Luke´s Offline Arbitrage System

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So I have been spammed with this new fantastic thing. Would find it interesting if someone could review it.

First I was planning to test it out, even if I constantly was thinking "Who the **** is this Luke?!", but he lost me when he started speaking to me like I was 2 years old.
"Come on big guy! Push the big orange button! I know you can do it, push THE BIG ORANGE BUTTON! PUSH IT! Come on... PUSH IT!"

So I do not feel like buying at the moment but would appreciate a review anyway
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Buckley
    Originally Posted by Andre Hegge View Post

    he started speaking to me like I was 2 years old.
    "Come on big guy! Push the big orange button! I know you can do it, push THE BIG ORANGE BUTTON! PUSH IT! Come on... PUSH IT!"
    Thats a new guru affiliate physiologic tactic jks

    Could you post a link to the sales page havent been mailed about this one actually. Ive been mailed about absyndicate and Autocashhijack 2 or 3 times since friday
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  • Profile picture of the author LIndaB
    There's actually a big glaring mistake in his numbers. He talks about mailing postcards at a cost of $3 apiece and that you can expect to get 1 out of 10 to opt in. So that would cost you $30 for the lead. Then he goes on later to say that you can sell that lead back to a broker for $3, and therefore you have free traffic because you only paid $3 for the lead and sold it for $3. But you actually spent $30 to produce that lead. So after you sell it, your cost is still $27 per lead. That's not 100% free traffic at all. In fact, that's probably a higher cost than pay per click, depending on the niche. So keep that in mind if you decide to buy.

    Another consideration is that most mailing list brokers expect you to buy large quantities. They won't sell you 100 leads. But expect you to buy 5,000 or more at a time. So you're going to have to make quite an investment upfront. That doesn't mean you won't make money. But I suspect a lot of people that buy this will just hear the "free" traffic bit and not realize how much they'll need to invest to make it work.
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    • Profile picture of the author silverbax
      I'm not going to buy this, but I wanted to point out that does not cost $3 to mail out a postcard, nor does it say that in the video. It cost $3 to acquire a lead.

      And you don't need a $100 course to do this. You do need some working capital, though, and you need to be able to do big enough numbers to sell to a list broker.
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    • Profile picture of the author mkmossop
      Originally Posted by LIndaB View Post

      There's actually a big glaring mistake in his numbers. He talks about mailing postcards at a cost of $3 apiece and that you can expect to get 1 out of 10 to opt in.
      I think he said $0.3 a postcard, but I'm not 100% sure.

      Anyway, the system is definitely different than most stuff I've heard of, but I don't have the money for it now.
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      • Profile picture of the author LIndaB
        Originally Posted by mkmossop View Post

        I think he said $0.3 a postcard, but I'm not 100% sure.

        Anyway, the system is definitely different than most stuff I've heard of, but I don't have the money for it now.
        It costs $.28 to mail a postcard, but you're forgetting the cost of the lead plus the cost of the printing. Plus, everyone who gets the postcard isn't going to opt in. So you have to consider the total cost of your mailing (printing plus postage plus leads), then divide it by the number of actual opt-ins. Again, selling those opt-ins back to a lead broker isn't going to recoup all your costs as he indicates in the video.
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        • Profile picture of the author BrandonLee
          In my experience the total, all in cost, of a post card is between 40 and 70 cents depending upon the market, so I don't think he's too far off in his number.



          Originally Posted by LIndaB View Post

          It costs $.28 to mail a postcard, but you're forgetting the cost of the lead plus the cost of the printing. Plus, everyone who gets the postcard isn't going to opt in. So you have to consider the total cost of your mailing (printing plus postage plus leads), then divide it by the number of actual opt-ins. Again, selling those opt-ins back to a lead broker isn't going to recoup all your costs as he indicates in the video.
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        • Profile picture of the author wiley1
          Originally Posted by LIndaB View Post

          It costs $.28 to mail a postcard, but you're forgetting the cost of the lead plus the cost of the printing. Plus, everyone who gets the postcard isn't going to opt in. So you have to consider the total cost of your mailing (printing plus postage plus leads), then divide it by the number of actual opt-ins. Again, selling those opt-ins back to a lead broker isn't going to recoup all your costs as he indicates in the video.
          Thanks for the analysis. Does Ryan think that we're all in kindergarten?

          Back to the real stuff like how can I really make money?

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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      Originally Posted by LIndaB View Post

      There's actually a big glaring mistake in his numbers. He talks about mailing postcards at a cost of $3 apiece and that you can expect to get 1 out of 10 to opt in. So that would cost you $30 for the lead. Then he goes on later to say that you can sell that lead back to a broker for $3, and therefore you have free traffic because you only paid $3 for the lead and sold it for $3. But you actually spent $30 to produce that lead. So after you sell it, your cost is still $27 per lead. That's not 100% free traffic at all. In fact, that's probably a higher cost than pay per click, depending on the niche. So keep that in mind if you decide to buy.

      Another consideration is that most mailing list brokers expect you to buy large quantities. They won't sell you 100 leads. But expect you to buy 5,000 or more at a time. So you're going to have to make quite an investment upfront. That doesn't mean you won't make money. But I suspect a lot of people that buy this will just hear the "free" traffic bit and not realize how much they'll need to invest to make it work.
      You are right on both counts. Funny how the facts just seem to vanish.
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  • Profile picture of the author vstar00
    yeah he did say $0.3 a post card, which is probably possibly on mass volumes. But in my experience its more in the $0.65-0.8 range
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    • Profile picture of the author tmedocianis
      Hasn't this product already been reviewed under it's old name "Postcard Profits?"
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
    Maybe you should consider that this isn't Luke's course, but someone else's... (hint: it's not by a guy named Luke)
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by Gary_The_Ace View Post

      Maybe you should consider that this isn't Luke's course, but someone else's... (hint: it's not by a guy named Luke)
      No, it's by a guy named Ryan, who is selling a course made by a guy named Luke, with audios made by a guy named Luke and sold previously by Luke in a course called Postcard Profits.

      Not that there's anything wrong with that, but let's not pretend it's something that it isn't.
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      • Profile picture of the author rusty1027
        Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

        No, it's by a guy named Ryan, who is selling a course made by a guy named Luke, with audios made by a guy named Luke and sold previously by Luke in a course called Postcard Profits.

        Not that there's anything wrong with that, but let's not pretend it's something that it isn't.
        This is exactly correct! A review has been started here...
        Offline Arbitrage Review - Ryan Deiss & Luke Jaten - Online Profits

        You will see that a lot of what is offered in the video IS NOT in the product you get. You get Postcard Profits. I know because I purchased it. The course appears to provide a lot of good information on the surface, but when you get into it , it does not give you everything you need to really make any money.
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        • Profile picture of the author paul_simister
          Thanks for linking to my review.

          The sales video for Offline Arbitrage has changed several times since I bought it as Ryan Deiss tests different hooks.

          I was a bit confused when the video I saw spoke of six modules and when I got inside, there are ten plus an additional training on self liquidating leads.
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  • Profile picture of the author It Should Be Easy
    Looks like most of us agree that you need to invest big cash on order to make money with this system, since I do not have time with that I´ll just skip it Thanks for the answers though.
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  • Profile picture of the author willster74
    The video claims that it would cost $3.00 to mail 10 postcards (30 Cents for just one), and that this includes printing, postage and the cost of the lead.

    Anyone know if this is realistic as the whole pitch hangs on these numbers being accurate right!?

    Also if you just send the lead to a regular opt in page I'm thinking you won't be able to match up the email address to the full mailing address which I'm guessing you would have to do in order to sell the lead to a lead broker...

    So to do this you would either need to capture this info yourself which will obviously effect the conversion rate. Or you can hope the original lead came with an email address and when they optin they use that same email address so you can cross reference to get the physical address - am I missing something here? What are your thoughts Warriors?

    Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Hi,

      l have tried offline selling in this way and eventhough cheap lists, (300 name, address, etc for $30) are out there on average you would get 3 people going to your offer and subscribing.

      But...l also know that you can rent quality lists, (1000 proven buyers for $300) which would allow you to built a quality list.

      I know that in Aus, that a envelope with stamp attacked is 55 cents, and if you mark it card only it's 35 to 45 cents per.

      Printing would probably make it too expensive, to be viable, but buying a printer and a sheet of sticky labels, that you could print the ad into yourself, would be a cheap way of keeping the costs down.

      But l tend to agree, seems like a good idea that would require too much effort to get off the ground, although outsourcing could make it work.

      I am personally looking into more electronic mass producible options.

      Hope l have helped.

      Shane.
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  • Profile picture of the author wiley1
    Originally Posted by Andre Hegge View Post

    So I have been spammed with this new fantastic thing. Would find it interesting if someone could review it.

    First I was planning to test it out, even if I constantly was thinking "Who the **** is this Luke?!", but he lost me when he started speaking to me like I was 2 years old.
    "Come on big guy! Push the big orange button! I know you can do it, push THE BIG ORANGE BUTTON! PUSH IT! Come on... PUSH IT!"

    So I do not feel like buying at the moment but would appreciate a review anyway
    Thanks everyone for your opinions and comments. It's great to be able to come to the Warrior Forum and get good information before you decide whether or not to part with your money. (I have Ryan's Sales Video running in the background as I write this).

    Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author richfit
    Yea, really who cares how much it cost to mail a post card. The real Question you should be asking is: Do you have a good offer?

    Do you have a great landing page?

    Do you have a lead capture in place?

    Is your bribe good enough?

    Is your follow up system in place? Are you following up via email, text, etc...?

    Then mail and you'll have a winner. It's super cheap and a Proven traffic source.

    You have to test, test, test.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ian Malone
    I also received the same email today had a quick look at the sales video then straight over to the WF as a do with all my emails selling the next best thing since sliced bread lol these systems are never as they seem in the sales pitch lol ill give this one a miss
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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    I have been mailing postcards for 20 years. You don't need a course to teach you how to do this. If you are low on funds you can start slow and scale it up by re-investing your profits.

    There are many cheap lists out there, but I can tell you that it pays to buy the freshest lists. They cost a bit more (in some cases much more), but will usually pay much higher dividends. The purchase of your list will be an upfront hit, but from there on out you can mail as many cards as you can afford at any given time.

    When I first started I simply laid out my post card on an 8.5 x 11 template. I put four cards on each sheet. Go to your neighborhood Staples and have your postcards printed out on heavy card stock. Your cost is the card stock and a two sided copy. While there pick up one of those paper slicer/cutters.

    Slice up your cards and mail 'em out to your list. Of course that is the easy part. You still have to have a product that people want and you must be able to demonstrate to them that they want it with a powerful sales message on a small piece of space. Testing and improving your conversion rate is critical. Nothing new there right?

    Once you start doing enough volume, you can purchase a bulk mail permit which will save you quite a bit on your postage costs. Postcards (and other types of mailings) are a great way to bring traffic to your site. Do you need a course to teach you how to do it? Nah.
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    lol.... dude you haven't been spammed.... cut the bs.

    you signed up to ppl's mailing lists and they are mailing you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shazia Mirza
    i have bought it. It is worth the buy and it is very newbie friendly.

    Unfortunately, this course is just wayy too long for me.

    But that guy whoever he is isn't lying about it being a traffic source bigger than Google:

    Postcards!

    I am not an affiliate whatsoever, but if you have a good budget on you (say atleast $200) to spend and you know what to do with a big amount of traffic, I suggest you invest in this.
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  • Profile picture of the author mkmossop
    I'm doing this course right now.

    I can say that's it's a very informative and comprehensive course which I think has tons of potential.

    However yes it does take some start up money. Basing on what he says to begin testing, about $1600 to start. Odds are if you've done things right, you'll make money (assuming what he says is true), but there are a lot of things that could go wrong.

    Anyway, I'm not sure if I'm going to go through with testing it as $1600 is a lot for me right now. Definitely something for the future though.
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