king! But wait! Wishlist has poor forum integration - only forums such as SimplePress. aMember has great forum integration, supporting vBulletin and more. This is important, since members come for the content, but stay for the community. I had to have good forum integration!

Then a friend suggested Digital Access Pass to me. I've heard it mentioned before but never really looked at it in detail. I checked out the Alexa ranking and it was lower and therefore less popular than Wishlist and aMember. Then, I noticed how steep the rise in their Alexa ranking was. It was cutting into the sales of Wishlist and aMember hand over fist!

So why was Wishlist so popular? In my view its because they have a very slick website, very Web 2.0. Also it is easy to use. Why is aMember so popular? In a word, longevity. They have been around for years. However, monopolies get lazy and thats why they are upping their game with the recent increase in competition.

With the rapid rise in DAP's Alexa ranking, they are certainly the one to watch.

That is some of the general background, but why specificially did I go for DAP?

- It is easy to use, just like Wishlist.

- It was built as a WordPress plugin from the ground up, just like Wishlist.

- It has forum integration with not just SimplePress (like Wishlist) but also vBulletin (like aMember), the de facto standard for forums.

- The feature set of DAP has no holes in it. i.e. it does ALL of what I wanted, not 80% of it, like the other two mentioned products. This was critical.

- It has a nice vBulletin support forum (which I like). Wishlist - as far as I am aware - only has a paid forum. Yes, it does include training videos etc. but I just wanted somewhere where I can read other peoples issues and post my own, without having to pay for the privilege.

- The owner of DAP is very responsive to members suggestions, so the product grows in the direction people want - and rapidly as far as I can figure.

It took a long time to find out which route to go, because sometimes the sales pages for each product are rather vague and opaque. What I liked about the DAP site was that it gave plenty of specific information about what it could do. I liked that.

To my mind, DAP has the advantages of both Wishlist and aMember and none of the drawbacks. They have taken the best features of both products and eliminated the worst aspects. Since both those products have a fine pedigree, it suggests to me that Digital Acess Pass has the best combination of features and support currently available.

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madhatseo

15 years ago

1. Sorry to hear you jumped the gun on amember. The new version is miles ahead of the old and is extremely flexible. None of these solutions are bad that I've read and people are happy with DAP.

2. Azmanar's posts are excellent and dead on accurate. While I like what I'm reading about DAP, I ended up going with S2member for one main reason - S2M is not encoded. While I am impressed by the DAP support level, I've been burned badly by encoded scripts for registration at times when something doesn't work properly and I need support since there are some things I just can't see. Call it my own insecurity and it may not bother anyone else nor ever present a problem.

I think that S2M has the best price point of all, including its flexible licensing. I'm not sure what DAP does more than S2M that I'd really need but it would be interesting to see comparisons done independently of all of these scripts. I know that S2M does not provide many affiliate options out of the box and is made to buy separate plugins which, for many, can be an add-on. Depends upon what you need and price point. Excellent thread.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by slinky

1. Sorry to hear you jumped the gun on amember. The new version is miles ahead of the old and is extremely flexible. None of these solutions are bad that I've read and people are happy with DAP.

2. Azmanar's posts are excellent and dead on accurate. While I like what I'm reading about DAP, I ended up going with S2member for one main reason - S2M is not encoded. While I am impressed by the DAP support level, I've been burned badly by encoded scripts for registration at times when something doesn't work properly and I need support since there are some things I just can't see. Call it my own insecurity and it may not bother anyone else nor ever present a problem.

I think that S2M has the best price point of all, including its flexible licensing. I'm not sure what DAP does more than S2M that I'd really need but it would be interesting to see comparisons done independently of all of these scripts. I know that S2M does not provide many affiliate options out of the box and is made to buy separate plugins which, for many, can be an add-on. Depends upon what you need and price point. Excellent thread.

I just visited their website. I can't find any major announcements or improvements over version 3. I only see a lot of bug fixes and plugin fixes. Looks like V4 was a way to charge an "upgrade" fee to V3 users.

It still relies on plugins to integrate with WordPress, VBulletin and 3rd party systems. Last time I worked with Amember, those plugins were a pain to install and configure correctly. Also, Amember still hasn't integrated One Time Offers or Upsells. That should be enough for any sensible marketer to pass them by.

I've been the tech for Amember setups in the past. I'll never use them again. It's way too technical to setup for the average marketer.

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madhatseo

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jesus Perez

I just visited their website. I can't find any major announcements or improvements over version 3. I only see a lot of bug fixes and plugin fixes. Looks like V4 was a way to charge an "upgrade" fee to V3 users.

Did you download the product demo and actually look at the difference. Anyone with eyes can see that V4 represents a total rewrite and a monumental step forward in the product. I'm not associated with them at all.

It still relies on plugins to integrate with WordPress, VBulletin and 3rd party systems. Last time I worked with Amember, those plugins were a pain to install and configure correctly. Also, Amember still hasn't integrated One Time Offers or Upsells. That should be enough for any sensible marketer to pass them by.

They were a pain to configure although worked well once configured. Now it's practically seamless. All you need to do is select the path to your config (e.g. vbulletin forum config as /includes/config.php) and it's all done for you. They spent a great deal of time changing this and the back end and new forms users see is extremely slick. To me it sounds like you've unfortunately just glanced at a product page and didn't take a good look.

I've been the tech for Amember setups in the past. I'll never use them again. It's way too technical to setup for the average marketer.

You're still in the past. Honestly, I know exactly what you're talking about and hated it. Much has changed. They do great work but just aren't manic about marketing their product. It's different than other products here but it also does a number of things the others don't do. I find that the products listed here are sometimes different in ways that make them useful for one task versus another, e.g. amember is very good at synchronizing several different scripts. DAP seems better suited for limited integration but excellent content control and affiliate marketing. And if you're looking at Alexa for numbers, it's probably the last place I'd look to measure the quality and feature set of the product.

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Jesus Perez

15 years ago

Originally Posted by slinky

Did you download the product demo and actually look at the difference. Anyone with eyes can see that V4 represents a total rewrite and a monumental step forward in the product. I'm not associated with them at all.

"Anyone with eyes?" You're really going to direct that condescending tone towards me?

Just for you, I activated and tested with the demo for V4. It's the same convoluted software I used a year ago except it's been polished up by their designers to look significantly better. I don't see any major feature upgrades or differences from V3 except for design and aesthetics. Can you name any?

Originally Posted by slinky

They were a pain to configure although worked well once configured. Now it's practically seamless. All you need to do is select the path to your config (e.g. vbulletin forum config as /includes/config.php) and it's all done for you. They spent a great deal of time changing this and the back end and new forms users see is extremely slick. To me it sounds like you've unfortunately just glanced at a product page and didn't take a good look.

You're giving half truths. The plugin setup is still as confusing as ever. You only revealed the first step of plugin activation. Here's the instructions for integrating WordPress copy/pasted directly from their demo site:

Originally Posted by Amember Demo Site

Wordpress plugin readme
1. Specify full path to folder where you have wordpress script installed. (You can use "browse" to select it)
2. Check database settings and click "Continue..." button
3. Check all configuration settings, set Default level and Default user level if necessary. Click "Save" button. Do not change any settings if you are not sure.
4. Go to aMember CP -> Products -> Protect Content -> Integrations and setup protection.

Optionally you can install aMember plugin into wordpress in order to protect content in wordpress itself:
1. Upload plugin files from /amember/application/default/plugins/protect/wordpress/upload_to_wordpress folder into your /wordpress folder (keep folders structure)
2. Enable amember4 plugin from your Wordpress Admin -> Plugins
3. In Wordpress Admin -> aMember -> Settings select folder where you have aMember installed.

And after activating the plugin, you still need to configure product protection (step 4 above). That's always been the hard part. Since you can't properly test WP integration on their demo site, you're basically purchasing their solution blind. And btw, that's where all the problems come up for us.

But besides that...here's food for thought:

Will the plugin properly upgrade/downgrade membership levels in WP upon payment?
The script still relies on cron jobs to process 3rd party actions. What happens to Hostgator customers that can only process cron jobs every 15 minutes per their policy? Will your customer have to wait 15 minutes to access their subscription in WP or VB? The answer is "Yes".
How will it handle membership cancellations and failed credit card payments in WP?
What about multiple membership levels? How can a user have access to 2 levels in WordPress since you can't assign 2 roles in WP?

All these answers are a mystery until you're spent $219 ($179 + $40 plugin) and 1 week of testing. There isn't a comprehensive answer anywhere on their salespage.

And they run well, up until WP or VB decides to upgrade. That's what kept happening to us. WP changed...the plugin didn't. It took several weeks before the plugin was updated. Once we upgraded...things broke, member were upset. Oh geez...it's all coming back now.

As for the forms, they are slick. So is the backend and the login forms. But what I need, are upsells, cross-sells and one time offers. I don't need "slick" because it won't boost sales by 20-40%.

Originally Posted by slinky

You're still in the past. Honestly, I know exactly what you're talking about and hated it. Much has changed. They do great work but just aren't manic about marketing their product. It's different than other products here but it also does a number of things the others don't do. I find that the products listed here are sometimes different in ways that make them useful for one task versus another, e.g. amember is very good at synchronizing several different scripts. DAP seems better suited for limited integration but excellent content control and affiliate marketing.

I'm not in the past anymore. Now I've reviewed the demo and it's still light years behind the current solutions. Their lack of upsells alone should make it a deal breaker for any marketer.

The only thing Amember excels at is protecting HTML sites within folders. I'll give them 5 stars for that...and that alone.

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And if you're looking at Alexa for numbers, it's probably the last place I'd look to measure the quality and feature set of the product.

No. You. Didn't.
What does Alexa ranking have to do with quality or feature set?
Alexa has been publishing incorrect traffic data since 2005 and 2008.
Be wary of their website stats. They're traffic stats are based on people that have installed the Alexa toolbar.

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Amber Jalink 15 years ago

Well, I followed some of the advice and refunded wishlist for DAP.

Am I happy?

Not really.

DAP was much easier to set up this time than it was several years ago, cookie issues were resolved etc., however there were a few minor issues, and from a support side - the response was pretty good. So they get an A for that.

From the aspect of DAP working PROPERLY with JVZoo.... Not entirely.

YES it did take (most) people back to the registration properly as it was supposed to.

NO It did NOT activate anyone - I had to manually mark them as paid for them to get access they paid for. (Thankfully I was online watching at the time).

Very quickly, I had a well known big marketer send me a private email telling me to ditch DAP and just do a direct download on JVZoo so that people didn't get mad in case I chose to go to sleep for the night.

When I contacted the support desk about this, the reply I got was to "pay myself" to test it. Unfortunately Paypal doesn't LET you pay yourself, so I'm not sure what she was thinking there. And obviously by this point, I couldn't put it back to the sandbox, because it was live. (And yes, all instructions were followed to a "T")

So, needless to say, it's now sitting almost useless on my site.

Feels like a waste of nearly 2 days of set up (would have been faster, but had to let support sleep sometime), so waiting for replies, then finding other issues, took that long... and a waste of $150.

I already own affiliate/membership software that I could have used to do the same thing had I known I had to still manually approve. What was the point??

Another lesson learned. Maybe it works for some, but I'm not impressed.

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cgicentral

13 years ago

I am sorry, just mentioned that topic and message. I believe that is wrong topic to discuss it, but I cannot keep incorrect facts unanswered. Sorry Ravi and Wishlist authors!

Originally Posted by Jesus Perez

But besides that...here's food for thought:[*]Will the plugin properly upgrade/downgrade membership levels in WP upon payment

Yes, it will.

[*]The script still relies on cron jobs to process 3rd party actions. What happens to Hostgator customers that can only process cron jobs every 15 minutes per their policy? Will your customer have to wait 15 minutes to access their subscription in WP or VB? The answer is "Yes".

The answer is No. aMember requires external cron only to credit card rebilling. There has never been 15 minutes delay to access subscription in WP! Delay might be related with paysystem problems in your case (late IPN sending), but it has never been part of aMember design.
And more, for those who has problems setting up cron jobs, we allow to set cron jobs on our website, from member area. It is free.

[*]How will it handle membership cancellations and failed credit card payments in WP?

As always, it will reset member access level to configured when PAID PERIOD EXPIRES.

[*]What about multiple membership levels? How can a user have access to 2 levels in WordPress since you can't assign 2 roles in WP?

Latest version of aMember WP plugin allows you to protect WP posts based on aMember product subscription (and you can include drip content conditions). WP levels are not more necessary for protecting content.

All these answers are a mystery until you're spent $219 ($179 + $40 plugin) and 1 week of testing. There isn't a comprehensive answer anywhere on their salespage.

Wrong again. Wordpress plugin is free, so it is only $179 (and you may get 15% discount today here on Warriorforum). There are no answers for this on salespage because there are no such problems.

And they run well, up until WP or VB decides to upgrade. That's what kept happening to us. WP changed...the plugin didn't. It took several weeks before the plugin was updated. Once we upgraded...things broke, member were upset. Oh geez...it's all coming back now.

We had no upgrade problems with v4 WP plugin at all. (yet?)

As for the forms, they are slick. So is the backend and the login forms. But what I need, are upsells, cross-sells and one time offers. I don't need "slick" because it won't boost sales by 20-40%.

One-time-offer plugin is available for free. It allows to setup all of this: upsells, cross-sells and one time offers.

I understand you has been tired with aMember v3. I do not love it anymore too

However, it is wrong to put your past impressions to new software which you never tried to use!

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Jesus Perez

13 years ago

Originally Posted by cgicentral

I am sorry, just mentioned that topic and message. I believe that is wrong topic to discuss it, but I cannot keep incorrect facts unanswered. Sorry Ravi and Wishlist authors!

Yes, it will.

The answer is No. aMember requires external cron only to credit card rebilling. There has never been 15 minutes delay to access subscription in WP! Delay might be related with paysystem problems in your case (late IPN sending), but it has never been part of aMember design.
And more, for those who has problems setting up cron jobs, we allow to set cron jobs on our website, from member area. It is free.

As always, it will reset member access level to configured when PAID PERIOD EXPIRES.

Latest version of aMember WP plugin allows you to protect WP posts based on aMember product subscription (and you can include drip content conditions). WP levels are not more necessary for protecting content.

Wrong again. Wordpress plugin is free, so it is only $179 (and you may get 15% discount today here on Warriorforum). There are no answers for this on salespage because there are no such problems.

We had no upgrade problems with v4 WP plugin at all. (yet?)

One-time-offer plugin is available for free. It allows to setup all of this: upsells, cross-sells and one time offers.

I understand you has been tired with aMember v3. I do not love it anymore too

However, it is wrong to put your past impressions to new software which you never tried to use!

Thanks for the answers and followup. For the record, my post was made in January 2012 and there was definitely a $40 charge for the WordPress plugin before you made them free.

I've removed myself from these techie discussions since vendors/loyal customers always get pissed and very little gets accomplished. If anyone is curious, I use Nanacast for everything now. Time to market is insanely fast.

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ravijayagopal

15 years ago

Amber,

There is really only one single field that connects DAP & JVZoo. I just read your support ticket, and I see that we did try to help and ask you to do a test purchase, and your reply was "I'm not sure how to do a "test" purchase with JVZoo... ?" And then we told you to test the process by purchasing your own product as if a customer were buying it. And then we never heard back from you after that.

>>When I contacted the support desk about this, the reply I got was to "pay myself" to test it. Unfortunately Paypal doesn't LET you pay yourself, so I'm not sure what she was thinking there.<<
If you weren't sure what "she" (who is Veena Prashanth, Co-Founder & Co-Developer of DAP who actually wrote the integration code for JVZoo among a lot of other things) was thinking, you could've simply asked, and we would've told you how :-). Too bad you "assumed" that we didn't know what we were talking about.

It's unfortunate that you don't know of anyone (friend/relative/subscriber/warrior) who has a Paypal account who could've helped you by making a test purchase themselves, and then you could've promptly refunded their payment. Also, Paypal allows you to create up to 2 accounts: one personal and one business/premier, which you're probably not aware of - you could've used one account to pay the other. Either way, if you had just asked us about how to do a test purchase, we would've helped you.

It is unfortunate that you launched the product without even testing once whether you have set up the DAP/JVZoo integration correctly.

Believe it or not, DAP works extremely well with JVZoo - many Warriors are using it just fine. Obviously, whether it was an issue with the IPN URL you entered into JVZoo, or maybe even something else, bottomline is that JVZoo wasn't setup correctly to notify DAP of the sale, which means DAP couldn't have known about the sale.

So instead of working with us where we would've gladly helped you resolve the problem, it's unfortunate that you would rather talk trash about us here, even dragging in some un-related "big marketer" :-). Well, whatever makes you happy :-)

You don't have to consider your DAP purchase a waste - we will gladly give you a refund - even if it's beyond the refund period. Just confirm. I'm not processing an automatic refund based on your "kind" words here, only because it will automatically shut down your DAP Admin.

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Amber Jalink

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ravijayagopal

Amber,

There is really only one single field that connects DAP & JVZoo. I just read your support ticket, and I see that we did try to help and ask you to do a test purchase, and your reply was "I'm not sure how to do a "test" purchase with JVZoo... ?" And then we told you to test the process by purchasing your own product as if a customer were buying it. And then we never heard back from you after that.

>>When I contacted the support desk about this, the reply I got was to "pay myself" to test it. Unfortunately Paypal doesn't LET you pay yourself, so I'm not sure what she was thinking there.<<
If you weren't sure what "she" (who is Veena Prashanth, Co-Founder & Co-Developer of DAP who actually wrote the integration code for JVZoo among a lot of other things) was thinking, you could've simply asked, and we would've told you how :-). Too bad you "assumed" that we didn't know what we were talking about.

It's unfortunate that you don't know of anyone (friend/relative/subscriber/warrior) who has a Paypal account who could've helped you by making a test purchase themselves, and then you could've promptly refunded their payment. Also, Paypal allows you to create up to 2 accounts: one personal and one business/premier, which you're probably not aware of - you could've used one account to pay the other. Either way, if you had just asked us about how to do a test purchase, we would've helped you.

It is unfortunate that you launched the product without even testing once whether you have set up the DAP/JVZoo integration correctly.

Believe it or not, DAP works extremely well with JVZoo - many Warriors are using it just fine. Obviously, whether it was an issue with the IPN URL you entered into JVZoo, or maybe even something else, bottomline is that JVZoo wasn't setup correctly to notify DAP of the sale, which means DAP couldn't have known about the sale.

So instead of working with us where we would've gladly helped you resolve the problem, it's unfortunate that you would rather talk trash about us here, even dragging in some un-related "big marketer" :-). Well, whatever makes you happy :-)

You don't have to consider your DAP purchase a waste - we will gladly give you a refund - even if it's beyond the refund period. Just confirm. I'm not processing an automatic refund based on your "kind" words here, only because it will automatically shut down your DAP Admin.

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Wow - I didn't "trash" DAP - I gave an honest review from my experience. That IS what we're allowed to do, isn't it?

I did NOT say I was asking for a refund, because I DO have it running for those who I approved.

I can see that it could be useful for its OWN affiliate program, (one of the things that did lean me to it over wishlist) - should I choose to do that in future. Another reason why I did not refund. Obviously being its own program, there would be no integration issues, so I didn't worry about that.

However yes I did have issues, Yes the IPN is set up exactly as instructed, and YES people did get access (I did say that above) but they did not get PAID access. And YES I did test BEFORE I ran it, had a friend test it, and it seemed to work fine then, he got access (free.... which I obviously didn't realize at the time, obviously he thought it was as it was supposed to be.)

I didn't bother replying to the support ticket because by that point I'd already flipped to the download being at JVZoo. (Note though, I didn't see a response come through my email, so I thought there were no further responses, and didn't bother to log in to check). Obviously email glitch, neither of our faults.

Please don't attack people for giving an honest review of THEIR experience which I do have the right to do.

Trust me, I'm not new here. And that big marketer had previously mentioned on this board that he liked dap - so obviously something was up that he sent me that email to change how my delivery was.

For the purpose of this WSO - yes, I do feel like it was a waste because I could have launched 2 days earlier - but I'm not refunding. If it's on my site - I don't do that. If I deleted it, I would have. But customers have access, so obviously it's there for use.

I'm not a techno wizard, so if it required additional programming tweaks, then obviously that's something I wasn't aware of. I understood it was sold to be a working thing right out of the box, and for the most part it was. I did agree on that. And I'm not an idiot, I can get around a lot of scripts quite well.

But I do have the right to state if I'm not pleased/impressed. I didn't say it didn't have merit - I said *I* wasn't impressed.

I've used at least 2 dozen affiliate scripts/software since 1997... I am not a newbie by any means, so please don't imply that I am.

I'm simply stating *My* experience/opinion, not bashing.

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Amber Jalink 15 years ago

Just an added note Ravi.... that you need to remember - and I say this with complete kindness

Some people love DAP.

Some people don't.

Some people love Wishlist.

Some people hate it.

Not everyone is going to love your program, I'm sorry. I would like to think they would - but it's just a fact, we can't please everyone all the time.
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Justin Wheeler

15 years ago

If you want Wordpress it is my view that DAP is the best.

If you don't want Wordpress Steve Odette's Rapid Residual Pro is pretty awesome.

I would like to be able to use DAP with Multisite and I am not sure if I can, whch is how I found this thread. However I have been using DAP since I started releasing products and am very pleased with it.

My only two slight reservations with it are that I think I have to use paypal email addresses via IPN and would really like to be able to get people to choose their own user name and passwords when they sign up, and that it doesn't support WP multisite and a lot of my sites are all going that way now.

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nmoppa01

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Justin Wheeler

If you want Wordpress it is my view that DAP is the best.

If you don't want Wordpress Steve Odette's Rapid Residual Pro is pretty awesome.

I would like to be able to use DAP with Multisite and I am not sure if I can, whch is how I found this thread. However I have been using DAP since I started releasing products and am very pleased with it.

My only two slight reservations with it are that I think I have to use paypal email addresses via IPN and would really like to be able to get people to choose their own user name and passwords when they sign up, and that it doesn't support WP multisite and a lot of my sites are all going that way now.

Fully agree with this. Rapid Residual Pro (RRP) is pretty awesome, it has it's own build in Blog to compensate for Wordpress. If you want more than one membership site RRP can be pretty expensive because they only sell (standard) 1 site licenses. Some people with many membership sites use several systems, like RRP and WP+DAP or WP + Wishlist. In the WP market most people also use optimizepress as theme or maybe the recently introduced theme SalesPressPro. I find it rather difficult to choose between DAP versus Wishlist, although looking at all the features included probably DAP is the better choice. The fact you can test DAP and Wishlist (both have a refund option) does not really make the choice easier in my opinion, since testing a membershipsite takes (a lot of) time. The best is if you look at and compare the features you get from both, how many additional plugins you would need to suit your specs for the membershipsite and based on that make a choice.

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ravijayagopal

14 years ago

Hi Charles,

You make a great point.

And the thing is, it's not just "how many extra plugins do I need", it's also "how many other 3rd-party services (and software) do I need to sign up for, and how much will each of those additional services and third-party software cost me in the short-term as well as the long-term".

It's not just the core "membership software" you're looking at. Additional features that you to consider, are, the costs of...

* A Shopping cart with Upsells/Coupons/Dime-sales capabilities
* Affiliate Management Software
* Email Autoresponders & Broadcasting
* Content dripping and the ability to protect regular files

And it's not only the obvious cost of buying the extra plugins, but also the cost of creating a "mash-up nightmare" by patching together a bunch of third-party plugins, and then having to go to multiple vendors for support, with each one pointing a finger at the other.

So don't just look at the price published on the sales page of a vendor - be sure to consider all of those hidden costs as well.

Also, note that there's a big difference between using a "proprietary CMS" and getting your content locked into it, versus using the amazing, ubiquitous "WordPress". It would certainly prove to be costly in the long run, not to forget all of the massive functionality and community support you will be losing, if you choose a membership plugin that does NOT work with WordPress.

Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by nmoppa01

The best is if you look at and compare the features you get from both, how many additional plugins you would need to suit your specs for the membershipsite and based on that make a choice.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by ravijayagopal

Hi Charles,

And the thing is, it's not just "how many extra plugins do I need", it's also "how many other 3rd-party services (and software) do I need to sign up for, and how much will each of those additional services and third-party software cost me in the short-term as well as the long-term".

It's not just the core "membership software" you're looking at. Additional features that you to consider, are, the costs of...

* A Shopping cart with Upsells/Coupons/Dime-sales capabilities
* Affiliate Management Software
* Email Autoresponders & Broadcasting
* Content dripping and the ability to protect regular files

And it's not only the obvious cost of buying the extra plugins, but also the cost of creating a "mash-up nightmare" by patching together a bunch of third-party plugins, and then having to go to multiple vendors for support, with each one pointing a finger at the other.

- Ravi Jayagopal

Very straight to the point and on the DAP site you get a very nice overview of what you get and what you don't have to buy/spend on additional features/plugins. Ít can be a nightmare indeed to need to patch things together. What I also consider important is to host the membership site yourself and don't have to depend on third party hosting. The only thing weird on DAP Site is about being able to setup and use upsells using paypal business account, looks like it is an additional plugin option but if you want to find out how much that would cost, it seems the only way you can get that is by buying the "Done For You" option.

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ravijayagopal

14 years ago

Hi Charles,

We've presently removed the Paypal Upsell-Tree plugin from our store as we're making updates to that plugin. That's why you can't buy it separately right now.

An updated version should be out in 6-8 weeks. FYI.

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Originally Posted by nmoppa01

The only thing weird on DAP Site is about being able to setup and use upsells using paypal business account, looks like it is an additional plugin option but if you want to find out how much that would cost, it seems the only way you can get that is by buying the "Done For You" option.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by ravijayagopal

Hi Charles,

We've presently removed the Paypal Upsell-Tree plugin from our store as we're making updates to that plugin. That's why you can't buy it separately right now.

An updated version should be out in 6-8 weeks. FYI.

- Ravi Jayagopal

Thanks for the info, maybe you should add a note about that on the website.

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leaddog

15 years ago

As I research these membership scripts I find kinda what I expected. Not one of these scripts are perfect for everyone. Some people use them differently than other people.

If you were to go create a new membership plugin at this time it would have to do most everything the older scripts did plus fill some of the voids of the older scripts to avoid being a "me too" script.

It seems that DAP may have the edge for me. Part of how I came to that conclusion was to look at the satisfied marketers that are using it much the same way I want to. If they are happy I will probably be happy.

Most of you it seems have tried several membership scripts and at least in this thread seem to have zeroed in on DAP.

I guess that will be my first one (& hopefully last one) to try.

Thanks to all for a very valuable thread.

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JeremiahSay

14 years ago

Clearly DAP is the winner!

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crs30

14 years ago

Ravi, this thread has sold me on DAP. One question though. Eventually, I plan on using InfusionSoft for autoresponder/affiliates/direct mail and physical product distributions/payment. Are you looking at integrating with InfusionSoft any time in the near future?

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14 years ago

Hi crs30,

DAP already integrates (to some extent) with Infusionsoft.

Please see this post:
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Ravi, this thread has sold me on DAP. One question though. Eventually, I plan on using InfusionSoft for autoresponder/affiliates/direct mail and physical product distributions/payment. Are you looking at integrating with InfusionSoft any time in the near future?

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14 years ago

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Osahon Urubusi

14 years ago

If DAP had organised step by step workflow videos for setting up your membership site, that would probably make them a winner.
Yes, there will be a defensive response I know, but the truth is when you are in the members area, it takes alot of navigating to find simple stuff you need to work with.

Has anyone tried buying the Upsell Tree Plugin from the DAP site? Even when you click the buy button, you're taken to the main DAP order page where the only mention of it is as part of the MSIAB.

Great piece of software no doubt, but the learning curve could be shortened.

Hmmm, maybe I'll master all the nuances and issues of setting this up and make a product out of that? Hmmm. Hey, you better not steal my idea. I'll be watching

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GerryMedia 14 years ago

I like DAP's features but I already have Wishlist. I would not hesitate to use DAP in the future.
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ravijayagopal

14 years ago

Hi Salathiel,

We wanted to make the the Paypal Upsell-Tree plugin more customizable, as many had been asking for it.

And since we are thick in the middle of developing for the next release of DAP, we had initially changed the sales "tab" on our buy page for that plugin, to say that we're currently not selling it. The plan was to bring it back after we updated it.

And then we got a WHOLE bunch of new support requests and emails asking us why we weren't selling it, when the new version was coming out etc :-)

So, to temporarily avoid support overhead, it was easier for us to just remove that tab completely, so the number of requests asking about it went way down.

But it led to a different issue, because now folks were wondering how to buy the plugin. So we're temporarily (and briefly) stuck in a no-win situation :-)

Anyway, we got so many requests, that we eventually decided to just buckle down and update the plugin asap - it will soon be available for purchase along with the next release of DAP.

We have also planned a major consolidation of the current documentation once this next release comes out, so appreciate your feedback.

Cheers!

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Has anyone tried buying the Upsell Tree Plugin from the DAP site? Even when you click the buy button, you're taken to the main DAP order page where the only mention of it is as part of the MSIAB.
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ronr

14 years ago

I agree with you.

Having recently set up my first DAP site it would have been easier and quicker if the work flow was more step by step especially if you are setting up a true membership site with dripped content. Not just using it to protect products to be downloaded.

However the support has been good and response with many tickets answered the same day or at the most the next day which has helped a lot.

I did find some important features lacking that a robust membership site script should have but am happy to hear that many of them are in the update that I understand is coming soon.

Ron

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If DAP had organised step by step workflow videos for setting up your membership site, that would probably make them a winner.
Yes, there will be a defensive response I know, but the truth is when you are in the members area, it takes alot of navigating to find simple stuff you need to work with.

Has anyone tried buying the Upsell Tree Plugin from the DAP site? Even when you click the buy button, you're taken to the main DAP order page where the only mention of it is as part of the MSIAB.

Great piece of software no doubt, but the learning curve could be shortened.

Hmmm, maybe I'll master all the nuances and issues of setting this up and make a product out of that? Hmmm. Hey, you better not steal my idea. I'll be watching

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AzlanR2

14 years ago

I have both DAP and Wish List. Both of them are good, but for newcomers like me, Wish List is much easier to use. Once activated, the plugin will create a wizard for you to ease configuration process. Wish List also can easily be integrated with Clickbank.

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roblawrence 14 years ago

I never ended-up setting up the membership website. But when I looked again recently, I noticed that Wishlist hasn't updated in over a year. Seems like they got lazy and now all their focus is on their Wishlist Insider membership community. Also, their support forums had a lot of people complaining about bugs, unanswered tickets, features missing, etc. Wonder what's going on over there? Anyone know?
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Ndougan

14 years ago

Fascinating thread.

I am reading this due to the fact that with my meagre skills I still have a malfunctioning website.

All was going well. Nice Optimizepress site etc, but I needed to move onto the membership aspect. Dap was highly recommended so I went with this option. The wheels fell off at this point!

I have had the absolute pleasure of Ravi assisting me to implement dap on two occasions he was so polite even in the face of me ruining his earlier work, however a month on I feel like a leper, I am shut out by the incomprehensibility of the system.

My answer was to get some outside help. I put up requests on Elance for experts on dap, 1 site automation, aweber and optimise press.

This was a very stupid thing to do, as the contractors just completely ruined the implementation of all three.

However I have recovered to the point of Ravis fine work now, so merely have a dis functioning site rather than a ruined one.

I would dearly love to have a simple overview of the way dap and optimise press fit together. I get glimpses of this by watching the videos on both support sites, but they are fleeting glimpses.

I can not overstate how wonderful the dap support is, even though the basic system is still not working for me.

i am seeking advice on the next step. What is a practical next step?

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Barrington Paige 14 years ago

Does DAP work with RAP?
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  Any specific reason you want DAP and RAP at the same time? Isn't RAP a membership plugin as well? If yes, then it wouldn't make sense to use two membership plugins at the same time.
  
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halest1

14 years ago

Any DAP users purchase Membership Site in a Box? I am pretty sold on DAP for my membership site from the majority of the reviews and recommendations. I know enough about WP to be dangerous. But it is my experience that getting started and finishing a site is almost impossible for me. And as with Optimize Press the more options I have the more I become indecisive. I am concerned that it may be the same with DAP if I go with a basic Site License. My other option is to have a VA Complete the site and integrate DAP. Also the 7 free plugins Ravi offers with MSIAB interests me. Any feedback would be much appreciated.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by halest1

Any DAP users purchase Membership Site in a Box? I am pretty sold on DAP for my membership site from the majority of the reviews and recommendations. I know enough about WP to be dangerous. But it is my experience that getting started and finishing a site is almost impossible for me. And as with Optimize Press the more options I have the more I become indecisive. I am concerned that it may be the same with DAP if I go with a basic Site License. My other option is to have a VA Complete the site and integrate DAP. Also the 7 free plugins Ravi offers with MSIAB interests me. Any feedback would be much appreciated.

I am about to purchase MSIAB. I will be happy to provide honest accurate feedback on the MSIAB products and services. Bookmark this post to follow my personal progress and experience...

Ralph.

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seanster 13 years ago

Hello, is anyone selling a copy of DAP, if its transferrable I'd like to get the single license. I can afford lower end products, just not this one yet.

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